1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: You were tunes about Drive on your home of the 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson. It is a 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: lovely Monday here. We're a week away from Steelers training 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: camp reporting date. I can't wait. I know, I know 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: you're looking forward to it as well, Matt. Uh, We're 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: both ready to go. Uh. A couple of teams rookies 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: did report today. I believe it was the Raiders and 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: the Bills rookies Hall of Fame teams. Yeah, I believe. Yeah, 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: so they their rookies could report early. Uh. Man. I 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about a story that Bucky Brooks road 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and it's called the one chaos team in each division. Okay, 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: And you know he means by chaos a team that 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: maybe something not a lot is expected of, or they 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: haven't been a major player in recent years, but they 16 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: could really upset the apple cart this season. Okay. I 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: mean the Bengals last year are a great example. Right. 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: You know I've been asked four thousand times, who's the 19 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Who's the Bengals from this year? Is that the Lions? 20 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: Or mean like it doesn't happen every year? Folks that 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: somebody picks on top five and then goes the Super Bowl. 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: But there are teams that are can cause chaos. There's 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: a good way putting it. I think, you know, it 24 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: can can mess up the way you look at things. 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: When he picked one team from each division, and I 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: bring this up because he mentioned the Steelers is the 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: team in the a f C North that could be there, 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: and I think they they fit the description. Even though 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: they were a playoff team last year. A lot of 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: people aren't expecting a lot from the Steelers this year. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: In fact, you see the predictions for the for the 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: Steelers are all over the board. Yeah, most like it. Yeah, 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: because when you said, I have not seen this article. 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: So when you said a chaos team, I immediately he thought, well, 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: the Steelers are probably my last pick in the North 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: because the Watson situation in Cleveland, that's chaotic for their 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: team in their building, the Bates thing, the Lamar thing, 38 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: there's some things that could cause waves within those three 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: respective buildings, chaos from within. But when you described it 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: of how they can rock the boat in terms of 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: what the pundits are predicting, and you know, everyone said, 42 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, you get a lot of Steelers are only 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: gonna win six or seven games. They're the easy team 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: to plug in at number four in the North. Don't 45 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: be so sure. They could cause chaos for your predictions. Yeah. 46 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: And and and he's you know, he brings up. He said, Look, 47 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: they've got a the pieces are in place. On defense. 48 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: He got t J, he got camera Hayward, he got 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Makea Fitzpatrick along with a good, you know, supporting cast. 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: He had Brian Florist to the coaching staff along with 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: Terrell Austin. Um. They're gonna come up with some stuff, 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: he said. And he expects the offense to even though 53 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: it might be more conservative. I don't know if it 54 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: is going to be more conservative. I think pretty conservative. 55 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the past percentage was high. That 56 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: makes it sound like it was risky, but office was 57 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: really conservative. Yeah. I mean with the style of play, 58 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: get it out the receivers now, or throw a deep 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: ball down the sideline, but don't attack much, or don't 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: attack the middle, right. I mean, yeah, they threw the 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: ball a lot, but that doesn't mean that they were 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: living on the edge. Yeah. I've I've been asked a 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: lot to you know, do you do I expect the 64 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Steelers to run the ball more or you know, throw 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: the ball less this year. I don't know that I 66 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: expect a massive shift in the in the percentage, in 67 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: the percentages. No, I bet they run the ball a 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: little more. I mean, I don't think they'll be a 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: top five pass happy team. But Canada's a forward thinker, 70 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: and they've seven weapons. I think if you factor in 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks running the ball, yeah, they're going to run 72 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: the ball because you know Roethlisberger's main runch. They had 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: fifty five yards rushing last year. Is a team from 74 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, Yeah, the three or four hundred this year, right. 