WEBVTT - Kimberly | Betrayal Weekly

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<v Speaker 1>we start this episode, I want to let you know

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<v Speaker 1>that this episode discusses suicide and its effects. Please take

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<v Speaker 1>care while listening.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just constantly chasing, chasing the next thing. No

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<v Speaker 2>car he bought was fast enough, no house we bought.

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<v Speaker 3>Was big enough.

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<v Speaker 2>The more money and more success that he had that

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<v Speaker 2>almost turned him into this monster.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 1>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 1>change everything. Today we're telling Kimberly's story. She grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in rural Pennsylvania where her parents owned their own hair salon.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have a lot of money, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>determined to show Kimberly the world.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents would save up money and take us to

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<v Speaker 2>New York and go see Phanom of the Opera and

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<v Speaker 2>Glamo's rob So we'd backpack through Europe and we went

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<v Speaker 2>to like every single national park in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly's parents taught her that no dream was too big.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be a teacher. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>a journalist, I wanted to write a book. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be a veterinarian. And I remember my father used

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I don't ever worry about you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to always succeed and always land on your feet,

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<v Speaker 2>because you just have that determination.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody in her family had gone to college, but Kimberly

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<v Speaker 1>decided she wanted to be the first in a small

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<v Speaker 1>liberal arts school for women.

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<v Speaker 2>I was prepared academically, but I was not prepared to

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<v Speaker 2>be moved into this group of very.

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<v Speaker 3>Affluent young women.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them come from boarding schools, and they brought

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<v Speaker 2>their own horses to campus. I would go to classes

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<v Speaker 2>and some of my classmates would be wearing pearls.

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<v Speaker 1>That was our first exposure to the world of wealth

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<v Speaker 1>and connections. Kimberly realized that if she wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>it as far as her classmates, she'd have to make

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<v Speaker 1>her own way. She graduated with an English degree, and

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<v Speaker 1>she got hired at a publishing house in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved my job in publishing. I was always getting

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<v Speaker 2>to read and read all these manuscripts and see everybody's articles.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the nineties. DC was an exciting place for

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly to explore. A few months after she moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the city.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend was throwing a Halloween party and I was

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<v Speaker 2>actually dressed up as Carme and Miranda. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>fruit basket on my head and a parrot.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a guy across the room who kept making

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<v Speaker 1>eye contact with her.

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<v Speaker 2>He was cute, and he came over and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I like your fruit basket, and it was just endearing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite the icebreaker. His name was Tim.

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<v Speaker 3>He was blondes, blue eyes. Just something about him.

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<v Speaker 2>I just was like, Oh, he's really, really cute.

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<v Speaker 1>They started chatting. He'd also just graduated college and moved

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<v Speaker 1>to DC.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an only child from a small rural town

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<v Speaker 2>in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>They had mutual friends. Kimberly's roommate knew Tim.

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<v Speaker 2>My roommate was like, he's a great guy. Everyone knows him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's really wonderful. He asked for my number and I

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<v Speaker 2>gave it to him. He called me shortly after that

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I'd would like to see you again. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you have any interest in going on a date?

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<v Speaker 1>She said yes. He had two tickets to a black

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<v Speaker 1>tie event for the opening of the Russian Embassy.

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<v Speaker 2>The Russian Embassy was just fantastic. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, this is amazing. You know, free drinks and

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<v Speaker 2>free food, and everyone's beautiful and dressed up in gowns

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<v Speaker 2>and textedos. I remember everything being like kind of dark

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<v Speaker 2>that lit up in like Lauder Crystal, and they had

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<v Speaker 2>shots of vodka, like tables and tables of vodka. I

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<v Speaker 2>had this handsome young man in front of me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was really impressed. It was such a far cry

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<v Speaker 2>from where I had come from.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a whirlwind night. She and Tim tried new

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<v Speaker 1>things like caviare and expensive alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>You could tell he was like me.

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<v Speaker 2>He also felt a little out of his comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 2>We fit in, but we didn't, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>was something that really drew.

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<v Speaker 3>Us to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim was in DC to make a name for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and like Kimberly, he'd gotten there on his own merits.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim worked for a senator and he specialized in technology

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<v Speaker 2>and agriculture. He also had to drive the Senator regularly,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was his personal chauffeur and had breakfast with

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<v Speaker 2>him things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They began exploring DC together and the black tie events continued.

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<v Speaker 1>For their next date, Tim took Kimberly to a party

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<v Speaker 1>at the National Post Office.

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<v Speaker 3>This's this amazing building.

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<v Speaker 2>It's huge, and that has this marble entry and you

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<v Speaker 2>just walk in and they had live bands and all

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<v Speaker 2>this wonderful food, and you'd be hobnobbing with congressman. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember meeting Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She had just been confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>and they were holding a private meet and greet with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim loved how ambitious Kimberly was. He was her biggest cheerleader.

