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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast need a soft reboot? Hey, coming,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, coming to you from a

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Speaker 1: virtual room filled with heroes. Mark Sessler, right Rosenthal? What

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Speaker 1: is up, Bully? Maybe a soft reboot would just be like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we start dressing up more. Um, we start

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Speaker 1: disliking each other instead of like, oh, they're a bunch

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Speaker 1: of friends. No, now they're enemies. You know, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: often necessarily be well, it's like instead, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a marriage. At the end, you say, would you

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Speaker 1: do this all over again? I guess the question is,

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Speaker 1: would you sign up with the same you know, three

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Speaker 1: other people and producer equation all over again? Or would

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Speaker 1: you would you scramble it and bring it a whole

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Speaker 1: new bunch of people. I would do it all over

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Speaker 1: That's important. I would keep our current producer. I would

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Speaker 1: That's write a rap for Mark Sussler. Yeah, during a pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I'm re running I'm running this back. Who knows that

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Speaker 1: other combo we might be out. We're just you know,

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Speaker 1: four guys at a bar chopping it up. But what

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Speaker 1: if we became four dudes at a bar slugging it

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Speaker 1: out right, That's what I mean, is like less like

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Speaker 1: the personnel reboot, but more just a plot twist, plot

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Speaker 1: twist after seven. Well, that's what they do in professional wrestling.

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Speaker 1: It's like every once in a while, there's a staleness

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Speaker 1: they'll do in that realm is okay, like turn them

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Speaker 1: into a bad guy. See how that plays. So maybe

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Speaker 1: we just maybe not, I think we could squeeze one

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Speaker 1: more drop of a baby face version of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast, but maybe like a full on heel

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Speaker 1: turn only one against each other, not not outward. I've

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Speaker 1: been trying that the whole time. So actually I turned

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Speaker 1: into the nice guy and you guys are all jerks

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Speaker 1: like fun Yes, no, Chris Westling today west Uh is

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Speaker 1: going to join us whenever you can. He's not making

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Speaker 1: it this week but this show, but maybe coming up

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Speaker 1: again soon. But it's still I got that kind of

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Speaker 1: afterglow from west being back in the mix on Monday,

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Speaker 1: So that was that was awesome and we hope to

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Speaker 1: have him back again soon enough. UM, busy show, very

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Speaker 1: busy show today. Um we have what do we have

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Speaker 1: to get through? Here. Oh, Hard Knocks is back. The

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Speaker 1: premiere was Tuesday night. I wrote the recap that's up

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot com right now, and we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the premiere episode, uh featuring the Rams and Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Also bringing back something from last summer that I thought

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Speaker 1: the Year. We all know that come back players of

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Speaker 1: the Year are the feel good story, and we talked

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Speaker 1: the Redskins this year. But who are some of the

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Speaker 1: players that coming off a great twenty nineteen. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're gonna torpedo and find themselves out of football

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Speaker 1: by next season when we're the Heel Podcast. It means

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Speaker 1: maybe just aren't gonna be quite at the level of

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Speaker 1: production that we saw a season ago. Come down Players

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Speaker 1: of the Year turn of phrase there. I like it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the world doesn't have enough negativity in it

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Speaker 1: four weeks away. It's insane. It's time players that players

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Speaker 1: People are like decoding really fuzzy images of Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: that out as if that's great content here. But that's

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Speaker 1: where we're at right now with Rainey Camp. Alright, that

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Speaker 1: is where we're at. Very excited to get into today's show.

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Speaker 1: So let's kick it off as we always do, with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of news. Hey, and also, don't be

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Speaker 1: the guy that takes the poor potties. All right, I

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Speaker 1: you have to. And Aaron Donald cracked that case. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get to hard knocks a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: The NFL films personnel, and there's thirty of them. They

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Speaker 1: don't have access to the buildings, so let's cut them

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Speaker 1: a little break. Let's not embarrassed them. It's a human act, Greg,

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Speaker 1: it's a human act. Dan clearly, you know, just used

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Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills, who are really on the right path,

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Speaker 1: him through it's a six year deal, and obviously it's

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Speaker 1: one that he's earned very well. Yes, the Bills from

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott. I think is a group. Um he's been

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Speaker 1: had a McDermott before. It's interesting because he came up

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Speaker 1: I mean there's there's that whole mill of teams that

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Speaker 1: but it's McDermott's team. It's cool to see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no no response at all those and we got sorry.

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Speaker 1: The closest we got I think was when we um

427
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: left a mess of like used peanuts in the special

428
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: Deon Sanders Studio like the Yeah it's a big it's

429
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: a big place that I've on network. But it's pretty

430
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: impressive that Dion had his own studio essentially for his

431
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: own show. But we broke in there one time. Um,

432
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: we cleaned the mess, I believe, but we were also

433
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: told never to use it again. Right. Well, I think

434
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: we called the cleaning crew to do it. I don't

435
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: think we even had enough integrity to clean it on

436
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 1: our own, to be honest, But well, we cleaned up.