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: I mean that that in itself is going to be 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: more running, But it doesn't necessarily mean that the offense 77 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: is going to be that much different in terms of 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: the balance. No, I think they'll be better if throwing 79 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: the ball than running the ball. Probably. I mean, I'm 80 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: not gonna put my whole reputation on that. It's just 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: I really liked the five receivers they can put out there. No, 82 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I do too, Yeah, but to see yeah, and you know, 83 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: Bucky says, look, I you know a lot of people 84 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: are thinking that Mike Tomlin is due for his first 85 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: losing season. He said, I'm not sure I'd personally make 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: that bet. Yeah, that's a hold on, you know. I mean, 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: even if they start out slow, you can absolutely see 88 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: this team, considering how young they are on offense. It's 89 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: figuring it out in those last two months, start to 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: string some wins together and all those people with the 91 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: undertotal or going uh, I mean, the only one out 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: of two wins to finish the season and somehow Tomlin 93 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: seeks him in the playoffs again, you know. I mean, 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: it'd be a hard team for me to bet against. 95 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the Patriots are hard team for me to 96 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: bet against. I have no respect for their roster whatsoever. 97 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: But if I have hard earned dollars in my hands, 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: betting against Belichick is not the best solution. They are 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: safer ones that Yeah, it's not the best way to 100 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: make money over the years. You know, his team and 101 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the if she East is the Miami Dolphins. They were 102 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: gonna picked two in the tier. Point about the Yeah, 103 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot of variants. I mean, if two is this 104 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: is sort of truth of Steelers. If two is the 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: twentie best quarterback in the league, they can cause problems. 106 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think they could be a super 107 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: Bowl contender. I don't think he could be a top 108 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: ten quarterback. But if he's pretty decent and those big 109 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: play guys are hitting, they could cause problems for any 110 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: opponent any week. Yeah, I agree. Uh. In the f 111 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: C South, the chaos, it's the Jaguars. Yeah, me too. Yeah, 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to have a huge Jags conversation, but 113 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm really warming up to them. And this is the 114 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: total opposite conversation of Tomlin Belichick. You know, you can 115 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: lose a lot of money betting on the Jags, but 116 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: like their front seven has gotten really big and physical. Well, 117 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: who's in their division Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry. They 118 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: overpaid for a lot of guys on offense, but at 119 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: least they now have professionals around Lawrence, and deep down, 120 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: I'm a Lawrence believer, and I think Peterson's an NFL coach. 121 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: I mean, did anyone get a better coaching upgrade from 122 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: last year than Jacksonville? Yeah? Probably not. Right. In the 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: a f C West, he is the Raiders. Mm hmm. 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: That's a tough division because expectations are so high for 125 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: all and I guess they're the ones with the least expectations. Yeah, 126 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: I guess. I mean, if you're looking at it from 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: that perspective, that makes sense. People are saying Denver, people 128 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: are saying the Broncos are a potential super Bowl team. 129 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: People are saying the Chargers are potential super Bowl team. 130 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: Obviously the Chiefs. So I guess the Raiders will be 131 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: the one that that you look at and say, well, 132 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: they they're the one team that probably can't make it 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. Yeah. I just think if Wilson 134 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: is a hit there, they could win a division. But 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: there's a little more variance around Denver than there is 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: the Chargers or especially the Chiefs. I think we all 137 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: know what we're gonna get from the Chiefs. I mean, 138 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna win double digit games. Yeah, you would think so. 139 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: And you know that that division is gonna be difficult though, 140 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and oh yeah we said it a hundred times. Somebody 141 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: in that division is gonna go one and five or 142 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: two and four in the division. I mean, you hope 143 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: you don't have a Ravens like team from last year 144 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: that gets is it near the top of league and 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: injuries because you could lose eight in a row. You know, 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: if you're without your key guy for two months or something, 147 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: you could be lost and forgotten. Yeah, and that's that's 148 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: always the quick key variable. Moving over to the NFC, Uh, 149 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: he has in the East the Washington Commanders. Mhm. My 150 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: hood pick in the East would be the Giants. Yeah right, 151 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of just maybe Wentz is a little better 152 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: than he's been more Eagles version of Wentz. The roster 153 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: is not terrible. I mean, they could ruin the Cowboys 154 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: or Eagles day. I guess that's the pick I would make. 155 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: There's not an obvious one there for me either though. Uh. 156 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: In the NFC North, it's the Lions absolutely. I mean 157 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: we saw them come here and tie the Steelers, playing 158 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: their brand of football, being hard to play against, and 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: their roster is much better now, you know. I mean 160 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: they're I think their offense is pretty legit and they 161 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: probably won't beat themselves with a ton of turnovers and 162 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah. Uh. In the NFC South, it's 163 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Agree. I think they're a borderline playoff 164 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: team in a week conference. Yeah, I think if you 165 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: look at you know, adding Baker Mayfield that although they did. 166 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, they announced their GM announced last week that 167 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: there will be an open competition between Baker Mayfield and 168 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Um. Yeah, I'd be shocked If Mayfield doesn't 169 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I'd be Yeah, I'd be late to the party. That's 170 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: the problem. You know, he hasn't worked. You know, the 171 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: training camp is going to be all about getting Baker 172 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: Mayfield ready to go, but you also have to give 173 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: snaps to Sam Donald because he's your incumbent guy. I 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: was talking about this on another podcast. It's kind of 175 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: like the Steelers, like, oh, by the way, you drafted 176 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: a quarterback that you traded up for too in Carolina. 177 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean snap counts and practice reps and participation in 178 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: Carolina is going to be really hard to divvy out 179 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: because they all deserve it, right right. Donald's kind of 180 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: the routolf, you know, Baker's kind of your ribisky, and 181 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: Coral's kind of your picket. Yeah. So it's it's it's 182 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic. Um in the NFC West, it's the 183 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. It can't be the Seahawks campus Seahawks are 184 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: terrible and the Rams of Super Bowl champs. In the 185 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: NFC Championship Game last year, so kind of by default, 186 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: I thought about the Niners. Just if if Lance is 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: really good versus Lance is really bad. Yeah, but the 188 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals are one of the highest variance teams in the league. 189 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: To me, so too. I mean, yeah, they're kind of 190 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: always start the season well, they get a bunch of 191 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: young guys and a bunch of old I think there's 192 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: not much in between. Yeah, I trust the coach, mostly 193 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: trust the quarterback, but they always are not the same 194 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the year as they are at 195 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah. I mean, if they string it all 196 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: together and everything lines up for him this year, yeah, 197 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: they could be you know, double digit wins, maybe win 198 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: a division. Let's talk about this now happening. Let's talk 199 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,239 Speaker 1: about so of those eight teams, you had the Dolphins, 200 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: the Steelers, the Jaguars, the Raiders, Washington, Detroit, Carolina in Arizona. Mhm, 201 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: which one is the best team? Arizona? I thought, you're 202 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: gonna ask me, what if you bet on one to 203 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl? Who would you bet on? And 204 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: you don't want about any of them? That's kind of 205 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: the point of the exercise. I think I'd pick Arizona, 206 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: and then the Steelers I just said it was better 207 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: the Raiders. I think the Steelers come out very well 208 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: in that list. And yet again the pundits nationally talking 209 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: about them are saying five, you know, we when we've 210 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: done mocked drafts, mock drafts, the drafting in the top ten. Yeah, 211 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: with the sixth overall pick, the Steelers are gonna take 212 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: a corner, you know, Like I don't think they're picking 213 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: in the top six or right. You know. Um, again, 214 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: their schedule is probably the hardest of all those, you know, 215 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: with how what we know right this minute subject to change, 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: of course. Um, but I trust the organization, the head 217 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: coach more than I do Washington, Caroline, at Detroit, you know, Jacksonville. 