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<v Speaker 2>I never felt that he was intimidated by that or

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<v Speaker 2>my drive for success. He was just so proud of me,

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<v Speaker 2>and he would always say, I'm really proud of you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing so great.

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<v Speaker 1>That admiration was mutual. Kimberly and Tim always wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be around each other. They're black Tie dates turned to

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<v Speaker 1>dinners and long conversations. They met each other's friends and families.

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<v Speaker 2>Our relationship got serious pretty quickly, and we dated for

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<v Speaker 2>two and a half years.

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<v Speaker 1>After a year together, Tim made his intentions really clear.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me that I was the woman for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he knew right off the bat that we were

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<v Speaker 2>just made for each other and that I was the

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<v Speaker 2>love of his life and he wanted to spend the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of his life with me. He said, I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to take you to this great restaurant. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>Inn of Little Washington. It's right outside of d C.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that point I was like, I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to propose. It was just such a beautiful dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole dinner went by and he didn't propose. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, maybe I just got it wrong. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he just really wanted to go to this place. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he put his hand on his heart and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, are you okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Because we ate so much rich food and like we're drinking,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, there's something that's like poking me

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<v Speaker 2>in my chest.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, do you mean call a doctor?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what's going?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, were you okay?

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like he pulled out.

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<v Speaker 2>A box and he opened it up and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to be my wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Will you marry me?

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, because I already thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>like dying, you know, and then as that he proposed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just I said, yes, yes, I'm glad, you're

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<v Speaker 2>You're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember going to sleep that night just so happy

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<v Speaker 2>and so excited. I remember just feeling so over the

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<v Speaker 2>moon and just excited to start my life with this man.

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<v Speaker 1>She and Tim saved up and paid for their own wedding.

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<v Speaker 3>We got married in nineteen ninety eight. His dad officiated

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<v Speaker 3>the wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, we had a really fun Louisiana, New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>band and everybody was just having the best time, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was dressed up and dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>As they settled into married life, they tried to save

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<v Speaker 1>money wherever they could.

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<v Speaker 2>Dacy is so expensive. We were trying to put every

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<v Speaker 2>single cent we could into our future, and because we

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<v Speaker 2>worked so close together downtown, we would meet for lunch

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<v Speaker 2>and I would pack us a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

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<v Speaker 2>We would split a diet coke and eat an orange,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all we could really afford.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Kimberly got a new job in the tech industry

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<v Speaker 1>and she supported them financially while Tim started an MBA program.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to graduate school full time. So I worked

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<v Speaker 2>full time and paid the bills.

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<v Speaker 3>Also put money aside to pay off this tuition.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was supporting the two of us and working

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<v Speaker 2>like a dog. And I'm never just like sleeping with

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<v Speaker 2>my BlackBerry next to my pillow, and I'd hear it beep,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd be like, oh, what's it saying?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I just I never slept. My nickname was

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<v Speaker 3>the Ballbuster.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I wasn't afraid of anybody. And here I am

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<v Speaker 2>five foot two sitting across the room in a board

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with CEO of these big companies. It taught me

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<v Speaker 2>not to be afraid of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim's first job out of grad school was at a

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<v Speaker 1>fortune five hundred company in the healthcare industry. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>they had two incomes again, they could finally begin to

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<v Speaker 1>save money for their future. That's when Tim got really

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<v Speaker 1>strategic about their savings.

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<v Speaker 2>He studied the stock market like it was the most

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating thing he had ever seen. He just was reading

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<v Speaker 2>up on how to invest all the time. And he

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<v Speaker 2>began day trading, and he was making a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money from us, and he didn't spend a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the company that he was working for kept

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<v Speaker 2>promoting him, so we were basically putting his entire salary

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<v Speaker 2>in the bank and we were living off of my income.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time they were twenty nine, their financial situation

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<v Speaker 1>had completely changed. The days of splitting peanut butter and

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<v Speaker 1>jelly sandwiches were far behind them.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember seeing half a million dollars in our bank account,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a lot of money. I think that for him,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the turning point. He saw how quickly he

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<v Speaker 2>made so much money, and how that was investing and

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<v Speaker 2>how it compounded. It was just like the dream come true.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I decided I'm ready to have children.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim was ready to grow their family too.

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<v Speaker 3>He was so excited. He was really sweet. He took

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<v Speaker 3>care of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly gave birth to their first child, a baby girl.

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<v Speaker 2>First time mom. I was so happy and just that

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<v Speaker 2>motherly glow. He tag teamed with me. We worked out

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<v Speaker 2>a system where I would breastfeed her at eight o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>and then go straight to sleep, and I would sleep

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<v Speaker 2>until about two or three. He would wake me up

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<v Speaker 2>for her next feeding, and then I would go back

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep again and he would go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim made it clear they were in this together. Soon

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<v Speaker 1>they found their groove as parents. They had a second

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<v Speaker 1>daughter and then a third. Tim was climbing the ladder

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<v Speaker 1>as a healthcare executive. Fifteen years into their marriage, he

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<v Speaker 1>was making enough for Kimberly to quit her job and

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<v Speaker 1>focus on parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>He was making a ton of money at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a senior vice president.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim often traveled for work, and while it put a

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<v Speaker 1>strain on their relationship, Kimberly still felt connected to him.

