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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have Crystal.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, we do lots to get to this morning.

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Speaker 1: I am remote this morning, dealing with a few family things,

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Speaker 1: but lots of news to get into anyway. So we

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Speaker 1: have the big whistleblower testimony yesterday.

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Speaker 4: We'll break all of that down for you.

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Speaker 1: Have some key video to show you key soundbites from that.

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Speaker 1: We also have some big updates in terms of the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine War, a Russian attack on Ukrainian grain. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean for world grain prices? Quite significant there. We

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Speaker 1: also have some political news Trump doing a town hall

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Speaker 1: with Sean Hannity, and the actually getting a little bit

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Speaker 1: crosswise in terms of mail in balloting, so we'll break

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Speaker 1: that down for You've got a new poll out of

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire. There's also very interesting Doug Bergham doing way

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Speaker 1: better I ever would have imagined, coming in at six percent.

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Speaker 1: also have a couple of studies that are really fascinating.

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Speaker 4: One about the fact that.

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Speaker 1: The group of workers that is most committed to work

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Speaker 4: The boss class.

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Speaker 1: So the higher you are on the income scale and

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Speaker 4: So we'll talk to you about that.

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Speaker 1: And we also have some news about apparently the nation

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Speaker 4: This seems like some pandemic changes to all of our

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Speaker 1: You know, Soger and I are both here, so it

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Speaker 3: Well, one can only hope Bristol.

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Speaker 2: I'll save my well and barbarous thoughts for the late

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Speaker 2: crowd for that discussion. All right, let's go ahead, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to start with this IRS testimony. There was

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Speaker 2: absolutely stunning allegations made yesterday before the GOP Oversight Committee.

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Speaker 2: One was an IRS whistleblower and another one was one

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Speaker 2: we had not previously yet heard from. And this testimony

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Speaker 2: that political interference kept him from bringing charges against Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 3: Interference in this investigation. Here's what he had to say today.

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Speaker 5: I sit here before you not as a hero or

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Speaker 5: At the Internal Revenue Service, no one should be above

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Speaker 2: So Christal that was iras Special Agent Joseph Ziegler is

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Speaker 3: Here's what Ziegler continued to have to say.

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Speaker 5: So for the purpose of documenting the foreign sources is

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Speaker 2: So if for those who are you know, didn't pick

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Speaker 3: Here was his allegation.

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Speaker 2: So that remains the core allegation I think within this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the combination of wealth and political power leading to

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Speaker 4: You know, he claims there was a memo.

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Speaker 1: That he was involved in preparing that recommended much higher charges,

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Speaker 1: So again, even though you know, you've got to keep

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Speaker 4: Of partisan affair.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt Republicans want to damage the president. They

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Speaker 1: That is all part and parcel of what's going on here.

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Speaker 4: But you know, there are some.

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Speaker 1: Real, genuine, serious questions that I think are only further

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Speaker 1: our country aperiently.

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Speaker 4: I just think I don't want.

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Speaker 1: To sound like a broken record here, but the risk

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Speaker 1: of a broader conflagration has just escalated. The catastrophic fallout

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Speaker 1: in terms of global hunger has just escalated. The catastrophic

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Speaker 1: consequences for the Ukrainian people has just escalated. When are

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Speaker 1: we going to think that it's a good time to

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Speaker 1: try to get the parties to the table. When is

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Speaker 1: it going to be the moment where US politicians, Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden in particular, decide like, Okay, this is enough, Let's

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Speaker 1: see what we can do to try to end this conflict,

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Speaker 1: because look, I get it that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: injustice that whatever negotiated settlement could come out of this

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Speaker 1: is going to be a bitter pill for everyone to

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Speaker 1: be able to swallow. But the catastrophic costs of war

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Speaker 1: and the risks of continuing to push forward just continued

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Speaker 1: to mount day after day after day, and this is

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Speaker 1: just the latest example of that.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: The biggest catastrophe that we could see is expansion of

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Speaker 2: this war into commercial shipping. That would just push things

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Speaker 2: tole on the level of which we really really do

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Speaker 2: not want to get there.

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Speaker 3: Anyway. Let's go through the politics section, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so former President Trump sat down with his

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Speaker 1: buddy Sean Hannity for a town hall and you know,

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Speaker 1: Lesley's off balls as you would expect, but they did

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Speaker 1: have a bit of its heads exchange around mail in voting,

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Speaker 1: mail in ballots, sigle, isn't a little bit of that.

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Speaker 8: Will you encourage your voters based on the system we

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Speaker 8: have to go along with the system of early voting

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Speaker 8: and voting by mail, because I will think if you don't,

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Speaker 8: you meant a big mistake.

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Speaker 9: Oh no, no, I will, But those ballots get lost

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Speaker 9: allso Sean, you know, they send them in and all

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Speaker 9: of a sudden they're goun Those ballots get lost. Also

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Speaker 9: the answers, I will because you would like it, But

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Speaker 9: you know what, can.

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Speaker 10: I be honest with me?

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Speaker 8: Okay, but a lot I got to take a break,

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Speaker 8: but Johan.

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Speaker 9: A lot of bad things happened to those ballots. Also,

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Speaker 9: they sent in early and all of a sudden, where

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Speaker 9: are they?

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Speaker 3: That was the fourth time that they sparred on that crystal.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to let it go.

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Speaker 9: He is.

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Speaker 1: So Donald Trump is the most stubborn man on the

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Speaker 1: this earth.

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Speaker 4: I love always like, yeah, yeah, I'll do it, but no, really.

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Speaker 1: I won't do it because those ballots get stolen. And

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Speaker 1: I guess you would like a Sean, So maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: do it. But now those ballots are really bad.

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 1: The reason I say he's so stubborned is the data

496
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Speaker 1: is pretty clear. If he had just pushed for mail

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Speaker 1: and balloting during the pandemic and like encourage his supporters

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Speaker 1: that that was like the patriotic way to vote. He

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Speaker 1: probably would be president of the United States. So personally,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that he is a fool and continues down

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Speaker 1: this pathway and that there's this huge partisan divide that

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Speaker 1: has opened up in terms of how people cast their ballots,

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Speaker 1: which it actually used to be the exact opposite.

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Speaker 4: It used to be Republicans who were more likely to.

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Speaker 1: Vote early vote you know, by mail, because they're tended

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Speaker 1: to be older, and that's was you know, more common

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Speaker 1: way for older people to vote.

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Speaker 4: Now it's completely flipped.

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Speaker 1: There's this huge partisan divide, and they're just shooting themselves

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Speaker 1: in the foot by not pursuing this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is certainly something.

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Speaker 2: And also you have seen other Republicans, even many who

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Speaker 2: are skeptical of I've even seen my biggest interest is

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Speaker 2: like former Stop the Steelers who are now getting involved

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Speaker 2: in this because their narrative is and I mean it's wrong,

516
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Speaker 2: but this is the this is their idea is we've

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Speaker 2: lost because the Left is so good at ballot harvesting.

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Speaker 2: This is like almost like a Dinesh Desuza type analysis

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Speaker 2: of the election. They're like, because we're so bad at

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Speaker 2: ballot harvesting, ballot harvesting then though is not going to

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Speaker 2: is not illegal. We can't outlaw there's nothing or it

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Speaker 2: is illegal. But you know, in terms of what they

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Speaker 2: say the real ballot harvesting initiatives, you can't actually go

524
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Speaker 2: against it. So we have to build the most robust

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Speaker 2: ballot harvesting operation and actually win the election. A guy

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Speaker 2: like Scott Pressfield comes to mind. I've seen him talk

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Speaker 2: about this. He's a quote the persistence on Twitter. If

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Speaker 2: you're not familiar who I'm talking about, I've seen a

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Speaker 2: number of Maga stop the steel figures actually use this

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Speaker 2: line of argumentation. But there's only one who the boomers

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Speaker 2: actually listened to. His name is Trump. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of these people they all came to the polls to

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Speaker 2: vote in person on election day, specifically because they were

534
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Speaker 2: told by Trump that they shouldn't vote by mail.

