Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and my co host Jason Phelps.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me again. This is a common
Speaker 2: I'm a common guest for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uncommonly common.
Speaker 2: I think it's the low hanging fruit. You're not You're
Speaker 2: not digging deep for experts on the subject matter. We're
Speaker 2: just happened to be hunting together last two a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and you're like, hey, I'll get I'll get
Speaker 2: Phelps on. That would be easy. But I claim definitely
Speaker 2: do not claim to be an expert on the subject today.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you've kind of been saying a week
Speaker 1: about what a white tail expert you were. You might
Speaker 1: have a little bit a little bit braggadocious about it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we're in Kansas white tail hunting. It's we
Speaker 1: got here November fourteenth, and tomorrow is the twenty second
Speaker 1: and we're wrapping things up heading home. It's been a
Speaker 1: crazy week and we last year we were here about
Speaker 1: a week earlier, and I feel like we've seen different
Speaker 1: activity every day as far as deer movement, so the
Speaker 1: one of the biggest factors. It's different this year though,
Speaker 1: Besides the time, is also the weather we're having. It's
Speaker 1: it's been hot. Like when we first got here. I
Speaker 1: think we had three days that the highs were in
Speaker 1: the seventies and in the mornings it was probably in
Speaker 1: the forties. So you had to dress kind of warm
Speaker 1: for the mornings. But then by the time you were
Speaker 1: getting ready to get out of the stand to go
Speaker 1: to lunch, you're probably trying to shed some layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was unseasonably hot. We came from
Speaker 2: last year teens the low twenties, you know, high pressure
Speaker 2: all the time, north winds, which you know they claim
Speaker 2: around here. You know, for the same temperature you got
Speaker 2: some moisture in them, tend to be cooler. Coming to
Speaker 2: this year, we're I want to hunt in shorts and
Speaker 2: a T shirt. I don't want to be out. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it is hot in the middle of the day,
Speaker 2: but then you have to start off with those forty
Speaker 2: degree days, so very contrasting weather. We show up very
Speaker 2: hot to start the hunt, and you know, well we'll
Speaker 2: get into it a little bit more about how you
Speaker 2: couple that weather with our our our timing with the rut.
Speaker 2: You know, last year we were here ten days earlier.
Speaker 2: This year, we're here ten days later. Kind of seemed
Speaker 2: to hit that peak rut lockdown phase and all of
Speaker 2: that added together with some of the other issues, you know,
Speaker 2: drought and EHD, we're going to talk about a little
Speaker 2: bit at the end of this. It rolled up to
Speaker 2: see luss dear, moving, lust, dear in general, perceived less dear,
Speaker 2: you know, all of those things which made for longer
Speaker 2: days in the stand a little bit more of a
Speaker 2: I want to say, frustrating hunt. It's still hunting. I
Speaker 2: have a I have a blash just watching the woods
Speaker 2: wake up and squirrel's doing there, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But in the end, you really want to see, you know,
Speaker 2: deer and hopefully get a chance at a big deer
Speaker 2: chase and be completely different weather when we show it
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And in fact, like the first evening Dusty and
Speaker 1: I set in the stand then I had these big
Speaker 1: heavy fleece coveralls, bibs and jacket, and man, I took
Speaker 1: the jacket off and zipped the zip the the bibs
Speaker 1: clear to my ankles, and Dusty's like whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's way too much skin for this close contact. And
Speaker 1: a blind. But it was that hot, man. I was
Speaker 1: gonna die if I didn't. Contrast to the year before,
Speaker 1: we couldn't hardly put off put on enough clothes. I
Speaker 1: had some new bibs that didn't get shipped to my
Speaker 1: house in time. I had had to have my wife
Speaker 1: send them here about the day we were heading back.
Speaker 1: They got here about the same day we were heading back.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of cold in the blind last year.
Speaker 1: So yep, Yeah, it seemed like moonfase two didn't really
Speaker 1: seem to come in to play at all. It was
Speaker 1: kind of a darker moon all week. You get kind
Speaker 1: of a little slivery. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: hinge everything they do on a moon phase, but I
Speaker 1: feel like that's a pretty good moon phase for deer movement.
Speaker 1: They weren't up all night, you know, partying.
Speaker 2: No, No, it seemed to we didn't really notice that.
Speaker 2: You know. The other thing moon phase is we drive around,
Speaker 2: go to dinner. You know, you can if it was
Speaker 2: affecting it, you'd see more deer in the fields. It
Speaker 2: just seems it's kind of be a real consistent number.
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't from what we've seen versus trail cameras
Speaker 2: that were able to check like all that added up
Speaker 2: to the moon phase really didn't, you know, drastically impact
Speaker 2: the hunt, I would say for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in our stands there were they were more set
Speaker 1: up for for like the feeding pattern, you know, for
Speaker 1: maybe pre rut or post rut, but not like that
Speaker 1: peak ret time. So and the reason is we have
Speaker 1: a shooter and a cameraman, so you have to have
Speaker 1: two people, and it's kind of limited. It's kind of
Speaker 1: hard to we're not on a guided hunt or anything.
Speaker 1: We're just hunting a friend's house. He had some stands
Speaker 1: he had hung before, but it's it'd be a lot
Speaker 1: of work and hard to hard to get additional stands
Speaker 1: set up in some of those travel corridors and places
Speaker 1: like that where we might have seen a little more
Speaker 1: dear movement, but we didn't. We weren't really set up
Speaker 1: for for a two guys set up. So next year
Speaker 1: or next time, I don't know if he'll draw the
Speaker 1: tag again, but next time we're definitely gonna come prepared
Speaker 1: with maybe some tree saddles for the camera guys, and
Speaker 1: then they can just pitch up up a tree wherever
Speaker 1: and and and be more mobile.