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<v Speaker 3>The romance was still there.

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<v Speaker 2>We still were going on date nights, and we had

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing babysitter, and so we would go out every

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<v Speaker 2>other Saturday, sometimes even every Saturday and.

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<v Speaker 3>Do date night. So we were still very much getting along.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that they had extra income, Tim wanted to spend it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, we're buying a house in the mountains for vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a cabin in the mountains of western North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a magical place, and the kids we bunked

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<v Speaker 2>them all up in one bunk room and we would

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<v Speaker 2>boat and paddle board and canoe. We hiked every single

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<v Speaker 2>trail and saw every single waterfall, and went up there

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<v Speaker 2>for Thanksgiving and had campfires making s'mores and going fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so peaceful and so sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>The mountain house became a place where Kimberly and her

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<v Speaker 1>kids really bonded, But as time went on, Kimberly felt

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<v Speaker 1>a distance growing between her and her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>We stopped talking to each other at night time, like bye,

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<v Speaker 2>have a good night. You know, how are the kids today.

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<v Speaker 2>We stopped doing that, and that's where I knew. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>we are growing so far apart. That's when the pandemic hit.

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<v Speaker 2>We decided to go up to the mountains and spend

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<v Speaker 2>it there because it was scary. We're like, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>might as well go where there's nobody and we can

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<v Speaker 2>continue doing our quiet, isolated routine up there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a frightening time. Like many people, Kimberly was

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<v Speaker 1>worried about how the pandemic would affect her daughters.

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<v Speaker 2>I was definitely stressed, but I didn't want my kids

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<v Speaker 2>to see that. I was like, we're going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tim, on the other hand, wasn't fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim was manic.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost this is though he was jailed. He

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<v Speaker 2>was one of those individuals that did not handle the

0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.360
<v Speaker 2>pandemic well. He had been flying and traveling and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, everything stops and he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with himself, and he became very angry.

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<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, little things started to set him off.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just became this daily fight. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>first time I'd ever seen him behave like this. I

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<v Speaker 2>had never seen him so restless and so angry. He

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<v Speaker 2>was never an angry person like we rarely thought. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were always very calm the way we communicated, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden we saw this behavior and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>who is this person? I felt like he was just

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<v Speaker 2>losing his mind.

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<v Speaker 1>As the pandemic went on, Tim continued having angry outbursts,

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<v Speaker 1>acting strange, and drinking excessively.

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<v Speaker 2>He was pouring what I would call buckets of bourbon

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<v Speaker 2>and buckets of vodka, and then would open up a

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<v Speaker 2>bottle of wine.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, while they were watching a movie, Kimberly noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that Tim was engrossed in his phone.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't watching the movie, and I saw him scrolling

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<v Speaker 2>through a website and I saw lots of pictures of women,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, it looks like you're really interested in

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<v Speaker 2>what you're looking at. What are you looking at? Exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, oh, I had this headhunter that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>bugging me to take this other position. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>like okay. I said, well, it looks like there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of women on your phone. I said, would you

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<v Speaker 2>rather watch that and look at your phone than watch

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<v Speaker 2>the movie we're watching? And he's like, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what you're talking about. You don't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm working so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>And he got really angry with me, but he put

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<v Speaker 2>his phone down. And that's when I started really paying

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<v Speaker 2>attention to what was going on in my house.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, okay, start looking.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Kimberly and her family quarantined in their mountain house,

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<v Speaker 1>she started noticing changes in her husband. He was being secretive,

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<v Speaker 1>even aggressive. One night, she thought she saw photos of

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<v Speaker 1>women on her husband's phone and it kind of looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a dating site. He said it was something for work,

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<v Speaker 1>but she wasn't convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went into his suitcases and I started digging

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<v Speaker 2>through his personal effects, his toilet, try bag. I started

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<v Speaker 2>going through his desk and going through his clothes, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>find anything, went through his golf.

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<v Speaker 3>Bag, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept coming up empty. I really started to think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe everything was fine, after all, maybe she was just

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<v Speaker 1>getting in her own head. But then her eyes landed

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<v Speaker 1>on one final bag she had missed in her search,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim's gym bag.

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<v Speaker 2>And I put my hands in it and I was

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<v Speaker 2>feeling around and I didn't feel anything. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed there was a zippered compartment on the side, and

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<v Speaker 2>I opened it up and there was a treasure trove

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<v Speaker 2>of viagra, condoms, lubes, sex toys and they were not mine.