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Speaker 3: And then vote by mail is bad.

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Speaker 2: And as we have you know, showed the data ad

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Speaker 2: nauseum here, you know, Trump and Georgia in particular, If

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Speaker 2: just the number of people who vote in the Republican

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Speaker 2: primary of twenty twenty by mail did so in the election,

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Speaker 2: he wins the election. There's no question. Arizona as well,

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Speaker 2: I fully believe he would have won the state of

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Speaker 2: Arizona free and clear if he just embraced mail in

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Speaker 2: voting because of so many of the older voters and

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Speaker 2: then the other ones. I mean, it's one of those

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Speaker 2: where the election was close enough of who the hell

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Speaker 2: knows what actually would have happened. So he's doing nobody

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Speaker 2: but himself, you know, like he's hurting nobody but himself.

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Speaker 3: But he doesn't care. That's what he believes.

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Speaker 2: And for those who think they can nudge Trump in

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Speaker 2: that direction, as Hannity his you know most kiss ass

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Speaker 2: ally thinks he can, he's not gonna listen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so people understand little bit of why

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Speaker 1: this matters. You know, why it's such an advantage to

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Speaker 1: really be pushing your supporters to vote early. It's because, listen,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things can happen on election day.

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Speaker 4: You know, your life can go.

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Speaker 1: Sideways at any moment. The kids need this, the you know,

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Speaker 1: dog gets sick. Like anything can happen on a single

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Speaker 1: individual day, and so you want to if your political

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Speaker 1: campaign bank as many votes as you can, as early

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Speaker 1: as you can.

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Speaker 4: So you've got them checked off, you don't have to

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Speaker 4: worry about them.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to continue sending them mailers, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to continue calling them, you don't have to continue

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Speaker 1: showing up their door. They're done, and then you can

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Speaker 1: move on to this other universe of voters of like

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Speaker 1: people who need more encouragement, who you know, help them

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Speaker 1: make their voting plan, et cetera, et cetera. And so

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Speaker 1: it's a tremendous advantage if you have a large percentage

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Speaker 1: of your base showing up early and so, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I do think even if Trump now enthusiastically embraced

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Speaker 1: mail in voting, I do think they did so much

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Speaker 1: damage to the idea and the credibility of doing that

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic and during the twenty twenty campaign that

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Speaker 1: I still think there would be a bit of a

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Speaker 1: hangover effect of people who just have it in their

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Speaker 1: minds now like this is not.

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Speaker 4: A way to vote.

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Speaker 1: Your posts are not gonna be counted if you vote

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Speaker 1: this way. But it would help a lot if the

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Speaker 1: big guy was on board with the change of programs.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely think he is massively shooting himself in

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Speaker 1: the foot here by, you know, being continuing to be

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Speaker 1: clearly ambivalent.

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Speaker 4: About going in this direction.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I know kind of an interesting

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Speaker 1: poll coming out of New Handra. Let's put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen and I want to hear what you

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Speaker 1: make of this saga.

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Speaker 4: So we've got Trump at the top.

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Speaker 1: Trump is down though five points in this poll from April.

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Speaker 4: He's at thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: Ron Destant is basically hanging steady at twenty three percent.

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Speaker 4: Then you have everybody else coming up a bit.

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Speaker 1: You got Tim Scott jumping up six points. He's at

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Speaker 1: eight percentage points. The media is very invested in like

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Speaker 1: a Tim Scott bump narrative right at the moment. Yet

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Speaker 1: Chris Christi coming in six percent. He's up five points

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Speaker 1: from the last poll. This one, I don't even I

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Speaker 1: have no analysis of this. I have no idea where

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Speaker 1: this came from. Doug Burgham notching six percent North Dakota

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Speaker 1: governor that literally no one ever heard of and probably

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Speaker 1: still hasn't heard of. I guess people just like the

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Speaker 1: name six percent. Another one that we should talk more about,

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Speaker 1: either today or another time. But the ve k Ramaswami

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing consistently coming up in every poll. I just

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Speaker 1: saw a national poll that had him coming up quite

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Speaker 1: significantly as well. But he's at five percent. Year Niky

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Speaker 1: Haley five percent. Mike Pence the other big loser in

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Speaker 1: this poll, sinking all the way down to one percent,

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Speaker 1: and maybe start with that's our I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: the former vice president of the United States. This is

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Speaker 1: a man who has been a huge figure in conservative

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Speaker 1: politics for quite a long time, has really worked hard

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Speaker 1: to galvanize that evangelical base. You're at one percent, Chris Christie's,

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Speaker 1: Doug Bergham and the zk Ramaswami are beating you.

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Speaker 4: I mean, how does that happen?

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Speaker 2: It's humiliating, especially the Pence fall from grace here and

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Speaker 2: the kind of catchup to reality has been, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the more satisfying elements of the campaign I

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Speaker 2: think so far.

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Speaker 3: Doug Bergham.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's spending a hell of a lot of

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Speaker 2: money right now, you know, in terms of ads, so

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Speaker 2: I actually think that probably can account for it. Remember

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Speaker 2: Tom Steyer at several points was pulling between five and

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Speaker 2: like six percent simply because he was spending like one

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars or so on advertising. So if you

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Speaker 2: spend your way, you can usually get up to a

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Speaker 2: decent amount. Now, I do think that the most noteworthy

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Speaker 2: thing was the drop in that poll by five points

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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump, but at the same time he said

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Speaker 2: thirty seven percent, he's maintaining such a significant lead for DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: He did pick up some, but he's not picking up all.

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Speaker 2: And it does show also that all of these other

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Speaker 2: candidates whose name are not DeSantis are directly a problem

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Speaker 2: for him. They are drawing away from the anti Trump support.

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Speaker 2: He usually is going to be their number two chol

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Speaker 2: And so it does show that DeSantis really has a

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Speaker 2: problem in terms of trying to get to even sort

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Speaker 2: of a plurality because Trump does have so much support

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Speaker 2: throughout the GOP base and especially in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 3: I mean New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: All we should never forget is the state that gave

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Speaker 2: him his very first, you know, primary victory of twenty

647
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Speaker 2: twenty and it was a blowout actually at the time.

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Speaker 2: That really is what put him on the map and

649
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Speaker 2: on the road to true victory whenever it came to

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Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen primary. So I do think that New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire will be the big bellweather in the state. It's

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Speaker 2: also why I think that guys like Burghum Chris Christy

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Speaker 2: and others who don't have the same evangelical support base

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Speaker 2: of Iowa are going to go all in on that

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Speaker 2: state as well.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire is interesting and is always kind of a

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Speaker 1: wild card because Independence can vote in the Republican primaries.

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Speaker 4: You can pick which primary you want to vote in,

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Speaker 4: and so it's not as much of just.

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Speaker 1: A hardcore, dedicated Republican base, whereas iOS the polar opposite.

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Speaker 1: When you're talking about a caucus state, these are going

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Speaker 1: to be your most diehard supporters because you don't just

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Speaker 1: show up and cast the ballot or send in your ballot,

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Speaker 1: but you got to be there. You got to do

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Speaker 1: a whole thing, like it's a whole process, right, So

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Speaker 1: you've got to be committed to it if you're going

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Speaker 1: to go and cast your ballot in Iowa. So New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire gives more of an opening for I think a

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Speaker 1: wider variety of Canadas. That's why this is the state.

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Speaker 1: Certainly Chris Christy feels he's going to do the best

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Speaker 1: in because you have not just the hardcore Republican base,

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Speaker 1: but you have Independence who may be more inclined to

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Speaker 1: hear his message. His very aggressively anti Trump message and

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Speaker 1: take that seriously. Listen, if I was any of the

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Speaker 1: candidates not named Donald Trump, I would like this poll

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Speaker 1: because this is what they were hoping for that Trump

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Speaker 1: would be, you know, in the thirties, thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 4: And then you can imagine a.

