WEBVTT - Whitney Cummings 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.280 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:19.880 My guest today this comedian writer for Pocket Tour, Whitney Cummings. Okay, 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.720 you said just came from Quimby. What are you doing 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.160 for Quimby? Is this like we're gonna get into the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.920 nitty gritty, We're gonna get to all kinds of topics, Whitney, 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.520 I was just pitching something to Quimby. That's it's a 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:37.600 quick bite show to show. Um. Yeah, this is of course, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.360 uh Katzenberg's new pitch. They made the deal today with 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.720 T Mobile to have millennials, who theoretically don't have long 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.320 attention spans, have little bites on mobile phones. That's right, 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.600 which I believe is already working in other places around 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.600 the world. Right in Asia they sort of have already. 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.520 You know, even though we live in the greatest country 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.520 in the world, a lot of these countries are far 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.000 in adv ants. You know. It's I say, in China 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.080 they do so much more on the phone. Okay, so 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.960 you had a pitch, you say you're pitching one. Was 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.160 pitching something today, um with this wonderful writer who had 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.479 a great idea that was a sort of dystopian satire 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.920 of influencer culture and it's sort of successions set inside 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.720 a lifestyle blog office like a Goop type office. I 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.120 got it. There's a lot of information information sort of 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.959 like you know, commenting on all the sort of products 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.440 of ridiculous products that influencers are trying to sell us. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:32.960 And um, so what did the person you pitched to 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:37.319 have to sen one of my Yes, that's one of 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.000 my favorite people on the planet. Um, he has an 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.440 excellent taste, So I think it might go well. I 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.720 have something else set up there as well with berlante Um, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.240 so I'm doing a couple of things with them, so 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.760 hopefully this okay. So when you pitch them, since they're 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.840 short episodes, how many episodes would there be? Um, it depends, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.240 but I think you start with like ten. I believe 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.080 they give you a budget and you can kind of 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.360 break it up based on what makes them sense, and 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.600 then I believe you own your content in two years afterwards. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.000 I think that's part of Well, that's astounding, certainly in 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.680 the visual entertainment. But what does that mean? What that 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.320 means ultimately that you can do something within the future 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.320 and the music business, what it usually means is you 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.120 license it to somebody else in the future, hopefully it's 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.280 slightly better terms. But right, but so's I can take 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.559 it back and sell it somewhere else, sort syndicated myself 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.440 or put it on my Instagram or something. Well, theoretically, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.960 let's just assume it's successful, which a lot of this 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.359 stuff is really not. Okay, then you can build you 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.240 tell me, no, you can build an asset. Traditionally in 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.639 this field, doesn't work that way because the talent does 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.520 not own the contents. Uh. But if you build an asset, 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.519 you can sell that for a good amount of money, 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.160 and you can sell it as part of a deal, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.640 like I'll sell this and I'll also give you something else. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.680 That's right, that's right. I mean, look, it's the wild 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.079 West out there. You know. I've got a couple of 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.880 things set up in streaming services. They either move lightning 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.480 fast and it doesn't feel real, or glacially slow. You know, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.240 it's it's well, welcome to Hollywood. Finally figured this business out, 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.399 and then the entire thing changed overnight. You know, there's 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.560 no target anymore. I talked about this to my shrink 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.920 all the time. Okay, you had a certain goal, and 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.680 then they blew up the destination. You know, people used 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.760 to be a comedian, you wanted to get a sitcom. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.640 I don't know why anybody would want to do that 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.240 anymore because so few people watch. None of them are 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.920 doing well on Netflix, some of the ranch that's my point, Gabrieliers. Yeah, right, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.520 but when you when you go onto a streaming service, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:32.640 inherently your goal is less. You're not think of it 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.480 as a world dominating thing. So therefore, when it's successful, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:38.920 you can you know, it's like in the old days. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.200 I remember Mark Maron, I think it was IFC got 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.680 his own sitcom so we could say this is before 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.640 he was in glow. He said, oh this is so great, 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.600 but nobody is watching right right, It's and it's also 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.040 this crazy thing just as a you know, creator, it 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.800 used to be you made a show for America for 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:56.880 six years, so we did you know, two book Girls, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.520 and then you sell it internationally. If it works, now 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.120 you're kind of immediately selling it internationally. You know exact, 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.960 there's no back end. But also as a creator you're 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.760 thinking like, well, is this joke gonna work in Asia? 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.880 Is this joke gonna work in Sweden? Is this two 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.760 inside you know, you want something to go global instantly, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.640 which I think is part of the reason why television 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.480 is moving towards these Marvel superhero stuff that translates universally 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.039 right away. You know, once you've already built an audience 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:23.480 with something like two ber Girls, two and a half 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.880 of Man, Big Bang Theory for six years, then you go, Okay, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:27.360 this really worked here. Now we get to go to 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.240 China and say, number one show in America and they'll 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.640 take a chance on it. Now it's like, we're not 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.719 giving the number one show in America right away, We're 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.320 giving you one that America is still testing out. Okay, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.040 but as a creator, do you feel inhibited that you 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.359 must make something that can be consumed around the world. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.040 I would say my number one concern, if I'm gonna 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.080 be really honest, it seems that's what we're doing here 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:53.000 is making shows for streaming services and not having the 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:58.640 ability to make fun of how technology is ruining our lives. Service. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.640 You have John Oliver who's on HBO, which is owned 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.240 by A T n T, and seemingly every show he 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.360 pokes the bear, you know, he basically goes against a 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.920 T and T so I think on some level, Netflix 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.960 certainly is sophisticate. I'm not saying Disney nor A T 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.720 and T is sophisticated enough to handle that. I was 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.359 sort of like in you know Apple, I you know, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.960 Apple has no sense of humor about it. Well, I'm 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.160 just I'm just curious, like, are we allowed to do 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.600 a scene where my phone doesn't get reception on? You know? 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.080 It used to be when we were on networks. We 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.760 weren't allowed to say Jesus Christ. We were allowed to 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.400 say God. We weren't allowed to say, you know, curse 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.159 or show nudity. Now are we allowed to not show 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.400 I would doubt it on Apple? If you said I'm 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:37.760 gonna do the whole show on an Android, they would 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:39.560 be pissed. Are you allowed to say, like, well, I 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.560 don't know cell phones cause cancer? Are you allowed to 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.440 joke about something like that? Are you That's that's actually general? 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.039 The point is, can you say something specifically anti Apple? Yeah? 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.920 Are you allowed to make jokes, you know, on on something? 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.960 I mean, we consume six hours of content our cellphone, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.720 not quimber lewed to make a joke on Quimby about 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.240 how social media is the apocalypse and it's bad for 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.080 our brains and it's causing body Just what's your personal 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:07.000 viewpoint on that. I'm not a scientist on it. Um emotional, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.560 yea technical. I don't want to pretend to be an 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.080 authority on it because I have a comedian I think 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.640 in hyperbole. I think it's gone. I tell my girlfriend 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.160 that I do. Is she comedian? No? But I talked. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.560 She always react, yes, that's we just have this. That's 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.640 not exactly what I said. Yeah, she said that's something 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.680 I did annoyed her, and then I said, oh, you 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.600 were piste off because that's not what I said. I said, Well, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.760 to me, annoy is as heavy as pissed. No, no, no no, yeah. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.960 I think humans. I think we are designed to find 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.800 flaws and things. We are designed to complain about things. Uh, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:48.479 we're designed to um amplify the consequences of things. Okay, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.320 but let's go back. When something doesn't work, are you 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.920 someone o c is and you're pissed? Uh, something doesn't 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.599 work in terms of well, you know, you get your phone. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.839 We all have this technical glitch and something doesn't work. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.800 You're the type, oh this is technology, Oh it'll be 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.400 fine tomorrow, or you say God, I'm so pissed. It 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.120 depends on the circumstances. I mean, if your iPhone doesn't 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.000 work and that's your biggest problem of your day, you 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.880 have a pretty good life. I'm not into that. I'm 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.280 not into that first world problem, not at all. You've 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.560 been bridged longer than I have. Rich It's a whole 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.640 another thing. But my point is people always say, oh, 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.600 two things that make me insane. One is you're better 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.880 than that. Fuck you am. I haven't said that yet. No, No, 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.640 you have about here all the time. Okay, okay, that's 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:41.160 shaming perfectly. And then you constantly here first world problem. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.400 That's my problem exactly. I mean when I go up. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.440 When I grew up, my parents literally said you gotta 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.120 finish what's on your plate because their kids starving. In Europe, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.680 some guy wrote a who's your parents know? They're not starving? 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.280 It's the only place I think they're doing well. Were 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.920 jumping forgetting that. Today almost no one is starving, And 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.920 I forget the book uh Troy Carter told me to 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.600 read and I have on my kindle. There are a 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.320 lot of women in LA who are starving for different reasons. Yes, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.280 my choice, but let's go back to technology. Are you 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.600 someone who believes, let's just start with usage as opposed 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.760 to the high level with these guys. Are you are 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:23.920 you anti social media, addiction to the phone, addiction to screen. No, 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.920 because we've always been addicted to something, and um, you know, 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.000 I think we're also in our echo chamber. I I 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.719 tore all over the country and I am grateful that 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.440 I get to see what real America looks like. And 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.040 I don't walk around. I don't see people walking and 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.760 talking on their phones when I go to Duluth. Um. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.720 You know, I think that metropolitan cities we tend to 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.520 that up. You literally went to Duluth to do comedy. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.640 I haven't been to Duluth this year. I was used 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:53.560 Duluth as a as a job as a Joe blow 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:59.720 a city exactly. I've actually been okay, but Duluth actually, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.480 when there, it's like the edge of the world because 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.400 that's where the Edmund Fitzgerald left. You remember the record, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.760 the Edmund Fitzgerald. And it's on to think about my geography. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.480 I think it's Lake Superior. They literally can surf, the 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.200 waves are so big. And Deluth is of course on 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.079 my mind because they burned down a synagogue there recently, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.920 and I happened to be Jewish. But it's like the 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.040 edge of the world is different than like a Pensacola 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.160 I might go to. For like, cities that most La 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.920 New York people don't go to are like Deluth, Pensacola, 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.200 and Toledo. Well, it used to be the whole Pan 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.120 handled Pensacola and the West. Everyone really had no idea 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.359 if I lived with a woman who's from Tallahassee, tallahass 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:44.080 the seventies. Okay, so, and her father was the richest 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:50.520 guy in Tallahassee. Okay, so he drove roy is exactly exactly. 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.320 But the point is that was before two thousand Bush 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:57.439 versus Score and all the controversies. People have a better 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.280 idea of what Tallahassee is now, and it's more cosmao thing, 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:05.920 But essentially Tallahassee is Georgia. They think they think, you 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.760 know Miami. Yeah, no, people have Southern acts. It's greatly different. Yeah. No, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.880 I'm not a I'm not super apocalyptic. When it comes 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.280 to the phone stuff. Um, you know, I lean into 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.400 the negative parts of it sometimes for comedic purposes. But 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.560 I'm the stuff that I'm working on now is really 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.719 more like, this is the safest we've ever been. This 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.240 is the most um joyous we've ever been, the most 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.800 convenient our lives have ever been, And all we do 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.200 is is thinking complaint about it. Well, I find it. Know, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.000 there's the intelligencia of the New York Times, a New Yorker. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.439 They are constantly printing anti technology articles all the time. 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.079 Screens are fucking everybody up, etcetera. I have a completely 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.080 different viewpoint depends on how you use them. It's like 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:47.960 any weapon. Really, it's like a knife. You can use 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.400 it to step, so I don't think it's a weapon. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.160 I mean, in the nineties I had a free subscription 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.000 to a o L through Warner. But when it broke up, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:00.360 when you know, when it broke it, basically I was there, Okay, 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.920 I could suddenly communicate with all the like minded people. 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.520 You know, it was it was a good thing. Yeah. 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.920 I think what people don't understand is the phone is 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:12.240 personalized to the individual. That's that's why we're addicting. I mean, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.400 I think the things that are problematic are really I mean, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.920 the algorithms tricky in ways that not of course that 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:19.959 you might not be seeing news that you should be 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.160 seen exactly. Like that's what that's a high level It's 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.440 like Facebook saying we can take ads that are not 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.480 true and yes, exactly, and it's I'm the type of 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.560 person who's gonna actively seek out news, but a lot 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.520 of people who just you know, I sat down once 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.040 and I had a different c ann page than someone 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.840 I was sitting next to, and Google against different results. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.040 That was alarming to me. Okay, So when you're not working, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.160 because this begs the screen question, how do you tend 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.040 to fill the little bit of time you have when 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.240 you're not working. I document whatever I'm doing for social media. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:55.680 When I'm not working, I'm not I mean working documenting. Okay, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.480 but most comedians at the advent of Twitter two thousand ten, 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.440 two thous in eleven, they tweeted at infinitum, like Albert 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.960 Albert Brooks very funny tweeter. Last couple of years hasn't 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.480 tweeted both politics happened, Twitter really became So no, no, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.280 I'm heavy on politics and I'm heavy on Twitter. My 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.480 question is social media is it? How beneficial is it 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:24.600 to your career? Credibly unbelievably Okay, which aspect unbelievably selling tickets. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.560 No, No No, Twitter, Facebook, Snapchat. They all kind of do 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.560 different things. So Twitter used to you. I just mean 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.000 what you tweet about on Twitter, if it's not politically 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.640 or zygeisty driven, it's probably gonna get less traffic. You 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.440 have to be part of whatever the current conversation. How 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.719 many followers on Twitter? A million? Four? You know? So 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:45.520 I took like two years off when the election because 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.560 I just don't really talk about politics. I don't really 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.640 joke about politics. It's just really not my thing for 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:54.040 a litany of reasons. Give me two reasons. Um, I 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.880 I'm someone who believes you should know what you're talking 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.240 about when you talk about it. President Andy. Yeah, well look, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.199 I just for me, I had done it a couple 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.640 of times and it just didn't go particularly well, and 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.680 I was like, this just turns into a more ass 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.880 Well wait, wait, slower, why did it not turn out? Well, 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.880 it was something about it was like a joke about 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.960 Brett Kavanaugh, and it just became not comedy anymore. I'm 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.920 not trying to get in fights with strangers. Okay, but 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.080 let's start from the beginning. Did you think the joke 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.360 was funny? Um? I have to be honest. I think 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:32.280 it was probably it had an undercurrent of not self righteousness. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.000 I think I was right my opinion. Okay, My point 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.880 is you have to understand I interact with these people 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.960 all day long. They call it working the rest. If 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.360 I even mentioned Trump's name, I can tell you that 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.920 people who are going to email me that is their agenda. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.720 But the point is we cannot back down. It's the 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:51.240 same thing like they they demonized Adam Shift. If I 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.320 was Adam Shift, I'd be out there bitching all day 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.959 instead of going back into my hole. I believe this 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.800 is my personal philosophy. I'm not John Oliver, I'm not 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.160 Bill Maher. You know. I believe it is my business 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.040 to be funny. And if I'm going to give an opinion, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.400 there needs to be something funny involved in what I'm saying. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.319 But if you but you can say something funny about politics, 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.920 I can. I can, and I I believe that two 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.440 years ago, saying something funny about politics didn't always end 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.520 in a laugh for everyone? No, But did it end 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.880 in a laugh for a significant portion of the unclear? 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:30.600 Because Twitter of America's on Twitter, of percent of everyone 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.560 on Twitter, generates of the comments. Okay, but let's not 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.360 make it about Twitter. The interesting thing and I don't 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:39.320 want to play psychoanalyst here is you talked about television 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.640 saying creatively is what I'm going to do play around 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.960 the world. Now you're talking about Twitter saying what is 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.440 going to give you the negative effect? You are someone 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.520 who is you know, famously said you've been pillar read 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.080 in society. Okay, so to what degree does this now 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.920 make you gun shy? Uh? I think there's a difference 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.000 between gun shy and maybe just sagacious and being smart 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.880 business wise. It used to be we could disagree and 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.120 you can still be a fan of mine. The climate 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.240 two years ago became if we disagree, you wan't follow me, 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.560 you never want to see me again. You might make 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.840 threats about my safety, you might try to docks me 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.960 and turn people on Reddit against me. It used to 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:20.600 be if you didn't think something was funny, you maybe 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.440 would still follow me. It still comes to your show 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.280 joke didn't hit. Now it's fuck her, everyone go against her. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.160 It just becomes to me a thing. It's bad business. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.200 It's bad marketing, absolutely bad business. You have to know 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.960 what the ramifications of something you're sending out is going 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.840 to affect your business, and if you decide to go 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.880 into politics, you better be ready to have ideal with 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.080 this all day every day. Yeah, okay, I find that 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:50.080 the great majority of people who were biting back don't 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.880 sign off. It's the silent people who signed up interest. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.680 I tracked my numbers at least once a day, so 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.680 that's multiple time. Today. I'm talking about subscription, which is 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.040 a little bit different from Twitter. And what I find is, 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.080 despite all the bitching, most people don't sign off. So 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.920 I say, to what degree do I want to be 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.080 in here? But they might not buy tickets next time. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.280 But what you find is a lot of the stuff 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.320 that you do, I mean the nature of what I 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.120 do to a degree what you do is we're at 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.160 the eye of the hurricane. People are talking about us externally. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:27.160 We don't really know what's going on. So that I mean, okay, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.800 I would never send an email to a celebrity. I 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.400 would never tweet back something at all, someone with you know, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.240 so it takes a special kind of person to do that. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.280 In addition, is someone I have found I get a 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:46.240 lot of email. The people who send long, deep emails 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.280 are terrible face to face. They can speak person says 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.640 like one line the people you connect. So it's a 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.040 little for me, I don't like something I've wrestled with 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.000 because that's what they want. They want us to turn 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.280 it to something different totally, which is I think that 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.600 you know, sometimes the best war strategy is a masterful retreat. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.280 And I think sometimes it's important to know you know 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.000 what to say, and it's important what not to say, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.200 and want to just stay on the bench and allow 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:14.879 your work to speak for itself and to not have 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.679 to chime in on everything that's super volatile, and uh, 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.639 the impact and the intention might get conflated. And I 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.439 think right now as comedians, if people want to get 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.800 in the ring and start fighting about politics and maybe 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.639 alienating some of their base or you know, pissing people what, 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.760 it's just a very emotional time and I just try 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.960 to remember my job is to make people laugh, it 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.760 is to unite people, It is to sell tickets, and 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.960 it is my goal to have every type of person 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.080 buying tickets in the same theater. And right now is 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.399 a is a time where you can really um step 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.600 into a hornet's nest by accident. And I think a 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.639 lot of us don't really know how elitist A lot 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.320 of it comes off, and I think elitism in in 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.240 comedy ends up really narrowing the number of people aren 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.600 to buy tickets. Going back to Twitter, so when you 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.159 this is one this is one of the reasons I 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.960 stopped tweeting. I don't have the number of followers you have, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.600 and certainly my follower account is not going up in 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.840 the last six or eight years when I've essentially not tweeted. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.199 But I find you tweet and what bothered me and 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.240 I have another way to reach people via email. Uh 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.040 is how few people actually see it? No, I mean 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:18.440 we it feels so big to us. I mean this 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.879 is really I think when you talk about the negative 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.399 ramifications of social media, it's I think, to me, the 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.879 dysmorphia of think of it feeling like it's happening. You know, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.879 it's like a front page headline when five people have 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.240 responded to you. You know, it's just this, it's a hallucination. Really, 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.159 it feels you know, if you have ten followers and 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:40.400 three people respond that's thirty It's thirty percent of your 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.600 It just feels huge, you know, So I think, um, uh, 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:47.399 we're all inflating and amplifying. The other thing is a 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.800 lot of these people's you know, send you heinous tweets 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.040 or whatever. You look at the follower account one two 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.320 and you say, unless I respond, I've learned helps them 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.320 more than it helps you. And it's just I mean, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.000 if you walk down the street in a homeless first 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:01.800 and was like hey and yelled at you, you wouldn't 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.080 engage with them. You'd keep walking. I mean, that's what 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.879 we're doing. We're um, you know. And also look, and 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.679 let's be serious the last year, how many careers have 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.080 you seen get dinged by a old tweet? You know, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:18.920 for comedians especially an excellent point because you know, one 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.400 of the marks of an intelligent persons they can change 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.560 their minds. Really a d C they can't change their 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.320 mind I mean, I could never run for politics anybody. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.560 You'd have to be squeaky clean. That's right. We're just 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.199 getting to the point. You could even smoke dope and 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.360 become president, That's right. And I you know, I by 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:38.240 ep the Rosanne reboot. I I know what Twitter can do, 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.560 you know, so I try to be sagacious with what 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.520 I tweet, careful with what I tweet. And just go 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.679 you know, what is it worth it? Okay, what was 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:48.240 your take on it? Was it predictable that Roseanne would 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:52.639 go off the rails? Um? You know, I don't know why. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.480 I still don't have an incisive answer to this question 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.440 because I think that that particular tweet, I don't think 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.399 anyone could have predicted. It was almost if you asked 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.280 someone to write the worst tweet you could write, we 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.679 couldn't have come up with it. Um. So you know 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.880 there were deaf Obviously, I had not seen the old 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.960 tweets from years ago that we're surfacing and you know, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.600 they were going up, they were coming down, and um, 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:20.639 I didn't it was that was like a biblical level tragedy. 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.800 I didn't think it was. Okay, let's go to the end. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.200 Do you think the show should have been canceled? Uh, well, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:32.080 it's it's still on without her. Um. Yeah, I mean 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.560 that was right. You can't mean we get to the point. 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.560 You know, this is kind of like, uh, Louis c K. Okay, no, no, no, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:43.080 what I'm trying to say. Louis c. K admitted it, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.520 and there's a certain segment of the population says, forget it. 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.760 He has judged on the same level of Weinstein, So 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.120 shouldn't there be a sliding scale to a degree? This 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:58.080 is a This will be a five hour conversation. If 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.040 I take that out, I can speak to Rose and Um, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.119 I think there's a lot of stuff around Louis that 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.919 you and I don't know. Um that maybe they know 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.679 more than we do, et cetera. So I'm gonna not 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.080 weigh in on that because I'm not an expert on it. Um, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:12.919 there's a lot of stuff A lot of us don't know. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.080 For all of the claims that you know, uh that 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.560 we're hearing about a lot of this stuff. You know, 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:19.879 we don't know about all the things that have been 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.040 settled and all the things that haven't been public, you know, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.440 and all the things that may come out. I mean, 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.600 you know, you have a ton of money. Let's say 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.520 you are you gonna put your money on someone who 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.720 has a history of doing this, because then moving forward, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.400 what else is going to come out of this? Pandora's 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.680 I agree, But it's more interesting when it's public perception. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.760 When the people, uh yeah, I went, I toured around 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.479 the country after the Rosean thing, and people go, what 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.560 happened to Roseanne, Is she okay? I was like, you 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.240 didn't hear me? There was not only some people that 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.760 didn't hear about it, but then you know half the 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.719 people are like, A, she's crazy. Ever knew she was crazy? 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:56.359 That's just Roseanne? And what's the Just move on, you know. 0:21:56.400 --> 0:22:03.199 But look, we cannot forget the It's ABC is Disney, 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:07.959 they sell mouse ears. I understand children. I understand that. 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.159 Will you amount of money you're getting, you can't post 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.000 it like that. It's not a lot to ask, but no. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.680 But the more interesting thing to me is the discussion 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.280 in the media and in board rooms. To what degree 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:25.440 is that in touch with the people on the street. Um, 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.760 you know you've met some of the people on the street. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.800 We shouldn't always be in touch, but there's we shouldn't 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:37.320 stoop to the level that might uh appease something different. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.680 I'm saying that I believe in doing what you want, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.600 and of course, if you have people you're working for, 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.359 that's another issue. But a lot of times what they're concerned, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.919 there's a lot of history where they say, we have complaints, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.080 we took the show off the year ten people complaints 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.760 he's on a network show, or they had a campaign, 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.399 there's no perspective. But let me go back to and 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.320 I think that also. I mean, look, you've from what 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.960 I understand that had companies and employed people. I mean, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.880 if you are running one of the most valuable brands 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.399 in the world, Disney, and you have someone tweets something 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.720 racist and you have Shonda Rhymes and Kenya Barriss is 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.400 two of your biggest money it's just it's it's forget 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.440 the mortal issue and the integrity issue and the class 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.680 having class I mean issue. Um, it's also just bad business. Okay, 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:25.440 But let's go back to social media. So you're heavy 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.680 on Twitter. How about on the other platform, Instagram. I 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.120 would say I'm the most engaged because Twitter is very 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.679 much sort of a verbal platform. It's very much you 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:35.520 have to get the hashtag and you know, there's it's 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.400 more time sensitive. You have to respond to something that's 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.840 happening right this second, and evergreen jokes don't always hit 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.240 as well as something topical. Um, so I'm in and 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.040 out on there. Not the best place to sell tickets 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.440 honestly anymore, in terms of ticket leaks. Just a couple 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.399 of things. How many how many followers do you have 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:54.280 on Instagram, I have, okay, and how often do you 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.119 post on either of these platforms? I would say Instagram 0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.639 is twice a day, usually a video day and a 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.840 photo day, except on weekends because I can look at 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.879 the metrics and see that my followers mostly look at 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.200 Instagram during work during the week days, which is why 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.639 you always want to subtitle your videos and look at 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:14.240 your metrics, and then Instagram stories I do. I would 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.240 say like five or six of those a day. So 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.840 what works? They all work for different demographics, and they 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.800 all work for different reasons and different things. So Facebook 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.920 is more for an older demographic and for the targeted 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.159 ads that are selling tickets. Instagram works more for instant 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:34.000 engagement and like selling things like merch or tickets and 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.959 targeted Facebook ads are great for localized and I actually 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.760 just um, you're gonna love this. Have you heard of this? 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.520 Um this new app where people can text you directly? Yes? 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.560 Tell my audience, yes, So there's this new app. You've 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.920 probably seen it on my Instagram. If you guys follow me, um, uh, 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.760 your you've got They're probably like, who uh that they 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:57.800 can You can now directly text celebrities, people touring and 0:24:57.840 --> 0:24:59.960 we can actually see your text and text you back. 0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.359 This is a company called Community. It does not sell 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.800 your data, which is wild and um and we can 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:11.879 basically collated by age and uh state. So when I 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:13.920 come to your town, I can text your phone directly 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.080 and say hey, I met the Majestic Theater tonight at 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.520 eight o'clock instead of relying on a main feed post, 0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:21.560 which is probably not going to make the algorithm anyway. 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:22.800 But a lot of people don't know that if you 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:24.200 don't get a certain amount of likes in a certain 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.439 amount of time, your post is not going to make 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.080 the algorithm. So you can be posting about going to Duluth, 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.000 for example, all day long, and people in Duluth might 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.439 not even see it. So this is the current issue 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.840 with people that are touring is you go to Houston, 0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.120 you do five thousand seats, You go to the airport 0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.800 the next day and someone goes, oh my god, when 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:41.960 are you com mees? I love you, I'm such a 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:43.959 big fan, what are you doing in town? And you're like, well, 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:45.240 if you're such a big fan, how did you not 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.000 know that I was all these people, especially in the 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.240 big city where there's multiple events, And oh, finally, yeah, 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.919 you probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but it was. But 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.159 I posted on Facebook, I post on Twitter, I posted 0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:56.919 on my main feet, I posted to my stories, but 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.960 nobody saw it. And this And because comedians for longest time, 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.639 we're relying on email databases. People change their email, they 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:06.800 usually don't change their number. So this is the way 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:08.720 to get to you right away. I can text you 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:13.200 instead of blasting all my followers for Orlando, I can 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.439 just text Orlando people directly. Um, which is this is 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:17.840 a godsend and I think it is going to be 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:19.919 major leagus. Let's go back a few chapters. What was 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:24.320 your experience at PEN? Oh? Great question. I it was 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.080 very expensive. Um, so how did you pay for us? So? 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.800 I paid for it by doing a QVC in Westchester. 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.920 I did QVC where I modeled self Tanner UH and 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.720 UH track suits, and I did informal modeling at King 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:41.400 of Prussia Mall. I would walk around in wedding dresses 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.560 and I had to pay off my loans which took 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.720 cares and I did it in three years, so it 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.240 was cheaper. Okay, When you went to PEN, how expensive 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.560 was it? I mean, wasn't it forty something Okay, so 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.399 you went. They didn't give you any financial lead. No, 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.480 they gave me some. They gave me um My mom's 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.960 boyfriend helped, and then I had some loans. Okay, how'd 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:09.439 you get the gig? QVC? I was worked when I 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.680 was in d C in high school in Washington, d C. 0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:15.399 I would do informal modeling at Bloomingdale's Tyson's Corner and 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:19.240 White Flint and some magazine stuff. And then I got 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:23.480 a local agent in Philadelphia called Reinhart Modeling Agency, and 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.520 I would work at King of Prussia Mall, walking around 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.040 and they got me an audition, and I'm very telegenic. 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:34.520 I don't know if you noticed absolutely here, But was 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:36.879 this a dream of yours? Or is this just some 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:41.920 way to make money? Money? Was a dream of mine having? Okay, 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:43.919 so you go to Penn. Did you always want to 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.280 go to pen? I didn't. I wanted to go to 0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.600 Stanford actually, and I don't even know why. I always 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.480 had this draw to California to tech. I wanted to 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.200 go to Stanford. I didn't get into Stanford early decision, 0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.119 didn't get in, but then got into Pen and and 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.480 uh Annaberg. I wanted to major in communications. I still 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.480 don't even know what it is. Uh does anyone? But 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.280 I think communications at Annaberg a Penn accidentally was the 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.879 perfect education for a comedian because all they did was 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:18.560 tear apart and analyzed media. I took this UH class 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.520 with Joe Turou where all they did was talk about 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.320 how advertising influences our brains. It was basically the way 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:26.520 comedians evaluate the world. How is it? You know? Nature 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.280 and nurture? And do does do video games cause violence? 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:31.760 Like all the kind of things that you would explore 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.280 as a comedian and so um, well, you know, I 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.520 went to college and I found the most I learned 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.560 was outside the classroom. So you were a Penn Did 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.640 you fit in? No? Not at all. I worked in 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:47.640 New York, uh two days a week modeling bridesmaids and 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.080 wedding gowns. So I was only at Penn three days 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:51.880 a week, and I would do classes nine hours a day, 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:53.400 three days a week, and then I'd be working in 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.000 New York. Okay, So the first year you lived in 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.480 the dorm, uh No, I lived off campus all three years. 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.880 All three years I lived off campus on eighteenth and 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.040 JFK and Philly. So did you have any friends at 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:05.760 pen I had a couple of friends. I have two 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.000 very good friends. One you might know she wrote a 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.200 book called Meet Me in the Bathroom that is about 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.160 the music scene in New York in two thousand four. 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.320 What's your name, Lizzie Goodman? I know that I don't know, Yeah, 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.240 Elizabeth Goodman. She wrote this brilliant book called Meet Me 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:19.840 in the Bathroom. We would go to New York and 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.760 like party with like the Vines and the Strokes and 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.080 all the those and all the cool bands. And she 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.479 ended up writing a book about it that I think 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.160 is getting a TV show. Um, so she's out here now. 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:30.800 And then another girlfriend. Mind. So I had like two 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.520 or three friends at penn Um, but not much. I 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:35.920 was working and I was you know anyone that knows me? Now, 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.080 let's go back at chapter You're from d C. Okay, 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.000 how many kids in the family? Three? And where are 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:44.360 you in the higher wark that I know of? I 0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.640 haven't done my twenty three and me I am the youngest. 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.320 Would you wait, let's start? Would you do you know? 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.040 I absolutely would. I just did the National Geographic version 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:54.560 of it. I did the twenty three of me one 0:29:54.640 --> 0:30:00.280 and I didn't spit in it right and think there 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.520 was a special I failed that test. I am so look, 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:08.680 I am the first person to you know, you sort 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.000 of dive in all this stuff. I am so not 0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:14.120 terrified of by I just think we have you know, 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:16.600 we've gotten so paranoid about all this stuff. Okay, But 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.880 as I say, if you do it and correctly, how 0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:22.680 do you feel, other than finding out about certain health issues, 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:26.040 how do you feel about people all over the world 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:28.720 being interacting with you and saying I'm related to you. 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.800 I will do absolutely anything if I can sublimate it 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.320 into a joke or TV show idea or movie idea. 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.800 I love taking risks like this. I would love to 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.760 have that was your reason to do it? Yeah? Absolutely, 0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.480 So what else have you done like that? I when 0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:45.440 when I first moved to l A, I first got 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:47.840 a check. I was doing a It was like almost 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.320 the first sponsored content deals that was happening. I did 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.120 a talk show for Lexus in one of the new 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.520 Lexus cars. It was like the first gig that really 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.520 made me. VICE was doing it and I got twenty 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:01.960 dollars in episode. I did five episodes. I finally had money. 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:06.960 I got Alexis hybrid and was that on top on 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.000 top of they gave me like a lease or something, 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.360 but then I had to pay it after something, and 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.280 then I didn't know about taxes, by the way, so 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:17.800 I spent it all. I didn't know my owned money, 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.600 so I lost money on that. UM and I went 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.960 to the gas station and I filled up the hybrid 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.480 with diesel fuel by accident, because I thought the green 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:30.560 meant like green, like healthy guys, it's like good for 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.240 the environment. Was twenty six years old, right, and it 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:36.520 totally destroyed the car, and I wrote this awesome bit 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.520 about it, and from then on out, I was like, 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:40.400 the biggest disasters of my life are what are going 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.680 to pay my bills? In terms of being a stand up, 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.840 I have this. I'm crazy lucky that I could have 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.400 this job. That the worst things that happened to me 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.280 end up being great jokes. Okay, another worst thing that 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.480 ever happened to Um? Oh gosh, well, I mean every 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.440 breakup ever, the worst dates of my life are my 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.160 best jokes. The most humiliating moments of my life. Okay, 0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:01.280 but now you're engaged, right, I know, So how did 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:05.200 you me went? I go to everybody's Wikipedia. I mean, 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:06.960 I know you from Howard starting on I know other 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.800 things about you're in the news, but I did Actually 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:14.400 I didn't know that. Uh told me. Oh my goodness, 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:18.160 No way, I was something with Nicky Glazer. Maybe not. No, 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.320 I was listening to that. Bobbaue did not tell me, 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.080 although I saw him the other week. Nicky Glazer was 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.400 on Joe Rogan. Uh, and she talked about you being engaged. 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.640 That's how I know. Yeah, it's like three hour episodes. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:36.680 Say yeah, no, I I, um, that's so funny. Yeah. No, Look, 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:38.760 I every day I'm like, can I just go on 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.320 a couple of dates. I won't kiss them or make 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.280 I just need some more material. You know is a comic. 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:48.440 I'm just I am obsessed with Let's try. Let's fine 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.760 for Kate. You know, looking for Mr Wright and you 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:55.000 know is a little bit different from looking for material. Okay, 0:32:55.240 --> 0:33:01.920 So prior to meeting Mr Wright, how often did you date? Um? 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.280 I am as as anyone that knows me who's listening. 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.560 I do stand up every night, three or four spots tonight. 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:13.560 Are there Comedy Store. They have three rooms. Best club 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.440 in the country. Laugh Factory, Improv than all these other 0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:19.880 little anelka. So I'm working all the time at night. 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.760 So I've never been a person that puts relationships first. Um. 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:25.920 And I say that with love because it's just I 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.080 can only make relationships work when I'm able to put 0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:32.760 that first. Okay, So let's just say subsequent to pen 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:38.000 did you have any serious relationships to until now? Um? 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.840 I thought they were serious. You think they're serious when 0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:43.240 you're in them. And did you live with somebody? Yeah, 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.200 I've lived with the I lived someone for a couple 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.240 of years before that. And how did you meet in 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.400 that person? What they do? We They were a writer, 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.479 big TV writer. I dated a big director. I mean 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.960 I've dated you know, people in this field. Um, and 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:00.680 was lucky to actually learn from them too. I was 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:02.640 very like, don't date anyone in Hollywood, and You're like, no, 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.720 why these are the people in work. It's like, don't 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.600 date anybody at the company. Of course, that's where else 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.360 you gonna be. Yeah, where else you're gonna meet people. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.960 And like, I want to be able to talk through 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:14.520 all this stuff. I dated a in anesthesiologists like three 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.160 years ago, and I remembered I had a development deal 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.720 or a show at HBO and I had the table 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.080 read the next day and I was like working on 0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:22.640 at memorizing and He's like, what's the big deal, It's 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:27.720 just a table read and let's not just like oh, 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.800 like I I now see the value of your question. 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.920 How did you meet an anesthesiologist? He I dated him 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.839 when I was in college, when I was nineteen. It 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:42.279 was he lives in Portland. Is wonderful I had dated 0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.920 I once I've realized people knew I had money, or 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:49.520 that I had I was gold digged a couple of times, 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.960 or I had really yeah, did these people even have jobs? 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.400 Or they were like between gigs or what. It was 0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:57.399 just this thing where I was like they I get 0:34:57.440 --> 0:35:00.719 people that like guys that want to be comedians and 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.360 they think dating me like will help them, or just 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.040 a couple of guys where I realized like, oh, no, 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.520 you want to be a writer, or you don't have money. 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.000 And someone asked me to pay their student loans, Like 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:15.960 it was just did you pay this? I have? Yeah, 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:20.520 USC does have some of my money? How does someone 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.120 pitch I didn't have to pay Rick Singer? It was 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:29.319 how does someone pay my student loan? It's more of 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.200 a like it was more of a if I'm gonna 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:33.160 be honest, maybe I'm the monster in the story here. 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.120 It was more like I'm working this. He was working 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:39.399 some crazy job that like kept until two in the morning, 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:40.400 and I was like, well, I have to go to 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:42.960 bed at midnight, so you can't do this and this 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:44.480 was and I was like, I'll just pay for it. 0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:47.080 Let's make it go away because I have to sleep. Okay, 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.920 but let's go back because it's a little great. So 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:53.080 you had a couple of live in relationships. How long 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:57.000 did they last? One was two years? I guess it 0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.319 was just one live in one and and l A 0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.720 and that person to the you want to talk about 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.920 what was his gig? Uh? He is a writer, a 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:10.359 movie writer. Okay, why did it end? I was young 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:15.600 and stupid. It's twenty seven. Uh, and I got I 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.920 had a TV show and was doing two TV shows 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.560 and it was just you know, Okay, was it you 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.440 were doing TV shows and you did not have time 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:25.880 for him, or you wanted the perks of having to 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.799 TV shows you wanted to trade up? So oh no, no, 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.000 I don't think it was that. I think I just uh, 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:35.400 you know, was still I was just not. Uh. I 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.920 also had not started my recovery journey, um, which anyone 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.880 that knows me knows, I'm gonna tell step program. And 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.560 I worked a pretty hard allan On program now and 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.440 I wrote a whole book about codependence and love, addiction 0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.319 and all that stuff. So I also was, you know, 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:55.120 in my in my addiction. Okay, so you were a drinker? Nope, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:59.239 alan On? So an all On? Yeah, so everybody you 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.920 were involved at so we've had some sort of addiction problem. Um, 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:09.000 No he wasn't. So what motivated you to go to 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.840 alan On? Um? I have a lot of alcoholism and 0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:14.400 mental illness in my family. Um. The first time I 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.920 got TV show, I realized that I had some blind 0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:23.360 spots in terms of leadership and the inability to tolerate 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:26.920 the discomfort of others. It was impossible to fire people, 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.640 it was impossible to give notes. I wanted people to 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:36.080 like me. Um, I was doing everybody else's jobs for them. Um. 0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:40.719 I was addicted to control. So how do you deal 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:44.640 with the concept with the insight about wanting to everybody 0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.000 to like you? You deal with it when you realize 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:50.959 I'm three scripts behind because I've spent more time trying 0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:54.160 to make sure this employee likes me instead of I 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.799 understand you'll understand that, But how do you deal with 0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.479 the confrontation now? Now I'm very clear or in direct 0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.360 about it, after you know, eight years in a program. 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:05.040 But it used to be like no, no, I love it. 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:06.759 I love it, and then I change it, and then 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.440 you go, well, no, they wanted to change it. You 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.560 blame someone else. And what do you say now now 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.919 if I even hire someone that is a mismatch, which 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.560 I used to do all the time because I used 0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.000 to sort of hire for all the wrong reasons. It 0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:23.800 used to sort of be like we have great chemistry, 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.799 or we get along really well, or um, like we 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.040 say in in program, is like they're a Christmas tree. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.319 They light you up, they're activating some kind of And 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:36.440 when do you realize you made a bad choice? Um, 0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.160 when you feel any kind of adrenaline around the person, 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.600 or when your behavior starts to change around the person, 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.000 or when you start being inauthentic around them, like how 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:46.640 was your weekind it was? When you start being faked, 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.319 it's usually when I know that I've recreated my childhood circumstance. 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.200 Do you ever have that kind of experience with someone 0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:01.319 over great and have it work out they're good at 0:39:01.320 --> 0:39:08.400 their job. Yes, yes, yes, I m M, yes, I 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.560 think you can do that now. I didn't. There's a 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.480 couple of staffs I have I've worked with recently that 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.560 I didn't put together myself. But I am confident now 0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:17.480 that yes, I can have chemistry with someone but also 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.200 go like I have the ability to tell you know 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:21.360 and I don't. I'm not walking on eggshells around a 0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.480 personality disorder, narcissism or an ego or whatever thing that 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.919 I'm magnetically attracted to because I grew up around Okay, 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.160 but let's let's go back to the dating thing and 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.840 then we'll get back to allen on after that. It 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.560 is way more personal than I thought I was gonna be. 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:36.520 It wasn't prevared. I thought this is gonna be like 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:40.839 a business. This is your life and this is our life. 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:45.040 But in any event, so you have that individual as 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.959 an attractive woman in a visual business, I would think 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.560 that you get hit on an asked out on dates 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:55.719 on a regular basis. I really don't. I Uh, it's 0:39:55.760 --> 0:40:00.759 so funny, like all of the like is in this 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:02.720 business that are notorious for dating a lot of people 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.279 I would like go out with and then would be like, 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.520 so what do you do? Like where do you invest? 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.440 Like I become a sexual very quickly because I'm not 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:15.360 very good at all that and uh, I'm not just 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.560 good at understanding if someone's flirting with me or if 0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:20.000 someone's interested to me. And I was always going off 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:21.680 and doing stand up at six thirty at night. It 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.920 was okay, but if you're on the date with that person, 0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:27.719 so you're what is your go to thing to do 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:32.640 on an uncomfortable date? Oh, an uncomfortable date? Um? Many 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.680 do you do? You pick up the conversation? Do you 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:39.160 feel that's your responsibility? Uh? Yeah, I'm kind of remember 0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:42.359 that first or maybe it's the third episode of The 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.400 English Office when he went on that bad date and 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.000 he's actually I didn't see it, but keep going, Oh 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:52.319 my goodness, certain things you know? Yeah, I mean and 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.000 uh he said, uh something like asked me anything, I 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.400 can talk about anything? How's that before stomach? It's just 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.880 this great thing. I can pretty much talk to anyone 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.000 and even if it but I'm talking about when you 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:08.360 feel uncomfortable, do you fill the whole? Uh? That's in 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:12.239 search joke here, Um, when I feel uncomfortable, yes, if 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:14.560 you give me ten, I'll give you ninety. Are used to. 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:18.080 Now that I'm recovery, I'm now able to just go like, okay, 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.319 I feel like this isn't going great? Should we call it? Like? 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:25.840 I can do that now? Right? Okay? But once again, okay, 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.560 so you went to recovery? How long you go to 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:31.000 alan on? About eight years? Okay? What was the final 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:33.880 thing that's says? A miracle? It's a miracle, I I 0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.600 it's a brilliant way to reparent. And I also I 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.319 wasn't able to say no, that's the other thing I'm 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.960 doing every no. But I'm asking what was the trigger 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.239 that finally made you go? Um? I have a lot 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:48.640 of family in uh struggling with alcoholism and addiction, and 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.840 I was martyring myself and you know, paying for rehabs 0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.000 and you know it was making my life on me. Okay, 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.279 so let's go back. You're the youngest child, yes, sir, 0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:02.840 to me, your two other siblings much older older sister 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.359 and older brother who lives in London. But how much 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.960 older are I'm sorry? A year and a half and 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:11.680 then I am a mistake it's known uh sort of 0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:13.520 like a joke in the family, UM, which I think 0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:17.000 is part of the achiever complex. The I was never 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:18.920 asked to be here and I need to earn my 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.720 keep type thing. And I always sort of had that psyche. 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.560 And then my brother uh lives in London. He's a 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.920 half brother who's older. I think he's forty five. Okay, 0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.040 so you grew up under what kind of circumstances were 0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.120 all of you under the same roof with two parents 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:33.840 or what happened? Yes? Yeah for the most part. No, 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.560 my parents split when I was younger, um, and it 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.640 was you know, two parents who were worked a lot more, 0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.160 very busy. I had to work very hard to get attention. UM. 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:43.680 I developed a sort of entertainer complex. I developed the 0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:45.360 ability to shape shift or in a good mood, if 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.319 you're in a bad mood, do you need funny, do 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.359 you need you know? Responsible? Do you need to cook? 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:53.160 You know? I kind of um became a parent uh 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.200 at a very young age in a way and very 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:58.640 um uh self contained. UM. I was alone a lot 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.600 as a kid, and how to entertain myself and I 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.319 checked out using fantasy. I spent a lot of time 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.840 in my room, writing stories and interviewing myself and putting 0:43:06.840 --> 0:43:10.480 on plays for myself and you know, um, writing scripts. 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:13.840 I wrote a spec for Animaniacs when I was eleven. 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:19.000 They never got it. I wrote it in a notebook. Um, 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:20.799 I didn't even know that's what I was doing. I 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.960 was like, I'm writing an episode of this show. It 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.960 was my favorite show. Um. I would make music videos 0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.520 like I was. You know, I had to keep myself entertained. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.759 But I definitely okay, but you were shape shifting. Were 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.080 you getting a good reaction or no matter what you did, 0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:36.279 it didn't work. I think the thing that got the 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:41.040 most attention was achievements and my dad valued Uh this 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.040 is your step is my actual dad value? Contact did 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.360 you have with your actual a lot um? And what 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:53.040 did he get remarried? Yes, many times his his I 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.680 got his attention when I achieved. Um. He comes from Virginia, 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:00.320 West Virginia, lower class. For him, achievement was everything. Getting 0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:03.080 into a good college, um was everything. So for me 0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.680 to have the best grades half straight a's, that was it. 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.400 And I've had developed a sort of perfectionism. Okay, So 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.480 what was your experience in school? Were you the genius 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.600 that girls didn't want to talk to or what. No. 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:18.200 I was the person who wasn't always naturally smart. So 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.399 my tactic was outwork everyone. Okay, work harder than okay, 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.279 but you achieve good results. But how did you fit 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.160 in amongst the or thirty kids in class? Not well? 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.560 I was not particularly I was not particularly popular. I 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:37.040 think I hate when people say that always that's right now. 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.520 I was in a very clicky Catholic school UM called 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.840 UH outside of d C, I was in a couple 0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.760 but UM. Then when I graduated from and I actually 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.520 lived in Roanoke, Virginia for a couple of years with 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.040 my aunts, and then I transferred back sophomore year of 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:53.800 high school. So I was the weirdo that was like 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:56.000 had the wrong uniform and I was like walking in 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.200 when all the girls were friends. And but I was 0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.920 good at basketball and I was really good at volleyball, 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:01.800 so I was kind of like a sports girl person. 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:03.560 But I was very much on my own. I had 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.360 one friend named Lee Stitzer, who was like a goth girl, 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:08.320 and we would like hang out, and you know, I 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.520 also had all sorts of you know, eating disorders, so 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.239 I was very like isolated and weird that way. I 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.040 was modeling at the time, so I was gone for 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:16.520 a couple of days at a time. I did not 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.680 really How did you feel internally? Um? Numb. I didn't 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.600 really feel much until my MIDSI feel you didn't yearn 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:25.839 to be a member of the group. I think that I, 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.759 um know, I never thought that I could really fit in. 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:31.839 I didn't really. I just tried to succeed. Okay, so 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.240 you succeeded. You got into pen where basically you worked, 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:38.000 and you did it in three years. So now that 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.960 you're adult life, are you someone who now fits in 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.560 or is that still an issue? Huh? I think that 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.560 you know, it's interesting because I think we're in one 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:51.719 of the only towns where having approval from strangers and 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.200 fitting in or kind of synonymous. It's hard to tell 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:57.680 sometimes because you can show at a party and everyone's like, wait, wait, wait, 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.840 but but we might not hang out me. You know, 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.440 I don't know. I know a million people. If I 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.759 fit in, I don't know why. I don't know if 0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:10.600 it's because of may effervescent or you're you. Something happened 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.319 to you, either positive or negative that you want to 0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:17.799 share other than your boyfriend fiance. How many other people 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:21.920 can you call when I what something it's specially good 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:28.560 or especially bad happens, not family member friends, It depends. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.680 I don't share good news normally I have Uh, I 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:38.120 would say for people that I for, I would say 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:42.560 like family people And Okay, so, so at this late date, 0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:48.200 do you feel very singular or embedded? Singular or embedded 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:53.120 embedded in with entrench do you mean exactly? I'm it's 0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:57.080 tricky because I am such a lone, weirdo wolf type person. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.000 I mean, I'll be on tour for you know, six months, 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.640 and I won't be able to see anyone for six months, 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.560 and then I hop I pop back in. I'm like, hey, guys, 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:05.719 what's up there? Like you missed three weddings? Like what 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:08.600 is you know? It's most of my really close friends 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.839 are comedians who we know that we can sort of 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:14.359 not see each other for three months but have lost 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.160 no time or credit or there's no like scorekeeping in 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.759 our friendships. So most of my my tightest friendships are 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.320 with people that have the same lifestyle. Okay, let's go 0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:24.480 back to the relationship thing. Did you have relationships in 0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.640 high school? You are like Howard, You're It is like 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:31.200 being because it's like zig zag. It's like there's there's 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:34.920 no way to get with you. I have a I 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:37.000 told you I didn't get these sleep last night. I 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.759 told you I had migrated, and you were like, perfect, Okay, 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.120 I'll roll with that. It's good. You're very You're just 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:46.600 your brain and works so fast. Okay, So relationships. Did 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.320 you have relationships in high school? No friendships? No? No, 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:55.040 I'm talking about boy girl No no, I mean yes, 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.960 but nothing real. So when did you lose your virginity? Oh? Wow? 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:01.399 Does he always ask this to people? Does he ask 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:03.800 this question to you? Don't have to answer anything. This 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.600 is a wild show. I think I was fifteen. I 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:14.040 would say, okay, so you had enough relationship to it's 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.560 not a young we're That's not what I'm finding. I'm 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:21.400 trying to I come from Kavanaugh Country. Well that was 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:27.640 that your Marylands tak advantage of you know? How dare 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:32.359 you accuse him? Um? No, I didn't. I didn't. I don't. 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:34.719 I wasn't. I didn't go to parties like that. I 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.759 was like a sports dork and I lived with my mom. 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.319 Did you like sports and stop about today? I was 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.280 very good at basketball, like when and played in Europe, 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:48.759 Like really, hey you yeah it was? It was My 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:52.040 whole life was playing basketball. And then I, you know, 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.000 I was also modeling to make money and I started, 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:58.560 you know, sort of leaning into the eating disorders associated 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.920 with botteling, and I stopped being able to play basketball. Okay, 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.040 so do you take a sports today. I have a 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.520 sport court at my home and occasionally for Instagram, I 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.879 will play basketball just to prove to people that I can, 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:12.319 because no one believes that I can. I did an 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.840 episode of a TV show that I did for NBC 0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:17.360 where my character was really good at basketball, and everyone's like, 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.040 is that c G? I was that put In and 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:21.439 put you know. So I'll do it sometimes just around 0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:23.200 my house anything else. You are? You a person who 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:25.200 works out? I used to work out a lot, but 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:29.840 this past year I was touring so brutally that I 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.200 was getting sick a lot. Um. You know, this whole 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.399 stand up touring road dog thing is really it's cute 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.160 when you're twenty five, when thirty six, it's not a joke. 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:40.800 So I started getting sick a lot, and I stopped 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.920 working out as much. Um. For a couple of reasons. 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.000 This exciting thing happened where like women with different sort 0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:49.200 of shapes and sizes can be on television. This happened 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:53.120 like a year ago. I stopped feeling this pressure, you know, 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.560 to be in like incredible shape all the time, and 0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.360 I found like this kind of a waste of my energy. 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.120 This three hours like door to door to a trainer thing. 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.960 It's right, it's crazy. Okay, So once again, how did 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.080 you meet your fiance? Wow? An app called Riya Uh. 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:11.600 It is like Tinder for people in the business. Have 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:14.880 you not heard of ria? How are you? Okay? I 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.080 heard of it? I had Okay, so you have a 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.520 girlfriend though? Yes, since I had a free uh subscription 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.240 to a o L in the late nineties, I lived online. 0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:28.440 Why does he say phrase is a joke of free subscription? 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.000 What it was in ten dollars? No, that was when 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.360 everybody paid by the minute. You're not you know, you're right? 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.879 Oh my god, because one time I borrowed my friend 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:42.600 Dave Lairs. Um, he probably listened to your podcast, uh, 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:46.600 and it was like four thousand dollars. Oh my god. 0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:50.520 Once year, at the year two thousand, it was all 0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:53.000 you can eat. That's different. So the bottom line is 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:55.160 I checked out all those things. Love it a O 0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:57.520 l if I could, if I could find my account. 0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.759 I was so early on match dot com at I 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.680 have a lifetime account. Whereas you should treat yourself to 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.560 takeing andandera riah. It's an it's not invitation only, but 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.080 you have to be approved by a board. And it's 0:51:10.120 --> 0:51:13.600 lots of celebrities like John Cusack is on it. I'm 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:17.640 calling him out, Uh, lots of like it's like all 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:19.160 the men in Hollywood. I feel like I've been trying 0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.160 to avoid for the past fifteen years, all in one place. No, 0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:24.360 but I find a fact I got into so early. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.560 It was when the in the nineties and the earlier 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:29.480 part of the century. That was when people still had 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:33.560 a fantasy that they could meet the right person. It's 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.520 not knowing that in almost all these cases the problems 0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.920 with themselves, okay, whereas now it's totally different. It's a 0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.440 you know, it's a known way, and people go, I 0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:44.279 love it. I think it's great. I you know, I 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:47.120 get I think there's a certain point in your career 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.040 just I mean, I'm so pro meeting online. It's crazy. 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:52.400 So did you try other apps before that? I was 0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:54.279 on Tinder as a joke to write jokes about it, 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:56.520 and I got on like Grinder to like see what 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:59.560 it was forgetting grinder, which is gay if we start 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.680 on tin. Did you actually go on any dates with 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.480 those people? No? I went on one tender date, like 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.479 I was going through just writing jokes about it because 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:07.879 it had just come out. I had this whole chunk 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.520 in my third stand up special about it, and so 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:13.479 I was on it. I didn't like see a cute 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:14.759 guy on there that I was like, I feel like 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.879 I know him somehow. And we started flirting and he's 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.080 like can we meet? And I was like sure, Like 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.399 why not? You know, like I'm at the comedy store, 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:25.920 come by, like there'll be people around. He can't murder me. 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.480 And he showed up and he was like, oh my god. 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:31.480 I didn't think it would really be you. And I 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.239 was like what, Like he thought it was understanding. He 0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:37.640 thought it was a joke or something, and I realized, like, crap, 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.840 I probably can't do this. So how did you decide 0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:43.600 to go on royal Um? A friend of mine was 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:47.520 on it and she uh, and I was like looking 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:50.960 at it and I was like, Okay, why not well, 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:57.320 how desirous were you of meeting Mr Wright? Um? Pretty, 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:02.360 I mean that's pretty programmed into my you know, wish list. Um. 0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:07.000 You know, for me, I think that relationships. I'm gonna 0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:09.799 this is gonna sound sociopathic or like mercenary or something. 0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:13.879 But UM, I think that healthy, stable, romantic relationships are 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.920 a great business decision. Um. The chaos of dating and 0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:22.879 uncertainty and you know, um, it's not appealing to me. Um. 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:24.480 I look at a lot of people whose careers I 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:28.520 really admire, and they have very stable, borderline boring home 0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:31.120 lives so that they can have energy available for their 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:35.680 creative endeavors. And I have enough um risk and uh, 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:40.719 chaos and pain and vicissitudes in my professional life. I 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.480 don't want him in my personal life. Well, it's very 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:46.200 interesting because David Brooks he wrote a whole book or 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:50.080 article saying, who you marry is the most important decision 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:55.359 that he divorced his wife Brooks. If that's a real 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.480 Hollywood answer, No, David Brooks from The New York Times 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:03.480 A long time I that's wild. Yeah, No, there's is 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:06.560 it a flowbear quote? Be boring in your personal life 0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:10.200 so you can be violent in your creative life. Something 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.719 I just find that. You know, and I know a 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:16.920 couple of people in arrange marriages. They're good, man. I 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.040 can't just throw that out there. I'm I would believe 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:25.120 in that now, like where okay, by whom South Asians 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:30.880 have to say that? Not conventional white white people in America? Okay, 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:35.240 but now am a somewhat of a believer in arrange marriages. 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.799 Not literally, I think you should marry someone who has 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.839 the same frame of reference. Okay, I can't believe you 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:43.360 just said that. I almost wrote a joke about that 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:44.719 because I dated a guy who is older than me, 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:46.680 and he always want to listen to Robert Plant and 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.040 I didn't know any of the songs, Like, is that 0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.600 what you mean? Like this one element? But that's we 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:55.000 didn't know the same That's like the classic guy mary, 0:54:55.120 --> 0:54:57.200 you know, getting involved with someone much younger. What then 0:54:57.280 --> 0:55:00.560 do you talk about that is? I mean, it just 0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:02.799 was more like in the in the car, I want 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:05.480 to turn up Robin and saying to the top of 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.600 my lungs, and then he wants to and it's just 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.439 like it's just a road trips. Okay, but I'm really 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.520 talking about something different. Okay, I came from a family. 0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.799 My parents are good plenty. My father died long time ago. 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:21.440 My mother's ninety two. And Connecticut. I did google you, Oh, 0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.000 I did google middle Bar That's why I went to 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.920 college in Vermont. But I grew up in a you know, 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.440 melting pop culture, went to public high school, but it 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.680 was fifty miles from New York, so it was all 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.360 New York media. Can I ask you a gossipy question 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.640 out do you know Jim Burrows? I know who that is? 0:55:37.719 --> 0:55:40.040 I don't know, okay, because apparently he owns more of 0:55:40.120 --> 0:55:43.160 Vermont than the state of Vermont. Well, when I went 0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.560 to Vermont, it was still right, it was before it 0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:49.280 turned left because everybody moved there back to the land movement, 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:51.880 and people were there and stayed there, like my college 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.279 roommates stayed. There's a wonderful club in Burlington. Right when 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.719 I went to Burlington, they had one, you know, that 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.319 was thirty five miles north of Middlebury. So I would 0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:03.600 go there to buy records because you could buy them discount. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.319 But this was before Ben and Jerry's was before it 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.319 was hip. Burlington was not a hip. My brother went 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:13.920 to university Everymont, right, I mean I went to college 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.800 in the dark ages, in that there was no internet 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.759 and there was only one snowy TV station, and I 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:25.200 missed those I missed if I missed four TV stations, 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.480 now that I just had to pitch to fourteen streamers. 0:56:28.520 --> 0:56:31.040 But the interesting thing was you were going to college. 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.160 When I went there, there's eighteen hundred people. Now it's 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:37.080 like dred and it's like it stunted you in so 0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:40.080 many ways. Saw the same people all the time. They 0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.640 were like your brother and sister relationships, you were rare, 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.280 You lived on campus, you never read to expectancy was long, 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:49.920 sounds awful, And if I had to do it all 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:51.799 over again, I wouldn't go there. But no, I am 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:57.120 from Connecticut, interrupted you. So uh. But going back to 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.840 the oh, when I said, from the same thing, some 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:05.120 of these criteria same income, same level of education, parents, 0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:08.160 staying together, these are critical things. It's like the woman 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:12.839 I was married to, sure mother had been married multiple times, 0:57:12.880 --> 0:57:16.000 and the father left one woman while we were there. 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.360 So the fact that she left me, that was part 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:23.760 of the d n A. So also like I did. 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:28.040 Daniel Glass, who's a guy. At the time, he ran 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:30.800 a company called SPK Records. That was Wilson Phillips a 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:35.560 million other people, and I did, okay, well, this was 0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:38.400 their very first appearance at that convention the end of 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:43.520 eighty nine in uh the desert. But in any event, 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:48.240 um the he said he needed three things to work 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.800 at SPK records. You had to really want to work 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.280 at SPK records. You had to work retail because that's 0:57:54.280 --> 0:57:56.800 where the transaction took place. And you had to have 0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.800 graduated from college. Now I have a law degree on 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.440 I got to play education. But I nailed, you know, 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.760 Daniel Leader, and I said, listen, we live in a 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.600 we work in a business. David Geffen Irving as off 0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:10.720 they didn't finish college. He goes, No, it's not about 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:14.200 what you learn in college. It shows you can complete something. 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:19.960 And these are really important criteria. So it shows that 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.439 you have money to finish college. It shows that your 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.320 parents are rich. Well need let's just say college is 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.320 much more expensive even you know, with adjusted dollars. I 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.840 mean it's becoming eugenics program exactly. Well. Also, who you 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:38.160 meet in college, well, I guess this is my network. Yeah, exactly. 0:58:38.200 --> 0:58:39.880 I didn't go to one of those colleges or it 0:58:39.960 --> 0:58:45.080 was before that era. Um. But the point being that 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:50.000 certain similarities I think are better when you then encounter 0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.320 the world. When you talk about that original team thing 0:58:52.520 --> 0:58:54.400 and the way we originally do it is we go 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.840 to a bar, we go to a party, we meet somebody. 0:58:56.880 --> 0:59:00.400 It's based on looks, conversation, all these other things, mega 0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:02.920 lack of other people you've met, you know. I think 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:06.360 now that there's there's this sort of you know, you know, 0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:10.040 I mean, the the age of people losing the virginity 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:13.480 is going up. I noticed that, it's wild, but you didn't. 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:18.320 Also you notice that day I understand. But the other 0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:22.440 thing about it is the more educated you are, the 0:59:22.520 --> 0:59:24.760 less chance that you will get divorced, and the more 0:59:24.840 --> 0:59:27.360 chance you will even get married, especially in today, in 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.320 today's world, we can have children without being married. Yeah. 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:33.520 I mean, look, you you are a master of the 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.720 law and of the five I mean marriages of wild 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:41.520 you know thing, and you know it behooves you in 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:46.400 some ways economically if you stay together. Okay, the person 0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:50.000 you're engaged, who have they been married before? Okay? How 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.920 old is this guy? My age seven? Okay? And what 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:56.800 does he do for a living? Okay? So how many frogs. 0:59:56.800 --> 1:00:00.640 Did you have to kiss before you make um? Uh 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:05.360 plenty plenty five twenty. I'm talking about once you join 1:00:05.440 --> 1:00:07.080 the ap? What is what I would saying, what does 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:12.280 kissing frog mean? These days? I went on on Rya actually, 1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.320 believe it or not, so many people were sending me 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:17.440 resumes and asking me for jobs that it like I 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:19.520 ended up meeting a couple of people that end up 1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:21.960 being like platonic friends. There was one guy on there 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.800 that like invented some web browser and I was like, hey, like, 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:27.000 you know, do you want to just get a drink 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.240 and can I ask you some financial advice? And I 1:00:29.280 --> 1:00:31.160 asked him like who we invested with and stuff. So 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:33.760 I ended up just sort of like meeting some really 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.240 interesting people on there. But I don't know off Rya, 1:00:37.400 --> 1:00:41.600 maybe one he was maybe the second guy. Yeah, you're 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.600 texting with a lot, but you're not meeting up with 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:45.280 a lot. I was in post production on a movie 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:47.360 at the time, and I was so bored in the 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.480 editing room that I was like, right, was like a 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.600 video game. I was just texting with everybody and not 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:53.640 actually going out with anyone. Okay, so how did you 1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:56.400 connect with your fiance? He was in New York. Um, 1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:59.160 and I was. I very much felt like, Okay, the 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:00.800 person that I'm going to a date next is not 1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:05.800 in l A like I know everyone. So no from 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.760 he was he's from Kentucky and them was in New York, Tucky. 1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:14.000 He's from advert from Kentucky. So Kentucky like backwoods like backwoods? Yes, 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:18.640 backwoods Kentucky. What did his parents do for a living? Um? Uh? 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:24.640 One was made documentaries, okay, and advertising. It's okay. So 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.920 he's in New York and then in New York and 1:01:28.040 --> 1:01:30.800 we I'm good in small doses in the beginning. I 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:33.800 also have an addictive personality, and if you're in the 1:01:33.840 --> 1:01:36.320 same city, we might just too much, too fast and 1:01:36.360 --> 1:01:38.200 blow it up. Well, how many times have you hurting 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:40.800 your life? You're too much for people? Many I can 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:45.800 tell that? Really, come on, Okay, So I haven't heard 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:50.000 it from I've only heard it from guys in relationships 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:53.080 who are losing an argument. I haven't heard it from like, 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.080 let me let me ask you. Are you capable of 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:59.280 losing an argument in a relationship? Um, But that's a 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:02.919 loaded question. My dad was a lawyer, and it's very 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:05.280 hard for me too. I I don't like to lose. 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.240 I have my answer, But I do know that capitulating 1:02:10.240 --> 1:02:13.840 and apologizing is often actually winning, So I don't I 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.720 don't know if I learn that in the Yes, I 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:18.920 get you know, winning sometimes the best way to win 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.240 a war as a masterful retreat. Um, And I can 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.560 own it when I don't think that losing an argument 1:02:24.600 --> 1:02:26.760 means admitting you were wrong. You know a lot of 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:30.880 times it's me admitting like, hey, I shouldn't have handled it, 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:32.840 that I shouldn't have done that, I'm sorry my back. Okay, 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:34.960 So let's go back to your fiance. So you're on 1:02:34.960 --> 1:02:37.320 the west coast, he's on the East coast, and so 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:41.120 how do you ultimately connect over Riah? Then we started texting, 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:43.560 and Um, I was back and forth. I was writing 1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:45.200 a book at the time, and I was back and 1:02:45.240 --> 1:02:47.320 forth from New York. I like rented a place in 1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:49.400 New York and I had this sort of like romantic 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:52.520 vision of writing a book in New York and that's 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:54.400 where I was going to get my creative inspiration. So 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:57.120 I was there and saw like every two weeks for 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:03.720 like a year, and who was into who first? Um 1:03:03.760 --> 1:03:08.640 it seemed mutual. UM, I think it was mutual. Okay, 1:03:08.680 --> 1:03:14.840 maybe on dating apps works that way people in real life. No, 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:19.160 you know, I think it was mutual. Um, I've definitely 1:03:20.280 --> 1:03:24.320 I'm very clear when I'm interested in something, and I 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:25.840 don't like to waste time or play games. So I'm 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:28.080 sure ostensibly I came off a little more like are 1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:29.480 we doing this and we're not doing this because I 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:31.560 don't have time to be in this in between? And Okay, 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:33.440 so then you have a relationship, how do you decide 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.160 you want to continue with theoretically for all time? Um, 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:39.920 I'm pretty uh. For me, it's like if if within 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:43.800 a year, if there's you know, it's not going well, 1:03:43.800 --> 1:03:46.520 I'm pretty good about being like, I'm gonna call it. Um. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:48.400 I love what I do. There's a lot of things 1:03:48.400 --> 1:03:50.560 I want to do, so I don't really sit around 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.440 and like wait for something to fizzle or work out. 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:54.880 I kind of tend to So how come he hasn't 1:03:54.880 --> 1:03:57.280 been married till he was thirty seven or you don't know? 1:03:57.400 --> 1:04:01.680 I think that that's a is that late? Well, they say, 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:04.320 they say, don't marry a guy over forty who's never 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:06.840 been married because he's set in his ways. Okay, but 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:11.640 these are you know in the year you know, nged marriage. 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:17.160 But as I say, so, thirty seven is within the limit. Okay, 1:04:17.200 --> 1:04:20.760 but but it is still high. So it makes me wonder. 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:24.360 You know, he's not in a negative way, but his identity. 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:27.400 Well that's interesting because I also if I'm with someone 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:29.760 who's already been engaged or married, I'm like, well, they 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:33.680 proposed everyone, but specially I know someone like that, Yeah, 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:37.920 who thinks the way he proposed to like three women 1:04:37.960 --> 1:04:40.280 before he married the first wife. Whatever. I know a 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:43.200 guy who is a very successful movie person who's been 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:46.000 engaged many times. In his theory is it's just a ring. 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:52.320 It'll make things copasetic. Guy, I don't, don't. I'm just 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:58.160 saying that person ever been married is now. Yeah. But right, 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:03.040 my guests, I'm not a big like you know, I'm 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:05.440 just want to be able to do what I do 1:05:05.520 --> 1:05:10.600 in an effective way, and um, marriage just you know, 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:14.640 it's it's good. I also need walls around me, Okay, 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:18.680 but I'm trying to understand primarily why you're attracted. And 1:05:18.720 --> 1:05:22.280 what I'm hearing now is either there's a reluctant or 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:25.520 our lack of knowledge in terms of where he's coming from. No. 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:31.480 I think he's just in an awesome and incredibly kind 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:36.000 and down to be with someone who's unconventional and gone 1:05:36.040 --> 1:05:39.200 most of the time. So where you going to ultimately live? 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:43.240 I just bought a house in Wooden Hills, California. How 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:44.880 do you like to feel about living in the valley? 1:05:44.920 --> 1:05:47.520 I love it. I'm obsessed with it. I wanted four 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:50.680 acres and to not see one house and my home 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:54.280 anywhere else would be forty million dollars, So I'm upset. 1:05:54.320 --> 1:05:57.120 It's basically too Panga. I wanted to live into Panga Canyon. 1:05:57.320 --> 1:06:00.680 So it's south of the boulevards. Is that what it is? 1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:03.760 Is it? Yeah? I'm up in the hills, like to 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:06.360 Panga Hills, basically what it's called Woodland Hills. I love 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:10.240 it over there. Um, I like a good deal, and 1:06:10.360 --> 1:06:11.880 I just think a lot of stuff around he's just 1:06:11.880 --> 1:06:15.200 a bad deal, and I don't like noise. Okay. Is 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:19.120 there a gated community, yes, sir? Okay, So he's moved 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:22.040 out here, and is he working? Yes, yes, sir, he 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:25.520 works for Vice. And so it would sound like financially 1:06:25.560 --> 1:06:28.760 you're more successful than he is. Um, you could say that, yes, 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:32.600 and so so you can you're gonna get a pre nap. Yes, 1:06:33.440 --> 1:06:36.480 but he comes from his family. You know he wants it. 1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:40.000 There's no question about it, no awkwardness whatsoever. But is 1:06:40.000 --> 1:06:44.440 there awkwardness that you earn more money than he does. No, weirdly, 1:06:44.720 --> 1:06:46.720 because he pays for all his own stuff and really 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:48.400 goes out of his way to be like, I'm covering 1:06:48.440 --> 1:06:52.000 this and he's just very um traditional is not the word, 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:55.240 but gets ahead of that. There's never been a weird 1:06:55.320 --> 1:06:57.840 conversation about that. And then I think a really good 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:00.560 life hack for this is when we go on trips. 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:03.640 Because I get paid to post on social media, We'll 1:07:03.680 --> 1:07:05.880 do like a free room for me to post on 1:07:05.920 --> 1:07:08.480 social It doesn't feel like I'm like paying for trips 1:07:08.520 --> 1:07:11.200 and I feel cooky. And you plan to have children, 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:13.040 I think so. I froze my eggs when I was 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:15.480 thirty three, which is a really good decision on my part, 1:07:15.480 --> 1:07:17.320 if I may say so myself. I did it just 1:07:17.400 --> 1:07:21.280 out of just fear alone. And then I'll probably end 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:23.840 up freezing embryos in the next couple of years. But 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:25.640 I don't want to do it right now. So what 1:07:25.680 --> 1:07:27.200 would be the right age to have a kid. I 1:07:27.240 --> 1:07:29.360 want to do in like two years maybe, Okay, that's 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.520 not far Okay, thirty seven, So I'm pushing I mean, 1:07:31.560 --> 1:07:34.200 I'm definitely pushing it. That's why I ask. And whether 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:36.400 that was a motivation to get married, I don't. There's 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:38.840 just a gold rush in touring right now, and I 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:42.760 want to tour again and I uh in the next year, 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:44.560 and I don't want to do it pregnant. So how 1:07:44.600 --> 1:07:46.640 many dates a year are you doing now? I'm probably 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:51.120 going to do a tour in March. Uh maybe? And 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:55.000 what kind of buildings do you play? I'll just do theaters, okay. 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:57.960 And as I say, you know, most musicians would say 1:07:58.000 --> 1:08:00.000 they do it for the one or two hours on stage. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:02.920 You with the same viewpoint? Uh oh, I see. You 1:08:02.920 --> 1:08:05.760 mean you get paid to travel, not to perform. Yeah. 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:09.080 Oh no. I I live for stand up. Um. It's 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.040 one of the only things that brings me real joy 1:08:11.240 --> 1:08:15.520 and I love doing it for people that are in um, 1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:18.679 other cities, other places. What do you think of weird 1:08:18.720 --> 1:08:22.960 stand up is today? In general? Couldn't be a more 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:29.920 um exciting, uh, the truth place to be and not 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:33.040 to mention, lucrative and bigger than ever, right, you know? 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:36.040 I mean there's definitely, like, you know, comedians, you'll hear 1:08:36.120 --> 1:08:39.360 us complaining in the green room about who's this YouTube 1:08:39.439 --> 1:08:42.479 star who's playing that theater? And wow, why is that 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:47.120 podcast guy selling out this you know venue there. There's 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:48.519 always gonna be that sort of stuff. But I think 1:08:48.560 --> 1:08:52.559 that just because of podcasting and social media, Um, people 1:08:52.560 --> 1:08:54.760 are it used to be like there's five slots on 1:08:54.760 --> 1:08:56.960 Comedy Central, there's you know, if you don't get to 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.240 tonight show, you don't get to sell tickets. Now it's like, 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:01.720 you know, different points of views are propping up and 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:04.960 people are getting famous that deserve it. So what's the 1:09:05.040 --> 1:09:08.400 ultimate target, the ultimate goal for you? Um, I'm actually 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.599 starting a podcast in a couple of weeks and I'm 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:13.840 very excited about it. Um, that podcast look like I 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:16.719 was very trepidacious about it for a long time. Um, 1:09:16.760 --> 1:09:19.000 it's gonna just sort of be whatever fascinates me. It's 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.400 gonna be scientists, it's gonna be artists, it's gonna be therapists, 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:24.200 it's gonna be comedians, it's gonna be beauty X like 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:26.880 anything that I'm sort of curious about because I spend 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:29.080 all this time with these like incredibly smart people, and 1:09:29.120 --> 1:09:31.599 I realized I'm not Why aren't I? Why don't other 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:34.160 people get to listen to this? Um? So that's part 1:09:34.200 --> 1:09:37.040 of your life, you know, As I say, you seek 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.479 out these people were experts in their area. Yeah, I 1:09:39.520 --> 1:09:41.800 just I like to surround myself with people that are 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:45.080 just generally better than me. Um uh. Maybe it's just 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.120 me being insecure or something. But I made a movie 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:49.000 about neurology, and I end up spending all this time 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:53.080 with these incredible neurologists. Um. And they were just telling 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:54.320 me all this mind blowing stuff, and I was like, 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:56.920 why are we recording? This? Is crazy? And have my 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:59.960 friends are unbelievably be brilliant comedians and when we're hanging 1:10:00.040 --> 1:10:01.400 out in the hallway and we're like, why are we 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:04.040 recording all this? You know? So it's really very simple, 1:10:04.240 --> 1:10:06.479 just the people I find fascinating and funny. Okay, but 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:11.800 like in a bigger goal, Okay, what's your ultimate destination? UM? 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:13.920 To be able to continue doing stand up and to 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:16.240 um never have to take a job that I don't 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:19.120 want to take for money. But it's not like world domination. 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:21.320 You want everybody in America to know your name or 1:10:21.360 --> 1:10:24.880 something like that. Do people talk like that. Musicians absolutely do, 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:27.680 really absolutely, they say like, I want to be a 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:29.840 household name, well what I had. It really started with 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:32.360 the police because the guys in the police, well the 1:10:32.400 --> 1:10:34.919 manager and the drummer, their father was in the CIA, 1:10:35.560 --> 1:10:38.880 so they had lived in all these different locations. So 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:43.160 the manager said, ultimately, why don't we tour all these 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:46.599 places which no one else did. We'll go to India, 1:10:46.640 --> 1:10:48.960 will go to Africa, We'll go to all these places. 1:10:49.200 --> 1:10:51.960 And literally, you know, that's the early eighties, late seventies, 1:10:52.000 --> 1:10:54.759 early eighties, but by time they're on MTV, that became 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:57.360 the goal, and of course the paradigm is completely shifted. 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.360 You would make a record and the goal that you 1:11:00.360 --> 1:11:01.800 would be on tour. First it was two and a 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:03.439 half years, then it turned to three or four years 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:05.880 because you would go to every market and pick up 1:11:05.880 --> 1:11:08.840 the money. Certainly as results of MTV. Up until like 1:11:08.880 --> 1:11:13.400 the year, MTV was in every territory, so you were 1:11:13.439 --> 1:11:16.080 either on MTV or you weren't, and if you were 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:20.519 on MTV, everybody around the world knew you. Okay, paradigm 1:11:20.640 --> 1:11:24.920 is completely shifted, and people can't rest with that because 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:27.960 I realized this. Like seven or eight years ago. The 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:29.640 Empire State of Mind was a big hit and a 1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:31.559 friend of mine was doing the tour and he goes, 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:34.559 I said, you know that means nothing in l A. 1:11:34.800 --> 1:11:37.320 Forget that the song is about New York. Okay. So 1:11:37.360 --> 1:11:39.720 we have all of these acts except for the TikTok 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:43.160 interaction with Little nas X. We have all these acts 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:48.120 that are paraded in the channels that theoretically give you 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:51.320 reach that are not that big. You look at tell 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:53.400 us we wrote a song about me. It's a dangerous subject. 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:55.439 But this record is a complete stiff. But if you 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.960 went back to nine, which was a big hit, everyone 1:11:59.080 --> 1:12:02.800 knew the song We're never ever getting back together. You 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:06.120 ask somebody sing another song, they can't. There's a small 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:09.400 segment who are fans. So if you go back to 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:12.360 what I'm saying, it's like perfect, I say, David Brooks, 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:15.040 you think of the movie Guy. Okay, it's like the 1:12:15.080 --> 1:12:17.240 New York Times. So when people, I mean, I find 1:12:17.240 --> 1:12:18.880 this myself, I used to think, well, if it was 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:20.600 written in the New York Times, it was written in 1:12:20.640 --> 1:12:22.920 these places. People are aware of it. They are not, 1:12:23.560 --> 1:12:27.200 So the destination becomes different. So we're all on our 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:30.120 own vertical. But the result of what's happened about the 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:32.280 seven eight a year, the last seven or eight years, 1:12:32.320 --> 1:12:35.880 there's internet cacophony such that it is harder than ever 1:12:36.040 --> 1:12:40.360 to grow your audience because the audience is inundated with messages, 1:12:40.760 --> 1:12:44.080 and what ultimately makes them connect is when they hear 1:12:44.080 --> 1:12:46.680 it from a trusted source as a purveyor. You're not 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:51.519 really sure who those trusted sources are. It's that little 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:53.400 well as I say, but you don't know which person. 1:12:53.439 --> 1:12:55.800 You can't say, oh, this particular person is the person 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.160 I need. And so it's funny. I mean, it's like, 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:01.679 you know, being on latent I TV. I never watched 1:13:01.760 --> 1:13:04.040 Late Night. I just did two weeks of I'm sorry, 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:07.360 two months of press and still unsure what moved the 1:13:07.400 --> 1:13:09.880 needle on my stand up special. I did three talk shows, 1:13:10.080 --> 1:13:13.000 fifteen podcast, Today's Show. It was just like you have 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.320 to do all of it and just hope something sticks. 1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:17.599 It used to be you do Howard Stern, you do Letterman, 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:20.240 you do Kim All your Ellen, and you're done. Well. 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:23.120 I'm at this point in time. I think I went 1:13:23.120 --> 1:13:26.040 through this with Howard in his book, He's speaking to 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:29.920 his audience so dramatically, it's his act, my act whatever 1:13:30.160 --> 1:13:32.680 is very unique. If you're not into it, you hate it, 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:34.720 that's right. And there's also there It used to be 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:38.000 like I kind of know these famous people. Now it's 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:40.720 you either have never heard of someone or you know 1:13:40.760 --> 1:13:43.439 what they had for breakfast exactly. So now when I 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:46.160 do shows, it used to be like, yeah, my wife 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:48.600 likes you, and now I'm on stage of people like 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:52.680 how's your knee? It's people that know me so intimately 1:13:53.560 --> 1:13:55.760 and will buy anything. You know, it's a it's a 1:13:55.800 --> 1:13:59.599 more passionate audio, but it's you know, less of how 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:02.640 do you can as the as the purveyor how do 1:14:02.680 --> 1:14:06.479 you feel about that? I mean quality versus quantity of fans? 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:09.200 I mean that's always the question is if you know, 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.160 fifty million people know you, but they won't pay sixty 1:14:12.200 --> 1:14:16.160 dollars to see you, you know, what is that? How 1:14:16.200 --> 1:14:18.639 is that useful? You know, if if people just yes, 1:14:18.720 --> 1:14:22.040 But that's a math equation that there's the emotional angle, 1:14:22.040 --> 1:14:24.920 which is totally different. Yeah for me. I mean, you know, 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.760 there's obviously like a bigger moral calling and um, you know, 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:31.479 well moral is a whole another thing. Yeah, exactly, So 1:14:31.520 --> 1:14:33.160 I'm not sort of like getting into that. I think 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:35.680 for me, like the goal is to reach the maximum 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:38.479 number of people. Well, are you say, hey, I'd like 1:14:38.520 --> 1:14:42.679 to sell out Madison Square Garden. Yeah, okay, but it's harder. 1:14:43.200 --> 1:14:46.200 That's a kind of funny thing with Sebastian Maniscalco, whom 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:51.160 I don't find funny. Dare I vehemently disagree. The only 1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:52.760 thing he did that I thought was funny when he 1:14:52.800 --> 1:14:54.600 was talking about how you can't drop by anymore. I 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:57.720 love that. That was the Entimates game, right right. But 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:00.719 the point is people say, well, he's sold three Madison 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:02.720 Square Gardens. This is when he was announced for the 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:05.360 MPTV Video Music Works, which he bombed and hurt his career. 1:15:05.600 --> 1:15:07.000 Used to be you couldn't even hurt your career. The 1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.840 exposure be enough. But it's like Maroon five doing the 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:13.360 Super Bowl actually worked against him. Okay, they say, hey, 1:15:13.439 --> 1:15:16.160 you know he did three medicines because of the Kaepernick thing. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:19.559 I don't remember. Maroon five was on and they were 1:15:19.600 --> 1:15:22.200 basically bad, and they were involved in all these things. 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:25.120 It used to be you got the exposure, okay, and 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.560 you put the tickets on sale. The next day. But 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.559 everybody knows who you are. But I also think, you know, 1:15:30.680 --> 1:15:34.160 I mean this passion thing. It's like, you know, he's 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.200 got a very specific demographic, like you said, like his 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:41.360 demographic will go see him four nights in a row 1:15:41.439 --> 1:15:46.360 that I know that most other people don't. They don't 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:48.600 understand that. It's like fish Fish will play one or 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:50.680 two weeks in Madison's were Guard at the end of 1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:53.320 the year. We now know that. But if you read 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:55.639 the New York Times or you read that, the people 1:15:55.800 --> 1:15:58.439 who think they know what's going on, they have no idea. 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:01.679 This is what's so fascinating to make. Yeah, well there's 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:11.360 the I mean the Emmy's how many people watch them? Yeah, 1:16:11.439 --> 1:16:14.000 there's the blogger critical look as someone that comes from 1:16:14.000 --> 1:16:17.439 the multicam world, which is multi caamras when people actually 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:19.720 watch but critics hate him, and we spend all our 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.840 time trying to get approval from thirty critics instead of 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:26.720 fifty million people. There is a point where you have 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:28.600 to decide do I want the cool kids to like me, 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:30.960 or do I want to be Walmart? Do I want 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:35.599 to be the boutique store. Were the Emmy rating shitty 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:38.880 because of the programming and other channels post. You know, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:42.839 I think that this total overcorrection of we're so afraid 1:16:42.880 --> 1:16:45.200 that someone's gonna be problematic because we're listening to this 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:48.719 two percent of the on Twitter, and we're so afraid 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:53.760 of offending somebody with our host choice because everyone's problematic 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:56.840 now ended up. I think it's my knee jerk. We 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:59.240 actually was a little bit different. When you're a little 1:16:59.280 --> 1:17:03.960 too young for this and Kurt Cobain off off himself. Okay, uh, 1:17:04.040 --> 1:17:07.000 the guy in sixty minutes, the crusty guy, his name 1:17:07.000 --> 1:17:09.320 will come to me in a second. He wrote, what 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:12.960 a waste of life whatever. Eddie Rosenblatt was president of 1:17:12.960 --> 1:17:15.040 the record company, and I spoke with him the next 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:18.599 day and he said something which really is always stuck 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:22.120 with me. He says, movies, when done right, are larger 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:26.639 than life. Music, when done right, is life itself. So 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.360 this speaks to your point about the knee, etcetera. When 1:17:29.479 --> 1:17:32.599 you when people go to see you, they're not going 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:35.439 for a night of entertainment of good jokes. They want 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:39.320 to see you because you are the act. Because if 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.880 they watch on Netflix learning to get Better seats quite frankly, okay, 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:43.920 then but knowing I'm in the room and I can 1:17:43.960 --> 1:17:46.040 yell something out and I'll respond to them. And also 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:47.760 we got to be smart. Now. You know we're doing 1:17:47.800 --> 1:17:50.000 meet and greets after the shows. You're getting a picture 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.760 with my robot. You know, I'm signing a book like 1:17:52.840 --> 1:17:55.080 it's the But the other thing is you are the 1:17:55.120 --> 1:17:59.519 act all of your new roses, predilections, etcetera. Actors. It's 1:17:59.560 --> 1:18:02.120 not the who gives a funk? They're an actor. So 1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:04.679 why should I watch the Emmy's to see someone? It's 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.719 really somebody else's shows, right, That's one of the reasons. 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:13.160 And I think, you know, look like I you know, um, 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:15.800 the people that know me know I'm as you know, 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:20.639 pretty Um. I'm trying to think of a word that's 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:22.960 not going to be charged. Maybe progressive, it's just a 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:25.840 good word. If we're going to use the Emmys to 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:30.639 to lecture people about what they should be doing with 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:35.559 their votes, are there, whatever, it's it's just really it's 1:18:35.600 --> 1:18:39.519 not an entertainment show. It's a celebrities or lecturing everybody. 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:42.000 I understand your point, but I think it's a very 1:18:42.000 --> 1:18:45.920 small audience that's reacting heavily to that. Is that most 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:48.360 people are deciding whether or not to watch the Emmys. 1:18:48.400 --> 1:18:50.479 They just want to see the dresses you're wearing. They 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:52.280 want to see a funny show. They want to see 1:18:52.400 --> 1:18:55.800 Seth McFarland dance tap dance. They want to see Tina 1:18:55.840 --> 1:18:59.200 fey and and Amy Poehler be funny. Okay, So, speaking 1:18:59.200 --> 1:19:04.479 of all those games in the varying verticals, movies, television, books, 1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:06.479 who do you think is knocking it out of the park? 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:09.759 Who are your favorites? Who are your favorites? Sebastian manis 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:17.639 of course. Um Ali Wong is killing it? Um Uh. 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:20.600 John Mulaney, I think it is really smart about the 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:22.479 choices that he saw him in that play with the 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:28.759 other guy. But I'm I haven't been turned on solely 1:19:28.800 --> 1:19:30.800 by his specials yet. I know I'm the only thing. 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:35.080 It's okay, it's um. I can disagree with you and 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:37.720 we can consist, but the only thing is everyone is 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:44.519 against me on this um and Uh. I love Jim Jeffries. Um. 1:19:45.600 --> 1:19:47.200 I think he's really good at knowing how to do 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:49.800 what he does and leaning his strengths. Bill Burr, I 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:51.960 love the way he just does what he wants to do, 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:53.800 and he's like, I'm not going to do five D 1:19:53.920 --> 1:19:55.719 talk shows to promote him. To let the work speak 1:19:55.720 --> 1:20:01.960 for itself. Um, his touring business is unbelievable. Um Uh. 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:06.160 Other people in TV, you create TV shows? What TV 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:09.439 shows do you watch? I watched Succession obviously because I'm 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:12.400 not a monster. Um. I watched a lot of things 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:13.880 that I know I have to watch, Like there's a 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:16.040 lot of like homework viewing of this is whatever. Forget 1:20:16.080 --> 1:20:18.920 that when when you actually do watch of your own choice, 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:22.000 and so many of my friends do. I end up 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:23.800 watching because I have to, and then I have enjoying it. 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:26.280 Like I just watched Dead to Me, I just loved it. Listen. 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:29.840 Lisz Feldman was on Two Brook Girls and uh, it's 1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:33.439 just unbelievable, unstoppable. Um Russian doll a friend of mine 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:37.599 made uh Leslie and Natasha. I was just blown away. 1:20:38.200 --> 1:20:39.720 Someone who's had to make stuff. I was just like, 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:44.479 the editing on this alone is causing me agit. Um Uh. 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:48.240 Other things that I watched I watch all specials, um 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:50.680 for obvious reasons. I watched a lot of documentaries, a 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.599 lot of documentaries series. I was watching that Abstract show 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:57.479 which is like that interview art show on Netflix, which 1:20:57.479 --> 1:20:59.160 I found really interesting. I watched a lot of stuff 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:02.680 about robots because I have one, which root. I have 1:21:02.720 --> 1:21:05.640 a robot that looks like me. Um, that's at the 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:07.960 end of my special. Um, i'll show it to you. 1:21:08.520 --> 1:21:11.880 But this is audio, so you can into you just 1:21:11.960 --> 1:21:15.439 so we can get your reaction on audio. So she um, 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:20.519 you know, is constantly being updated. And I'm sorry, trying 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:22.640 to learn as much as I can about robotics. And 1:21:22.880 --> 1:21:25.400 that's question the future robotics in entertainment because you know, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:28.040 everybody has a robot, you know, three months later it's 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:32.160 on a date if I'm asking one. So what does 1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:35.000 your robot do that? She can talk, she can have 1:21:35.120 --> 1:21:38.479 extemporarius conversations, she can make Instagram content, which is usually 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:39.840 what I use her for because I don't want to 1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:42.000 have to do it all because I get embarrassed. Um. 1:21:42.040 --> 1:21:44.000 But she's at the end, at the end of my special, 1:21:44.040 --> 1:21:46.000 and she's going to start like touring and giving her 1:21:46.040 --> 1:21:48.200 own talks. It but she's going to go by herself. 1:21:48.280 --> 1:21:50.519 Yeah yeah, she's she has an agent at U t 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:52.840 A and she is going to go to speak at 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:55.200 colleges and tech conferences. Okay, So how did you get 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:57.240 into this? I got into this because in this last 1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:59.759 special I ended up writing a lot about sex, robots 1:21:59.760 --> 1:22:01.680 and butts in general. I'd like forty minutes in my 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:05.120 last special about it, and then I wadn't watch. But yeah, 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:11.280 but that shows that I obviously clearly um. But basically 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:14.639 I just watched watched the special and you guys will see. 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:19.160 I don't want to spoil it, okay. And books, reading, magazines, newspapers. 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:23.120 What do you read? Books, magazines, newspapers. I do try 1:22:23.160 --> 1:22:25.400 to read books. Just got roon in Pharaoh's new book 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:28.240 Cannot Wait to Dig in Anything. Joe Rogan tells me 1:22:28.280 --> 1:22:32.280 to read. I read, um, anything human nature, technology, what 1:22:32.400 --> 1:22:35.759 social media is doing to our brains. Um is usually 1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:38.559 anything that I can write material about. So are you? 1:22:39.840 --> 1:22:42.479 I read one called The Shallows just now, which is 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:44.920 about how the Internet is changing our brains like that 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:48.000 basically the way. So you're into reading nonfiction? Nonfiction? Oh 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:51.240 only yeah, nonfiction. I'm actually about to pitch Gary Steinart's 1:22:51.280 --> 1:22:53.439 new books Super Sad, True Love Store his new book 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:56.360 what am I saying? Like success? No? Like success? That 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:57.760 was the best book I've read in like three or 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:01.920 four year to books ago. He wrote Super Sad True 1:23:01.960 --> 1:23:04.439 Love Story, which is the most brilliant, brilliant books I've 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:07.479 ever read. Um, it was being developed. It's a drama, 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:09.679 which I think it should be a half hour comedy. 1:23:09.720 --> 1:23:11.760 So we're pitching that um soon. That was like the 1:23:11.840 --> 1:23:13.960 last nonfiction book I read at night was so good 1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:15.840 I didn't want to read another. Well, obviously you're full 1:23:15.840 --> 1:23:19.880 of energy if your home alone or you like, is upbeat. Um, 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:22.920 I conserve my energy. And I'm really boring, but I'm 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:24.760 on your podcast and I want to make sure that 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:27.719 I'm good. I mean, how's your mental story will collapse 1:23:27.800 --> 1:23:30.000 when I get in your mental state? Are you someone 1:23:30.040 --> 1:23:33.760 who's tends to be happy tends to be depressed? Um? 1:23:33.800 --> 1:23:37.240 You know. Usually I'm just gonna be honest with you. 1:23:37.280 --> 1:23:41.240 I think in comedy you're as happy is your last set. 1:23:41.960 --> 1:23:43.360 So if I have a great set, I'm in a 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:45.960 good mood. If I have okay, So, if there's seven 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:50.240 nights in a week, how many are you working tonight? Yes, sir, 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:52.599 get the last factory in the comedy story. And I'm 1:23:52.600 --> 1:23:55.320 working on new material, and new material is always like 1:23:55.320 --> 1:23:59.280 like a you know, trudge through quicksand and um, you 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.360 know my mood is I'm not gonna lie greatly impacted 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:07.200 by So just one thing you're working on now, I'm 1:24:07.240 --> 1:24:13.240 working on. I'm coming for the ballet, and I'm coming 1:24:13.280 --> 1:24:15.760 for charities that I think are scams. I have a 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:17.840 bit about some charities that I think is okay, give 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:20.160 me your take on balt because my parents dragged me 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:23.160 finally said, I think it's great. I just the bit 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.120 i'm working on. I'm not gonna do a comedy in 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:29.040 front of nobody in this cement room, but I do. 1:24:29.479 --> 1:24:30.920 I'm just working on a bit that I think is 1:24:30.960 --> 1:24:33.040 an interesting conceit of, Like I think anything should go 1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.599 away if you couldn't pitch it today as a new idea, 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:39.880 Like if you're going to pitch ballet today, it's going 1:24:39.920 --> 1:24:42.679 to be awkward. It's an exactly how about base Blake 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:44.679 put in the same category, you know what you really 1:24:44.680 --> 1:24:47.160 could we have? What is that? It's just a bunch 1:24:47.160 --> 1:24:51.400 of guys in their forties who might kind of work out. 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:53.599 I think older than that. I don't know enough about 1:24:53.600 --> 1:24:55.680 baseball that even pitch it as a joke. I'll have 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:57.200 to learn, because that is a good one. Well, you 1:24:57.280 --> 1:24:59.160 know exactly, and there's a number of things you know 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:01.559 from that our past say that people are reminiscing about. 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:04.439 It's like Trump go back to you know what once was? 1:25:04.960 --> 1:25:07.439 What was wasn't so great? Yeah, right, right, right, let's 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:10.200 go back to coal mining exactly, Black Line. Well, at 1:25:10.240 --> 1:25:13.519 least I had a job. Yeah, the nostalgia of not 1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:17.599 having antibiotics. Um, but that and then a lot about 1:25:17.640 --> 1:25:20.759 how I were obsessed with privacy. Now all of a sudden, 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.880 and you know, I mean, my phone number is getting leaked. 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:25.960 It's like I remember the days when we used to 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:29.479 have a book right full of numbers and addresses, and 1:25:29.520 --> 1:25:33.240 they would just throw it at your house. They were 1:25:33.240 --> 1:25:35.799 all over the street. Do you remember phone books everywhere? 1:25:35.800 --> 1:25:39.080 I mean we used to like that. Listen, did you 1:25:39.120 --> 1:25:42.080 watch a breaking bad movie? No, I haven't seen it yet. 1:25:42.479 --> 1:25:45.920 It's not great. But the only thing what do you like? Oh? 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:49.000 I like a lot of stuff. Okay. It's like, you know, 1:25:49.040 --> 1:25:50.720 if you read the New York Times book review, and 1:25:50.720 --> 1:25:53.280 they always be what are you reading? People always up 1:25:53.320 --> 1:25:56.400 pick up obscure stuff to look good. So there are 1:25:56.439 --> 1:25:58.800 a couple of obscure things. But I'll say I loved 1:25:59.000 --> 1:26:01.280 most of this ship. I want I binge. I don't 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:05.200 watch when it's on. Okay, okay, So like the Americans, 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:07.479 I thought was great, brilliant. One of those shows that 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:15.000 ultimately gets better. The documentary about the Bogwan on Netflix, right, okay? 1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:18.120 The one about the nun before that, that was really good. 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:20.439 The nun who got killed, Oh you gotta watch. You 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:23.160 know that I killed the nunther got killed? And you 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:27.479 know it was the U in Baltimore. God, I can't 1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:29.240 remember the name. I don't know. Did you ever see 1:26:29.240 --> 1:26:31.800 the woman who wasn't there or the impostor which one 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:34.000 is the impols older? That's the I don't want to 1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:37.440 spoil it for everyone. The guy who was from Melbania 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:39.960 and he ended up going to Dallas as a missing kid? 1:26:41.000 --> 1:26:42.240 Is that one I did? I thought you were talking 1:26:42.240 --> 1:26:44.080 about one of the Rockefellers, you know, you know the 1:26:44.080 --> 1:26:46.519 guy who faked being a Rockefeller. Oh yeah, amazing. I 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:52.000 love that Charlatan body snatching. But my number one recommendation 1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:54.960 when it comes to television is Happy Valley. If you 1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:59.160 watched Happy Valley, Happy Valleys an English show, the woman 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:01.960 is on it, you see before she's the most successful. 1:27:02.040 --> 1:27:05.519 This is a drama Happy Valley. Yes it's an English 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:07.519 b BBC show, but it's on She's one of the 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:11.200 most successful what TV? She is literally the most successful 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:21.280 TV actress in the UK. Uh this? Uh? Katherine who her? Absolutely? Really? 1:27:22.040 --> 1:27:23.920 I didn't know that. Sorry, you guys aren't seeing this? 1:27:24.400 --> 1:27:27.479 Um well read her name. It came on. I cannot 1:27:27.520 --> 1:27:28.960 wait to see it. I thought you were going to say, 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:32.599 like Katherine Tait or something. Um No, I watched everything. 1:27:32.640 --> 1:27:35.120 I have to watch the homework stuff. I watched clips 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:38.720 usually the next day. Um, I want to go one more. 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:41.040 This is an agent to turn me onto this. There's 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:46.280 a French show about the town in Uh, France during 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:49.240 the Second World War called a French Village. If these 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:52.639 are like sixty five episodes, it's great, okay, But then 1:27:52.640 --> 1:27:56.360 it turned me onto another show. That show has deeper meaning. Okay. 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:59.040 There's a show called Spiral. It's a French cop show. 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:03.799 Where are this wild French cop show on Amazon? Phenomenal? Okay, 1:28:04.640 --> 1:28:07.479 so like six seasons? Did you watch The Bodyguard? Are 1:28:07.479 --> 1:28:10.639 you like that? And I watched all that? But this 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.479 is that's good? This is a like a level above 1:28:13.760 --> 1:28:16.240 now as I say this Spiral, which is a co 1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:21.160 production between Canal Plues in the BBC. You know, it's 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:23.920 I watched because these actresses and actors. We've seen him 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:27.080 in other shows and it gets better every season. But 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:29.640 you know, it's like watching a cop show in an 1:28:29.640 --> 1:28:32.599 American DV if the actors were moving, you know, much 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.240 more skilled and there was war time put into it. 1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:38.080 It is nice to watch actors that I don't recognize 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:40.559 at all. There's something just I think that for me 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:42.280 the experience of watching television. I don't know if this 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:44.840 happens to you with music or whatever. It's like, oh God, 1:28:44.840 --> 1:28:47.600 I auditioned for that, or I know that actor, Like 1:28:47.680 --> 1:28:49.720 it's just it really does take the magic out of 1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:53.960 that Meryl Streep. I always see Meryl Streep acting. It's like, yeah, 1:28:54.040 --> 1:28:56.599 she can act, but it's always Meryl Streep. You know, 1:28:57.320 --> 1:28:58.880 I can't get into it. It is like and then 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:01.760 I'm like, after like making enough movie and TV, I'm 1:29:01.760 --> 1:29:03.760 always like that was a d R, Like, oh that's 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:08.800 a I can tell when something my fiance hates me. 1:29:08.960 --> 1:29:10.719 It's like when they pick up the cup to drink 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:14.400 and you know it's totally or when they turn their head, 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:15.760 and it's like, well, I guess I'll cut you lighter. 1:29:17.520 --> 1:29:19.840 Who mixed this? Okay? A couple of other things. This 1:29:19.880 --> 1:29:22.519 is an old documentary, but legendary. Did you see capturing 1:29:22.560 --> 1:29:27.360 the Freedman's okay? And then did you see the one 1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:30.000 with triplets? What were they called? Oh? Yes, of course. 1:29:30.120 --> 1:29:36.439 I was in a hotel room in Michigan screaming. Where 1:29:36.560 --> 1:29:39.200 was I? I I don't remember. It was mind blow. Those 1:29:39.200 --> 1:29:43.559 people who don't know. It's about three you know, Jewish 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:45.800 babies in the Jewish family services, and I could say 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:48.560 this Jewish who are separated at birth and then reconnect. 1:29:48.800 --> 1:29:52.880 That's it is. I was a dog, even though there's 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:55.400 people like the twists are crazy. I knew twists were 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:58.120 coming and it just blew my mind. Loved it, especially 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:00.840 at the end. What's the one in Florida? The guy 1:30:00.920 --> 1:30:04.519 used to take the photographs and he died. That's another. 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:08.360 Listen to the Ted Bundy tapes. Ted Bundy was alive 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:11.320 and killing people. Where my girlfriend from tallahasse He was 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:13.720 so I was very familiar. It's like escaping Dana Mora. 1:30:13.880 --> 1:30:15.919 I'm not watching that. I read about it the newspaper. 1:30:16.840 --> 1:30:20.280 My god, that's so funny. I'm so fascinated by the 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.240 the idea of releasing ted, But there's just what is 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:25.160 going on with us that we want to hear? This 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:29.160 is it? Is it? Are we getting into this weird 1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:36.320 Roman colosseum entertainment like late stage late stage capitalism. Just 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:39.960 watching I mean Twitter now really is the new colosseum, 1:30:40.080 --> 1:30:43.880 watching people get humiliated and detracted and taken down and abused, 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:47.000 and we're just piling on and and some of this 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.120 entertainment is like I don't need to see that. Well, 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:53.280 you know, the change was in when we are the 1:30:53.320 --> 1:30:57.240 Irhana hostage situation. That's when it flipped from the Vietnam 1:30:57.280 --> 1:31:01.160 era Let's question America to American do no Wrong, and 1:31:01.200 --> 1:31:04.719 now we have two camps and it's like really crazy. 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:08.200 But there was one other show, the Hassan Special, so 1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:10.439 he's so great, you know, the one where he talks 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:14.840 about growing up in Sacramento. That was unbelievab brilliant. He's 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:17.479 so brilliant. There's also I'd missed, just since we're talking 1:31:17.520 --> 1:31:20.280 about this anyway, to not mention V because I remember 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.559 listening to the showrunner of Veep, I think on the 1:31:23.680 --> 1:31:26.320 NPR something talking about how because of what's going on 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:31.400 in the news, it's so hard to uh right jokes 1:31:31.840 --> 1:31:34.960 because everything's you can't Like they had like a p 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:37.920 tape joke and then it was in the news. It 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:40.240 was just like, how do you write comedy in this 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:44.360 space with how outrageous the news has become. It's actually 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:46.760 really becoming a problem for comedy. I mean, you know, 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:48.639 people want to say comedy is easier than ever now 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:50.800 these jokes just right themselves. Like, first of all, the 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:52.759 stuff isn't funny. No one wants to hear about Trump 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:55.280 on stage. I don't want us to hear about this, really, nobody, 1:31:55.880 --> 1:31:57.679 no one wants to hear about it. Can you see 1:31:58.080 --> 1:32:00.400 you can you hear an audible X tail in the 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.880 room if it comes up? Okay, what all are at capacity? 1:32:03.960 --> 1:32:08.639 What is uh contemporaneous in culture that is good material? 1:32:08.920 --> 1:32:11.080 I think, you know, I I think that this, like 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:13.880 you know, and I don't say this in a pejorative way. 1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:16.360 I'm not like a PC culture is ruining comedy people 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:20.639 person at all, But I do think that we tend 1:32:20.680 --> 1:32:24.280 to be responding to the narrative of like blogger culture 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:26.360 instead of what America actually wants. To hear about. So 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:28.600 I see a lot of common comedians going like, we 1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:31.040 are not allowed to see Trinity anymore. It's like everyone's like, 1:32:31.040 --> 1:32:35.040 what we're not like most people don't't know what you're 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:38.679 talking about exactly. We have to say they now instead 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:42.439 of him, her, and everyone's like, I don't have health 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:46.800 insurance asking about this is why SNL is so bad. 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:49.960 There's no shared culture. Never mind that they can't get 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:55.439 to a joke at the end. Problem. I love SNL. 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:56.680 It's like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They 1:32:56.680 --> 1:33:01.080 should have closed different. I'm fascinating. What I'm what I'm 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:04.640 fascinated now is we have talked long enough, not intentionally, 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:08.920 that it's not that your personality has changed, your presentation 1:33:08.960 --> 1:33:13.479 has changed because you know, hearing you on the RAF, 1:33:14.840 --> 1:33:18.400 it's because you come in when you're on Howard, it's 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:21.080 like joke joke, and I feel like I'm always so 1:33:21.120 --> 1:33:25.040 boring on Howard, whether or not you are, which I 1:33:25.120 --> 1:33:28.040 don't think you are. The point is you are very quick. 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.439 They don't come any quicker than you. So I think 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:33.559 that you know, being a male involved with you probably 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:43.720 very challenging, and I think very challenging that's where you're 1:33:43.720 --> 1:33:46.919 asking me so much. I would think that your boyfriend 1:33:46.920 --> 1:33:49.720 doesn't speak that much. He's capable of speaking, but he's 1:33:50.000 --> 1:33:53.640 not dominating the conversation. He's I'm actually pretty beta in 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:56.360 my relationships. I don't want to have to be in charge. 1:33:57.280 --> 1:34:01.080 That's not what I was saying. Okay, what I was 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:03.400 saying in terms of it's like, you see the debate 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:05.719 every week that this person spoke this much, this person 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:08.680 spoke that much. I would assume that you do the 1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:14.400 great majority of speaking. Forget what the underlying nuances. I 1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:16.240 see where, I see where you're going. And I also 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:19.200 think that he's a guy who can accept you wards 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:23.839 at all, which most other people cannot. M how dare you? Um? 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:26.120 When you find the right guy, it's like a needle 1:34:26.160 --> 1:34:28.519 in a haystack. Not everybody can accept me either. You 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:31.280 got to find somewhere kind of meat. But I'm also 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:33.960 believe it or not. Our biggest complaint in our relationship 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:36.280 is really more we don't talk enough because I'm always working. 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:38.800 I'm actually but you don't talk enough that you don't 1:34:38.800 --> 1:34:42.479 talk about important personal subject It's like, okay, we're doing this, 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:44.000 we're doing that with the book the flo it's a 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:46.679 lot like I am not very like delicate, and let's 1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:48.679 talk about every little thing. I'm like, it's fine, there's 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:50.320 no point in our So are you the guy in 1:34:50.360 --> 1:34:53.600 the relationship. I don't know what that means because I'm not. 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:56.840 My girlfriend is the guy I would like to get touched. 1:34:56.840 --> 1:34:58.720 You're not going to break up? There's no point in 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.559 having this fight. Win take it like, I'm very like 1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:04.400 that that's hard. It's just we're not going to break up. 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:08.400 If we're not. If we are, we're not. Let okay 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:12.639 forgetting on the time, but don't don't. Don't people at 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:15.800 some point need to be heard. I got you, we 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:18.040 got the rest of our lives. Let me know. Can 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:19.720 we do next? Can we put a pin in it? Like, 1:35:19.800 --> 1:35:22.559 I'm just very like, so wait, So let's assume I'm 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.439 your boyfriend and you're running out the door. Yeah, at 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:27.719 what point do I get my time? What do you need? 1:35:29.200 --> 1:35:32.360 I don't need anything. I just need friends. Show that 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:35.960 he just recommended me on the podcast. I just need 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:39.200 you to understand me and hear what's going on. So 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:41.880 I feel like that we're connected. Okay, Well, I'm not 1:35:41.960 --> 1:35:43.679 in a place to hear it right now because I'm distracted. 1:35:43.680 --> 1:35:45.840 Can we do it at a time where I'm more available? Okay, 1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:49.040 so let me help my book. When is that your book? Well, 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:52.720 you sound like like your palm pilot. That's a that's 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:55.600 a phrase. Okay, we still talk about records, you know, 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:57.599 instead of trying. I'm also big on the three day 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:00.240 rule of if we're hot and emotional about something, let's 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:04.759 talk about it in three days. Great days, three days, 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:07.559 three days. You know today's world where someone gets killed 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:09.760 and it's not even news in the afternoon. If we 1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:13.120 have an argument, I haven't even remember emotional and three 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:15.439 days with this might be a different conversation. Let's have 1:36:15.479 --> 1:36:18.519 three days. But the world runs on emotions, is like 1:36:18.640 --> 1:36:22.479 the line. I think inherently it does. But that's like Twitter. 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:25.400 People are offended, you know, that's like training and all 1:36:25.400 --> 1:36:28.080 this other stuff. Not everyone's offended by it. But yes, 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:32.000 uh you know for me, I just I have learned. 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:35.280 I'm very economical with my time, and I think arguing 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:39.840 while emotional, arguing well intoxicated on a dress, three days 1:36:39.840 --> 1:36:43.720 have passed. You are living three days past, because in 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:46.160 three days I can probably go you know what that was? 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:49.880 My fault. Right now, I'm gonna be defensive. I'm gonna 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:54.320 you're gonna be dismissing, and I got it. Three days later, 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:59.200 you're gonna say it's mindful. Gotta go. Maybe, Look, we 1:36:59.240 --> 1:37:01.960 have a shared calendar there, you know, we have a thing. Don't. 1:37:02.200 --> 1:37:05.160 Let's not fight twenty minutes before I have to drive 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:08.800 to this podcast. I'm already laid for, and um, you know, 1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:13.600 he's very he's he's uh. I'm lucky and so is 1:37:14.200 --> 1:37:17.000 even it's an afternoon. Is there any like date nights 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:19.920 at certain times when it's all when I'm not running anywhere, 1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:23.040 so we can talk. Yeah, of course I don't. We 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.920 don't not talk, you know. I just my thing is like, 1:37:26.000 --> 1:37:29.280 I don't I don't need to get in little emotional 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:32.639 fights all the time to feel alive or I don't 1:37:32.760 --> 1:37:36.559 conflate that with passion anymore. Okay, playing the psychiatrist where 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:39.280 you grew up and you said you took care of yourself, 1:37:39.760 --> 1:37:42.960 your needs are very low on that level. It depends 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:44.680 on who I'm in a relationship with, you know. I mean, 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:47.599 I'm sure you're into like attachment styles and strategies and stuff. 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:50.439 If I'm with someone who is avoidant, I get very needy. 1:37:50.479 --> 1:37:52.760 And yeah, so it's sort of like if I'm with 1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:56.599 somebody who's unavailable, I mean before recovery, it would trigger 1:37:56.640 --> 1:37:58.600 my abandonment ship and I would be needy and what 1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:00.840 are you doing? And then and and when I'm with 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:03.880 someone who's self contained and healthy, I as a result, 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.240 I'm able to be self, which is where you are now. Yeah, 1:38:06.520 --> 1:38:08.880 so that's great. Don't be with someone who triggers all 1:38:08.920 --> 1:38:12.160 your ship and makes you fine. WHOA. I think your 1:38:12.200 --> 1:38:14.559 other point is better than that. I think you should 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:20.040 know you better than that. Very good. No, I think 1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:22.559 that most people are not in touch with their own 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:25.400 issues enough. Yeah, I'm lucky that I have someone who's 1:38:25.400 --> 1:38:28.200 he's you know, can see himself. And no, but as 1:38:28.200 --> 1:38:30.840 I say, you forgetting that just specifically you say, don't 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:34.120 get yourself in situations. Most people don't know well enough 1:38:34.200 --> 1:38:39.120 what triggers that, And then the older they get, the 1:38:39.200 --> 1:38:42.000 more they're wary of going into a bad space, so 1:38:42.040 --> 1:38:44.000 they don't do that. Yeah, I think it's important to 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:45.920 really just own your ship. And I sort of I 1:38:46.040 --> 1:38:48.559 know the wounds and I know what my deficiencies are, 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:49.840 and I'm able to go. You know what if I 1:38:49.840 --> 1:38:52.160 have this conversation with you now, I'm gonna get defensive 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:54.240 and my ego is gonna get involved, and I'm rushed 1:38:54.240 --> 1:38:55.760 and I haven't eaten today and I didn't sleep. But 1:38:56.120 --> 1:38:57.760 can we please do this in three days where I'll 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:01.280 be fair. Let's talking about something really a board? Did 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.120 you actually feel that earthquake? Lass night? I did? Do 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.360 you think I lied to you? No? No, no, I'm 1:39:07.360 --> 1:39:10.080 I didn't think you lied. There was an earthquake. I wasn't. 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:13.439 I was not asleep yet even I was thrust for 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:17.639 it Hills, yes, Woodland Hills. It wasn't the Center Compton, 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:20.559 it was, yes, But it was like very deep, I 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:24.360 guess because I normally feel all this ship. It was 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:26.240 like it was I don't know if it's just my 1:39:26.320 --> 1:39:28.360 house or something. I don't know, but I was like 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:30.760 thrust up. I also have like a little chandelier that 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:32.639 I was able to see right, and I have dogs, 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:34.960 and there's animals and there's coyotes and ships. So I 1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:36.880 was like up and I couldn't come back to sleep 1:39:36.920 --> 1:39:39.960 for some reason. Scott, how we shake me to my core? 1:39:40.120 --> 1:39:43.280 How long did it shake? For? Two seconds? It was 1:39:43.360 --> 1:39:46.200 very short. I didn't. I still not over the ninety 1:39:46.200 --> 1:39:49.240 four earthquake. I wasn't here, but it seemed like it 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:51.680 was traumatizing. I'm a late night but not quite as 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:54.120 late night as I was then. But you know, it 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.000 was like at four twenty in the morning, and I 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:58.479 had been in bed for like five minutes, and it 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:01.479 was like a seven forty seven than was flying ten 1:40:01.560 --> 1:40:04.760 ft above my house. What happened in your damage, Well, 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:06.479 the first thing I did was I ran out of 1:40:06.479 --> 1:40:09.599 the house where I wasn't wearing any clothes, and my 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:13.200 neighbors were dealing with me. I thought I was gonna die, 1:40:13.520 --> 1:40:17.240 so I ran out of that that ran out of 1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:22.280 the house, and the the insulators on the on the 1:40:22.320 --> 1:40:25.400 telephone poles, they were blowing up and the world was shaking. 1:40:25.439 --> 1:40:28.599 I literally couldn't stand up straight. And then my neighbors 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:31.280 came out and we talked to I was wearing nothing, 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:34.120 and then we talked like I was fully closed. Everybody 1:40:34.160 --> 1:40:39.280 was completely shot in shock. Huh, so are your neighbors. 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:41.320 I bet you live in a fancy neighborhood, not at 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:44.519 that time, but in any event, uh. And then it 1:40:44.520 --> 1:40:47.120 shook for the following month, really pushed me over, I 1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:49.680 mean really fucked me up. I did a lot of damage, right, 1:40:49.720 --> 1:40:52.760 didn't take points. Yeah, but it shook. Ironically it was 1:40:52.960 --> 1:40:55.160 epicenter with north Ridge, but like if you were in 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:58.640 Beverly Hills you were basically much better. But where I 1:40:58.760 --> 1:41:00.960 and Woodland Hills was actually pretty good because my sister 1:41:01.000 --> 1:41:04.759 lived there at the time. But in uh, Santa Monica, 1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:08.080 buildings fell apart and everything. It was just you know, 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:12.160 the freeway broken half. It's a nightmare. It's really a 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.360 living nightmare. And word do as they say, Well, I'm 1:41:15.400 --> 1:41:18.800 not going to move away live Well, I did live 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:20.720 in Santa Monica. Now I live with my girlfriend in 1:41:20.760 --> 1:41:26.160 Sherman Oaks, you know, okay, in the hills. So because 1:41:26.160 --> 1:41:27.599 you gotta be able to drive to the west side. 1:41:27.640 --> 1:41:29.120 This is like an argument. I would like to live 1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:31.040 on the west side. She doesn't. I don't know where 1:41:31.040 --> 1:41:32.680 I live or whether what side it's on, but I 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:35.760 love it. Well, the thing about now is it's like 1:41:35.880 --> 1:41:38.360 we're behind the screen. I could be behind the screen anywhere, 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:40.760 it doesn't really matter. That's true, that's correct. I know 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.839 I FaceTime meetings. I don't I don't go to meetings anymore. 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:47.479 I usually do them over FaceTime or calls. Okay, I 1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:50.960 think we've covered anything you have to say. Um, I 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:53.680 don't think so. I don't think so. I don't know 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:56.519 what I was really walking into here. How is this 1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:59.920 different from other other we'll call it an interview that 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:05.240 other with other people. You are intense in a good way, 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:09.040 in a good way. It's definitely more personal than I anticipated. 1:42:09.040 --> 1:42:10.559 I don't. I thought we were gonna be like talking 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:13.360 about like I don't. I don't know for I thought 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:16.080 we're really talking about like business. Well, one thing I 1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:18.400 don't want your personal life is your business, right. But 1:42:18.520 --> 1:42:20.280 one thing I don't want to do is asked the 1:42:20.320 --> 1:42:23.280 same fucking questions everybody else. As I was dreading you 1:42:23.320 --> 1:42:25.200 asking me if it's harder to be a woman in comedy, 1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:27.920 I was waiting for how did you get started? I 1:42:28.040 --> 1:42:30.320 was waiting for, like, when did what was your first thing? 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:33.519 So this has been a complete delife, trust me to 1:42:33.720 --> 1:42:37.120 complete departure completely surprising and definitely shook me out of 1:42:37.160 --> 1:42:40.040 my three hours sleep that I almost I did try 1:42:40.040 --> 1:42:42.559 to reschedule you guys, and he wouldn't let me. No, 1:42:43.240 --> 1:42:45.600 I've learned, you do it now. It was wild. He 1:42:45.680 --> 1:42:47.920 was like, I'm in Santa Monica. I was like, Oh, 1:42:47.960 --> 1:42:49.439 this is gonna be a this is gonna be a 1:42:49.560 --> 1:42:52.840 slam dunk. I was like, I haven't slept much. I'm 1:42:52.880 --> 1:42:55.760 getting a migraine. I want to be an optimal You 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:58.599 seem scary. Let me do this when I've rested more. 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:02.400 And he's like, nah, today it works, Listen I have. 1:43:03.120 --> 1:43:04.759 I was like, I have a migrant. I even slept 1:43:04.800 --> 1:43:06.560 for three hours. Can I please do it when I 1:43:06.760 --> 1:43:10.360 can be my best self? He's like, see it, don't listen. 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:14.880 I've had this Like, you know, I fly a lot 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:18.120 outside business, and I found if somebody will come to 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:20.680 India and six months and then you say, well, you 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:22.760 know six months isn't really that because all we're gonna 1:43:22.760 --> 1:43:25.360 do it again next year. You better go now because 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:28.120 anything could happen. I mean you were available today. You 1:43:28.160 --> 1:43:29.519 know you could be hit by a bus and we 1:43:29.560 --> 1:43:31.120 could never do it, or you could have to go 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:32.840 to New York. You were too excited about me being 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:35.040 hit by a bus first of all. Second, are you 1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:40.160 team Scooter Braun? Uh? I would probably I'm not a 1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:43.080 verse two Interviewing Scooter Braun. Why why did you just 1:43:43.200 --> 1:43:47.120 mean like team that whole? I'm just now I have 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:51.000 just a couple's music questions. Your music I a member 1:43:51.040 --> 1:43:53.200 of his group? Is that what you're saying? Like Team 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:57.440 Taylor or Team Scooter? Wasn't that the duel? Oh you're talking? Okay, 1:43:57.840 --> 1:44:00.760 she wrote a song about me, so anything I say 1:44:00.960 --> 1:44:04.920 has to be waited that way. So she is wrong 1:44:05.000 --> 1:44:07.640 on this issue. What do you think I don't know 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:10.880 enough about it? Well, it's very simple. She he owned 1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:12.160 the music and she wanted to buy it back, and 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:14.320 he wouldn't let her know. That's not the way it is. 1:44:14.920 --> 1:44:18.800 Somebody owns one of your TV shows, We're gonna use 1:44:18.840 --> 1:44:21.479 easier numbers because TV is so much more expensive. Is 1:44:21.479 --> 1:44:25.680 it like packaging? Somebody owns your TV shows. Let's just 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.599 for the sake of discussion, call it twenty episodes at 1:44:29.600 --> 1:44:34.439 ten million dollars a piece. That's two million dollars, and 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:39.200 they tell you we're gonna sell it. Okay, Okay. Now, 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:44.240 let's also assume that you're worth seven million dollars. Okay, 1:44:45.120 --> 1:44:49.200 so you could always step it and buy it, so 1:44:49.560 --> 1:44:52.920 you can't complain when everyone knows and you personally know, 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:55.080 and your father is on the board of the record 1:44:55.080 --> 1:44:57.880 company where they are discussing whether to sell it or not. 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:02.479 You could have bought it, okay, So when they sell 1:45:02.520 --> 1:45:05.800 it to anybody, how the fund can you complain? And 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:09.000 as far as it being Scooter braun see this is okay. 1:45:09.240 --> 1:45:13.200 By the way, I don't know. Okay, No, but you 1:45:13.600 --> 1:45:18.360 expressed earlier that you are aware of your audience and 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:22.439 how you come across. She is not. So she could 1:45:22.479 --> 1:45:26.360 do one of two things. She could own her identity, 1:45:26.479 --> 1:45:28.720 or she could go away for a while, go to 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.080 college and actually learn there. A number of actors and 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:34.120 actresses have actually done that. See see how that is. 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:37.360 But especially look at you know, Britney Spears. She's like, 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:40.599 you know, you know, a hollowed out person. So when 1:45:40.600 --> 1:45:43.040 you've been famous for a young age, you are not 1:45:43.200 --> 1:45:45.120 in touch with the world. So when you go back 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:47.840 to Twitter every day, I got people emailing me that 1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:50.400 I'm an asshole and tweeting that I'm an asshole all 1:45:50.400 --> 1:45:52.559 the Taylor Swift. If I even mentioned her name, the 1:45:52.600 --> 1:45:56.439 tweets come down. Okay, But forgetting Taylors. How come she 1:45:56.600 --> 1:46:00.120 of all people doesn't know not to fucking respond? She 1:46:00.240 --> 1:46:02.879 is so un educating this issue. She had her squad, 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:05.800 she tried to bring everybody in. Then people read it 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:08.880 as fake. It's like I know all this ship and 1:46:08.920 --> 1:46:13.559 I'm like a Zilient as famous as you. I don't 1:46:13.560 --> 1:46:16.040 know anything. No, no, no, it's got nothing to do. 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:19.320 You know that there are certain things you can say 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:22.320 on social media that people are gonna really blast you about. 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:25.280 I appreciated that she did ask people to register to 1:46:25.360 --> 1:46:28.040 vote that I totally agree and I'm very positive. No, 1:46:28.240 --> 1:46:31.960 My point is, you know certain triggers that you that 1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:35.160 you could post online. You choose whether to say them 1:46:35.240 --> 1:46:38.439 or not. And when you put one of those triggers 1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:41.160 and you get the negative blowback, you said, I chose 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:43.800 to do it. I expect it. Whatever you don't put 1:46:43.800 --> 1:46:50.479 it on, go how did this happen? That you're in 1:46:50.520 --> 1:46:53.519 the game, you have to play by the game of 1:46:53.520 --> 1:46:56.479 the game. The other thing that she doesn't understand, and 1:46:56.520 --> 1:46:58.559 I don't want to put this as a takedown of her, 1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:02.040 is she the parent I'm shifted and she didn't understand. 1:47:02.479 --> 1:47:06.080 Now we have metrics Spotify top fifty on your for 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:08.880 those people don't know, on your computer version, not on 1:47:08.920 --> 1:47:12.120 the handheld version. If you hover your mouse over those lines. 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.080 At the end, they will tell you how many streams 1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:16.639 that track has. They also give you like the first 1:47:16.680 --> 1:47:20.519 five or ten on the app. So the game has 1:47:20.600 --> 1:47:25.240 shifted to how many streams you have on Spotify, not sales. 1:47:25.960 --> 1:47:29.400 So she has this world domination. I think I'll be 1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:33.280 in every every TV show, every news magazine, and that 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:35.479 will make it. It It doesn't work that way anymore because 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.679 we can look at the streams. Are people actually listening? 1:47:39.280 --> 1:47:41.400 So now I'm sure you don't follow with that closely. 1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:43.560 But she's doing all kinds of things that used to 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:46.720 be beneath her. She did an NPR tiny desk concert, 1:47:47.080 --> 1:47:51.000 she did a singing something in Texas Stadium or maybe 1:47:51.040 --> 1:47:53.680 the Nashville Predators. None of this. I don't want to 1:47:53.680 --> 1:47:55.680 make this about Taylor Swift because believe me already, I'm 1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:58.200 gonna get it you. I'm a student of the game. 1:47:58.520 --> 1:48:01.559 You're a student of your game. Okay, the corporation owns it. 1:48:01.760 --> 1:48:04.679 If I'm doing my own thing, I'm totally controlled what works. 1:48:04.720 --> 1:48:07.040 What were I make a choice? So you're making all 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:10.320 these within that you set yourself free, but you don't 1:48:10.360 --> 1:48:13.840 say interested in politics today, I'm gonna go do an 1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:17.320 hour politics and say, how did the negative blowback happen? 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:20.760 What happened here? I might say, like Neil Young has 1:48:20.760 --> 1:48:22.880 done intentionally a number of times. He killed his career. 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:26.000 You have this album Harvest sold out arenas and didn't 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.080 play any of it, played all new rocky music, So 1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:31.840 he intentionally wanted to do that. I had a one 1:48:31.840 --> 1:48:34.280 time I went to Lauren Hill, who's my favorite favorite, 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:38.200 and she did and this is not blamed. Who did 1:48:38.200 --> 1:48:40.479 you say? Lauren Hill? And I She's be able to 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:42.439 do whatever the hell she wants. I want to be 1:48:42.479 --> 1:48:44.800 able to do whatever. Comedians are different is we have 1:48:44.880 --> 1:48:47.120 to play new we have to do new stuff. You 1:48:47.160 --> 1:48:49.080 haven't heard. You don't want to hear the hits. You 1:48:49.160 --> 1:48:52.479 come to hear new stuff. And I remember Lauren Hill 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:54.719 did some of the you want to go and sing along, 1:48:54.800 --> 1:48:57.759 but that artist has sung the song fifty million times 1:48:57.800 --> 1:48:59.559 and might not want to do, you know, And she 1:48:59.720 --> 1:49:02.640 did had a couple of her songs like in a 1:49:02.720 --> 1:49:05.880 different way, and we were all like, we can't sing along. 1:49:06.120 --> 1:49:08.120 It was just like, well, it's an interesting thing because 1:49:08.120 --> 1:49:11.679 it used to be you could promote that you're doing 1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:14.360 new material to scare off those people. But for the 1:49:14.400 --> 1:49:17.600 same reason, you can't reach everybody with any message today 1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:19.680 like Todd Rummand did that. He said I'm doing this 1:49:19.760 --> 1:49:23.040 material and people came and they were pissed. Anyway, people 1:49:23.080 --> 1:49:25.479 ask for their money back. If they don't, usually don't. 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.000 They really just go online and bitch or tell their friends. 1:49:28.040 --> 1:49:31.800 But what ultimately is the point is if you want 1:49:31.800 --> 1:49:34.840 to trade on your old material, you have to play it. 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:37.120 Did you talk to anybody in these whos we're talking 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:39.160 to Mick Jones, a foreigner the other day, you have 1:49:39.320 --> 1:49:42.160 to play five or six songs. Jimmy Buffett, he's got 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:44.840 a certain day, tells them like, you know, not the 1:49:44.920 --> 1:49:47.439 Core eight or something. They have to play and you 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:50.120 have put yourself in that, or you can start over 1:49:50.200 --> 1:49:53.519 in clubs trying to make it. Garth Brooks tried to 1:49:53.560 --> 1:49:56.320 do this. He even changed his name because Garth Books 1:49:57.160 --> 1:50:00.439 Garth Books is once again you're young or so. He 1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:02.800 put on an album called Chris Kains. He wanted to 1:50:02.800 --> 1:50:04.880 make it as a rock star because really his show 1:50:04.960 --> 1:50:09.320 was rock Okay, he was rejected. People want wanted uh 1:50:09.479 --> 1:50:11.640 Garth and he went back to being Garth. But it 1:50:11.760 --> 1:50:14.280 was clear what he was doing. Yeah, you know, I'm 1:50:14.360 --> 1:50:17.479 changing my identity. You're either in a hard to evolve. Yeah, 1:50:17.479 --> 1:50:20.000 I mean it is interesting like when I am touring, 1:50:20.000 --> 1:50:22.479 like I'm doing stuff that's not about relationships or dating, 1:50:22.640 --> 1:50:24.280 and and I sort of look out and I sail 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:26.400 these bachelor parties and girls nights and I'm like, gos 1:50:26.400 --> 1:50:30.200 shit exactly gonna work? Yeah, yeah, you work so hard 1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:32.760 to get a certain uh fan base, then you get them. 1:50:32.800 --> 1:50:36.639 You gotta you know. I went to this doubleheader tour. 1:50:36.680 --> 1:50:39.400 They played ballparks at this point, it's almost like fourteen 1:50:39.439 --> 1:50:41.880 years ago, and it was Brian Adams and Deaf Leopard 1:50:42.400 --> 1:50:45.840 and they would switch headliners each night. So we're in 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:50.720 Minneapolis and Brian has to play during the day. If 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:53.160 you're a rock act, that's death. Like the Rolling Stares, 1:50:53.160 --> 1:50:55.680 They're never gonna play during the day. Okay, he got 1:50:55.680 --> 1:50:57.760 on the audience wasn't reacting. I'm standing on the side 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:00.280 of the stage. He literally took the set list and 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:02.120 tore it in half and looked at everybody in the 1:51:02.120 --> 1:51:05.720 band and then proceeded to win the people over, like 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:08.200 do it as I say. And I said, that's a 1:51:08.240 --> 1:51:10.479 master at work. But it's the same thing. You know, 1:51:10.760 --> 1:51:12.760 you don't want to have a show. You want to 1:51:12.760 --> 1:51:16.080 have a show, said, I did everything I could. Oh well, yeah, 1:51:16.120 --> 1:51:17.880 I mean you've seen Bill Bird at that OPI and 1:51:17.880 --> 1:51:21.040 Anthony video where he they were booing him this open 1:51:21.080 --> 1:51:23.160 Anthony crowd and then he turns it into killing. It's 1:51:23.439 --> 1:51:30.120 it's literally the greatest most uh uh, I mean, like 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:34.439 comedy hero, Okay, say any other music questions. I just 1:51:34.560 --> 1:51:38.640 I mean I've I'm really fascinated by just all the 1:51:38.680 --> 1:51:41.800 ship and you know, well, thank you, but this is 1:51:41.840 --> 1:51:43.479 your It sounds like you came in with a list 1:51:43.560 --> 1:51:46.880 of questions. No, I'm just I'm fascinated by all this ship. 1:51:47.040 --> 1:51:50.240 It's just it's wild. Well, the point is committe, okay, 1:51:50.320 --> 1:51:54.120 I used to relate there are errors gay music as 1:51:54.120 --> 1:51:56.280 a results of the Beatles, etcetera. That's where you went 1:51:56.320 --> 1:52:00.360 from truth, and that's FM radio comedy. Is you go 1:52:00.479 --> 1:52:04.839 for truth? It started really forget the comedy boom on cable, 1:52:04.920 --> 1:52:08.519 with the improv online whatever. The Simpsons had a more 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:12.040 incisiul kind I'm try you know, they could they could 1:52:12.120 --> 1:52:14.120 look at it and pope fun in ways that no 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:17.360 one else would. So you felt like only cart exactly, 1:52:17.520 --> 1:52:21.519 only cartoon characters to do that. So comedians that's one 1:52:21.520 --> 1:52:24.240 of the reasons why comedy is so happy. They're speaking 1:52:24.240 --> 1:52:27.760 truth in a world of complete bullshit. It's funny because 1:52:27.760 --> 1:52:30.920 it's you know, everyone's like PCs culture is ruining comedy 1:52:30.920 --> 1:52:33.280 and he's making it better because now it's like you 1:52:33.360 --> 1:52:36.080 say something that's incendi or and it's like boom, it's 1:52:36.120 --> 1:52:38.559 like three times the reaction. How do you feel about 1:52:38.560 --> 1:52:42.320 people recording your shows? You use yonder but always yeah, always, 1:52:42.320 --> 1:52:44.280 not like at the comedy store and stuff. When I'm around, 1:52:44.280 --> 1:52:47.120 I also am not like saying stuff that's I'm not 1:52:47.720 --> 1:52:50.519 I don't do that really. Um, it's more just annoying 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:52.120 because if someone puts it up, you're like, if it 1:52:52.160 --> 1:52:53.200 gets a lot of you, I don't want to put 1:52:53.240 --> 1:52:54.800 it in in my special. It's just more like it's or 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:57.080 just like you don't want anyone to hear before it's ready. 1:52:57.200 --> 1:53:00.360 How about Michael Richards, should he be uh gone forever? 1:53:01.960 --> 1:53:06.559 I mean he never really did stay exact exactly. It's 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:10.800 more like let comics do it. It's you know, stand 1:53:10.840 --> 1:53:15.920 ups hard exactly, it's really hard and um, and also 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:19.080 you have to suck before you're good. That's right, and uh, 1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:21.280 you know it was that to me was someone who 1:53:21.400 --> 1:53:26.120 was not in control of That's a perfect answer, lack 1:53:26.120 --> 1:53:28.880 of training and being in that We're we've all been 1:53:28.880 --> 1:53:32.240 in situations like that before and it revealed sort of 1:53:32.479 --> 1:53:34.120 a lot about sort of his character the way that 1:53:34.120 --> 1:53:36.080 he handled it. Um. But I mean if he works 1:53:36.120 --> 1:53:38.160 as an actor, that's none of my business. Okay, But 1:53:38.360 --> 1:53:40.840 in terms of when ne' on stage and you're trying 1:53:40.840 --> 1:53:44.080 out new material, it is you know, That's what people 1:53:44.080 --> 1:53:45.960 don't realize that you have two things going on at once. 1:53:46.000 --> 1:53:49.080 You're thinking and you're talking, but it's old materially you 1:53:49.080 --> 1:53:51.439 know by heart, but new materially. Do you ever get 1:53:51.439 --> 1:53:53.320 caught up we're saying, Okay, this is going to be 1:53:53.360 --> 1:53:56.120 like a dangerous spot. Yeah, totally, but you sort of 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:59.160 cushion it sandwich of between stuff that you know does work, 1:53:59.240 --> 1:54:01.920 so that you've got lifeline and you know something's about 1:54:01.920 --> 1:54:05.200 to kill if that you know gets a little shaky. Um, 1:54:05.320 --> 1:54:07.360 so you sort of pepper the new stuff in stuff 1:54:07.360 --> 1:54:09.960 that you're I'm trying to say, is something saying something 1:54:10.000 --> 1:54:14.000 that maybe you shouldn't say? I don't. Um, Yeah, like 1:54:14.040 --> 1:54:17.760 I was just doing this big thing on uh, like 1:54:17.800 --> 1:54:23.200 the Catholic church stuff and how nobody cares about the kids, 1:54:23.240 --> 1:54:25.200 like all the meat too stuff. There was no markin, 1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:27.519 there's no marchins, there's no hashtags, like no one cares 1:54:27.520 --> 1:54:31.799 about the Yeah, there's no markin. There's no pr closet, 1:54:31.880 --> 1:54:35.680 tiny dick hat like there's nothing, and um it. It 1:54:35.880 --> 1:54:39.240 sometimes goes either either way and can get really awkward. 1:54:39.280 --> 1:54:41.160 But the bit is kind of about how awkward it 1:54:41.200 --> 1:54:43.640 gets when you bring that up, like why everyone's so 1:54:43.640 --> 1:54:46.640 embarrassed to address it or acknowledge of course that it's happening, 1:54:46.680 --> 1:54:49.040 the shame involved that it's like really one of the 1:54:49.080 --> 1:54:53.640 most off limits subjects, um, the Catholic church stuff. So 1:54:53.760 --> 1:54:57.680 that's that's either either kills or is like very awkward. 1:54:57.800 --> 1:55:01.000 I was at the comedy store some week because we 1:55:01.000 --> 1:55:03.480 were talking about doing something with the guy Richard. What's 1:55:03.560 --> 1:55:06.600 you know the guy? He loud his name but you 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:09.000 would know him, So what did he do? He was 1:55:09.240 --> 1:55:11.640 he was a comedian, but then he the guy wears 1:55:11.640 --> 1:55:16.720 Glassard Richard Fuck, but no, no, I know Richard Lewis. 1:55:16.720 --> 1:55:19.000 The only thing about Richard Lewis is you know Richard 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:22.920 Lewis funny. He's the same guy off the State. I 1:55:23.080 --> 1:55:27.640 think it's an act experience. I can't believe it. A 1:55:27.680 --> 1:55:31.760 comedian named Richard. It'll come back Richard. His last name 1:55:31.800 --> 1:55:34.240 are fuck it is, you know who it is. But 1:55:34.320 --> 1:55:37.400 that's not important. We're talking about doing something. So the 1:55:37.560 --> 1:55:41.080 comedy store on a weeknight. Okay, all of a sudden, 1:55:41.280 --> 1:55:44.680 like ten thirty at night, Richard Pryor comes on. Oh, 1:55:44.760 --> 1:55:52.200 this is a long time ago. Richard Pryor comes on. Okay, 1:55:52.360 --> 1:55:56.360 and this is not long after he burned himself up. Okay. 1:55:56.720 --> 1:55:59.720 He lights a match and he starts, he starts telling 1:55:59.800 --> 1:56:02.680 rich your prior jokes, all the jokes that people said. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:06.640 When you touch the taboo, that's where the greatest laughs are. 1:56:06.920 --> 1:56:09.560 And that's the greatest insect because it makes people challenge 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:12.840 their preconceptions. And it's also just comedy is surprised. It's 1:56:12.880 --> 1:56:14.720 the thing no one else will say that everyone's thinking, 1:56:14.760 --> 1:56:17.440 and the most surprising thing and the most artful way. 1:56:17.520 --> 1:56:19.800 So I think it's just more exciting than ever to 1:56:19.840 --> 1:56:21.640 do stand up right now. I also don't need to 1:56:21.680 --> 1:56:24.600 say tranny, I don't need to say act like. I 1:56:24.640 --> 1:56:27.720 don't think let's stay. The recent Chappelle's special, We're not 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:33.080 forget the political ship. Okay, you find it funny. Chappelle's 1:56:33.080 --> 1:56:36.480 a genius, and um, I don't have to agree with 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:38.920 something to think it's funny. Now, I'm just talking in 1:56:39.040 --> 1:56:41.560 terms of sheer laughs. Did you watch the last special? 1:56:42.320 --> 1:56:45.640 Did you find it as funny laughing as previous work 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:49.480 of his. Well, I think there's always you know, I 1:56:49.520 --> 1:56:53.360 think there's it's there's always it's weird. It's like things 1:56:53.400 --> 1:56:55.920 are funny at certain times for different reasons all the time. 1:56:55.960 --> 1:56:57.840 You know, there was definitely some cringe moments, but I 1:56:57.880 --> 1:57:01.400 think that's okay. Now the cringe moment, I think, I 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:08.520 think I can go like the comics. I understand. I'm 1:57:08.520 --> 1:57:10.720 not talking about cringe at all. I'm not talking about 1:57:10.760 --> 1:57:14.120 touching the third rail. Yeah, I am talking about Now 1:57:14.200 --> 1:57:18.280 that he's acclaimed as Chappelle, it gives him more room 1:57:18.400 --> 1:57:21.640 to stretch out, and he is. You know, it comes 1:57:21.680 --> 1:57:23.920 out with the outfit that says the Sea on it 1:57:23.960 --> 1:57:27.120 and all this other stuff. I find that the stories 1:57:27.320 --> 1:57:30.760 are dragged out a little bit more so. The last 1:57:30.840 --> 1:57:33.120 are not as frequent as they used to be. That's 1:57:33.160 --> 1:57:39.080 all I'm saying the subject matter different subject. I think, 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:41.800 you know, I think he's a genius, and you know, 1:57:41.920 --> 1:57:46.840 I I hope one day I'm able to change my 1:57:46.920 --> 1:57:49.680 style if I want to, you know, I think, I 1:57:49.720 --> 1:57:51.960 just think and maybe you know, as a comedian, I'm 1:57:52.000 --> 1:57:56.280 not just consumer of comedy. I love watching him evolve. 1:57:56.320 --> 1:57:59.560 And I know what it takes bravery wise to let 1:57:59.560 --> 1:58:03.520 a joke drag out, you know, I know how. I 1:58:03.560 --> 1:58:05.800 know how easy it is for him to write a joke, 1:58:05.920 --> 1:58:07.760 so I know if he wanted a joke to be there, 1:58:07.760 --> 1:58:10.640 it would be there. So for me, whatever he's doing, 1:58:10.720 --> 1:58:14.240 I know that it's intentional, and I know that he's 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:17.240 clearly built. Like I remember seeing him at Montreal. This 1:58:17.400 --> 1:58:20.360 is like ten years ago or something at some theater 1:58:20.560 --> 1:58:25.440 and he was I remember like between jokes, we were 1:58:25.480 --> 1:58:27.400 all on the edge of our seat. Like the tension 1:58:27.480 --> 1:58:31.320 that he builds with silence is such a big part 1:58:31.360 --> 1:58:33.840 of what he does. And then when the joke hits, 1:58:33.880 --> 1:58:37.280 it's even bigger because you're like releasing. You know, he 1:58:37.400 --> 1:58:40.360 really stresses you out with his use of silence, and 1:58:40.400 --> 1:58:43.440 I think a really exciting it's almost like performance art 1:58:43.960 --> 1:58:48.080 um and uh, it adds an intensity that a lot 1:58:48.160 --> 1:58:51.120 of you know, I'm I'm very like, I'm gonna make 1:58:51.160 --> 1:58:53.560 you laugh every twenty seconds because I don't lose you 1:58:53.600 --> 1:58:57.240 and I don't. I'm insecure, and I know my jokes permitted. 1:58:57.280 --> 1:58:59.400 I got, you know, And I think because we know 1:58:59.480 --> 1:59:01.960 he's such a joke writer. When there's not a joke there, 1:59:02.160 --> 1:59:04.880 we know there's I believe there's like well staying with 1:59:04.920 --> 1:59:09.560 you know, George Carlin famously changed his act. So Carlin 1:59:10.120 --> 1:59:13.320 prior to what degree are they seen as because Bill 1:59:13.360 --> 1:59:15.520 Cosby has been torn down for what you know, let's 1:59:15.560 --> 1:59:18.640 not even go there. But are they forgotten amongst the 1:59:18.640 --> 1:59:21.280 comedy world or giants? No, not in the slightest. I mean, 1:59:21.280 --> 1:59:23.840 there was just a Carlin clip going around the other 1:59:23.920 --> 1:59:28.320 day all over social media about like PC culture on 1:59:28.440 --> 1:59:31.880 Larry King. I believe, um, you know, his bits are 1:59:31.880 --> 1:59:34.720 still you know, very much I think relevant in the 1:59:34.760 --> 1:59:39.560 comedy community. But the comedy community they still respect him. Yes, yes, 1:59:39.760 --> 1:59:42.000 Like when said like and I think that the bar 1:59:42.120 --> 1:59:46.040 for a great special, Like I remember, um, comedy comedian 1:59:46.080 --> 1:59:48.080 I Revere called me and was like, yeah, that felt 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:50.440 like that jokes like a Carlin joke, Like that's sort 1:59:50.480 --> 1:59:53.560 of the gold standard. Exactly, it's the gold standard. And 1:59:55.400 --> 1:59:57.760 that's I think when you're writing. I mean, at least 1:59:57.760 --> 1:59:59.440 for me as a comedian, I'm like, oh, George Carlin 1:59:59.520 --> 2:00:01.880 right about now, like you we it's always in the 2:00:01.920 --> 2:00:06.040 back of my mind, so you know, putting my foot 2:00:06.040 --> 2:00:09.800 in my mouth one more of the time, uh, Billy Uh. 2:00:09.960 --> 2:00:13.800 Bill Maherr was on Howard recently, within the last three 2:00:13.840 --> 2:00:17.520 months whatever, So that's why Howard did Bill maher last week, 2:00:17.960 --> 2:00:20.680 and Howard asked, who do you think of the great 2:00:20.680 --> 2:00:23.760 comedians out there? Okay? And Bill maher said he thought 2:00:23.760 --> 2:00:26.680 he was the best. Let's not even go there. Okay, 2:00:26.840 --> 2:00:29.080 the question obviously takes a certain amount of huts, but 2:00:29.120 --> 2:00:31.680 to say you're the best. But he had gone on 2:00:32.080 --> 2:00:37.160 that's certain number of his king He was dead fucking serious. 2:00:37.520 --> 2:00:39.760 But he had said earlier in the interview that some 2:00:39.800 --> 2:00:43.680 of his jokes are written by other people. What's your 2:00:43.760 --> 2:00:48.880 viewpoint on that? Look, I I that's not the requirement 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:51.800 to write your own jokes, you know. For I used 2:00:51.800 --> 2:00:54.280 to write jokes for other comics. That's really how I started. 2:00:54.400 --> 2:00:56.560 So I paid my bills, so good for those comics 2:00:56.560 --> 2:01:01.360 that are getting that money. UM, I don't know. I 2:01:01.400 --> 2:01:04.160 don't have a judgment around it. That is what it is. 2:01:04.240 --> 2:01:06.960 It's not what I would personally do and do. Okay, 2:01:07.120 --> 2:01:09.560 So when you write, okay, do you sit down with 2:01:09.600 --> 2:01:11.040 a pad of paper or do you take a shower 2:01:11.160 --> 2:01:14.680 and something comes computer? Writing every premise, everything I can 2:01:14.720 --> 2:01:17.000 think of. They don't have to be jokes, yet go 2:01:17.080 --> 2:01:19.680 for a hike writing them in my phone. I have 2:01:19.880 --> 2:01:23.280 pages and pages and pages and not funny things that 2:01:23.400 --> 2:01:27.600 I called down, start building, start highlighting, start Okay. So 2:01:27.640 --> 2:01:29.480 there's never writer's block. You can sit in front of 2:01:29.480 --> 2:01:31.800 the computer. You always have something. I mean, there's definitely, 2:01:31.800 --> 2:01:36.960 like you know, sitting around calling people, running it by people, brainstorming. 2:01:37.600 --> 2:01:41.280 But I make myself write everything down that's not funny 2:01:41.360 --> 2:01:44.520 and then figure out why it's funny. Okay. We could 2:01:44.560 --> 2:01:47.080 go on for good, but I don't want to hold you. 2:01:47.600 --> 2:01:50.680 I have to go sleep. Exactly. You've been wonderful, You've 2:01:50.680 --> 2:01:53.560 been very open, Whitney, Thank you so much for doing 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:57.360 the pod. Thank you. I'm nervous by Kendall Astro, who 2:01:57.400 --> 2:01:59.280 was on this podcast, was like I did his podcast 2:01:59.320 --> 2:02:02.160 and then all these industry insiders hurt it and it's 2:02:02.200 --> 2:02:05.480 a very big podcast. That's not how she sounds. But no, 2:02:05.520 --> 2:02:11.000 but I met Kendall the reason she's I met Kendall 2:02:11.880 --> 2:02:13.960 Summit series, which is a whole another thing now, but 2:02:14.000 --> 2:02:15.680 this is like six years ago. They have a place 2:02:15.720 --> 2:02:18.600 in you Smartest Ship. And she was the first person 2:02:18.600 --> 2:02:21.560 who told me she was going to do a snapchat story. 2:02:22.000 --> 2:02:25.240 That's what really wrung. Mendell is one of my favorite 2:02:25.240 --> 2:02:27.560 people that I've ever worked with. And it's been brief 2:02:27.600 --> 2:02:30.600 and she goes, here's what's working, Here's what's not working. 2:02:31.880 --> 2:02:33.520 She does, you need to get the new iPhone. You 2:02:33.560 --> 2:02:36.640 cannot be posting on a freaking iPhone five like she noticed, 2:02:36.640 --> 2:02:39.880 because I have, because I noticed. She's like, you gotta 2:02:39.920 --> 2:02:42.520 hashtet like. She is so savvy and smart and clear 2:02:42.560 --> 2:02:45.360 and direct and not you know, I I really want 2:02:45.400 --> 2:02:46.800 to work with people who don't walk on egg shells 2:02:46.840 --> 2:02:50.200 around my feelings. She will give me feedback. Um, she 2:02:50.360 --> 2:02:54.080 is so solution results oriented. I just she's she's one 2:02:54.080 --> 2:02:56.200 of the good ones for those people don't know. She's 2:02:56.240 --> 2:02:58.560 a social media agent and more at U t A 2:02:58.840 --> 2:03:02.200 in any event, and she was on the podcast. Absolutely 2:03:02.400 --> 2:03:04.120 you can look her up in the back story. He's 2:03:04.120 --> 2:03:06.040 going to handle the social media for this one, i'd 2:03:06.040 --> 2:03:09.320 imagine to make sure you guys listening. Okay, Whitney, thanks 2:03:09.320 --> 2:03:12.160 so much, Thank you. Next time spot left set