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:35.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, what did I just see?

0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.639
<v Speaker 2>What did I just find?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything? I had always feared.

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<v Speaker 2>He was cheating on me.

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<v Speaker 1>She couldn't confront Tim right away because she had to

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<v Speaker 1>drive her daughters to their dad disappointments, So she drove

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<v Speaker 1>across town in a daze.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting there in the dentist's office and then

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<v Speaker 2>I started to cry, and the dental hygienis comes out

0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and she was like, I need to ask you questions

0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:05.679
<v Speaker 2>about your children's teeth. And I remember, just like teeth,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? I couldn't make sense of

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<v Speaker 2>anything in my world at that point, and she kept

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<v Speaker 2>like asking me questions, like do your kids you know

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<v Speaker 2>they need to have their X rays done? I'm like, fine,

0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.159
<v Speaker 2>take their x rays and she was like, well, and

0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.480
<v Speaker 2>they probably need a fluorid treatment. I'm like, get to them.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you asking China? She's like, are you okay?

0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:29.879
<v Speaker 2>And I'm crying and I couldn't get the words out

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<v Speaker 2>of my mouth. My husband's cheating on me. It just

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<v Speaker 2>felt so impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Later that evening, when they were back home, Kimberly went

0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 1>into Tim's office where he was sitting at his desk, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I need to talk to you. I placed

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<v Speaker 2>the box in front of him and I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to explain this to me. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>just went quiet. The blood just rushed out of his

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<v Speaker 2>face and he just whispered, let's take this into the bedrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>We have some privacy. We went in there and I

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<v Speaker 2>sat in the bed and he started pacing.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I need you to explain this, and he

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<v Speaker 3>said it's a mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, who is she? His wheels were turning. He

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what to say to me.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time.

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<v Speaker 2>What I didn't know was he was trying to find

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 2>the right lies. He finally said her name was Anna.

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I said where did you meet? And he said the

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<v Speaker 2>whole foods down the street. I said, oh, I said,

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.600
<v Speaker 2>how old is she? And I was very calm and

0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.920
<v Speaker 2>so was he. But when he said she was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one twenty two, I felt sick.

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<v Speaker 3>This daughter was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not too far off in age. I said he

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<v Speaker 2>was sex with her and he was like yes. I

0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.879
<v Speaker 2>was so angry because I'm like, Harry, are during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>holding up, wearing masks in our face, like not communicating

0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.240
<v Speaker 2>with anybody, not seeing our friends, and you're having sex

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<v Speaker 2>with a cashier from Whole Foods, somebody you don't even know.

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.439
<v Speaker 2>And he was like yes. And I said, you just

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<v Speaker 2>betrayed me in every single sense, and I need you

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<v Speaker 2>to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>He checked into a hotel. Kimberly was in shock.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the rest of the day. I just

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<v Speaker 2>stared at my ceiling most.

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<v Speaker 3>Of that night.

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<v Speaker 1>After weeks in a hotel, Tim started trying to win

0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 1>her back, buying her expensive gifts, apologizing profusely and promising

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd change.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's just like, I love you so much. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love you. I want to help you with the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and what can I do?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make up.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly agreed to let him move back in and they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to make it work, but she suspected that there

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<v Speaker 1>was more he wasn't telling her. She wanted him to

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<v Speaker 1>fully come clean. Whenever she would bring it up, he

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.760
<v Speaker 1>kept changing his story, so she decided to find the

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>truth herself. There was one place she had it looked

0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.440
<v Speaker 1>his computer.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I started investigating him. I started logging

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<v Speaker 2>into his computers, and I learned.

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<v Speaker 3>That my.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim, who I thought was the stand up, amazing executive

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<v Speaker 2>father of my children, was a sugar daddy. He had

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<v Speaker 2>been paying young women to have sex with him. It

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<v Speaker 2>first started with him paying their bills, I'll give you

0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.879
<v Speaker 2>money for rent, and then it went to him just

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<v Speaker 2>paying them.

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<v Speaker 1>The realization was sinking in. This was something she'd only

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<v Speaker 1>seen on TV or in the movies, not something that

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<v Speaker 1>happened in real life. But here she was finding out

0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 1>her husband was a sugar daddy. A sugar daddy that

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<v Speaker 1>paid younger women for sex, paid for their lifestyle, financially

0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.959
<v Speaker 1>supported their ventures, and gave them romantic gifts in return

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.640
<v Speaker 1>for sexual favors. He was doing it all online. There

0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 1>are websites for this where men can find their sugar baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim was using them and he was using their money,

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<v Speaker 1>money that could have gone to their kids, their education,

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<v Speaker 1>their home, and instead he was spending it on other women.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly began looking at their bank statements.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw all these sums of money going out. I

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<v Speaker 2>estimated he spent about forty thousand dollars on sex workers

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<v Speaker 2>in the course of a year and a half. He

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<v Speaker 2>would take it out in five hundred dollars increments, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand, it depends on if he was having a threesome.

