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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today this comedian writer for Pocket Tour, Whitney Cummings. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you said just came from Quimby. What are you doing

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Speaker 1: for Quimby? Is this like we're gonna get into the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty, We're gonna get to all kinds of topics, Whitney,

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Speaker 1: I was just pitching something to Quimby. That's it's a

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Speaker 1: quick bite show to show. Um. Yeah, this is of course,

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Speaker 1: uh Katzenberg's new pitch. They made the deal today with

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Speaker 1: T Mobile to have millennials, who theoretically don't have long

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Speaker 1: attention spans, have little bites on mobile phones. That's right,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is already working in other places around

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Speaker 1: the world. Right in Asia they sort of have already.

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Speaker 1: You know, even though we live in the greatest country

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Speaker 1: in the world, a lot of these countries are far

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Speaker 1: in adv ants. You know. It's I say, in China

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Speaker 1: they do so much more on the phone. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you had a pitch, you say you're pitching one. Was

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Speaker 1: pitching something today, um with this wonderful writer who had

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Speaker 1: a great idea that was a sort of dystopian satire

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Speaker 1: of influencer culture and it's sort of successions set inside

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Speaker 1: a lifestyle blog office like a Goop type office. I

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Speaker 1: got it. There's a lot of information information sort of

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Speaker 1: like you know, commenting on all the sort of products

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Speaker 1: of ridiculous products that influencers are trying to sell us.

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Speaker 1: And um, so what did the person you pitched to

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Speaker 1: have to sen one of my Yes, that's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people on the planet. Um, he has an

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Speaker 1: excellent taste, So I think it might go well. I

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Speaker 1: have something else set up there as well with berlante Um,

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Speaker 1: so I'm doing a couple of things with them, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully this okay. So when you pitch them, since they're

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Speaker 1: short episodes, how many episodes would there be? Um, it depends,

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Speaker 1: but I think you start with like ten. I believe

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Speaker 1: they give you a budget and you can kind of

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Speaker 1: break it up based on what makes them sense, and

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Speaker 1: then I believe you own your content in two years afterwards.

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of Well, that's astounding, certainly in

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Speaker 1: the visual entertainment. But what does that mean? What that

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Speaker 1: means ultimately that you can do something within the future

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Speaker 1: and the music business, what it usually means is you

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Speaker 1: license it to somebody else in the future, hopefully it's

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Speaker 1: slightly better terms. But right, but so's I can take

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Speaker 1: it back and sell it somewhere else, sort syndicated myself

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Speaker 1: or put it on my Instagram or something. Well, theoretically,

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Speaker 1: let's just assume it's successful, which a lot of this

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Speaker 1: stuff is really not. Okay, then you can build you

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Speaker 1: tell me, no, you can build an asset. Traditionally in

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Speaker 1: this field, doesn't work that way because the talent does

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Speaker 1: not own the contents. Uh. But if you build an asset,

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Speaker 1: you can sell that for a good amount of money,

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Speaker 1: and you can sell it as part of a deal,

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Speaker 1: like I'll sell this and I'll also give you something else.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I mean, look, it's the wild

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Speaker 1: West out there. You know. I've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: things set up in streaming services. They either move lightning

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Speaker 1: fast and it doesn't feel real, or glacially slow. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's well, welcome to Hollywood. Finally figured this business out,

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Speaker 1: and then the entire thing changed overnight. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: no target anymore. I talked about this to my shrink

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Speaker 1: all the time. Okay, you had a certain goal, and

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Speaker 1: then they blew up the destination. You know, people used

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Speaker 1: to be a comedian, you wanted to get a sitcom.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why anybody would want to do that

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Speaker 1: anymore because so few people watch. None of them are

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Speaker 1: doing well on Netflix, some of the ranch that's my point, Gabrieliers. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: but when you when you go onto a streaming service,

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Speaker 1: inherently your goal is less. You're not think of it

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Speaker 1: as a world dominating thing. So therefore, when it's successful,

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Speaker 1: you can you know, it's like in the old days.

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Speaker 1: I remember Mark Maron, I think it was IFC got

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Speaker 1: his own sitcom so we could say this is before

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Speaker 1: he was in glow. He said, oh this is so great,

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Speaker 1: but nobody is watching right right, It's and it's also

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Speaker 1: this crazy thing just as a you know, creator, it

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Speaker 1: used to be you made a show for America for

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Speaker 1: six years, so we did you know, two book Girls,

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Speaker 1: and then you sell it internationally. If it works, now

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Speaker 1: you're kind of immediately selling it internationally. You know exact,

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Speaker 1: there's no back end. But also as a creator you're

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Speaker 1: thinking like, well, is this joke gonna work in Asia?

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Speaker 1: Is this joke gonna work in Sweden? Is this two

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Speaker 1: inside you know, you want something to go global instantly,

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Speaker 1: which I think is part of the reason why television

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Speaker 1: is moving towards these Marvel superhero stuff that translates universally

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Speaker 1: with something like two ber Girls, two and a half

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Speaker 1: this really worked here. Now we get to go to

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Speaker 1: take a chance on it. Now it's like, we're not

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Speaker 1: giving the number one show in America right away, We're

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Speaker 1: giving you one that America is still testing out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but as a creator, do you feel inhibited that you

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Speaker 1: must make something that can be consumed around the world.

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Speaker 1: I would say my number one concern, if I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be really honest, it seems that's what we're doing here

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Speaker 1: is making shows for streaming services and not having the

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Speaker 1: ability to make fun of how technology is ruining our lives. Service.

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Speaker 1: You have John Oliver who's on HBO, which is owned

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Speaker 1: by A T n T, and seemingly every show he

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Speaker 1: pokes the bear, you know, he basically goes against a

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Speaker 1: T and T so I think on some level, Netflix

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Speaker 1: certainly is sophisticate. I'm not saying Disney nor A T

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Speaker 1: sort of like in you know Apple, I you know,

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Speaker 1: Apple has no sense of humor about it. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm just curious, like, are we allowed to do

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Speaker 1: a scene where my phone doesn't get reception on? You know?

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Speaker 1: It used to be when we were on networks. We

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Speaker 1: weren't allowed to say Jesus Christ. We were allowed to

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Speaker 1: say God. We weren't allowed to say, you know, curse

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Speaker 1: or show nudity. Now are we allowed to not show

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Speaker 1: I would doubt it on Apple? If you said I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do the whole show on an Android, they would

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Speaker 1: be pissed. Are you allowed to say, like, well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know cell phones cause cancer? Are you allowed to

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Speaker 1: joke about something like that? Are you That's that's actually general?

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Speaker 1: The point is, can you say something specifically anti Apple? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Are you allowed to make jokes, you know, on on something?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we consume six hours of content our cellphone,

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Speaker 1: not quimber lewed to make a joke on Quimby about

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Speaker 1: how social media is the apocalypse and it's bad for

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Speaker 1: our brains and it's causing body Just what's your personal

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Speaker 1: viewpoint on that. I'm not a scientist on it. Um emotional,

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Speaker 1: yea technical. I don't want to pretend to be an

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Speaker 1: in hyperbole. I think it's gone. I tell my girlfriend

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Speaker 1: She always react, yes, that's we just have this. That's

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Speaker 1: not exactly what I said. Yeah, she said that's something

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Speaker 1: I did annoyed her, and then I said, oh, you

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Speaker 1: were piste off because that's not what I said. I said, Well,

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Speaker 1: to me, annoy is as heavy as pissed. No, no, no no, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think humans. I think we are designed to find

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Speaker 1: flaws and things. We are designed to complain about things. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're designed to um amplify the consequences of things. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but let's go back. When something doesn't work, are you

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Speaker 1: someone o c is and you're pissed? Uh, something doesn't

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Speaker 1: work in terms of well, you know, you get your phone.

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Speaker 1: We all have this technical glitch and something doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: You're the type, oh this is technology, Oh it'll be

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Speaker 1: fine tomorrow, or you say God, I'm so pissed. It

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Speaker 1: depends on the circumstances. I mean, if your iPhone doesn't

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Speaker 1: work and that's your biggest problem of your day, you

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Speaker 1: have a pretty good life. I'm not into that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not into that first world problem, not at all. You've

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Speaker 1: been bridged longer than I have. Rich It's a whole

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Speaker 1: another thing. But my point is people always say, oh,

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Speaker 1: two things that make me insane. One is you're better

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Speaker 1: than that. Fuck you am. I haven't said that yet. No, No,

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Speaker 1: shaming perfectly. And then you constantly here first world problem.

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Speaker 1: That's my problem exactly. I mean when I go up.

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Speaker 1: When I grew up, my parents literally said you gotta

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Speaker 1: finish what's on your plate because their kids starving. In Europe,

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Speaker 1: It's the only place I think they're doing well. Were

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Speaker 1: read and I have on my kindle. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of women in LA who are starving for different reasons. Yes,

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Speaker 1: my choice, but let's go back to technology. Are you

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Speaker 1: someone who believes, let's just start with usage as opposed

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Speaker 1: you anti social media, addiction to the phone, addiction to screen. No,

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Speaker 1: I think we're also in our echo chamber. I I

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that metropolitan cities we tend to

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Speaker 1: Duluth as a as a job as a Joe blow

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Speaker 1: a city exactly. I've actually been okay, but Duluth actually,

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Speaker 1: waves are so big. And Deluth is of course on

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Speaker 1: my mind because they burned down a synagogue there recently,

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Speaker 1: the seventies. Okay, so, and her father was the richest

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Speaker 1: guy in Tallahassee. Okay, so he drove roy is exactly exactly.

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Speaker 1: But the point is that was before two thousand Bush

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Speaker 1: versus Score and all the controversies. People have a better

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Speaker 1: idea of what Tallahassee is now, and it's more cosmao thing,

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Speaker 1: But essentially Tallahassee is Georgia. They think they think, you

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Speaker 1: know Miami. Yeah, no, people have Southern acts. It's greatly different. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not super apocalyptic. When it comes

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Speaker 1: the negative parts of it sometimes for comedic purposes. But

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Speaker 1: I'm the stuff that I'm working on now is really

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Speaker 1: more like, this is the safest we've ever been. This

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Speaker 1: is is thinking complaint about it. Well, I find it. Know,

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Speaker 1: there's the intelligencia of the New York Times, a New Yorker.

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Speaker 1: They are constantly printing anti technology articles all the time.

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Speaker 1: Screens are fucking everybody up, etcetera. I have a completely

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Speaker 1: any weapon. Really, it's like a knife. You can use

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Speaker 1: has a history of doing this, because then moving forward,

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Speaker 1: what else is going to come out of this? Pandora's

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Speaker 1: I agree, But it's more interesting when it's public perception.

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Speaker 1: When the people, uh yeah, I went, I toured around

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Speaker 1: the country after the Rosean thing, and people go, what

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Speaker 1: happened to Roseanne, Is she okay? I was like, you

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Speaker 1: didn't hear me? There was not only some people that

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Speaker 1: didn't hear about it, but then you know half the

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Speaker 1: people are like, A, she's crazy. Ever knew she was crazy?

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Speaker 1: That's just Roseanne? And what's the Just move on, you know.

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Speaker 1: But look, we cannot forget the It's ABC is Disney,

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Speaker 1: they sell mouse ears. I understand children. I understand that.

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Speaker 1: Will you amount of money you're getting, you can't post

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Speaker 1: it like that. It's not a lot to ask, but no.

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Speaker 1: But the more interesting thing to me is the discussion

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Speaker 1: in the media and in board rooms. To what degree

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Speaker 1: is that in touch with the people on the street. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know you've met some of the people on the street.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't always be in touch, but there's we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: stoop to the level that might uh appease something different.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that I believe in doing what you want,

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Speaker 1: and of course, if you have people you're working for,

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Speaker 1: that's another issue. But a lot of times what they're concerned,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of history where they say, we have complaints,

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Speaker 1: we took the show off the year ten people complaints

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Speaker 1: he's on a network show, or they had a campaign,

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Speaker 1: there's no perspective. But let me go back to and

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Speaker 1: I think that also. I mean, look, you've from what

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Speaker 1: I understand that had companies and employed people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you are running one of the most valuable brands

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Speaker 1: in the world, Disney, and you have someone tweets something

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Speaker 1: racist and you have Shonda Rhymes and Kenya Barriss is

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Speaker 1: two of your biggest money it's just it's it's forget

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Speaker 1: the mortal issue and the integrity issue and the class

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Speaker 1: having class I mean issue. Um, it's also just bad business. Okay,

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Speaker 1: But let's go back to social media. So you're heavy

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. How about on the other platform, Instagram. I

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Speaker 1: would say I'm the most engaged because Twitter is very

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Speaker 1: much sort of a verbal platform. It's very much you

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Speaker 1: have to get the hashtag and you know, there's it's

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Speaker 1: more time sensitive. You have to respond to something that's

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Speaker 1: happening right this second, and evergreen jokes don't always hit

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Speaker 1: as well as something topical. Um, so I'm in and

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Speaker 1: out on there. Not the best place to sell tickets

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Speaker 1: honestly anymore, in terms of ticket leaks. Just a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. How many how many followers do you have

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, I have, okay, and how often do you

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Speaker 1: post on either of these platforms? I would say Instagram

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Speaker 1: is twice a day, usually a video day and a

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Speaker 1: photo day, except on weekends because I can look at

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Speaker 1: the metrics and see that my followers mostly look at

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Speaker 1: Instagram during work during the week days, which is why

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Speaker 1: you always want to subtitle your videos and look at

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Speaker 1: your metrics, and then Instagram stories I do. I would

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Speaker 1: say like five or six of those a day. So

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Speaker 1: what works? They all work for different demographics, and they

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Speaker 1: all work for different reasons and different things. So Facebook

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Speaker 1: is more for an older demographic and for the targeted

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Speaker 1: ads that are selling tickets. Instagram works more for instant

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Speaker 1: engagement and like selling things like merch or tickets and

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Speaker 1: targeted Facebook ads are great for localized and I actually

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Speaker 1: just um, you're gonna love this. Have you heard of this?

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Speaker 1: Um this new app where people can text you directly? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Tell my audience, yes, So there's this new app. You've

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Speaker 1: probably seen it on my Instagram. If you guys follow me, um, uh,

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Speaker 1: your you've got They're probably like, who uh that they

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Speaker 1: can You can now directly text celebrities, people touring and

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Speaker 1: we can actually see your text and text you back.

