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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine fifty and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Poda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: To the end zone for the Cardinal touchdown Drey McBride,

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Speaker 1: he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 4: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's important that we begin today's edition

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two with a moment of reflection for what

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Speaker 1: we all had to endure over the weekend. First, on

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Speaker 3: Wait, hey, am, before Syracuse took its first offensive snap.

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Speaker 1: No, before Notre Dame took its first offensive snap, there were.

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Speaker 3: Like what special teams touchdown to defensive touchdowns, arapick six's

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Speaker 3: and a punt block. I'm sorry, Craig, careful, Paul careful.

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Speaker 3: I feel for you, careful because that was Saturday, and

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Speaker 3: then on Sunday, midway through the second half, there was

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Speaker 3: an announcement by your alma mater. We are both suffering

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Speaker 3: here on this Monday following the Cardinals loss, which we

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Speaker 3: will get to. But our football programs fall. They're not

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Speaker 3: in good shape. Well see, here's the difference. Yours was

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Speaker 3: subtraction by subtraction. Ours is addition by subtraction. When I

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Speaker 3: I learned about that during one of the commercial breaks.

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Speaker 3: Pash piped up down the line and let the sideline

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Speaker 3: guy know that his alma mater had fired its head coach. Yeah, Crow, Okay,

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Speaker 3: here we go. Let's go great. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: we had owned Stanford recently.

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Speaker 1: I even forgot about the big game on Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: it's not how you start, it's how you finished, right,

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Speaker 1: We can go a number of different directions here, Paul,

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Speaker 3: And every phase had a hand in it. It's not

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Speaker 3: Was it a perfect game, No, you're ever going to

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Speaker 1: the way, knowing that James Connor is out for the season.

434
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it has to begin with figuring out again,

435
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: you don't need to rush for one hundred and fifty

436
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: plus yards every single week, but at least keep the

437
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 1: defense honest, because I don't think you're seeing a lot

438
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: of respect with the Cardinals run game right now, and

439
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: that's why you're in a lot of either known pass

440
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: so all of a sudden, you're bringing that extra defender,

441
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: which the Jaguars did a couple of different times, free

442
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: runners a couple of different times, and again you've got

443
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: five in. But if you're bringing a six now all

444
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden, does Jacobe see it? Does he have

445
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: time to get rid of the football?

446
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: Again? A lot of.

447
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: Different factors go into it. All right, Paul, since you

448
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: were down on the sideline, you had the best view

449
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: of the house. How about we just discussed briefly here

450
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: on how the game ended in regulation because big talking

451
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Speaker 1: point on Cardinal talk again, as I mentioned, a big

452
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: talking point all week long, as far as did the

453
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Speaker 1: Cardinals give themselves enough of a chance to perhaps win

454
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: the game in regulation based off of the play that

455
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Speaker 1: Michael Wilson made, because it was a tremendous catch and

456
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: run at that point to get down to I believe

457
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: it was the Jaguars eleven yard line. And I must

458
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: have watched that play back the end of the play

459
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: about half a dozen times Sunday night when I got home,

460
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: because I do believe Michael Wilson realized his mistake spinning

461
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: the football, realized it immediately and quickly as he could,

462
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: grabbed the football, handed it to the official. The ball

463
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 1: gets spotted with about seventeen seconds left. The snap, though,

464
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: is taken with ten seconds left. And that was the

465
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: question asked a JG postgame. And I don't think he

466
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: understood the question from reporters postgame, because I think he

467
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: was talking in again, from his perspective, the game just ends,

468
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: so you're full of emotions looking back at every single play.

469
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Speaker 1: By the way, the Cardinals had eighty four offensive plays

470
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: excuse me, eighty two offensive place. Um, So going back

471
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Speaker 1: in his mind, Okay, what was the time on the clock,

472
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: what could we have done better? Because everyone's thinking, well,

473
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Speaker 1: you run up to the ball line of scrimmage, spike

474
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Speaker 1: the ball, give yourself at least two chances, perhaps what

475
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: tents s to get into the end zone and then

476
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: kick the field goal. So what Pash was talking about, Hey,

477
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: Q was talking about and you didn't see it, snap

478
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: was taken, clock is running and throw the incompletion and

479
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: then you have Chad rollin on to kick the field

480
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: goal to send the game and overtime.