Speaker 2: That way, I'm stoked we Randy seemed to be real
Speaker 2: excited on uh, you know, next spring, if we can
Speaker 2: draw a turkey tag. It sounds like we have to
Speaker 2: draw ding turkey tag now and cats where you used
Speaker 2: to be able to buy one. So it's a little wrench,
Speaker 2: but Randy seemed really excited to uh work when we're
Speaker 2: here next spring on the turkey hen if we can
Speaker 2: draw it to like go, he wants to kind of
Speaker 2: almost like a reinventory of stands, pull down stands that
Speaker 2: he doesn't hunt anymore, figure out what he's got, and
Speaker 2: then really look at some some rust and placement, you know,
Speaker 2: really come down to the pitch points. Now that he's
Speaker 2: owned the properties for more than twenty years, he's really
Speaker 2: got it dialed in compared to some of his old
Speaker 2: stands that he doesn't hunt. And so I'll be exciting
Speaker 2: to be a part of that where I feel like,
Speaker 2: right now we show up and just hunt what he
Speaker 2: already has put together, where if we can be somewhat
Speaker 2: a part of that or help him make decisions. You know,
Speaker 2: he's even been asking us now. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: Randy knows his deer better than anybody does, but for
Speaker 2: us to get to sit and stands for days at
Speaker 2: a time and say, you know, hey, I think these deer,
Speaker 2: these deer want to come down this ridge. They're traveling
Speaker 2: over there, hanging out there. I think if we set
Speaker 2: a stand there, we could get shots at some of
Speaker 2: these more mature bucks. Like to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of input on some stand placement will be way more
Speaker 2: rewarding to come back and hunt those. And you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, next time, whether it is next year
Speaker 2: or the following year, I think that'll be like a
Speaker 2: cool little aspect right now where just we just show
Speaker 2: up and hunt the stands that Randy already has place
Speaker 2: versus to have a little input will be will be
Speaker 2: a blast, and I think it'll just be exciting, especially
Speaker 2: if we do end up coming back on the rut
Speaker 2: to be able to like we we needed to be
Speaker 2: tighter to bedding, We needed to be down in those
Speaker 2: pinch points travel corridors where a lot of these stands
Speaker 2: were set up. You know, Randy, Randy says it all
Speaker 2: the time you asked him. He's like, I killed my
Speaker 2: deer earlier, I kill my deer late. I don't typically
Speaker 2: play that that peak rut because things are so unpredictable.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I think if we we do
Speaker 2: show up, it would be fun to have a chance
Speaker 2: to just you know, witness that or be in an
Speaker 2: area to take advantage of that that crazy time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's and that's half the fun, or
Speaker 1: a lot of the fun is just is doing the
Speaker 1: off season work. You know, I have so much fun,
Speaker 1: you know, for doing that with ELK, trying to figure
Speaker 1: them out in the summertime, you know, putting cameras out
Speaker 1: and doing all the all the work I think, you know,
Speaker 1: identifying those places here, coming back in the springtime, putting
Speaker 1: up stands, clearing out some shooting lines and doing doing
Speaker 1: all those things, and then coming back and getting to
Speaker 1: hunt those stands. I mean, that'd be so rewarding, so
Speaker 1: much fun, and it's just like, you know, then you
Speaker 1: feel like you got more skin in the game too,
Speaker 1: and and and then you feel like, you know, it's like, man, Randy,
Speaker 1: he's got to do all this work and by himself,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like a jerk showing up here,
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, reaping the fruits of his labor. Right. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be awesome if we could come out
Speaker 1: and help do some of those things.
Speaker 2: And just just to help him clean I say, clean up,
Speaker 2: but you know he's got ladder stands kind of scattered
Speaker 2: all over and this lock on here, and just to
Speaker 2: help it. You know, it's a lot of work to
Speaker 2: get some of these stands into some of these areas,
Speaker 2: like just to put in some sweat equity of like hey, Randy,
Speaker 2: we'll go in grab that stand, or we'll grab take
Speaker 2: this stand down, you know, just just to help and
Speaker 2: then have a little bit of input, I think would
Speaker 2: be it's part of that that you know, pre work
Speaker 2: that that goes into making the hunt so much fun
Speaker 2: and enjoyable and being in the right spotter on the X.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and if you got three or four guys
Speaker 1: doing the work, it's way easier than just one or two,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's that's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: Randy like the amount of property he has and how
Speaker 2: many stands like it, it's a lot of work to
Speaker 2: manage the property that Randy has. And so I'd love
Speaker 2: to be able to give back a little bit and
Speaker 2: help him if we.
Speaker 1: Can, yeah, absolutely, just to kind of like talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about the kind of deer there is here.
Speaker 1: You know, Randy manages his property for mature bucks, right,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't say, all right, guys, you can only
Speaker 1: shoot one hundred and seventy inch buck. He doesn't talk
Speaker 1: about that. He's like, I just want you guys to
Speaker 1: shoot mature bucks, so we don't want to shoot like
Speaker 1: three and a half year old deer. He's like, I
Speaker 1: really love you guys to shoot like a five and
Speaker 1: a half year old deer. So we're which kind of
Speaker 1: creates a little it makes it a little bit tougher
Speaker 1: when when deer come into the stand because immediately you know,
Speaker 1: you're assessing. You know, a four and a half year
Speaker 1: old deer can have a pretty nice rack, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times they could be on that borderline of
Speaker 1: like in a year or two, that's it's going to
Speaker 1: be a giant. So he just really wants us to
Speaker 1: kind of look, you know, assess the body. You know,
Speaker 1: does it have a barrel chest, does it have a
Speaker 1: saggy belly, does it have a sway back? Does it
Speaker 1: have a big beefy head, looks like a mucou? You know,
Speaker 1: all these little things to identify to make sure it's
Speaker 1: a mature deer before he squeeze the trigger. So that
Speaker 1: creates a little bit of an issue because a lot
Speaker 1: of times these bucks, you know, they're coming in and
Speaker 1: they're looking for does. And a lot of these stands,
Speaker 1: you know, they're set up in a food plot or
Speaker 1: there there's maybe some some corn or something there, set
Speaker 1: out to draw a doze in. So these the bucks
Speaker 1: come in look for does. They're not going to come
Speaker 1: over and eat any corn, but they're just mostly keen
Speaker 1: in for dose. So they'll come in and here's my experience,
Speaker 1: they'll come and they won't expose themselves one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: so you don't have a shot when they come in
Speaker 1: and pause and they'll kind of look and they'll look
Speaker 1: for a dough and then they scan the area real quick.