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Speaker 1: Scenario where it's like, all right, if I end up

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Speaker 1: as the primary Trump alternative and everyone sort of coalesces

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Speaker 1: around me, then I got a shot at this thing

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Speaker 1: a lot of the other holes we've been seeing. Trump

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Speaker 1: is over fifty percent, and then it's yeah, it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to see the pathway. So the problem for Ronda

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Speaker 1: Santis obviously is that he's also flatten this pole that

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Speaker 1: all these other contenders.

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Speaker 4: Are taking peace down of his pie, not just down

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Speaker 4: to Donald Trump's pie.

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Speaker 1: But you know, again, I think that this is one

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Speaker 1: of the more hopeful polls that the Trump alternatives have

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Speaker 1: probably seen because it kind of is twenty sixteen throwback.

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Speaker 1: They could tell themselves like, oh, maybe this is kind

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Speaker 1: of his ceiling here, and if we can just coalesce

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Speaker 1: behind one alternative.

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Speaker 4: We'll be able to get the I've done.

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Speaker 1: So, Yeah, that's that's what it looks like in New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire a little more interesting than some of the other

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Speaker 1: state poles or national polls that we've been seeing. And

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Speaker 1: the most shocking to me is the Doug Bergham at

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Speaker 1: six percent.

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Speaker 4: Did not see that one coming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I really want to interview him,

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Speaker 4: So we put it as in.

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Speaker 3: Please come on the show, we will be we will

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Speaker 3: be fair.

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Speaker 1: You know, we ask policy questions. Is that one will

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Speaker 1: tell you, but we will be fair. We want to

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Speaker 1: hear your plans of the nation. We want to hear

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Speaker 1: what people in New Hampshire are seeing in you. So

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Speaker 1: please please come on the show so we can give.

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Speaker 4: You so we can talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: So we mentioned Chris Christy there.

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Speaker 1: He's making a big play in New Hampshire as former

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Speaker 1: New Jersey governory and he's kind of geographically close. And

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Speaker 1: then also because of the presence and importance of independence

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Speaker 1: in that primary, I think he's hopeful that his just

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Speaker 1: really directly unvarnished anti Trump takes will play well. And

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Speaker 1: his political persona has always been that of like the

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Speaker 1: fighter who's not afraid to get in there and mix

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Speaker 1: it up, and you know, have the debate the have

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Speaker 1: the aggressive discussion, the contentious discussion, et cetera. So in

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Speaker 1: that vein, he went on with Eric Bowling over at

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Speaker 1: Newsmax and they had that contentious discussion. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: listening to a little bit of what he had to

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Speaker 1: say about Donald Trump and January sixth.

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Speaker 10: Take listen, Chris Christy, do you think Donald Trump had

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Speaker 10: an interest in inciting the overthrow of the American government

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Speaker 10: that day?

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Speaker 7: Well? Quite, frankly, I don't think he cared one way

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Speaker 7: or the other.

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Speaker 3: Eric.

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Speaker 7: I think what he wanted was to stay in office,

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Speaker 7: and I don't think he cared one way or the

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Speaker 7: other what was going to happen. In fact, if he

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Speaker 7: really did care, he would have done what he said

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Speaker 7: he was going to do. When he stood on the ellipse,

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Speaker 7: he said, let's march up to the Capitol together, and

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Speaker 7: I'm going to go with you, and he went nowhere

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Speaker 7: near it. Eric. He didn't care what was going to

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Speaker 7: happen up there. He sent people up there to put pressure,

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Speaker 7: I believe, on Mike Penson, on members of Congress to

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Speaker 7: stall the peaceful transition of power. And he said as

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Speaker 7: much later on when he said that it's okay to

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Speaker 7: suspend the Constitution. You can't take an oath eric to

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Speaker 7: say you're going to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution

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Speaker 7: and then say it's okay to suspend it.

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Speaker 1: So I obviously I respect Chris Christine for saying what

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Speaker 1: he actually thinks on this. I think it's a lot

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Speaker 1: less embarrassing than the way that every other Republican contender

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Speaker 1: tries to like, you know, like tiptoe around it and

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Speaker 1: comes up with their talking points. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: real audience for what Chris Christy is saying here. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think that that audience exists in very large

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Speaker 1: quantities within the Republican dase. I think actually in that

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Speaker 1: way reminds me a little bit of RFK Junior. Is

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Speaker 1: there an audience for what he's saying is ues he's

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Speaker 1: leaning into. Yes?

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Speaker 4: Is it a Democratic primary audience? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: That's always a problem you know, for especially anybody who's

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Speaker 2: trying to hit more like centrist or heterodox or like

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Speaker 2: untapped audiences, is that the most tapped people on Earth

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Speaker 2: are the primary base. And it's because they're the ones

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Speaker 2: who mostly have the power whenever it comes to voting,

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Speaker 2: and they select the nominees that we eventually get to

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Speaker 2: choose from. It's part of the reason why the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of people do feel disconnected from the political process.

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Speaker 2: But it's a backwards loop because then the people who

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Speaker 2: are actually invested in the political process are the people

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Speaker 2: who don't want to hear reality really on left or

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Speaker 2: on right. So that's I think the big spiral for

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy, especially whenever it comes to the specific anti

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Speaker 2: Trump message. We should always remember that for a lot

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Speaker 2: of Republicans, they don't like what happened on January sixth,

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Speaker 2: but they don't think it was the end of the world,

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Speaker 2: and they don't particularly care all that much at this point,

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Speaker 2: and they especially see it as mostly a dem plot

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Speaker 2: to try and hang Trump. Then, also, on top of

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Speaker 2: that the personal affection that most of these people have

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Speaker 2: for Trump. He is the most popular Republican since Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there really isn't a Republican figure like him

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Speaker 2: that is alive today, and that's why I think it's

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Speaker 2: so difficult for people to wrap their heads around it.

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Speaker 2: Mitt Romney was the nominee, but people never really liked

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Speaker 2: him the way that they liked Trump. John McCain was

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Speaker 2: the nominee, but as evidence by people turning on him,

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Speaker 2: they never really liked him the same way. George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush is like a whole other league of his own.

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Speaker 2: It's been decades, really since we've had a leader like

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Speaker 2: Trump who remains so tremendously popular at a pop culture level,

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Speaker 2: almost with the conservative base, that turning against him on

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Speaker 2: an actual personal level is just a terrible political tactic.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's telling that the guy who possively

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Speaker 1: defends him the Vecoramaswaman most unapologetically defends him over all

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Speaker 1: of his actions is also the one that's like catching

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Speaker 1: the most steam in the polls right now. Like that's

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Speaker 1: an accident that kind of tells you who's still top

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Speaker 1: dog within the Republican Party. But I will say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was watching Ron Desanta said something like mildly critical

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, like he should have done a little

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Speaker 1: bit more, a little bit more quickly.

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Speaker 4: On that day. I really like the.

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Speaker 1: Most tepid criticism possible, And there was some online backlash

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Speaker 1: from Trump people, and his campaign is immediately walking.

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Speaker 4: Oh, they didn't give the full context.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, of course we feel like

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Speaker 1: President Trump is great and wonderful, et cetera. It's just

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Speaker 1: embarrassing that the tap dance and some of these people

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Speaker 1: feel that they have to do.

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Speaker 4: We wanted to show you a little bit more from.

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Speaker 1: That exchange with Chris Christy and Eric Bowling, because I

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Speaker 1: do think Chris Christy has already qualified for the debate stage.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's met the pulling requirements, and he's met

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Speaker 1: the donor requirements him, Tim Scott, Trump sand and one

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Speaker 1: other one not sure who it was, but anyway, they've

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Speaker 1: all met the polling requirements.

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Speaker 4: So he will be on a debate stage.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that the fact that Chris Christi

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Speaker 1: will be up there is a big part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why Donald Trump will decide, you know that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be there because Chris Christy is skilled

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Speaker 1: in this kind of give and take, he can potentially

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Speaker 1: let in a blow.