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<v Speaker 2>He would meet up with them in a hotel close

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<v Speaker 2>to where our daughters went to school, and he would

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 2>spend a few hours with them, smoke some weed, and

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.160
<v Speaker 2>then pick our children up in carpool and bring them home.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim had another life online, one where he was constantly

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>looking for his next sexual experience or his next sugar baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they were one off rendezvous five hundred and cash

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 1>for a meetup, but other times he continued the relationship

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and sent thousands of dollars to women, money for them

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>to start businesses or pay their bills. As Kimberly looked

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>through the digital trail, she realized this was almost an obsession.

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>It had consumed his life and so much of the

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>family's money.

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<v Speaker 2>I confronted him with all of this, and this time

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I had more than a box. He just started telling me.

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I have a hole that I can't fill.

0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:15.360
<v Speaker 2>And he said, no matter what I do to try

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.439
<v Speaker 2>to fill that hole, I cannot seem to fill it.

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>And he said, I've tried with work, I've tried with golf,

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I've tried with buying the house in the mountains and

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>hiking and doing all these things. Nothing fills that hole.

0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:34.120
<v Speaker 2>And he takes his fist and starts beating himself as

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 2>hard as he can in the face, repeatedly, like punching

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.919
<v Speaker 2>himself in the eye and in the forehead. He kept saying,

0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:44.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm so fucked up. I'm so fucked up.

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know who.

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I am so fucked up. And I remember just screaming.

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, like I had never

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 2>seen him violent, I had never seen him behave like this.

0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.399
<v Speaker 2>And I grabbed his arm and I was like stop.

0:24:57.440 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like screaming.

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like stop, stop, and he was bleeding, and

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what are you doing. He's like, I

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>don't know who. Something's wrong with me.

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 1>In that conversation, Tim told Kimberly that he wanted to

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>end his life. She was worried about his safety and

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:16.440
<v Speaker 1>encouraged him to get professional support.

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 2>So I kept saying, I really feel like you need

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to get treatment, and Tim refused. He said I can't

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>take off a month because of work.

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Refused.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, I was like, I need to get

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>out of this marriage.

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Any hope Kimberly had for repairing their relationship was gone.

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:41.439
<v Speaker 2>And I said I want a divorce. He kind of

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:46.119
<v Speaker 2>went from this like super caring, love bombing husband to

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:51.159
<v Speaker 2>business executive. This was going to be a transaction, just

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 2>like the transactions he had with the young girls. It

0:25:54.760 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>was just transactional. So I was as well, and he said,

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll give you, and he gave me a number. You

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.159
<v Speaker 2>can have the kids, you can have the house. I

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>will take care of you. I will take care of them.

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I will take care of.

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:11.800
<v Speaker 3>All of their school bills.

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<v Speaker 2>I need you to walk away. And I just looked

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<v Speaker 2>at him and I said, that number's really low. North

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Carolina is a fifty to fifty equitable state. I knew

0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>what we were worth. I had already pulled all the financials.

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly wanted half of everything. They owned together. That was fair.

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>But the minute she said it, his whole demeanor changed.

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:39.640
<v Speaker 2>He was like, well, but it's my money. You haven't

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>even worked. And I remember just being so dumbfounded. I

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>was like, what do you mean.

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I put you through business school.

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I worked until our second child was born. I was

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 2>making more than you. The large part of why we

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>have what we have is because we were able to

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>invest in properties and invest in stocks. And he's like,

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I was the one who did that. And I said, well,

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>that's not the way the courts.

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Are going to see it. And he's like, fine.

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I just want you to know if you continue down

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>this path, I will take every single cent I have

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and every single cent you have, and I will spend it,

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>burning you to the ground.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly found out that her husband had spent a lot

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of their family savings being a sugar daddy to younger women.

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 1>He was paying for things like their rent and their bills.

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>He was also paying for sex with sex workers. When

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly urged him to get help, he refused, so she

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>was left with no other option but divorce.

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want alimony from him because I knew it'd

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 2>be a way for him to control me, and I

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 2>kept saying to the attorneys, I'm like, I don't want alimony.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I want a clean break. I need the cash settlement.

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I can dig in my heels until I hit the

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>core of this planet, and I did.

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Three weeks later, I.

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Think I finally warmed down and he agreed to a

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 2>cash settlement. It was a thirty seventy split. I knew

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 2>at that minute, I'm going to be free of this man.

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>She got the money, but she wouldn't be free from Tim.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>His breakdown was just beginning. In fact, Kimberly noticed an

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 1>uneasy feeling creeping in one she couldn't shake.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I felt like I was being watched, and I

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>felt like I was being followed.