Speaker 1: And then the first couple of times this happened to me,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, okay, check out his body,
Speaker 1: look at this, look at that? Should I shoot him?
Speaker 1: Should I not shoot him? And by the time I've
Speaker 1: decided I was going to shoot him, he's already moved out.
Speaker 1: He's gone. The opportunity if there would have been one
Speaker 1: has gone. So what I had to end up start
Speaker 1: doing is like as soon as I would see one,
Speaker 1: I would draw my bow back and then I would
Speaker 1: start really start picking him apart, looking at him and
Speaker 1: trying to make that decision whether or not I would
Speaker 1: want to shoot him. And then sometimes even then it
Speaker 1: was it was tough. So it's it was kind of
Speaker 1: you know, these fleeting opportunities. You have to be quick
Speaker 1: on the draw, and you have to you know, he
Speaker 1: has to walk in the right spot for you to
Speaker 1: shoot one out of a out of a blind or
Speaker 1: even a tree.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, we the same thing. One thing I've realized
Speaker 2: is ranging on flat ground. You know, if you are
Speaker 2: in a food plot, most of them are flat, Like
Speaker 2: you might think that deer's two steps behind, but he's
Speaker 2: eight yards off, you know, like I it messed with
Speaker 2: my mind. I hated everything about that because you you've
Speaker 2: got fifty landmarks out there. You know, tough of grass
Speaker 2: is thirty eight and this low spot is fifty. But
Speaker 2: you would think that something that was two feet behind
Speaker 2: it is you know, it was, only it's not. It's
Speaker 2: And so I had a heck of a time trying
Speaker 2: to judge those shooting out of a tree stand. For me,
Speaker 2: seems to be a lot easier. I've got freedom of movement.
Speaker 2: They don't seem to be looking at me up there
Speaker 2: as much I can get away with more. These ground blinds,
Speaker 2: I swear these now, these redneck type blinds or these
Speaker 2: elevated ground blinds that we've got spread out through We're
Speaker 2: not in them all the time, but but they're spread
Speaker 2: out throughout the property. I swear they know you're in
Speaker 2: there the second they are in, like visible rains. Those
Speaker 2: dang deer know that something's in there. They know the
Speaker 2: windows open something like they're just not right, you know,
Speaker 2: from the time that they walk out. But so you
Speaker 2: add that with the ability of you know, these chairs,
Speaker 2: they no matter how quiet you try to get them,
Speaker 2: they squeak, they do. So it's like everything I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a nervous wreckon there, Like I don't know if I
Speaker 2: could move, I don't know if I can blink, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I can grab my binoculars. You add
Speaker 2: all that into like what Dirk just said, these bucks aren't.
Speaker 2: Now there may be feed at some of these locations,
Speaker 2: they don't they don't care about that the only reason
Speaker 2: they're there because the feed brings in some dose at times,
Speaker 2: and so they're they're scent checking. But those deer are
Speaker 2: scent checking. If they don't smell anything within three or
Speaker 2: four seconds, five ten seconds, they're out. And you don't
Speaker 2: ever have a possibility. And so you couple all this
Speaker 2: with can I move? Can I range this thing fast enough?
Speaker 2: Can I get my bow drawn? Shooting out of a
Speaker 2: blind is? Uh doesn't seem to be the easiest thing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: One thing I kind of watched those bucks do this
Speaker 1: week is they'd come by the let's say there's a
Speaker 1: corn pile there. They come by there, they're looking for dose.
Speaker 1: They they don't even walk up to the corn pile.
Speaker 1: They bypass it, so they're not even getting caught on
Speaker 1: camera on the trail camera. And then I watched them
Speaker 1: like kind of pause out there, and then they'd scoop
Speaker 1: up a few little aakes and eat those and munch
Speaker 1: on those like on the way. It's almost like they
Speaker 1: just kind of snack along as they go instead of
Speaker 1: like going to the corn pile. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they just don't like it or if it's just it's
Speaker 1: too much of a hindrance. They just don't want to
Speaker 1: slow down and eat. But I didn't have some little
Speaker 1: bucks come in any corn, so you just you never know.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, those big bucks just they a lot
Speaker 2: of times. What we see them do is they will
Speaker 2: cruise the entire timber patch on the downwind side of
Speaker 2: where that corn may be. You know, they're going to
Speaker 2: run that entire length or stretch or however they can win,
Speaker 2: check out the fastest and most efficient, and then they're
Speaker 2: they're not stopping to eat corn. Right. They may go
Speaker 2: check on it visually, like you said, just check on it.
Speaker 2: Are their dose there? If not, if they can't win
Speaker 2: check it, then they're out right.
Speaker 1: And that wind, the wind is a huge thing so
Speaker 1: us Western hunters we have our thermals that we hunt
Speaker 1: off of, but back here in the Midwest it's so flat.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have an eastern wind, pretty you
Speaker 1: can almost pretty much guarantee that everywhere on your property
Speaker 1: you're gonna have any and win, right unless you get
Speaker 1: down over into some little little coolies and creeks and
Speaker 1: some bluffs and it may make things kind of swirl
Speaker 1: a little bit. But so that that's another level of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have to consider where you're gonna which stands you're
Speaker 1: gonna sit in. Maybe you've got some really big bucks
Speaker 1: on this stand that you've been seeing on trail camera,
Speaker 1: but the wind's wrong and you can't hunt it, and
Speaker 1: so rather than blow it, go in there and hunt
Speaker 1: and blow them out of there. Then you're looking at
Speaker 1: other stands that maybe not be quite as ideal but
Speaker 1: still do have deer on them. But let's face it,
Speaker 1: you're not going to just sit it back at camp,
Speaker 1: sit on the on the couch and watch TV all
Speaker 1: day because you don't have a perfect wind. You'll just
Speaker 1: go hunt the stands that you can have a perfect
Speaker 1: wind for that particular stand.