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Speaker 1: This is a company called Community. It does not sell

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Speaker 1: your data, which is wild and um and we can

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Speaker 1: basically collated by age and uh state. So when I

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Speaker 1: come to your town, I can text your phone directly

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Speaker 1: and say hey, I met the Majestic Theater tonight at

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock instead of relying on a main feed post,

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Speaker 1: which is probably not going to make the algorithm anyway.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't know that if you

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Speaker 1: don't get a certain amount of likes in a certain

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Speaker 1: amount of time, your post is not going to make

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Speaker 1: the algorithm. So you can be posting about going to Duluth,

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Speaker 1: for example, all day long, and people in Duluth might

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Speaker 1: not even see it. So this is the current issue

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Speaker 1: with people that are touring is you go to Houston,

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Speaker 1: you do five thousand seats, You go to the airport

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Speaker 1: the next day and someone goes, oh my god, when

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Speaker 1: are you com mees? I love you, I'm such a

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Speaker 1: big fan, what are you doing in town? And you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're such a big fan, how did you not

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Speaker 1: know that I was all these people, especially in the

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Speaker 1: big city where there's multiple events, And oh, finally, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but it was. But

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Speaker 1: I posted on Facebook, I post on Twitter, I posted

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Speaker 1: on my main feet, I posted to my stories, but

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Speaker 1: nobody saw it. And this And because comedians for longest time,

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Speaker 1: we're relying on email databases. People change their email, they

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Speaker 1: usually don't change their number. So this is the way

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Speaker 1: to get to you right away. I can text you

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Speaker 1: instead of blasting all my followers for Orlando, I can

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00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: just text Orlando people directly. Um, which is this is

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Speaker 1: a godsend and I think it is going to be

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Speaker 1: major leagus. Let's go back a few chapters. What was

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Speaker 1: your experience at PEN? Oh? Great question. I it was

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Speaker 1: very expensive. Um, so how did you pay for us? So?

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Speaker 1: I paid for it by doing a QVC in Westchester.

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Speaker 1: I did QVC where I modeled self Tanner UH and

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Speaker 1: UH track suits, and I did informal modeling at King

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Speaker 1: of Prussia Mall. I would walk around in wedding dresses

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Speaker 1: and I had to pay off my loans which took

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Speaker 1: cares and I did it in three years, so it

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Speaker 1: was cheaper. Okay, When you went to PEN, how expensive

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Speaker 1: was it? I mean, wasn't it forty something Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you went. They didn't give you any financial lead. No,

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Speaker 1: they gave me some. They gave me um My mom's

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Speaker 1: boyfriend helped, and then I had some loans. Okay, how'd

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Speaker 1: you get the gig? QVC? I was worked when I

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00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: was in d C in high school in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: I would do informal modeling at Bloomingdale's Tyson's Corner and

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Speaker 1: White Flint and some magazine stuff. And then I got

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Speaker 1: a local agent in Philadelphia called Reinhart Modeling Agency, and

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00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I would work at King of Prussia Mall, walking around

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Speaker 1: and they got me an audition, and I'm very telegenic.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed absolutely here, But was

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00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: this a dream of yours? Or is this just some

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00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: way to make money? Money? Was a dream of mine having? Okay,

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00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: so you go to Penn. Did you always want to

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Speaker 1: go to pen? I didn't. I wanted to go to

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Speaker 1: Stanford actually, and I don't even know why. I always

548
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: had this draw to California to tech. I wanted to

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00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: go to Stanford. I didn't get into Stanford early decision,

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Speaker 1: didn't get in, but then got into Pen and and

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Speaker 1: uh Annaberg. I wanted to major in communications. I still

552
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: don't even know what it is. Uh does anyone? But

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Speaker 1: I think communications at Annaberg a Penn accidentally was the

554
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: perfect education for a comedian because all they did was

555
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: tear apart and analyzed media. I took this UH class

556
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: with Joe Turou where all they did was talk about

557
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: how advertising influences our brains. It was basically the way

558
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: comedians evaluate the world. How is it? You know? Nature

559
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: and nurture? And do does do video games cause violence?

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Speaker 1: Like all the kind of things that you would explore

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Speaker 1: as a comedian and so um, well, you know, I

562
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: went to college and I found the most I learned

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Speaker 1: was outside the classroom. So you were a Penn Did

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Speaker 1: you fit in? No? Not at all. I worked in

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Speaker 1: New York, uh two days a week modeling bridesmaids and

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Speaker 1: wedding gowns. So I was only at Penn three days

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Speaker 1: a week, and I would do classes nine hours a day,

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Speaker 1: three days a week, and then I'd be working in

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Speaker 1: New York. Okay, So the first year you lived in

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Speaker 1: the dorm, uh No, I lived off campus all three years.

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Speaker 1: All three years I lived off campus on eighteenth and

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Speaker 1: JFK and Philly. So did you have any friends at

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Speaker 1: pen I had a couple of friends. I have two

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Speaker 1: very good friends. One you might know she wrote a

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Speaker 1: book called Meet Me in the Bathroom that is about

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Speaker 1: the music scene in New York in two thousand four.

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Speaker 1: What's your name, Lizzie Goodman? I know that I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Goodman. She wrote this brilliant book called Meet Me

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Speaker 1: in the Bathroom. We would go to New York and

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00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: like party with like the Vines and the Strokes and

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00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: all the those and all the cool bands. And she

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Speaker 1: ended up writing a book about it that I think

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Speaker 1: is getting a TV show. Um, so she's out here now.

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Speaker 1: And then another girlfriend. Mind. So I had like two

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00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: or three friends at penn Um, but not much. I

586
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Speaker 1: was working and I was you know anyone that knows me? Now,

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00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: let's go back at chapter You're from d C. Okay,

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Speaker 1: how many kids in the family? Three? And where are

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Speaker 1: you in the higher wark that I know of? I

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Speaker 1: haven't done my twenty three and me I am the youngest.

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Speaker 1: Would you wait, let's start? Would you do you know?

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Speaker 1: I absolutely would. I just did the National Geographic version

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Speaker 1: of it. I did the twenty three of me one

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Speaker 1: and I didn't spit in it right and think there

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Speaker 1: was a special I failed that test. I am so look,

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Speaker 1: I am the first person to you know, you sort

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Speaker 1: of dive in all this stuff. I am so not

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Speaker 1: terrified of by I just think we have you know,

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00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: we've gotten so paranoid about all this stuff. Okay, But

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Speaker 1: as I say, if you do it and correctly, how

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Speaker 1: do you feel, other than finding out about certain health issues,

602
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: how do you feel about people all over the world

603
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Speaker 1: being interacting with you and saying I'm related to you.

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00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: I will do absolutely anything if I can sublimate it

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Speaker 1: into a joke or TV show idea or movie idea.

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Speaker 1: I love taking risks like this. I would love to

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Speaker 1: have that was your reason to do it? Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So what else have you done like that? I when

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Speaker 1: when I first moved to l A, I first got

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Speaker 1: a check. I was doing a It was like almost

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Speaker 1: the first sponsored content deals that was happening. I did

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Speaker 1: a talk show for Lexus in one of the new

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Speaker 1: Lexus cars. It was like the first gig that really

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Speaker 1: made me. VICE was doing it and I got twenty

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Speaker 1: dollars in episode. I did five episodes. I finally had money.

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Speaker 1: I got Alexis hybrid and was that on top on

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Speaker 1: top of they gave me like a lease or something,

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Speaker 1: but then I had to pay it after something, and

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Speaker 1: then I didn't know about taxes, by the way, so

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Speaker 1: I spent it all. I didn't know my owned money,

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Speaker 1: so I lost money on that. UM and I went

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Speaker 1: to the gas station and I filled up the hybrid

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Speaker 1: with diesel fuel by accident, because I thought the green

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Speaker 1: meant like green, like healthy guys, it's like good for

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Speaker 1: the environment. Was twenty six years old, right, and it

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Speaker 1: totally destroyed the car, and I wrote this awesome bit

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Speaker 1: about it, and from then on out, I was like,

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Speaker 1: the biggest disasters of my life are what are going

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Speaker 1: to pay my bills? In terms of being a stand up,

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Speaker 1: I have this. I'm crazy lucky that I could have

631
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Speaker 1: this job. That the worst things that happened to me

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Speaker 1: end up being great jokes. Okay, another worst thing that

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Speaker 1: ever happened to Um? Oh gosh, well, I mean every

634
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Speaker 1: breakup ever, the worst dates of my life are my

635
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: best jokes. The most humiliating moments of my life. Okay,

636
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: but now you're engaged, right, I know, So how did

637
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: you me went? I go to everybody's Wikipedia. I mean,

638
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I know you from Howard starting on I know other

639
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: things about you're in the news, but I did Actually

640
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Uh told me. Oh my goodness,

641
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: No way, I was something with Nicky Glazer. Maybe not. No,

642
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I was listening to that. Bobbaue did not tell me,

643
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: although I saw him the other week. Nicky Glazer was

644
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: on Joe Rogan. Uh, and she talked about you being engaged.

645
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: That's how I know. Yeah, it's like three hour episodes.

646
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Say yeah, no, I I, um, that's so funny. Yeah. No, Look,

647
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I every day I'm like, can I just go on

648
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: a couple of dates. I won't kiss them or make

649
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: I just need some more material. You know is a comic.

650
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: I'm just I am obsessed with Let's try. Let's fine

651
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: for Kate. You know, looking for Mr Wright and you

652
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: know is a little bit different from looking for material. Okay,

653
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: So prior to meeting Mr Wright, how often did you date? Um?

654
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I am as as anyone that knows me who's listening.

655
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I do stand up every night, three or four spots tonight.

656
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Are there Comedy Store. They have three rooms. Best club

657
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: in the country. Laugh Factory, Improv than all these other

658
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: little anelka. So I'm working all the time at night.

659
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: So I've never been a person that puts relationships first. Um.

660
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: And I say that with love because it's just I

661
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: can only make relationships work when I'm able to put

662
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: that first. Okay, So let's just say subsequent to pen

663
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: did you have any serious relationships to until now? Um?

664
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: I thought they were serious. You think they're serious when

665
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: you're in them. And did you live with somebody? Yeah,

666
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I've lived with the I lived someone for a couple

667
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: of years before that. And how did you meet in

668
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: that person? What they do? We They were a writer,

669
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: big TV writer. I dated a big director. I mean

670
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: I've dated you know, people in this field. Um, and

671
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: was lucky to actually learn from them too. I was

672
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: very like, don't date anyone in Hollywood, and You're like, no,

673
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: why these are the people in work. It's like, don't

674
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: date anybody at the company. Of course, that's where else

675
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: you gonna be. Yeah, where else you're gonna meet people.

676
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: And like, I want to be able to talk through

677
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I dated a in anesthesiologists like three

678
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: years ago, and I remembered I had a development deal

679
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: or a show at HBO and I had the table

680
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: read the next day and I was like working on

681
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: at memorizing and He's like, what's the big deal, It's

682
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: just a table read and let's not just like oh,

683
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: like I I now see the value of your question.

684
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: How did you meet an anesthesiologist? He I dated him

685
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: when I was in college, when I was nineteen. It

686
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: was he lives in Portland. Is wonderful I had dated

687
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: I once I've realized people knew I had money, or

688
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: that I had I was gold digged a couple of times,

689
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: or I had really yeah, did these people even have jobs?

690
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: Or they were like between gigs or what. It was

691
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: just this thing where I was like they I get

692
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: people that like guys that want to be comedians and

693
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: they think dating me like will help them, or just

694
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: a couple of guys where I realized like, oh, no,

695
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: you want to be a writer, or you don't have money.

696
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: And someone asked me to pay their student loans, Like

697
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: it was just did you pay this? I have? Yeah,

698
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: USC does have some of my money? How does someone

699
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: pitch I didn't have to pay Rick Singer? It was

700
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: how does someone pay my student loan? It's more of

701
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: a like it was more of a if I'm gonna

702
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: be honest, maybe I'm the monster in the story here.

703
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: It was more like I'm working this. He was working

704
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: some crazy job that like kept until two in the morning,

705
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I have to go to

706
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: bed at midnight, so you can't do this and this

707
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: was and I was like, I'll just pay for it.

708
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: Let's make it go away because I have to sleep. Okay,

709
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: but let's go back because it's a little great. So

710
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: you had a couple of live in relationships. How long

711
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: did they last? One was two years? I guess it

712
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: was just one live in one and and l A

713
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: and that person to the you want to talk about

714
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: what was his gig? Uh? He is a writer, a

715
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: movie writer. Okay, why did it end? I was young

716
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: and stupid. It's twenty seven. Uh, and I got I

717
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: had a TV show and was doing two TV shows

718
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: and it was just you know, Okay, was it you

719
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: were doing TV shows and you did not have time

720
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: for him, or you wanted the perks of having to

721
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: TV shows you wanted to trade up? So oh no, no,

722
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it was that. I think I just uh,

723
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, was still I was just not. Uh. I

724
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: also had not started my recovery journey, um, which anyone

725
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: that knows me knows, I'm gonna tell step program. And

726
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: I worked a pretty hard allan On program now and

727
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: I wrote a whole book about codependence and love, addiction

728
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I also was, you know,

729
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: in my in my addiction. Okay, so you were a drinker? Nope,

730
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: alan On? So an all On? Yeah, so everybody you

731
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: were involved at so we've had some sort of addiction problem. Um,

732
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: No he wasn't. So what motivated you to go to

733
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: alan On? Um? I have a lot of alcoholism and

734
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: mental illness in my family. Um. The first time I

735
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: got TV show, I realized that I had some blind

736
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: spots in terms of leadership and the inability to tolerate

737
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: the discomfort of others. It was impossible to fire people,

738
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: it was impossible to give notes. I wanted people to

739
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: like me. Um, I was doing everybody else's jobs for them. Um.

740
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I was addicted to control. So how do you deal

741
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: with the concept with the insight about wanting to everybody

742
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: to like you? You deal with it when you realize

743
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: I'm three scripts behind because I've spent more time trying

744
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: to make sure this employee likes me instead of I

745
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: understand you'll understand that, But how do you deal with

746
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: the confrontation now? Now I'm very clear or in direct

747
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: about it, after you know, eight years in a program.

748
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: But it used to be like no, no, I love it.

749
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: I love it, and then I change it, and then

750
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: you go, well, no, they wanted to change it. You

751
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: blame someone else. And what do you say now now

752
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: if I even hire someone that is a mismatch, which

753
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: I used to do all the time because I used

754
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: to sort of hire for all the wrong reasons. It

755
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: used to sort of be like we have great chemistry,

756
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: or we get along really well, or um, like we

757
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: say in in program, is like they're a Christmas tree.

758
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: They light you up, they're activating some kind of And

759
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: when do you realize you made a bad choice? Um,

760
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: when you feel any kind of adrenaline around the person,

761
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: or when your behavior starts to change around the person,

762
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: or when you start being inauthentic around them, like how

763
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: was your weekind it was? When you start being faked,

764
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: it's usually when I know that I've recreated my childhood circumstance.

765
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever have that kind of experience with someone

766
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: over great and have it work out they're good at

767
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: their job. Yes, yes, yes, I m M, yes, I

768
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: think you can do that now. I didn't. There's a

769
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: couple of staffs I have I've worked with recently that

770
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I didn't put together myself. But I am confident now

771
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: that yes, I can have chemistry with someone but also

772
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: go like I have the ability to tell you know

773
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm not walking on eggshells around a

774
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: personality disorder, narcissism or an ego or whatever thing that

775
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: I'm magnetically attracted to because I grew up around Okay,

776
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: but let's let's go back to the dating thing and

777
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: then we'll get back to allen on after that. It

778
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: is way more personal than I thought I was gonna be.

779
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't prevared. I thought this is gonna be like

780
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: a business. This is your life and this is our life.

