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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the little loan facts and secret histories

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Speaker 1: behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows and more. We

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Speaker 1: are your VJs of very granular details. My name's Jordan

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Speaker 1: run Tug and I'm Alex hegel Am I the Jesse Camp. Probably,

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Speaker 1: I guess that would probably make me Kurt Looader as

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Speaker 1: being old as he's like now yeah, and cantankerous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there we go, So I'll take that, okay as you were. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: in case you haven't figured it out, we are talking

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Speaker 1: about a television staple that sent kids running home from

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Speaker 1: school to stand their favorite artists using an innovative system

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Speaker 1: of telecommunications. Uh my kidding. I basically grew up in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, so I will always think of this

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Speaker 1: as the millennial American band stand. We are talking about

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Speaker 1: Total Request Live. Yes, the show were genial. Frat broke

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Speaker 1: Carson daily unveiled the ten most requested videos of the day,

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Speaker 1: and hung out with his famous friends at the epicenter

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Speaker 1: of American entertainment, Times Square. I'd like to say that

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Speaker 1: I eagerly tuned into the show every single day, but

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Speaker 1: then I would be a liar. That being said, I

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Speaker 1: did watch it every now and then with a friend,

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Speaker 1: and uh I look back on it. Finally, how about you, Heigel,

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Speaker 1: Were you a loyal viewer or had you already been

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Speaker 1: corrupted by punk and or jazz? No? I um, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think my period of being into like mainstream music

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, the spring Break stuff for sure, but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: original social media, you know. It was an interactive television

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Speaker 1: show that served as a meeting place for teens to

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Speaker 1: compare notes and on other teens we're talking about. And

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Speaker 1: it was also the last dying gasp of the monoculture

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Speaker 1: Sync and Beyonce, plus unforgettable music videos and some priceless

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Speaker 1: In an article for The Ringer, Rob Harvela describes TRL

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Speaker 1: as quote having an end of empire feel, a dizzy

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Speaker 1: music as a whole, just before file sharing, MP three's

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Speaker 1: And this was especially interesting for me because I started

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Speaker 1: that song. That's how it goes, space Lord. Yeah, it's

425
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: it's like Hesher, It's like Southern rock trending into new metal.

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Speaker 1: But no man, I would have guessed, although Biscuit would have.

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Speaker 1: This would have been in the middle ground between Faith

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Speaker 1: and Nookie. Is my bed. I could have guessed Corn.

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Speaker 1: I could have guessed corn Monster Magnet. Good Lord. They'll

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Speaker 1: always have that they No one can take that from him. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's important to reiterate that t r L launched at

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Speaker 1: a time when music videos and consequently MTV were at

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Speaker 1: a low point. Terrel creator Bob Cusbit says ratings were

434
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Speaker 1: low and the energy was low, and TRL was crucial

435
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Speaker 1: in revitalizing not just MTV, but the music video is

436
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Speaker 1: an art form. Terrel's viewership peaked in almost eight hundred

437
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: thousand tuning in every day, which to me seems low,

438
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: but I guess that's kind of part for the course

439
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: for basic cable network. And Bob Cusbit said that he

440
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: knew the show was catching on when staffers at MTV

441
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Speaker 1: took an active interest in the Sink versus Backstreet Boys debate,

442
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: and morale had visibly improved, and he knew they were

443
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Speaker 1: on the something big. Another sign that the show was

444
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: a hit was the ever growing crowd of fans outside

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00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: of fifteen Broadway in Times Square. About two weeks after

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Speaker 1: t r l's premiere, a young girl camped outside the

447
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: studio with a sign reading, Hey Carson, let me up. Sadly,

448
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: the name of this patient zero TRL fan has been

449
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Speaker 1: lost the time. I would have loved have interviewed her.

450
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: The following week, about thirty fans had gathered, and around

451
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Speaker 1: this time the producers, who have been, you know, taking

452
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Speaker 1: notice of this, started toying with the idea of making

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Speaker 1: a live audience a permanent part of the show. And

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00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: the producers pitched this idea of the network brass at

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Speaker 1: an off site meeting on Long Island, where they secretly

456
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Speaker 1: shipped a bunch of kids. I probably should have phrased

457
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: that better. Uh sent a bunch of kids to the

458
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Speaker 1: Long Island resort where this meeting was taking place, and

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00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: they had the kids line up with signs outside these

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Speaker 1: big windows outside the conference room with the shades pulled down.

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Speaker 1: And then at a crucial point during the presentation, the

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00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: producers dramatically lifted the shades and all the MTV executives

463
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: saw all these kids outside with signs and they were

464
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: screaming good kind of screaming. Not the shipping gonys had

465
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Speaker 1: a gun on them. Yeah, And then they opened the

466
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Speaker 1: door to the conference room and all these kids came

467
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 1: swarming in, and that was their way of kind of

468
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: dramatically illustrating the point that, you know, a live audience

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Speaker 1: could really add something to this show. Casting director Courtney

470
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Mullin was the one responsible for deciding who would and

471
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Speaker 1: who wouldn't make it in off the street, and this

472
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: was tough on days when artists like you know, the

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Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys are in sync, we're on the show. On

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00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: these days, Courtney Mullin would arrive at the office in

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Speaker 1: the morning to find kids in their parents sleeping on

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Speaker 1: the street in the middle of Times Square, desperate to

477
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Speaker 1: stake out a spot for the chance at being allowed

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Speaker 1: into the studio with their heroes, and Courtney said, they

479
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: either loved me or hated me. These kids, and considering

480
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: there were upwards of a few thousand people waiting and

481
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: the studio had room for about sixty audience members, she

482
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: dealt with mostly hatred. She devised trivia contests and other

483
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Speaker 1: games to try to ensure that the biggest fans made

484
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: it inside, but this was not always possible, and obviously

485
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: lots of people left the premises disappointed and sometimes enraged.

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: Courty told the ringer in I had the parents who'd

487
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: be screaming at me, yelling at me. Don't you understand

488
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: I had to call off work today. I got here

489
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: at one o'clock in the morning. And then there were bribes,

490
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: so many bribes. No matter where the parent worked or

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Speaker 1: what they did. They were like, I could get you this,

492
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: I could send you this. They were desperate to make

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Speaker 1: sure their kid was happy. And obviously I didn't take anything,

494
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: but it was just so funny the things I was offered.

495
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: She said that the strangest bribe she ever received was

496
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: a year supply of peanut shoes, n the most obscure

497
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: candy known to human guns. Some enterprising fans figured out

498
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Speaker 1: where Carson Daly's office was in the building and rented

499
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Speaker 1: hotel rooms at the Marriott Marquis directly across the street,

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00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: where they would stand naked in the window with signs

501
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: reading we went into TRL. We know you're there, Carson.

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00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I do wonder how effective that was. I guess is

503
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: very The crowd size outside the TRL studios made Times

504
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Square even more of a chaotic hell hall than it

505
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: already was. It was essentially a mini New Year's Eve

506
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: every single week day. The screams could get so loud

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: that they were audible in the MTV offices on the

508
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Speaker 1: twenty five floor of the building, hours before the show

509
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: Tapic was even set to begin later at tr L VJ,

510
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Dave Holmes would compare the sounds to quote, being in

511
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: the world's largest exotic bird shop. There's a weird primal

512
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: nature to it where they all hit the same loud

513
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: note at once. It was almost like a mating call.

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00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: And the crowd would get so huge and unruly at

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Speaker 1: times that the NYPD would ask TRL producers to lower

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Speaker 1: the shades on the studio windows, and a desperate attempt

517
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: at dispersing fans and Tirel's executive producer Tim Healy later

518
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: told the Ringer the fans would wait hours and then

519
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: we would drop the shades and you would hear them

520
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: just it was like air being let out of a balloon,

521
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: this moan outside. I always felt bad for Carson. People

522
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: were pissed, and I think a lot of guests took

523
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: pride when the shade came down. They knew they had

524
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Speaker 1: kind of ground Midtown to a halt, and it quickly

525
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: got to a point where doing events outside the studio

526
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: in the middle of Time Square became impossible. At one

527
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Speaker 1: point early in the show's history, the producer's toy do

528
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the idea of sneaking jay Z into the Virgin Megastore

529
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Speaker 1: across the street to surprise customers, but the managers of

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Speaker 1: the Virgin Megastore quickly put a stop to it because

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Speaker 1: they couldn't guarantee jay Z's safety. Tiral producer Brian Terry

532
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: told the Ringer, we had to get back into his

533
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Speaker 1: suv to drive the literally nine tire rotations it would

534
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Speaker 1: take to get from the Virgin Megastore to the TRL studios,

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00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: and it was like the Pope. People were crawling on

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00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: the cars and I'm just like, Holy Jesus, this is

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Speaker 1: something else. And many of the producers on the show

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00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: up nice memories of Eminem's two thousand two appearance tied

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00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: to the premiere of eight Mile Terrel. Staffers begged the

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00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: NYPD to allow them to keep the shades up so

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Speaker 1: that Eminem could wave to the crowd, who would sprint

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00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: through traffic in the middle of Time Square to try

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00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: to get closer to him, and casting director Courtney Mullen

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00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: later said, I remember how emotionally was literally you could

545
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: see tears in his eyes. It really hit him. I

546
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: think it was chilling to see Times Square like that,

547
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: and just to see he wasn't taking it for granted.