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Tim moved into an apartment nearby. Kimberly wanted space from

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the whole situation, so she decided to splurge on a

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 1>trip to the Caribbean for her fiftieth birthday. It would

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>be her her closest friends, and her three teenage daughters. Finally,

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>she could be far away from Tim and could let

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>her guard down. But the first morning of the trip,

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>something strange happened.

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm on the beach, I'm having my coffee.

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just me.

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm enjoying the morning, enjoying the view, and there's no

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>one around except for this man.

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I watched him turn. He pulls out a.

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Camera and start taking pictures of me. It's one of

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>those moments you're like, am I imagining this? I turn around,

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>so I'm thinking, maybe he's taking pictures of the villa.

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>You can't see the villa from the beach. And I

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>pretend to look down again, and here he is doing

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 2>it a second time, taking more pictures.

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>A man was on the beach taking pictures of her.

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>She was sure of it. She just didn't know why.

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>It was disturbing. But that wasn't the only upsetting thing

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 1>that happened on their trip.

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Two days later, we get a basket delivered and it's

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a gift basket and I thought, oh, well, maybe it's

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 2>a friend sending me something because it is my birthday

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>weekend and whatever.

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 3>And there was a note in it.

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it said enjoy your trip that I paid

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>for my hard work. I spent my fiftieth birthday in

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a bar.

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>It was from Tim.

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>It was a bag of cookies, I think, some chocolate

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>covered fruit and a bag of mixed nuts, and at

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>this point the kids are like, oh my god, he

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>knows we're here, He's found us. I mean, they go

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 2>into full panic mode.

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Something about this basket immediately raised alarm bells. One of

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>their daughters had a severe nut allergy. Tim spent eighteen

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>years making sure everything his daughter ate was nut free,

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>making sure he packed the EpiPen. Kimberly and her daughters

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>looked at each other, eyes widened.

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 2>My daughter looked at the nuts and she's like, is

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 2>he trying to kill me?

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>The vacation was meant to be relaxing, but it left

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the family more on edge than before. At this point,

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly was dating other people. When she got back from vacation,

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>she had a date planned.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>We went out to this upscale restaurant. It was like

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 2>seven o'clock and a busy Saturday night, and I'm in

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>a pretty dress and he's in a suit, and we

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>order our cocktail and order an appetizer, and before it

0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>even comes out, Tim comes charging towards our table from

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>the bar.

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>He's got a drink in his hand and he was drunk.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>And I remember just being so panicked because I hadn't

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 2>seen him since we had separated, and he got in

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>our face and he's said, you're doing drugs and dealing drugs,

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>and I know who you are, but he's like saying

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.239
<v Speaker 2>it loudly, and people like stopping with their eating and

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 2>like looking at our table.

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 3>And then the maid of d came over.

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>And he left and he's like, you go okay, And

0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, no, But I was so shaken, and

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember going home.

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how did he know we were there?

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly's head was spinning. Somehow Tim knew exactly where she

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 1>was at all times. A few weeks later, Kimberly was

0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>at the doctor's office. Over the last year, her PABs

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>mirrors kept coming back abnormal. The doctors told her it

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>was due to a past HPV infection, likely from the

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>unprotected sex Tim was having with other women.

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting in the gynecologist's office with a robe on.

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I heard my phone and I looked at it and

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a text from Tim, and it said, just

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 2>remember while you're there getting tested for your STDs with

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>all your boyfriends, you can't use our health insurance money

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to pay for it. Just like shaking, like I could

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 2>not even control my hands. I dropped my phone and

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, he knows I'm here. He physically knows

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm here.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 1>She thought maybe Tim had been following her. That was

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>until she brought her car in to be serviced.

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>It was just a routine service and everything went fine.

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I was pulling away and I noticed there was this

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:31.520
<v Speaker 2>device sitting in my console. I picked it up and

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what is this. I called the technician. I'm like, hey,

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I think they left something in my car. He was like, oh, no,

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that's your tracking device.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 3>I was like what. He's like, yeah, that was.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Your tracking device. Sorry, we forgot to put it back in.

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>He put a tracking device inside my car.

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Tim was tracking Kimberly everywhere she went, but he knew

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:56.920
<v Speaker 1>much more than just her location. Whenever they had to

0:33:56.960 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 1>talk to each other about their daughters or divorce proceedings.

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 2>He had been referencing conversations that I was having inside

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 2>my house.

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 3>One time, He's like, yeah, I saw.

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:11.959
<v Speaker 2>You playing volleyball with our daughter in the house when

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I was there. You would never let that fly. And

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, could you look through my windows? And

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I went actually outside and looking at my house. I'm like,

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>you can't see into my house unless you're in my

0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 2>backyard looking into my windows.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 3>He knew about a.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Trip that I was planning.

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 3>I was taking a cruise, and he knew about it.

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>He said, I hope you have fun on your trip,

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, how does he know all of these things?