781
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: But in any event, so you have that individual as

782
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: an attractive woman in a visual business, I would think

783
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: that you get hit on an asked out on dates

784
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. I really don't. I Uh, it's

785
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: so funny, like all of the like is in this

786
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: business that are notorious for dating a lot of people

787
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: I would like go out with and then would be like,

788
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: so what do you do? Like where do you invest?

789
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Like I become a sexual very quickly because I'm not

790
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: very good at all that and uh, I'm not just

791
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: good at understanding if someone's flirting with me or if

792
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: someone's interested to me. And I was always going off

793
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: and doing stand up at six thirty at night. It

794
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: was okay, but if you're on the date with that person,

795
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: so you're what is your go to thing to do

796
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: on an uncomfortable date? Oh, an uncomfortable date? Um? Many

797
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: do you do? You pick up the conversation? Do you

798
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: feel that's your responsibility? Uh? Yeah, I'm kind of remember

799
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: that first or maybe it's the third episode of The

800
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: English Office when he went on that bad date and

801
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: he's actually I didn't see it, but keep going, Oh

802
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: my goodness, certain things you know? Yeah, I mean and

803
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: uh he said, uh something like asked me anything, I

804
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: can talk about anything? How's that before stomach? It's just

805
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: this great thing. I can pretty much talk to anyone

806
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: and even if it but I'm talking about when you

807
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable, do you fill the whole? Uh? That's in

808
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: search joke here, Um, when I feel uncomfortable, yes, if

809
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: you give me ten, I'll give you ninety. Are used to.

810
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: Now that I'm recovery, I'm now able to just go like, okay,

811
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: I feel like this isn't going great? Should we call it? Like?

812
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: I can do that now? Right? Okay? But once again, okay,

813
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: so you went to recovery? How long you go to

814
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: alan on? About eight years? Okay? What was the final

815
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: thing that's says? A miracle? It's a miracle, I I

816
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: it's a brilliant way to reparent. And I also I

817
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: wasn't able to say no, that's the other thing I'm

818
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: doing every no. But I'm asking what was the trigger

819
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: that finally made you go? Um? I have a lot

820
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: of family in uh struggling with alcoholism and addiction, and

821
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: I was martyring myself and you know, paying for rehabs

822
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know it was making my life on me. Okay,

823
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: so let's go back. You're the youngest child, yes, sir,

824
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: to me, your two other siblings much older older sister

825
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: and older brother who lives in London. But how much

826
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: older are I'm sorry? A year and a half and

827
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: then I am a mistake it's known uh sort of

828
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: like a joke in the family, UM, which I think

829
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: is part of the achiever complex. The I was never

830
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: asked to be here and I need to earn my

831
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: keep type thing. And I always sort of had that psyche.

832
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: And then my brother uh lives in London. He's a

833
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: half brother who's older. I think he's forty five. Okay,

834
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: so you grew up under what kind of circumstances were

835
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: all of you under the same roof with two parents

836
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: or what happened? Yes? Yeah for the most part. No,

837
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: my parents split when I was younger, um, and it

838
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: was you know, two parents who were worked a lot more,

839
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: very busy. I had to work very hard to get attention. UM.

840
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: I developed a sort of entertainer complex. I developed the

841
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: ability to shape shift or in a good mood, if

842
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: you're in a bad mood, do you need funny, do

843
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: you need you know? Responsible? Do you need to cook?

844
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: You know? I kind of um became a parent uh

845
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: at a very young age in a way and very

846
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: um uh self contained. UM. I was alone a lot

847
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: as a kid, and how to entertain myself and I

848
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: checked out using fantasy. I spent a lot of time

849
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: in my room, writing stories and interviewing myself and putting

850
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: on plays for myself and you know, um, writing scripts.

851
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: I wrote a spec for Animaniacs when I was eleven.

852
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: They never got it. I wrote it in a notebook. Um,

853
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that's what I was doing. I

854
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: was like, I'm writing an episode of this show. It

855
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: was my favorite show. Um. I would make music videos

856
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: like I was. You know, I had to keep myself entertained.

857
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: But I definitely okay, but you were shape shifting. Were

858
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: you getting a good reaction or no matter what you did,

859
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: it didn't work. I think the thing that got the

860
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: most attention was achievements and my dad valued Uh this

861
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: is your step is my actual dad value? Contact did

862
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: you have with your actual a lot um? And what

863
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: did he get remarried? Yes, many times his his I

864
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: got his attention when I achieved. Um. He comes from Virginia,

865
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: West Virginia, lower class. For him, achievement was everything. Getting

866
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: into a good college, um was everything. So for me

867
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: to have the best grades half straight a's, that was it.

868
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: And I've had developed a sort of perfectionism. Okay, So

869
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: what was your experience in school? Were you the genius

870
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: that girls didn't want to talk to or what. No.

871
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I was the person who wasn't always naturally smart. So

872
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: my tactic was outwork everyone. Okay, work harder than okay,

873
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: but you achieve good results. But how did you fit

874
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: in amongst the or thirty kids in class? Not well?

875
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I was not particularly I was not particularly popular. I

876
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: think I hate when people say that always that's right now.

877
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I was in a very clicky Catholic school UM called

878
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: UH outside of d C, I was in a couple

879
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: but UM. Then when I graduated from and I actually

880
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: lived in Roanoke, Virginia for a couple of years with

881
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: my aunts, and then I transferred back sophomore year of

882
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: high school. So I was the weirdo that was like

883
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: had the wrong uniform and I was like walking in

884
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: when all the girls were friends. And but I was

885
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: good at basketball and I was really good at volleyball,

886
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: so I was kind of like a sports girl person.

887
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: But I was very much on my own. I had

888
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: one friend named Lee Stitzer, who was like a goth girl,

889
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: and we would like hang out, and you know, I

890
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: also had all sorts of you know, eating disorders, so

891
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: I was very like isolated and weird that way. I

892
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: was modeling at the time, so I was gone for

893
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: a couple of days at a time. I did not

894
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: really How did you feel internally? Um? Numb. I didn't

895
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: really feel much until my MIDSI feel you didn't yearn

896
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: to be a member of the group. I think that I,

897
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: um know, I never thought that I could really fit in.

898
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: I didn't really. I just tried to succeed. Okay, so

899
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: you succeeded. You got into pen where basically you worked,

900
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: and you did it in three years. So now that

901
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: you're adult life, are you someone who now fits in

902
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: or is that still an issue? Huh? I think that

903
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because I think we're in one

904
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: of the only towns where having approval from strangers and

905
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: fitting in or kind of synonymous. It's hard to tell

906
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: sometimes because you can show at a party and everyone's like, wait, wait, wait,

907
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: but but we might not hang out me. You know,

908
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know a million people. If I

909
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: fit in, I don't know why. I don't know if

910
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: it's because of may effervescent or you're you. Something happened

911
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: to you, either positive or negative that you want to

912
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: share other than your boyfriend fiance. How many other people

913
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: can you call when I what something it's specially good

914
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: or especially bad happens, not family member friends, It depends.

915
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't share good news normally I have Uh, I

916
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: would say for people that I for, I would say

917
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: like family people And Okay, so, so at this late date,

918
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: do you feel very singular or embedded? Singular or embedded

919
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: embedded in with entrench do you mean exactly? I'm it's

920
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: tricky because I am such a lone, weirdo wolf type person.

921
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be on tour for you know, six months,

922
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: and I won't be able to see anyone for six months,

923
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: and then I hop I pop back in. I'm like, hey, guys,

924
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: what's up there? Like you missed three weddings? Like what

925
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: is you know? It's most of my really close friends

926
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: are comedians who we know that we can sort of

927
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: not see each other for three months but have lost

928
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: no time or credit or there's no like scorekeeping in

929
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: our friendships. So most of my my tightest friendships are

930
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: with people that have the same lifestyle. Okay, let's go

931
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: back to the relationship thing. Did you have relationships in

932
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: high school? You are like Howard, You're It is like

933
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: being because it's like zig zag. It's like there's there's

934
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: no way to get with you. I have a I

935
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: told you I didn't get these sleep last night. I

936
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: told you I had migrated, and you were like, perfect, Okay,

937
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I'll roll with that. It's good. You're very You're just

938
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: your brain and works so fast. Okay, So relationships. Did

939
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: you have relationships in high school? No friendships? No? No,

940
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about boy girl No no, I mean yes,

941
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: but nothing real. So when did you lose your virginity? Oh? Wow?

942
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: Does he always ask this to people? Does he ask

943
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: this question to you? Don't have to answer anything. This

944
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: is a wild show. I think I was fifteen. I

945
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: would say, okay, so you had enough relationship to it's

946
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: not a young we're That's not what I'm finding. I'm

947
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: trying to I come from Kavanaugh Country. Well that was

948
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: that your Marylands tak advantage of you know? How dare

949
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: you accuse him? Um? No, I didn't. I didn't. I don't.

950
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't go to parties like that. I

951
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: was like a sports dork and I lived with my mom.

952
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: Did you like sports and stop about today? I was

953
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: very good at basketball, like when and played in Europe,

954
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: Like really, hey you yeah it was? It was My

955
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: whole life was playing basketball. And then I, you know,

956
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: I was also modeling to make money and I started,

957
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, sort of leaning into the eating disorders associated

958
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: with botteling, and I stopped being able to play basketball. Okay,

959
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: so do you take a sports today. I have a

960
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: sport court at my home and occasionally for Instagram, I

961
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: will play basketball just to prove to people that I can,

962
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: because no one believes that I can. I did an

963
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: episode of a TV show that I did for NBC

964
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: where my character was really good at basketball, and everyone's like,

965
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: is that c G? I was that put In and

966
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: put you know. So I'll do it sometimes just around

967
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: my house anything else. You are? You a person who

968
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: works out? I used to work out a lot, but

969
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: this past year I was touring so brutally that I

970
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: was getting sick a lot. Um. You know, this whole

971
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: stand up touring road dog thing is really it's cute

972
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: when you're twenty five, when thirty six, it's not a joke.

973
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: So I started getting sick a lot, and I stopped

974
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: working out as much. Um. For a couple of reasons.

975
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: This exciting thing happened where like women with different sort

976
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: of shapes and sizes can be on television. This happened

977
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: like a year ago. I stopped feeling this pressure, you know,

978
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: to be in like incredible shape all the time, and

979
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: I found like this kind of a waste of my energy.

980
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: This three hours like door to door to a trainer thing.

981
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: It's right, it's crazy. Okay, So once again, how did

982
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: you meet your fiance? Wow? An app called Riya Uh.

983
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: It is like Tinder for people in the business. Have

984
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: you not heard of ria? How are you? Okay? I

985
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: heard of it? I had Okay, so you have a

986
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: girlfriend though? Yes, since I had a free uh subscription

987
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: to a o L in the late nineties, I lived online.

988
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: Why does he say phrase is a joke of free subscription?

989
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: What it was in ten dollars? No, that was when

990
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: everybody paid by the minute. You're not you know, you're right?

991
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because one time I borrowed my friend

992
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: Dave Lairs. Um, he probably listened to your podcast, uh,

993
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: and it was like four thousand dollars. Oh my god.

994
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: Once year, at the year two thousand, it was all

995
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: you can eat. That's different. So the bottom line is

996
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: I checked out all those things. Love it a O

997
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: l if I could, if I could find my account.

998
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: I was so early on match dot com at I

999
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: have a lifetime account. Whereas you should treat yourself to

1000
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: takeing andandera riah. It's an it's not invitation only, but

1001
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: you have to be approved by a board. And it's

1002
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: lots of celebrities like John Cusack is on it. I'm

1003
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: calling him out, Uh, lots of like it's like all

1004
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: the men in Hollywood. I feel like I've been trying

1005
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: to avoid for the past fifteen years, all in one place. No,

1006
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: but I find a fact I got into so early.

1007
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: It was when the in the nineties and the earlier

1008
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: part of the century. That was when people still had

1009
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: a fantasy that they could meet the right person. It's

1010
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: not knowing that in almost all these cases the problems

1011
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: with themselves, okay, whereas now it's totally different. It's a

1012
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's a known way, and people go, I

1013
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's great. I you know, I

1014
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: get I think there's a certain point in your career

1015
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm so pro meeting online. It's crazy.

1016
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: So did you try other apps before that? I was

1017
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: on Tinder as a joke to write jokes about it,

1018
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: and I got on like Grinder to like see what

1019
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: it was forgetting grinder, which is gay if we start

1020
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: on tin. Did you actually go on any dates with

1021
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: those people? No? I went on one tender date, like

1022
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 1: I was going through just writing jokes about it because

1023
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: it had just come out. I had this whole chunk

1024
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: in my third stand up special about it, and so

1025
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: I was on it. I didn't like see a cute

1026
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: guy on there that I was like, I feel like

1027
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 1: I know him somehow. And we started flirting and he's

1028
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: like can we meet? And I was like sure, Like

1029
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: why not? You know, like I'm at the comedy store,

1030
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: come by, like there'll be people around. He can't murder me.

1031
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: And he showed up and he was like, oh my god.

1032
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would really be you. And I

1033
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: was like what, Like he thought it was understanding. He

1034
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: thought it was a joke or something, and I realized, like, crap,

1035
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: I probably can't do this. So how did you decide

1036
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: to go on royal Um? A friend of mine was

1037
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: on it and she uh, and I was like looking

1038
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: at it and I was like, Okay, why not well,

1039
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: how desirous were you of meeting Mr Wright? Um? Pretty,

1040
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty programmed into my you know, wish list. Um.

1041
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I think that relationships. I'm gonna

1042
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound sociopathic or like mercenary or something.

1043
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: But UM, I think that healthy, stable, romantic relationships are

1044
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: a great business decision. Um. The chaos of dating and

1045
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: uncertainty and you know, um, it's not appealing to me. Um.

1046
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: I look at a lot of people whose careers I

1047
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: really admire, and they have very stable, borderline boring home

1048
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: lives so that they can have energy available for their

1049
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: creative endeavors. And I have enough um risk and uh,

1050
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: chaos and pain and vicissitudes in my professional life. I

1051
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: don't want him in my personal life. Well, it's very

1052
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: interesting because David Brooks he wrote a whole book or

1053
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: article saying, who you marry is the most important decision

1054
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: that he divorced his wife Brooks. If that's a real

1055
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: Hollywood answer, No, David Brooks from The New York Times

1056
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: A long time I that's wild. Yeah, No, there's is

1057
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: it a flowbear quote? Be boring in your personal life

1058
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: so you can be violent in your creative life. Something

1059
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: I just find that. You know, and I know a

1060
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: couple of people in arrange marriages. They're good, man. I

1061
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: can't just throw that out there. I'm I would believe

1062
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: in that now, like where okay, by whom South Asians

1063
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: have to say that? Not conventional white white people in America? Okay,

1064
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: but now am a somewhat of a believer in arrange marriages.