548
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: He really really appreciated that moment. That's cute. I'm glad.

549
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: I'd think we got that moment for Eminem. Happy. Eminem

550
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: is my favorite eminem. Um. This is really like my

551
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: memory of of TRL was screaming and sync and Backstreet

552
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: Boys fans and yeah, do you remember like the girls

553
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: in your school like drawing battle lines about this stuff? Yeah?

554
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, this is one of the few things

555
00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: that I actually like first and memories of in this era. Yeah, Millennium,

556
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: I remember the argument about who's going to sell more

557
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: like like these these versus blur. But yeah, yeah, well yeah,

558
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: but I mean like the people cared obviously say like

559
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: eleven year old girls like going and looking up like

560
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: billboard sales figures at the most. Remember that I mostly

561
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: remember like I don't really care who sells, more like

562
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: they're my favorite. Like end of story. Yeah. So the

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00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: preamble to all that was the two our Backstreet Boys

564
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: special TRL special tied to the release of Millennium, drew

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00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: so many fans that Times Square, the busiest place on

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Seaboard, were shut down. This is, you know,

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: a pretty easy place to pinpoint the moment at which

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00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: the boy band phenomenon reached critical mass. Millennium obviously entered

569
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: the Billboard two at number one, sold one point one

570
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: million copies in its first week, breaking the previous sound

571
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: scan record held by Garth Brooks uh. And then this

572
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: would happen again a year later with the release of

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Speaker 1: in Sync's sophomore album, No Strings Attached, which shattered Millennium's

574
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Speaker 1: first week sales by selling two point four million copies,

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Speaker 1: notching a record that lasted fifteen years to be broken.

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Speaker 1: In with a Dell and the record Were you a

577
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Speaker 1: Backstreet boy or an in Sync boy? I mean, I

578
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: know need the answers neither, but if you had to know.

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00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: But I I think I liked Backstreet blays more because

580
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: they they the video for Everybody's Backstreet back was like

581
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Speaker 1: partially in a haunted house and as like an Adams

582
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: as like an Adams family person. I was like, that's

583
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: all I need to draw sides like one of them

584
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: is a mummy scams, one of them is a werewolf.

585
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm on those guys side now. Um, I think in

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00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Sync covered that thing you do and they did some

587
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: p G songs too, and so that kind of enough

588
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, that was enough for me and then

589
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,479
Speaker 1: my my girlfriend and her family. My girlfriend's sister has

590
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: seen in Sync slash justin Timberlake. It must be over

591
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: fifty times like Megamega Mega Mega super fan. She got

592
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: some good uh some good bootlegs, Dicks picks for forensics.

593
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: You've really got to hear Tampa Bay's nine Spring of

594
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: But they've convinced me that in Sync has better vocal harmonies.

595
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I am more complex, I should say that harmonies. Yeah whatever, Yeah, sure,

596
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean we got justin Timberlake out have been sync right,

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00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: so that's probably the they. I mean, obviously they won

598
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: right Backstreet Boys didn't get back Boys are still together though,

599
00:34:54,600 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: so well that's true. No, um, but they didn't like launch.

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00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: There was like no like like the A J. McClean

601
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: solo career never materialized. I can't believe that dude's name.

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00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I'm really impressed Brian Latruelle. He

603
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: was the other one with a goatee. I think he

604
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: was the blond one who looked like he stuffed kids

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Speaker 1: in the lockers. We're going to take a quick break,

606
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more too much information

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. And this brings us to the

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: point at which t r L and the boy band

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00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: that really the teen pop era, And because I remember

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00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: Brittany and Christina on this just as much as them,

611
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, the teen pop late nineties, early oughts and

612
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: TRL achieve a perfect like those uh those wasps that

613
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: lay eggs in cat pillars while they're still alive, and

614
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: then they burst into the caterpillar and eat their brains.

615
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: The fish, the fish that are in the shark's teeth,

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00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: clean out the survive on the stuff that like the

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00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: bits of meat in between the Yeah, they achieved a

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00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: perfect symbiosis, which J. C. Schaws A of end Sinc.

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Speaker 1: Actually used and not the whole disgusting animal metaphor, but

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00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: he called they said they had a symbiotic relationship. Scholars

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00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: of this period was that Maria Christina Sherman, who are

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00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: you sighting there? Because I know she wrote a book

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00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: about it. She wrote a book of a great book

624
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: about boy bands. Yes, um, I just at totally okay,

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00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: And scholars of this period speculated that sounded better than

626
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: me saying I google around a bit and I feel like, well,

627
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: that's fair. I mean, yeah, it's just interesting because I

628
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: think we had talked about how reality TV may be

629
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: killed killed off TRL, but I think it was really

630
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: more like the assent of hip hop into the mainstream

631
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: because if you look at it, like the conventional arc

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: of like mainstream chart narrative, right is like grunge and

633
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: then new metal and teen pop and pop punk and

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00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: then sort of hip hop took over, and then it

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00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: became like hip hop and R and B and then

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Speaker 1: like E. D. M influenced stuff, right, Like that's kind

637
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Speaker 1: of the conventional wisdom that that like hip hop and

638
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Speaker 1: R and B became like the dominant things that influenced

639
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Speaker 1: pop and that killed off Rocks influence on pop right,

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Speaker 1: And well, I don't know why that would influence t

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Speaker 1: R L. I mean it was well because because TRL

642
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Speaker 1: didn't have a monopoly on black music on the air,

643
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Speaker 1: they had BT and competition, and that's that. That was

644
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Speaker 1: kind of where I was going with that. That's an

645
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Speaker 1: interesting point that I because MTV was famously historically racist,

646
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Speaker 1: they didn't they just didn't play black people, so as

647
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Speaker 1: as R and B and I mean for they were

648
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: by this point. But you know, um, everyone's seen that

649
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Speaker 1: thing about David Bowie being like MTV play black artists. Yeah,

650
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: so I think that plays into it. But anyway, their

651
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Speaker 1: dominant cultural moment came with the most Lily Lily Waited

652
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Speaker 1: on Earth teen pop, and scholars of this period speculated

653
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Speaker 1: that had the show launched a year or so earlier

654
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Speaker 1: with your sort of post grunge fallout bands like Semi

655
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Speaker 1: Sonic and Fastball, Uh, it would not have met with

656
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: the same success that it did when they had bands

657
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: like and Sync and Backstreet Boys and degrees. The personality

658
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: driven Groups and the and the Women of the Era.

659
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Speaker 1: Um by fall of the Backstreet Boys and in Syncs

660
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Speaker 1: debut albums had sold a combined thirty million copies. And

661
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Speaker 1: it is Nuts and you can see him on TRL

662
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Speaker 1: every damn day. Very first Countdown on the debut episode

663
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: featured both of those bands, as we counted down earlier,

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Speaker 1: battling over the top spot on the chart with I'll

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Speaker 1: Never Break Your Heart and tearing up my heart. Two

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Speaker 1: hearts two hearts beating is one. Um, that's because didn't

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Speaker 1: one of them have I think Brian Latrielle had like

668
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Speaker 1: a like open heart surgery at one point. Yeah. Um.

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Speaker 1: Up to that point, MTV hadn't really been paying boy

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Speaker 1: band videos and only started once their fans mobilized and

671
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Speaker 1: voted them onto TRL. A. J. McLean later laughed about

672
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Speaker 1: how they quit playing games with my Heart video was

673
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: very much not in line with MTV's image when it

674
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Speaker 1: was first released, saying a bunch of guys in linen

675
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Speaker 1: shirts dancing in the rain showing off their abs wasn't

676
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. But once the fans banded together and forced

677
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Speaker 1: MTV's hand, they didn't have a choice. That is, you know,

678
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Speaker 1: also the like Boys two Men model, but sure A

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Speaker 1: j Professor Gale Wald, who teaches English and American studies

680
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Speaker 1: at George Washington University, is quoted as saying that the

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Speaker 1: request aspect of TRL allowed quote girls to be able

682
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Speaker 1: to see themselves as the authors of culture. They were

683
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Speaker 1: pulling all the strings. Show became this really fun excuse

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Speaker 1: for them to display their consumer power. Damien Faye, he

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Speaker 1: said that it was always bad news when he inadvertently

686
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Speaker 1: chose a Backstreet Boys stand to introduce God must have

687
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Speaker 1: spent a little more time on you. Took me a

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Speaker 1: second there, Carson. Carson also recalled an incident during a

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Speaker 1: Battle of the boy Band's trivia section where a Backstreet

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Speaker 1: Boys stand named Tiffany lost and became enraged, saying that

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Speaker 1: she was gonna kill her opponent and telling Carson, I'm

692
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Speaker 1: going to kill you too. That was a trick question.