481
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a really good description and you summed

482
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 3: it up really well. When Michael Wilson did spin the

483
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: ball mistake, I'm I think we're all we are in agreement.

484
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: He'll never do that again in that situation. But when

485
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: he grabbed it and he had a hard time corralling it,

486
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: but he finally grabbed it, he got over there, It's

487
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 3: not like the Cardinals offense was set. They were still

488
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: getting down the field. The old line was still not set.

489
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: So even though he did eventually grab the ball and

490
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: did give it to the official, you had to wait

491
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Speaker 3: the offense.

492
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Speaker 4: I mean.

493
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Speaker 3: So, look, there's culpability by everyone getting down the field

494
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 3: feeling that urgency, being ready to go. Now, does that

495
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Speaker 3: mean that they would have spiked it in that situation.

496
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: It sounds like like to some degree they were trying

497
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: to take advantage of the defense and try and get

498
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: that ball off and get a playoff before the defense

499
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 3: was set, and that was more of the mindset. Okay,

500
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: but it would have been nice to get two shots

501
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: at the end zone, then kick a game time field

502
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 3: goal and go to overtime. So there's no doubt. I

503
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: think in review, it'll be interesting to see what sort

504
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: of determinations, if anything, the Cardinals make and what sort

505
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 3: of changes perhaps to the approach at the very end there.

506
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: Every game is a singular one off, so it's hard

507
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: to replicate. But we do know, for example, Larry Fitzgerald

508
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: in the day, when make a catch, get out of bounds,

509
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: and what we do immediately raced in the middle of

510
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: the field and give it to the official to spot.

511
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Speaker 1: The football, almost akin to end of game in basketball.

512
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: Do you call a timeout? Do you not call a timeout?

513
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: Do you want the defense to set themselves, or do

514
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: you just run a play?

515
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: So I got an analogy.

516
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Speaker 1: I understand the thought process, but what you mentioned, I'd

517
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Speaker 1: rather have the two shots versus the one shot trying

518
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: to win it and then kick the field goal. Didn't

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: happen that way again, hindsight twenty twenty, get in real time,

520
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: at least listening to the broadcast and then even the

521
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: TV broadcast with Spirodid's and adametric Archiletta both talking about, hey,

522
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: spike the football. Oh they're not spiking the football. The

523
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: clock is ticking down. You don't have any time out,

524
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: so maybe you save yourself some time, because right there,

525
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: time is of the essence. Not maybe you know where

526
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: you were as far as trying to get surprise the defense.

527
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: And you never know, was that Jacoby Brissett sensing that

528
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 3: the defense wasn't ready to go and we're going to

529
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: run a play here? Is that the coaching staff in

530
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: his ear? Because you know, Drew Petsy does communicate with

531
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissette up until fifteen is on the playcock And

532
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: and don't think that Drew Petsing isn't talking to his quarterback.

533
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he is.

534
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 3: He's letting him know what he's seen both defensively and

535
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe what to shout out other guys on

536
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: the field, what's the most important with each and every

537
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: play call?

538
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: So who knows?

539
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: You just know in the moment, you know, that's that's

540
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: where sometimes instincts take over versus strategy. So it may

541
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: not have been a predetermined, premeditated approach. It might have

542
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: been something in the moment where either Jacoby and or

543
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: the coaching staff decided, all right, this is the way

544
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: we're gonna go.

545
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: And that's fair because sometimes again in real time, you

546
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: based off of feeling. And if Jacoby understood, hey, we've

547
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: got a chance here, because the offense doesn't substitute the

548
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: defense can't, so you have the defense on its heels

549
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and perhaps again that's the thought process not only from

550
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback, from the sideline as well. Again didn't work.

551
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: You did kick the field goal, go into overtime the

552
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Jaguars Again, I mean, there are questionable decisions on both

553
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: sidelines as far as again for me, I win the

554
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: toss in overtime, I'm gonna elect to kick the ball,

555
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, because I want to know what I need.