Speaker 2: Yeap, And there's like we come out here limited days.
Speaker 2: You know, you got seven days to hunt. You're going
Speaker 2: to be in a stand every day, every morning, every night,
Speaker 2: if not a full day sit and so you got
Speaker 2: to be out there. And one thing that that was
Speaker 2: different than last year, the majority of the winds you
Speaker 2: got were north, which is a preferred wind here. This year,
Speaker 2: I think I don't know we got what every day
Speaker 2: besides the last day and a half, and maybe we
Speaker 2: had one day like the third day right, we had
Speaker 2: a north wind. Everything else has been out of the south,
Speaker 2: which not that Randy doesn't have great south stands, but
Speaker 2: I would say the majority of his stands are set
Speaker 2: up for a north wind, and we just so it
Speaker 2: required us to hunt some stands that maybe they're still good,
Speaker 2: but they're not as good as some of his north
Speaker 2: stands that he'd prefer to have us in while we're here.
Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's just kind of how the
Speaker 1: woods kind of lay out and deer movement lays out too,
Speaker 1: to where they're going to move under their preferred areas,
Speaker 1: and that north wind is going to be to our benefit,
Speaker 1: and if it ain't that north wind, then then it's
Speaker 1: going to be the deer's benefit. Like for instance, this
Speaker 1: morning was it definitely a different morning than yesterday. Yesterday
Speaker 1: we had more of an east wind. This morning was
Speaker 1: a north north northwest wind, and the deer were definitely
Speaker 1: moving different in that little block of woods. They were
Speaker 1: skirt along that that south end of the woods kind
Speaker 1: of like in a fringe area, you you kind of
Speaker 1: transition from a from a hardwood stand into like kind
Speaker 1: of some scrubby pasture land. So they were walking right
Speaker 1: down along that edge and they can sin check that
Speaker 1: whole stand of woods just by walking that line yesterday.
Speaker 1: They couldn't have done that. They'd had they had had
Speaker 1: to move differently, and you can tell just by today
Speaker 1: where they came in, how they how they moved through there.
Speaker 1: Then that north wind, it was just money.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, high pressure north wind seemed to get everything
Speaker 2: we needed tonight and the deer. Deer moved right, they
Speaker 2: were more comfortable moving in that coming off of that
Speaker 2: low pressure in that little storm system. Definitely what I
Speaker 2: seen as well on where I was at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this morning it was pretty overcast, cold, pretty windy,
Speaker 1: and then the wind's picked up even more this afternoon
Speaker 1: and then it turned off, bright skies cleared off, cleared
Speaker 1: off real nice. Still a little bit of wind. But
Speaker 1: these deer here in Kansas kind of like a little
Speaker 1: bit of win ten to fifteen mile an hour winds.
Speaker 1: They seem to be comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, And you know we hunted here last year
Speaker 2: Chris Paris Randy like them Kansas deer. They love their wind.
Speaker 2: You know, they don't want to hunt on a five
Speaker 2: mile there one day. They want to hunt on a
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen, and the deer here they're used to
Speaker 2: the wind. They're comfortable with it coming out of the north.
Speaker 2: Seems seems to be, you know, just what you need
Speaker 2: as a hunter. Covers up somewhere you're selling, makes you
Speaker 2: a little more comfortable. So it's like the perfect perfect wind,
Speaker 2: it seems like here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So once thing's cleared off this afternoon, we got
Speaker 1: in our stands. What happened in your stand?
Speaker 2: So we get there about one last night of the hunt.
Speaker 2: You look at your watch, You're like, all right, I've
Speaker 2: got four hours and fifteen minutes to sit here. Like
Speaker 2: last last rah, gets started pretty slow. We're greeted to
Speaker 2: start with by a group of about ten turkeys from
Speaker 2: our left, end up having about thirty turkeys coming from
Speaker 2: behind us to our right. If that wasn't enough, then
Speaker 2: the group of ten long beards all showed up, so
Speaker 2: we ended up with about fifty or sixty turkeys in
Speaker 2: our food plot. Right off the bat.
Speaker 1: It sounds like like that scene off Anchorman when Ron
Speaker 1: Burgundy gets jumped by the the Night news team and
Speaker 1: then pretty soon the Public Broadcasting news team and then
Speaker 1: the the Hispanic Broadcasting news team, and they all had
Speaker 1: their big gang fight. It seems like that's kind of
Speaker 1: like what was going on with the turkeys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the one group of hands. So we don't
Speaker 2: want the hens out there when the deer come in
Speaker 2: a lot of times we've just found out sometimes I
Speaker 2: don't know why the deer don't want to put up
Speaker 2: with the turkeys out there. The turkeys kind of little
Speaker 2: bossy run the field, flap their wings at him, get close,
Speaker 2: kind of run them off. So we kind of stick
Speaker 2: our face out the blinds and wave our hats and
Speaker 2: make some weird noises, and we got all of them
Speaker 2: out of the field. Sor right, we're ready to deer
Speaker 2: hunt now, heck with these turkeys on them. In April,
Speaker 2: we have a little dough come in same trowl we
Speaker 2: walked on. She gets behind her stand for some reason,
Speaker 2: doesn't cut out into the We're sitting on a freshly
Speaker 2: planted food plot. I think it's got oats out there,
Speaker 2: so real, real low just sitting on a food plot.
Speaker 2: Comes behind us, wins us. I'm like, wow, that was
Speaker 2: an ideal. She's supposed to come out in front of us,
Speaker 2: like we have great wind for this food plot. Then
Speaker 2: we're greeted by what one of the one of the
Speaker 2: bucks we knew was in the area. He comes out
Speaker 2: at about eighty seventy to eighty yards out to my
Speaker 2: left and doesn't he's chasing. He's just running these ridges.
