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Speaker 1: We are trying something new on the Fish Stripes podcast,

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Speaker 1: Eli Susman here being joined by Ethan Badski to focus

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Speaker 1: on pittures, specifically starting pitchers within the Miami Marlins organization.

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Speaker 1: After years years of rebuilding trades and overhauling the player

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Speaker 1: development standards, the Fish have an enviable stock pile of

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Speaker 1: talented potential starters. It can be tough to split hairs

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Speaker 1: between them, to distinguish between who you trust most, who

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Speaker 1: you like the most, all that stuff. But our objective

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Speaker 1: on this episode and of every episode of the series,

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Speaker 1: temporarily calling it Today's Aces, that's a working title. Today's

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Speaker 1: Aces is going to be a power ranking where we trust,

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Speaker 1: where we go through who we trust the most right

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Speaker 1: now on the mound to lead the Marlins to victory

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Speaker 1: in a hypothetical must win game. Are you ready, Ethan?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: I'm ready to You know, I love some of these

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Speaker 3: them for sure.

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Speaker 1: And we'll give the people the ground rules. I imagine

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Speaker 1: these will also evolve over time as well, but the

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Speaker 1: main starting point is that we're going to be ranking

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Speaker 1: our top six Marlins potential starting pitchers. The idea is

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Speaker 1: to bridge that gap between the conventional five man major

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Speaker 1: league rotation and the prospects, because that's always especially now,

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Speaker 1: that's such a big proponent of why people feel as

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Speaker 1: optimistic as they do about the Marlins, because aside from

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Speaker 1: whoever is in the major league rotation at a certain time,

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Speaker 1: there's another wave and multiple waves, you know, right below

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Speaker 1: them in the high levels of the miners that we

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Speaker 1: can envision having an immediate impact. So we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: giving our top six. You'll be doing your number six,

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Speaker 1: then my number six, your number five, my number five,

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Speaker 1: getting up to number one, and I'm sure there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some overlap there at this point. And just to

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Speaker 1: reiterate the big idea here is to focus on the

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Speaker 1: pitchers that give the team the best chance to win

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Speaker 1: today and to be in that situation to contribute today,

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Speaker 1: you can't be hurt, and that's an unfortunate risk that

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Speaker 1: you take as a pitcher. Once the season actually gets underway.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this on January twentieth, you know, still almost

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Speaker 1: a full month until the pitchers and catchers report, more

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Speaker 1: than two months until regular season games. So for the moment,

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Speaker 1: everybody is healthy, and that's why I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: this together now while everybody's healthy and before we get

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Speaker 1: a little too thrown out a whack by what happens

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Speaker 1: during spring training. We get our current thoughts. If everybody

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Speaker 1: is on a level playing field, imagining a must win game,

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Speaker 1: it's a neutral ballpark. You're going against a lineup, a

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Speaker 1: lefties facing right E's teamed up with a catcher that

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Speaker 1: isn't of your choosing, with a defensive alignment that you

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Speaker 1: can't customers, It's all about trying to judge the picture

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Speaker 1: as independently as possible. Laying it out this way, it

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Speaker 1: just ignores some of the politics that goes into putting

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Speaker 1: it at any particular moment, the team isn't always able

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Speaker 1: are guys that deserve to be up sooner than they

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Speaker 1: when they're struggling. And by expanding this to a top six,

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Speaker 1: and who's not. We break down those barriers. We see

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Speaker 1: through the BS in terms of the team. Even if

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Speaker 1: we believe in this front office overall, you know, there

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Speaker 1: And I think that's what's gonna make this pretty valuable

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with that, and especially because some

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Speaker 2: So I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And ultimately idea is to put together a type

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody has their own takes on this stuff,

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Speaker 1: of their pro career so far. Well, have you lead off?

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Speaker 3: I've been talking about these guys for you know, years now,

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Speaker 2: A prospect that I love.

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Speaker 3: But the first guy that I want to talk about today,

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Speaker 3: You'll know that I'm obsessed with Edward Cabrera. He's got,

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Speaker 3: The way he jumped off the page in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: So this is I'll get into this in a second.

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Speaker 3: But he's a guy that he still needs some time.

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Speaker 3: Biggs and Eddie needs some fine tuning. But his come

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Speaker 3: was a little bit weary about putting him on this

438
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: list is because I think he'll probably start He should

439
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: at least start in the miners this year unless he

440
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 3: has a really, really good it really impresses in the spring.

441
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 3: But I loved what I saw from him in the

442
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 3: in the league this year. You know, last year in

443
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 3: Jupiter he was great. He had a two point five

444
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 3: three e R, a two point seventy four FIP, and

445
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 3: then a one point one zero whip. So I've been

446
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: high on Rogers for a while now. I've been so

447
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: impressed with his strikeout numbers in the miners, and they

448
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: translated to the bigs. He was getting a lot of

449
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 3: swing and miss, like I said, on the fastball, but

450
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: also on the off speed stuff, and the big the

451
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 3: big league hitting just kind of caught up to him

452
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, he had some command issues.

453
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: He was couldn't you know. Guys were taking his pitches

454
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: a lot, and he was his walks were way up

455
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: from where they were in the minors.

456
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 2: But I'd like Trevor a lot.

457
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 3: I think he's a very very good prospect out of

458
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: the two lefties in the minor leagues. I'm probably higher

459
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: on him than Bras because he throws harder. But I

460
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: think he is the left the lefty in the Marlins

461
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: system right now, because one, they don't have.

462
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 2: One at the big league level if I'm correct.

463
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 3: And two, yeah, like I said, out of the two

464
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: lefties that kind of go together in my mind.

465
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, they were drafted back to back years, and they're.

466
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: Always pretty much ranked right next to each other on

467
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 3: prospect lists. I'm a little bit higher on Trevor, and

468
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: so I felt pretty good about him every time he

469
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: gave him the ball in in in uh you know,

470
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 3: when he was up this year, and so i'd feel

471
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: good about him going out there.

472
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Now we're on the same page with Trevor. He's number

473
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: five on my ranking as well, and just the surface

474
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: stats six to eleven ERA in a super short rookie season,

475
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: and the fit tell's a better story. The four point

476
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: three to three right around league average. But when you

477
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: were watching him, and I think anybody could agree watching him,

478
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: he even seemed more impressive than that, And so you

479
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: dig a little bit deeper, and what I think represents

480
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: his performance a little bit more is his expected weighted

481
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: on base, which is a stat that comes from stat

482
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: Cast that they've been monitoring the last handful of years,

483
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: a two seventy eight expected weighted on base where league

484
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: average is about three twenty. He was well better than

485
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: league average in his way down base and even when

486
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: guys put balls in play more often than not, they

487
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: were just hits that were finding holes in the defense.