556
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Because now I knowing that each team gets a possession,

557
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: I want to know what I need. Jaguars, though, elect

558
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 1: to receive defense, gets off the field a fifty two

559
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: yard field goal, and then well the fun begins because

560
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: on the first play, free man rush and Jacoby Brissett

561
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: gets sacked. He steps up in the pocket, Paris Johnson's

562
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: man goes underneath and you're looking at oh boy, here

563
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: you go. You're behind the sticks. Right off the bat

564
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: third and five, Jacoby Brisett scrambles for the first down.

565
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Later on the drive, it's a third and four pass

566
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: intended for Greg Dortsch is broken up. So now you

567
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: get the decision. On fourth and four at the forty

568
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: two yard line of Jacksonville, kick a field goal. There

569
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: fifty nine sixty yards. Now you're playing for a tie,

570
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Gannon made it very very clear, not only

571
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: to reporters, but to you as well. I'm looking to

572
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: win the game. Totally understand why you don't kick the

573
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: field goal. There the play, it's the decision to go

574
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: for it, which is to me, the right decision. And

575
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: then it's the decision, Okay, what play are we going

576
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: to run based off the coverage by the defense. And

577
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: I understand what was said postgame. That was the right read.

578
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: That was absolutely the correct right raid by Jacoby Brissett.

579
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: When you see one on one and McBride is double teamed,

580
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson is double teamed. Dertsch opened in the flat,

581
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: but he is short of the sticks, Michael Carter underneath

582
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: short of the sticks.

583
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: I just don't know if.

584
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: It was the right time to go deep on a

585
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: fourth and four in that situation with not your number

586
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: one wide receiver, not even your number two wide receiver,

587
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: Xavier Weaver to me, hasn't shown hasn't shown the ability yet,

588
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: and then to earn the confidence and the trust to

589
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: make that pass attempt. It was one on one coverage.

590
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: Jacksonville safety came over the top to help break up

591
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: the pass, and the Cardinals again falls short twenty seven

592
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: to twenty four.

593
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: Jacoby were said after the game. He cited the throw

594
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: itself too much air, ostensibly so it allowed the deep

595
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: safety to come over and make it double coverage. When

596
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: he threw the ball or when he had the read,

597
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: it was single coverage, and perhaps Xavier Weaver was pulling

598
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: away a little bit. I'm with you, it's not so

599
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: much the play call. It was whether it was the

600
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: right receiver in the right spot. For example, if it's

601
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: Michael Wilson streaking down the middle of the field and

602
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: six foot two Michael Wilson, who's an absolute dog when

603
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 3: it comes to contested catches and has proven the ability

604
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: to win that physical battle even against two defenders, then

605
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: maybe you take your chance. But as Xavier Weaver, who's

606
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: a little smaller, slighter of stature, and not as proven

607
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: in that situation, that that to me, not only is

608
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: it a low percentage attempt because of a deep ball

609
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: a deep shot, but then you have to base it

610
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: on the receiver that is getting the target himself. So

611
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: the two combined made it a very low percentage attempt,

612
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: and that I think that is what was so tough

613
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: for so many to process.

614
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 4: I get it.

615
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: Trey McBride, yes, he got double coverage underneath, But Dray

616
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: McBride is proven to be able to make those catches

617
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: in traffic and find a way, find a way to

618
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: get that extra yard or too, to break an arm tackle,

619
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: run through a defender Sauce Gardner, and get a big

620
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: moment first down. So in the biggest moments, do you

621
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: give your biggest players, your biggest play makers at opportunity?

622
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: And so I think that's the pang of regret, if

623
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: you will. Michael Wilson, who also had extra attention on him,

624
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: we get it. And so you know, in hindsight, all right, hey,

625
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: you're playing to win the game.

626
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: I get it.

627
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: You know, no one's gonna be satisfied with the tie,

628
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: not at this point in the season, not with the

629
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: win loss record the way it is. And so it

630
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: just that play call, or at least that receiver targeted

631
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: in that situation, I think probably.

632
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Is what sticks with most people. And I think that's

633
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: the better way to describe it. If it's Michael Wilson,

634
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: if it's Trey McBride, if it's Marvin Harrison Junior if

635
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: healthy back in the day, if it's Learry Fitzgerald and

636
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Kwan Bolden, absolutely go win the game. As Jonathan Gannon

637
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: said postgame, but it was because of who was targeted again,

638
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: and that was to me, perhaps, could you have made

639
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: a better decision in that moment, right decision to go

640
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: for it? You have to you're looking to win the game,

641
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: not sit there with a three to seven.

