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Speaker 2: And we got a heads up on this late last

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Speaker 2: night that there'd be a ruling at ten o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 2: and here we are. Fourteenth Amendment Donald Trump can appear

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Speaker 2: on presidential ballots this year. This brings us back to

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Speaker 2: the case in Colorado and Greg's store by god us

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Speaker 2: with us at the table right now, having written the story,

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Speaker 2: filed it on the terminal, and here we are. It's

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Speaker 2: great to see you, Greg, Thank you for this.

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Speaker 1: Much.

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Speaker 2: Is a strangely busy day out of nowhere. How rare

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Speaker 3: Well, very rare to get a heads up over the

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Speaker 3: weekend that something is coming in. And this is a

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Speaker 3: ruling that normally when they issue rulings, they take the bench.

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Speaker 3: They weren't scheduled to take the bench today and they

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Speaker 3: weren't there. We just got the paper copy done in

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Speaker 2: Okay, so checking a box here. This is one we've

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Speaker 2: been waiting for. I mentioned the Colorado case, but there

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Speaker 2: were some other states who had taken him off the

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Speaker 2: ballot on these grounds. Does this nullify them all?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this essentially nullifies them all. There'll be some formalities

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump will be able to appear on presidential ballots

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. The grounds here were interesting because this had to

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Speaker 2: do with being an insurrectionist essentially, and it brought us

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Speaker 2: back to January sixth. Those who argued against it said

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Speaker 2: What did we learn about that underlying argument?

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Speaker 3: Well, we learned that the Court as a whole thinks

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Speaker 3: do to decide whether somebody is indeed an insurrectionist. And

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Speaker 3: that means that a state can't on its own say

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Speaker 3: we've concluded under our processes that he is an insurrectionist

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Speaker 3: That means he'll be on the ballot.

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Speaker 2: So it comes down to the definition then of an insurrectionist.

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Speaker 2: Many folks were pointing back to the Civil War which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and really like who decides in house it is

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Speaker 3: This was all about the process for deciding whether he

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Speaker 3: so far Congress hasn't done that.

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Speaker 2: This was originally the spirit of this was originally written

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, or at least from holding office. That was

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Speaker 2: Boy, all right, Now we're still waiting for a ruling

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Speaker 2: on presidential immunity that is separate. Everyone should be reminded.

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Speaker 2: This is with regard to Jack Smith's case that has

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Speaker 3: Well, we're not gonna have arguments in that until we

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Speaker 2: Well, even when the Supreme Court is acting in an

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Speaker 4: Greg Store.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, one case that people

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Speaker 2: Absolutely great to see you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: coming in the best Supreme Court reporter in the country.

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Speaker 2: For you there, mister Store, with us on Bloomberg to

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Speaker 2: get things started off. That's the phone call you make

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Speaker 2: when the news breaks like it did this morning. And

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Speaker 2: great to hear from Greg. One of these days or months,

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Speaker 2: we'll be talking about that immunity case as well as

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Speaker 2: we burrow down the whole here on another primary weekend

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Speaker 2: and ahead of Super Tuesday. Of course, great implications with

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Speaker 2: love this Republican strategist he's the owner of red Wave Communications. David,

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Speaker 2: it's good to see you as you kind of help

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Speaker 2: Before I start asking you about states and issues, David,

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Speaker 2: I want to just ask you about this this ruling quickly.

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Speaker 2: It's a box week in check. You glad you got

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Speaker 2: one thing you don't have to worry about now, the

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Speaker 5: Look, I mean this was always going to turn out

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Speaker 5: And I think Supreme Court got it right. You need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's one we can put to the side.

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Speaker 2: new there, David. What's new is Nicky Haley got one.

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Speaker 2: She won a primary. It's in the district of Columbia.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, from that standpoint, it's historic and it's a big deal.

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Speaker 5: But I think if there was any any contest she

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Speaker 4: To all of this.

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Speaker 5: You know, we started this back in Iowa, if you

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Speaker 5: remember on you know, on your set that night, and

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what's your thought on this. We were heading

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Speaker 2: not mathematically impossible, but maybe psychologically impossible for Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: is this her last? Dan?

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Speaker 5: I think so. Look, she gave it a heck of

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: I don't begrudge Nicky Haley for staying in. She's got

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Speaker 5: he won't be probably the mathematical nominee by tomorrow. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. That's a week from tomorrow. For those

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Speaker 2: may not abide by the pledge. I wonder, David if

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Speaker 2: would be. She was asked about this on Sunday morning

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Speaker 2: to Ronald McDaniel's gone. Does that give her cover?

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Speaker 5: Sure, I mean it's all transactional anyway. Everybody made that

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Speaker 5: on that argument and says, well, is he going to

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Speaker 2: special coverage Tomorrow night, Kayley and I will be with

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Speaker 2: of that ruling today, I don't think either of you

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis, do you agree with Republicans who say it's

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Speaker 2: a good thing because the people should be deciding elections,

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Speaker 2: not the court.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: First of all, yes, people should decide elections, not the court.

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Speaker 7: And if there are issues of insurrection, which in this

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Speaker 2: Your thought on this, Genie. Joe Biden has said repeatedly

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Speaker 8: And neither did I. I mean I wrote an editorial

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Speaker 7: Telling what her motivation is. I think we've talked about it.

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Speaker 2: There you have it. DC Primary Nikki Haley's sixty three

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's the one who took credit for stopping the

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Speaker 9: Yeah, might keep the government. I'm shutting down is probably

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Speaker 9: And of course, when Joe and I talked about Washington

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Speaker 9: Dave Record, great to have you on the show, sir.

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Speaker 9: Of course, you are running as a Republican in a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, you're absolutely right. I've run in districts. Of course,

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Speaker 6: I've looked at the race. I really believe that the

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Speaker 2: Mister Rekert, you were, of course a congressman, and I

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Speaker 6: I absolutely do. I have watched some of that discussion.

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Speaker 6: You don't really disconnect from that world after you leave it,

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Speaker 6: so you find yourself on c SPAN sort of following

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Speaker 9: Well, and of course speaking of still being involved in

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Speaker 9: Trump isn't even the Republican nominee. He's just a former

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Speaker 9: Republican president. And yet it's it's been proven that he

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Speaker 9: if you will, that there are some more Trump allied

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Speaker 9: do you present your campaign to both ends of that

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Speaker 9: spectrum of what the Republican Party is today? Is that

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Speaker 4: It is possible.

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Speaker 6: Fortunately, I've had the opportunity to work with President Bush

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Speaker 6: a lot of friends back in the House representatives and

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Speaker 6: also on the Senate side and from both parties. So

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Speaker 6: I think there's a great advantage in having those relationships

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Speaker 6: already built in Washington, DC as a member of Congress

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Speaker 6: for fourteen years, I think that being able to carry

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Speaker 6: our message of what Washington State needs and how we

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Speaker 6: want to move forward here in a way that's really

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Speaker 6: listening to every community here in Washington State and every

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Speaker 6: viewpoint which hasn't happened. The government that we've had in

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Speaker 6: Washington State for the last forty years really has shut

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Speaker 6: out the people of Washington State.

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Speaker 2: You referred to, I think your time in law enforcement

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Speaker 2: in your career before you were in the world of politics. Congressman,

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Speaker 2: you're a sheriff. You've been hearing Republicans criticize the city

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Speaker 2: of Portland on a regular basis, along with others including Seattle,

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Speaker 2: going back to a couple of years ago here, and

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you think the narrative surrounding crime in

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely accurate.

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Speaker 6: Accurate everywhere I go, and in the state of Washington,

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Speaker 6: this is the number one issue that's been brought up,

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Speaker 6: and that's crime and safety. People are worried about going

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Speaker 6: to work and even in going home, their kids, going

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Speaker 6: to school, and being safe. We are fifty first in

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Speaker 6: per capita protecting the citizens of Washington State. Fifty first,

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Speaker 6: including Washington DC. Seattle PD is four hundred people down.

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Speaker 6: Our crime rate in Washington State is actually is actually

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Speaker 6: increasing rather than decreasing. We're letting violent criminals out of

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Speaker 6: our state prison. So yes, I really believe my experience

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Speaker 6: in law enforcement is going to be very beneficial here

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Speaker 6: in this campaign. Look, I was a hostage negotiator when

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Speaker 6: I was in the Sheriff's office. I was also a

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Speaker 6: swat commander, So I know when to negotiate and I

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Speaker 6: know when to kick the damn door down.

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Speaker 4: It's time to kick the door down.

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Speaker 9: Well on needing to negotiate. Just finally, we have about

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Speaker 9: a minute left with you, sir. Even if you were

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Speaker 9: to win as a Republican governor, it's highly likely that

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Speaker 9: Democrats would still control the state legislature. How do you

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Speaker 9: get anything done in that scenario.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's absolutely true.

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Speaker 6: Do I fully anticipate working with House Democrats and Senate Democrats.

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Speaker 6: I think it really creates an opportunity here in the

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Speaker 6: And I think people here in Washington State actually want

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Speaker 6: a balanced government this time around. They want to see

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Speaker 6: that dialogue created. They want to see a conversation between

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Speaker 6: ideas and differing ideas to solve the problems that we're

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Speaker 6: facing today.

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Speaker 2: He's running for governor of Washington. The former Congressman Dave Reichert.