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Speaker 1: It's a scary clip. She's like, Oh, those women were insane. Look,

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Speaker 1: they were all like this is this is where you

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Speaker 1: get Like this is the seeds of stand culture. I

696
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Speaker 1: mean like I know the Beatles and everything, but like

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Speaker 1: this is the first place I ever started seeing it before.

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Speaker 1: Like in Sullivan stuff was like these girls like you know,

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Speaker 1: especially no, I did see it on Sullivan first. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the fifties, you though, because at

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Speaker 1: the Oology Baby three years four t r L UM,

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Speaker 1: as we alluded to earlier, Dave Holmes called the Battle

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Speaker 1: of the boy bands in favor. Uh well, he called

704
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Speaker 1: it a watch. He says, the Backstreet Boys are still

705
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: alive and touring, and although n Sync is no more,

706
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: they did produce, he said, the man who is still

707
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Speaker 1: our biggest worldwide cultural phenomenon. I speak, of course, of

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Speaker 1: Lance Bass. And then he said, I call it a

709
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Speaker 1: draw fellow. I heart podcast a Lance Bass. Oh really yeah,

710
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Speaker 1: he's he's got a show called Frosted as in frost Tips,

711
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: sits down, interviews, fellow boy banders. Good show, Lance, come

712
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Speaker 1: on our show. We'll do those strings attached like that?

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Speaker 1: Is that that is in sync? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah

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Speaker 1: um And as we as we mentioned earlier, you cannot

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Speaker 1: talk about the teen pop phenomenon and t r O

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Speaker 1: without discussing Brittney Spears, who was dubbed the official first

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Speaker 1: Lady of t r L during the show's TRL Awards

718
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Speaker 1: in two thousand three, which was the year that she

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Speaker 1: performed for the first time on the show, singing in

720
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Speaker 1: the Zone in the middle of Times Square with the

721
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Speaker 1: Yin Yang Twins God while Will Ferrell held up a

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Speaker 1: sign from the audience declaring his undying love. There are

723
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Speaker 1: so many things that are bizarre about that sentence. I

724
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Speaker 1: just read until two thousand and three for her to

725
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Speaker 1: perform on the show perform Yeah, she was Yeah. It

726
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: was Will Fell promoting elf I Think Yeah and the

727
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: Yin Yang Twins with the Twins Um. She appeared on

728
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Speaker 1: the show I reported fourteen times over the course of

729
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: its decade long run, initially as a seventeen year old

730
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Speaker 1: on December eight, where she debuted her music video for

731
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Speaker 1: Baby one more time. During future appearances, she would co

732
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Speaker 1: host with Melissa Joan hart Uh Sabrinea the Teenage which

733
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Speaker 1: right she was in the movie Drive Me Crazy, for

734
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Speaker 1: which Britney Spears did the title track. Melissa Joan hart

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Speaker 1: manh Uh what else did Britney Spears do. During the

736
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Speaker 1: many appearances on Terraligel with Melissa John harn no Um,

737
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: she discussed her crush on Brad Pitt. She discussed her

738
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Speaker 1: relationship with Justin Timberlake Wause. She the first puppy love boyfriend,

739
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Speaker 1: and she debuted her belly button piercing in two thousand.

740
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Speaker 1: Remember that, and that was a thing, Um, you pulled

741
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Speaker 1: a particularly why do either of us have to read

742
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: this sentence? Method Man of Woutang Clan and The Wire recalled,

743
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Speaker 1: he's great in the wire. Uh, let's great on t

744
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: r L as we'll find out. Yes, he recalled crossing

745
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: paths with Brittany during appearance on the show as they

746
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: posed for a picture after filming wrapped. He says that

747
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: he leaned over and whispered into Britney's ears. You got

748
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Speaker 1: a fat ass for a white girl. You got a

749
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Speaker 1: fat ass for a white girl. You got a fat

750
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Speaker 1: ass for a white girl. Take you you you got

751
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: a fat ass for a white girl. You got we're

752
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: going for lunch. You got a fat You got fat

753
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: ass for white girl. You got a fat ass for

754
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Speaker 1: a white girl. Brittany. Ever, the professional waited until the

755
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Speaker 1: photo was taken before replying, thank you, so God, bless

756
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: your heart. That's an incredible Brittany Britney impression, and method

757
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Speaker 1: Man offered a polite You're welcome, like Frost Nixon of

758
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Speaker 1: the Odds, um recalling the meeting on Wrap Fix in

759
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, Method meant he said that he meant

760
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Speaker 1: it as a compliment. You know, I'm telling the truth, Brittany.

761
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Speaker 1: I think that's a documentary that came out in like

762
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Speaker 1: twenty eleven or twelve called the TRL Decade that I

763
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: think VH one, the k docs imprint put out, which

764
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Speaker 1: has now been like scrubbed from the internet. I was

765
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: trying to find it in preparation for this, but it

766
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: was a really good documentary and I think Method Mans

767
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: is one of the talking heads on there, and he's very,

768
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Speaker 1: very proudly recounts this anecdote. Boy, well, this incident, unsavory

769
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Speaker 1: as it is, brings us to another crucial point. It's important,

770
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Speaker 1: so so deeply important to remember that popular music in

771
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Speaker 1: the late nineties and early two thousand's was so much

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Speaker 1: more than the teen pop craze. Terrel boasted an impressive

773
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Speaker 1: array of music, from Lincoln Park and my Chemical Romance

774
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Speaker 1: and Avril Levine to R and B and hip hop

775
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Speaker 1: acts like jay Z Diddy, Maraah, Harry and Destiny's Child,

776
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Speaker 1: new metal and pop punk acts especially. It took a

777
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: perverse pleasure in appearing on TRL. Derek Whibbley of Some

778
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: forty one likened it to quote, planting our flag on

779
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Speaker 1: enemy ground. I remember the very first time we were

780
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: on t R l oh Town or something like that

781
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: was on there, and I remember we were just making

782
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: fun of them as we were about to come out

783
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: or something. So that was just the vibe for us

784
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Speaker 1: to go on there and sort of spit in the

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00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: face of everybody else. Of all the pop bands that

786
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: were on there. Show creator Bob qus bit like in

787
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: the Metal versus boy band face off to quote the

788
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: Heels Versus the baby Faces, and pro wrestling. Taylor Hanson

789
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: of The Hanson Hanson's recall sitting in the TRL green

790
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Speaker 1: room chowing down on checks mix with Fred Durst. How yeah,

791
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: it's quite an image, quite a juxtaposition, but he noted

792
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Speaker 1: how not weird it was because quote, the thing about

793
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Speaker 1: those situations is we all have the same job. We

794
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: tour and we play music. Many of these meetings were

795
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: preserved thanks to the in studio photo booth that served

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Speaker 1: as a sort of visual guest book for t R

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Speaker 1: l Over the course of the ten seasons, over two

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Speaker 1: celebrities popped in, ranging from Insane Clown Posse and Cisco

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Speaker 1: to Muhammad Ali and John McCain, sadly, I don't believe together.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say no, I don't think so often together.

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Speaker 1: Do a funny one now, And if you're interested in

802
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: such early two thousand's oddities, the best images have been

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00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: compiled into a coffee table book, which I believe is

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Speaker 1: available on eBay. Did you know that the n y

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Speaker 1: p D broke up the Insane Clown Posse the Juggalos

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Speaker 1: on t RL. Yeah, why this isn't two thousand when

807
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: they were trying to get a single called Let's Go

808
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: All the Way and MTV agreed to play it once

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Speaker 1: in the evening, and then they decided to mobilize the

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Speaker 1: Juggalos to get it on t r L. Mobilizing the

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Speaker 1: Juggalos is never a good thing. Nearly four hundred i

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Speaker 1: c P fans standing outside of t r L with

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Speaker 1: signs supporting the duo and viacom and the NYPD cleared

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Speaker 1: all of them off and got into altercations with the police.

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Speaker 1: All telephone requests for the video to be played were ignored,

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Speaker 1: and Insane Clown Posse were never mentioned again during the show.

817
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: MTV later informed the group's label, Island Records, that the

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Speaker 1: heads of the network must choose the band first before

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Speaker 1: it can become eligible to be featured on t r L.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it, the t r L I

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Speaker 1: C P feud. Well, we discussed fred Durst a moment ago,

822
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Speaker 1: and we cannot mention the limp biscuit front and without

823
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Speaker 1: discussing his most memorable moment on t r L, which

824
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: took place a Memorial Day when he kicked off the

825
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Speaker 1: summer by blowing up a sail boat in the middle

826
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Speaker 1: of his performance of Nookie. You're all ready to blow

827
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Speaker 1: this boat up? Do you remember this? Actually? I do?