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>It felt like Tim had eyes and ears everywhere. There

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 1>was no escaping, and Kimberly was struggling.

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely in trauma mode, wondering when he was

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>going to pop up again. And I turned into this

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:59.840
<v Speaker 2>paranoid mess. I was so jumpy all the time he was.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm so angry. I had this feeling he was going

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>to come for me. I was always locking and unlocking

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the doors. I unlocked and locked my door so many

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>times I actually broke the doorknob.

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 1>She lived in this paranoid state for a whole year.

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Then one weekend, when Kimberly was out of town, she

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 1>got a strange notification on her home security app.

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Somebody had gone in and changed my password to my

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>home security system.

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, oh my god.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:34.880
<v Speaker 2>And I logged in and I saw that he had

0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>accessed my home security system, logged me out, logged him in,

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 2>self in, and made himself the master user, so he

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:48.839
<v Speaker 2>could see into my home and he could hear the conversations.

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Suddenly puzzle pieces started clicking into place. It wasn't just

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>paranoia that like Kimberly to believe Tim could hear what

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>she was saying inside her house. He had hacked into

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>her home security system. From there, he would watch her

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>in her home and listen to her private conversations.

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>The reason he was able to do that is when

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>they changed over the account to my name, they failed

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>to log out all the devices, and even though I

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:22.719
<v Speaker 2>had changed the password, he was able to access it

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>through face idea.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.799
<v Speaker 1>During the court hearings for Kimberly's protective order against him,

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>he admitted to putting the tracking device.

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 2>On her car.

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Apparently that was legal. Then the line of questioning shifted

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>to the home security system.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 2>My attorney's asking him how many times did you look

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>into Kimberly's house and watch her? And he was like countless.

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.319
<v Speaker 2>And the judge popped her head up and she said, sir,

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>I need you to explain that when you say countless,

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>that means you can't count that high. Can you quantify that?

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:01.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like dozens?

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 1>On the stand Tim also admitted to hiring a private

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>investigator to follow Kimberly twenty four to seven.

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like one hundred dollars an hour to

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.800
<v Speaker 2>do what to watch to me go to the grocery

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 2>store and turn my lights on and off. It was

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>just insanity.

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 1>The judge did the right thing.

0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.439
<v Speaker 2>She ruled in favor that I got the restraining order.

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Tim fought this on appeal, but ultimately Kimberly prevailed. It

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>was a landmark case because before this, North Carolina courts

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 1>required proof of physical abuse or explicit violent threats to

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>grant a protective order. Kimberly's case created a precedent in

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>their home state. It was a big win, but Tim

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>was still spiraling out of control.

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>He threatened to have my two older children arrested. He

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.240
<v Speaker 2>was claiming that they were part of a bitcoin scheme

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>to blackmail him, and that he had proof, and he

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 2>sent this to my attorney, like this wasn't on the

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>bingo card.

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Tim was spending obscene amounts of money. It seemed like

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>any semblance of control and order in his life was

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>slipping away. Kimberly's oldest daughter had gone off to college,

0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>but she still had two of her daughters at home,

0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and she was trying to hold everything together for them.

0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>A few weeks later, on November twenty third, I was

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 2>out to dinner and I get a text from one

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>of his old girlfriends, something he dated and I'd always

0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>liked her, and says I need to talk to you.

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's really weird. And I call her

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, hey, you know, is everything okay? And

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 2>she said, Kimberly, Tim's dead and I was like, what.

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Tim had gone into the woods and taken his own life.

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>She's like, I'm so sorry, and I just was calm.

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, I didn't even have to

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 2>say and I threw up.

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't cry.

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I felt sick, I felt shocked, and then I felt relief.

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>And I hate that I felt that, but it's human nature.

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.439
<v Speaker 2>He had abused and tortured me and made my life

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>living hell.

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly had to find a way to tell her daughters.

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I took the girls into my bedroom.

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I said, let's sit down and talk about this. It's

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 2>okay to be upset, it's okay to be shocked, it's

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 2>okay to be angry. The girls end up being named

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:49.240
<v Speaker 2>administrators to the estate. Obviously they're young girls. They decided

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't do it. They named me and appointed me.

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.240
<v Speaker 2>So now here I am with my ex husband managing

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 2>his estate.

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>In the weeks that followed, Kimberly went to old apartment

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>to clean it out. When she stepped inside, she was

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<v Speaker 1>shocked at the state he had been living in. She

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<v Speaker 1>saw for his hand what he had been draining his

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<v Speaker 1>accounts on. It wasn't just private investigators and legal fees.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd been buying all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a hoarder. To see like the state of

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<v Speaker 2>his stuff, and it was expensive stuff. He had like

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<v Speaker 2>a chicken coop for chickens he didn't have, and pool

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<v Speaker 2>equipment for a pool he didn't have, and watches, and

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<v Speaker 2>flipflops that were like from Target thrown in with a

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<v Speaker 2>box of like a thousand dollar pair of Italian leather shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>There was even a box of fifty vintage pencil sharpeners

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<v Speaker 1>that cost two thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>And a nineteen forties chipbox. He had an RV that

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<v Speaker 2>he wrecked. He had motorcycles, a jet ski, two trailers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean hundreds of thousands dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Worth of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the strangest and most alarming things he'd spend

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<v Speaker 1>his money on was a trained German shepherd.