642
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: And one record.

643
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you're at that point where ties mean absolutely

644
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: nothing to go win the ballgame, and the Cardinals were

645
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: unable to.

646
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: You know what three seven and one is. That's the

647
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: combination of my bike lock. That's what three seven and

648
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: one is. So you get it. You're going for the win. Now,

649
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: in hindsight, if you're looking down the play sheet, okay,

650
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Speaker 3: was there something?

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Speaker 4: Was there something?

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Speaker 3: You know, there's always that section every play caller talks about.

653
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Speaker 3: There's always that section of plays that you've already discussed

654
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Speaker 3: with the quarterback and your offense and said, all right,

655
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Speaker 3: if the game's on the line, here's the section of

656
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Speaker 3: plays that we like the most. So in hindsight, does

657
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Speaker 3: that play check that box? We'll never know, but I

658
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Speaker 3: think that's what was left in the minds of most

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Speaker 3: everyone who was watching a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of injury items that will be keeping an eye on. Unfortunately,

661
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Speaker 1: Walter Nolan after that play, and I don't know if

662
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Speaker 1: it was that specific fumble return for a touchdown because

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Speaker 1: look at the snap count, he was only on the

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Speaker 1: field for six snaps. Was that his final snap of

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Speaker 1: the game, So okay, he scores, he scores, he celebrates,

666
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Speaker 1: comes to the sideline. He wasn't even he took a seat,

667
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Speaker 1: briefly rocked the turnover buffs, you know, the Will Johnson sunglasses.

668
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Speaker 1: But then he got up and he's on his feet,

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Speaker 1: and there was a slight. There was a moment where

670
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Speaker 1: the train came over and sort of took a look

671
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Speaker 1: at him and took off one of his shoes, and

672
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I don't know, you know, the relacing,

673
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Speaker 1: retaping an ankle. I didn't see him tape in anything,

674
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Speaker 1: but you know, his shoe was off momentarily, and then

675
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Speaker 1: but boom, he's back on his feet.

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Speaker 3: So that point all right.

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Speaker 4: Because he took a shot.

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Speaker 3: I mean as soon as he took that shot, because

679
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Speaker 3: his leg was planted, and as soon as he took

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Speaker 3: that shot, Okay, there's the exhilaration, the celebration of the

681
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Speaker 3: defensive touchdown, but you're also wondering, wow is big Wald Okay,

682
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Speaker 3: and so I was keeping an eye on it. I

683
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Speaker 3: was hanging by the defensive line bench and I watched it,

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Speaker 3: and then eventually I'm like, well, he's still standing over there. Okay,

685
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Speaker 3: I guess he's good to go. But to my recollection,

686
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Speaker 3: he never went back in the game, and then after

687
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Speaker 3: halftime we got word that he was out with a

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Speaker 3: knee injury. Eventually, later in the second half, he did

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Speaker 3: come over in sweats and he was back on the sideline.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what does that all mean? I have no idea,

692
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Speaker 3: but my only assumption is and gut feeling is yes,

693
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Speaker 3: he did suffer the injury on the fumbel return.

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Speaker 1: The other injury is to right guard Will Hernandez, who

695
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Speaker 1: roughly the same time that Will Hernandez was ruled out,

696
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Speaker 1: we get the announcement that Will is questionable to return

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Speaker 1: with a hip issue, and I don't believe he did.

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Speaker 1: It was Isaiah Adams the rest of the way in

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Speaker 1: the second half, playing at right guard. So you talk

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Speaker 1: about the offensive line being relatively healthy, outside of that

701
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Speaker 1: right guard position where that was I think a little

702
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Speaker 1: maybe more performance based. When Will did get healthy, slide

703
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Speaker 1: him back into right guard, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Will who was already dealing with a knee that might

705
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Speaker 1: not have been I mean, he's one hundred percent healthy,

706
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Speaker 1: but I'm talking about football shape wise and how he's

707
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Speaker 1: moving out there on the football field. That's why you

708
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Speaker 1: saw the rotation earlier in the game and even last week.

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Speaker 1: Maybe is figure out what your decision is at right

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Speaker 1: guard moving forward?