1065
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: Not literally, I think you should marry someone who has

1066
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: the same frame of reference. Okay, I can't believe you

1067
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: just said that. I almost wrote a joke about that

1068
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: because I dated a guy who is older than me,

1069
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: and he always want to listen to Robert Plant and

1070
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of the songs, Like, is that

1071
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: what you mean? Like this one element? But that's we

1072
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: didn't know the same That's like the classic guy mary,

1073
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting involved with someone much younger. What then

1074
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: do you talk about that is? I mean, it just

1075
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: was more like in the in the car, I want

1076
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: to turn up Robin and saying to the top of

1077
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: my lungs, and then he wants to and it's just

1078
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: like it's just a road trips. Okay, but I'm really

1079
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: talking about something different. Okay, I came from a family.

1080
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: My parents are good plenty. My father died long time ago.

1081
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: My mother's ninety two. And Connecticut. I did google you, Oh,

1082
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: I did google middle Bar That's why I went to

1083
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: college in Vermont. But I grew up in a you know,

1084
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: melting pop culture, went to public high school, but it

1085
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: was fifty miles from New York, so it was all

1086
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: New York media. Can I ask you a gossipy question

1087
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: out do you know Jim Burrows? I know who that is?

1088
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, because apparently he owns more of

1089
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: Vermont than the state of Vermont. Well, when I went

1090
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: to Vermont, it was still right, it was before it

1091
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: turned left because everybody moved there back to the land movement,

1092
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and people were there and stayed there, like my college

1093
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: roommates stayed. There's a wonderful club in Burlington. Right when

1094
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: I went to Burlington, they had one, you know, that

1095
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: was thirty five miles north of Middlebury. So I would

1096
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: go there to buy records because you could buy them discount.

1097
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: But this was before Ben and Jerry's was before it

1098
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: was hip. Burlington was not a hip. My brother went

1099
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: to university Everymont, right, I mean I went to college

1100
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: in the dark ages, in that there was no internet

1101
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: and there was only one snowy TV station, and I

1102
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: missed those I missed if I missed four TV stations,

1103
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: now that I just had to pitch to fourteen streamers.

1104
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing was you were going to college.

1105
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: When I went there, there's eighteen hundred people. Now it's

1106
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: like dred and it's like it stunted you in so

1107
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: many ways. Saw the same people all the time. They

1108
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: were like your brother and sister relationships, you were rare,

1109
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 1: You lived on campus, you never read to expectancy was long,

1110
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: sounds awful, And if I had to do it all

1111
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: over again, I wouldn't go there. But no, I am

1112
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: from Connecticut, interrupted you. So uh. But going back to

1113
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: the oh, when I said, from the same thing, some

1114
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: of these criteria same income, same level of education, parents,

1115
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: staying together, these are critical things. It's like the woman

1116
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: I was married to, sure mother had been married multiple times,

1117
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: and the father left one woman while we were there.

1118
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: So the fact that she left me, that was part

1119
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: of the d n A. So also like I did.

1120
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: Daniel Glass, who's a guy. At the time, he ran

1121
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: a company called SPK Records. That was Wilson Phillips a

1122
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: million other people, and I did, okay, well, this was

1123
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: their very first appearance at that convention the end of

1124
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: eighty nine in uh the desert. But in any event,

1125
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: um the he said he needed three things to work

1126
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: at SPK records. You had to really want to work

1127
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: at SPK records. You had to work retail because that's

1128
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: where the transaction took place. And you had to have

1129
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: graduated from college. Now I have a law degree on

1130
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: I got to play education. But I nailed, you know,

1131
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: Daniel Leader, and I said, listen, we live in a

1132
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: we work in a business. David Geffen Irving as off

1133
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: they didn't finish college. He goes, No, it's not about

1134
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: what you learn in college. It shows you can complete something.

1135
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: And these are really important criteria. So it shows that

1136
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: you have money to finish college. It shows that your

1137
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: parents are rich. Well need let's just say college is

1138
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: much more expensive even you know, with adjusted dollars. I

1139
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: mean it's becoming eugenics program exactly. Well. Also, who you

1140
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: meet in college, well, I guess this is my network. Yeah, exactly.

1141
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: I didn't go to one of those colleges or it

1142
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: was before that era. Um. But the point being that

1143
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: certain similarities I think are better when you then encounter

1144
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: the world. When you talk about that original team thing

1145
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and the way we originally do it is we go

1146
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: to a bar, we go to a party, we meet somebody.

1147
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: It's based on looks, conversation, all these other things, mega

1148
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: lack of other people you've met, you know. I think

1149
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: now that there's there's this sort of you know, you know,

1150
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the the age of people losing the virginity

1151
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: is going up. I noticed that, it's wild, but you didn't.

1152
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Also you notice that day I understand. But the other

1153
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: thing about it is the more educated you are, the

1154
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: less chance that you will get divorced, and the more

1155
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: chance you will even get married, especially in today, in

1156
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: today's world, we can have children without being married. Yeah.

1157
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you you are a master of the

1158
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: law and of the five I mean marriages of wild

1159
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: you know thing, and you know it behooves you in

1160
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: some ways economically if you stay together. Okay, the person

1161
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: you're engaged, who have they been married before? Okay? How

1162
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: old is this guy? My age seven? Okay? And what

1163
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: does he do for a living? Okay? So how many frogs.

1164
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Did you have to kiss before you make um? Uh

1165
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: plenty plenty five twenty. I'm talking about once you join

1166
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: the ap? What is what I would saying, what does

1167
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: kissing frog mean? These days? I went on on Rya actually,

1168
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: believe it or not, so many people were sending me

1169
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: resumes and asking me for jobs that it like I

1170
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: ended up meeting a couple of people that end up

1171
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: being like platonic friends. There was one guy on there

1172
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: that like invented some web browser and I was like, hey, like,

1173
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, do you want to just get a drink

1174
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: and can I ask you some financial advice? And I

1175
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: asked him like who we invested with and stuff. So

1176
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: I ended up just sort of like meeting some really

1177
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: interesting people on there. But I don't know off Rya,

1178
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: maybe one he was maybe the second guy. Yeah, you're

1179
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: texting with a lot, but you're not meeting up with

1180
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: a lot. I was in post production on a movie

1181
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: at the time, and I was so bored in the

1182
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: editing room that I was like, right, was like a

1183
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: video game. I was just texting with everybody and not

1184
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: actually going out with anyone. Okay, so how did you

1185
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: connect with your fiance? He was in New York. Um,

1186
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: and I was. I very much felt like, Okay, the

1187
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: person that I'm going to a date next is not

1188
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: in l A like I know everyone. So no from

1189
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: he was he's from Kentucky and them was in New York, Tucky.

1190
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: He's from advert from Kentucky. So Kentucky like backwoods like backwoods? Yes,

1191
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: backwoods Kentucky. What did his parents do for a living? Um? Uh?

1192
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: One was made documentaries, okay, and advertising. It's okay. So

1193
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: he's in New York and then in New York and

1194
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: we I'm good in small doses in the beginning. I

1195
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: also have an addictive personality, and if you're in the

1196
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: same city, we might just too much, too fast and

1197
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: blow it up. Well, how many times have you hurting

1198
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: your life? You're too much for people? Many I can

1199
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: tell that? Really, come on, Okay, So I haven't heard

1200
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: it from I've only heard it from guys in relationships

1201
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: who are losing an argument. I haven't heard it from like,

1202
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you. Are you capable of

1203
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: losing an argument in a relationship? Um, But that's a

1204
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: loaded question. My dad was a lawyer, and it's very

1205
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: hard for me too. I I don't like to lose.

1206
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: I have my answer, But I do know that capitulating

1207
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: and apologizing is often actually winning, So I don't I

1208
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: don't know if I learn that in the Yes, I

1209
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: get you know, winning sometimes the best way to win

1210
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: a war as a masterful retreat. Um, And I can

1211
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: own it when I don't think that losing an argument

1212
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: means admitting you were wrong. You know a lot of

1213
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: times it's me admitting like, hey, I shouldn't have handled it,

1214
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have done that, I'm sorry my back. Okay,

1215
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: So let's go back to your fiance. So you're on

1216
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: the west coast, he's on the East coast, and so

1217
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: how do you ultimately connect over Riah? Then we started texting,

1218
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: and Um, I was back and forth. I was writing

1219
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: a book at the time, and I was back and

1220
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: forth from New York. I like rented a place in

1221
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: New York and I had this sort of like romantic

1222
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: vision of writing a book in New York and that's

1223
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: where I was going to get my creative inspiration. So

1224
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: I was there and saw like every two weeks for

1225
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: like a year, and who was into who first? Um

1226
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: it seemed mutual. UM, I think it was mutual. Okay,

1227
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe on dating apps works that way people in real life. No,

1228
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was mutual. Um, I've definitely

1229
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm very clear when I'm interested in something, and I

1230
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: don't like to waste time or play games. So I'm

1231
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: sure ostensibly I came off a little more like are

1232
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: we doing this and we're not doing this because I

1233
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: don't have time to be in this in between? And Okay,

1234
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: so then you have a relationship, how do you decide

1235
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: you want to continue with theoretically for all time? Um,

1236
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty uh. For me, it's like if if within

1237
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: a year, if there's you know, it's not going well,

1238
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good about being like, I'm gonna call it. Um.

1239
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: I love what I do. There's a lot of things

1240
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: I want to do, so I don't really sit around

1241
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: and like wait for something to fizzle or work out.

1242
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: I kind of tend to So how come he hasn't

1243
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: been married till he was thirty seven or you don't know?

1244
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: I think that that's a is that late? Well, they say,

1245
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: they say, don't marry a guy over forty who's never

1246
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: been married because he's set in his ways. Okay, but

1247
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: these are you know in the year you know, nged marriage.

1248
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: But as I say, so, thirty seven is within the limit. Okay,

1249
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: but but it is still high. So it makes me wonder.

1250
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, he's not in a negative way, but his identity.

1251
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting because I also if I'm with someone

1252
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: who's already been engaged or married, I'm like, well, they

1253
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: proposed everyone, but specially I know someone like that, Yeah,

1254
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: who thinks the way he proposed to like three women

1255
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: before he married the first wife. Whatever. I know a

1256
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: guy who is a very successful movie person who's been

1257
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: engaged many times. In his theory is it's just a ring.

1258
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: It'll make things copasetic. Guy, I don't, don't. I'm just

1259
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: saying that person ever been married is now. Yeah. But right,

1260
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: my guests, I'm not a big like you know, I'm

1261
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: just want to be able to do what I do

1262
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: in an effective way, and um, marriage just you know,

1263
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: it's it's good. I also need walls around me, Okay,

1264
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to understand primarily why you're attracted. And

1265
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing now is either there's a reluctant or

1266
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: our lack of knowledge in terms of where he's coming from. No.

1267
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: I think he's just in an awesome and incredibly kind

1268
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: and down to be with someone who's unconventional and gone

1269
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: most of the time. So where you going to ultimately live?

1270
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: I just bought a house in Wooden Hills, California. How

1271
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: do you like to feel about living in the valley?

1272
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm obsessed with it. I wanted four

1273
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: acres and to not see one house and my home

1274
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: anywhere else would be forty million dollars, So I'm upset.

1275
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: It's basically too Panga. I wanted to live into Panga Canyon.

1276
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: So it's south of the boulevards. Is that what it is?

1277
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? I'm up in the hills, like to

1278
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: Panga Hills, basically what it's called Woodland Hills. I love

1279
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: it over there. Um, I like a good deal, and

1280
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: I just think a lot of stuff around he's just

1281
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 1: a bad deal, and I don't like noise. Okay. Is

1282
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: there a gated community, yes, sir? Okay, So he's moved

1283
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: out here, and is he working? Yes, yes, sir, he

1284
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: works for Vice. And so it would sound like financially

1285
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: you're more successful than he is. Um, you could say that, yes,

1286
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: and so so you can you're gonna get a pre nap. Yes,

1287
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: but he comes from his family. You know he wants it.

1288
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: There's no question about it, no awkwardness whatsoever. But is

1289
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: there awkwardness that you earn more money than he does. No, weirdly,

1290
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: because he pays for all his own stuff and really

1291
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: goes out of his way to be like, I'm covering

1292
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: this and he's just very um traditional is not the word,

1293
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: but gets ahead of that. There's never been a weird

1294
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: conversation about that. And then I think a really good

1295
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: life hack for this is when we go on trips.

1296
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: Because I get paid to post on social media, We'll

1297
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: do like a free room for me to post on

1298
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: social It doesn't feel like I'm like paying for trips

1299
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: and I feel cooky. And you plan to have children,

1300
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: I think so. I froze my eggs when I was

1301
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: thirty three, which is a really good decision on my part,

1302
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: if I may say so myself. I did it just

1303
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: out of just fear alone. And then I'll probably end

1304
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: up freezing embryos in the next couple of years. But

1305
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it right now. So what

1306
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: would be the right age to have a kid. I

1307
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: want to do in like two years maybe, Okay, that's

1308
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: not far Okay, thirty seven, So I'm pushing I mean,

1309
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm definitely pushing it. That's why I ask. And whether

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01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: that was a motivation to get married, I don't. There's

1311
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: just a gold rush in touring right now, and I

1312
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: want to tour again and I uh in the next year,

1313
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: and I don't want to do it pregnant. So how

1314
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: many dates a year are you doing now? I'm probably

1315
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: going to do a tour in March. Uh maybe? And

1316
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: what kind of buildings do you play? I'll just do theaters, okay.

1317
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: And as I say, you know, most musicians would say

1318
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: they do it for the one or two hours on stage.

1319
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: You with the same viewpoint? Uh oh, I see. You

1320
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: mean you get paid to travel, not to perform. Yeah.

1321
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh no. I I live for stand up. Um. It's

1322
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: one of the only things that brings me real joy

1323
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: and I love doing it for people that are in um,

1324
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: other cities, other places. What do you think of weird

1325
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 1: stand up is today? In general? Couldn't be a more

1326
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: um exciting, uh, the truth place to be and not

1327
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: to mention, lucrative and bigger than ever, right, you know?

1328
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely, like, you know, comedians, you'll hear

1329
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: us complaining in the green room about who's this YouTube

1330
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: star who's playing that theater? And wow, why is that

1331
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: podcast guy selling out this you know venue there. There's

1332
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: always gonna be that sort of stuff. But I think

1333
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: that just because of podcasting and social media, Um, people

1334
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: are it used to be like there's five slots on

1335
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: Comedy Central, there's you know, if you don't get to

1336
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: tonight show, you don't get to sell tickets. Now it's like,

1337
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: you know, different points of views are propping up and

1338
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: people are getting famous that deserve it. So what's the

1339
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: ultimate target, the ultimate goal for you? Um, I'm actually

1340
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: starting a podcast in a couple of weeks and I'm

1341
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: very excited about it. Um, that podcast look like I

1342
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,719
Speaker 1: was very trepidacious about it for a long time. Um,

1343
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna just sort of be whatever fascinates me. It's

1344
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna be scientists, it's gonna be artists, it's gonna be therapists,

1345
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be comedians, it's gonna be beauty X like

1346
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: anything that I'm sort of curious about because I spend

1347
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: all this time with these like incredibly smart people, and

1348
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: I realized I'm not Why aren't I? Why don't other

1349
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: people get to listen to this? Um? So that's part

1350
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: of your life, you know, As I say, you seek

1351
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: out these people were experts in their area. Yeah, I

1352
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: just I like to surround myself with people that are

1353
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: just generally better than me. Um uh. Maybe it's just

1354
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: me being insecure or something. But I made a movie

1355
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: about neurology, and I end up spending all this time

1356
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: with these incredible neurologists. Um. And they were just telling

1357
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: me all this mind blowing stuff, and I was like,

1358
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: why are we recording? This? Is crazy? And have my

1359
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: friends are unbelievably be brilliant comedians and when we're hanging

1360
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: out in the hallway and we're like, why are we

1361
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: recording all this? You know? So it's really very simple,

1362
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: just the people I find fascinating and funny. Okay, but

1363
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: like in a bigger goal, Okay, what's your ultimate destination? UM?