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<v Speaker 2>He had it imported overseas, and it was a trained

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<v Speaker 2>killer guard dog. He spent close to eighty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>on the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually bought a second guard dog. At first, Kimberly

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to adopt the dogs herself. Then she had a

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with the trainer, who strongly advised her against interacting

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<v Speaker 1>with the dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were to ever come around, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>they were trained to attack me.

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<v Speaker 1>The trainer ended up taking the dogs for Kimberly. The

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<v Speaker 1>dogs became another what if, another decision Tim made that

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<v Speaker 1>left her speechless. For twenty years, she'd known Tim to

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<v Speaker 1>be a dependable man. She adored him and respected him.

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<v Speaker 1>She built a family with him, and then, seemingly out

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<v Speaker 1>of the blue, he blew up their marriage, blew their savings,

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<v Speaker 1>and turned against his own daughters. Worst of all, he

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<v Speaker 1>spent his final years stalking and tearing the family. Kimberly

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to make sense of this as she sorted

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<v Speaker 1>through Tim's belongings. That's how she learned that a few

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<v Speaker 1>days before he took his own life, Tim had checked

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<v Speaker 1>himself into a rehab facility.

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<v Speaker 5>Tim had a lot of demons that he did not

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<v Speaker 5>share with me, and one of the things that I

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<v Speaker 5>learned after he passed away he had admitted himself into rehab.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to a place in Kentucky and willingly checked

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<v Speaker 2>himself in and checked himself out.

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<v Speaker 3>A few days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly called the rehab, hoping to learn more about his

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<v Speaker 1>state of mind while he was there, and any more

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<v Speaker 1>information about those final days leading up to his death.

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.399
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I had this puzzle, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the picture was and pieces were missing. So

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I called him and I said, I'm assuming he was

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<v Speaker 2>in here for substance abuse. And they're like, no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>not what we do. And I was like, well, why

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 2>was he in here? And They're like, he wasn't here

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<v Speaker 2>for childhood sexual abuse. I was just shocked.

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly knew that Tim had been a victim of childhood

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<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse, but she had no idea how significant the

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<v Speaker 1>trauma continued to be for him in adulthood. As she

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<v Speaker 1>worked to put together a painful puzzle of loss, she

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<v Speaker 1>also did everything she could to help her daughters through

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<v Speaker 1>their grief.

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<v Speaker 2>I still have his ashes here in my home, and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to my daughters about what they wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to take him up to the mountains

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<v Speaker 2>where we had so many happy times and had a

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<v Speaker 2>ceremony and service there and just remember the good times.

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's going to be a final thing

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<v Speaker 2>for us to like.

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<v Speaker 1>End this chapter, Kimberly is still in the process of

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<v Speaker 1>finding her way back to herself.

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I have trouble finding joy like I used to. This

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.960
<v Speaker 2>did such a number on me for so long. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find out who I am and what

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<v Speaker 2>do I really like to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Through everything, her relationship with her daughters remained strong.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they see the strength that I've shown and

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<v Speaker 2>the strength that's taken for them to overcome it. As

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<v Speaker 2>much as I hate that they went through it, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell them all the time, You're going to use these

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<v Speaker 2>skills that you've learned for the rest of your life,

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<v Speaker 2>and you will help other women, and you will be

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<v Speaker 2>a source of support for other people going through the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We end every weekly episode with the same question, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to share your story?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Important for people to know when they do hit that

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<v Speaker 2>rock bottom moment and again I've hit it, I hit

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<v Speaker 2>it hard.

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<v Speaker 3>You can get through these horrible, horrible times.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody can betray you, and you might just want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like, I can't do this anymore, I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of this anymore.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:18.880
<v Speaker 3>How am How am I going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Myself out of this? Just keep putting one foot in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the other, and you're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the dark forest and see the

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 2>light if you just keep moving. Don't be embarrassed, don't

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<v Speaker 2>be ashamed, don't be afraid to tell your story, because

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<v Speaker 2>the more times you talk about it, the more you

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<v Speaker 2>can make sense of it and process it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's been very helpful for me.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode of Betrayal Weekly, this was my

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<v Speaker 1>best friend.

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<v Speaker 6>This was somebody who was in my house every single day.

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<v Speaker 6>This is somebody who I told all my secrets too.

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<v Speaker 6>She did this because she wanted to She did this

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<v Speaker 6>because she likes to manipulate. She did this because she

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<v Speaker 6>likes the control.

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