Speaker 2: He has no intention of slowing up. He's gone. He
Speaker 2: leaves the field about one hundred yards and sit there
Speaker 2: for another twenty minutes. She's like, come on, like shadows
Speaker 2: are hitting the field, like deer should be moving. Now.
Speaker 2: We got a little micro eight point show up. So
Speaker 2: for anybody back west, and it depends on where he
Speaker 2: got out west where I would from, I would call
Speaker 2: it a three point with iye guards. Dirk would count
Speaker 2: the highgrads and call it a four point, and I
Speaker 2: would call it eastern count a micro eight point. So
Speaker 2: very small, like twelve inch year and a half old deer.
Speaker 2: Maybe good genetics. But he walks out a little more nervously,
Speaker 2: kind of gets gets down to where that butt crossed
Speaker 2: and he follows him. So maybe a hot dough went
Speaker 2: through there earlier. Maybe just their their travel ight out.
Speaker 2: So we're sitting there waiting and Dave. Dave kind of
Speaker 2: jokingly says, next year comes out, it'll be the shooter like, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: you know, what are the chances of that? Just you
Speaker 2: know there'll be a dough and then maybe he'll come
Speaker 2: out later. So we're sitting there, maybe twenty minutes goes by.
Speaker 2: It's about four point thirty. I'm sitting in the blind,
Speaker 2: and if you haven't set these redneck blinds before, you've
Speaker 2: got an archery window kind of in the corner, an
Speaker 2: archery window in the corner, and then you've got what
Speaker 2: I would consider like a gun window in the middle.
Speaker 2: So I sit in the left side of the blind
Speaker 2: because the right handed shooter, I can shoot out the
Speaker 2: right window, I can shoot out the front, and if
Speaker 2: I needed to, I can kind of lean forward and
Speaker 2: shoot out the window of my left. But as I'm
Speaker 2: sitting in my chair, I don't have much visibility out
Speaker 2: of this archery window to my left. That's kind of
Speaker 2: Dave's window. I'm but I can hear something coming at
Speaker 2: about four point thirty to my left. I'm close to him,
Speaker 2: like Dave, something's out my window. He kind of we're
Speaker 2: kind of sitting there looking. All of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: dough kind of squirts out, so we both see it
Speaker 2: at the same time. Well, there's a dough not thinking
Speaker 2: there's a buck, like she just ran out the field.
Speaker 2: She's ready to eat and be excited to be there.
Speaker 2: And then Dave, I don't remember exactly what he says,
Speaker 2: but he does not. He doesn't convince me that it's
Speaker 2: a shooter buck. He makes something He's like, he's right there.
Speaker 2: There's something to that effect, like there's a buck, obviously,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what it is. And then, in
Speaker 2: all my genius getting the blind set up, I've knocked
Speaker 2: my arrow and set it down on the gun holder
Speaker 2: that takes up the majority of sitting right next to
Speaker 2: that front left window where I need to go grab
Speaker 2: my bow. So I'm in a position where I've just
Speaker 2: got to like, let this thing walk out. I can't
Speaker 2: reach for my bow. I'm gonna scare it before we
Speaker 2: get started. As soon as he flashes through that window, though,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's a shooter. It's a good nine
Speaker 2: mature buck. Easily identify him four and a half plus,
Speaker 2: maybe older, but I'm gonna guess four and a half,
Speaker 2: five and a half max, but a good, good nine
Speaker 2: point buck. I want to shoot it. Randy'd be happy
Speaker 2: for me to shoot this buck. That dough that squirted
Speaker 2: out to our left. She there. We've got a little
Speaker 2: island of brush out in front of us. So you
Speaker 2: got like a clear lane down your left, a clear
Speaker 2: lane out to your right, and then you've got this
Speaker 2: Randy had left a pilot brush in the middle of
Speaker 2: his food plot. The dough kind of zigzags her way
Speaker 2: through that and pops out on the other side. Well,
Speaker 2: the buck kind of slowly picks up follows her. Well,
Speaker 2: she doesn't like him following her, so she comes back
Speaker 2: through the brush to where she just came. That should
Speaker 2: put him in about fifteen yards. Well, she comes at me,
Speaker 2: and then the wine's right in front of the She
Speaker 2: comes kind of a diagonal towards me to my left.
Speaker 2: She gets there and then wind's out. Well, he's grunting
Speaker 2: the whole way, coming right back, fallowing er. So why
Speaker 2: he's in this brush pile. It's the perfect time for
Speaker 2: me to draw silently. I'm drawn looking out my left window,
Speaker 2: and that buck comes around the corner like fifteen But
Speaker 2: he's moving too fast. You know, there's there's no I
Speaker 2: don't want to shoot a frontel. He's in a folded
Speaker 2: dough in front of our blind, and he gets to
Speaker 2: a He's at like twelve yards right now, right in
Speaker 2: these blinds. I think the one i'mend's maybe a ten
Speaker 2: or twelve foot elevated platform, not real tall. Some of
Speaker 2: them are fifteen. Some of them even go up to twenty.
Speaker 2: But I'm just in a ten or twelve, which is
Speaker 2: actually helps in this situation where I've got to try
Speaker 2: to shoot down at this deer. So I'm already at
Speaker 2: full draw. I put my pin at twenty right where
Speaker 2: I want to hit, and I'm just kind of getting
Speaker 2: ready to is the broadside right in front of the blind,
Speaker 2: and I just happened to glance down at my AAR
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh boy, my arrow is just gonna
Speaker 2: blow out the side of Randy's fiberglass blind right like
Speaker 2: the air is not gonna make it through where my
Speaker 2: pin says it's gonna hit right. So I don't panic,
Speaker 2: but I quickly need to like stand up or sit
Speaker 2: up as tall as you can in your seat. I
Speaker 2: need to get that extra two or three inches out
Speaker 2: of my tour, so you know, I go to lift
Speaker 2: my bow up. Not to add to the situation, I
Speaker 2: bump my stabilizer on the little gun shelf that sticks
Speaker 2: out about two inches from the window. A pro tip.