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Speaker 4: It does create some level of risk for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, let's take a listen to a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the combat between him and Eric Boling.

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Speaker 10: What motivates Chris Christy to run for president? Is it

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Speaker 10: to take out Donald Trump? Or Chris Christy is sort

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Speaker 10: of fulfilling some sort of emotional void they're looking for

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Speaker 10: why are you running?

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Speaker 7: All right? Well, Eric, are you a psychiatrist today? You know,

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Speaker 7: if you're a psychiatrist, spend more time on the former

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Speaker 7: president than you will on me. If he gets on

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Speaker 7: the stage, he's about to be uncrowned as the best

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Speaker 7: debater in politics. And by the way, if he is, Eric,

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Speaker 7: that he should get on that stage.

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Speaker 10: Would you be as vice president if he asked you?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 7: I spoke to Mike Pence the job I spoke to

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Speaker 7: Mike Pence the jobs of the sale like it was

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Speaker 7: too great.

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Speaker 1: It's really sad to me that, Yeah, I know, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: It's really sad to me.

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Speaker 1: That neither of the top two candidates feels like they

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Speaker 1: have to be held accountable by the American people, that

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Speaker 1: they don't have to debate, that they see it as

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Speaker 1: their political interest not to take any sort of risk

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Speaker 1: and not put themselves out there.

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Speaker 4: And it really is pathetic on both sides.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, in terms of the debate, I wish

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Speaker 2: Trump was going to show up, not only just for

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Speaker 2: comic relief factor, but he should get pressed by not

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Speaker 2: only just Chris Christy, but any of them. They should

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Speaker 2: actually have to draw some sort of contrast at the

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Speaker 2: same time, because we don't have the ability to compel politically.

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Speaker 2: I do think he's making the right move, even DeSantis

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Speaker 2: at this point, you know, I mean, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be tricky up there for him because all the governors

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Speaker 2: and all these people who are thinking why not me,

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Speaker 2: are just going to aim all of their fire directly

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Speaker 2: at him. I've also seen Vivik Ramaswami take several shots

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Speaker 2: at Ron DeSantis. Nikki Haley feels very comfortable kicking sideways

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Speaker 2: whenever it's Ron and not Trump. So he's definitely, I think,

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Speaker 2: going to take it on the chin while he's up there.

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Speaker 2: And then you know, speaking to some sort of empty

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Speaker 2: podium or speaking about somebody who's just not present doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the same level of actual criticism, and it almost

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Speaker 2: does make them seem beneath Trump, you know, on the

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Speaker 2: Biden front.

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Speaker 3: Two, it's the same problem.

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Speaker 2: If you have effectively coronations on a primary side. It's

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Speaker 2: a terrible and really just it's a system which is

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Speaker 2: obviously sclerotic and is dying whenever you don't actually have

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Speaker 2: real competition within it. And then you just get to

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Speaker 2: the point where most most Americans fall in a trap

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Speaker 2: of they really only have two choices whenever they go

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Speaker 2: to the ballot box. That's just not how the system

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Speaker 2: was supposed to work.

881
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's absolutely right. All right, Let's get some

882
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: to some of the fun stuff here. Some interesting studies

883
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: that have come out that we wanted to parse through.

884
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: So the first one, let's put this up on the screen,

885
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: is we've been talking about the work from home revolution,

886
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: the fact that there's been this huge shift towards hybrid work.

887
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: In particular. There's a new study. This is from McKenzie,

888
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,959
Speaker 4: so keep that in mind.

889
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: But anyway, about who exactly prefers working from home and

890
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: who actually prefers working in the office. They found that

891
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: the biggest holdouts on the five day office week are

892
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: the bosses. Nearly half of the most senior employees are

893
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: holding fast to their work from home days. And they

894
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: talk here about how some of the senior executives, you know,

895
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: they really see this as like a key. They've really

896
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: incorporated this into their life. They are unwilling to change

897
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: their habits. I frankly can't blame them if they've become

898
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: accustomed to that, and they are even willing to give

899
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: up additional pay in order to keep their work from

900
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: home flexibility. Let me give you some of the specific

901
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: numbers here. They did a survey of thirteen thousand office

902
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: workers in six different countries, so this isn't just us specific.

903
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: They found the largest share of employees who strongly prefer

904
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: to work from home, or those who earn more than

905
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty k. That group said they were

906
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: likely to quit their jobs if they were called back

907
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: to the office every day, and they were willing to

908
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: trade more than twenty percent of their compensation to work

909
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: their preferred number of days at home. And it basically

910
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: was the case that you know, as you go further

911
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: down the income level, and as you go down the

912
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: seniority level, more junior employees were much more interested in

913
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: being back in the office. And Sager, I mean, there's

914
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: a few things to say about this. The first thing

915
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: that I'll say is that really is kind of logical

916
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: because if you're just starting out in your career, you're

917
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: a young person, you want to be able to network,

918
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: you want to be able to get to know people,

919
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: you want to be able to establish yourself. Maybe you

920
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: just came out of college and you're used to having

921
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: this whole network of friends all around you all the time.

922
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: You're more in the social.

923
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: Network building phase of your life, it does make sense

924
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: that you would be more interested in being in the

925
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: office where it's easier to engage in those type of activities.

926
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, I mean this confirms actually something that

927
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: anecdotally have been able to pick up. I knew a

928
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: lot of people who were working from home well withinto

929
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.

930
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: Not by choice.

931
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: They were doing so because their bosses didn't want to

932
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: go back and kept coming up with reasons like first

933
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: it was omicron, then they can't forget what the next

934
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: one after that one was, but they were like.

935
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: Oh, it's still not safe.

936
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: And then it eventually turned out though that they didn't

937
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: care about COVID because in their private lives they were

938
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: going to parties, they were traveling and all that. They

939
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: were just using it as an excuse for not wanting

940
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: to be compelled to get back in the car to

941
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: arrange daycare, to arrange drop off. And I just want

942
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: to say I totally understand and get that from their perspective,

943
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: but I do think it was unfair because rather than

944
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: telling the truth about the want for flexibility. They instead

945
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: imposed a work from home regime on everyone, and what

946
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: ended up happening is a lot of younger employees, especially

947
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: people who had started their jobs remotely, really had a

948
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: desire to get to know their coworkers. And I think

949
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: there's two things, which is in an entry level job,

950
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: there are two things you are learning how to be

951
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: in employee number one, which what humans are social creatures?

952
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: Like you are learning office politics. You are learning like

953
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: is the boss prickly? Is he somebody gonna approach about this?

954
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: Or is he somebody I kind of have to go

955
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: through normal channels or she? You know, I'm learning like

956
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: how exactly do we have problem solving? When the bosses

957
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: find a problem? Who do they call in order to

958
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: talk to? How do I get to know those people

959
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: if I want to have some sort of advancement? And

960
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: then second is socially you know, you really are. I

961
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: went through this certainly, and you're twenty two years old,

962
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: graduate from college. It feels very disruptive. You have no

963
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: idea really what's happening, and you start out with a

964
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: bunch of other people who are your age and sometimes

965
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: a little bit older, and so you both form like

966
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: a cohort of people who you're starting out with, and

967
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: then you also get to know people who are a

968
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: little bit older than you and they're like, yeah, that's

969
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: what they say, but here's how it really works, and

970
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, Like hey, here's how I navigated

971
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 2: this same situation. I can't emphasize how valuable that is

972
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: to firm. Really, like the twenty two whis almost like

973
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven age. And for people I know, many who

974
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: started jobs remotely, they actually ran into problems that if

975
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: they were in person never would have been something they violated,

976
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: like office culture. But how are they supposed to know.