218 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean who's lost more games in Detroit and Jacksonville? Right, Yeah, 219 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not that high on the Raiders either. No, 220 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm not either. And I think, you know, I do 221 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: think that the Steelers are not that they're competitive, right, 222 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: and that's that's yeah. And I think that there's something 223 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: to a franchise knowing how to win. Oh, I think 224 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: there's a time to that. And even Ben on his 225 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: last legs had that, you know, in his back pocket. 226 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: And Tomlin absolutely has that and we are growing pains 227 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: on offense. I mean, there's no question about it. But 228 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, and they have a lot of tough games. 229 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot many lay up games on the schedule. 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: But I can't see them week after week being wow, 231 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: they lost my two touchdowns. That's better than last week. 232 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: You know, like, I don't think that's the season goes. 233 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: You know. And one of the one of the things 234 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: about coaching and what good coaches do is coached to 235 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: their talent mm hm. Whereas okay, let's let's we're talking 236 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: about the Cardinals are on this list. So you have 237 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Cliff Kingsbury who wants to come in 238 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and run his offense. Yeah, and so he's gotta do that. 239 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: We gotta run, we gotta run this offense. We gotta 240 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: do things this way because it's my offense, is what 241 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: I do. Yeah. I know you just after Josh Rosen, 242 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: but sorry, I have no use for him. We need 243 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: to get my guy. We need to get my guy 244 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. Changes. You know, whereas a team like 245 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: the Steelers are, I think Mike Tomlin will do with 246 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: this team what this team does best. Again, he says 247 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: it all the time. If we have red paint, red paint, 248 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna paint the barn red. Yeah, And I think, 249 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, Belichick is the master of this and Tomlin's 250 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: right there with them. There's an art to not losing 251 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: games in the NFL. Like, Okay, you're gonna give me 252 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: a hard time for not going for it on fourth 253 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: down enough, But I realized there's a lot of paths 254 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: that I can lose this game. And to me, the 255 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: perfect example was the duck Hodges here. You know, like 256 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: we we know we're walking into a gunfight with with 257 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: the a knife, you know, but they've got six bullets, 258 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: we got one. We gotta make account and yeah, and 259 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: if that means just extending the game, fighting to live 260 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: another day and not being super aggressive, I'm gonna do 261 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: everything I can not to lose where I think that's 262 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: something that analytics folks can overlook, Like, yeah, the pain, 263 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: the sheets, the spreadsheets tell us to go for it 264 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: here or do this or do that or whatever. And 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: to me, sometimes you just have to be like I 266 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: don't know many cards in my hand, and I gotta 267 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: bluff my way through this hand without losing a fortune, 268 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, I keep going 269 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: back to that season and and people ask me, well, 270 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: how could the Steelers be better this year than they 271 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: were last year? And how could they do how can 272 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: they win games? And I keep going back to that 273 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: season and looking at how the Steelers won that year 274 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: and their schedule was the schedule was not easy that 275 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: year either, when you know, I mean, the division has 276 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: been good for a long time now, and right right right, 277 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean they played the Patriots, they played the Seahawks 278 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: when the Seahawks were good. They played the forty niners 279 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. That's always a nightmare for them. Yes, 280 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: they went over in three in those games. Uh, you know, 281 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: but you played the Ravens twice. You lost in overtime 282 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: in one of those games, and and the Hodges had 283 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: to come in and relief and used to You played 284 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: the Chargers in Los Angeles. You won that game with 285 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: Doc Hodges. The Dolphins, the Colts, the Rams beat the Rams. 286 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: I mean that was a good Rams team that they beat. Uh, 287 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure if you would ever give Tomlin 288 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: truths here or the coaching staff, I bet there's some 289 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: plane rides home or meetings on Monday, or they're like 290 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: I don't know how we pulled that one out, but okay, 291 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, we stuck with a plan and didn't shoot 292 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: ourselves in foot and when it came down to a 293 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: field goal here or there, our guy made it and 294 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: they didn't. Then, boy, we were not the better team 295 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: that day, but we figured out a way to win. 296 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: And that's not easy to do. Yeah, I mean, that's 297 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. It doesn't have to be pretty. 