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Speaker 2: We thank you for the time congressman with us today

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Speaker 2: on Bloomberg, KAYLEA fascinating discussion as we look at another

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Speaker 9: Implications, absolutely, and a lot of the issues that he

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Speaker 9: the ballot this year, including of course twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 9: and we're going to have more on that.

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Speaker 2: Thirty alongside Kaylee lines. I'm looking forward to the State

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Speaker 2: of the Union here and what's just going to be

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Speaker 2: a wild week. We've got super Tuesday, Powell testimony, State

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Speaker 2: of the Union, and a potential shutdown at least the

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Speaker 2: beginning of one on Friday. But Kayleie, I wonder if

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Speaker 2: we're getting a better sense of the posture that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden will take, specifically on the issue of Israel in

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Speaker 2: this State of the Union address. Having heard from Kamala

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Speaker 2: Harris over the weekend, Joe Biden already said that Israel

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Speaker 2: has gone quote unquote over the top. I think was

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Speaker 2: his line when it comes to Israel's response in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: and Kamala Harris now the Vice President is calling for

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Speaker 2: an immediate ceasefire and did so in Selma, Alabama, a

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Speaker 2: day before she met with Israeli Minister Benny Gantz. Let's

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Speaker 2: listen to Vice President Harris from yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Given the immense scale of suffering in Gaza, there must

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Speaker 10: be an immediate ceasefire or at least the next six weeks,

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Speaker 10: which is what is currently on the tape.

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Speaker 2: A six week pause, Kayley, that would be a pretty

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Speaker 2: big deal, and of course BENJAMINETTYA who has made clear

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Speaker 2: that that's not going to happen until they get information

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Speaker 2: on hostages being held.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's exactly right. Doesn't seem like a ton of

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Speaker 9: forward progress is being made at this point in time,

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Speaker 9: but we wanted to really get a check on where

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Speaker 9: we stand, just why these conversations are so difficult. Joining

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Speaker 9: us now is Hgar Shimali. She has now founder and

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Speaker 9: CEO at Greenwich Media Strategies, but was former lead the

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Speaker 9: director for Syria and Lebanon at the National Security Council.

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Speaker 9: Hook are always great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 9: When we think about these these ceasefire talks, obviously it

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Speaker 9: is not just Israel and Hamasa is involved. There are

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Speaker 9: a number of intermediate air as well, Cutter, Egypt, the US.

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Speaker 9: Which party is bringing the difficulty to these talks? Is

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Speaker 9: this more on Israel's end or Hamas's end?

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Speaker 11: Oh, without a doubt, it's Hamas's end right now. The

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Speaker 11: latest proposal is a six week ceasefire that would be temporary,

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Speaker 11: it would include an additional amount of humanitarian aid brought

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Speaker 11: into the country, and it would include about the latest

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Speaker 11: numbers at least, though they shift on a daily basis,

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Speaker 11: are forty Israeli hostages who would be released for about

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Speaker 11: four hundred Palaestine prisoners. But like I said, those numbers

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Speaker 11: really do change on a day to day basis. But

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Speaker 11: they are still allegedly considering that that request, and they've

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Speaker 11: turned down the last two proposals that Israel was in

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Speaker 11: agreement to. So it's on the ball, is in Hamas's

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Speaker 11: court as we see it right now, and that is

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Speaker 11: really what Vice President Harris was honing in on. That

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Speaker 11: is what she was talking about. She was calling for

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Speaker 11: an immediate ceasefire, but that is what she was referencing.

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Speaker 11: She's referencing this deal that's on the table for six weeks.

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Speaker 11: She wants both parties to come to it immediately and

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Speaker 11: to include that the parts of the deal that include

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Speaker 11: a prisoner swap, prisoner hostage swap, and also humanitarian aid,

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Speaker 11: additional homilitarian aid going into Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Some reports that are say that Prime Minister Netanyah, who

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Speaker 2: wants to know about the hostages well being their condition

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Speaker 2: now and how many are still alive before moving forward,

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Speaker 2: Does Hamas have all of that information?

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Speaker 11: The Hamas that I know because I worked in counter

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Speaker 11: terrorism in the US government and Hamas was in my portfolio.

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Speaker 11: The Hamas, I know, should know that information and would

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Speaker 11: know that information because they have control over Gaza completely.

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Speaker 11: And even though you have other terrorist groups obviously of

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Speaker 11: Palstini in Islamic Shahad, which we know has taken hostages,

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Speaker 11: it doesn't mean that Hamas doesn't know where they are

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Speaker 11: or their or their state. It just means that it

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Speaker 11: may not be within their complete power to negotiate them

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Speaker 11: or to exchange them without incl tating other deals on

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Speaker 11: Islamacha Had is going to try and get something out

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Speaker 11: of that as well for themselves, and so that's really more.