1364
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: To be able to continue doing stand up and to

1365
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: um never have to take a job that I don't

1366
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: want to take for money. But it's not like world domination.

1367
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: You want everybody in America to know your name or

1368
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: something like that. Do people talk like that. Musicians absolutely do,

1369
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: really absolutely, they say like, I want to be a

1370
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: household name, well what I had. It really started with

1371
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: the police because the guys in the police, well the

1372
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,919
Speaker 1: manager and the drummer, their father was in the CIA,

1373
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: so they had lived in all these different locations. So

1374
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: the manager said, ultimately, why don't we tour all these

1375
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: places which no one else did. We'll go to India,

1376
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: will go to Africa, We'll go to all these places.

1377
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: And literally, you know, that's the early eighties, late seventies,

1378
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,759
Speaker 1: early eighties, but by time they're on MTV, that became

1379
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: the goal, and of course the paradigm is completely shifted.

1380
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: You would make a record and the goal that you

1381
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: would be on tour. First it was two and a

1382
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: half years, then it turned to three or four years

1383
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: because you would go to every market and pick up

1384
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: the money. Certainly as results of MTV. Up until like

1385
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: the year, MTV was in every territory, so you were

1386
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: either on MTV or you weren't, and if you were

1387
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: on MTV, everybody around the world knew you. Okay, paradigm

1388
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: is completely shifted, and people can't rest with that because

1389
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: I realized this. Like seven or eight years ago. The

1390
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 1: Empire State of Mind was a big hit and a

1391
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: friend of mine was doing the tour and he goes,

1392
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: I said, you know that means nothing in l A.

1393
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: Forget that the song is about New York. Okay. So

1394
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: we have all of these acts except for the TikTok

1395
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: interaction with Little nas X. We have all these acts

1396
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: that are paraded in the channels that theoretically give you

1397
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: reach that are not that big. You look at tell

1398
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: us we wrote a song about me. It's a dangerous subject.

1399
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: But this record is a complete stiff. But if you

1400
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: went back to nine, which was a big hit, everyone

1401
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: knew the song We're never ever getting back together. You

1402
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: ask somebody sing another song, they can't. There's a small

1403
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: segment who are fans. So if you go back to

1404
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, it's like perfect, I say, David Brooks,

1405
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: you think of the movie Guy. Okay, it's like the

1406
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: New York Times. So when people, I mean, I find

1407
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: this myself, I used to think, well, if it was

1408
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: written in the New York Times, it was written in

1409
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: these places. People are aware of it. They are not,

1410
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: So the destination becomes different. So we're all on our

1411
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: own vertical. But the result of what's happened about the

1412
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: seven eight a year, the last seven or eight years,

1413
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: there's internet cacophony such that it is harder than ever

1414
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: to grow your audience because the audience is inundated with messages,

1415
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: and what ultimately makes them connect is when they hear

1416
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: it from a trusted source as a purveyor. You're not

1417
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: really sure who those trusted sources are. It's that little

1418
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: well as I say, but you don't know which person.

1419
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: You can't say, oh, this particular person is the person

1420
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: I need. And so it's funny. I mean, it's like,

1421
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: you know, being on latent I TV. I never watched

1422
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: Late Night. I just did two weeks of I'm sorry,

1423
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: two months of press and still unsure what moved the

1424
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: needle on my stand up special. I did three talk shows,

1425
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: fifteen podcast, Today's Show. It was just like you have

1426
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: to do all of it and just hope something sticks.

1427
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: It used to be you do Howard Stern, you do Letterman,

1428
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: you do Kim All your Ellen, and you're done. Well.

1429
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm at this point in time. I think I went

1430
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: through this with Howard in his book, He's speaking to

1431
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: his audience so dramatically, it's his act, my act whatever

1432
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 1: is very unique. If you're not into it, you hate it,

1433
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: that's right. And there's also there It used to be

1434
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: like I kind of know these famous people. Now it's

1435
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: you either have never heard of someone or you know

1436
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: what they had for breakfast exactly. So now when I

1437
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: do shows, it used to be like, yeah, my wife

1438
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: likes you, and now I'm on stage of people like

1439
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: how's your knee? It's people that know me so intimately

1440
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: and will buy anything. You know, it's a it's a

1441
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: more passionate audio, but it's you know, less of how

1442
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: do you can as the as the purveyor how do

1443
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: you feel about that? I mean quality versus quantity of fans?

1444
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's always the question is if you know,

1445
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: fifty million people know you, but they won't pay sixty

1446
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: dollars to see you, you know, what is that? How

1447
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: is that useful? You know, if if people just yes,

1448
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: But that's a math equation that there's the emotional angle,

1449
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: which is totally different. Yeah for me. I mean, you know,

1450
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 1: there's obviously like a bigger moral calling and um, you know,

1451
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: well moral is a whole another thing. Yeah, exactly, So

1452
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sort of like getting into that. I think

1453
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: for me, like the goal is to reach the maximum

1454
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: number of people. Well, are you say, hey, I'd like

1455
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: to sell out Madison Square Garden. Yeah, okay, but it's harder.

1456
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: That's a kind of funny thing with Sebastian Maniscalco, whom

1457
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't find funny. Dare I vehemently disagree. The only

1458
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: thing he did that I thought was funny when he

1459
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: was talking about how you can't drop by anymore. I

1460
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: love that. That was the Entimates game, right right. But

1461
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 1: the point is people say, well, he's sold three Madison

1462
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: Square Gardens. This is when he was announced for the

1463
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: MPTV Video Music Works, which he bombed and hurt his career.

1464
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: Used to be you couldn't even hurt your career. The

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: exposure be enough. But it's like Maroon five doing the

1466
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl actually worked against him. Okay, they say, hey,

1467
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: you know he did three medicines because of the Kaepernick thing.

1468
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Maroon five was on and they were

1469
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: basically bad, and they were involved in all these things.

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: It used to be you got the exposure, okay, and

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 1: you put the tickets on sale. The next day. But

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: everybody knows who you are. But I also think, you know,

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: I mean this passion thing. It's like, you know, he's

1474
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: got a very specific demographic, like you said, like his

1475
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: demographic will go see him four nights in a row

1476
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: that I know that most other people don't. They don't

1477
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: understand that. It's like fish Fish will play one or

1478
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: two weeks in Madison's were Guard at the end of

1479
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: the year. We now know that. But if you read

1480
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: the New York Times or you read that, the people

1481
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: who think they know what's going on, they have no idea.

1482
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: This is what's so fascinating to make. Yeah, well there's

1483
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: the I mean the Emmy's how many people watch them? Yeah,

1484
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: there's the blogger critical look as someone that comes from

1485
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: the multicam world, which is multi caamras when people actually

1486
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: watch but critics hate him, and we spend all our

1487
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: time trying to get approval from thirty critics instead of

1488
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: fifty million people. There is a point where you have

1489
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,600
Speaker 1: to decide do I want the cool kids to like me,

1490
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 1: or do I want to be Walmart? Do I want

1491
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: to be the boutique store. Were the Emmy rating shitty

1492
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: because of the programming and other channels post. You know,

1493
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 1: I think that this total overcorrection of we're so afraid

1494
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: that someone's gonna be problematic because we're listening to this

1495
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 1: two percent of the on Twitter, and we're so afraid

1496
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: of offending somebody with our host choice because everyone's problematic

1497
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: now ended up. I think it's my knee jerk. We

1498
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: actually was a little bit different. When you're a little

1499
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: too young for this and Kurt Cobain off off himself. Okay, uh,

1500
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 1: the guy in sixty minutes, the crusty guy, his name

1501
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: will come to me in a second. He wrote, what

1502
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: a waste of life whatever. Eddie Rosenblatt was president of

1503
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 1: the record company, and I spoke with him the next

1504
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: day and he said something which really is always stuck

1505
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: with me. He says, movies, when done right, are larger

1506
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: than life. Music, when done right, is life itself. So

1507
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: this speaks to your point about the knee, etcetera. When

1508
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: you when people go to see you, they're not going

1509
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: for a night of entertainment of good jokes. They want

1510
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: to see you because you are the act. Because if

1511
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: they watch on Netflix learning to get Better seats quite frankly, okay,

1512
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: then but knowing I'm in the room and I can

1513
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: yell something out and I'll respond to them. And also

1514
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: we got to be smart. Now. You know we're doing

1515
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: meet and greets after the shows. You're getting a picture

1516
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: with my robot. You know, I'm signing a book like

1517
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: it's the But the other thing is you are the

1518
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: act all of your new roses, predilections, etcetera. Actors. It's

1519
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: not the who gives a funk? They're an actor. So

1520
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: why should I watch the Emmy's to see someone? It's

1521
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: really somebody else's shows, right, That's one of the reasons.

1522
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, look like I you know, um,

1523
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: the people that know me know I'm as you know,

1524
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: pretty Um. I'm trying to think of a word that's

1525
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 1: not going to be charged. Maybe progressive, it's just a

1526
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: good word. If we're going to use the Emmys to

1527
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: to lecture people about what they should be doing with

1528
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: their votes, are there, whatever, it's it's just really it's

1529
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: not an entertainment show. It's a celebrities or lecturing everybody.

1530
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: I understand your point, but I think it's a very

1531
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: small audience that's reacting heavily to that. Is that most

1532
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: people are deciding whether or not to watch the Emmys.

1533
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: They just want to see the dresses you're wearing. They

1534
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 1: want to see a funny show. They want to see

1535
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: Seth McFarland dance tap dance. They want to see Tina

1536
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: fey and and Amy Poehler be funny. Okay, So, speaking

1537
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: of all those games in the varying verticals, movies, television, books,

1538
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: who do you think is knocking it out of the park?

1539
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: Who are your favorites? Who are your favorites? Sebastian manis

1540
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: of course. Um Ali Wong is killing it? Um Uh.

1541
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: John Mulaney, I think it is really smart about the

1542
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: choices that he saw him in that play with the

1543
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: other guy. But I'm I haven't been turned on solely

1544
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: by his specials yet. I know I'm the only thing.

1545
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's um. I can disagree with you and

1546
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 1: we can consist, but the only thing is everyone is

1547
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: against me on this um and Uh. I love Jim Jeffries. Um.

1548
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: I think he's really good at knowing how to do

1549
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: what he does and leaning his strengths. Bill Burr, I

1550
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: love the way he just does what he wants to do,

1551
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm not going to do five D

1552
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,719
Speaker 1: talk shows to promote him. To let the work speak

1553
01:19:55,720 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: for itself. Um, his touring business is unbelievable. Um Uh.

1554
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: Other people in TV, you create TV shows? What TV

1555
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: shows do you watch? I watched Succession obviously because I'm

1556
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: not a monster. Um. I watched a lot of things

1557
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: that I know I have to watch, Like there's a

1558
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of like homework viewing of this is whatever. Forget

1559
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: that when when you actually do watch of your own choice,

1560
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: and so many of my friends do. I end up

1561
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: watching because I have to, and then I have enjoying it.

1562
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: Like I just watched Dead to Me, I just loved it. Listen.

1563
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: Lisz Feldman was on Two Brook Girls and uh, it's

1564
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: just unbelievable, unstoppable. Um Russian doll a friend of mine

1565
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: made uh Leslie and Natasha. I was just blown away.

1566
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: Someone who's had to make stuff. I was just like,

1567
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: the editing on this alone is causing me agit. Um Uh.

1568
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: Other things that I watched I watch all specials, um

1569
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. I watched a lot of documentaries, a

1570
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: lot of documentaries series. I was watching that Abstract show

1571
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: which is like that interview art show on Netflix, which

1572
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 1: I found really interesting. I watched a lot of stuff

1573
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 1: about robots because I have one, which root. I have

1574
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: a robot that looks like me. Um, that's at the

1575
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: end of my special. Um, i'll show it to you.

1576
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: But this is audio, so you can into you just

1577
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: so we can get your reaction on audio. So she um,

1578
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: you know, is constantly being updated. And I'm sorry, trying

1579
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: to learn as much as I can about robotics. And

1580
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: that's question the future robotics in entertainment because you know,

1581
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: everybody has a robot, you know, three months later it's

1582
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: on a date if I'm asking one. So what does

1583
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: your robot do that? She can talk, she can have

1584
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: extemporarius conversations, she can make Instagram content, which is usually

1585
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: what I use her for because I don't want to

1586
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: have to do it all because I get embarrassed. Um.

1587
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: But she's at the end, at the end of my special,

1588
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: and she's going to start like touring and giving her

1589
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: own talks. It but she's going to go by herself.

1590
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she's she has an agent at U t

1591
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: A and she is going to go to speak at

1592
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: colleges and tech conferences. Okay, So how did you get

1593
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: into this? I got into this because in this last

1594
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: special I ended up writing a lot about sex, robots

1595
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: and butts in general. I'd like forty minutes in my

1596
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: last special about it, and then I wadn't watch. But yeah,

1597
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: but that shows that I obviously clearly um. But basically

1598
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: I just watched watched the special and you guys will see.

1599
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it, okay. And books, reading, magazines, newspapers.

1600
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: What do you read? Books, magazines, newspapers. I do try

1601
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: to read books. Just got roon in Pharaoh's new book

1602
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: Cannot Wait to Dig in Anything. Joe Rogan tells me

1603
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: to read. I read, um, anything human nature, technology, what

1604
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: social media is doing to our brains. Um is usually

1605
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: anything that I can write material about. So are you?

1606
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: I read one called The Shallows just now, which is

1607
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: about how the Internet is changing our brains like that

1608
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: basically the way. So you're into reading nonfiction? Nonfiction? Oh

1609
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: only yeah, nonfiction. I'm actually about to pitch Gary Steinart's

1610
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: new books Super Sad, True Love Store his new book

1611
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: what am I saying? Like success? No? Like success? That

1612
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 1: was the best book I've read in like three or

1613
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: four year to books ago. He wrote Super Sad True

1614
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: Love Story, which is the most brilliant, brilliant books I've

1615
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: ever read. Um, it was being developed. It's a drama,

1616
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 1: which I think it should be a half hour comedy.

1617
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: So we're pitching that um soon. That was like the

1618
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: last nonfiction book I read at night was so good

1619
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to read another. Well, obviously you're full

1620
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: of energy if your home alone or you like, is upbeat. Um,

1621
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: I conserve my energy. And I'm really boring, but I'm

1622
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: on your podcast and I want to make sure that

1623
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: I'm good. I mean, how's your mental story will collapse

1624
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: when I get in your mental state? Are you someone

1625
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: who's tends to be happy tends to be depressed? Um?

1626
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: You know. Usually I'm just gonna be honest with you.

1627
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: I think in comedy you're as happy is your last set.

1628
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: So if I have a great set, I'm in a

1629
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: good mood. If I have okay, So, if there's seven

1630
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: nights in a week, how many are you working tonight? Yes, sir,

1631
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: get the last factory in the comedy story. And I'm

1632
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: working on new material, and new material is always like

1633
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: like a you know, trudge through quicksand and um, you

1634
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: know my mood is I'm not gonna lie greatly impacted

1635
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: by So just one thing you're working on now, I'm

1636
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: working on. I'm coming for the ballet, and I'm coming

1637
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: for charities that I think are scams. I have a

1638
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: bit about some charities that I think is okay, give

1639
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: me your take on balt because my parents dragged me

1640
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: finally said, I think it's great. I just the bit

1641
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: i'm working on. I'm not gonna do a comedy in

1642
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: front of nobody in this cement room, but I do.

1643
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm just working on a bit that I think is

1644
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: an interesting conceit of, Like I think anything should go

1645
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: away if you couldn't pitch it today as a new idea,

1646
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: Like if you're going to pitch ballet today, it's going

1647
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 1: to be awkward. It's an exactly how about base Blake

1648
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: put in the same category, you know what you really

1649
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: could we have? What is that? It's just a bunch

1650
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: of guys in their forties who might kind of work out.

1651
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: I think older than that. I don't know enough about

1652
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 1: baseball that even pitch it as a joke. I'll have

1653
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: to learn, because that is a good one. Well, you

1654
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: know exactly, and there's a number of things you know

1655
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: from that our past say that people are reminiscing about.

1656
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: It's like Trump go back to you know what once was?

1657
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: What was wasn't so great? Yeah, right, right, right, let's

1658
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: go back to coal mining exactly, Black Line. Well, at

1659
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: least I had a job. Yeah, the nostalgia of not

1660
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: having antibiotics. Um, but that and then a lot about

1661
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: how I were obsessed with privacy. Now all of a sudden,

1662
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, my phone number is getting leaked.

1663
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: It's like I remember the days when we used to

1664
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: have a book right full of numbers and addresses, and

1665
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: they would just throw it at your house. They were

1666
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,799
Speaker 1: all over the street. Do you remember phone books everywhere?

1667
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean we used to like that. Listen, did you

1668
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: watch a breaking bad movie? No, I haven't seen it yet.

1669
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: It's not great. But the only thing what do you like? Oh?

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01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: I like a lot of stuff. Okay. It's like, you know,

1671
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: if you read the New York Times book review, and

1672
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: they always be what are you reading? People always up

1673
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: pick up obscure stuff to look good. So there are

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01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: a couple of obscure things. But I'll say I loved

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: most of this ship. I want I binge. I don't

1676
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: watch when it's on. Okay, okay, So like the Americans,

1677
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: I thought was great, brilliant. One of those shows that

1678
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: ultimately gets better. The documentary about the Bogwan on Netflix, right, okay?

1679
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 1: The one about the nun before that, that was really good.

1680
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: The nun who got killed, Oh you gotta watch. You

1681
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: know that I killed the nunther got killed? And you

1682
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: know it was the U in Baltimore. God, I can't

1683
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: remember the name. I don't know. Did you ever see

1684
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the woman who wasn't there or the impostor which one

1685
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: is the impols older? That's the I don't want to

1686
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:37,440
Speaker 1: spoil it for everyone. The guy who was from Melbania

1687
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: and he ended up going to Dallas as a missing kid?

1688
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Is that one I did? I thought you were talking

1689
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 1: about one of the Rockefellers, you know, you know the

1690
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: guy who faked being a Rockefeller. Oh yeah, amazing. I

1691
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: love that Charlatan body snatching. But my number one recommendation

1692
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to television is Happy Valley. If you

1693
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: watched Happy Valley, Happy Valleys an English show, the woman

1694
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: is on it, you see before she's the most successful.

1695
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: This is a drama Happy Valley. Yes it's an English

1696
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: b BBC show, but it's on She's one of the

1697
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 1: most successful what TV? She is literally the most successful

1698
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: TV actress in the UK. Uh this? Uh? Katherine who her? Absolutely? Really?

1699
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Sorry, you guys aren't seeing this?

1700
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: Um well read her name. It came on. I cannot

1701
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: wait to see it. I thought you were going to say,

1702
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: like Katherine Tait or something. Um No, I watched everything.

1703
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 1: I have to watch the homework stuff. I watched clips

1704
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: usually the next day. Um, I want to go one more.

1705
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: This is an agent to turn me onto this. There's

1706
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: a French show about the town in Uh, France during

1707
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: the Second World War called a French Village. If these

1708
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: are like sixty five episodes, it's great, okay, But then

1709
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: it turned me onto another show. That show has deeper meaning. Okay.

1710
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: There's a show called Spiral. It's a French cop show.

1711
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,799
Speaker 1: Where are this wild French cop show on Amazon? Phenomenal? Okay,

1712
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: so like six seasons? Did you watch The Bodyguard? Are

1713
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: you like that? And I watched all that? But this

1714
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,479
Speaker 1: is that's good? This is a like a level above

1715
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: now as I say this Spiral, which is a co

1716
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 1: production between Canal Plues in the BBC. You know, it's

1717
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: I watched because these actresses and actors. We've seen him

1718
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: in other shows and it gets better every season. But

1719
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's like watching a cop show in an

1720
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 1: American DV if the actors were moving, you know, much

1721
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: more skilled and there was war time put into it.

1722
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: It is nice to watch actors that I don't recognize

1723
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: at all. There's something just I think that for me

1724
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: the experience of watching television. I don't know if this

1725
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: happens to you with music or whatever. It's like, oh God,

1726
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 1: I auditioned for that, or I know that actor, Like

1727
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: it's just it really does take the magic out of

1728
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: that Meryl Streep. I always see Meryl Streep acting. It's like, yeah,

1729
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 1: she can act, but it's always Meryl Streep. You know,

1730
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I can't get into it. It is like and then

1731
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, after like making enough movie and TV, I'm

1732
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 1: always like that was a d R, Like, oh that's

1733
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: a I can tell when something my fiance hates me.

1734
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: It's like when they pick up the cup to drink

1735
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: and you know it's totally or when they turn their head,

1736
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I guess I'll cut you lighter.

1737
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: Who mixed this? Okay? A couple of other things. This

1738
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: is an old documentary, but legendary. Did you see capturing

1739
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: the Freedman's okay? And then did you see the one

1740
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: with triplets? What were they called? Oh? Yes, of course.

1741
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: I was in a hotel room in Michigan screaming. Where

1742
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: was I? I I don't remember. It was mind blow. Those

1743
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 1: people who don't know. It's about three you know, Jewish

1744
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: babies in the Jewish family services, and I could say

1745
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 1: this Jewish who are separated at birth and then reconnect.

1746
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 1: That's it is. I was a dog, even though there's

1747
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: people like the twists are crazy. I knew twists were

1748
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 1: coming and it just blew my mind. Loved it, especially

1749
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: at the end. What's the one in Florida? The guy

1750
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: used to take the photographs and he died. That's another.

1751
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: Listen to the Ted Bundy tapes. Ted Bundy was alive

1752
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: and killing people. Where my girlfriend from tallahasse He was

1753
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 1: so I was very familiar. It's like escaping Dana Mora.

1754
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:15,919
Speaker 1: I'm not watching that. I read about it the newspaper.

1755
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: My god, that's so funny. I'm so fascinated by the

1756
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: the idea of releasing ted, But there's just what is

1757
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: going on with us that we want to hear? This

1758
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Are we getting into this weird

1759
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Roman colosseum entertainment like late stage late stage capitalism. Just

1760
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: watching I mean Twitter now really is the new colosseum,

1761
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 1: watching people get humiliated and detracted and taken down and abused,

1762
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: and we're just piling on and and some of this

1763
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: entertainment is like I don't need to see that. Well,

1764
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, the change was in when we are the

1765
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Irhana hostage situation. That's when it flipped from the Vietnam

1766
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: era Let's question America to American do no Wrong, and

1767
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,719
Speaker 1: now we have two camps and it's like really crazy.

1768
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: But there was one other show, the Hassan Special, so

1769
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: he's so great, you know, the one where he talks

1770
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: about growing up in Sacramento. That was unbelievab brilliant. He's

1771
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: so brilliant. There's also I'd missed, just since we're talking

1772
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 1: about this anyway, to not mention V because I remember

1773
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: listening to the showrunner of Veep, I think on the

1774
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: NPR something talking about how because of what's going on

1775
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: in the news, it's so hard to uh right jokes

1776
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: because everything's you can't Like they had like a p

1777
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: tape joke and then it was in the news. It

1778
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: was just like, how do you write comedy in this

1779
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: space with how outrageous the news has become. It's actually

1780
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: really becoming a problem for comedy. I mean, you know,

1781
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 1: people want to say comedy is easier than ever now

1782
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: these jokes just right themselves. Like, first of all, the

1783
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,759
Speaker 1: stuff isn't funny. No one wants to hear about Trump

1784
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: on stage. I don't want us to hear about this, really, nobody,

1785
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 1: no one wants to hear about it. Can you see

1786
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: you can you hear an audible X tail in the

1787
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: room if it comes up? Okay, what all are at capacity?

1788
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,639
Speaker 1: What is uh contemporaneous in culture that is good material?

1789
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I I think that this, like

1790
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't say this in a pejorative way.

1791
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: I'm not like a PC culture is ruining comedy people

1792
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: person at all, But I do think that we tend

1793
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: to be responding to the narrative of like blogger culture

1794
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: instead of what America actually wants. To hear about. So

1795
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 1: I see a lot of common comedians going like, we

1796
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 1: are not allowed to see Trinity anymore. It's like everyone's like,

1797
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: what we're not like most people don't't know what you're

1798
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: talking about exactly. We have to say they now instead

1799
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 1: of him, her, and everyone's like, I don't have health

1800
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: insurance asking about this is why SNL is so bad.

1801
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: There's no shared culture. Never mind that they can't get

1802
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: to a joke at the end. Problem. I love SNL.

1803
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: It's like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They

1804
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 1: should have closed different. I'm fascinating. What I'm what I'm

1805
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: fascinated now is we have talked long enough, not intentionally,

1806
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: that it's not that your personality has changed, your presentation

1807
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: has changed because you know, hearing you on the RAF,

1808
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 1: it's because you come in when you're on Howard, it's

1809
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: like joke joke, and I feel like I'm always so

1810
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: boring on Howard, whether or not you are, which I

1811
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: don't think you are. The point is you are very quick.

1812
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: They don't come any quicker than you. So I think

1813
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: that you know, being a male involved with you probably

1814
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: very challenging, and I think very challenging that's where you're

1815
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,919
Speaker 1: asking me so much. I would think that your boyfriend

1816
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: doesn't speak that much. He's capable of speaking, but he's

1817
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:53,640
Speaker 1: not dominating the conversation. He's I'm actually pretty beta in

1818
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: my relationships. I don't want to have to be in charge.

1819
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 1: That's not what I was saying. Okay, what I was

1820
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: saying in terms of it's like, you see the debate

1821
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:05,719
Speaker 1: every week that this person spoke this much, this person

1822
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: spoke that much. I would assume that you do the

1823
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: great majority of speaking. Forget what the underlying nuances. I

1824
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: see where, I see where you're going. And I also

1825
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 1: think that he's a guy who can accept you wards

1826
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,839
Speaker 1: at all, which most other people cannot. M how dare you? Um?

1827
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: When you find the right guy, it's like a needle

1828
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: in a haystack. Not everybody can accept me either. You

1829
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: got to find somewhere kind of meat. But I'm also

1830
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: believe it or not. Our biggest complaint in our relationship

1831
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: is really more we don't talk enough because I'm always working.

1832
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm actually but you don't talk enough that you don't

1833
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: talk about important personal subject It's like, okay, we're doing this,

1834
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: we're doing that with the book the flo it's a

1835
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 1: lot like I am not very like delicate, and let's

1836
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: talk about every little thing. I'm like, it's fine, there's

1837
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: no point in our So are you the guy in

1838
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the relationship. I don't know what that means because I'm not.

1839
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: My girlfriend is the guy I would like to get touched.

1840
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,720
Speaker 1: You're not going to break up? There's no point in

1841
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: having this fight. Win take it like, I'm very like

1842
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 1: that that's hard. It's just we're not going to break up.

1843
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: If we're not. If we are, we're not. Let okay

1844
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: forgetting on the time, but don't don't. Don't people at

1845
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: some point need to be heard. I got you, we

1846
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: got the rest of our lives. Let me know. Can

1847
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,720
Speaker 1: we do next? Can we put a pin in it? Like,

1848
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: I'm just very like, so wait, So let's assume I'm

1849
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: your boyfriend and you're running out the door. Yeah, at

1850
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,719
Speaker 1: what point do I get my time? What do you need?

1851
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't need anything. I just need friends. Show that

1852
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: he just recommended me on the podcast. I just need

1853
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: you to understand me and hear what's going on. So

1854
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: I feel like that we're connected. Okay, Well, I'm not

1855
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:43,679
Speaker 1: in a place to hear it right now because I'm distracted.

1856
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 1: Can we do it at a time where I'm more available? Okay,

1857
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:49,040
Speaker 1: so let me help my book. When is that your book? Well,

1858
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: you sound like like your palm pilot. That's a that's

1859
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,600
Speaker 1: a phrase. Okay, we still talk about records, you know,

1860
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: instead of trying. I'm also big on the three day

1861
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: rule of if we're hot and emotional about something, let's

1862
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 1: talk about it in three days. Great days, three days,

1863
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: three days. You know today's world where someone gets killed

1864
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: and it's not even news in the afternoon. If we

1865
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: have an argument, I haven't even remember emotional and three

1866
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: days with this might be a different conversation. Let's have

1867
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: three days. But the world runs on emotions, is like

1868
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: the line. I think inherently it does. But that's like Twitter.

1869
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: People are offended, you know, that's like training and all

1870
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: this other stuff. Not everyone's offended by it. But yes,

1871
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 1: uh you know for me, I just I have learned.

1872
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm very economical with my time, and I think arguing

1873
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: while emotional, arguing well intoxicated on a dress, three days

1874
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,720
Speaker 1: have passed. You are living three days past, because in

1875
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: three days I can probably go you know what that was?

1876
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: My fault. Right now, I'm gonna be defensive. I'm gonna

1877
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna be dismissing, and I got it. Three days later,

1878
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it's mindful. Gotta go. Maybe, Look, we

1879
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: have a shared calendar there, you know, we have a thing. Don't.

1880
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Let's not fight twenty minutes before I have to drive

1881
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: to this podcast. I'm already laid for, and um, you know,

1882
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 1: he's very he's he's uh. I'm lucky and so is

1883
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: even it's an afternoon. Is there any like date nights

1884
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:19,920
Speaker 1: at certain times when it's all when I'm not running anywhere,

1885
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: so we can talk. Yeah, of course I don't. We

1886
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: don't not talk, you know. I just my thing is like,

1887
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't I don't need to get in little emotional

1888
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 1: fights all the time to feel alive or I don't

1889
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: conflate that with passion anymore. Okay, playing the psychiatrist where

1890
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: you grew up and you said you took care of yourself,

1891
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 1: your needs are very low on that level. It depends

1892
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 1: on who I'm in a relationship with, you know. I mean,

1893
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're into like attachment styles and strategies and stuff.

1894
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 1: If I'm with someone who is avoidant, I get very needy.

1895
01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, so it's sort of like if I'm with

1896
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 1: somebody who's unavailable, I mean before recovery, it would trigger

1897
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 1: my abandonment ship and I would be needy and what

1898
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: are you doing? And then and and when I'm with

1899
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,880
Speaker 1: someone who's self contained and healthy, I as a result,

1900
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm able to be self, which is where you are now. Yeah,

1901
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: so that's great. Don't be with someone who triggers all

1902
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: your ship and makes you fine. WHOA. I think your

1903
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 1: other point is better than that. I think you should

1904
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: know you better than that. Very good. No, I think

1905
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 1: that most people are not in touch with their own

1906
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: issues enough. Yeah, I'm lucky that I have someone who's

1907
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 1: he's you know, can see himself. And no, but as

1908
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 1: I say, you forgetting that just specifically you say, don't

1909
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 1: get yourself in situations. Most people don't know well enough

1910
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: what triggers that, And then the older they get, the

1911
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 1: more they're wary of going into a bad space, so

1912
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: they don't do that. Yeah, I think it's important to

1913
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: really just own your ship. And I sort of I

1914
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 1: know the wounds and I know what my deficiencies are,

1915
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: and I'm able to go. You know what if I

1916
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: have this conversation with you now, I'm gonna get defensive

1917
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 1: and my ego is gonna get involved, and I'm rushed

1918
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: and I haven't eaten today and I didn't sleep. But

1919
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: can we please do this in three days where I'll

1920
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: be fair. Let's talking about something really a board? Did

1921
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 1: you actually feel that earthquake? Lass night? I did? Do

1922
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: you think I lied to you? No? No, no, I'm

1923
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think you lied. There was an earthquake. I wasn't.

1924
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: I was not asleep yet even I was thrust for

1925
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 1: it Hills, yes, Woodland Hills. It wasn't the Center Compton,

1926
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: it was, yes, But it was like very deep, I

1927
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: guess because I normally feel all this ship. It was

1928
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: like it was I don't know if it's just my

1929
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: house or something. I don't know, but I was like

1930
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: thrust up. I also have like a little chandelier that

1931
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 1: I was able to see right, and I have dogs,

1932
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: and there's animals and there's coyotes and ships. So I

1933
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: was like up and I couldn't come back to sleep

1934
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: for some reason. Scott, how we shake me to my core?

1935
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: How long did it shake? For? Two seconds? It was

1936
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: very short. I didn't. I still not over the ninety

1937
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 1: four earthquake. I wasn't here, but it seemed like it

1938
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 1: was traumatizing. I'm a late night but not quite as

1939
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: late night as I was then. But you know, it

1940
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: was like at four twenty in the morning, and I

1941
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 1: had been in bed for like five minutes, and it

1942
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: was like a seven forty seven than was flying ten

1943
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: ft above my house. What happened in your damage, Well,

1944
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was I ran out of

1945
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 1: the house where I wasn't wearing any clothes, and my

1946
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: neighbors were dealing with me. I thought I was gonna die,

1947
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: so I ran out of that that ran out of

1948
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: the house, and the the insulators on the on the

1949
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: telephone poles, they were blowing up and the world was shaking.

1950
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: I literally couldn't stand up straight. And then my neighbors

1951
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: came out and we talked to I was wearing nothing,

1952
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: and then we talked like I was fully closed. Everybody

1953
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: was completely shot in shock. Huh, so are your neighbors.

1954
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: I bet you live in a fancy neighborhood, not at

1955
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: that time, but in any event, uh. And then it

1956
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: shook for the following month, really pushed me over, I

1957
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,680
Speaker 1: mean really fucked me up. I did a lot of damage, right,

1958
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 1: didn't take points. Yeah, but it shook. Ironically it was

1959
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: epicenter with north Ridge, but like if you were in

1960
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills you were basically much better. But where I

1961
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 1: and Woodland Hills was actually pretty good because my sister

1962
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,759
Speaker 1: lived there at the time. But in uh, Santa Monica,

1963
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: buildings fell apart and everything. It was just you know,

1964
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 1: the freeway broken half. It's a nightmare. It's really a

1965
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: living nightmare. And word do as they say, Well, I'm

1966
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: not going to move away live Well, I did live

1967
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica. Now I live with my girlfriend in

1968
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks, you know, okay, in the hills. So because

1969
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to drive to the west side.

1970
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: This is like an argument. I would like to live

1971
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: on the west side. She doesn't. I don't know where

1972
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:32,680
Speaker 1: I live or whether what side it's on, but I

1973
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 1: love it. Well, the thing about now is it's like

1974
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 1: we're behind the screen. I could be behind the screen anywhere,

1975
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. That's true, that's correct. I know

1976
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,839
Speaker 1: I FaceTime meetings. I don't I don't go to meetings anymore.

1977
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: I usually do them over FaceTime or calls. Okay, I

1978
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: think we've covered anything you have to say. Um, I

1979
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so. I don't know

1980
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: what I was really walking into here. How is this

1981
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: different from other other we'll call it an interview that

1982
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: other with other people. You are intense in a good way,

1983
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: in a good way. It's definitely more personal than I anticipated.

1984
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't. I thought we were gonna be like talking

1985
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 1: about like I don't. I don't know for I thought

1986
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: we're really talking about like business. Well, one thing I

1987
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: don't want your personal life is your business, right. But

1988
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: one thing I don't want to do is asked the

1989
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: same fucking questions everybody else. As I was dreading you

1990
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 1: asking me if it's harder to be a woman in comedy,

1991
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: I was waiting for how did you get started? I

1992
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: was waiting for, like, when did what was your first thing?

1993
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: So this has been a complete delife, trust me to

1994
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 1: complete departure completely surprising and definitely shook me out of

1995
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 1: my three hours sleep that I almost I did try

1996
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: to reschedule you guys, and he wouldn't let me. No,

1997
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I've learned, you do it now. It was wild. He

1998
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in Santa Monica. I was like, Oh,

1999
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a this is gonna be a

2000
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: slam dunk. I was like, I haven't slept much. I'm

2001
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 1: getting a migraine. I want to be an optimal You

2002
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 1: seem scary. Let me do this when I've rested more.

2003
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, nah, today it works, Listen I have.

2004
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:04,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I have a migrant. I even slept

2005
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,560
Speaker 1: for three hours. Can I please do it when I

2006
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: can be my best self? He's like, see it, don't listen.

2007
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: I've had this Like, you know, I fly a lot

2008
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: outside business, and I found if somebody will come to

2009
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: India and six months and then you say, well, you

2010
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: know six months isn't really that because all we're gonna

2011
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: do it again next year. You better go now because

2012
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: anything could happen. I mean you were available today. You

2013
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 1: know you could be hit by a bus and we

2014
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,120
Speaker 1: could never do it, or you could have to go

2015
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: to New York. You were too excited about me being

2016
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: hit by a bus first of all. Second, are you

2017
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: team Scooter Braun? Uh? I would probably I'm not a

2018
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: verse two Interviewing Scooter Braun. Why why did you just

2019
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 1: mean like team that whole? I'm just now I have

2020
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: just a couple's music questions. Your music I a member

2021
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 1: of his group? Is that what you're saying? Like Team

2022
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Taylor or Team Scooter? Wasn't that the duel? Oh you're talking? Okay,

2023
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 1: she wrote a song about me, so anything I say

2024
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: has to be waited that way. So she is wrong

2025
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 1: on this issue. What do you think I don't know

2026
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: enough about it? Well, it's very simple. She he owned

2027
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: the music and she wanted to buy it back, and

2028
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: he wouldn't let her know. That's not the way it is.

2029
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Somebody owns one of your TV shows, We're gonna use

2030
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: easier numbers because TV is so much more expensive. Is

2031
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 1: it like packaging? Somebody owns your TV shows. Let's just

2032
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: for the sake of discussion, call it twenty episodes at

2033
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 1: ten million dollars a piece. That's two million dollars, and

2034
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: they tell you we're gonna sell it. Okay, Okay. Now,

2035
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:44,240
Speaker 1: let's also assume that you're worth seven million dollars. Okay,

2036
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:49,200
Speaker 1: so you could always step it and buy it, so

2037
01:44:49,560 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 1: you can't complain when everyone knows and you personally know,

2038
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 1: and your father is on the board of the record

2039
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: company where they are discussing whether to sell it or not.

2040
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 1: You could have bought it, okay, So when they sell

2041
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: it to anybody, how the fund can you complain? And

2042
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 1: as far as it being Scooter braun see this is okay.

2043
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know. Okay, No, but you

2044
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 1: expressed earlier that you are aware of your audience and

2045
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 1: how you come across. She is not. So she could

2046
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: do one of two things. She could own her identity,

2047
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 1: or she could go away for a while, go to

2048
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: college and actually learn there. A number of actors and

2049
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: actresses have actually done that. See see how that is.

2050
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: But especially look at you know, Britney Spears. She's like,

2051
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a hollowed out person. So when

2052
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: you've been famous for a young age, you are not

2053
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 1: in touch with the world. So when you go back

2054
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,840
Speaker 1: to Twitter every day, I got people emailing me that

2055
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm an asshole and tweeting that I'm an asshole all

2056
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 1: the Taylor Swift. If I even mentioned her name, the

2057
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: tweets come down. Okay, But forgetting Taylors. How come she

2058
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 1: of all people doesn't know not to fucking respond? She

2059
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,879
Speaker 1: is so un educating this issue. She had her squad,

2060
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: she tried to bring everybody in. Then people read it

2061
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 1: as fake. It's like I know all this ship and

2062
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: I'm like a Zilient as famous as you. I don't

2063
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: know anything. No, no, no, it's got nothing to do.

2064
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 1: You know that there are certain things you can say

2065
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: on social media that people are gonna really blast you about.

2066
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: I appreciated that she did ask people to register to

2067
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 1: vote that I totally agree and I'm very positive. No,

2068
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: My point is, you know certain triggers that you that

2069
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: you could post online. You choose whether to say them

2070
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 1: or not. And when you put one of those triggers

2071
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: and you get the negative blowback, you said, I chose

2072
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 1: to do it. I expect it. Whatever you don't put

2073
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: it on, go how did this happen? That you're in

2074
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: the game, you have to play by the game of

2075
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: the game. The other thing that she doesn't understand, and

2076
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to put this as a takedown of her,

2077
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 1: is she the parent I'm shifted and she didn't understand.

2078
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: Now we have metrics Spotify top fifty on your for

2079
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: those people don't know, on your computer version, not on

2080
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 1: the handheld version. If you hover your mouse over those lines.

2081
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: At the end, they will tell you how many streams

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01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:16,639
Speaker 1: that track has. They also give you like the first

2083
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 1: five or ten on the app. So the game has

2084
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: shifted to how many streams you have on Spotify, not sales.

2085
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 1: So she has this world domination. I think I'll be

2086
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: in every every TV show, every news magazine, and that

2087
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: will make it. It It doesn't work that way anymore because

2088
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 1: we can look at the streams. Are people actually listening?

2089
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 1: So now I'm sure you don't follow with that closely.

2090
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 1: But she's doing all kinds of things that used to

2091
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 1: be beneath her. She did an NPR tiny desk concert,

2092
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: she did a singing something in Texas Stadium or maybe

2093
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 1: the Nashville Predators. None of this. I don't want to

2094
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:55,680
Speaker 1: make this about Taylor Swift because believe me already, I'm

2095
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: gonna get it you. I'm a student of the game.

2096
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: You're a student of your game. Okay, the corporation owns it.

2097
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 1: If I'm doing my own thing, I'm totally controlled what works.

2098
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: What were I make a choice? So you're making all

2099
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 1: these within that you set yourself free, but you don't

2100
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 1: say interested in politics today, I'm gonna go do an

2101
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: hour politics and say, how did the negative blowback happen?

2102
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 1: What happened here? I might say, like Neil Young has

2103
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:22,880
Speaker 1: done intentionally a number of times. He killed his career.

2104
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: You have this album Harvest sold out arenas and didn't

2105
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 1: play any of it, played all new rocky music, So

2106
01:48:29,160 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: he intentionally wanted to do that. I had a one

2107
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,280
Speaker 1: time I went to Lauren Hill, who's my favorite favorite,

2108
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: and she did and this is not blamed. Who did

2109
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: you say? Lauren Hill? And I She's be able to

2110
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell she wants. I want to be

2111
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 1: able to do whatever. Comedians are different is we have

2112
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,120
Speaker 1: to play new we have to do new stuff. You

2113
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: haven't heard. You don't want to hear the hits. You

2114
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: come to hear new stuff. And I remember Lauren Hill

2115
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:54,719
Speaker 1: did some of the you want to go and sing along,

2116
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 1: but that artist has sung the song fifty million times

2117
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:59,559
Speaker 1: and might not want to do, you know, And she

2118
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 1: did had a couple of her songs like in a

2119
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 1: different way, and we were all like, we can't sing along.

2120
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: It was just like, well, it's an interesting thing because

2121
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 1: it used to be you could promote that you're doing

2122
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: new material to scare off those people. But for the

2123
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,600
Speaker 1: same reason, you can't reach everybody with any message today

2124
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,680
Speaker 1: like Todd Rummand did that. He said I'm doing this

2125
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: material and people came and they were pissed. Anyway, people

2126
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 1: ask for their money back. If they don't, usually don't.

2127
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: They really just go online and bitch or tell their friends.

2128
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: But what ultimately is the point is if you want

2129
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: to trade on your old material, you have to play it.

2130
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Did you talk to anybody in these whos we're talking

2131
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 1: to Mick Jones, a foreigner the other day, you have

2132
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 1: to play five or six songs. Jimmy Buffett, he's got

2133
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,840
Speaker 1: a certain day, tells them like, you know, not the

2134
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: Core eight or something. They have to play and you

2135
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 1: have put yourself in that, or you can start over

2136
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,519
Speaker 1: in clubs trying to make it. Garth Brooks tried to

2137
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: do this. He even changed his name because Garth Books

2138
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 1: Garth Books is once again you're young or so. He

2139
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 1: put on an album called Chris Kains. He wanted to

2140
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: make it as a rock star because really his show

2141
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 1: was rock Okay, he was rejected. People want wanted uh

2142
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Garth and he went back to being Garth. But it

2143
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: was clear what he was doing. Yeah, you know, I'm

2144
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: changing my identity. You're either in a hard to evolve. Yeah,

2145
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean it is interesting like when I am touring,

2146
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,479
Speaker 1: like I'm doing stuff that's not about relationships or dating,

2147
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 1: and and I sort of look out and I sail

2148
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: these bachelor parties and girls nights and I'm like, gos

2149
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: shit exactly gonna work? Yeah, yeah, you work so hard

2150
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 1: to get a certain uh fan base, then you get them.

2151
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 1: You gotta you know. I went to this doubleheader tour.

2152
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 1: They played ballparks at this point, it's almost like fourteen

2153
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: years ago, and it was Brian Adams and Deaf Leopard

2154
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: and they would switch headliners each night. So we're in

2155
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:50,720
Speaker 1: Minneapolis and Brian has to play during the day. If

2156
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 1: you're a rock act, that's death. Like the Rolling Stares,

2157
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 1: They're never gonna play during the day. Okay, he got

2158
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:57,760
Speaker 1: on the audience wasn't reacting. I'm standing on the side

2159
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: of the stage. He literally took the set list and

2160
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: tore it in half and looked at everybody in the

2161
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: band and then proceeded to win the people over, like

2162
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 1: do it as I say. And I said, that's a

2163
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 1: master at work. But it's the same thing. You know,

2164
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: you don't want to have a show. You want to

2165
01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: have a show, said, I did everything I could. Oh well, yeah,

2166
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean you've seen Bill Bird at that OPI and

2167
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: Anthony video where he they were booing him this open

2168
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: Anthony crowd and then he turns it into killing. It's

2169
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 1: it's literally the greatest most uh uh, I mean, like

2170
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Speaker 1: comedy hero, Okay, say any other music questions. I just

2171
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean I've I'm really fascinated by just all the

2172
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 1: ship and you know, well, thank you, but this is

2173
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 1: your It sounds like you came in with a list

2174
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: of questions. No, I'm just I'm fascinated by all this ship.

2175
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's wild. Well, the point is committe, okay,

2176
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I used to relate there are errors gay music as

2177
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:56,280
Speaker 1: a results of the Beatles, etcetera. That's where you went

2178
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: from truth, and that's FM radio comedy. Is you go

2179
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:04,839
Speaker 1: for truth? It started really forget the comedy boom on cable,

2180
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 1: with the improv online whatever. The Simpsons had a more

2181
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: incisiul kind I'm try you know, they could they could

2182
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 1: look at it and pope fun in ways that no

2183
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: one else would. So you felt like only cart exactly,

2184
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 1: only cartoon characters to do that. So comedians that's one

2185
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: of the reasons why comedy is so happy. They're speaking

2186
01:52:24,240 --> 01:52:27,760
Speaker 1: truth in a world of complete bullshit. It's funny because

2187
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, everyone's like PCs culture is ruining comedy

2188
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: and he's making it better because now it's like you

2189
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 1: say something that's incendi or and it's like boom, it's

2190
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: like three times the reaction. How do you feel about

2191
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: people recording your shows? You use yonder but always yeah, always,

2192
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 1: not like at the comedy store and stuff. When I'm around,

2193
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: I also am not like saying stuff that's I'm not

2194
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:50,519
Speaker 1: I don't do that really. Um, it's more just annoying

2195
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: because if someone puts it up, you're like, if it

2196
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: gets a lot of you, I don't want to put

2197
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 1: it in in my special. It's just more like it's or

2198
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: just like you don't want anyone to hear before it's ready.

2199
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 1: How about Michael Richards, should he be uh gone forever?

2200
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: I mean he never really did stay exact exactly. It's

2201
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 1: more like let comics do it. It's you know, stand

2202
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 1: ups hard exactly, it's really hard and um, and also

2203
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 1: you have to suck before you're good. That's right, and uh,

2204
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: you know it was that to me was someone who

2205
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 1: was not in control of That's a perfect answer, lack

2206
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 1: of training and being in that We're we've all been

2207
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: in situations like that before and it revealed sort of

2208
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 1: a lot about sort of his character the way that

2209
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 1: he handled it. Um. But I mean if he works

2210
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: as an actor, that's none of my business. Okay, But

2211
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: in terms of when ne' on stage and you're trying

2212
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: out new material, it is you know, That's what people

2213
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:45,960
Speaker 1: don't realize that you have two things going on at once.

2214
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 1: You're thinking and you're talking, but it's old materially you

2215
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 1: know by heart, but new materially. Do you ever get

2216
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 1: caught up we're saying, Okay, this is going to be

2217
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: like a dangerous spot. Yeah, totally, but you sort of

2218
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: cushion it sandwich of between stuff that you know does work,

2219
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: so that you've got lifeline and you know something's about

2220
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:05,200
Speaker 1: to kill if that you know gets a little shaky. Um,

2221
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: so you sort of pepper the new stuff in stuff

2222
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,960
Speaker 1: that you're I'm trying to say, is something saying something

2223
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 1: that maybe you shouldn't say? I don't. Um, Yeah, like

2224
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 1: I was just doing this big thing on uh, like

2225
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:23,200
Speaker 1: the Catholic church stuff and how nobody cares about the kids,

2226
01:54:23,240 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: like all the meat too stuff. There was no markin,

2227
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: there's no marchins, there's no hashtags, like no one cares

2228
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:31,799
Speaker 1: about the Yeah, there's no markin. There's no pr closet,

2229
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: tiny dick hat like there's nothing, and um it. It

2230
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 1: sometimes goes either either way and can get really awkward.

2231
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,160
Speaker 1: But the bit is kind of about how awkward it

2232
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 1: gets when you bring that up, like why everyone's so

2233
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 1: embarrassed to address it or acknowledge of course that it's happening,

2234
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 1: the shame involved that it's like really one of the

2235
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 1: most off limits subjects, um, the Catholic church stuff. So

2236
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 1: that's that's either either kills or is like very awkward.

2237
01:54:57,800 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: I was at the comedy store some week because we

2238
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,480
Speaker 1: were talking about doing something with the guy Richard. What's

2239
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 1: you know the guy? He loud his name but you

2240
01:55:06,600 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 1: would know him, So what did he do? He was

2241
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: he was a comedian, but then he the guy wears

2242
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Glassard Richard Fuck, but no, no, I know Richard Lewis.

2243
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: The only thing about Richard Lewis is you know Richard

2244
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 1: Lewis funny. He's the same guy off the State. I

2245
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:27,640
Speaker 1: think it's an act experience. I can't believe it. A

2246
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:31,760
Speaker 1: comedian named Richard. It'll come back Richard. His last name

2247
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 1: are fuck it is, you know who it is. But

2248
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,400
Speaker 1: that's not important. We're talking about doing something. So the

2249
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:41,080
Speaker 1: comedy store on a weeknight. Okay, all of a sudden,

2250
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: like ten thirty at night, Richard Pryor comes on. Oh,

2251
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: this is a long time ago. Richard Pryor comes on. Okay,

2252
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 1: and this is not long after he burned himself up. Okay.

2253
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: He lights a match and he starts, he starts telling

2254
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 1: rich your prior jokes, all the jokes that people said.

2255
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 1: When you touch the taboo, that's where the greatest laughs are.

2256
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: And that's the greatest insect because it makes people challenge

2257
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: their preconceptions. And it's also just comedy is surprised. It's

2258
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 1: the thing no one else will say that everyone's thinking,

2259
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 1: and the most surprising thing and the most artful way.

2260
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: So I think it's just more exciting than ever to

2261
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 1: do stand up right now. I also don't need to

2262
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 1: say tranny, I don't need to say act like. I

2263
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: don't think let's stay. The recent Chappelle's special, We're not

2264
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 1: forget the political ship. Okay, you find it funny. Chappelle's

2265
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 1: a genius, and um, I don't have to agree with

2266
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,920
Speaker 1: something to think it's funny. Now, I'm just talking in

2267
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: terms of sheer laughs. Did you watch the last special?

2268
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: Did you find it as funny laughing as previous work

2269
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:49,480
Speaker 1: of his. Well, I think there's always you know, I

2270
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 1: think there's it's there's always it's weird. It's like things

2271
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: are funny at certain times for different reasons all the time.

2272
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, there was definitely some cringe moments, but I

2273
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:01,400
Speaker 1: think that's okay. Now the cringe moment, I think, I

2274
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 1: think I can go like the comics. I understand. I'm

2275
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 1: not talking about cringe at all. I'm not talking about

2276
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 1: touching the third rail. Yeah, I am talking about Now

2277
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 1: that he's acclaimed as Chappelle, it gives him more room

2278
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:21,640
Speaker 1: to stretch out, and he is. You know, it comes

2279
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:23,920
Speaker 1: out with the outfit that says the Sea on it

2280
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. I find that the stories

2281
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 1: are dragged out a little bit more so. The last

2282
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: are not as frequent as they used to be. That's

2283
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:39,080
Speaker 1: all I'm saying the subject matter different subject. I think,

2284
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's a genius, and you know,

2285
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 1: I I hope one day I'm able to change my

2286
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 1: style if I want to, you know, I think, I

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Speaker 1: just think and maybe you know, as a comedian, I'm

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Speaker 1: not just consumer of comedy. I love watching him evolve.

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Speaker 1: And I know what it takes bravery wise to let

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Speaker 1: a joke drag out, you know, I know how. I

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Speaker 1: know how easy it is for him to write a joke,

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Speaker 1: so I know if he wanted a joke to be there,

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Speaker 1: it would be there. So for me, whatever he's doing,

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Speaker 1: I know that it's intentional, and I know that he's

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Speaker 1: clearly built. Like I remember seeing him at Montreal. This

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Speaker 1: is like ten years ago or something at some theater

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Speaker 1: and he was I remember like between jokes, we were

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Speaker 1: all on the edge of our seat. Like the tension

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Speaker 1: that he builds with silence is such a big part

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Speaker 1: of what he does. And then when the joke hits,

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Speaker 1: it's even bigger because you're like releasing. You know, he

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Speaker 1: really stresses you out with his use of silence, and

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Speaker 1: I think a really exciting it's almost like performance art

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Speaker 1: um and uh, it adds an intensity that a lot

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Speaker 1: of you know, I'm I'm very like, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: you laugh every twenty seconds because I don't lose you

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Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm insecure, and I know my jokes permitted.

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Speaker 1: I got, you know, And I think because we know

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Speaker 1: he's such a joke writer. When there's not a joke there,

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Speaker 1: we know there's I believe there's like well staying with

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Speaker 1: you know, George Carlin famously changed his act. So Carlin

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Speaker 1: prior to what degree are they seen as because Bill

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Speaker 1: Cosby has been torn down for what you know, let's

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Speaker 1: not even go there. But are they forgotten amongst the

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Speaker 1: comedy world or giants? No, not in the slightest. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there was just a Carlin clip going around the other

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Speaker 1: day all over social media about like PC culture on

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Speaker 1: Larry King. I believe, um, you know, his bits are

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Speaker 1: still you know, very much I think relevant in the

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Speaker 1: comedy community. But the comedy community they still respect him. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Like when said like and I think that the bar

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Speaker 1: for a great special, Like I remember, um, comedy comedian

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Speaker 1: I Revere called me and was like, yeah, that felt

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Speaker 1: like that jokes like a Carlin joke, Like that's sort

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Speaker 1: of the gold standard. Exactly, it's the gold standard. And

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Speaker 1: that's I think when you're writing. I mean, at least

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Speaker 1: for me as a comedian, I'm like, oh, George Carlin

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Speaker 1: right about now, like you we it's always in the

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Speaker 1: back of my mind, so you know, putting my foot

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Speaker 1: in my mouth one more of the time, uh, Billy Uh.

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Speaker 1: Bill Maherr was on Howard recently, within the last three

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Speaker 1: months whatever, So that's why Howard did Bill maher last week,

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Speaker 1: and Howard asked, who do you think of the great

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Speaker 1: comedians out there? Okay? And Bill maher said he thought

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Speaker 1: he was the best. Let's not even go there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the question obviously takes a certain amount of huts, but

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Speaker 1: to say you're the best. But he had gone on

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Speaker 1: that's certain number of his king He was dead fucking serious.

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Speaker 1: But he had said earlier in the interview that some

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Speaker 1: of his jokes are written by other people. What's your

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Speaker 1: viewpoint on that? Look, I I that's not the requirement

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Speaker 1: to write your own jokes, you know. For I used

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Speaker 1: to write jokes for other comics. That's really how I started.

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Speaker 1: So I paid my bills, so good for those comics

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Speaker 1: that are getting that money. UM, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a judgment around it. That is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's not what I would personally do and do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So when you write, okay, do you sit down with

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Speaker 1: a pad of paper or do you take a shower

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Speaker 1: and something comes computer? Writing every premise, everything I can

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Speaker 1: think of. They don't have to be jokes, yet go

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Speaker 1: for a hike writing them in my phone. I have

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Speaker 1: pages and pages and pages and not funny things that

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Speaker 1: I called down, start building, start highlighting, start Okay. So

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Speaker 1: there's never writer's block. You can sit in front of

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Speaker 1: the computer. You always have something. I mean, there's definitely,

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Speaker 1: like you know, sitting around calling people, running it by people, brainstorming.

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Speaker 1: But I make myself write everything down that's not funny

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Speaker 1: and then figure out why it's funny. Okay. We could

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Speaker 1: go on for good, but I don't want to hold you.

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Speaker 1: I have to go sleep. Exactly. You've been wonderful, You've

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Speaker 1: been very open, Whitney, Thank you so much for doing

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Speaker 1: the pod. Thank you. I'm nervous by Kendall Astro, who

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Speaker 1: was on this podcast, was like I did his podcast

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Speaker 1: and then all these industry insiders hurt it and it's

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Speaker 1: a very big podcast. That's not how she sounds. But no,

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Speaker 1: but I met Kendall the reason she's I met Kendall

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Speaker 1: Summit series, which is a whole another thing now, but

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Speaker 1: this is like six years ago. They have a place

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Speaker 1: in you Smartest Ship. And she was the first person

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Speaker 1: who told me she was going to do a snapchat story.

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Speaker 1: That's what really wrung. Mendell is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: people that I've ever worked with. And it's been brief

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Speaker 1: and she goes, here's what's working, Here's what's not working.

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Speaker 1: She does, you need to get the new iPhone. You

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Speaker 1: cannot be posting on a freaking iPhone five like she noticed,

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Speaker 1: because I have, because I noticed. She's like, you gotta

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Speaker 1: hashtet like. She is so savvy and smart and clear

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Speaker 1: and direct and not you know, I I really want

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Speaker 1: to work with people who don't walk on egg shells

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Speaker 1: around my feelings. She will give me feedback. Um, she

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Speaker 1: is so solution results oriented. I just she's she's one

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Speaker 1: of the good ones for those people don't know. She's

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Speaker 1: a social media agent and more at U t A

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Speaker 1: in any event, and she was on the podcast. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: you can look her up in the back story. He's

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Speaker 1: going to handle the social media for this one, i'd

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Speaker 1: imagine to make sure you guys listening. Okay, Whitney, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, Thank you. Next time spot left set