298 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: But again, I think if you if you do what's 299 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: your team can do and accentuate those parts of the 300 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: game as opposed to having your quarterback out there and 301 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: try to do something he's not capable of, or having 302 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: your your defensive players go out there and try to 303 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: do a perform a game plan that they're not capable of. 304 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: I can't remember this better than me, but what were 305 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: what was the quote after Duck Hodges got his first win? 306 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: You know some when he guys asked him he didn't 307 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: kill us, you know, Tom? Yeah right, he didn't kill us? 308 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: Like great, No, I didn't kill us the whole key 309 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: no negative. You know they beat the Chargers with Philip 310 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: Rivers game Oh yeah right, you know, I mean it 311 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: squeaked one out right like Vegas odds, if they play 312 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: that game a hundred times that the Steelers should be 313 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: a dog every time. Yeah, I mean, you know, but 314 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: they you know, they did. You know, I look at 315 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: that game to win over the rams Um again, a 316 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: good rams team, and they beat them seventeen to twelve. 317 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was. It wasn't pretty, but they 318 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: found ways to win those games. Play well on special teams, 319 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: winning the margins. You know, maybe possess the football a 320 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: little longer, or you know, don't play as fast as 321 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: you would have shortened the game. You know, don't take 322 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a dumb penalty. You know that those type of things 323 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: that don't always show up in the statue, you know. Yeah, 324 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: so you know, I do think that you know, obviously 325 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be different this year for the Steelers, 326 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: but I do think that they will figure out some ways, 327 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: whether that be the you know, design runs for troubisky 328 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: or you know, anything to move that you know, move 329 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: the chains, that kind of stuff that they'll make. This, 330 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: They'll they'll fight, they'll figure things out, they'll figure out 331 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: ways to win games that they probably shouldn't win. And 332 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: you can look at every game on that on that schedule, say, yeah, 333 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: they probably shouldn't won, right, right, right, And if they 334 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: ended up as a two or three win team, I 335 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: don't think anyone had been like, boy, Tom, it's a 336 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: bad coach. I mean, it's kind of you know, if 337 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: you if you remember again when when Ben Roethlisberger went down, 338 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: people were predicting a five win season. People a top 339 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna have a top five draft pick. When they 340 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: made the train for making Fitzpatrick, how can you trade 341 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: that pick away? You know it's gonna be a top 342 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a top five pick, a top ten pick. Yeah, 343 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: And initially I kind of felt that way as well. 344 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: But I remember you and I do in the drive 345 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: back then, we would go through the league and be like, well, 346 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: they're still better than the Jags, They're still better than 347 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: the Giants, you know, And we came up with eight 348 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: to ten teams that we were pretty confident that the 349 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: Steelers would pick later then, you know that, And a 350 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: lot of that was just because of the structure of 351 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: the organization and the coach and the culture. Yeah, so 352 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: I think that goes a long way, um, and I 353 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: think it will again this year. I think, you know, 354 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: when you talk about how they can be better than 355 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: last year, I don't know. I mean, I don't know 356 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: if they're gonna win more than the nine games that 357 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: they won last year. I think the roster is better 358 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: it was last year. But I think the roster is 359 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: definitely better than it was a year ago. I wrote 360 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: an article today or returned. I think it's going live today. 361 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: The Steelers would have killed for Mason Cole last year. 362 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Is not good. He's not a special player. But if 363 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: he was on the team last year, you know, won 364 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: the starting center job and wouldn't have lost it, or 365 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: Green would have lost the starting center job in week 366 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: two or three and they would have had a legit 367 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: guy come in and that position wouldn't been a problem. 