828
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Speaker 1: Really yeah? Well, I mean I was a pyro. It

829
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Speaker 1: was a little good so yeah, so this was interesting

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah. Uh. This was shot on location at

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Speaker 1: the Isle of MTV, a k a of the Bahamas,

832
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: and the whole deal was at the crowd and the

833
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: TRL team were now stranded on the island for the

834
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Speaker 1: summer because he blew this boat up. Um. Perhaps not quicidentally,

835
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Speaker 1: this was also the summer of Woodstock, so where fred

836
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Speaker 1: Durst went, explosions and fire followed. And now as we're

837
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Speaker 1: move into our celebrity incident grab bag segment of our

838
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: TRL episode. I also want to recognize Corn, whose videos

839
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Speaker 1: were so reliably stalled at the number three spot, often

840
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Speaker 1: behind boy bands that produces on Tarrell nicknames number three

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Speaker 1: the Corn spot on the Countdown, and there were such

842
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: mainstays that they were invited to the TRL three hour

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00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: finale in two thousand and eight, where they are approached

844
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Speaker 1: by an eighteen year old Taylor Swift, who asked them

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Speaker 1: to sign her commemorative yearbook by gushing I'm a huge

846
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Speaker 1: Corn fan, which is second only to me interviewing Corn

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00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: a few years ago and saying something similar and equally disingenuous.

848
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: Did you say you were a huge Corn fan? I

849
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: didn't say huge, I said, hey, I would have never

850
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: said that. Oh man, I cannot think of have a

851
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: funnier band for you to interview. Was it on Zoomer

852
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: in person so you can listen to it? No, I

853
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: just I was hoping it was in the studio. Are

854
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: they scary to you? Know? They weren't most I remember

855
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: being frightened of them. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, Oh my god. Yeah.

856
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing about like both metal fans and

857
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: metal bands. I remember in one of my last assignments

858
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: at VH one. So it would have been like I

859
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: went on a motor Heads motor boat metal cruise as

860
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: like the soul non metal head on the ship, and

861
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: I was terrified and I looked so obviously lost and

862
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: out of place that I just was immediately. I felt

863
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: like I was like a ward of the state on

864
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: this ship. Were so sweet, so sweet. Oh my god,

865
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: I learned so much. Yeah, it was really cool. And

866
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: if you'd slayer on that, and Carrie King was a

867
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: big sweetheart. Yeah it was nice anyway, but let me

868
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: diet actually interview, let me too. He uh. He gave

869
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: up in the interest of health. He gave up his

870
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: trademark whiskey and coke in favor of something more healthy,

871
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: which was yeah, screw drivers. I remember reading about that.

872
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: God bless oh Man. Anyway, Now we're going to run

873
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: down some of the most memorable moments from tr l's

874
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: glory years in no particular order. Did His appearances on

875
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Tirel were always memorable, and he was usually down for

876
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: whatever because his offices at the time were directly across

877
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: the street in Times Square and Tierra co creator Bob

878
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: Cusbit recalls calling him a moment's notice once and saying

879
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: to him, Hey, we want to play a game where

880
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: we spin the wheel like Wheel of Fortune, and it

881
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: lands on your office, and we moved the entire Tierral

882
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: audience across the street Tier office. His response sold, but

883
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: for my money did. His most memorable appearance took place

884
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: on October two thousand three, when he was supposedly in

885
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: the midst of training for the New York City Marathon,

886
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: and rather than compromise his busy exercise regimen, he spent

887
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: the entire hour long episode on a treadmill, randomly shouting

888
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: out the names of products he was endorsing, while fellow

889
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: guests Britney Spears, wiped the sweat from his brow with

890
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: a towel. We just we don't get television like that anymore.

891
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah. His commitment to the bid was so

892
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: total that he kept jogging even during commercial breaks. Do

893
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 1: you know what his time in the New York City

894
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: Marathon was? I don't know. Four hours, fourteen minutes and

895
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds. That sounds fast for It's not terrible.

896
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Do you know what he's his His goal was to

897
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: finish in under four hours, which he did not, but

898
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: his and his other goal. This is according to Billboard

899
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: in in two thousand three, his other goal was to

900
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: beat Oprah Winfrey's time when she ran the U. S.

901
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: Marine Corps Marathon, and her time was four hours twenty

902
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: nine minutes. So he succeeded in half of his goals.

903
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: On the men's winner did two hours ten minutes, so

904
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: did he was a little under double that, so still

905
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: pretty good all things considered. I was gonna say, did

906
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: Joe Strummer win the marathon or not win? Did Joe

907
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: Strummer finish the marathon when he went to Paris? Paris? Yeah?

908
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: Was this when he like ran away? Like Joe Strummer

909
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: just like vanished for a period and then he surfaced

910
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: in Paris having trained around the Paris Marathon. Um it

911
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: says he ran it after drinking ten beers. But yeah,

912
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: he vanished from being in the clash. He apparently ran

913
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: in twice in the London marathon. Oh he didn't finish

914
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: the Paris one. Ah, just applying quitter mm hmm, calling

915
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Joe Strummer a quitter m well. An appearance that was

916
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: even more surreal on tr L simply by virtue of

917
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: his presence was when Prince dropped by in Apparently Prince,

918
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: or rather the artist formerly known as Prince, wasn't really

919
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: feeling it either, because he showed up to promoter his

920
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: album Rave unto the Joy Fantastic, ten minutes before the

921
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: show was about to end, and considering the entire episode

922
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: of TRL was supposed to be dedicated just to him,

923
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: this caused some problems. Dave Holmes remembers him showing up

924
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: with a massive entourage, including a guy who sold jobs,

925
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: seemed to be holding a massive plastic tub that had

926
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: previously been used to hold cheese balls or something, but

927
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: instead now it had a handwritten sign on it that

928
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: said swear jar and if he took the Lord's name

929
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: in vain, you had to throw some coins in and

930
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: the interview with Carson Daley and Prince got off to

931
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: an awkward start when Carson dared to say to Prince,

932
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: you know we're expecting you a little earlier, so there's

933
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot we have to get through. We don't have

934
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: a lot of time, and Prince said, I don't use time,

935
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and Carson, to his credit, had a good response, so

936
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: what do you use? And Prince pause for a moment

937
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: before replying truth, don't ever try and get a staring contest.

938
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: Prince not blink and Carson, I mean clearly admired Prince

939
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: and he was obviously embarrassed, and he was presenting, you know,

940
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: an artist of Prince's stature on a teen centric music show,

941
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: and he tried his best to gas Princes up by saying,

942
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: you know what an age of disposable music. It's great

943
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: to have, and then Prince immediately cuts him off an

944
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: age of what Carson tried to explain himself, you know,

945
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: an age when music seems to come and go or

946
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: music lasts for a couple of weeks sometimes, to which

947
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: Prince hit back with you don't promote any of that

948
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: disposable music too, And from this point on, Prince spent

949
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: the reminder of the interview pushing Carson's buttons, asking him

950
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: stuff like do you like the music you're playing? And

951
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: you know this makes me admire cars and because beyond

952
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: live TV and have an artist like Prince coming for you,

953
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: and that's not easy, but he handled it like a champ.

954
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, man, if I'm the bartender and I

955
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: don't like Jack and Cokes, I still have to serve

956
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: it up to people because that's my job. It's it's

957
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: a good response. As trl's profile grew bigger, it became

958
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: a semi mandatory press stop for artists and it attracted

959
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: a number of divas. Prince was just one of them.

960
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: Damian Fayhey recalled a stressful appearance by Madonna early in

961
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 1: his tenure on the show, and prior to this, Madonna

962
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: had requested Carson to do all of her interviews and

963
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: if not him, with some old school MTV News mainstay

964
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: like John Norris or Kurt Loder, because they were, you know,

965
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: old friends from the eighties when Madonna was just starting out. Instead,

966
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: this time around, she was stuck with a new guy,

967
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: Damian Fayhey, and she was reportedly very against it, and

968
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: MTV had to work very hard to convince her to

969
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: let him to do the interview. Damian told a story

970
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: in an interview with E News in two thousand eighteen.

971
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: But Donna comes backstage with her ten person entourage. There's

972
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: a person employed in her entourage and their only job

973
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: appeared to be just to hold a bottle of champagne

974
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: and the poor champagne into champagne flutes. Just before she

975
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: goes on television so I went up to her to

976
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: break the ice and said, Hi, I'm Damien. It's an

977
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: honor to get to do this. I'm really really nervous,

978
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: just to let you know off the bat, and she said,

979
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm really nervous too. I get so nervous doing these things,

980
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: and that's why the champagne. Do you want to glass

981
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,479
Speaker 1: of champagne? And I said, from your champagne person, yeah sure,

982
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: And so I drank a glass of champagne with Madonna

983
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: before I went out. But Donna was not alone. Executive

984
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: producer Tim Healy told the ringer, a lot of celebrities

985
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: are a little bit intimidated by coming on TRL for

986
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One, it was live, and too,

987
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: You're standing in front of a studio audience of screaming girls,

988
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to come off as out of touch.

989
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: A lot of them came in with an attitude of

990
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: help me, I don't want to go out there and

991
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: look lame. One of those who did, in fact go

992
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: out there and look lamb was, unfortunately, Selene Dion, who

993
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: was cited by several TRL insiders as one of the

994
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: most awkward guests in the show's history. Comedian Paul Sheer said, quote,

995
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: the audience is just not into her at all. She's

996
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: making jokes like a dad who's like, hey guys, I

997
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: drink beer too. And this is also weird because she

998
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: would have been like thirty at this time. She was

999
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: born in nineteen, so she wasn't like, you know, she's

1000
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: five years longer than us now, but Canada thirty is

1001
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: like us. No, okay, that's fair among them. Sure. Among

1002
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: the fellow nerves stricken celebrities was Brad Pitt, who reportedly

1003
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: paced backstage absolutely terrified prior to being shoved out in

1004
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: front of the camera. Brad Pitt's five years older than

1005
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: Selene dion's' that weird, right? I know? There were some

1006
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: very willing celebrities who were turned down. One of them

1007
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: was Harrison Ford. Of all people who would have been

1008
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: doing what exactly six days, seven seven nights. Yeah, I

1009
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: guess that seems like an MTV friendly thing. According to

1010
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: Bob Cuspitt, Harrison Ford wanted to come on. We were

1011
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: all massive fans, but we knew the kid who wanted

1012
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: to see Justin Timberlake might not buy into Harrison. How

1013
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? You're a Big Star Wars fan. Um, No,

1014
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess that's scans. When did the movies come back out?

1015
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: They were re released in nineties. No that the prequel is.

1016
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: The re release was seven. But I mean, come on,

1017
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: there's Air Force one, there's there's a fugitive rules. I

1018
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: can't believe you're laughing desperate with the idea of like

1019
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: a teeny bopper holding up a sign that's like, Harrison Poor,

1020
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: I'll be your fugitive. You have to admit he's not

1021
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: a very He's not. That's that's accurate to me. I

1022
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: disagree with. Okay, even more confusing, Mel Gibson was invited

1023
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: onto the show. See that's what I mean. I mean,

1024
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was just must have been what

1025
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: women want era, but I was gonna say it had

1026
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: to have been for what women want? Oh man um.

1027
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: And he found it challenging to connect with the teen

1028
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: audience and was in any monosyllabic mood the entire time.

1029
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: For one of the recurring bits on the show, producers

1030
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: asked him to draw a self portrait, and he complied,

1031
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: but underneath wrote, I offer you my decrepit soul, which

1032
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: that feels like a mean thing, but as close as

1033
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to Mel Gibson. Everyone you know,

1034
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: by the way, quickly distance myself there. And speaking of

1035
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: decrepit souls, friend of the pod, decrepit souls, Damien Faye.

1036
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: He may have shared a nice little moment with Madonna,

1037
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: but he has less fond memories of Donald Trump's appearance

1038
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: on the show at the peak of Apprentice mania, they

1039
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: were shooting a comedy bit for Cold Open where Trump

1040
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: was firing the camera guy and he basically acted like

1041
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: a tyrant for real. Damien Fahey later told Billboard before

1042
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: we started, Trump goes, no, no, no, no no, no, this

1043
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: isn't happening. I need that camera to stand out on

1044
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: an Apple box. I don't like a low camera. He

1045
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: said something about how it didn't make him look good.

1046
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: I remember this phrase specifically. I'm a guy who likes

1047
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: a high camera. That's not a thing. He was a

1048
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: total egomaniac monster. On a similar note, we cannot forget

1049
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: the moment when Ben Affleck sexually assaulted the host Hillary

1050
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: Burton on camera in front of the live audience. Tom

1051
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: Cruise he came by the show in two thousand and three,

1052
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: and uh when hard for Joss Stone, the Bronze medalist

1053
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: of British white soul singers. She was before him all

1054
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: though thin well I mean of that class. Well I

1055
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: was gonna say Dusty Street thanks to different Um, yeah,

1056
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's true anyway. Uh. The day following his appearance,

1057
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Speaker 1: the MTV office has got a giant box full of

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Speaker 1: john Stone's debut CD with a note reading something like

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Speaker 1: check it out, love Tom Cruise, Like they wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: had those. That's that's what I love. This would be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they probably don't have those. Um, let me let me

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Speaker 1: go up and beyond for them. A couple of days later,

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Speaker 1: with one of Shelly miskab Just Fingers VJ la La

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Speaker 1: Anthony recalled that Tom asked her to teach him to

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Speaker 1: TRK on air. Okay, yeah, it seems like something you'd try. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He was very down in this era. I feel like

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Speaker 1: with anything, he feel like he was just down to

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Speaker 1: go on TV and do whatever Like this was. This

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01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: is prime couch jumping era, I believe. Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's true. Um. As the boy band craze began to

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: fade a few years into the New Millennium, MTV began

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: to focus more on hip hop, Nellie's fifty eminem and

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01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: of course, jay Z jay Z and Beyonce made what

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Speaker 1: many scholars of the era believed to be their debut

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Speaker 1: as a couple during a November two thousand two episode

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Speaker 1: of t r O when they performed Oh three Bonnie

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Speaker 1: and Clyde in semi matching denim out outfits, which may

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Speaker 1: or may not have been a nod to Justin Brittany's

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Speaker 1: iconic denim cow person look cow Poke Look, which was

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: not at the mt V v M as that was

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Speaker 1: at the American Music Awards. Destiny's Child made their farewell

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Speaker 1: appearance on a two thousand five episode of t r L.

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01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: They had announced the breakup during a stop in Spain

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Speaker 1: on their tour supporting their album Destiny Fulfilled, admitting that

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Speaker 1: that title was not an accident, and then they sent

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Speaker 1: a follow up letter to MTV explaining the decision, before

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Speaker 1: stopping with TRL to say goodbye to fans who were

1088
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 1: given an opportunity to tell what this meant to them.

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Speaker 1: One young woman named Dominique gave a tearful things to

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Speaker 1: the group for inspiring her to dance and pursue dreams

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Speaker 1: in college. M that's nice even because like it's Terry.

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Speaker 1: It's just like the most emotional I've ever seen her.

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Speaker 1: M hm. Can I say that is that? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's true. Well, it's impossible to underestimate tr

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Speaker 1: l's role in launching Eminem. They debuted his video for

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: My Name Is on January one, setting the stage for

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Speaker 1: his first appearance on the show six weeks later. And

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01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: this was a pivotal moment in r l's history because

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01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: it showed that this platform had the power not merely

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Speaker 1: to launch prepackaged teen acts, but also more controversial artists

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Speaker 1: that are kind of a harder sell to the public

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Speaker 1: at large. Eminem had a complicated relationship with t r L. Well,

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Speaker 1: he appreciated that allowed him to interact with fans, hence

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Speaker 1: his tearful response to seeing the crowds that line Times Square.

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: He was also uncomfortable with the show biz element of it.

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Speaker 1: Damien Faye he later said, I remember Eminem sitting on

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Speaker 1: the couch by himself, sort of head down, like he

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Speaker 1: didn't want to talk to anybody. I was just like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a man who doesn't want to talk to anyone.

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Speaker 1: So I think I'm just going to leave him alone,

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: but then you know, he gets out there and he's debonair.

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Speaker 1: Eminem even took over hosting duties in two thousand to

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Speaker 1: promote the release of The Marshall Mathers LP, memorably banishing

1114
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: Carson Daily to the sidewalk outside. And also he showed

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01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: off his uh Olympic class self deprecation by telling fans

1116
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Speaker 1: my album sucks. I appreciate that. Emma and I'm famously

1117
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Speaker 1: started lyrical feuse with many of the t r O

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Speaker 1: heavy hitters Britney Spears, Christina AGUILERALYMP Biscuit, to name but

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Speaker 1: a few. But he used his time on Tarrel to

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Speaker 1: start a real life feud with Mark Wahlberg, which is

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01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: something that I truly don't remember, but apparently Mark Wahlberg

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01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: was in the midst of trying to launch his acting

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Speaker 1: career in This must have been just after Boogie Nights

1124
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: and he really wanted to separate himself from his Marky

1125
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Speaker 1: Mark and the Funky Bunch rap career in the early nineties.

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01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: Emma m was not going to let this rebrand fly.

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01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: When Mark asked where he should stand when he came

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Speaker 1: onto the live TV set, Eminem told him, We'll just

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Speaker 1: all stand together like a happy, fun bunch, which was

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01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: just a little too close to comfort to Mark's rap past.

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: A close listen to the interview will reveal Mark muttering

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01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: acid under his breath. Eminem would take another dig at

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Speaker 1: marky Mark on his two thousand Marshall Matthews LP track

1134
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Speaker 1: Drug ballad, which features the line back with Mark Wahlberg

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01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:36,959
Speaker 1: was markis Mark followed by a homophobic slur Amazingally, Mark

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Speaker 1: Wilberg back down. Not something that I ever expected Mark

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Speaker 1: Wahlberg to do, And in two thousands seventeen interview with

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Speaker 1: g Q, he said, Eminem is a very cool guy,

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01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: very talented. Yes, I did not give him credit for

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: that a very long time ago, but I was a

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: hater because he was a better rapper than me, which

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01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: is true. But the TRL crowd loved markis Mark. Vanessa Manilo,

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: who met her husband Nicholas Shay and she was a

1144
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: VJ on the show between two thousand five and two

1145
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: thousand and six, recalled interviewing Mark Wahlberg when a girl

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: in the audience rushed the stage during a live broadcast

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Speaker 1: and checked Vanessa out of the way. She told the

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Speaker 1: news and all of a sudden, I'm interviewing Mark Wallberg

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Speaker 1: and you hear this thump, and both of us looked

1150
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: to the left, and this girl jumped out of the bleachers.

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01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: I run behind Mark Wahlberg. Later on, everybody made fun

1152
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: of me. They said, it's your show, you should protect him.

1153
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: But I'm like, he's Marky Mark. The guy has a

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Speaker 1: thirty pack and muscles. What am I going to do

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: to protect him? So I ran behind him. This woman

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Speaker 1: jumps up and hockey checks me out of the way,

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01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: and then just bear hugs him and again he's Mark Wahlberg.

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01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: But he couldn't pull her grip off of him, and

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: I was like, we're going for a short break, We'll

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: be right back by. Security had to pride this woman

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Speaker 1: off of him, and MTV tried to persuade Mark the

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Speaker 1: press charges, but he refused, and as Mark later admitted

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01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: during his final TRL appearance in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't other by the encounter except for one minor detail.

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01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: He said, quote, but one thing that was disturbing was

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01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: she had a pin on that said God is not

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: real and I still pray for her. That's really the

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Speaker 1: best quotequota of this We're going to take a quick break,

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Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more too much information

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: in just a moment, And now we've arrived. Surely must

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01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: be the most infamous moment t r L history ju

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: when t r L Studios had an unexpected visitor in

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01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: the form of Mariah Carey. Over the last twenty years,

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: this moment has earned a justifiable probably reputation as the

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: native of her mental health struggles during the Glitter era.

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: And um, what's actually I was gonna say, It's not

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Speaker 1: like I guess maybe we've just become so desensitized to

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: uh on air mental illness. Yeah, especially with social media. Now, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I don't know, do you want to

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: expand on that? Um, I mean I don't know. This

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: is pre any wine house, pre Britney Spears, pre Paris Hilton,

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan struggling with substance abuse problems. I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like, I don't know. She kind of

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: did something a little cookie but like within the realm

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01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: of like I don't know, giving out ice cream the fans.

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01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, And she took off a T shirt

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: to reveal another shirt underneath, Like I don't know, it

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: just kind of seems like, all right, I mean, I'm

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01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: sad that as well. Here in a moment she like

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: was getting three hours asleep at this time and suffered

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01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: from severe insomnia as a result of what was most

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 1: certainly undiagnosed by polar disorder at that time. But yeah,

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: in terms of what she did, not that crazy. Yeah,

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01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: for those of you who do not remember the moment,

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01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: Carson is getting ready to cut to commercial and then

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Speaker 1: he hears Mariah offstage singing lover Boy and says, with

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Speaker 1: genuine belider min, what the hell is that? It's pretty

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01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: cret that's actually my favorite part. And then Mariah comes

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Speaker 1: on stage pushing her ice cream cart, hugs a bunch

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01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: of fans, waves to the crowd, takes off her T shirt,

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01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: which has another T shirt under it, tells Carson, every

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01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: now and then, somebody needs a little therapy, and today

1203
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: is that moment for me. And then she talks a

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01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: little bit about ice cream. She's saying, ice cream is important,

1205
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: the little things. You can have drama all day long whatever.

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 1: We all do these things. But the problem is if

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Speaker 1: you don't have ice cream in your life, sometimes you

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: might just go a little bit crazy. She just wanted

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01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 1: a little sweet this in her life. It's like actually

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01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: pretty tender when you step backs that line from Psycho, Well,

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: do we all go a little crazy sometimes? God? Uh,

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01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: she wanted to tell Carson, I just went one day

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01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: off when I can go swimming and eat ice cream

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01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: and look at rainbows and maybe like learn how to

1215
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Speaker 1: ride a bicycle. She told another interview around the same

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: time period that she saw from insomnia was getting about

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Speaker 1: three hours of sleep at night, as you mentioned, a

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Speaker 1: probably symptom of her bipolar disorder that she discussed with

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: People magazine in She had been on TRL just two

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Speaker 1: weeks earlier to promote the upcoming soundtrack to the film Glitter.

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Speaker 1: Were they released on the same time? I thought they were.

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01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: I thought they I think because I think what happened

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: was after this incident, they actually delayed the release of

1224
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,520
Speaker 1: Glitter by three weeks pretty much as a direct response

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01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: to this incident. Um And so they when she showed

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01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: up this time around, they had to figure out what

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Speaker 1: they wanted to do differently. Producer Dieger Connelly told the

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Speaker 1: ringer it was sort of like, Okay, how does this

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Speaker 1: appearance become different than her being here? Last week or

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago or whatever. Oh, you could bring ice

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Speaker 1: cream out in surprise the fans. They won't know that

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: you're here. It's special. And it kind of grew out

1233
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: of that idea that kind of mixing it up. This

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01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: was more spontaneous. I actually think, frankly, as we were

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Speaker 1: watching it, I don't think that we would have anticipated

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01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 1: talking about it fifteen years later. It seemed like, oh, fun,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting, this is different. It wasn't like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, what's happening. But days after the appearance, Carrie

1239
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: had begun posting troubling voice notes to her website. One

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: of them read, I'm trying to understand things in life

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Speaker 1: right now, so I don't really feel that I should

1242
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: be doing music right now. What I'd like to do

1243
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 1: is just take a little break or at least get

1244
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: one night of sleep without someone popping up about a video.

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01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: All I really want is to just be me, and

1246
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 1: that's what I should have done in the first place.

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't say this much, but guess what, I don't

1248
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Speaker 1: take care of myself. Her management quickly scrubbed the messages

1249
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Speaker 1: from her website, commenting that she was obviously exhausted and

1250
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: not thinking clearly when she posted them. Within days of

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01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: the t r L appearance, Carrie's publicist had told MTV

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,919
Speaker 1: that she was hospitalized in Connecticut with extreme exhaustion, remaining

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: in a doctor's care for two weeks, and she stayed

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: out of the spotlight for months after and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the release of Glitter was delayed for three weeks to

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Speaker 1: nine eleven. I think a little afternoun eleven. Well back

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Speaker 1: to the music. Mariah Carey has more than her share

1258
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: of music chart milestones over the years, including the record

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Speaker 1: for the most number ones by a solo artist, so

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: this seems like a good way as any to transition

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 1: into trl's heaviest hitters. The producers of the show found

1262
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: that one of the hazards of having a daily request

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: countdown show was at the same songs were topping the

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Speaker 1: chart week after week after week. To ensure a little

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Speaker 1: more variety, they instituted a rule than any video that

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Speaker 1: spent sixty five days on the countdown was to be

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Speaker 1: sent to the video retirement home. And as much as

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Speaker 1: I'd love to give you a moneyball like stat breakdown

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Speaker 1: of all the retired videos and the longest running Tier

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: al chart records. It was actually pretty hard to run

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Speaker 1: these numbers down. The most detailed sites are actually old

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01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: Geo Cities or Angel five pages that stop around two

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Speaker 1: thousand four and it appears that many of the other

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01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: fan sites devoted to telling these stats have followen Victim

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Speaker 1: to the dreaded digital rot uh So I believe I

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: can't say this was absolute certainty, but I think there

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01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: were a hundred and sixty five videos that were retired

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: and honorably removed from TERRL competition. But again I have

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: been unable to definitively peck that. However, I have been

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01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: able to confirm that the longest running number one in

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01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: tr L history is Shape of My Heart by the

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01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys, which ran for sixty one days at the

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01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: top of the charts. And this is according to grimmy

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01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: dot com and MTV dot com, who also state that

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: Backstreet Boys have five of the six longest running video

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Speaker 1: number ones of all time. The silver medal is Larger

1287
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: than Life, and a Backstreet Boys fan site have said

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01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: that they have ten different number one songs on t

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Speaker 1: r L. Other long running number ones on t r

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: L are Bye Bye Bye by in Sync, which comes

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01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: in at number three. Yeah, by Usher featuring Little John

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: and Ludacrous hit the top spot thirty times, and the

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01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: anthem by Good Charlotte was number one for twenty nine days.