488
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: That again, this is stuff that's outside of his control.

489
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: Just digging a little deeper in terms of what he

490
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: can control. The sequencing of when those hits happened was

491
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: kind of unlucky, Like there were some big crooked numbers

492
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: put up against him that if you just spread out

493
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: those those base runner so over a larger sample of

494
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: endings than he would have been a lot more effective

495
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: in you know, the run prevention department. That, yeah, just

496
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: by watching him so impressive more so than anything. I mean,

497
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: the fastball, not just the vell as you mentioned the

498
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: vello is better than advertised, but also the commands was

499
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: better than advertised. Of that, so many strikeouts that he

500
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: had looking on the corners perfectly at the knees. It was, Yeah,

501
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: you rarely see that. I mean, frankly, even from some

502
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: of these guys ahead of him on the list that

503
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I trust their fastball command.

504
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: It's not just saw from him in that limited sample.

505
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: Got his feet wet a little bit. In the postseason,

506
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: he got that one relief appearance at the End's kind

507
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: of in mop up duty. But that's better than nothing

508
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: if you actually want to know what switch out from

509
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: him in the most high pressured of situations. But that's

510
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: all I have to say about him. He was more

511
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: impressive than the stats would indicate, and I think just

512
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: really pleasant surprise from twenty to twenty.

513
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 3: So I just want to follow up on the bad

514
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: luck factor that you're talking about with him, and he

515
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: did have a lot of it. I was gonna mention

516
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 3: that just from watching his starts, But he had a

517
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: three eighty babbit batting average on balls and play, which

518
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 3: is really high, which suggests that he either had some

519
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: lack of defense behind him or he just had some

520
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: bad luck where guys were just finding holes. And but overall, yeah,

521
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: I was surprised that the stats were that high. Like

522
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: you said, the FIP tells a little bit better story.

523
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: I feel like he was pretty league average for the

524
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 3: most part, which for a guy that had never pitched

525
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: above double A and we didn't expect to see in

526
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: the Biggs this year, league average was really good. And

527
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: that strikeout number is extremely impressive. So I'm very high

528
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: on Trevor, very high.

529
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead with number four, all right.

530
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: The next guy is a guy that we talked about recently,

531
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: Eli because of the article that I just wrote for

532
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: Fish Stripes that out about Adam Otovino. But this is

533
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 3: Eliezer Hernandez, and I didn't realize how impressive Eliezer.

534
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: Well.

535
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: Last year. His numbers were really really good.

536
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: He had a three point one six e RA, a

537
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 3: eleven point nine to two case er nine. He only

538
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: had six starts. But this is a guy that he's

539
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: on the Marlins roster now and I've floated him around

540
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: there at around out there as a trade piece because

541
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: he has value. But while he's here, take advantage of

542
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 3: the fact that he's been pretty solid. He was really

543
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: good last year, really really impressive last year. And you know,

544
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how he factors into the long term plans.

545
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he does. I think the Marlins are

546
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 3: going to kind of want to go He was a

547
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 3: Rule five pick, right. I think that the Marlins are

548
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: gonna kind of want to go younger and and go

549
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 3: more towards their prospects. He's only twenty five, but I

550
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: feel like they want to go towards these in house

551
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 3: guys that they've been grooming more. So it might leave

552
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: him kind of on the outskirts. But while he've got him,

553
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: Like I said, while you've got him, you might as

554
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: well take advantage because he's been great and he was

555
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: big in some big games this year, and so I

556
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: think they've got a nice piece to just kind of

557
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: keep some stability in the rotation if they want it

558
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: right now where they could move him because he has

559
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 3: a lot of trade value, or they could keep him

560
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: and he could be very valuable to your rotation. So

561
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: it's a good piece to have in the rotation right now.

562
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: To two and he got him up in a way

563
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Wanshoto rare strikeout.

564
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: I assumed that you would have him even lower because

565
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: of how excited you are to trade him, like you

566
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: almost every proposal that I guess this states back to

567
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: probably during the season. I mean it's not just you, you know,

568
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: it's some other fans as well that they're just like

569
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: waiting for him to come back down to earth, and

570
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: they kind of seem want to get rid of him

571
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: before that happens. He doesn't have that, he doesn't have

572
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: that big fastball. I mean, that's the one thing that

573
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: stands out is in terms of vel compared to everybody else,

574
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: Like even in this discussion, I mean, it's kind of

575
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: from the same realm as Nick Knier, but Nick Knider

576
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: is more polished pitcher overall. I mean, the big breakout

577
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: with Elaser was with his slider starting in twenty nineteen

578
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: actually where I mean that season was more up and down,

579
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: but he was finally able to get swings and misses

580
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: with that, and he really put it together during limited

581
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: time in twenty twenty. He's the one guy here that

582
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: is coming off an injury, but that was five months ago,

583
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: and when asked about it, that was with a latin muscle.

584
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: It was nothing structurally wrong, no surgery, And when Kim

585
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: Ang was asked about this a couple months ago, she

586
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: already said that they don't have any linkering injuries from

587
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: the season that he's going to be good to go,

588
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: and so that's why he's eligible for this, even though

589
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: he ended the regular season on the il. But I mean, yeah,

590
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: to me, he is pretty yeah this part of the

591
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: It was really tough for me to split hairs because

592
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: he's a lot different from someone like Trevor Rodgers, obviously

593
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: stylistically in terms of his lack of prospect pedigree and

594
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: in terms of his velo. Honestly, the one thing holding

595
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: him back, because I mean last year an era in

596
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: the low threes strucking out his strikeout rate was almost

597
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: as high as Trevor's, was that the performance was really

598
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: great and he actually got the results to kind of

599
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: back it up. I mean, the one thing that holds

600
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: it back for me is that this lingering issue he

601
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: has that I think the Marlins are attributing it to

602
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: a blister that develops on his fingers every time he

603
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: makes a start. Like people notice that even when he

604
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: was pretty dominant in some starts his past year, that

605
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: they did not trust him to go three times through

606
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: the order. They didn't trust him to go deep into games.

607
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: He hasn't pitched into the seventh inning with the Marlin.

608
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: He's been on the major league roster last three years

609
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and he hasn't pitched into the seventh inning and he

610
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: start career high just one hundred and one pitches. And

611
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: for the we just don't know if there's gonna be

612
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: anything they can do to really resolve that, or if

613
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: there's any adjustments he can make about that. And so

614
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: for me, that does put a little bit of limit

615
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: on exactly what you would get for him in any

616
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: individual game, right, because if we're looking at this.

617
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: In terms of.

618
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: In your getting five to six innings, and those are

619
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: good innings, you know what I mean, he had a

620
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: lot of starts where it was five or six and

621
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: then you know, you'd have to turn it over the pen,

622
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: and with the way that it was in twenty twenty,

623
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: the pen was taxed all the time.

624
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've I'm really impressed with him. I think

625
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: there's something sustainable here with this letter and also just

626
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he pounds his own He is right

627
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: up there at the top of the league in terms

628
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: of pitches that he actually throws in the strike zone,

629
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: and that can get him in trouble with home runs.

630
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a mixed track record with actually

631
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: keeping the ball in the park. All things considered, though,

632
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good. I'm not as eager to

633
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: trade him as some other people are, but I understand

634
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: both sides. But I'm hopeful that they hold on to

635
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: him for a little while longer because he's he's legit,

636
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: he's really solid.

637
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: I'll say here that I'm not as hope I'm not

638
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: necessarily eager to trade him with the way that I

639
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: was with Caleb, because I saw Caleb, I saw the

640
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: crash down to Earth coming a little bit. I just

641
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: think we need bats, and we need an impact bat.

642
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: And so when Eliezer has the value that he does,

643
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: where he can be included in a trade for an

644
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: impact bat, that's that's just where you know, my tendency

645
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: to include him in trades is is because there are

646
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: a lot of options out there where you're looking at

647
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: it and you're looking at, Okay, what could this you know,

648
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: what what would this deal kind of look like? And

649
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: everything kind of involves Eliezer, you know what I mean?

650
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: Like even Ben and Tendee, you know, there are the

651
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: rumors about Ben and Tendy where they say, oh, they

652
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: want a bad and a picture you know they want.

653
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: The only reason you say, well, you know you wouldn't

654
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: say laser is because it said that they want a

655
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: non forty man pitch or whatever, so they want to

656
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: go young with their pitching. But that could be another

657
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: deal where you could, you know, because of the value

658
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: that he has, where he can lock down a fourth

659
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: or fifth spot in the rotation, you know, eat some

660
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: innings for you.

661
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Like you said, there is the you know.

662
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: The issue with longevity, but he can get you five

663
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: or six really good innings. And like you said, said,

664
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: you know he had six starts to see he only

665
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: had one decision, so you know that's either him not

666
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: going very long or not getting to the point of

667
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: the game where the game is decided. So but I

668
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 3: think he's solid enough to hand him the ball. And

669
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: if you have you know, if you can get him six,

670
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: you need three guys out of the pen, seven, eight, nine,

671
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, if all goes well.

672
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: So is he your number four? Is he not on

673
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: your list?

674
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: No, he's number four. I mean we halfway through these lists.

675
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: We're calling this working title for this the series to

676
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Aces opens here suggestions to fans in terms of what

677
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: you guys want to call this, but yeah, our pitchers

678
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: that we trust most must win game right now. Halfway

679
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: through Ethan with number six Edward Cabrera, number five, Trevor Rodgers,

680
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: number four, Eliezer Hernandez and for me number six Max Meyer,

681
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: number five Rogers and number four Eliezer. So we're halfway through.

682
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Heading back to you. For number three, I imagine that

683
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: we have the same three at the top, but we'll

684
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: see exactly what order those guys are in.

685
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 3: So I'm curious to see if we agree on number three,

686
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: because I feel like number one is probably the same,

687
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: and then number two and three might be able to

688
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: play around with. But the guy, even though he was

689
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: tremendous in the playoffs this year in two starts, I

690
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: thought he was really really good in two starts this year,

691
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Sandy at number three. And it's just

692
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: because he gets a little wild sometimes, and like I said,

693
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: he was he was great in Chicago. Let me see

694
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: if I can find the numbers on the playoffs. He

695
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 3: was great in Chicago. I was so impressed with how

696
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: he did in Chicago in that in that playoff game,

697
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: and he was pretty good against Atlanta too, and and

698
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: he is. He is the ace of this staff. So

699
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 3: it sounds weird to say, you know, in a mess

700
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 3: win game that he wouldn't give the ball to your ace.

701
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: But like I said, he just gets a little wild

702
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: and gets knocked around sometimes. Against Atlanta he had you know,

703
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: he let up eight hits in five runs. They you know,

704
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: they jumped on that fastball. They got to him. They

705
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: knocked him around pretty good. You know, Acunya took him

706
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: deep or whatever. But you know against Chicago, six point

707
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: two innings, six and two thirds innings, three hits, one run,

708
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: you know, four strikeouts. He had eight strikeouts against the Braves.

709
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: And and.

710
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: I would have him higher if I trusted his command

711
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: day in and day out more. I'm so high on Sandy.

712
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: His stuff is electric. He was so great at times

713
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: this year, even coming you know, coming back from dealing

714
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: with COVID nineteen.

715
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, his road number is better than his own numbers.

716
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: Another strikeout of Stanton Love Sandy, And I think that

717
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: right now, I would say he's the.

718
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: Ace of the staff.

719
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 3: But there are just two guys that I would trust

720
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more on the mound in a must

721
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: win game, and they were actually guys that I wanted

722
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 3: the Marlins to go to, but Sandy proved me wrong.

723
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: He was really really good against Chicago, and he was

724
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: I thought. I think that line that he had against

725
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: the Braves was a little harsh because it felt like

726
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: he pitched a lot better than that. It felt like

727
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: he pitched a lot better than an eight hit, five

728
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 3: run games. So but I love what we saw from

729
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: Sandy this year, and he should lead the staff going

730
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: into this next season. I want to see him get

731
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 3: the ball on opening day. He was the opening day

732
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: starter this past season, and I hope he is again

733
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: this year.

734
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that Braves game, there were a few inherited

735
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: runners that they let in. I mean that was a

736
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: game that Jeamy Garcia finally came back down to earth

737
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: after that amazing season he put together. Yeah, he just

738
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: choked in that situation, and that was with I think

739
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: he took over with a couple guys in scoring position

740
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and they came around to score. So yeah, even in

741
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: that second second playoff start, he was he pretty much

742
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: did his job. And you said it in terms of

743
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: a guy that keeps proving us wrong. I mean, I'm

744
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: definitely someone that I remember pretty deep into twenty nineteenth

745
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: season feeling that he should get sent down to Triple A.

746
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: That he was he had all this great stuff, but

747
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: he was not harnessing it. He was not missing bats,

748
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: and I just I thought he needed some tinkering midway

749
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: through that twenty nineteen season, and he made those adjustments.

750
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say he did tinker.

751
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: He tinkered a little bit with the way he was

752
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: approaching hitters.

753
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: There's a pretty clear line to me, right at the

754
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: end of July in twenty nineteen. It was actually after

755
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: that he named him an All Star, And it was

756
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: actually not only until after the All Star Game that

757
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: I felt he really locked in. I mean, there's a frankly,

758
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: it's been That's That's the thing about him is that

759
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: he since then the last couple months of twenty nineteen,

760
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: all throughout twenty twenty, that he's going to give you something, Representatives,

761
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna help, he's going to contribute something. He doesn't

762
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: get crushed. He doesn't get crushed anymore. He always has.

763
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: He has a great way of composing himself in rough situations,

764
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: and of course he has that amazing v low and

765
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: sinking movement on his fastball. That is able to repeatedly

766
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: keep the ball on the ground. That's something that is

767
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: I think pretty sustainable, even though he's someone that the

768
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: stats don't fully back up what he's been doing. He's

769
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: a guy that throughout his career the FIP is a

770
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: lot higher than the era first career, it's like eight

771
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: tenths of a run difference between the three seven to

772
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: one era the four four nine FIP out. But he's

773
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a guy that, to me, is going to continue to

774
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: overperform what that says because of the way that his

775
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: stuff moves, and I'd say more so than anybody else

776
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: in the high levels of the organization. He does have

777
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: a deep pitch mix. It's the sinker, He's able to

778
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: throw a four steamer as well. It's multiple raaking balls,

779
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: both a slider and an occasional curve. And the change up.

780
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: The changeup is nasty. I mean, his change up is

781
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: as hard as Eliezer's fastball. That's something that regularly gets

782
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: over ninety and has amazing dip to it, and he's

783
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: able to especially this past season, smaller sample size, but

784
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: he was missing more bats than ever before this year

785
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: or more so, like if you really dig into it.

786
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: He was always missing bats before, but this time he's

787
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: actually converting them into strikeouts. And that's something that is

788
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: a really fascinating thing to study in terms of when

789
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: you can actually get those whiffs with two strikes when

790
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: they actually are really really important. And he just continues

791
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: to really really impress me. He is the most experienced

792
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: guy in the organization right now, which is crazy to think.

793
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: About it, which is crazy. It is crazy. It is crazy.

794
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, eli I actually, funny enough,

795
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: did a paper for a class about Sandy and the

796
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 3: way he changed when he started tunnel using that sinker more,

797
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: and how he was one type of picture when he

798
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: wasn't using the sinker a lot, and then he was

799
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: a completely different type of picture when he started using

800
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: the sinker a lot, and he was getting more.

801
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: Swings and misses.

802
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: And we were all concerned about the fact that Stanny's

803
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: got this big stuff and he's just, you know, supposed

804
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: to be this big strikeout picture because of the high

805
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 3: v low and the good slider, and when he first

806
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: came up with the Marlins, he wasn't getting a ton

807
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: of swings and miss but I just kept saying, it's

808
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: working you know, it doesn't matter how it happened.

809
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: It was working in in you know, in twenty eight.

810
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen when he had that full year and

811
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: he had those couple starts, you know, he had the

812
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: complete game and then I think he had a.

813
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Did he pitch two complete games that year?

814
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: I know he threw a maddox once, which was the

815
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: craziest thing to the.

816
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: Two complete games?

817
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, two shutouts, Sandy Algont throw a maddox. Yeah, he

818
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: had two complete game shutouts that year. And I just

819
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: said that it doesn't matter. He's one of those guys

820
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: where it shouldn't work because he, you know, was they

821
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: putting the ball in playout and it was hard contact,

822
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: but it just does somehow. I don't know how. But

823
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter because he gets the results and he was.

824
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: He was really good this year.

825
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: And and like you said, the strikeouts went from his

826
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: k per nine twenty nineteen, why a full thirty two

827
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: game season was six point eight nine and in twenty

828
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: twenty was eight point three six. So that's a that's

829
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: a big improvement and that's something the Marlins will be

830
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: looking for. And that's that sinker is a pitch that

831
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: was getting a ton of swing and miss, and it

832
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: was really that was what did it for him. That

833
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: was the adjustment that he made, and it was right,

834
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: like you said in July, it was right when that

835
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: was right when he started using it more. It correlates,

836
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: I remember because I did this paper on but that

837
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: was exactly when it correlated with the increased sinker usage

838
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: and the increased results.

839
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm such a believer now in Sandy in terms of

840
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: the results in the recent consistency and the intangibles for

841
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: what those are worth. That he's not number three, he

842
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: is higher on the list for me, my number three guy.

843
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

844
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: And this is the toughest decision on the list for me,

845
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: between Sandy and my number three guy, who is Pablo.

846
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Pablo Lopez. I was super I was as high as

847
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: could be on Pablo entering twenty twenty. I predicted he'd

848
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: be the best picture in the rotation, the most valuable

849
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: picture in the rotation. And he was. I mean mainly

850
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: because he just stayed healthy the whole year. He avoided COVID.

851
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's not really any skill in that.

852
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: He just got kind of lucky. But it was a

853
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: career year for him in twenty twenty, I mean for

854
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: his career overall, a four to four seven ERA, a

855
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: four point zero three FIP, but way better than that.

856
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: Both departments during twenty twenty got way more. He took

857
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: a page out of Sandy's books. He got even more

858
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: ground balls than Sandy did in twenty twenty. A big

859
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: part of that being his change up. He's had a

860
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: great change up ever since he came up, and he

861
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: started using it more and it was really successful for

862
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: him in terms of gang ground balls, missing a few

863
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: more bats than ever before. He pitched once in the postseason,

864
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: and he did pretty well against the Braves. I mean,

865
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: he had the best start out of anyone in that series,

866
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: even though they ended up losing that game, getting swept

867
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: in the series. So he got that experience under his belt.

868
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: He can't say enough about him, his intangibles and his

869
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: character and how much how important he is to the clubhouse.

870
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just the nicest person you got ever

871
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: think of, and someone that doesn't quite have the same

872
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: potential as the same raw stuff as Sandy, or as

873
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: six to Do or as some of the other guys

874
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: who've already, but he is He's really clever, and he

875
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: puts a lot of effort into into getting the most

876
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: out of his stuff and put together amazing game plan

877
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: to maximize his success. Like he's the guy that you

878
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: would hope I mean, he's one that technically was not

879
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: part of this rebuilds. He was already here acquired a

880
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: final few months before the ownership change. Uh, And I

881
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: hope that they.

882
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: I still consider him.

883
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: I still kind of consider him part of that rebuild

884
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: because that was kind of the you know, Lauria and

885
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: all of them were kind of on the way out,

886
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 3: and that was kind of when Mike Hill was allowed

887
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: to just really do his thing, and I thought he

888
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: did a great job at the end.

889
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: There, you know, that was in that.

890
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 3: Flurry of trades where like he was he in the

891
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 3: de Gordon trade or was he in the that was.

892
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: The David Phelps trade? David Phelps, right.

893
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: They were both the Mariners.

894
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: So Phelps went to the Mariners and got Pablo, and

895
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: then Dee went to the Mariners and got Nidered.

896
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: But I remember, you know, when Pablo over thinking that.

897
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: He was a five or a four or a swing arm,

898
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: kind of I see him as a as a three

899
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: going forward, if if you know, maybe he gets bumped

900
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 3: down because you know, you you look at the Marlins

901
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: having Sandy and six Dow and Eddie, maybe he gets

902
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: bumped down to that four spot. But I think on

903
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: a team with less pitching depth, you could look at

904
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: Pablo as a two or three and and like you said,

905
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: it's his composure.

906
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know if you were.

907
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 3: Done talking about him before I go into He's he's

908
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: next on my list, He's number two And the reason

909
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: that I have him over Sandy is because of the

910
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: intangibles that you talked about. I almost put him number one,

911
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: because I actually wanted him in game two in Chicago,

912
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: because I looked at it as either either up and

913
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 3: you go to him to shut it down. You're either

914
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: you're up one nothing and you're you give it to him,

915
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 3: or you're down one nothing, you're down oh one, you

916
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: give him the ball and get to that game three

917
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: where you can give the ball to six Dough and say,

918
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: here you go, kid, you know this is your moment,

919
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: show us what you got and and go out swinging.

920
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 3: And I actually wanted Pablo in game two, and I

921
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: kind of wanted Pablo in game two against Atlanta. I

922
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 3: didn't like that we put him on the mound down

923
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: down to nothing already, because that's serious. But let's face it,

924
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: that serious. You know, once six dough blew up and everything,

925
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: that series was over.

926
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I've got.

927
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: Him at number two because of that demeanor that he

928
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: has and his improve change up his case. His case

929
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: per nine went up from seven point six eight to

930
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: nine point twenty six last season, and his e r

931
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: A dipped. His f i P was actually about zero

932
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 3: point six lower than his e r A it was.

933
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: He had a three point six one r A and

934
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: a point nine to FIP. I'm bad at math, so

935
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: somebody can do that for me. But he he was

936
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: really really good. Like you said, he was the best

937
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: pitcher that the Marlins had this year. He's kind of

938
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: the anchor of the staff right now. You know what

939
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna get when he's out there every night. You

940
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: know you're gonna get really good innings. And you talked

941
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: about that Atlanta game. Five innings, three hits, two runs,

942
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: seven strikeouts, no walks. That's just a day in the life,

943
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: you know, for him.

944
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: So he struck out so three times three times in

945
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: that game.

946
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: He struck out of Yeah, I remember, yeah, we we

947
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 3: we needed that one.

948
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: So very very impressed with what with the twenty twenty

949
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 2: that he Yeah.

950
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: Final couple thoughts on Pablo. Why I have him Sandy

951
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: It's won the consistency. I think if you draw that

952
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: line for Sandy back to August of twenty nineteen, the

953
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: consistency is ridiculous, and with Pablo it's it's also pretty good,

954
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: but not quite the same. I think there are situations where, yeah,

955
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: he's just too hittable. He's a guy that does throw strikes,

956
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: but he's too hitable. I don't The ground ball rate

957
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: did spike up a lot last year, but I'm not

958
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: totally sold on that being part of his profile moving forward.

959
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be more susceptible to home

960
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: runs than Sandy. And the other thing is the splits.

961
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: What he throws with Chad Wallack, he is awesome, and

962
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean the one particular thing that they do together

963
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: is they do suppress home runs. Forty two innings during

964
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: the regular season that he's thrown with Chad Wallack, he's

965
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: allowed one home run and forty two innings. But when

966
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: he could, when he paired up with anybody else. I

967
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: mean that's when some of these blow ups happen, whether

968
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: it's with Alfaro or also with you know, any other

969
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: number of catchers that are no longer with the organization

970
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: or more backup types that when the splits put with him,

971
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: when he throws with t Wallack versus everybody else, are

972
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: I think sort of significant. And if you're just looking

973
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: at the picture in a vacuum, someone that can unleash

974
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: the best version of himself no matter who he's working with,

975
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: that those splits and how dramatic they are kind of

976
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: give me a little bit of pause that in. I mean, ideally,

977
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: if you are having him pitch like a must win game,

978
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: then they probably are pairing him up with Chad Wallack.

979
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: But in terms of focusing on the individual as much

980
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: as possible and nothing else outside of that, that's where

981
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I discount him just a little bit for this exercise.

982
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: But we know where we're both going with number one,

983
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: So introduce us to six doercentitions.

984
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it was hard to pick him over Sandy

985
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: and just because they have more experience, but also it

986
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: wasn't this is the future ace of the my Marlins.

987
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: You're you're looking at him. You saw it from the

988
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: first start in Washington. You saw it with him right away,

989
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: just electric, electrifying. I haven't felt that way about watching

990
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: a Marlins pitcher since Jose Fernandez. Nobody has taken me captive.

991
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: Kicking the ball.

992
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't keep my eyes off of him when he

993
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: was on the mound. The way he conducts himself. He's

994
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: got that swagger that Jose brought to the position where

995
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: he's striking guys out and he's staring guys down, and

996
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's all over pitching Ninja. Rob Friedman

997
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: loves him because he's got these little struts in these

998
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: little you know, follow throughs that he does where he's

999
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 3: just saying, I'm better than you. I got you out.

1000
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: He was so impressive and his stuff is so electric,

1001
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 3: and he was very impressive against Chicago in what you

1002
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: could consider a must win game. You know, when he

1003
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 3: went out and he shut them, he shut them out. Sorry,

1004
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Fangraft's not the game log here.

1005
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: He shut them out in Chicago and kept them off

1006
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: the board in a playoff game as a rookie. You know,

1007
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: he wasn't supposed to be in the Bigs at that

1008
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: point at five five innings, four hits, no runs, two walks,

1009
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 3: six k's. Everything that we heard about him was true,

1010
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: exceptional command, electric stuff. The fastball, you know, with the

1011
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: with the way it sinks and it dives and it moves,

1012
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: and the velocity that he has on it. The curve

1013
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: ball is coming along, the slider was getting a ton

1014
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: of swings and missus and that change up is just

1015
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 3: pure and utter filth. I mean, it's running up there,

1016
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, ninety and above, and it's dotting, it's painting

1017
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: corners and getting guys to miss Electric is I keep

1018
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 3: going back to an electric, but it's really the word

1019
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 3: for him. He is electrifying. Every time he takes the mound.

1020
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: You have to keep an eye on him, and I

1021
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: it was crazy that, you know, Pablo was probably what

1022
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: I felt best about because you knew what you were

1023
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: gonna get with him, and with six though, you were

1024
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: always a little cautious that maybe he could blow up

1025
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: because he's a rookie, and he never really did.

1026
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 2: Except for I guess that Braves. He had a couple

1027
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: bad starts against the Braves. The Braves kind of figured

1028
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 2: him out, and the Nationals had a start.

1029
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: You know, there was a start against the Nationals where

1030
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: they kind of knocked him around, But other than that,

1031
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: people couldn't figure him out.

1032
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: And he is.

1033
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 3: Gonna be the ace going forward. I feel very confident

1034
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 3: in saying that he you know, can be cemented. I there,

1035
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, nobody really knows a hundred he's gonna he

1036
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: should be there on opening A. I don't think there's

1037
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 3: reason to send him back to Triple A.

1038
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1039
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: I think the things that he needs to work on

1040
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: in terms of the fact that he got knocked around

1041
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: by guys that had seen him a second time, the

1042
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: lineups that had seen him a second time, the Nationals

1043
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: got to him when they saw him again, and the

1044
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 3: Braves got to him when they saw him again. I

1045
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: think that's something that comes with being in the big

1046
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: leagues and you just work on, you know, as you

1047
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: become more experienced. So I'm this guy where we we

1048
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 3: got great one. And you know, if the Phillies don't

1049
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 3: end up keeping j T, which you know, all all

1050
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: of a sudden now, it might be more lucky that

1051
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: you know it, if there might be Sorry, I lost

1052
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: my train of thought for a second, Uh, it's looking

1053
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: more likely that they could keep him. But if they don't,

1054
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: you know, the Marlins, what an unbelievable job they did

1055
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: turning a great player into their future ace.

1056
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: And he is just that.

1057
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: He h same as you. It's difficult to compare with

1058
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: the previous two guys because of the less major league experience.

1059
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean what jumps out to me the most among

1060
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you covered a lot of it with what

1061
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: you said already. The other particular thing for this exercise

1062
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: is just how amazingly efficient he is with his pitches

1063
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: in most cases. And this is something that really jumped

1064
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: out to me back in twenty nineteen at Double A,

1065
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: where he was totally for someone his age back then.

1066
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: And I mean this is even more so in the

1067
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: major leagues, being a lot younger than his competition and

1068
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: yet being able to be so efficient on average played

1069
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: appearances against them three pitches three and a half pitches

1070
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: per played appearance opponents. He gets through it so quickly

1071
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: in a variety of ways, whether it's missing bets, whether

1072
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: it's getting those cheap grounders he's he gets through things quickly.

1073
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: And if all the pressure is him on one game

1074
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: and you want to trust one guy to go deep

1075
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: into that game. I mean, he's probably the guy that

1076
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 1: can go deep because he doesn't he really doesn't waste pitches,

1077
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: and when he throws it outside the zone, he's usually

1078
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: getting you to chase at it, and so many of

1079
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: his pitches are actually in the zone itself. I mean

1080
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: during the regular season this past year, three four to

1081
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: six ERA and the fifth is almost identical. Three point fifty.

1082
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: The expected weighted on base it backs that up too.

1083
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: It's even better than Trevor Rodgers a two sixty two,

1084
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: where you know, league average is well over three hundred.

1085
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: That first start in the majors, people were impressed by

1086
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: his pure stuff, but he did allow two home runs

1087
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: in that start, and then the entire rest of the year,

1088
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: including the playoffs, just one total home run allowed. So

1089
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: if you want to look at guys that in almost

1090
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: any case, as long as he's keeping the ball in

1091
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: the ballpark, he's going to give you a chance to win.

1092
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: And he's able to do that with the unique pitch

1093
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: mix that he has and the amazing qualities of his

1094
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: stuff that he could keep the ball in the ballpark too,

1095
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: just like Sandy can. But even with a little more

1096
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: of that well grounded skill set than Sandy has, so

1097
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: he's extremely extremely impressive. It's the same. I mean, honestly,

1098
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: I guess it even more of a concern than Max

1099
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: Meyer being undersized relative to other starring pitchers in terms

1100
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: of height and also in terms of his actual level

1101
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: of fitness and exactly what kind of shape he is

1102
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: in that there's still some work to do there, and

1103
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: until he does that, I mean, that could get in

1104
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: the way of things like repeating your delivery and of

1105
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: course leaving you susceptible to injury. Until he takes the

1106
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: fitness more seriously. I mean, we're not that far removed

1107
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: from spring training twenty twenty, where he showed up fat.

1108
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean, not out of shape, he showed up fat.

1109
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: No, there's no other way to put it. He was fat.

1110
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: He was fat, yeah, and for that reason, for that reason,

1111
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: he did not pitch in spring training games in twenty twenty,

1112
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: because they said, you need to focus on your conditioning.

1113
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: That's your first, second, and third priority until you get

1114
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: into games. So he was like the only guy on

1115
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: the forty man roster that didn't appear in spring training games,

1116
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: not because the injury, but because of his conditioning. That's

1117
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: that's something when you talk about intangibles that we've gone

1118
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: to No, Sandy and Pablo really well to be fair

1119
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: to six, So we just don't know him quite as

1120
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: well due to the lack of major league experience. And

1121
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean this is a bias that goes against us,

1122
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: the fact that he's not fluent in English yet, that

1123
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: we just haven't gone to know him quite as well

1124
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: to understand those little nuances of who he is as

1125
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: a person and how that's going to play a role,

1126
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: and how he adjusts to adversity between starts, during starts,

1127
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: et cetera. That's a little bit more of a question

1128
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: mark than the other guys. I mean, I think we've

1129
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: got it all covered with six Doh. Other thing that

1130
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: just sticks out to me that sort of outside the

1131
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: parameters of this exercise is, of course, how much hype

1132
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: he was getting almost immediately in his first few starts,

1133
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: the comparisons to Pedro Martinez, who's his idol, the actual

1134
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: relationship that he has formed with Pedro, actually having conversations

1135
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: with him on the air as well as privately, that

1136
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: Pedro has taken a liking to him. Pedro has been

1137
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: pretty effusive in his praise and going that comparison between

1138
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: the two has been made too much, and I see

1139
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: that as something that I want to keep an eye

1140
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: on that we don't treat him as a finished product,

1141
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: because I think you're pretty careful if you're wording there

1142
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: the future ace like moving forward. There's so much upside

1143
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: with him, and we could see some of that like

1144
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: manifesting itself as soon as this year. I mean, he

1145
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: could really break out as that star pitcher right now.

1146
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: But anyway you slices the overall body of work that

1147
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: we have so far, it's still premature. There's still more

1148
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: that he has to get a grip on. There was

1149
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: those few you can't totally wipe under the rug, some

1150
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: of those blow ups that he had in that last

1151
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: postseason start, that second time that he faced the Nationals.

1152
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: That's probably the most painful one, saying that start live

1153
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: against the Nats and how they were on it. They

1154
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: were on everything that he had. They were not missing

1155
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: that there there's still yeah, there are still days where

1156
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: he just he's still throwing hard, he's still mixing his pitches,

1157
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: but yet he doesn't have it like there's a there's

1158
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: still enough of an unknown about him that hopefully more

1159
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: experience is gonna take care of that, maybe just maturity

1160
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: will take care of that. That there's still some risk

1161
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: with him, some substantial risk, and there's still that separation

1162
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: between where he is now and that ultimate potential of

1163
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, being one of the faces of.

1164
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: All baseball again. I I you talked about it.

1165
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: The fact that it was the teams that have seen

1166
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 3: him twice scares me. The they game plan for him,

1167
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 3: and they figured him out, and they knocked him around.

1168
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: They knocked him around good, you know what I mean.

1169
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: They were hitting the ball and they were hitting it hard,

1170
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: and he didn't give up a lot of hard contact

1171
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: this year.

1172
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: He didn't.

1173
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: The ball didn't leave the ballpark against either of those teams.

1174
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: But you know, four hits against the Braves, four runs,

1175
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 3: four hits against the Braves, four runs, eight hits against

1176
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: the Nationals, five runs, and he you know, he had

1177
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 3: four walks against Atlanta and his last regular season started,

1178
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: he had three walks against Atlanta. In the postseason. He

1179
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: had two walks against Washington in this you know, the

1180
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: second time he faced them. But I saw him against Philly,

1181
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: and it jumps off the page.

1182
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: At you.

1183
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 3: But yeah, there, like you said, it's not finished yet.

1184
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: He shouldn't get the ball on opening day yet. I

1185
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: still would give it to Sandy, and I'd probably give

1186
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: it to Pablo on Opening Day before I give it

1187
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: to him right now. And you know, depending on if

1188
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 3: they the Marlins bringing a veteran starter, which I've been

1189
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: a proponent of, I'm not sure I would give it

1190
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 3: to him over whichever veterans starter they bring in because

1191
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: he's not polished yet. But we do have to acknowledge

1192
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: the fact that his hype has only increased. He moved

1193
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 3: up on MLB Pipeline.

1194
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: He was twenty.

1195
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: He was sitting around this twenty four to twenty six

1196
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: range for a while. He's now at nineteen. Baseball America

1197
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: ranked him as the number one overall pitching prospect. There's

1198
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: something to be said for that he was the number

1199
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: he's the number.

1200
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: Six overall prospect.

1201
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 3: He was ranked higher than Nate Pearson on Baseball America,

1202
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 3: and he was ranked number three on right hand on

1203
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: the right handed pitchers list by MLB Pipeline. So there's

1204
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: something to be said for how much hype he's getting.

1205
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: And it's something that we have to deal with I

1206
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to say Pedro yet his changeup is fantastic,

1207
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't say it's quite a Pedro change up.

1208
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: My buddy Ian Smith, who you guys have heard, you

1209
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: know when when we were on earning their stripes together,

1210
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: said Quato to Johnny Cuato. And I see that a

1211
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 3: lot more than I see Pedro, really, But I mean.

1212
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: He he's.

1213
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: Got it, and he's not quite there yet. He's not

1214
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: one of the best pitchers in the league yet. And

1215
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 3: maybeybe he does have that breakout year we're expecting and

1216
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: he goes on and wins Rookie of the Year, and

1217
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: it's very possible, but he has some growing to do.

1218
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 3: Like you said, he needs to come into camp and

1219
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: shape this year because he needs to throw in spring training.

1220
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 3: He can't take a spring training off because he's got

1221
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 3: to be ready for opening day, you know, to be

1222
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: in the rotation. I'm not saying he's gonna start on

1223
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: opening Day, but that just comes. He's twenty two, right,

1224
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: you know, it comes with the age, and he's got

1225
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: to get a little more mature. And I think that,

1226
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 3: like I said, that game planning where teams won't knock

1227
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,959
Speaker 3: him around a second time after seeing him, because there's,

1228
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: first of all, there's a lot of teams that haven't

1229
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 3: seen him period. You know, there's about let me count

1230
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 3: on two, three, four, five, six, there's twenty five, twenty

1231
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 3: three other teams in the league that haven't seen him

1232
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: at all. So there, you know, they're gonna see him

1233
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: for the first time, but then the Colorado Rockies are

1234
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: gonna see him again. And does he get knocked knocked

1235
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: around by the Colorado Rockies the second time he sees them.

1236
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 3: So I just think that comes with, you know, a

1237
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: full season and kind of getting into a rhythm as

1238
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: the season goes on, and obviously this season was so different,

1239
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: but getting into a rhythm, getting into a game plan,

1240
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: showing a different game plan on certain nights, and being

1241
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 3: able to work lineups in different ways, and I think

1242
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 3: that will come with time. For Sixto. It's not a concern.

1243
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 3: I'm not concerned about him at all. I have no

1244
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: concern over him. He was a rookie last year and

1245
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: he was probably even better than I could have expected.

1246
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: But there are right he's not there are still things

1247
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 3: he needs to work on. He's not one hundred percent

1248
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: ready yet. But when he is, he should and probably

1249
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 3: will be the ace of the Marlins rotation as.

1250
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: Long as the hype doesn't get to his head. As

1251
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 1: long as he yeh, keeps his head down and keeps

1252
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: working on the little things he's receptive to coaching and

1253
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: advice that he gets. He's I mean, even though they

1254
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: don't have at this moment, they don't have like a

1255
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: conventional veteran on the staff. And that's been like one

1256
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: of my gripes about the off season is they haven't

1257
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: gotten that classic veteran yet. But we've we've already covered

1258
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: Sandy and Pablo and how those guys are young veterans,

1259
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: the way the experiences that they've had and the way

1260
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: that they're wired. They are wired like guys that they

1261
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna help. They're gonna help if you let them

1262
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: help you.

1263
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 3: So especially especially Boblow with the way that he's just

1264
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: the nicest guy you've ever met. And doesn't it feel

1265
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: like this season, even though it was only sixty games,

1266
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 3: was kind of like two years, like you know what

1267
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Like that, I can't imagine how valuable it was.

1268
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 3: Like you said, they're young veterans because they've been through

1269
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: so much already, and they've had to be the leaders

1270
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: of the staff already. So six to oho is gonna

1271
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 3: have to be a leader on this staff if they

1272
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: don't go out and sign a veteran starting pitcher.

1273
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: Which I think they probably.

1274
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 3: Might, you know, somebody cheap, because they've got to find

1275
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 3: a fifth spot. They've got to find five. I'm not

1276
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: sure Rogers will be. You know, they've got four, I

1277
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 3: would say, And then are they ready to throw Rogers

1278
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 3: out there from the opening day rotation? I don't know so,

1279
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 3: but he's gonna have to be. Yeah, he's gonna have

1280
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 3: to be a leader of this staff, and and he's

1281
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: gonna learn quickly. And I think that going through the

1282
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 3: type of season that he did it should help him.

1283
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1284
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: Just it's gonna it's gonna be really exciting to see

1285
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: a playout. I guess one other reason, tho, why the

1286
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: timing of this first episode of these rankings, why I

1287
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: felt it was appropriate, is because I feel like we're

1288
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: at a point in the off season where the remaining

1289
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: starting pitchers out there, veterans in free agency. They're either

1290
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: going to cost too much money for the Marlins to sign,

1291
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: or the ones that they can afford. I'm not sure

1292
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna crack this top six. You know, they're guys

1293
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: that you could put in the opening day rotation and

1294
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: all the opening day roster and the majors, but that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're actually won the six most talented starters

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Speaker 1: in the organization.

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Speaker 3: And so that's why, right, let's say we signed Honeyball Sanchez.

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Speaker 3: You know he's had some great moments, but are you

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Speaker 3: sending you know, this version of Honeyball Sanchez out there

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Speaker 3: over six though?

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Speaker 1: No, you know, right, So we'll adjust accordingly. That's the

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Speaker 1: fun in this is that we adjusted that a lot

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Speaker 1: depending on how these events play out. Once again, the

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Speaker 1: working title of this or today's aces and our rankings

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Speaker 1: from one to six. For Ethan it was six Do Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: Pablo Lopez number two, Sandial Contra number three, eliots Or

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Speaker 1: Hernandez number four, Trevor Rodgers number five, and Edward Cabrera

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Speaker 1: number six. For me, we have a lot in common

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Speaker 1: also number one six do I have Sandy at number two,

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Speaker 1: Pablo at number three, Eliezer four, Trevor five, and Max

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Speaker 1: Meyer at number six. So we want to hear from

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Speaker 1: you all the listeners. If you're listening on your favorite

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Speaker 1: pod provider on our website, catching a little snippet of

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Speaker 1: this on social media. This exercise is pretty universal. Just

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Speaker 1: follow the basic ground rules. The guys that you trust

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Speaker 1: in a vacuum in they must win game. All the

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Speaker 1: pitching talent in this organization, there's a ton of it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to just see how this stuff

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Speaker 1: evolves over the course of the year. But this was

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Speaker 1: a good opportunity to do it while everybody's still healthy

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Speaker 1: and while there's still so much in our minds imagining

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Speaker 1: how this is going to look over the course of

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Speaker 1: a more normal year, hopefully soon under circumstances where you

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Speaker 1: can play safely in front of fans after not being

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Speaker 1: able to do that at all last year. That's another

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Speaker 1: variable that it's it's pretty hard to account for in

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Speaker 1: this exercise because all the recent pitching that we saw

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Speaker 1: from these guys in twenty twenty empty ballparks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and definitely we want I want to hear

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Speaker 2: from you guys. You know.

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Speaker 3: Follow me at my full name at Ethan Medowski on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: That's where I've been putting up a lot more of

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Speaker 3: my fish stripes content. Moving away from my other accounts

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Speaker 3: will follow me there and when I post up the

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Speaker 3: link to this pod, send me your six I want

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Speaker 3: to hear them for sure, because I feel like a

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Speaker 3: lot of them will be pretty similar. But maybe somebody's

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Speaker 3: got Bracs in there, maybe somebody got not. You know,

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Speaker 3: there are so many guys, like you said you you

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Speaker 3: said about eight or nine that you considered, and I

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Speaker 3: would say they were about that many as well, because

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Speaker 3: you know, Bras was left off, and Nier was left

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Speaker 3: off and Meyer was left off. So yeah, there, I

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Speaker 3: want to hear from you guys and kind of get

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Speaker 3: a feel for how the fan base feels about the

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Speaker 3: or you know, the totem poll of pitchers in this organization.

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Speaker 1: Take it out of the hands of the team, because

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Speaker 1: the team makes a lot of good choices, but some

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Speaker 1: that are a little questionable and some that aren't always

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Speaker 1: motivated in terms of winning right now. But that's the

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Speaker 1: mentality we want to have coming off of postseason appearance

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Speaker 1: year for the rebuilds. We want to put our minds

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Speaker 1: on the win now and exactly the best way to

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Speaker 1: utilize all these great players that they've compiled together together

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Speaker 1: in the organization. So for Ethan Podowski. I'm Eli Sussman.

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Speaker 1: Today's Aces version one for twenty twenty one. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: to your feedback. Check us out on this podcast feed

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Speaker 1: for a lot of other content. The rest of this offseason,

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Speaker 1: and of course once the games get started, will be

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Speaker 1: busier than ever. Thanks for the support and go Fish.