368 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean that. And they signed five guys better than 369 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: Mason Cole this year, you know what I mean? Like 370 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: that slow on the list of good editions, but boy, 371 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: could they have used him a year ago? Absolutely? So. Yeah, 372 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what when you look at what this 373 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: team can be this year. Um, you know, I think 374 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: with with as as young as this offense is, uh 375 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: and as as good as I think the defense is 376 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: going to be, Um, go back and look at that 377 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen seasons say okay, this maybe it is going 378 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: to look something like this, but maybe maybe with a 379 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: few more wins, because I think you have you have 380 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: better quarterbacking than you had in that season. I just 381 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: think the offense is so much harder to play against 382 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: than that season or last season that we're gonna see 383 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: things on offense. And I'm not talking about flee flicker 384 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: double reverses. Matt Canada is drawing up stuff on the napkins. 385 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about basic NFL stuff that they couldn't 386 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: run right right, I mean they had to. I can 387 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: remember Kevin Colbert talking about that uh and in training 388 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: camp he we've always come back and have a uh 389 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: sit down with the writers. And we didn't do it 390 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: in training camp that year, but we did. We we 391 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: did it in training camp, but it was not at 392 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: the back in the dorms. But he said, look, our 393 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: our our goal when when Ben got hurt, the defense 394 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: had to give up less than seventeen points a game 395 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: coming in. If it's the twenty, we're in trouble. We 396 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: know it. The goal. Every coaching decision reflects that, the 397 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: goal with Devil with the Codges at quarterback was to 398 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: give up thirteen or fewer. That's unbelievably hard, absolutely, but 399 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: they did it. I mean, if you look at it, 400 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: you know that. You know, they gave up a game 401 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: where they where they gave up three seventeen against the Chargers, 402 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: fourteen against the Dolphins, twelve against the the the Rams. 403 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: They did give up twenty four against the coltson one um, 404 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: but twelve against the Rams, ten against the Bengals, thirteen 405 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: against the Browns, seventeen against the Cardinals, seventeen against the 406 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Bills even though they lost their game, sixteen against the Jets, 407 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: even though they lost that game. Um, you know, so 408 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: the defense are playing out of its mind. Oh, I'm 409 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: pulling it up now that Buffalo was the best team 410 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: in the league last year. They allowed seventeen points a game. 411 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: There were four teams that allowed under twenty Buffalo, New England, Denver, 412 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans, and that was clearly tops in the league. 413 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: You know how hard it is to keep teams under 414 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: twenty nowadays. I mean there's ten teams that allowed twenty 415 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: five or more. You know, keep teams under twenty is 416 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: elite defense in today's NFL, let alone under thirteen Are 417 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: you kidding me? Yeah, absolutely right, But that is going 418 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: to do it for today's show. Matt One quick other 419 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: note too, Sometimes the other coach knows it too, Like so, 420 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, a two yard run by nausey looks like 421 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: a failed play, but Tom One is thinking about it. 422 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: Of well, that's thirty seconds longer. I'm alive. You know 423 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: that that didn't sink to the bottom. And everyone the 424 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: stadium knows you're gonna run the ball, or did the 425 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: other team knows you're gonna run the ball. They stacked 426 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: the box, they tackle the guy for a two yard game. Okay, 427 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: but that's thirty seconds longer. I'm still alive. That's important, absolutely, 428 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: absolutely possessing the football. And if you look at last 429 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: year's possession time of possession numbers for the Steelers, they 430 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: were actually underwater in that one. They were below thirty 431 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: minutes per game. I bet that changes and they've typically 432 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: always been above thirty minutes, you know, often in the 433 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: top five. Um, you know, thirty two three, thirty four 434 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: minutes of game time of possession. That there was a 435 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: double way me last year. That's bad offense combined with 436 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: bad run defense. Yeah, the killer cut it absolutely but 437 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: as I mentioned this, that's gonna do it for today show. 438 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: So for my partner Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly. 439 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: We thank you for listening to this edition of the 440 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio