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Speaker 1: Rhett Brian, and we are ready to dive in to

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Speaker 1: Draft week. Leading it off with the linebackers. Do you

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Speaker 1: call these the off ball linebackers?

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Speaker 2: Off ball linebackers?

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Speaker 1: All right? Rett Brian, take us through the top five

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Speaker 1: that you and coach Mack have come up with of

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Speaker 1: off ball linebackers. At number five, Cedric Gray, North Carolina

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Speaker 1: at number four, Jeremiah Trotter Junior Clemson at number three,

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Speaker 1: Junior Colson Michigan at number two, Peyton Wilson, North Carolina State,

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Speaker 1: And at number one, Eddrian Cooper Texas A and M.

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Speaker 1: I was very interested to see why you went number

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Speaker 1: one with Cooper from Texas A and M. Coach athlete.

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Speaker 2: He's a he's a running hit guy, He's an he's

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Speaker 2: an off the ball. He's a spaceline backer. He's a

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Speaker 2: he's a he's a running hit guy. And and to me,

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Speaker 2: you know, six two two thirty four five one for

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Speaker 2: thirty four and a half vertical. But he just he's

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Speaker 2: sudden on the field. He's very, very sudden. Now he's

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Speaker 2: got to clean up his eyes and he's also got

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Speaker 2: a clean up. I mean, he'll he'll jump a rabbit quick.

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Speaker 2: And so he's gonna have to learn that. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: and D, which is key in diagnosed. But I just

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Speaker 2: like the athleticism. That's why I have him there, all right.

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Speaker 2: Junior Coulson from from the Franklin era, Oh absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: Junior Colson to me is the quintessential middle linebacker. Quintessential

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Speaker 2: middle linebacker, six two, two hundred and thirty eight pounds

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Speaker 2: four or five eight and the forty He had a

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Speaker 2: right hand at his pro day. But I like this player.

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Speaker 2: He's a very aware player. He's a very alert. All

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Speaker 2: of these linebackers, let me just say this, having coach

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Speaker 2: linebackers for a few years in the National Football League,

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Speaker 2: every one of them that comes into this league, the

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Speaker 2: first thing you've got to do is put them on

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Speaker 2: a one man slid and teach them how to shoot

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Speaker 2: their hands and shock and shed and get off a

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Speaker 2: block because they're so used because of the space game

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Speaker 2: as just running running behind blocks, you know, trying to

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Speaker 2: track things down. You. I mean, I learned this from

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Speaker 2: Mike Singletary. We used to have a buck board at

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Speaker 2: the Bears when I first got there, with sand in

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what is that now?

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Speaker 2: It's a stationary board with a pad on it and

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Speaker 2: then sand, a sand pit where your feet would be,

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Speaker 2: long horizontal board. It was set up right outside the

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Speaker 2: linebacker's workout spot up there in Lake Forest. And every

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Speaker 2: when I got there. You know, my Singletary was really

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Speaker 2: big on pre practice drills, so you know I would

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Speaker 2: ask Mike Singletary which I should have, What do you do?

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Speaker 1: What do you like?

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Speaker 2: Here's kind of what I like to get to coach.

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Speaker 2: We got to do the buck board every day because

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Speaker 2: your hands, you got to be able to shoot your hands,

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Speaker 2: get off blocks, shoot your hands, get off blocks, and

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Speaker 2: then you put the sandpit in there to make it

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Speaker 2: a little bit harder. As far as the movement stuff,

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Speaker 2: shock shed, shock shed. I think if you'll ask Keith Bullock,

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Speaker 2: you asked David Thornton, any of the linebackers I coached here.

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Speaker 2: I mean they knew immediately when we build the practice field,

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Speaker 2: because that's so important and most linebackers coming out of

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Speaker 2: the collegiate game need to learn how to use their

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Speaker 2: hands in the National Football League because offensive linemen are

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Speaker 2: so much more athletic than the majority of linemen they

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Speaker 1: So anyway, coach Mack mentioned the buck boardt did you

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Speaker 1: know what that was? Not until right now? I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that you maybe feel so much better. Yeah, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: you know who Peyton Wilson is from North Carolina State.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely uh. And if it weren't for the medical stuff

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Speaker 3: he's had all kinds of stuff, he might be the

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Speaker 3: a good tackler, good good tackler, four hundred tackles in college,

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Speaker 3: forty eight tackles for lost, fifteen quarterback sacks, and just

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Speaker 3: just got the medical things. And if he checks out,

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. There won't be any linebackers taken in

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Speaker 3: the first round. Uh, these are all going to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And and Peyton Wilson, he is he is a quintessential stackbacker,

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Speaker 2: especially on the will side on week side, because when

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Speaker 2: you watch tape on him, I mean he can chase

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Speaker 2: I mean he really can't. He is fast, fast, fast,

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Speaker 2: He's got long arms. He needs to use how to

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Speaker 2: learn those better. But he does have a pretty extensive

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Speaker 2: injury history, which will which will which will factor a

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Speaker 2: lot in. But if you just watch him, this was

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Speaker 2: his this was a good year for him. But he

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Speaker 2: shows up on tape running past people to get to

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Speaker 2: the ball carrier espacely in chase mode.

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Speaker 1: Injury history with the guy who takes contact on every

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Speaker 1: about Michael Pennix Junior, the quarterback from Washington and his

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Speaker 1: injury history at Indiana. I mean, it's concerning, but the

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Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't get pummeled on every play. He isn't running

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Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL is yeah, and it reminds me.

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Speaker 1: His situation reminds me a whole lot. The linebacker from

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Speaker 1: similar because vander Esh had injury issues, you know, with

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Speaker 2: Dallas took a chance on him. He had some really

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Speaker 2: good years, but he was always in and out in

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Speaker 2: it and finally it caught up to him. But Peyton

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Speaker 2: Wilson athletically is what you want in space.

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Speaker 1: Dave McGinnis coach linebackers in the NFL. So, outside of

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Speaker 1: the top five, who is your favorite of the twenty

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Speaker 2: Trevin Wallace from Kentucky. Really, I like this guy. I

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Speaker 2: He's a hunting seat guy, you can tell. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he understands how to play behind the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: He's really good at finding creases. He's really now. He

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Speaker 2: does one of the better jobs of being able to

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Speaker 2: disengage and go. I like this guy. I like this

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Speaker 2: guy a lot. I think he'll be he should be.

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Speaker 2: He should be probably in the third round. And uh,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get a good football player.

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Speaker 1: In this guy. Mack.

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Speaker 3: You had another favorite too, and I'll give you the

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Speaker 3: pronunciation here from Washington at afuan Ulafocio.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Rhett is tight.

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Speaker 2: So good at these I mean that's I mean, it

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Speaker 2: takes two to do this, it does, and Rhet's the best.

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Speaker 2: This is a fourth or fifth round guy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He reminds me of This is Stephen Tullick. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is this is Tully. I mean when I was here,

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Speaker 2: Jim Schwartz and I banged on the table on the

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Speaker 2: second night for going into the third day, fourth the

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Speaker 2: fourth round to get Stephen Tullick because he was a

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Speaker 2: smaller linebacker at n C State. But when you put

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Speaker 2: on that mini Key Car Carabowl, he made every tackle,

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Speaker 2: every tackle. And so I mean, and this guy, you know,

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Speaker 2: size why six h four to two thirty six four

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Speaker 2: tully was, but a thirty nine and a half inch

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Speaker 2: vertical jump, ten eight broad jump, bench press twenty one pounds.

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Speaker 2: He has got a great and plus just what's in him.

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Speaker 2: He was a walk on initially, okay, and and he

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Speaker 2: called the defense there his his K and D. You

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Speaker 2: can just tell the way he plays and what goes on.

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Speaker 2: And some of the people that I've listened to talk

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Speaker 2: about him that get the info from the school that

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Speaker 2: I don't get because that's not what I do. Now,

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Speaker 2: He's he's all in all the time. I really like

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Speaker 2: this guy, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, ratt, Let's turn to sleepers at the linebacker spot.

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Speaker 1: Give me one that jumps out to you.

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Speaker 3: Catan Oladappo from Oregon State, a guy that we saw

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Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl and mobile. He was a preferred

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Speaker 3: walk on at Oregon State. And came in and played safety.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be able to put some weight on

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Speaker 3: his frame because he's a pretty big long player six

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Speaker 3: two two sixteen, and a lot of people have him,

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Speaker 3: including coach Mack, projecting at a linebacker position, kind of

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Speaker 3: like Keith Bullet kind of deal. Right, But you're talking

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Speaker 3: about six two two sixteen wing about seventy seven, ran

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Speaker 3: half for lost, six and a half quarterback sacks.

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Speaker 1: So he's around the ball.

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Speaker 3: He's he's just somebody that's interesting to me as a

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Speaker 3: as a day three kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: I think the closer that he gets to the ball,

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Speaker 2: the higher his game would elevate.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Now, why do you say that, Well, because he's just

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Speaker 2: he's a tall guy. He doesn't have oily hips, but

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Speaker 2: he's got great he's got great jump, and he's got

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Speaker 2: good transition, and he's a physical guy. But in the

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Speaker 2: in the back end, you've got to be able to

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Speaker 2: have some flexibility in those hips, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: he quite has that space ability.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, you're sleeper Coach.

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Speaker 2: Mack Marist, Louis Fowl, lou Foul Notre Dame right, Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame sixty two two thirty four, four to six y four. Guy,

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Speaker 2: This guy just plays the game like a middle linebacker

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Speaker 2: should play the game. I mean, I don't think I

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Speaker 2: think he will probably be what do you think, rit

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Speaker 2: fourth round?

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Speaker 1: Maybe? Yeah, he'll be he'll be Day three, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fourth fourth round guy. But I just like him. And plus,

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Speaker 2: look he played at Notre Dame. Notre Dame who plays

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Speaker 2: really good football, and he's got some size to him.

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Speaker 2: He six two two thirty four. Most of these linebackers

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Speaker 2: we're talking about other than Edrid Cooper and other than

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Speaker 2: than uh Junior Colson, are you know six foot two

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Speaker 2: twenty eight, six one two thirty four. This guy is

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Speaker 2: is six two two thirty four, has played on the

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Speaker 2: big stage before.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I think somebody's gonna take him about the fourth or

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Speaker 2: fifth round.

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Speaker 3: And Mike length almost an eighty inch wing on this guy.

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Speaker 3: And go watch the film. You'll see his number pop

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to interior defensive lineman. Now, Rett

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Speaker 1: Brian will give us he and Coach Max's top five

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Speaker 3: At number five, Chris Jenkins Junior Michigan, number four, Devondre Sweat, Texas,

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Speaker 3: Johnny Newton, Illinois, and number one Byron Murphy the second Texas.

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Speaker 1: Murphy and Newton are similar builds. Are they similar type players?

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Speaker 2: Murphy is a little more explosive and Murphy's got a

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Speaker 2: great ability Mike uh to to to genuflect against double teams.

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Speaker 2: And when I say that, he has got a really

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Speaker 2: I like his explosiveness. Uh. You know, he's a four

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Speaker 2: Uh, Johnny Newton or Jerson Newton is a is a

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's got a Jones fracture and it's

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Speaker 2: he's a little bigger, a little bigger, a little bigger

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Speaker 2: than what Murphy is. I think those two guys will

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Speaker 1: And you liked Fisk a lot rat at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I liked the player, but we came

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Speaker 3: success in twenty twenty three. When you're talking about looking

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Speaker 3: absolutely tore it up. He had three and a half

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Speaker 3: well at two hundred and I think ninety two pounds

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Speaker 1: Sweat from Texas. Three sixty six is what he weighs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's felt. Three sixty six. He plays a shade.

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Speaker 2: he's five two seven forty, which is pretty amazing. It's

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Speaker 2: some hickeys on him. But I think he's a two

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Speaker 2: will make it really hard to get any yardage between

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Speaker 2: Now we know he had the hickey, you know, right

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Speaker 2: People are going to ask him on his visits about that,

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Speaker 2: the decision making those types of things. But physically, as

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Speaker 2: the center, it's somebody gonna play a true nose, or

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Speaker 2: command double teams for the center guard triangle. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's nobody bigger in this draft, and big dudes have

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Speaker 2: just two downs, you know, in this league and be

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get your favorites at the interior defensive

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Speaker 1: line spot. Coach Mack, why don't you go first? Horror

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Speaker 1: Ho from Clemson? How'd I do with that? Ritt? Very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Six four two and ninety pounds uh eight nine in

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Speaker 2: on him. He's got levers on him. Thirty two inch

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Speaker 2: vertical jump twenty nine at two and a quarter. This

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pounds. He works, He constantly works. He's

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Speaker 2: a worker in there. He's got pretty relentless energy going on.

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Speaker 2: I like this guy. Right, are we staying in the

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Speaker 2: acc for your favorite?

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Speaker 1: We are?

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Speaker 3: And his name is Dwayne Carter from Duke And you

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Speaker 3: but played a lot of football fifty two games played,

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Speaker 3: talking about a dude off the field. Three time captain

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Speaker 3: for two years. Jack Tatum Award winner for his community

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Speaker 3: activism Top Athlete in this so a smart guy, smart

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Speaker 1: All right, you're sleeper in the interior defensive line rat.

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Speaker 3: It's Christian Boyd from Northern Iowa. And Christian Boyd is

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Speaker 3: if you see him You're gonna see a lot of

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Speaker 3: a lot You'll see a lot of people say was

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Speaker 3: a snub if you will. Six to and change, three

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty nine pounds, seventy seven wing just a

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Speaker 3: In the third day of this draft, and maybe even earlier, Mack,

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Speaker 3: you looked at him. I mean, I think Christian Boyd

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Speaker 2: Well. The first thing is he thirty eight times with

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Speaker 1: A quarter, So you've got thirty eight yes, yeah.

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Speaker 2: You've got massive upper body strength. Then you know what

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen pounds, you know, and so those kind

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Speaker 2: I agree with Rhett. I mean, and people will will.

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Speaker 2: when it gets down to this. I mean, I've just

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Speaker 2: been in too many draft rooms. When the defensive line

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Speaker 2: of you know, look at somebody like this. This guy

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Speaker 2: what I do. But he's got enough to him that

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Speaker 2: I kind of I agree with Rhett.

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Speaker 1: Who's your interior D line sleeper coach?

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Speaker 2: It's not a sleeper, but it's a guy I think

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Speaker 2: is a little undervalued. Is Mike Hall Junior from Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: I like him.

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Speaker 2: Sixty three two ninety ten. His hands are ten, he's massive,

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Speaker 2: He's got violent, violent hands four seven eight forty twenty

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Speaker 2: length to him. He's just he's really a workman like

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He he may go on the second day, and if

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about day three? Depth in the

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Speaker 2: Falls off? A little bit falls off to me? Falls off.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a name here that nobody else

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Speaker 2: is going to give you, Okay, and it's just because

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Speaker 2: we're just we just I just like doing this. This

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Speaker 2: guy's from Pitt State. You know what Pitt State? What

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Speaker 2: their mascot is the gorilla. The Gorillas. God love you, Mike. Thanks, okay,

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Speaker 2: name due, thanks coach. My name is duban O.

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Speaker 1: Con Quo, duban okon Quo.

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Speaker 2: Now he played, he played, he played a shade and

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Speaker 2: he's he just he I just like watching him because

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Speaker 2: he just he's just a ball of fire in there.

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Speaker 2: Five eleven, two thirty. Okay, So let's he's been putting

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Speaker 2: a trash smasher. Okay, four to two, one, ten to one,

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Speaker 2: broad jump four four eight forty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what are you gonna do with a five? Who knows?

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Speaker 2: I would just love to have him in camp to

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Speaker 1: But would you play him at inside linebacker? Maybe? But

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Speaker 1: he's not ever a plate stand up before? Has he? No?

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Speaker 2: I could teach him.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you just you're just throwing out just a player,

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Speaker 1: you like, a random defense. That's a random player because

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Speaker 1: he's from Pittsburgh State. Yes, you wanted who to say gorilla.

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to say gorillas. And then plus I

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Speaker 1: But can run four four, eight, forty bash. But I

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Speaker 1: can't you? No?

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Speaker 2: Probably not Okay, But now everybody knows his name.

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Speaker 1: Well, dubin Akkuo a cock wo.

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Speaker 2: So when he comes to your door selling inshirt, you'll

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Speaker 1: But you don't think he's gonna do that. You think

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Speaker 1: I just like bringing his name up. Well that's really good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I know he really didn't want that.

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Speaker 1: No, but you got fantastic. The people got a gift,

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Speaker 1: a gift for the OT people. All right, So how

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Speaker 1: love to talk edge players. Here we go, RTT Bryan,

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Speaker 1: you and coach Mack have been breaking down the edge players,

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Speaker 1: absolutely going through them, tearing through the data, watching the tape,

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Speaker 1: talking to people. And you have picked your top five

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Speaker 3: At number five, Darius Robinson Missouri at number four, Chop Robinson,

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Speaker 3: Penn State at number three, Lea tou Latu Ucla, Jared

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Speaker 3: Versus at number two from Florida State and the top

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Speaker 3: on the list, Dallas Turner, Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Our Titans radio colleague Ramon Foster believes the Titans should

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Speaker 1: select Dallas Turner at number seven. Why, in your opinion

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Speaker 1: does Ramon feel so strongly about Dallas Turner.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the best edge guy in the draft.

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Speaker 2: He and Jared Verse are different, but they're both really top.

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Speaker 2: They'll both be first round picks, no doubt. To me,

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Speaker 2: Dallas Turner would be the first one off the board,

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Speaker 2: and if from on when he has his team, you

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Speaker 2: of the board and put it in there. Six three

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Speaker 2: two forty seven four four six forty forty inch vertical jump,

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Speaker 2: the ability to skim the edge. Now he's not I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say he's elite gumby as far as motorcycle lean,

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Speaker 2: but he's got it. He's he's close to being there.

435
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 2: He can skim the edge, he's great, and he can

436
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: chase people down. He's got long levers. He can set

437
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: the edge out there on the outside. And to me,

438
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: when you watch Dallas Turner, there's times when you're watching

439
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: him when you'd like a little more. But then there's

440
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: times when you say, wow, you know I can get

441
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: and and and he played a lot. He played a lot.

442
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: So the athletic ability and more and more, the edge

443
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: players in this league have got to be exceptional. He's athletes.

444
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 2: This guy is one.

445
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 1: All right. Let me break you down here, coach. When

446
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: you say Gumby, I mean we all remember Gummay and

447
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: Pokey and Eddie Murphy on Saturday Night Live. But when

448
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 1: you're talking about when you're talking about football skills, what

449
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: does Gumby mean as an edge rush? Lower body flexibility okay,

450
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: flexible and motorcycle lean.

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 2: Is you've watched those motorcycle races that they do on ice, Okay,

452
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: when they lean the motorcycle around around the turns and

453
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: they put their knee on the on the ice when

454
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: they're leaning. That's what you have to do, skimming the edge.

455
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 2: If you skim the edge. To do that, you've got

456
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, Jim Warsbourn, how you

457
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 2: used to do the the hoop drill here? Make them

458
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: pick up the towels that he got integrated into the

459
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: workouts at the combine. You've got to be able to

460
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: turn the corner. But at the same time, then you

461
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: have to be able to get your foot, your inside

462
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: your inside foot, your motorcycle lean foot. You've got to

463
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: get pointed back to the quarterback as quick as possible.

464
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 2: If you don't have that lean ability, then go offensive

465
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: tackles will just run you past the arc. They'll run

466
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 2: you past the setup point. And so there there are

467
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: guys that have the lower body flexibility. Javon Curse, you know,

468
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: great great example of it. You know, Burns just got paid.

469
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: Great example of guys that can skim Dwight Freeny, Dwight Freeny.

470
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 2: Guys that guys that Simeon Rice, that I had, that

471
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I had at Arizona, Guys that can lean and skim

472
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: the edge without losing any speed.

473
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Speaker 1: Can that skill, to at least a certain extent, be

474
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Speaker 1: taught or improved.

475
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: You can. You can teach the technique a little bit,

476
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 2: but the flexibility that's God.

477
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,919
Speaker 1: Given, so it can be refined a little bit.

478
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: It can be refined with with with the technique and

479
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: the get off. The first thing is is the get off.

480
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: You know, the what you do with your first step,

481
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: hand placement, all of that stuff, And I've watched Jim

482
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: Washburn coach that you can teach a lot of that

483
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: technique to get off, but the god given ability with

484
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: the lower body flex that's that's what you're looking for.

485
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: Lelt from UCLA is and I have watched this group

486
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: a good bit because I like the pass rushers. He

487
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: to me, is the heaviest dude. He's like two hundred

488
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: and sixty something past sixty and when he hits the

489
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: guy trying to block him, I mean, it's it's it's

490
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: an impact. He does have some moves, he does have

491
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: some ability. Is it just all about the medical with him?

492
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Speaker 3: It is because we've mentioned Leyton vander esh who just

493
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 3: retired for the Dallas Cowboys the neck injury with this,

494
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 3: so uh, he's rolling along at University of Washington, has

495
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: a neck injury at a spring practice and he's basically

496
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 3: medically retired. He does not play a snap of football

497
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: for two years. He has an assistant coach that goes

498
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: from University of Washington, ends up landing at UCLA and

499
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: encourages him after he's had this next surgery to get

500
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: him back on course, and of course he does. He

501
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: has a great year twenty twenty three accolades. I think

502
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 3: he was the Ted Hendricks Award winner for the best

503
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 3: defensive Lineman in FBS. And if it weren't for the medicals,

504
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: he'd be maybe ahead of Dallas Turner and Jared Verse

505
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 3: with this because he's a violent player.

506
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

507
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: Well the other thing is too, He's he has got

508
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: the most nuanced counter moves of any of these guys.

509
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a you know, they're all different. Dallas

510
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: Turner is an edge guy that could that could move

511
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: to Jared versus a speed to power guy. He's a

512
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: power rusher. I mean he's a he's a heavy, but

513
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 2: a lot too. Is so nuanced. You could see that

514
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. He's he's got counter moves and

515
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: and you know, you've got to teach a lot of

516
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: that coming into this league. He's got it already. He

517
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: understands hand placement, he understands it, and he also understands countering.

518
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: If somebody gets something stopped, he's got an immediate answer

519
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: to it with a counter. So he's a very very

520
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 2: nuanced pass rusher.

521
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Speaker 1: One hundred and twelve pressures and twenty three and a

522
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: half sacks in the last two seasons for the Bruins.

523
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: For lat too. The productivity, I mean, like Chop Robinson

524
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: is a guy that you would be drafting on upside.

525
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what do he have four sacks? Four and

526
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: a half sacks for Penn State. He doesn't have numbers

527
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: at all, but he has traits, traits, and he has

528
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: great size. LAT two has body and production underneath his belt.

529
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: Production and consistent production. And we could see that at

530
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: the senior ball. Oh yeah, you watch it, you watch it.

531
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: He was causing some et Ceterrin headaches. He was. I mean,

532
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's heavy in the rear end. He's

533
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: bringing it in every way, looks the party, plays the part.

534
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: He's nasty.

535
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: But but the fact that he's that he's got combination moves.

536
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: When you're doing one on ones, really, I mean, one

537
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: on ones are are a great example of being able

538
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: to watch people compete. But it's it's you know, one

539
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: on ones for offensive linemen with nobody else in there

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: is litle bit unfair, but so what and the same

541
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: thing with one on ones with linebackers trying to cover

542
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: running backs or I mean, you have to understand the

543
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 2: spectrum of what you're looking at but this guy, people

544
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 2: didn't want to go up against him in one on

545
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: one because he would embarrass him with a second move.

546
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: And so I agree with you, Mike, But the injury history, Yeah,

547
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: the neck, neck, the neck, And again it goes back

548
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: to the vander ash thing that we talk about and

549
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: talk about. Peyton Turner. You've got to really dig into

550
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: that because you know this will be a first he'll

551
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: be a first round guy, right, but you've got to decide,

552
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, at what point in the first round are

553
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: you ready to allocate assets.

554
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: Well, he's being mocked like twelve, thirteen, twenty, but you

555
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: wonder if he doesn't fall down into the twenties, because

556
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: when it comes time to turn in the card, are

557
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: you going to say, we love him, but we're going

558
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: to take this guy instead, Or or maybe the quarterbacks

559
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: go higher, maybe they're six quarterback, the top fifteen. A

560
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: playoff team may end up with him in the early

561
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: to mid twenties just because of circumstance.

562
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: And so he doesn't have to be the number one

563
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: guy right in.

564
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Watch him go to the Ravens. Just watch that happen.

565
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: And because of the upside and not so much production

566
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: with Chop Robinson. They could end up being drafted in

567
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: the same window there in the twenties. I could totally

568
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 3: see that. So here's the one that gets me in

569
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: your list. And I love this, by the way, this

570
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 3: is my favorite part of the show. Welcome ot people.

571
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 3: We're so glad, We're so glad to have you. Darius

572
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: Robinson from Missouri. Okay, So you've got Turner who's two

573
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 3: forty seven versus is roughly two fifty ish, lat two's

574
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: two sixtiest chop Robinson's two fifty to two sixty. Darius

575
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Robinson is six five two eighty six.

576
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: Well, you know who he is?

577
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: No, who is he?

578
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: He's the guy that just I don't want to break

579
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: your heart again.

580
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna hurt me with Deniko Utri.

581
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: Yes, that's who he is.

582
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: He is why? Okay, So you can play up and

583
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: down the line play. We're gonna act like here on

584
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: the OTP that we've never seen Deniko and I you know,

585
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: I still love too, but he doesn't exist. Who is

586
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Darius Robinson as a player in line with Deniko Watt.

587
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: Six five two eighty five, Oh to begin with oh,

588
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: thirty four and a half inch arms ten and five

589
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: eights hands.

590
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: He's got a paw almost eighty five inch.

591
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: Wing, eighty five inch wing twenty one at two and

592
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: a quarter with that kind of wing to do twenty

593
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: one times thirty five inch vertical jump. He's a beast

594
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: up and down the up and down the line of screamage.

595
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: This will be probably one of the more scheme versatile

596
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: big men that you can take for the front line.

597
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: But he's not as draft. He's not an edge like

598
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: the other four guys in your top five.

599
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: No, but he will he will set an edge. He

600
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: will set an edge.

601
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: Is he what they call a five technique?

602
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: He could be a five, but he could also be

603
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: He could also be a heavy nine. He could be

604
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: a heavy nine.

605
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: That's the difference of the two.

606
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's one gap over okay, And

607
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: so of all, I mean you're not you're not going

608
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: to leave a tight end on a man to man.

609
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: I mean you're not going to You're gonna have to

610
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: help if he's out there on the edge with a

611
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: tight end. Very few tight ends are gonna be able

612
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: to handle him. Okay, at that size. Much like what happened,

613
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: you know when the guy that you don't want to

614
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: mention anymore was here. They mus not be spoken. But

615
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: this guy, this guy, this guy up and down the line.

616
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, and I mean this in

617
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: a really nice way, I love his violence.

618
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean you don't want a kind defensive line.

619
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: No, I mean I love his I love his violence.

620
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: You want angry and I just I mean Darius Robinson

621
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: was was one of the reasons that Missoo had a

622
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: pretty good year. And they've got players. We just talked

623
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: about two corners. They got a little linebackers. They'll probably

624
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: be drafted too. But I just like being a former

625
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, being a being a defensive coach. On my

626
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: I know what the versatility up front does for you

627
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 2: when you're trying to make mad when you're game.

628
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: Planning, and Mike, you know what I like the most.

629
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Where he's probably gonna fall in this draft. You could

630
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 3: get him at thirty eight at this Tennessee Titans. Wouldn't

631
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: hate that, would you know?

632
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Because I mean he again in thinking about the overall

633
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: and I parrot you coach mack on everything I talk

634
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: about with roster construction. You love him from a short

635
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: term in a long term because of what he gives

636
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: you with position versatility. You also love him in your

637
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: forty eight on game day because he can do what

638
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: Deniko Autry did, and that's play at the outside linebacker spot,

639
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: but then also rotate through in spots on the defensive line.

640
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: You can find him snaps all over the place to

641
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: where if you need an extra guy at another position,

642
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: he helps you. He allows you to do that. I mean,

643
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: those players are so valuable.

644
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: Well yeah they are. I mean, and that's.

645
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Corners who can play safety, linebackers who can play all positions,

646
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, those sorts of offensive linemen who can play

647
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: up and down.

648
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Well, that's why the Titans paid a necro to get

649
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: him from the Colts, right, And that's why the Texans

650
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Speaker 2: paid him to get because those guys, if you're if

651
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Speaker 2: you're sitting in defensive rooms and you're starting to look

652
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: at and you're you're thought about the forty eight construction

653
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: is very very important, very important. All of a sudden,

654
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: you got a guy that can slide two places, sure,

655
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Speaker 2: maybe three.

656
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Speaker 1: Imagine those arms matching hands with the opposing quarter with

657
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Speaker 1: stopped doing that. For what you're getting me all excited

658
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: about the edge thing now?

659
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it could says it's your favorite part.

660
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: People hitting the quarter People hitting the quarterback is just

661
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: wonderful unless they're hitting. Well, we don't want Will Levis

662
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: to get hit. No, that's for another OTP later and

663
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,239
Speaker 1: the way here we go.

664
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Speaker 2: But I mean again, we don't know what our what

665
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: the Titans draft board looks like at all at all.

666
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, but I just I just know that for

667
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: the league, this gotta be a pretty.

668
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, good piece who he looks like he looks

669
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: like a Pittsburgh Steeler, which is what scares me. I mean,

670
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Speaker 1: how many guys if they had like that over the

671
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: all of them? Yeah, that Hayward kind of yeah, yeah, yeah,

672
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: that's Cam Heyward's Yeah, he's on the back end. There's

673
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Speaker 1: only he's only been playing like nineteen years something like that.

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675
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans.

679
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Speaker 2: So, Titan, I just wanted to say it.

680
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: Look at Coach mac jumping in.

681
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: I never got to say it.

682
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Speaker 1: Oh, you're doing all those ads now you're big and

683
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: famous to you endorse a lot of products.

684
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: I just endorse this.

685
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: You're a sham wow with coach. He's like slapchot miracle,

686
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Speaker 3: a miracle seal.

687
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Speaker 1: Coach back out in Lake Ambulet with his boat patched

688
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: up there. That's good, all right, Rhett. Who's your favorite?

689
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite edge rusher outside of the top.

690
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: Five, it's Marshawn Neeland from Western Michigan like that one

691
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: man and was Braiden Fisk's teammate before Braiden transferred to

692
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 3: Florida State. Marshawn Nieland could have probably done the same

693
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: thing you're talking about. A six three, two hundred and

694
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: sixty seven pound guy, long arms thirty four and a

695
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: quarter wing near the eighty four inches, ran a four

696
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: to seven five forty at two sixty seven nine to

697
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: eleven broad jump short shuttle four to one, eight three

698
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: cone under seven to two and Matt correct me if

699
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm wrong.

700
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: But on pass rushers, a.

701
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: Good rule of thumb in some of these testing things

702
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: is if you've got a three cone seven to two

703
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: or less, and if you've got a broad jump of

704
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: nine to nine or more. That's a pretty good indicator

705
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: of well, it's another explosion and that's what.

706
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: Your actual position or overall that position.

707
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: Okay, and so this guy hits all the marks on that,

708
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: but uh does not quit that. This guy has a motor.

709
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: Elected team captain in his last year, was a three

710
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 3: year starter, one hundred and forty nine tackles, twenty eight

711
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: for lost, thirteen quarterback sacks. He's just I like his game.

712
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: He's twitchy, and he's long. He's somebody. He's gonna be

713
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: a probably early Night II selection.

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00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: Coach Mack, who would be your favorite? Be?

715
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: Chris Braswell and the other slide Alabama? Chris Braswell at

716
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: Alabama six three, two fifty one, thirty three and a

717
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: quarter arms, uh thirty three and a half, vertical jump

718
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: nine to seven, broad jump four six forty one five

719
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Speaker 2: nine ten. He's got he's got some get off. I

720
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: think this guy is gonna be a great complimentary piece

721
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Speaker 2: for somebody defensively.

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Speaker 1: And guy that we saw at the Senior Bowl, so

723
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: we've seen him translate that to play football. He did

724
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: a nice job in Mobile.

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Speaker 2: I thought so too, Mike. I like him.

726
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Speaker 1: All right, So who's your sleeper at the edge.

727
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Because Austin Booker from Kansas, Ah six four and a

728
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: half two forty thirty three and seven eights dine on

729
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: a quarter four seven nine forty uh a vertical jump

730
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Speaker 2: in thirty two and a half. But he's got a

731
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Speaker 2: he's got nearly an eighty two inch wingspan. This is

732
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: a big long dude broad jump of ten, very very raw.

733
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Speaker 2: Now this is a guy that's going to need some development.

734
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Speaker 2: You're you're taking this guy with the idea that your

735
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Speaker 2: defensive you're your outside linebacker coach is going to have

736
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Speaker 2: to I mean, he's he You've got to be able

737
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 2: to mold him. But I think he's got enough to him.

738
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Speaker 1: You saw him.

739
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Speaker 2: If you watch his tape, he'll make a lot of

740
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: chase and a lot of spice plays and then all

741
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden you won't see him. So he needs

742
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: to get more continuity to his game. But he's got

743
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: everything that you're looking for if you're going around in

744
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: those those lower rounds, because six four and a half

745
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Speaker 2: two forty.

746
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Speaker 1: With that kind of wing span pretty good. I think, Yeah, Ratt,

747
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: who's your sleeper at the edge? This young man was

748
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Speaker 1: a two year starter in this program. He was the

749
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Speaker 1: Mountain West Defensive Player of the Year. Mohammed Kamara, Colorado State.

750
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have the measurables that you'd think about because

751
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: he's a little over six to one in change, but

752
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: he's better than five eleven two thirty playing defensive line.

753
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Speaker 2: Cosh Okay, do not disparage my man of Konko from

754
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Speaker 2: the pitt Gorillas.

755
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Speaker 1: Six to one had change two forty eight.

756
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: Muhammad Kamara is longer prospect for that size though, almost

757
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: a seventy nine inch wingspan four to five seven and

758
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: the forty ten to three broad jump three cone just

759
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: a little over seven two at seven three forced twenty

760
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: three reps at two twenty five. The guy did nothing

761
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Speaker 3: but produce when he got in this starting lineup. He

762
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 3: is in the top three in program history. Thirty and

763
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 3: a half quarterback sacks, forty five and a half tackles

764
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Speaker 3: for lost, one hundred and seventy nine tackles overall. He's

765
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: a he can force fumbles. He just he is gonna

766
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Speaker 3: be a little older rookies twenty four years old.

767
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Speaker 1: But I don't know.

768
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: There's something about that guy and violent player. Violent player,

769
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Speaker 3: the older rookie thing.

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Speaker 2: It's the thing in this draft.

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Speaker 1: I know. But it's not like you're saying he's forty four. No,

772
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But people can take Roy Hobbs, Yes,

773
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: continue to talk about it like it's you know, it's

774
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: people who've just gotten back from an overseas trip for

775
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: twenty five years or something. Twenty fourths not old. And

776
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: the NFL is worried about now anyway, you're not sitting here,

777
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: go well, he might not play twelve years for us.

778
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody cares about that.

779
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: These ages now are like every lineman that ever came

780
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Speaker 2: out of BYU.

781
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: Right, well from Mohammed Kamara. That's a great point.

782
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: Listen, If he gets drafted where we think, and it'll

783
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: be a Day three, probably round five, round six somewhere

784
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: in there.

785
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Speaker 1: If he gets five six year career, you're you've won.

786
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: He's won. Everybody's won. I mean if you get I mean,

787
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: if you get one really good contract out of these players,

788
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: plus and then you get him into a second contract,

789
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's a plus plus.

790
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: Well, it's if you can get that much out of

791
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 2: those with asset allocation, because drafting them down.

792
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, that's good stuff. All right. So, coach Mack,

793
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Speaker 1: if you're wanting to add edge depth in this draft

794
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Speaker 1: from what you've seen of the total pool, could you

795
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: add it on day three? Yes? Okay, I think so.

796
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Could you add it in the defensive line on.

797
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: Day three that I don't think that's as deep?

798
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: Okay? Could you add it at linebacker on day three yes? Okay?

799
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: So just I know we covered some of that, but

800
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: just wanted to hit that for the ot people who

801
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: just joined us.

802
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: Now there are some guys on that interior defensive line

803
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: that will be I think the Titans visited the guy

804
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: that I kind of like, who's that McKinley Jackson coming

805
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: out of a and m Yeah, he's not bad, no,

806
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: and he'll probably be in that.

807
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting how the visits have changed. It feels

808
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: like in the olden days that every everybody who visited

809
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: was going to be your first round pick or your

810
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: second round pick. And now you visit some of those

811
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: guys on the thirty visits to your particular facility, but

812
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: so many more are mid round guys and late round guys,

813
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: and it's really changed. No.

814
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: I just did a pretty link to interview out of

815
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Speaker 2: market here asking about asking about the importance of thirty

816
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: visits and what you can glean from thirty visits if

817
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 2: you're looking from the outside, ind and there's all different

818
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: reasons that you visit different guys. The least reason you

819
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 2: visit is trying to put up a smoke screen to

820
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Speaker 2: who you're taking. You don't really care. You know, what's

821
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 2: going on is everybody's got the same tape everybody. It's

822
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Speaker 2: evaluations in the individual rooms.

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Speaker 1: It matter.

824
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: But some guys you may have spent enough time with

825
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl now that they've opened it up

826
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Speaker 2: to interviews, clearly at the Combine they've changed. Now you've

827
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: got eighteen minutes with forty five guys. And also a

828
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: lot of it depends on how much information in the

829
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: area Scout has been able to bring in. And then

830
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: there are some guys that you are interested in that

831
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: you want to dig a little deeper to and dig

832
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: a little deeper in, get them to meet people in

833
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: your building, get them to sit with the coaches. So

834
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: there's all different types of reasons and all you have

835
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: all different levels of visits, and some of them, Mike

836
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: or if you said you know what this guy might be,

837
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: because you only take one around normally, and so if

838
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: there may not be in our purview now, but free

839
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: agency is a real thing in the National Football League, absolutely,

840
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: And the more you know about somebody, I mean, you

841
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: just did a you just did a wonderful thing with

842
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: a big time player that we just signed and brought

843
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: back his video from when he was visiting here, because

844
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 2: those things are those things matter to clubs. Alvin Ridley, Yes,

845
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: those things matter to clubs, and you keep a you

846
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: keep a dossier on everybody that's coming into this league.

847
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: Three days until the NFL Draft begins tomorrow and the

848
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: OTP wide receivers and tight ends for coach Mack and

849
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Speaker 1: retbright I, Mike Keith, thank you, thank you for joining

850
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: us on the O t P. Welcome to the big

851
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: Show where the legends going.

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00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: Everybody knows who's it's a