Speaker 2: Maybe if you're a Western hunter and you think these
Speaker 2: long ten inch stabilizers are great, maybe in a white
Speaker 2: tail blind you switch to a four inch stabilizer. I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking our thirty four inch bows could be a
Speaker 1: little shorter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just everything. My thirty two inch
Speaker 2: arrow was a pain in the butt until you get
Speaker 2: your bow drawn. Like everything is tight. But I drill
Speaker 2: the the platform that's in front of this window, the
Speaker 2: little shelf. I don't know why the buck didn't care,
Speaker 2: but I drill it and he doesn't even pick his
Speaker 2: head up, skip a beat, nothing. It was in love
Speaker 2: me quickly, Now panahe worse because the buck is continually
Speaker 2: getting more quartered away. Right as he goes from my
Speaker 2: left to my right, I pull my boat back at
Speaker 2: full draw, lift up an extra inch, and then come
Speaker 2: back forward. As I get my bow forward, he's still
Speaker 2: at a shootable range. He's slowly walking. I settled my
Speaker 2: twenty in and hit him quartered away pretty good, but
Speaker 2: but had perfect chance of hitting both lungs and hit
Speaker 2: the arrow right where I needed to fortunately watched them
Speaker 2: trot across the field. I could see where my exit
Speaker 2: was perfect in the pocket. My entry had foam coming
Speaker 2: out of it. We're able to watch a buck within
Speaker 2: a minute go over and bed down and expire. So yeah,
Speaker 2: last minute of the last night. It's so cliche to say,
Speaker 2: but it's like, it's just time in the saddle, you know.
Speaker 2: It just goes to show that white to't And I
Speaker 2: don't claim to be an expert. You hear a lot
Speaker 2: of the pros talk about it. It's just time in
Speaker 2: the saddle. Either that and picking your weather and being
Speaker 2: at the right place at the right time. So super
Speaker 2: super lucky. And that was right. I was texting you
Speaker 2: guys that I had shot one right before your night
Speaker 2: was just getting going, and I felt it was a
Speaker 2: little bit late, but your night was just kind of
Speaker 2: getting started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we hadn't really seen a lot up unto that point,
Speaker 1: but we had this buck that we spotted more kind
Speaker 1: of scrape along the edge of the field and along
Speaker 1: the fence row there, and he had a pretty bad lamp.
Speaker 1: You know. He was a mature buck. His rack wasn't
Speaker 1: real big, but we'd seen him before and Randy He's like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to shoot that thing, you
Speaker 1: should take him out because with him lamping and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, he may not make the winner. So we
Speaker 1: had to do that buck of favor. So that buck
Speaker 1: actually comes in and there's a feeder there, and there's
Speaker 1: a little a little button buck feed eating corner out
Speaker 1: of this feeder, and this this bigger buck. He starts
Speaker 1: coming in and then the last minute, before you know,
Speaker 1: he's about fifty yards out from the feeder. Then he
Speaker 1: makes this wide berth and he gets out in the
Speaker 1: standing corner and then he comes into a straight angle
Speaker 1: to this feeder and he gets pretty close and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he gets jumpy and spooky. Well, at
Speaker 1: that very moment, I was putting tension on my string,
Speaker 1: getting ready to draw because he needed to take like
Speaker 1: two more steps and I was going to have a shot. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why he spooked. Because he spooked, he
Speaker 1: was like looking towards that other little deer or that
Speaker 1: direction which was away from us, and he almost had
Speaker 1: his nose in the air like he was smelling something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he smelled like he thought that
Speaker 1: little buck was a doe and that that kind of
Speaker 1: freaked him out, or maybe there was a coyout in
Speaker 1: the you know, over in the in the corn somewhere
Speaker 1: that we couldn't see, but he he kind of freaked
Speaker 1: out and he took off, and we're down to the
Speaker 1: wire there, you know, we're the last thirty minutes of light.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, oh no, and I was
Speaker 1: were deflated, like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a buck. We only have thirty minutes left now
Speaker 1: that now the odds are really stacked against us. So
Speaker 1: we watched him kind of walk off, and about that time,
Speaker 1: the phone started buzzing. Well during that whole episode, the
Speaker 1: phone was buzzing. The first message I look at it's
Speaker 1: a message from Randy and he's got a trail cam
Speaker 1: picture and he says, man, I feel bad. I bet
Speaker 1: Dirk's would be sad. I feel bad for him. And
Speaker 1: were we were Dusty and I had been sitting for
Speaker 1: a day and a half on this other blind Then
Speaker 1: there's this big, old, big old eight point buck that
Speaker 1: we'd been kind of seeing off and on all week,
Speaker 1: and we were just hoping, you know, to get a
Speaker 1: crack at him. And as soon as we moved from
Speaker 1: that blind that buck shows up would have been a
Speaker 1: perfect twenty yard shot. We did we didn't. We hadn't
Speaker 1: nailed him, So then that was like insult to injury.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, I'm like, you know, what's
Speaker 1: the chance is. You know, if it's gonna happen to anybody,
Speaker 1: will be me, right. So then I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: other message. I'm like, oh, oh, great, Jason shot at ELK.
Speaker 1: Good for him now, but r no, did I say elk? Yeah? Sorry? Yeah, good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he shot a buck. Good for him. But I was
Speaker 1: actually pretty pumped for him. I was like, that's good.
Speaker 1: But so one of us needed to draw some blood.
Speaker 1: It's been, you know, kind of a tough hunt. Not
Speaker 1: to get plain, but it's it's been a tough hunt.
Speaker 1: And so I was just kind of sitting there licking
Speaker 1: my wounds a little bit, thinking, well, this is how
Speaker 1: the you know, the the hunt ends, you know, watching
Speaker 1: the pretty sunset fade away, and the gray light was
Speaker 1: getting pretty long, and and I catch this, the shape
Speaker 1: of a deer up at the end of this field.
Speaker 1: I pull out my binoculars. I'm like, holy cow, Dusty,
Speaker 1: I said, there's a giant buck walking across. He's walking
Speaker 1: along this fence row, but I don't know, almost almost
Speaker 1: two hundred yards away. He's kind of walking along real slow,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I have to do something to
Speaker 1: get this buck to come our way, because he's not
Speaker 1: coming our direction whatsoever. There's nothing that's going to lead
Speaker 1: him here. So I pick up my grunt call and
Speaker 1: I start blasting on that grunt call. We're just ba.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I blast him like four or five big, long, aggressive grunts,
Speaker 1: and he stops and looks at us, and then he
Speaker 1: just starts walking again on the same path he was walking.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, that didn't work. So I
Speaker 1: have a dough bleat as well. So I start hammering
Speaker 1: on that thing, and I don't know if I'm doing
Speaker 1: it right. I don't know if I'm doing it wrong
Speaker 1: at this point, it's just an act of desperation. So
Speaker 1: I was blown on that thing really loud because he's
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away. So I start blowing on
Speaker 1: in It's like rah rah, and it was almost like
Speaker 1: like a doe in distress that's been injured or something
Speaker 1: and making that god awful noise they make, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't even look our way. I'm like, man, that
Speaker 1: didn't work either. And then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like when somebody starts steering a boat. He just starts
Speaker 1: starting to gradually starts turn in our direction, and he turns, turn, turns,
Speaker 1: and he's walking right towards us. I'm like, holy call,
Speaker 1: here he comes, Dusty, here he comes. I gotta get ready.
Speaker 1: And this thing's coming through this cornfield and it's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it's not like the corner you picture
Speaker 1: you see that that really like really tall stalks, they're
Speaker 1: you know, ten feet tall and bright green. This is,
Speaker 1: you know, a little more of a scabby patch of corn.
Speaker 1: You know, you can see through it in a lot
Speaker 1: of it. So we can watch him come most of
Speaker 1: the way. And he comes and uh, there's a there's
Speaker 1: a swath cut through that corn and he walks into
Speaker 1: that swath and he's about fifty yards and right then
Speaker 1: I could have I could have stopped him, but I thought, well,
Speaker 1: he may take the same path as that other buck.
Speaker 1: He may smell that bucks tracks and maybe maybe come
Speaker 1: over towards us. So I don't want to shoot. I
Speaker 1: don't want to stop in there, he's fifty yards. I'd
Speaker 1: rather have a closer shot, so I don't stop him.
Speaker 1: He crosses through that swath and gets back in the
Speaker 1: corner again, and then I can tell by his route
Speaker 1: he's not going to come our direction. So at that
Speaker 1: point I draw my bow and then I stop him. Man, man,
Speaker 1: you know, give him a few of those, and he stops,
Speaker 1: and I shoot, and I see my lighted knock fly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's oh, it's in there. It's in there.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I don't think it's in there.
Speaker 1: He kind of runs off and kind of trotted off,
Speaker 1: didn't act like he was hit, and he kind of
Speaker 1: walks over the edge of the field, stops, looks at us.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I don't think he's hit. So I
Speaker 1: check him with binoculars. See no blood or you know,
Speaker 1: holds in him. So I start, I start grunting again,
Speaker 1: and he just kind of walks a little ways and
Speaker 1: then starts. He stops and starts licking a branch like
Speaker 1: there's a scrape there. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 1: not hurt. He says, start making a scrape here. And
Speaker 1: he messed around there for a minute and then just
Speaker 1: kind of slowly walked off into the sunset. And it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful a point, like a monster, like would have
Speaker 1: been my biggest white tail by far. Yeah, it kind
Speaker 1: of hurt a little bit. I mean, my heart's broken,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I'm I'm gonna ever recuperate
Speaker 1: from it. But I will say those both those deer tonight,
Speaker 1: both of them, Even the first one, I thought my
Speaker 1: heart was going to to leap out of my chest.
Speaker 1: It was pounding so hard. I think it was way
Speaker 1: more of adrenaline rush or way more exciting than when
Speaker 1: I have a bowl out come in. I guess I'm
Speaker 1: kind of used to, you know, calling an elk for
Speaker 1: so many years, and these white tails with the bow
Speaker 1: is so so new to me. I was definitely I
Speaker 1: really had to like try to control myself because I
Speaker 1: was kind of freaking out a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I my buck, your first blow on me.
Speaker 2: I got so excited that as I went the full dry,
Speaker 2: I ended up with the bloody noses dripping down my
Speaker 2: face as I was trying to hold all that mess together.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't keep my I don't keep myself
Speaker 2: together very well. I don't know if it's because the
Speaker 2: element a surprise or you know, you're working an elk,
Speaker 2: so you're like in constant communication and so it's like
Speaker 2: a slow build up or a slower build up versus
Speaker 2: like you went from seeing nothing to all of a
Speaker 2: sudden the shoot her buck and you got to try
Speaker 2: to figure it out. Yeah, it's it's a different it's tough.
Speaker 1: It's like almost a different anticipation for me. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've kind of like it. I have
Speaker 1: to struggle really hard to like make sure I keep
Speaker 1: my crap.
Speaker 2: Together, but sure remind yourself to breathe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well after this, hut, what do you what do
Speaker 1: you think? What's what's what's your takeaways?
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, last year I think we maybe
Speaker 2: had it too good. Oh, this stuff pretty exciting. Like
Speaker 2: you don't have to there's no mental game to this.
Speaker 2: You just jumping a tree and watch the deer all
Speaker 2: day and you'll shoot the one that eventually want to,
Speaker 2: you know, but this year was a different tale. A
Speaker 2: lot of hours go by without seeing a deer having
Speaker 2: much action. So yeah, it's definitely a mental game, trying
Speaker 2: to keep your trying to keep your head in the game,
Speaker 2: even though weather wasn't helping us out, movement wasn't right.
Speaker 2: You know, the Bucks were in the middle of the lockdown.
Speaker 2: You know, they they've had multiple years of drought, so
Speaker 2: their numbers are down a little bit. Ehd you know,
Speaker 2: all of this kind of playing in. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: they still have a great deer numbers and great deer
Speaker 2: on there on Randy's property. You know, he's did a
Speaker 2: great job. But it's tough. It's it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of commitment and perseverance just sitting that
Speaker 2: tree all day, stay alert, you know, you know, because
Speaker 2: a lot of times, as we mentioned, you might only
Speaker 2: see those deer a few times and you need to
Speaker 2: react pretty quick. So no, it's tough. It's tough on
Speaker 2: a different level versus you know, hiking all day, you know,
Speaker 2: in the Western country trying to you know, hunt deer,
Speaker 2: elk versus you know, whitetail. You got to have the
Speaker 2: mental to sit. And one thing I'm excited to get
Speaker 2: to do next year is a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of what we get to reap the rewards of is
Speaker 2: Randy's work in the off season, or him and his
Speaker 2: buddy's work, you know, setney stands. We're gonna hopefully get
Speaker 2: to set some of these stands and make them make
Speaker 2: some decisions with them next year on you know, where
Speaker 2: we've seen the deer move where we think the deer
Speaker 2: going to be, and focus on these pitch points and
Speaker 2: kind of help him get some stands reorganized. So I'll
Speaker 2: be I'm excited to be a part of that because
Speaker 2: right now I just get to take advantage of where
Speaker 2: Randy's did all the research and set the stands and
Speaker 2: put all the work in where I'd love to put
Speaker 2: a little bit of sweat equity in. But yeah, my
Speaker 2: takeaway is it's it's it's not physical by any means,
Speaker 2: but it's definitely like a mental stress that you're under
Speaker 2: all day, just trying to get through the day and
Speaker 2: stay alert and hunt hard. And by hunting hard, I
Speaker 2: don't mean hiking hills and sweat, and I mean like
Speaker 2: staying awake, stay alert and being ready when the time comes.
Speaker 1: Why did you like, look at me, funny when you
Speaker 1: said stay awake?
Speaker 2: We were I was trying to take the over under
Speaker 2: at times. Dusty, your camera man, he was giving me
Speaker 2: the odds. He was the odds maker. You say he
Speaker 2: was Vegas in this he said he was going to
Speaker 2: set the betting line at forty sixty. So that means
Speaker 2: that's real close to where you were at sleep wise,
Speaker 2: you were asleep forty percent of time and a week
Speaker 2: maybe sixty percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, I thought it was him that was sleeping
Speaker 1: all that that I was gonna I was gonna throw
Speaker 1: him under the bus for sleeping. But no, actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time. Man if I if I
Speaker 1: sit very long, I man, I doze off. But it
Speaker 1: was good to have him there because if I dozed off,
Speaker 1: he was just like he was. He's like, hey, there
Speaker 1: comes a deer. And then I wake up like I
Speaker 1: don't know who my name is. I'm like I'm looking
Speaker 1: around like we're trying to focus on where am I.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's nice to have him there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I agree, it's a it's a it's a definitely
Speaker 1: a mental game. You have to have the discipline to
Speaker 1: to stay alert. You know, move slowly, don't you know,
Speaker 1: just because you're in a blind doesn't mean deer can't
Speaker 1: see it. They can still see you, and you just
Speaker 1: have to make slow movements, deliberate movements, glass, check every
Speaker 1: little spot over and over and over again, and that
Speaker 1: that's kind of the hard part. Like Western hung we
Speaker 1: get to see new views and vistas throughout the day
Speaker 1: as we hike, but here it's just like the same
Speaker 1: old spots. And you get a little bit of win
Speaker 1: and you get a little bit of leaves and stuff
Speaker 1: falling from the trees, and and pretty soon you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I saw a tail flicker and yeah it was just
Speaker 1: a leaf. And you do that all day and it's it.
Speaker 1: It can wear on you. I know. The other night
Speaker 1: was that last night where we were sitting here and like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It's exhausting sometimes to do that, I guess if you're
Speaker 1: not used to it. But yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: fun and I can't wait till till we get to
Speaker 1: come back and help Randy. You know, rework a lot
Speaker 1: of his stands. He's got a lot of stands. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to just dig them out and
Speaker 1: replace him, or not replace them, but reset them, relocate them,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, fine tune them a little bit.
Speaker 1: They're in a good spot, but maybe by moving them
Speaker 1: one hundred yards. Now you're really in the spot where
Speaker 1: the deer are going to come by, which we've kind
Speaker 1: of seen some of those places too, but but that,
Speaker 1: like you say, it gives you some skin in the game.
Speaker 1: And and now we feel better about coming out, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: accepting his hospitality. And I mean, we can't think if
Speaker 1: Randy listens to this, we can't thank him enough. I
Speaker 1: don't know what we ever did to deserve in invitation
Speaker 1: to come out here. You know, we've been out here hunting,
Speaker 1: turkey hunting three times and deer hunting twice, and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just thankful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, such a generous guy, just salted the earth. One
Speaker 2: of the best guys you know, you can be around,
Speaker 2: fun to be around. You know, there's a lot about
Speaker 2: hunting those, a lot about his property, you know, managing
Speaker 2: the property, hard worker, you know, just one of those
Speaker 2: guys you like to be around. And yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like you know, to echo your sentiment, like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what we did deserve to be here, but hopefully
Speaker 2: he keeps inviting us back. And yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: how we're going to repay him, but uh, maybe we'll
Speaker 2: move some stands and uh, just uh, I don't know, likeviously,
Speaker 2: I don't know what we did, but it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a pleasure to get to come out to Kansas.
Speaker 2: I look forward to this trip every year. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: The places managed to a t and uh it's a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the in the area. I'd never spent
Speaker 1: really any time in Kansas before, and I love it
Speaker 1: out here. It's it's like you're taking a step back
Speaker 1: in time, you know, these this small town America and
Speaker 1: the people here are super nice and it's just man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's more places could be like this.
Speaker 2: Yep, good people. Everybody's your friend, go to the gas
Speaker 2: station like everybody's asking how It's just yeah, I wish
Speaker 2: I wish a lot more places were like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. Well. I want to thank
Speaker 1: everybody for listening today. If you guys have any questions
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