437
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: We tried after ourselves, but it was messy, as I

438
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: are called. And I didn't even know if that was

439
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: Deon studio at that point. I think it was just

440
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: his own private green room during Sundays. It was his room. Yeah,

441
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 1: it was just his room. They eventually repurposed it. But

442
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: the other thing is we were able to access Dion's

443
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: private green room with our key cards. And then shortly

444
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: thereafter after that viral internet stunt gone awry. Uh you

445
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: no longer had keycard access to the room, so they

446
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: went into the system and took care of the heroes

447
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: in a big spot. So anyway, by Dan, good luck.

448
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. Hard Knocks time Yes season,

449
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: the acclaimed HBO docuseries premiered on Tuesday night. Hard Knocks

450
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's not a criminal procedural. Let your grandparents

451
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: watch them Monday nights. It's a study of the Ramps

452
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: and Chargers as they prepare for the strangest NFL season

453
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: in our league's history. Um, we talked about in Friday Show.

454
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I had that conversation with Ken Rogers, the VP and

455
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: NFL Films and the guy who's been running the show

456
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: for years that the premier episode was gonna be a

457
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: lot different. You weren't gonna see a lot of football,

458
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: And that made sense. That wasn't some narrative choice on

459
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: Tuesday Nights episode. There was no football really to cover

460
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: for the most part, because, um, the first week of

461
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: August for the Rams and Chargers and every other team

462
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: was getting back on the uh, just getting back to

463
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: the building and doing uh, you know, obviously the testing

464
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Speaker 1: UH for COVID nineteen to make sure everything was clean

465
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Speaker 1: and figuring out the logistics you know, you know you

466
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: want you you think about what a head coach is

467
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: asked to do for a team. I thought it was

468
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: interesting you're actually watching both Anthony Lenna the Chargers, but

469
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: a scene with Sean McVeigh where he is hands on

470
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Speaker 1: and trying to figure out how to build out this

471
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: big overhang canopy tent where he's going to hold meetings

472
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: and various walk through practices with the offense and the defense.

473
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: How much thought and work and cleaning and disinfecting is

474
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: going on in a constant cycle to just try to

475
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: keep your team from the absolute tragedy that would be

476
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: an outbreak that would ruin their season and potentially blow

477
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: up the NFL. So for me, Greg in the first episode,

478
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: that was what was interesting to see. How were teams

479
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: trying to keep the players and the coaches healthy and

480
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: then how do you balance that with actually trying to

481
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: start preparing for a season with which is five weeks away.

482
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: When they take this right, you didn't have a lot

483
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: of the same beats it. It's not going to be

484
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: as high octane, especially the first week or two in

485
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: terms of the football you're also not going to have

486
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: as much time inside the players houses for obvious reason,

487
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: and in going home and sort of having that features

488
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: and so on some level it was like more informational

489
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: and like less just total entertaining. But I still I

490
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: found it fascinating because I'm just I'm interested in this world.

491
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: I love football, and like this is this is what

492
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: football is right now, and I don't love this part

493
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: of football, but I am sort of fascinated to see

494
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: how the NFL is dealing with this as we as

495
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: we all are in different ways now we're not we're

496
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: not going to work in the same way, um, but

497
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: in many ways it makes the players and the coaches

498
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: relatable in in a different way because they're going through

499
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: some of the the same things and and you get

500
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: to see kind of what people are made of behind

501
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: the scenes to I mean, just what they're like. And

502
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: and as much as we've always heard about Anthony Lynn

503
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: as like a guy that just everyone will run through

504
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: a wall for like you kind of get it now

505
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: like watching him and McVeigh for that matter, to handle

506
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: this situation as grown ups as leaders and how they

507
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: are going to navigate, you know, trying to lead eighty

508
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: nine people and even more you know when when it

509
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: comes to their staff. Yeah, I think that I agree

510
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: with Greg. And I watched it twice, and I really,

511
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: to be honest, I just I didn't enjoy it the

512
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: first time. UM. I didn't find it to be unlike

513
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: other a lot of hard knocks vehicles. I just found

514
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: it in essential. Uh that's me. At the second time

515
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: I watched it, I had a bit of a different

516
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: take UM, and the positives For me, I it centers

517
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: almost entirely around Anthony Lynn, who I had been curious about. UM.

518
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I think he along with Sean McVeigh. And I love

519
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: your note Dan about Sean McVeigh organizing how that huge

520
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: tent would be organized, because that's what you hear about

521
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh is that he's in everything, and he has

522
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: ideas about everything. He's ingenious and it's gonna be his

523
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,239
Speaker 1: program from top to bottom. Were they Anthony Lynn too?

524
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I think it's just that these coaches today, UM, they're

525
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: not gonna work if they don't relate to players. And

526
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: in the opening scene with Anthony Lynn jumping on a

527
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: zoom call a little bit late where you had UM,

528
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I think was Mike Pouncey about to tell a story

529
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: that maybe you could have been a little off color,

530
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: who knows, But Anthony Lynn jumped on and said, I'm here,

531
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm here, and you just saw them. Their eyes changed,

532
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: their energy changed, their head coaches there, and I just

533
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: think that there's a chunk of head coaches around the

534
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: league that, um, when things go bad, especially, just don't

535
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: have that grip over their players. Anthony Lynn is a

536
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: man's man. I loved Um. I'm not a big barbecue guy, obviously,

537
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: but I loved watching him barbecue with like a wedding

538
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: china spoon that his wife was a little annoyed he

539
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: was using wrapped in a napkin to base various meat products.

540
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: I just came away thinking highly of both coaches. Um,

541
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: some of the stuff in there. Uh it was twenty

542
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: five minutes in and it was all Corona, from which

543
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. I just am

544
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: excited to see where we go in the next couple

545
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: of weeks. I don't think Hard Knocks can be judged

546
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: off of the first episode almost ever. Um, there I

547
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: do see predictable beats heading I know we're gonna get

548
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: an Austin nekel Or episode. You know we're gonna get

549
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: a huge thing on basically Aaron Donald and golf and

550
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: all of it. It's all coming. But they did. I

551
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: think they had to tackle this a certain way, and

552
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: they did it. I'm glad you had that second rewatch,

553
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: Mark because you were sending off some very angry texts

554
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: last night about the premiere. Can I can I can

555
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: I re real quie what's going on? Like? Um I

556
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: I find one thing I'm not not gonna do again

557
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: is watch the show with Twitter open. It's it's it's

558
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: a hideous um tugging down of the experience that should

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: just be watched on its own for well. But it's

560
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: but even like the pressure of having to lie, I

561
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: don't know the whole thing. I just want to enjoy

562
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: it the way I wo a normal television show. It's

563
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: not a top ten show in my world. Um, it

564
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: is an NFL based show. It's pretty good. Always got

565
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: mixed feelings about I have mixed feelings. But when it's good,

566
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: it's really really good. And with Anthony Lynn and it

567
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: taught me about him, that's when it's really good. Yeah.

568
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Lynn came off really well in this episode. Um, I

569
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: look forward to learning more about him. Just some quick

570
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: notes that I had in kind of my uh recap.

571
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: I want to go through here, Aaron Donald with a

572
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: shirt off. I want to talk shirtless dudes for a second. Here.

573
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: We'll start with Aaron Donald. Um, your boy Mark Mark

574
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett to me, I thought I always thought had

575
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: the most impressive Hard Knocks body, But I don't know.

576
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean Aaron Donald six and literally muscles on muscles

577
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: on muscles. He looks like somebody from like Conan the Barbarian,

578
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: if you remember that old Schwarzenegger movie. And he's the

579
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: greatest player in the arguably and his best player, and

580
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: like the corner could be squawking, and Aaron Donald was

581
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: just like ignoring it. He's like this huge thing that's

582
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: just in Dion's like this little fly, so why and

583
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: He's just like, get get away from me. I couldn't

584
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if he was like a lovable team

585
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: jester or just that guy that you hate to be

586
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: around because he won't he won't shut up. And he

587
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: felt he felt like that Hard Knocks guy, Like it

588
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: just seemed like the every Hard Knocks cast, someone to

589
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: play that role, but maybe on being too cynical. I

590
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: just it seemed like we're gonna be dealing with this

591
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: guy for five weeks now, hanging there Mark, let's want

592
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: a guy like that though. I mean, it's not like

593
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: they have to cast. It's real. Yeah, those people exist.

594
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of shirtless dudes, um, does somebody want to tell me? First?

595
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh the pool scene where he says he's been

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: teaching his dog new tricks and all of a sudden,

597
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: his shirt is off and McVeigh is like, hey, make

598
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: sure you get me on camera in my pool, and

599
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: then he's saying, check out the dog trick I I

600
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: have going on. And he's throwing a football at the

601
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: dog with a basketball hoop next to him, and the

602
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: ball is just clanging off the dog's face and there's

603
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: no alley slam from the dog, there's no tipping, there's

604
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: nothing like that. And then it's you just start to wonder.

605
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: It was like, was this all just a ruse to

606
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: get McVeigh with a shirt off to show off the

607
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: work he's putting in the home gym across my mind?

608
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: Agree or disagree? I think it was a pleasant I

609
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: disagree with that but I'm a little worried about this.

610
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: You know, CT with this dog here, it's kind of

611
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: like air Bud. You're watching that. You know, he took

612
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: a lot of footballs off the head. I don't know

613
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: that it doesn't like douldn't seem like the best thing

614
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: for the dog. I think if you're Sean McVeigh, he's

615
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: obviously been putting in the work because we had a

616
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: chance to meet him in person that that one summer,

617
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: and he has jacked up from that time. He wasn't

618
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: a dainty individual back then, but I think you've got

619
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: to jump in the pool with no shirt to show

620
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: it off. He lives about ten minutes from us, uh,

621
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: and he has living life in a different way than

622
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: we are living. Um. That is my takeaway on Sean McVeigh.

623
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: Ten minutes in distance, but in every other way it

624
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: is a much different life. Tyrod tyrod Taylor's new look

625
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: with the big hair and the beard. That's good. I

626
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: like that a lot. Yeah, I like him a lot.

627
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Now he just feels I don't know, there's something about

628
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: him though. He's got a little bit more to him. Imagine, dude,

629
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: he felt he can be um frustrating as a conservative passer,

630
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: but he always seemed like a a cool guy. Well,

631
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna by the way, Melvin Ingram, Yeah, I don't

632
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: know if that's on your list, but he has to

633
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: be the first player ever to be in the song

634
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: credits at the end that was his own song. He's wrapping.

635
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: Melvin Ingram is a wild man. He is one of

636
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: the most intense players I've ever um, you know, like

637
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: seen in an interview situation. Feel like if if I

638
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: was going to pick a guy who's gonna be a

639
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Speaker 1: rising star out of hard knocks, he would be it.

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Speaker 1: And uh Marcus Grant of our great fantasy team here

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Speaker 1: at NFL Media. Uh like in Tyrod Taylor's new look

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Speaker 1: to Donald Glover Childish Gambino and that This is America

643
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Speaker 1: video which definitely did uh sync up with me as well.

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Speaker 1: And uh, let's see any of the thought I have.

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Speaker 1: That's about it. I'm I'm looking forward to episode two

646
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Speaker 1: and and more football. But I did really like the

647
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Speaker 1: the peek behind the curtain of how this actually works,

648
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Speaker 1: and I was I would be interested to think other teams,

649
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Speaker 1: the other thirty teams, what their protocols are and if

650
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Speaker 1: it's any different than the Rams and Chargers. Did they

651
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Speaker 1: learn anything from watching this? Because you know, every every

652
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Speaker 1: team watches Hard Knocks, every front office does. So that's

653
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Speaker 1: interesting to me. Is well to think about the career

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Speaker 1: where when they when you get fired and you walk

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Speaker 1: into your bosses, you say like you gotta be kidding me,

656
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Speaker 1: and then the bosses are then talking about like, hey,

657
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Speaker 1: I like that fire from that guy. Bring him back

658
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Speaker 1: to the taxi squad. Yeah, tight end. Andrew Vollert didn't

659
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Speaker 1: like being cut immediately. I thought that was kind of

660
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Speaker 1: a pretty ballsy move. And yes he did. Anthony Lynn

661
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Speaker 1: did say to the GM Tom to LESCo that he

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Speaker 1: did admire him showing emotion. But then he also threw

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Speaker 1: in a singer at the end, hold up man you

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Speaker 1: a and Antonio Gates now does it bother? Well? Sorry,

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Speaker 1: doesn't bother? And it honestly disturbed me too because I

666
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Speaker 1: should know this, but that Justin Herbert was born like

667
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Speaker 1: it just um to me. It was a defining low

668
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Speaker 1: blow to the viewer. If you're my age, yeah that

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Speaker 1: was rough. He gives me vibes from Friday Nay Light

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Speaker 1: a little bit Justin hurt m And remember Peter shre

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Speaker 1: Tiger as the official Hard Knocks Podcast. If you want

672
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Speaker 1: a real deep dive on every episode, check that out.

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Speaker 1: I believe you had Anthony Lynn on the debut episode,

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Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcast. The Hard Knocks Podcast with Peter Schreeger. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's move on come down players of the Year in

677
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Speaker 1: and yeah, Greg, I see you. I know you were joking,

678
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Speaker 1: but yes, you can look at this as a negative segment,

679
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Speaker 1: or it could just be more a segment rooted in

680
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: keeping it real that you don't necessarily have to fall

681
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Speaker 1: off a cliff and be terrible. You just might not

682
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Speaker 1: be the same guy you were a year ago, because

683
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to kind of stack up seasons like

684
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Speaker 1: that over and over again, so they just come down.

685
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Speaker 1: Well maybe you guys have people that just fall off

686
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Speaker 1: a cliff, but mine are more come down, just down,

687
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: gradual decline, gradual decline. There you go. It's good to

688
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: bring that back up. It's already been used. Now it

689
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: finally came through for me. He took a long time

690
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Speaker 1: because it did. Uh, So let's let's throw out some

691
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Speaker 1: players who we see potentially un a graduate of decline.

692
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Speaker 1: But Before we do that, I want to um share

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Speaker 1: with you what our predictions were last year. That's fun

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Speaker 1: and also it's good too. That's accountability, you know what

695
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Speaker 1: I mean? I like it. Please, here we go. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the zoo, Sir. I had Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: and I said that it was I kind of likened

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Speaker 1: it to the Dan Marino situation, where you are sometimes

699
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Speaker 1: you just have a season that's so beautiful and so

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Speaker 1: perfect that you'll never match it again. And to me,

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00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: I was right. Mahomes wasn't the same player. Uh, from

702
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Speaker 1: a regular season standpoint, he got hurt. Of course, his

703
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: numbers didn't sniff what he did in twenty eighteen. In

704
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, though, he got hot and won a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So me, my prediction was that he just wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: as statistically incredible as he was. So I'm taking the

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Speaker 1: w there. I mean, if someone someone told you that

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Speaker 1: he was gonna operate, he won the Super Bowl a

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Speaker 1: dislocated decap for most of the season. We're not counting

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. What is this like stats or something? Why

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Speaker 1: would why wouldn't we count the playoffs? He was a

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Speaker 1: top three quarterback. If I don't think he even in

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Speaker 1: the regular season, I'd say in any argument, he'd be

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Speaker 1: a top three. Do you think he was just as

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Speaker 1: good as Noything? He was just as good. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: just as good the offense. The Chiefs offense wasn't just

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Speaker 1: as good. But aside from the injury, maybe he came

718
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Speaker 1: Maybe he just came down a little bit little maybe,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying top three, and then he won the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm not giving it. I won't give you

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Speaker 1: a night that other players would not play through. I'll

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Speaker 1: give you a tie. I'll take the tie. I also

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Speaker 1: had a push come on. I also had Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: I'll take the low and I'll take the lost on

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Speaker 1: that one. I don't think he really came down. I

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Speaker 1: believe he still Drew Brees. Uh. Claibron was on this

727
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Speaker 1: episode a year ago. He had Aaron Donald, which I

728
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Speaker 1: guess he came down, but not really still Laron Donald,

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, Eric Ebron, and you predicted mo Ali Cox

730
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Speaker 1: turning into a major factor. We don't need to mention

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Speaker 1: that part of it. This is also before Andrew Luck retired.

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Speaker 1: Should be noted. I had Adrian Peterson, Greg you had

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Speaker 1: Dante Fowler and Jared goth one for two there Fowler played,

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Speaker 1: well that was a hit. You know that was a hit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was a good one. Matt Naggy. Nice job by

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Speaker 1: Claibonn's that was well done. Uh Cecil you chimed in

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Speaker 1: with the Bears turnover aggression on defense, which I'm sure happened.

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Speaker 1: Nice job, ay you Mark really swinging for the fences

739
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Speaker 1: here with well, you know what it's like, let's actually

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Speaker 1: give the listeners something that's going to be correct. And

741
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Speaker 1: that's what I did. I was correct twice that you

742
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Speaker 1: know what else can they can rely on me to

743
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Speaker 1: get it correct and right. And then finally Sessler Damien

744
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Speaker 1: Harris is going to be a bigger role chewing away

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Speaker 1: at Sonny Michelle's job. So that was last year. Now

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Speaker 1: this year, get us going, Greg Rosa, all right, I'm

747
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Speaker 1: going to start with with Richard Sherman and the forty

748
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Speaker 1: niners second in general, but Sherman started the leader. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: he was the second team All Pro last year. It

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Speaker 1: was kind of amazing, and I think he will be

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame type guy, and I think a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I do think this little. This second

753
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Speaker 1: act in San Francisco was going to help him get there,

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Speaker 1: and no one thought he would be that good. I think,

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Speaker 1: and I think that their secondary with him as the

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Speaker 1: leader in general, really overperformed. Uh. And I look at

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Speaker 1: it and I think, if the forty Niners are going

758
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Speaker 1: to come back to earth a little bit, that's an

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Speaker 1: area where they can be a tacked, a tough division.

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Speaker 1: Um and uh, I think asking him to be that

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Speaker 1: good again, and asking that secondary where I'm not really

762
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Speaker 1: sure that talent is totally there, to be that good

763
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Speaker 1: again is a natural come down. I think he was

764
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Speaker 1: PFF's number one cornerbacks, so if we're to finish number two,

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Speaker 1: you would be correct. Technically, I would give you the

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Speaker 1: w on that. I mean, if he's still an All Pro,

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00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not taking it. But uh yeah, I think at

768
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Speaker 1: this forty Niners team that you know, the the analytics

769
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Speaker 1: like football outsiders for they think they're there's a big

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Speaker 1: reason to believe that they'll regress this year. Now, on paper,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that. There's a lot of forty

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Speaker 1: Niners fans that think that they're going to be better,

773
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Speaker 1: but it is true. When you improve that much in

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Speaker 1: one year. Usually you come back to the pack a

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Speaker 1: little bit, you come down, Mark Sessler, how about a

776
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: come down Player of the Year candidate? Well, I don't

777
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Speaker 1: like having to pitch this because I think his story

778
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Speaker 1: is awesome. But um, Darren Waller from the Las Vegas

779
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Speaker 1: Raiders A. He had ninety catches, a thousand plus yards

780
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Speaker 1: and three touchdowns last year, and I think the offense

781
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: is just changing. They they're just simply they've added more weapons.

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Speaker 1: You've got rugs in there your first round pick. Uh.

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00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: They added Brian Edwards another rookie hunter, Renfrover would maybe

784
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Speaker 1: have a larger role there. I think they're just gonna

785
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Speaker 1: diversify and spread the ball a little around a little

786
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Speaker 1: bit more. And I could see him. I don't just mean, like,

787
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Speaker 1: you know, eight less catches. I just think he had

788
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Speaker 1: a bit of a breakout season that will be tough

789
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Speaker 1: to duplicate for him. I wouldn't be surprised, you know,

790
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Speaker 1: not by necessarily a fault of his own that the

791
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Speaker 1: production comes down by a third. Perhaps not really a

792
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Speaker 1: fan of human interest stories, are you? Mark Well. I

793
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: opened by saying I wasn't happy to pitch it, but

794
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Speaker 1: nor am I a pr agency here, just like you know,

795
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: throwing out feel good stories for everyone. I don't see it.

796
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a young player who looked at dynamic

797
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: last year and he's still the best receiver on that

798
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: team until until I see someone else step up. They

799
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: just had no one else really step up last year.

800
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Speaker 1: I just think that with Rugs in there and others,

801
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Speaker 1: that you would want that to happen if you were

802
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: Grood and wouldn't you would you wanted to be based

803
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: the entire passing game based around your running backs in

804
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: your tight end. I don't know. I'll go with I

805
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to make how broad I

806
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: want to make it. Let's start here, Ryan Tannehill, I

807
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: just got out of trouble with Titans Nation. I thought

808
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: we had a clean break. So don't take this as

809
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: an attack on your organization. You obviously made the right

810
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: decision giving up on Marcus Mariotta. I don't think you

811
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Speaker 1: made the right decision turning around and giving Ryan Tannehill

812
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Speaker 1: off twelve or thirteen games a four year, hundred and

813
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollar deal um and when you look at

814
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Speaker 1: the money, it's almost thirty million per season. Sixty two

815
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Speaker 1: million and guarantees he's he's gonna be on the books

816
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: no matter what, probably for years with this team. And

817
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: you know that's he's a top ten guy now in

818
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: terms of being paid as a quarterback, and that will

819
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: be all. That would be great if if he's still

820
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Speaker 1: the guy he was in twenty nineteen. And I'm not

821
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Speaker 1: even gonna say, I'm not even point to Greg and

822
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: feel free to tag team this one with me. I'm

823
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Speaker 1: not even gonna point to the playoffs and back look,

824
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: he was already regressing in January, because I understand the

825
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: playoffs are a different beast and and Derrick Henry was

826
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: running like crazy over everybody. So they played a different

827
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: type of um game plan on some level. But I

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Speaker 1: just don't think it was sustainable. He's thirty two years old,

829
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Speaker 1: and if you look at the history of our league,

830
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: guys that don't break out within the first three years

831
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Speaker 1: or so, if they do have a big season, they

832
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: usually do come back to the to their old former

833
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: self more times than not. Uh maybe Towne Hills an outlier,

834
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Speaker 1: but last year he was fifth in passing v v o,

835
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Speaker 1: a first in yards per attempt UM playing in an

836
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith offense that was perfectly suited and everything kind

837
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: of came together where Henry was a monster, the offensive

838
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: line was great. Tannehill was playing with confidence, and I

839
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: just don't know if we can expect that again. And

840
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario is that he really kind of

841
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: becomes that Miami guy again, and then what does Tennessee

842
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: do They have a boondoggle on their hands at QB

843
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: good use a boon doggar No. I totally agree with

844
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: everything you said, and I think two things can be true,

845
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that Dan, you'd be right about this, and that Tannehill'll

846
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: be fine, that he'll be like a top I think

847
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: that's what the Titans should hope for. He There's no

848
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: way he's gonna produce like that again. I mean he was.

849
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Speaker 1: He was one of the three years I would put

850
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: him in the top five quarterbacks in the NFL last

851
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: year for for when he played, and I would include

852
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: in that because he was efficient and he did his

853
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: job what what they asked him to do in the playoffs. Um,

854
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: but I agree. He kind of reminds me a little

855
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: bit of Alex Smith, who who had his struggles, kind

856
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: of had his breakout with hard Bough and then he

857
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: settled into a nice solid starter career, and I think

858
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: that's what you wanted to tighten. But I do think

859
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,479
Speaker 1: that's a pretty big step, a big, pretty big come

860
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: down of where he was a year ago. I'll just uh,

861
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna do it, but I'll throw it Derrick

862
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: Henry with this too. Okay, that's what I was thinking,

863
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith and Derrick Henry and just go with it.

864
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot to ask that that offense

865
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: to repeat at that level again. And even if you

866
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: look at Henry how kind of he was a lot

867
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: um slower in terms of his production in the first

868
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: half of last season versus the second. I just think

869
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to build an offense we're that efficient. I mean,

870
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: their play action numbers were like among the best in

871
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: NFL history. Uh and uh. I think it's tough to win,

872
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: to win that way, and so I expect them both

873
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: to come down a little bit. Yeah. I mean, Titans Nation,

874
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: don't come after us. It's just it's just football analysis.

875
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: It's not personal. I would imagine some of those guys

876
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: would agree though, right. I mean, they were at peak

877
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: levels down the stretch. And if you think you're gonna

878
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,479
Speaker 1: get the playoff version of the Titans out of the gate,

879
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean off and just doesn't typically do that from

880
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: year to year. You're gonna need to get better in

881
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: other ways. Their defense, you know, primary among them. Alright, Greg,

882
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: let's do another round. Oh. I thought that was like

883
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: you just want this is how one last year? Um,

884
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: I you know who I pick. I would look at.

885
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: I look at Zadarius Smith and Preston Smith who were

886
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: awesome for the Packers last year and produced twenty five

887
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: and a half sacks. Um, I see that coming down,

888
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: and I'll throw another guy in there. And this is

889
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: not trying to be on brand here, but the idea

890
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: that Shack Barrett's gonna go out and have nineteen and

891
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: a half sacks. We again again, Like I if my

892
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: predictions are like a year too early. I was telling

893
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: you that all last year and he proved me wrong.

894
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: But I just think he's a he's a good player.

895
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: But I mean it's gonna mark if you're gonna come

896
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: after Shack Barrett for another season and now we're gonna

897
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: have to track it for another season. Let's put more

898
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: numbers to this because it would be a come down

899
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: season if he doesn't have twenty sacks this year, potentially,

900
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: what do you think, I'm not doing this at eighteen, Like,

901
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: that's not really why are we doing this? What do

902
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: you what do you predict? What is going to s

903
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah down, you can say that's not a come down,

904
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: but that's like that's like his production from here again

905
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: that even on the big tag. Again, I'm not saying

906
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: that he's it's a safe not saying this is a

907
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: wash that the players shouldn't have been resigned a big problem.

908
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: It just twelve from nineteen and a half is a

909
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 1: pretty clear regression. No, it's kind of like Mahomes. Lat

910
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: picking Mahomes last year. I think it's fair. It's it's

911
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: a natural pick because he had like eighteen quarterbacks, he

912
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: had over fifty hurries. He was probably the most consistent

913
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: pass rush for the entire NFL. So that is a

914
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: come down. I would disagree on Zadarius smith Man. I

915
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: love that guy, and Preston Smith's fine. I said the

916
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: combination of the two, well, I just think you're not

917
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: going to get that out of Preston Smith didn't have

918
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: I think he was about what you would expect last year.

919
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: He wasn't A sensations and Darius Smith I think was

920
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: just unreal, and you're right, maybe he can't keep up

921
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: that production. To me, is that Arias Smith. You know,

922
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I think our our buddy Bob mcginney had on the

923
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: show that he's, you know, arguably the best free agent,

924
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, one of the best free agent signings in

925
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: NFL history, and I and it went, you know, for

926
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: one year, and you went through the list, and I

927
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: would say that's true. Shack Barrett is too. I mean,

928
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: the the productions that Arias Smith, that was unreal. I'll

929
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: stay away from an obvious candidate here because I did

930
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: the same thing with Patrick Mahomes last year. So I

931
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to go into why I don't

932
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: think Lamar Jackson will do what he did last year,

933
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: because he probably won't, because again, it's the Merino eight

934
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: four Coral area where sometimes you just have such a special,

935
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: magical season that you just never match it again on

936
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: some level, even if you stay a great player, which

937
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: is kind of what I expect with Lamar Jackson. So

938
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll instead go with Michael Thomas of Saints. I will

939
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: say that Michael Thomas, there's no reason why you would

940
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: think he is going from a from a physical standpoint

941
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: fall off and not be the same guy he was

942
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: a monster. But I think the Saints are are gonna

943
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: continue to transition on offense and a year after they

944
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: targeted UH Thomas thirty three percent of the time. Last

945
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: year when they dropped back the path, one third of

946
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the time, the throw was going to Michael Thomas. And

947
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: it was okay because Michael Thomas a d eight five targets.

948
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: He caught almost of the balls thrown his way. I mean,

949
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: the guy was marvelous and he had a hundred forty

950
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: nine records and he you know, he took fate and

951
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: UH into his own hands and got risky by breaking

952
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: that record that we're not going to talk about. But

953
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: I just think and I didn't. I'm not gonna bring

954
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: up Drew Brees either, because I think his gradual decline

955
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: has been overstated. UH. In general, I think Breeze was

956
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: still excellent last year for the most part at forty

957
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: years old, but with Taysom Hill in the mix there,

958
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: I do I agree that McVeigh are that Peyton is

959
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: going to continue to be cute and try to have

960
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: the offense operating in that way um with breeze off

961
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: the field occasionally. I also think that they're gonna be

962
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: a very run heavy team. And Emmanuel Sanders, which I

963
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: thought was the maybe the low key the best signing

964
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: team had in the offseason, He's gonna be so great

965
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: for them. He's gonna be a perfect fit. And I

966
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: think he could even end up flirting with a thousand

967
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: yards and like seven to ten touchdowns if he's healthy,

968
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 1: and that will just take some targets away from Michael Thomas.

969
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: So I don't think he's gonna have if you if

970
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: if if Sanders says that type of season. The Saints

971
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: are in great shape, but fantasy owners and Michael Thomas

972
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: might feel the sting a little bit. So this was

973
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: almost a little bit of a fantasy preview. Uh, come

974
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: down and you know it all. It was laid out

975
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: beautifully and and um with good context. But this is

976
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: the type of fighterade. You know that Michael Thomas feels

977
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: himself on. You know, no one is more aware the slightest,

978
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: slightest bit of doubt. He can you believe that though

979
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: of their passes. That's why I agree with you. I

980
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: think that do you want to know what the record

981
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: is by the factor there the record mark. I'll ask

982
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: you this one. I'll give you. I'll give you a hint.

983
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: The record is two hundred and eight targets in one

984
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: season and it was set by an NFC westwide receiver

985
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: in NT seven. Mm hmm. I was gonna Rice, right,

986
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna go Jerry Rice until until you give

987
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: you another hint. Seven. You know, I'd like to bring

988
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: it back a former New York Jet Isaac Bruce, Rob Moore,

989
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: great tech mobile player two by the way back in

990
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: the day. Um, let's do a couple more. All right,

991
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: I'll do it quick. I know we got this all

992
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: hands meeting, you know, all NFL meeting on zoom. We

993
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: gotta get to Uh you didn't go Lamar, but I

994
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: am gonna go, mark ingram As as kind of a

995
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: representative of the entire red the Ravens rushing attack, because

996
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: I just I think what they did was so historic. Um.

997
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: They ran to the ball at a higher rate than

998
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: any team, you know since the Tim Tebow Broncos. They

999
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: they you know, they got more yards than any team

1000
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: on the ground than any team in NFL history. They

1001
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: had the highest fourth down rate in NFL history. It's

1002
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: just like they're such a unique offense, and they add

1003
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards there, who can take away some Ingram's shine.

1004
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: But I also think as as a group, Lamar is

1005
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: like the most unique weapon there is in the NFL.

1006
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think the rushing attack can be as

1007
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: dynamic as a whole. How could it be. It's just

1008
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: it's asking too much. And I know they're gonna, you know,

1009
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 1: develop things, but I think that will be maybe leaning

1010
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: on the passing game a little more, changing things up

1011
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: a little bit because there's only so many different kinds

1012
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: of runs Greg Roman can come with. And I think

1013
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: defenses will be a little more ready than they were

1014
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: a year ago. And I and I hope that mark

1015
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: Ingram has three thousand yards. But I mean I I

1016
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: could see J K. Dobbins starting by mid season, if

1017
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: not earlier two. I mean they went out and invested

1018
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: a lot in that position. I'll give you a quick

1019
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: one at wide receiver. I we all love DeAndre Hopkins,

1020
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: but I could see his production a hundred and four

1021
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: catches a year ago, thousand plus yards, seven touchdowns. I

1022
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: think he's a perfect fit for them. But they run

1023
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of four wide receiver. They'll use Kenyan Kenyan

1024
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: Drake to catch a ton of passes. I could see

1025
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: him being perfect for the team. But the numbers where

1026
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: you talk about Michael Thomas. They were so reliant on

1027
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Hopkins in Houston year after year that and maybe in

1028
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: a good way for him, it will be a little

1029
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: bit different in Arizona out of the gate, especially and

1030
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: after a weird offseason where he's barely worked with the attack.

1031
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: His numbers that's not going that's games and four catches eleven.

1032
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: You know, his numbers weren't eye popping last year. And

1033
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: I think I'll disagree with you on that one, Mark.

1034
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a ton of targets still

1035
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: even with their offensive set up, and I bet he

1036
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: eclipses those numbers if he stays healthy. How it goes,

1037
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: let's track that all right. That's good. Come down players. See,

1038
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: we didn't bury anybody. We didn't say well, Tannehill kind

1039
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: of took some heat there, but not really. We're saying cold,

1040
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: be a top you know, an above average starter. What

1041
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: more do you want? Can I be honest with you,

1042
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: I think he might be one of the busts. Well,

1043
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: now you've dropped a bit of a bottom on him.

1044
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: But that's I kind of I guess I should have

1045
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: been more clear in that. I just I don't know.

1046
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: I've seen it. You've seen guys that come out of

1047
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: nowhere in a perfect setup and have that nice year

1048
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: and then revert. We'll see. I wish the best of

1049
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: luck Ball Lauren, town of Hill, his wonderful wife, the

1050
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: whole town of Hill clan has my support. I just

1051
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, let's that's what we do here, chop it up.

1052
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: Football talk, all right, One more show this week, actually

1053
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: two more shows this week. This is fun. We will

1054
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: be back on Friday with a newser show where we

1055
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: just get you caught up to date with what's happening

1056
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 1: in the league, and then also will be uh back

1057
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: on NFL Network on Saturday and on the digital side

1058
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: of things Friday. It's the same show. So we're taping

1059
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: a show on Friday, the return of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL broadcast that will air on NFL dot Com and

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Speaker 1: on YouTube on Friday and then will re air on

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning on the network. So we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of content coming your way that the trademark has left

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Speaker 1: the station. I know we're in very uncertain times and

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Speaker 1: you don't know what's coming next. But as far as

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Speaker 1: our workflow is concerned, the train has left the station.

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Speaker 1: No going back to the station. UM, don't even remember

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Speaker 1: what it looked like at this point. Don't feel like

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Speaker 1: we spent a lot of time there. We're not. We're

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Speaker 1: moving all right. Let's let's head out of here. Happy

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Speaker 1: birthday to the beautiful Jack Carson Hands as he turned

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Speaker 1: six today. And uh, this is Dan hands Is signing

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Speaker 1: off four the old Boss White Storm a mailman. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Vicky Hollywood Still Friday,