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Speaker 3: And you know what, if Isaiah Adams gets a lot

712
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Speaker 3: of snaps the rest of this season, there are worse

713
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Speaker 3: things that can happen, right I mean round three guy,

714
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Speaker 3: year two, I mean really, you know still developing. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Will Hernandez when healthy, he's a known quantity. What do

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Speaker 3: you have in Isaiah Adams? You got to have some

717
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Speaker 3: answers to these questions. What is his upside? How much

718
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Speaker 3: can he develop? We saw what happened last year in

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Speaker 3: the final five games. He made a lot of strides

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Speaker 3: when he got those starts to end last year. Okay,

721
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Speaker 3: what is he capable of this year? Will Hernandez was

722
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Speaker 3: on the sideline, he was trying to get loose, and

723
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Speaker 3: you could tell he's working through something and he's trying

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Speaker 3: to get back in the game, but he just never

725
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Speaker 3: felt like, you know, he was going to be able

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Speaker 3: to go. So I'm not exactly sure what the future

727
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Speaker 3: holds for seventy six. But when it comes to seventy four,

728
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Speaker 3: Isaiah Adams, you know that is because look, you have

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Speaker 3: to assess that offensive line between now and the end

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Speaker 3: of the season. How do you diagnose it? Where do

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Speaker 3: you need to invest either picks and or free agency?

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Speaker 3: But it is something you figure will be addressed in

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Speaker 3: the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Last offseason, that was defensive line. This offseason. Hunch, guess

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Speaker 1: offensive line.

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Speaker 4: Good point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's a good analogy, right. I mean, you

738
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Speaker 3: invested draft picks and over one hundred million dollars into

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Speaker 3: your defensive front a year ago. Okay, what's coming this

740
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Speaker 3: year on the offensive side of the ball? I mean

741
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Speaker 3: you look at some of the teams that have turned

742
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Speaker 3: it around, teams that have gone from worse to first.

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Speaker 3: The Chicago Bears, what they do in the offseason. Yes

744
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Speaker 3: they have a new coaching staff, but they fix the

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Speaker 3: offensive line. So when you look at teams Carolina you know,

746
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Speaker 3: the offensive line is a lot better despite injury, which

747
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Speaker 3: is remarkable. The Carolina offensive line is so much better

748
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Speaker 3: than it was. And now depending on the health of

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Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield. Now, depending if the Cardinals can go into

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Speaker 3: Tampa and handuck Buccaneers another loss they've already lost four

751
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Speaker 3: out of five, then boom, you know, Carolina could be

752
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Speaker 3: Every year there's at least one team that goes from

753
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Speaker 3: worse to first since nineteen ninety. It's remarkable in the NFL,

754
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Speaker 3: and we just named two of those teams. That's the

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Speaker 3: way they're tracking right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's how quickly things can change year to year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. And who knows what is in the

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Speaker 1: future for the Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty six, but

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Speaker 1: there is plenty of time to discuss that here on

760
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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two and other platforms on Easycardinals dot Com.

761
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Speaker 1: But let's end this with some positivity, as we do

762
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Speaker 1: each and every week here on Cardinals Cover two. And

763
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Speaker 1: there were some individual moments, individual bright spots, but it's

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Speaker 1: not always about the individual. It's not about the play

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Speaker 1: or the performer. The Angry Bird Award this week again,

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Speaker 1: it could be a moment, or it could be a

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Speaker 1: reward for the entire day's worth of work on Sunday, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, we try not to go captain obvious and for

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Speaker 3: that reason, someone like a Buddha Baker. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's ever received the Angry Bird Award, okay, because you

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Speaker 3: could almost give it to him every single week, especially

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Speaker 3: last season. But for Buddha Baker to go out and

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Speaker 3: not only have his first interception in three years, but

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Speaker 3: a diving I mean a highlight reel interception. For Buddha

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Speaker 3: Baker to have a half sack, by the way, I

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Speaker 3: have no idea how he did not get a full

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Speaker 3: sack on that the replay I saw on the jumbo tron.

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Speaker 3: Kalais was a late comer on that one. I wonder

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Speaker 3: if that gets reversed.

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Speaker 4: It could.

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Speaker 1: Initially it was Buddha Baker and then I was going

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Speaker 1: back and I noticed on the defensive stats it said

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Speaker 1: half a sack.

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Speaker 4: I was like half a sack. He had a full.

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Speaker 1: Sack in the first half. And then went back like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they split it with Kalais, And I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: props to Clais, but it's I haven't looked back at

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Speaker 1: that particular play to see, all right, was it really

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Speaker 1: a split sack or do they review it? And then

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, I believe, or Wednesday morning, they come out, Hey,

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Speaker 1: some statistical updates for everyone as far as tackles and penalties.

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Speaker 4: And all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Buddha, congratulations, you did have a full sack, so you.

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Speaker 3: Could argue, all right, maybe I should take the Angry

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Speaker 3: Bird award and split it between Buddha and Jalen Thompson,

796
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Speaker 3: who had a heck of a game. They both tied

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Speaker 3: for the team lead with nine tackles apiece, and I

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Speaker 3: thought they were really instant, mental and really problematic for

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Speaker 3: Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. There's a reason why three

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Speaker 3: interceptions were thrown. There's a reason why there was a

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Speaker 3: fumble cause by Jalen Thomson, because the safeties for the

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00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: Cardinals defense were dynamic and they were getting dialed up

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Speaker 3: and they were really confusing. They talked about it. Disguising

804
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: pre to post snap with Trevor Lawrence was a huge

805
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Speaker 3: key for the defense in this game. I thought they

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Speaker 3: definitely checked that box. They definitely made it very difficult

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Speaker 3: for him to read and react. And so for that

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Speaker 3: in mind. And you know, we can't really split the

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Speaker 3: Angry Bird Award because well, quite frankly, there's only one,

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Speaker 3: and so it's not like we have one every week.

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Speaker 3: So with that in mind, Buddha Baker is your Angry

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Speaker 3: Bird Award winner for the most taalacious play or player.

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Speaker 1: Might be the highest honor Buddha has received since whearing

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Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinals uniform. I mean, forget the Pro Bowls

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Speaker 1: and the All Pros. No, it's the Angry Bird Award

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Speaker 1: that everyone and that Cardinals locker room covets. They might

817
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Speaker 1: not know about it, but it's they cove it.

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Speaker 3: That's right, you know. And Jacksonville has a rookie running

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Speaker 3: back with the last name Touton, So that's darn tutin.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's my that's that's my saying when you

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Speaker 3: when you bring that up. Good way to wrap up

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Speaker 3: this edition of Cardinals Cover two. Congratulations to Buddha Baker

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Speaker 3: and hopefully this is the week that the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 3: solve their win loss problem and find their way into

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Speaker 3: the win column for the first time in a long time.

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Speaker 3: We'll get more in depth on what awaits the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: this week as they head to Tampa Bay. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I have not checked because it's just Monday. Oh no,

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Speaker 3: but it is late November and Tampa Bay it's probably better.

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Speaker 3: And then maybe what early September or is there never

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Speaker 3: a really good time for the sideline.

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Speaker 4: Reporters to go to Tampa. It's a great point.

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Speaker 3: I mean, a driving rain is the worst, there's no

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Speaker 3: doubt about it, even worse than brutal Florida humidity and heat.

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Speaker 3: We've done Jacksonville in Week three before and it was bad.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, the driving rain in Miami a few years ago.

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Speaker 3: Pat p mocking all of us on the sideline because

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Speaker 3: he grew up in that area and he's like, what,

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Speaker 3: this is nothing. So I'm praying for what we have

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Speaker 3: experienced in Arizona the last four or five days. Let's

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Speaker 3: hope that is not the case in Tampa on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Here's oping that Mother Nature smiles down upon you on

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: I brought the rain gear to Seattle. I didn't need it, thankfully.

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Speaker 3: That's when I should have known something was up and

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Speaker 3: was going to go awry in Seattle, when I actually

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00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: needed sunglasses for the first time in two decades. I

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Speaker 3: will be packing the rain gear to Tampa. Unfortunately, hopefully

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Speaker 3: you will not need it. In Week thirteen Lucky number

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Speaker 3: thirteen for the Arizona Cardinals and Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, we will put a lid on

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, probably

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to

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Speaker 1: our executive producer jim On Mohundra, our associate producer Cuddy Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two