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Speaker 1: That is strange. I don't remember the Anthems being that

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01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: big of a song, but okay, yeah, I would have

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01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: thought it was put that obnoxious song. Lifestyle is rich

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: and famous. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we can't talk

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Speaker 1: about RL video retirement without mentioning the bum bum song. Yes,

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01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: Tom Green's absurdist asked anthem hit the top spot on

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Speaker 1: August after just five days on tr L, and no

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 1: sooner did it hit number one? Did Tom opt to

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: retire the video, telling tr L quote it's not fair

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: to ninety eight decrees. However, years later, in his autobiography

1304
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: Hollywood Causes Cancer, Tom revealed that he had been pressured

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01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: to withdraw the video because that next week's shows had

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: been pre taped on location and and the producers didn't

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01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: think to include the bum Bumps song and its rotation

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: when they taped them in advance. So in order to

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01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: preserve the illusion that t RL was a completely live show,

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01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: Tom had to take a dive, and then Drew Barrymore

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: left him tough breaks all around. Well. Speaking of retirement,

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Speaker 1: we got to talk about Carson Daily stepping down as

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Speaker 1: the host of TRL. He remained with the show until

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Speaker 1: two thousand three, it's fifth year of existence, by which

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01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: point he gotten basically too busy trying to make the

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 1: leap from teen TV to late night adult television with

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01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: NBC's Last Call with Carson Daily, which ran from January

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 1: all the way until May, and then he parlayed that

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01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: into a correspondent gig on The Today Show and producing

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01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: and hosting The Voice, as well as an occasional NBC

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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve hosts. So he did good. Carson explained

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: his reasons for leaving t r L an interview with

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: E News, and I left because MTV really made a

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Speaker 1: decision to stop focusing on music, and that's why I

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01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: was there. So in my time, I'll always cherish it

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01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 1: for the artists that we were able to break. We

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01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: took My Name is the M and M Video pretty

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01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: much away from the music department, and TIREL owned it

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: and stood behind Eminem who we felt was going to

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01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: be an important artist when even MTV wouldn't. Those sorts

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01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: of things are things I'm really proud of. I always

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: wanted t r L to feel like my home, even

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01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: if it was videos MTV wasn't playing. I wanted to

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: make sure that artists knew that t r L was

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01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 1: their home and it had that feel, and then I

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01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: stopped watching. So when Carson left in two thousand and three,

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01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,759
Speaker 1: this left MTV executives with the unenviable task of finding

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01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: a new TRL host, and apparently they initially considered Nick Cannon.

1339
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: They tried to get him on board as the new Carson,

1340
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: but he was too busy trying to get his movie

1341
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: career off the ground. Which was he in Drumline? I'm

1342
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: trying to remember what he was in. Yeah, that's kind

1343
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 1: of all I remember. Tyrrell co creator Tony De Santo

1344
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: later said when Carson left the show, I was reluctant

1345
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: to replace him because I thought, no matter how good

1346
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 1: any host was stepping into that role and invite immediate comparisons,

1347
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: and knowing that it takes a while for a host

1348
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: to get into a rhythm on a show like this,

1349
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want to undo negative attention to derail that process.

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01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 1: The show, of course, had to go on, So what

1351
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: I decided then was not to replace Carson with a host,

1352
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: but rather have tr L reconfigured to be hosted by

1353
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: an ensemble, each bringing something new to the table. And

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01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: that's when you get Damian Fayhey, Hillary Burton, Vanessa La

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 1: Shay who was then known as Vanessa Manilo Quidas, who

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not, I'm not familiar. It was then

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01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: known as La La Basquez, and Susie Castillo. I don't

1358
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: remember her either. Despite this whole hosting by committee edict,

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: Damian Fayhey was basically seen as Carson two point oh,

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: and he admitted as much later, telling the News, I

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01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: was seen by other people as Carson's leaving. This is

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 1: the new white guy with the exact aim facial hair,

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: on the same height as Carson. He's going to be

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: the next Carson. And this fostered a bit of competition

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01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: between the VJs, which was stopping short of it all

1366
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 1: out feud seemed to add kind of a weird energy

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01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: to the set, a sexual one. It's It's generally accepted

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,440
Speaker 1: that the glory days of TRL ended with Carson's departure

1369
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: in two thousand three. Backstraight Boys were on decline and

1370
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 1: SYNC had already broken up and perhaps most importantly, the

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01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: Internet was becoming more prevalent, making it easy to access music,

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: and then, following the launch of YouTube in February of

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 1: two five videos, instantly you no longer had to call

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01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: into a TV network to see your favorite video. Oh

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01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: you had to do was Google it or go to

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01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: their MySpace. My Space, yeah, because yeah, that would that

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01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: would probably be the other thing. Oh yeah, no, just

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: because my Space, like my high school band experience was

1379
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: like getting in touch with like bands on my Space,

1380
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,879
Speaker 1: like the like no d I Y punk my Space

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01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: thing was huge because you remember, like my Space had

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01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: so much music linked into it that Facebook didn't, um,

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01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: because you could have songs playing and you could you know,

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01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: you have all the customizing of the page. So you

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01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: don't know, not a thing for you. Yeah, I didn't really.

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01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: I didn't have a my Space, which I'm sure is

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01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: shocking to no one. Um, So I didn't really know

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01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: what you could and couldn't do with it. I mean,

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01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 1: the most that I really knew as a way to

1390
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: personalize your social media at that point with any being

1391
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: related to music was you know, away messages with song lyrics. Now,

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01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: I remember being a big thing of like bands that

1393
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: were coming to like the all ages venue, you know,

1394
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: like finding out that they were on my Space and

1395
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 1: like in charge of their own site, you know, and

1396
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: people like, I mean this is like that kind of

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01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: rings a bell, like he doesn't four five yeah yeah um,

1398
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: and then finding out that they used it to scam

1399
01:20:56,120 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: underage girls. Um. In a sense, MTV was a victim

1400
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: of its own I want my MTV ethos. The public

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: wanted what it wanted when it wanted it. This sowed

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01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: the seeds for kids no longer using linear television at all,

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01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: but consuming media on demand on their computers and eventually phones,

1404
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 1: eliminating the appeal for a show that aired one specific time.

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: Even t r l's ability to premier music videos was

1406
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: undercut by videos frequently leaking online, eliminating any urgency to

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: tune into the show. By the time You Two had

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01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: launched in two thousand five, trl's viewership sagged to four

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01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: hundred thousand, half of what it had been in its

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01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 1: prime six years earlier. To put that in perspective, at

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01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: the time The Hills was getting four million or ten

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: times t r l's numbers, and then Osborne's was what

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01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: two thousand one too. That would Yeah, that's the other

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: big thing at this time. TRL didn't exactly do themselves

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01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: any favors when they stopped playing full music videos around

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: the time, which brought back the old cries of why

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01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: is an MTV playing music. They also instituted change is

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: in the video selection process in two thousand six, as

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01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: the longtime phone hotline was discontinued and voting was limited

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: to registered members of MTV dot com. That was a

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01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: great decision, Damien Fahey later said, there were a lot

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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: of these meetings. We're not getting the ratings we used

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01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: to get. Kids want the multi screen, multi platform experience.

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01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,719
Speaker 1: Once we started trying to make the show like the Internet,

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01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: I said, oh god, this isn't good, smart man. The

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: only other thing that t r O really had going

1427
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: for it was the chance to see your favorite artists

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01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: relatively unfiltered during their interviews, and this was overtaken by

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01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,720
Speaker 1: the increasingly prevalent reality shows on MTV, which, as we

1430
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: mentioned on our episode about the Osbourne, was they're doing.

1431
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: By the mid two thousand's, MTV began de emphasizing music

1432
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: and music videos in favor of original reality programming. That

1433
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: signaled their attempts at becoming a lifestyle network. These shows

1434
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: were doing ten times the numbers that t r A

1435
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: was getting. Hence the glood of things like My Super

1436
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: Sweet Sixteen, Laguna Beach, The Real Orange County, Making the Band,

1437
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: and of course Jersey. Sure, but impart remember that YouTube

1438
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: wasn't just a delivery mechanism for labels, but also a

1439
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: platform for creators. Yes, and this is when you get

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01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: the era of the clickbait music video, When basically bands

1441
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: are taking their reins of their own video creation and

1442
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: distribution into their own hands. You get stuff like Okay

1443
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Goes video for here it Goes Again getting forty million

1444
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: streams on YouTube with barely any help from MTV, And

1445
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 1: so by the late two thousands, it became obvious that

1446
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,879
Speaker 1: MTV was no longer necessary to break songs or even artists.

1447
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: YouTube stars social media stars became the new dominant order

1448
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: of music celebrity. David George, the show's final executive producer,

1449
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: told Billboard, I knew the show was done when Justin

1450
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Bieber came around. He was the first mega artist who

1451
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 1: was not broken by t r L. He broke t

1452
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: r O. He proved t r L was no longer

1453
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: necessary It's really kind of crazy to think about how

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01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: long tyrrel survived in the world that really had no

1455
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 1: use for it. I mean it survived until late night television.

1456
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean at least late night television is

1457
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of like a breeding ground for like viral video clips.

1458
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: T r L is the opposite. Tr L was a

1459
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: extremely inconvenient place to kill things that you could just

1460
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: watch on the Internet anytime you wanted. Tral survived until

1461
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, but three years of YouTube and one

1462
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: year of iPhones had taken its toll, and in November

1463
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: sixteenth of that year, Tirel wrapped up its initial run

1464
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: after ten years and two thousand, two hundred and forty

1465
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: seven episodes. When did the iPhone come out? Two seven?

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01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: Summer two seven? I know, all right, that is not

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01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: my memory of it, remember that very well? Oh man.

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01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I started seeing kids have them until

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: like two thousand nine ten. I knew a few people.

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01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: They were always like the very you know, cutting edge

1471
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: of technology. People had him around like two thousand nine.

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Speaker 1: I remember, are we better off? No? But at least

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Speaker 1: r O went out with a bang, which is more

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Speaker 1: than could be said for a lot of the network's

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Speaker 1: most beloved programs, like The Osbourne's Jackass, Peoples and butt Head,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. MTV did r L right and said farewell

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Speaker 1: with a star studded three hours special, which struck many

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Speaker 1: as akin to a high school graduation. Carson dalely came back,

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Speaker 1: as did a host of other mtvvjs, including Jesse Camp,

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Speaker 1: who had basically fallen out of the spotlight at this

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Speaker 1: point and was last heard from as working in an

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Speaker 1: l A pet shop in two thousand and six. Beyonce

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Speaker 1: kicked off proceedings by striding into the studio and declaring

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Speaker 1: total finale, Live starts now, before performing a medley of

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Speaker 1: her hits that included If I Were a Boy, Single,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and Crazy and Love They're also performance is by

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Speaker 1: Fallout Boy, Ludicrous, Nellie, Backstreet Boys, Snoop Dogg, and fifty Cent,

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Speaker 1: and a whole slew of tr All stars of the

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Speaker 1: New and Old era turned up to say goodbye. You

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Speaker 1: had Taylor Swift, Hilary Duff, and Miley Cyrus representing the

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Speaker 1: New Guard, with Taylor collecting autographs in her tyr L

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Speaker 1: yearbook and Miley Cyrus manning the famous photo booth. It's

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Speaker 1: so weird to think of Taylor Swift overlapping with the

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Speaker 1: TRL era, but I guess she did. Yeah. They're also Corn,

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock, Diddy, Justin Timberlake and J. C. Chaz A

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Speaker 1: representing the old Guard of tr L and Good Charlotte

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Speaker 1: the Middle Guard say a thousand three four Yeah, eminem

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Speaker 1: and Christina Aguilera made appearances via satellite, and Justin Timberlake

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Speaker 1: told Carson, you know, this is like a big high

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Speaker 1: school reunion. I feel like we all grew up together.

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Speaker 1: And the final show allowed fans to vote on the

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Speaker 1: top ten most iconic videos ever, and all videos were

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Speaker 1: released from the retire at home and up for consideration

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Speaker 1: at this point. So let's do a little countdown now.

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Speaker 1: Number ten two thousand three Outcasts, Hey ya use alternate two?

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Speaker 1: What's my age again? Number eight from two thousand four

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Speaker 1: US you're featuring Ludacrous and Little John. Yeah. Number seven

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Speaker 1: two thousand three Beyonce featuring jay Z, Crazy and Love.

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01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: That should have been higher. Number six from Kid Rock.

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Speaker 1: I can't even say it, thank no, not at all. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get this. You don't remember ball with

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Speaker 1: a ball to bang to bang, DIGGI diggy, but I

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Speaker 1: mean I know the song, I just can't say it

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Speaker 1: sounded out ba with a ba okay. I go my

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Speaker 1: god it thank you alight, carry on. Number five Christina

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Speaker 1: Aguilar featuring Redman Dirty from two thousand two. Number four

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Speaker 1: from two thousand instincts, Bye Bye Bye. That should have

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Speaker 1: been a lot higher toll. Number three Backstreet Boys, I

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01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: wanted that way. Number two from two thousand, Eminem's The

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Speaker 1: Real Slim Shady, and number one justifiably Britney Spears Baby

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Speaker 1: One more Time, Hell Yeah, and then it was over.

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Speaker 1: At the end of two thousand nine, MTV abandoned the

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Speaker 1: lease on their iconic Times Squares studio and within a

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Speaker 1: year it was part of an arapostyle, which is how

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Speaker 1: it was when I first arrived at MTV for my

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Speaker 1: first day on the job. It went back to being well.

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Speaker 1: MTV eventually reclaimed the studio space at some point during

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Speaker 1: my time there, and then when they relaunched TRL in

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Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, they I think used the same studios,

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Speaker 1: and I think now it's just I believe it's an

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Speaker 1: MTV studio. Still I'm not sure what it's for, but

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Speaker 1: d M and m Store. But yes, I just mentioned

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Speaker 1: the TRAL reboot, which, um, you know I had friends

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Speaker 1: who worked on that, So I will, for the most

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Speaker 1: part plead the fifth. I will say it was an

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Speaker 1: idea whose time had passed long since passed by, and

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Speaker 1: the reboot failed. For all the reasons that t r

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Speaker 1: L went off the air in two thousand eight. You

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Speaker 1: know there's no reason for that type of show to

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Speaker 1: exist anymore. Allow me to quote from me a Vulture

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Speaker 1: article called Why does the TRL Reboot Exist? Written by

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Speaker 1: de Lockett. The piece includes a series of questions, why

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01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: does the show exist? Who is the show for? Where

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01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: is the countdown? What are we even supposed to request?

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01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Will it always have this much bleeping? Why did they

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01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: talk about Carson Daley like he's dead? How will the

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01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: show handle serious news? How will it pretend the Internet

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist? This piece is able to answer any of

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Speaker 1: these questions, Hence why the new version of TRL became

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Speaker 1: watered down and mutated out of existence. We touched on

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Speaker 1: this at the top of the episode, but there are

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Speaker 1: many who feel that the decade TRL aired from two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight was essentially the only time that the

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Speaker 1: show could have ever thrived Damian Faye. He made in

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Speaker 1: astute point to E News. He said tr L secret

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Speaker 1: sauce was connection with artists. I think nowadays there's Instagram.

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01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: You can watch Cardi b Do alive, insta story. You

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01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: can watch any of your favorite artists capture mundane portions

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Speaker 1: of their life on their phone. You can watch it

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01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: all at any given moment, twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 1: watch any music videos on YouTube. Back in the day,

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Speaker 1: we didn't have that. Tr L was getting as close

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Speaker 1: as possible to your favorite stars and that was it.

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Speaker 1: And speaking to NPR immediately prior to the show's finale

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Speaker 1: in two thousand eight, journalists Lizzie Goodman, who wrote the

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Speaker 1: wonderful oral history of the New York rock scene Meet

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Speaker 1: Me in the Bathroom, echoed what I said earlier, or

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Speaker 1: I guess I echoed her. I don't know. I'm tired.

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Speaker 1: It's midnight my time. The famous first video that aired

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Speaker 1: on NTV is video killed the radio star. This is

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01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: like Internet killed the video star. What's really changing is

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Speaker 1: for artists who have relied on big, brash, spectacle music

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01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: videos to not just define their career, but to move

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Speaker 1: it along, to allow it to evolve, they're in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Madonna could not become a Donna from this platform today.

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Speaker 1: But the good news is that all these other young,

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Speaker 1: struggling acts who would have been considered very fringe before

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Speaker 1: and who would have never been able to afford to

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Speaker 1: make a real music video, are now, thanks to technology

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Speaker 1: and thanks to changing interest and listening and viewing, able

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Speaker 1: to be contenders in that realm. And I'd like to

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Speaker 1: give the final word to TRL co creator Bob qus Bit,

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Speaker 1: who I think I've pronounced his name differently every single

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Speaker 1: time I've said it. On this episode, he said, when

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Speaker 1: we look back at it, they will never be as

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Speaker 1: pure and as fun and as happy a ride or

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Speaker 1: a time him as when Tirel was at it. Sceni,

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Speaker 1: it was just the greatest ride you could ever have

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Speaker 1: in pop television. What do you think? I don't have

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Speaker 1: anything to add to that. You know, it's a high

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Speaker 1: water mark first for two mediums, recorded music and television.

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Speaker 1: Ah grim uh. Thanks for listening. Stream BTS, stream i

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Speaker 1: c P was robbed. I c P was robbed. Justice

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Speaker 1: have to say about that. Tell them who you are,

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Speaker 1: Alex Agle. This has been too much information and I

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Speaker 1: have Jordan run Tug. We'll catch you next time. Too

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Speaker 1: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk.

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Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June. The show

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