977
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 2: They never understood office culture. They just got their stupid

978
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: rule book and HR. So it's one of those where

979
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: I have total sympathy. I also do want to say,

980
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: for everyone who's watching this, this is not an issue

981
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: for anybody who works in the blue collar office. This

982
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: is purely a white collar phenomenon, which is why people

983
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: spend so much time on that. So as much sympathy

984
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: as I do have for these people, it is also

985
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: a great problem to have because blue collar workers do

986
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: not have to deal with any of what we're talking about.

987
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: They're much more worried with being scheduled at six am

988
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: and then also being scheduled at midnight like the next

989
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: day afterwards.

990
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 4: Yes, true. Just to give you some more of the

991
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: numbers to back this up.

992
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: So, the highest income bracket that they tested was people

993
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: who are earning more than a fifty K. Of them

994
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: a third thirty three percent say they strongly prefer to

995
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: work from home versus the office. For the lowest income

996
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: bracket they tested less than fifty k, it was only

997
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: nine percent.

998
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: So thirty three percent for.

999
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: The highest income said we really want to be at home,

1000
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: and only nine percent for the lowest income bracket said

1001
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: the same for by seniority level. At the senior level,

1002
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: forty four percent say they strongly prefer working from home.

1003
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: At the mid level, fifty percent say they strongly prefer

1004
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: working from home, the junior level.

1005
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: Only six percent. So this is really a.

1006
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: Big divide in terms of office culture preference. And you know,

1007
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: I think like most people at this point, they haven't

1008
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: they're not fully working from home.

1009
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: It's more of a hybrid system.

1010
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: They're in the office a couple of days a week,

1011
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: they're at home a couple of days a week, or

1012
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: like week one week off whatever. That's mostly what things

1013
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: have moved towards. That's probably for a lot of people

1014
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: a pretty decent balance and midpoint between the two preferences here.

1015
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: But the other thing tells me, Sager, we've covered a

1016
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: lot of what's going on in downtown's, especially in tech

1017
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: heavy downtown's San Francisco, La, the way that the downtown

1018
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: life has been completely offended and a lot of vitality

1019
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: just completely stuck down by the change in work habits.

1020
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: The fact that it's the boss class that is most

1021
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: committed to this tells you this.

1022
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 4: Is not going to change.

1023
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, gowhere, I mean.

1024
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: So you know, if it was the junior workers who

1025
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: were like, no, I really want to be at home,

1026
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: then that might be more subject to change. They may

1027
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: be like, no, we want your butts back in seats

1028
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: at the office. But since it is the senior workers

1029
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: who are most committed to this, Downtown's really this is

1030
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: not changing. That's we're not going back to a pre

1031
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: pandemic normal. This is the new reality of a hybrid

1032
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: office job worker life where you're partly at home, partly

1033
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: in the office, and the ramifications for this for downtown's

1034
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: are just indescribably.

1035
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 4: Massive and across the whole ecosystem.

1036
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, all of the businesses that

1037
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: spring up around office culture, life, the lunch spots and

1038
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: all the rest, the dry cleaners, like all the things

1039
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: that locate close to the office to be convenient for workers.

1040
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: They have already been hit really hard. It's not going

1041
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: to change, and cities have got to come up with

1042
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: another plan to you know, build out more housing, bring people,

1043
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: more people in for other parts of their life because

1044
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: the office piece it ain't coming back.

1045
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean anecdotally again, Washington, d C. Had one

1046
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: of the biggest like a boom in terms of the

1047
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: downtown culture. Our businesses, lunch spots, happy hour bars, all

1048
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: the things that kind of pop up in a normal

1049
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: downtown that have nothing to do actually with office space.

1050
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: Well all of those are mostly dead.

1051
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: I mean only the corporate chains are the ones that

1052
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: really survived, like the Starbucks is and you know a

1053
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: few lunch spots. But many of the little owned businesses

1054
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: that even I used to frequent, honestly, they're gone.

1055
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: And it's very sad.

1056
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Many of them were family owned businesses that had been

1057
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: in the family for multiple generations.

1058
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 3: They were very proud of it.

1059
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: Some of the ones by the White House had some

1060
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: history even attached to them, and yeah, they're effectively empty now.

1061
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: I was actually just down there the other day and

1062
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: I was walking around. It was like one o'clock, and

1063
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: I was like, I cannot believe that this is how

1064
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: empty it is. And you know, I personally have so

1065
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 2: many memories of meeting people in coffee shops or whatever.

1066
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: A whole portion of my entire early career in these places.

1067
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: And that's why even whenever I hear about hybrid work,

1068
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, we come in three days a week,

1069
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: that's still a forty percent drop in overall foot traffic.

1070
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: And that's for people who are coming in. So the

1071
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: metro system is not working as well. You know, the

1072
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: downtown is not functioning as well. And a lot of

1073
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: that actually functioned financially on people coming in not only

1074
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: five days a week, but in a DC like a

1075
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 2: true workaholic culture, like being around there for the vast

1076
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 2: majority of their day. And it's changed completely like geographic

1077
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: like moving patterns, traffic pattern burns, rush hour is now

1078
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: three o'clock. Apparently, just I want to put the memo

1079
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: out there Apparently that's how things work now.

1080
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of interesting stuff going on as

1081
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 3: a result of this.

1082
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's a good transition to the next thing

1083
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: that we wanted to cover, which is that apparently America

1084
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: is becoming a nation of early birds, much like you

1085
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: and me and Sager put this stuff on the screen.

1086
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: This was really interesting. So they talked to all these

1087
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: restaurant owners and you know, people running Broadway shows and whatever.

1088
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: This is also from the Wall Street Jirl. They say

1089
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: America is becoming a nation of early birds. Twenty new

1090
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: restaurants are closing their kitchens at eight pm. Movie theaters

1091
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: are swapping late night screenings for matinees. Hybrid and remote

1092
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: workers itching to leave the house as soon as they

1093
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: close their laptops are fueling the shift. Restaurants are now

1094
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: seating ten percent of diners between two and five pm.

1095
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: That's up from five percent and twenty nineteen, dinner parties

1096
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Speaker 1: starting as early as five pm on Broadway. A third

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Speaker 1: of shows now running on Broadway starting seven o'clock hour

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Speaker 1: on Fridays. That was unheard of apparently a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: You also have just some of the hard data Uber

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00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: trips to restaurants in the four pm hour have increased

1101
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: nearly ten percent since twenty nineteen. Rides to restaurants after

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Speaker 1: eight pm are down nine percent. They spoke with a

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Speaker 1: a woman who owns a dine in cinema theater that

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00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: recently ended late night screenings. She says that her theater

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00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: now does seventy five percent of its business before the

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Speaker 1: eight pm show, which.

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Speaker 4: Is now the latest offered. Previously it was only forty

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Speaker 4: five percent.

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Speaker 1: So seventy five percent of their business now before the

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Speaker 1: eight pm show. It used to be less than a majority,

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Speaker 1: And she has a quote here she says, before we

1112
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Speaker 1: would definitely have a soldout eight or nine o'clock show.

1113
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: Now we are lucky to fill twenty seats out of

1114
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Speaker 1: one hundred. Instead of the late night shows, they've added

1115
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: a three pm show, which she is shocked by how

1116
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: popular it is, and she suspects it's a lot of

1117
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: those work from home people who are like, you know,

1118
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: surreptitiously on their phone on their iPhone, like sending a

1119
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: little email while they're watching whatever the lest movie is

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Speaker 1: and sort of pretending like they're still doing their work

1121
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: while they are out enjoying themselves, which you know, I'm

1122
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: not hating on that. Why go do what you gotta do, though,

1123
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Speaker 1: is absolutely fine? But what'd you make of this saga?

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00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: This is interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm loving it, and I can tell you this right now.

1126
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: This is my personal favorite line. In New Orleans, notorious

1127
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: for late nights, concert promoters used to schedule main acts

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Speaker 2: to start as late.

1129
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Speaker 3: As one am.

1130
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Speaker 2: Now a typical event starts at six and ends at eleven.

1131
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, am, I the only guy who thinks

1132
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: the concerts start obnoxiously late. There's no reason that people

1133
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 2: need to be coming on stage at ten thirty. Okay,

1134
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: it's out of control, blink one eighty two. I'll do

1135
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 2: it for you, But everybody else it ain't gonna happen.

1136
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: And that I mean, that's actually what I tweeted out

1137
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: at the time. I was like, listen, if a dinner

1138
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: starts at seven thirty, I'm not going like, it's just

1139
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: not going to happen. I've luckily, I at least reached

1140
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: the level of my career where I don't have to

1141
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: artificially stay up until like two in the morning to

1142
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: schmooze with people who I don't even particularly like.

1143
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Speaker 3: In the first place.

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Speaker 2: But it seems that those people even now, even they

1145
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: are making sure that they are not staying out as

1146
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: late anymore. So I do think this is a profound

1147
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: impact of work from home. Also, though you know, people know,

1148
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: I'm like obsessed with my sleep data, and this is

1149
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: largely at post pandemic. There's a lot of data actually

1150
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 2: to show that people started sleeping a lot better and

1151
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: actually transition in their hours during the pandemic. During lockdown

1152
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 2: in particular, people added I believe, almost thirty to forty

1153
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: five minutes of sleep, and most importantly, they normalized their

1154
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: sleep schedules. One of the most pernicious things for sleep

1155
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 2: is something called social jet lag. And the idea is,

1156
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: you know, people like you and I who wake up

1157
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: ungodly early. Whenever we were waking up, let's say every

1158
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 2: day at five am, but then on weekends you'd stay

1159
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: out until two or three.

1160
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Speaker 3: In the morning, and then you wake up at eleven.

1161
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: It actually has a profound effect on your circadian clock

1162
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: because you're effectively always in transition. So one day, you

1163
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: know you're on a five am schedule, then you're at

1164
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: eleven am, and then you're back to five ams. They're

1165
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: always in transitioning, you're never going to be perfectly well rested.

1166
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: Going to bed and waking up at the same time

1167
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 2: every day or roughly around the same time is the

1168
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: best thing you can do, both going for your sleep

1169
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,760
Speaker 2: and for your health, you know, which is profoundly set

1170
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Speaker 2: by circadian rhythms.

1171
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Speaker 3: So that's one.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of this from Matthew Walker, by

1173
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: the way, if anybody's interested, he's got a great book,

1174
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 2: and also he's been on several podcasts. But also it

1175
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 2: gets to some of the workaholism culture also that pervaded

1176
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: and also, you know, a grindset. Now I don't think

1177
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: grindset is always bad, but I think it was profoundly

1178
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: bad whenever it was impacting people's sleep. I could definitely

1179
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: say this from you know, a career perspective, a lot

1180
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: of people did not actually have to be at the

1181
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 2: office until seven thirty or eight o'clock.

1182
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: They just did it because it was part of the culture.

1183
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 2: And then they would go out afterwards again to just

1184
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: prove to everybody how tough they were. They're like, yeah,

1185
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 2: I can party till one am and then still be

1186
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: at the office at six am the next day. That

1187
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: is not sustainable for more than like a year or two,

1188
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: and even at that time was terrible for everyone's health.

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Speaker 2: Like in terms of what they were doing, they're just

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: young enough that they weren't paying attention or noticing any

1191
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: of it. So I don't even really think that people

1192
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: are becoming early birds. I think this is what happens

1193
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: when you remove some of the stupid social expectations and

1194
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: you give people more flexibility for what they want to do.

1195
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: And you know, I can say personally, like I never

1196
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: wanted to eat dinner at nine or ten o'clock, Like

1197
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: it was just one of those where you did it

1198
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: because that's what everybody else is doing. I will also

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Speaker 2: say that in many party destinations this does remain the same.

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Speaker 2: So when people are truly off the clock, they do

1201
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 2: seem to be eating a lot later, like places I'm

1202
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 2: thinking like Vegas, Miami, you know, dinners really don't start

1203
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: there untill nine nine thirty, whereas like in even New

1204
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: York City, which does have a notorious like late night culture,

1205
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 2: I think some of it does remain. But yeah, I

1206
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: mean I think it's it's very interesting, and you know,

1207
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: it's obviously much more beneficial to my schedule that I'm like,

1208
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: you know, can we go eat at five thirty six

1209
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: o'clock and people don't say no anymore.

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Speaker 1: It makes me very happy that the whole world is

1211
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: now conforming to my own personal businesses.

1212
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Speaker 4: So it's a real win for us.

1213
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I have personally always just sort

1214
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: of naturally inclined towards being a morning person. And then

1215
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: I was a swimmer, so I had to do the

1216
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: early morning you know, swim routine, even you know, in

1217
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: college and whatever.

1218
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Speaker 4: So I think that made it even more ingrained for me.

1219
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, in our show's schedule, we certainly

1220
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: are up very early.

1221
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Speaker 4: But I do feel like.

1222
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: You're sort of part of this transition because you used

1223
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: to be more of an i ow, more like burning

1224
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: the candle at both ends kind of a guy, and

1225
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: now you've adjusted your sleep schedule. And for me, just

1226
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: as I get older, I'm realizing more and more how like,

1227
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: I cannot underestimate how important getting enough sleep is, and

1228
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: I certainly see it in my kids as well. If

1229
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: they miss an hour too, you know, can send the

1230
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: whole day sideways without much problem. So it's interesting to

1231
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: me though, I mean, basically, with the pandemic, we sort

1232
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: of reset everybody's whole work life, social clocks, everything, And

1233
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: now we've sort of shaken the thing up and seen

1234
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: what habits are going to stick and what things are

1235
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: going to revert.

1236
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 4: Back to the mean. And I do think this goes

1237
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 4: hand in.

1238
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: Glove with the hybrid work discussion we were just having,

1239
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: which is, you know, if you're already at your place

1240
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: of work and you're starting a little bit earlier, and

1241
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: then you're finishing a little bit earlier, then that just

1242
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: moves everything up a couple hours, and that amounts to

1243
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: a huge, huge difference over.

1244
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 3: Time, one hundred percent. And yeah, you're right, I mean anecdotally.

1245
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the reason why I used to

1246
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: be that way is just because this was was the

1247
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: DC culture. The DC culture was it was work hard,

1248
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: it was play hard. It was late nights and it

1249
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: was early mornings. And actually I never really started waking

1250
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: up early until I started working at the White House

1251
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: as a White House correspondent, and that was only because

1252
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: Trump would get his ass up at like four thirty

1253
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: morning and start sending crazy tweets. So if you're waking

1254
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: up at seven, you're hours behind already the new schedule,

1255
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: but at the same time, the social structure did not adjust,

1256
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: so everyone, all of us who were covering it, just

1257
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: got like four hours of sleep every night, which is

1258
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: terrible for you. And you begin to realize that especially,

1259
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: I think, really what it is is and people who

1260
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: have lost a lot of weight, like I have, you

1261
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: know from the past what you don't You don't realize

1262
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: it until you're out of it, as in, you get

1263
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: used to a very baseline level of like misery and

1264
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 2: like discontent, and you just think, like, this is reality,

1265
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: and then you experience anew your reality.

1266
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: You're like, I can't even believe that I used to

1267
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 3: live that way.

1268
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 2: But when you did live that way, you had no

1269
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: other point of reference. So point of reference, I think

1270
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: is very important. That's another reason why I don't think

1271
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: that this is going to change, which is you can't

1272
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 2: force people to go back to that type of life

1273
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: whenever they have tasted something else. It really is, it's

1274
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's so profound, as you're saying the

1275
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: mental effects of getting a decent amount of sleep every night,

1276
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: that you really are not going to give that up

1277
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: and are even willing to sacrifice as many of these

1278
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: bosses we talked about previously. You know, twenty five thousand dollars,

1279
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: if you're making one hundred and fifty, you're talking about

1280
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: a marginal increase in your salary, but for possibly like

1281
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: a massive increase in your baseline level of misery. That's

1282
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: not a good trade, and I think they're correct actually

1283
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: to turn that down.

1284
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

1285
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: So to tie it all together, I overall think that

1286
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: it is a very beneficial thing. If Americans are becoming

1287
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: less like putting work at the very center of their

1288
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: lives and everything revolving around work, and being able to

1289
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: make more choices and have more of a natural like

1290
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: rhythm to their days, I think that is potentially a

1291
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: very good.

1292
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 3: Thing, hopefully. All right, Chrissel, what are you taking a

1293
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 3: look at?

1294
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: A horrifying incident on an airplane at Las Vegas Airport.

1295
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 4: Let's go and put this up on the screen.

1296
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: So they were dealing with extreme heat temperatures there one

1297
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: hundred and eleven degrees and this plane was apparently sitting

1298
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: on the Taram Mac with limited or no AC and

1299
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: passengers started fainting, falling out, some even apparently soiling themselves

1300
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: at least five people wheeled off of this plane and stretchers.

1301
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: The pilot instructed passengers to quote, hit your call button

1302
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: if you're having a medical emergency. You also had flight

1303
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: attendants who fell ill during the four hours that this

1304
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: group was held on this hot, idling plane. Let's take

1305
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: a listen to a little bit of what this sounded

1306
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: like for the passengers on the scene.

1307
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 5: All right, everyone out speaking, We certainly knew again apologizing.

1308
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 3: Very hot back there.

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Speaker 4: Are cooling is going.

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Speaker 7: To occur while passengers are.

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Speaker 4: On the air grin, I mean, just absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 1: There was actually a Fox News producer who was on

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Speaker 1: the flight who was talking about all the babies that

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Speaker 1: were screaming and just what a horrific situation it was.

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Speaker 4: Eventually they got.

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Speaker 1: Them off the plane and then they canceled the flight

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Speaker 1: because they didn't have any crew that could work with

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Speaker 1: because the crew themselves had fallen ill in these extreme temperatures.

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Speaker 1: So no surprise that these type of extreme temperatures are

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Speaker 1: horrible on your body, have huge impacts on people. And

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Speaker 1: this comes, of course, as we've seen much of the

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Speaker 1: country and actually much of the world suffering through extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: high temperatures things that we've never seen before. But there's

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Speaker 1: new research that says it's not just our bodies that

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Speaker 1: suffer with extreme temperatures. It actually really impacts our minds.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen from heat map.

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Speaker 1: The headlighting here is your mind.

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Speaker 4: Might be overheating.

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Speaker 1: They cite a few different studies here about the impact

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Speaker 1: on mental health from extreme temperatures. One study looked at

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Speaker 1: the correlation between heat waves and deaths by suicide and

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Speaker 1: found monthly suicide rates rose more than two percent due

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Speaker 1: to temperatures in the hottest months.

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Speaker 4: Another study, this one.

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Speaker 1: Was published just this last year, looked at emergency room

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Speaker 1: visits for mental health throughout the US during the summer

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Speaker 1: months between twenty ten and twenty nineteen. They found a

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Speaker 1: five to ten percent increase in visits on the hottest days.

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Speaker 1: There were a whole variety of conditions that were identified

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Speaker 1: as part of that surge.

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Speaker 4: They said.

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Speaker 1: The study didn't assess causes, but the authors did hypothesize

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Speaker 1: one factor could be disruptions to sleep due to heat.

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Speaker 1: That was something Soccer and I were actually just discussing

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Speaker 1: the importance of sleep. They cite another paper which found

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Speaker 1: an association between higher nighttime temperatures and self reported nights

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Speaker 1: of insufficient sleep. Heat can also trigger physiological responses that

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Speaker 1: exacerbate mental health conditions, like the release of stress hormones

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Speaker 1: that send your body into fight or flight mode. In

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Speaker 1: addition to the studies that they cite here, there's been

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Speaker 1: a long term, well known trend of violence and crime

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Speaker 1: spiking when temperatures rise, regardless of whether it's in the

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Speaker 1: summer months or at any other time of year. There

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Speaker 1: is a correlation between increase and ten an increase in

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Speaker 1: violent crimes. So clearly it gets to people. It affects

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Speaker 1: them in a lot of different ways.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: In that study as well, they talk to one therapist.

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Speaker 1: They were asking you, does this show up and when

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Speaker 1: you're talking to clients, when you're talking to patients, do

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Speaker 1: they talk about the heat in terms of how it

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Speaker 1: impacts them? And they said, well, the people who we

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Speaker 1: mostly are able to see. You know, these are people

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Speaker 1: who are well off enough to be paying for this

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Speaker 1: type of therapy, so they have the luxury of having air.

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Speaker 4: Conditioning, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Some of them talk about how the extreme temperatures keep

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Speaker 1: them from being able to work out outside and that

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Speaker 1: that's really key to their mental health. But what they

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Speaker 1: pointed to is angst about climate change in impacting people

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Speaker 1: and impacting their mental health. And it reminded me actually

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Speaker 1: of the charts that Soccer and I took a look

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Speaker 1: at that show that people who are liberal are more

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Speaker 1: likely to have a lot of more negative feelings about themselves,

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Speaker 1: a lot more negative feelings about the future. Some of

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Speaker 1: that could be attributed to concerns about the climate crisis,

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Speaker 1: but this is increasingly becoming a really widespread concern. Understandably

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Speaker 1: so given the fact that we all are basically suffering

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Speaker 1: through some sort of extreme weather as we speak. Got

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. This is the polling

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Speaker 1: about how people are feeling about the climate. Majority expecting

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Speaker 1: significant negative effect from climate change.

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Speaker 4: According to this new.

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Speaker 1: Quinta Kiak poll, they found fifty five percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: expecting a significant negative effect, two thirds of respondent saying

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Speaker 1: they are concerned about climate change, including forty two percent

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Speaker 1: saying they are very unconcerned, twenty five percent saying they

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Speaker 1: are somewhat concerned.

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Speaker 4: So clearly this is hanging over a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: But just to wrap things up here, I guess what

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Speaker 1: I would say is it's very clear the way that

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Speaker 1: these temperatures impact people directly. The people who are most

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Speaker 1: impacted are homeless people, people who work outside for a

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Speaker 1: living and are putting their bodies through unbelievable stress in

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Speaker 1: these extreme temperatures.

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Speaker 4: But there are a lot of follow on effects.

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Speaker 1: Here that we are just beganning to wrap our heads around.

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Speaker 1: So make sure you're taking your care of yourself, body, mind,

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Speaker 1: take care of each other, because we all might be

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Speaker 1: losing it a little bit as temperatures get more and

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Speaker 1: more extreme. And sorry, I thought I was fascinating to

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Speaker 1: take a look at some of the follow on effects that.

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Speaker 3: They see here.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 4: All right, sorry, were were looking at.

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Speaker 2: We spent a good chunk of the show on Monday

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Speaker 2: breaking down the extraordinary interview the Disney CEO, Bob Iiger,

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Speaker 2: granted CNBC from the lush hills of Sun.

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Speaker 3: Valley, Idaho.

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Speaker 2: The optics were terrible, the near billionaire ceo bemoaning striking

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Speaker 2: actors and writers for daring to ask their likeness not

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Speaker 2: be digitally replicated or at the very least paid well

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Speaker 2: for it. But beneath the comments on the strike was

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Speaker 2: one of the most frank and bombshell comments by the

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Speaker 2: top the TV business about the actual future of that

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Speaker 2: medium in many years from executives.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen, let.

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Speaker 4: Me ask you about it.

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Speaker 11: We're talking I guess ABC, the network, the stations, but

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Speaker 11: then the cable networks as well. Yes, the facts that geo.

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Speaker 11: Is it possible you would look to sell them?

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Speaker 12: We're going to be expensive. I think if you can

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 12: you can interpret what that word means. You know, we're

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 12: just getting at that work. But we have to be

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Speaker 12: open minded and objective about the future of those businesses.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's meaning.

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Speaker 4: That they're not core to Disney.

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Speaker 12: That they may not be core to Disney. Yeah, now

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01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 12: there's clearly creativity and content that they create that it's

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Speaker 12: core to Disney. But the distribution model, the business model

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Speaker 12: that forms the underpinning of that business and that has

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Speaker 12: delivered great profits over the years, is definitely broken and

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 12: we have to and we have to call it like

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Speaker 12: it is, and that's part of the transform of work

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Speaker 12: we're doing well.

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Speaker 11: We've been having this conversation for a very long time. Well,

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Speaker 11: I think what I'm saying is the erosion of the

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Speaker 11: linear business and now it's kind of closer to obsolescence.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, as I said, when I came back,

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Speaker 12: one of the things I discovered was that the disruptive

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01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 12: forces that have been preying on that business for a

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Speaker 12: while and greater than I thought. And so you it's

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Speaker 12: it's eye opening, you know, it's there's a there's a

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Speaker 12: reality to it that we have to come to grips

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Speaker 12: with it. And we have to come to grips with

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Speaker 12: that now. By the way, another business that is really

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Speaker 12: has benefited from that business models, but that we're looking

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Speaker 12: at very differently.

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Speaker 11: Well, I want to get ESPN obviously, but I just

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 11: to understand, so you don't know what you're going to

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01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 11: do when it comes to these linear businesses, but would

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 11: be open to ideas that would perhaps separate them or

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Speaker 11: change the structure in some way as well.

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Speaker 12: Let I'll let you speculate. I'm not going to do

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01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 12: speculating now except to say that we're very objective about

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01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 12: their future as part of our assets.

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Speaker 2: That is very long corporate speak for saying ABC and

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Speaker 2: Hulu are for sale and that linear TV itself is dead.

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Speaker 2: For those who don't know, the term linear TV just

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: means non digital available via satellite or cable TV as

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Speaker 2: part of a network or the cable bundle. Think ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN.

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Speaker 3: Fox, and MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: What makes this such a bombshell comment, though, is that

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Speaker 2: perhaps nobody on Earth is more responsible for making billions

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Speaker 2: of dollars from linear TV than Bob Eiger. Ayer got

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Speaker 2: his start at ABC before it was sold to Disney.

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Speaker 2: He was number two and then number one for years

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Speaker 2: at the Disney Corporation as he milked tens of billions

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Speaker 2: from live sports ESPN and ABC and also entertainment hits

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Speaker 2: on ABC network like Loss. The Disney juggernaut was a

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Speaker 2: juggernaut precisely because it dominated and had synergy of TV, movies,

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Speaker 2: and in person entertainment from Disney World. It used ownership

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Speaker 2: of all of these three to leverage massive profits, which

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Speaker 2: is why what he said is such a bombshell. In

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Speaker 2: the business world, as my friend Ben Thompson Overatechori explains,

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Speaker 2: the mad dash to streaming though decimated value of those

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Speaker 2: channels directly by extension, destroyed the value of the integration

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Speaker 2: that Disney built. The more the bundle subscribers became sports subscribers,

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Speaker 2: the less Disney could leverage ESPN to drive up the

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01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: value of its other channels, and the greedier sports leagues

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Speaker 2: could become in extracting the full value of their rights.

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Speaker 2: That is exactly correct. The people who pioneered leveraging traditional

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Speaker 2: TV are now telling us, plain and simple, traditional TV

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Speaker 2: is worthless. In fact, later on in the interview, Eiger

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Speaker 2: floated at private equity as a potential buyer for traditional TV.

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Speaker 2: When private equity gets their grubby hands on a network

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: like ABC, we all know what that means. They are

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Speaker 2: going to milk the last dollars from old people who

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 2: still watch cable news and local TV. They will cut

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01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 2: cost to the bone, and they will roll up local

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: papers in the hopes of squeezing the last value from them.

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Speaker 2: In fact, what Iiger is really saying is Leonard TV,

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: what's one of the most profitable businesses in the history

1495
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,440
Speaker 2: of the United States, is now basically like newspaper advertising

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: after the invention of the Internet and Craigslist. As we

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Speaker 2: see now today, the Washington Post still exists, so does

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: the New York Times, but how about your local paper

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: or even a regional one. If it does exist, it

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Speaker 2: probably has a terrible paywall, and my guess it hasn't

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Speaker 2: been really relevant for a decade.

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Speaker 3: That's the future, That's what it looks like for this business.

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Speaker 2: What is also interesting is what Iiger did say, ESPN

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: was still interested in ESPN not for the high cable

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01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 2: fees that it used to be able to demand, but

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: because it's really the only TV left out there with

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,919
Speaker 2: the semblance of an audience that still watches live sports.

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Speaker 2: In fact, is basically the only thing that still compels

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Speaker 2: a big live audience in America today. In twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: sports events accounted for all but six of the top

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Speaker 2: ten most watched telecasts of the entire year. The only

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Speaker 2: telecast in the top twenty that was not sports related

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Speaker 2: was Joe Biden's State.

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Speaker 3: Of the Union address.

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Speaker 2: Sports is here to stay, and unlike in the old days,

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Speaker 2: they really can't blackmail people into paying for the Food

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01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: Network and for CNN or Fox if you also want

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: sports like they do in the cable bundle right now.

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Speaker 2: This will have profound impacts on the future of mass

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Speaker 2: entertainment in the US, especially on politics and news. As

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Speaker 2: we've explained here before, CNN and Fox and MSNBC three

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01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:44,879
Speaker 2: network channels.

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Speaker 3: They don't make any of their.

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Speaker 2: Money from actual advertising. They make it really from cable

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Speaker 2: subscription fees. Cable companies basically take a good portion of

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Speaker 2: what you pay per month if you have the bundle,

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Speaker 2: and they give it to them. Last year it accounted

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Speaker 2: for billions of dollars in profit for all three networks.

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Speaker 2: But without sports they're dead right now, over half of

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Speaker 2: pay for TV households say live sports is the reason

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Speaker 2: that they pay for it at all. That means it's

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Speaker 2: really the only thing in the bundle that they wrote

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Speaker 2: rate as quote very important to pay for. Without it,

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Speaker 2: like Amazon and YouTube and Apple who are now going

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Speaker 2: for football rights, things are going to fade away very quickly.

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Speaker 3: How does it end?

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Speaker 2: Basically, sports will survive as part of some new entertainment

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Speaker 2: bundle bundle maybe Disney Plus will combine with Hulu and

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Speaker 2: Espn to command a similar price point to the current

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Speaker 2: cable bundle. Netflix and Apple a few other companies will

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Speaker 2: also survive. The rest will either die or they will

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Speaker 2: have to get sold off to one of the three.

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Speaker 2: As for news, you're basically looking at the type of future.

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Speaker 2: Not Breaking Points per se as much as I would

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Speaker 2: like it to be, but the format, the business model

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Speaker 2: that sustained these people for so long, the rug is

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Speaker 2: getting pulled right from under them now, just as already

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Speaker 2: happened to the newspaper business. The Washington Post and the

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Speaker 2: New York Times has said they did survive, But think again, Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: New York or San Antonio, Omaha. Traditional TV is going

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Speaker 2: to dramatically shrink in the next decade. The ocean of

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Speaker 2: people who have added negative value for our politics will

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Speaker 2: soon be unemployed. And I guess that they should learn

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Speaker 2: a different skill. In the interim, I will let you

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Speaker 2: guess what that skill should be. So I found those

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Speaker 2: comments extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: Priss and if you want to hear my reaction to

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Speaker 1: Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, I hope you guys enjoyed the show. It

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Speaker 2: may seem like we're cutting things short, but we're really not.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be some big and fun interviews that

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Speaker 2: people can take a look at that'll be coming soon.

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Speaker 2: Some will release later today, others will release over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Premium subscribers, keep an eye on your inbox for those

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Speaker 2: interviews as they become available.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you all later

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Speaker 4: The