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Speaker 11: I would never believe when Hamas says that they just

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Speaker 11: don't know the state of something, or they don't know

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Speaker 11: where someone is being held that I find that very

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Speaker 11: hard to believe. I understand that in a war zone

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Speaker 11: it could be it could be different, but they have

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Speaker 11: ways of communicating then, and technically this is a This

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Speaker 11: is an area that has always been under their thumb

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Speaker 9: So Hgar, you say that Hamas effectively has control over

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Speaker 9: everything in Gaza, So we should also keep that in

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Speaker 9: mind that it is Hamas's run health ministry in Gaza

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Speaker 9: that is reporting these figures. But we're not talking about

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Speaker 9: thirty thousand Palestinian deaths. And even now that the administration

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Speaker 9: seems to have ramped up its rhetoric, we just heard

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Speaker 9: Vice President Harris, they're talking about this as a humanitarian catastrophe.

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Speaker 9: Has the US reached this point too late?

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Speaker 11: This is really important. I'm glad you asked about this

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Speaker 11: reason the United States hasn't called for a permanent ceasefire,

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Speaker 11: and the reason that they still aren't calling for a

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Speaker 11: kind of gift to Hamas. They don't want to give

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Speaker 11: a seaspire without anything in exchange. For example, the hostage

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Speaker 11: is In particular, this could all end tomorrow if Hamas

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Speaker 11: gave all the hostages back and so that's what's holding

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Speaker 11: them back. But with the US, you can see, number one,

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Speaker 11: they've shifted their tone publicly, right, and you saw that

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Speaker 11: ever since the Jordanian King's visit where Biden came out stronger.

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Speaker 11: He said Israel's behavior has been over the top. He

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Speaker 11: more and show more empathy for their pain. And since

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Speaker 11: then we've seen the rhetoric grow, but particularly since the

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Speaker 11: tragic event that happened on Friday where you had Palestinians

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Speaker 11: and over one hundred were killed. And each side has

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Speaker 11: their story, but the fact is that it doesn't even

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Speaker 11: really matter when democracies are at war. This is not

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Speaker 11: supposed to happen. And that's why President Biden came out

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Speaker 11: and said that there is no excuse, there's no justification

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Speaker 11: tragic day. So that said, why do you see the

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Speaker 11: US pushing for this still for this six week ceasefire.

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Speaker 11: That is because they're trying to push for something that

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Speaker 11: could lead to a permanent ceasefire. But to do it

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Speaker 11: in a way where a they get the hostages out

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Speaker 11: and get something in exchange without giving something a freebee

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Speaker 11: the way they view it to Hamas because ultimately there's

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Speaker 11: one goal here, and that's that Hamas is not able

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Speaker 11: to govern Gaza any longer. And so if you have

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Speaker 11: that six week ceasefire, they can kickstart or expedite negotiations

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Speaker 11: on one hand, one hand, between the Israelis and Palestinians

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Speaker 11: the Israelis and the rest of the Middle East to

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Speaker 11: have normalization deals to try and kickstart a two state solution. Now,

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Speaker 11: I know I sound like that sounds impossible. It is

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Speaker 11: a very tall order, but that is what the US

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Speaker 8: Hoping to do.

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Speaker 2: Tigar, we only have a minute. You worked on the

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Speaker 2: National Security Council. I wonder your expectation for Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: on Thursday night, the administration's message on Israel. This is

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Speaker 2: a political speech, of course, but it's one that's being

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Speaker 2: driven in part by folks like you who now work

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Speaker 2: in the White House, who are briefing him every day.

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Speaker 11: Well, I believe he'll be He'll continue this tougher tone

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Speaker 11: against Israel's behavior, but he's also going to be very

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Speaker 11: careful to remind everyone that Israel is an ally and

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Speaker 11: why Israel is an ally, that we benefit enormously for

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Speaker 11: our own counter terrorism objectives from Israel, and so I

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Speaker 11: think he'll try and toe that line and be very

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Speaker 11: careful about it.

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Speaker 4: But on the question of.

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Speaker 11: Ceasefire, I think they're going to hit this point much

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Speaker 11: harder about calling for an immediate ceasefire, even if it's temporary.

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Speaker 11: That the goal is to lead into a permanent ceasefire.

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Speaker 11: But the only way to do that is to not

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Speaker 11: allow Hamas to govern Gaza any longer. So I think

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Speaker 11: he's going to expan a bit better.

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Speaker 2: You wonder if he gets both sides of the room

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Speaker 2: up off their seats for that one. Hagar Shamali, Great

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Speaker 2: to see you, Hugar again, formerly National Security Council on

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Speaker 2: Syria and Lebanon founder as well of Greenwich Media Strategies.

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