WEBVTT - One on One: Devon Michaels

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<v Speaker 1>I Am all In.

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<v Speaker 1>Devin Michaels is joining us. Here are some Gilmore facts.

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<v Speaker 1>He portrayed Bill for nine episodes of Gilmore Girls. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good haul. Bill was a Yale Daily News

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<v Speaker 1>student who eventually succeeded after Rory as editor in chief.

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<v Speaker 1>He grew up in New York City doing theater. He

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<v Speaker 1>debut on Broadway at age twelve, and I went on

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<v Speaker 1>to perform several prominent off Broadway venues. He also graduated

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<v Speaker 1>Yale University with a degree in Theater studies and psychology

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<v Speaker 1>as Television appearances include Fraser, The West Wing, The Division,

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<v Speaker 1>Monk Without a Trace, House Numbers, and more recently, you

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<v Speaker 1>can catch them on The Rookie and Race and Frankie.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's bring him in, Devin Michaels, Devin, thanks for coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>First off, how'd you get the role on Gilmore Girls?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I had gotten brought in years earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was still season one for just a

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<v Speaker 3>general interview with Jamie Rodowski and Mara Casey, and they

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<v Speaker 3>kept saying, you know, faster, and this was, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>before I really understood what that what that meant. And

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<v Speaker 3>I did it, you know, my little New York theater

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<v Speaker 3>experience growing up. I did it like ten percent faster,

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<v Speaker 3>twelve percent faster, and it kept they kept saying faster, faster,

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<v Speaker 3>and didn't hear from them for four and a half years.

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<v Speaker 3>So I figured, you know, okay, I did not go

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<v Speaker 3>fast enough. I had no idea what I was doing

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<v Speaker 3>for this particular show, and I didn't think i'd ever

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<v Speaker 3>hear from them again, and out of the blue, just

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<v Speaker 3>got brought in to read for Bill, and I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was I wasn't sure at first, you know, that

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<v Speaker 3>it was going to be a recurring that that wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>clear in the beginning. It was just Asian brought me

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<v Speaker 3>in for, you know, for this guest star role. And

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<v Speaker 3>I found out later that that not only was a

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<v Speaker 3>recurring role, but that.

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<v Speaker 4>It was based loosely.

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<v Speaker 3>On one of the writers of the show that that

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<v Speaker 3>they that I reminded them of. And so it ended

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<v Speaker 3>up I just had to not completely suck in the audition.

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<v Speaker 1>So you actually attended Yale University and you graduated from

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<v Speaker 1>the theater program very maybe the most prestigious theater program

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States other than Juilliard or I think

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<v Speaker 1>Northwestern is up there, but I don't, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Juilliard, I'm sorry, Yale REP is just right up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Or theater program. Now you you studied, uh is Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis still a prominent name up there, and I I

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<v Speaker 1>think he built that program. It's a three year program,

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<v Speaker 1>is it not?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I did not actually do Yale Drama School for undergrad gotcha.

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<v Speaker 3>I did major in theater studies and psychology with a

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<v Speaker 3>philosophy concentration that uh, there was some overlap.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course. I had had some some.

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<v Speaker 3>Some connection to the drama school because it was right there,

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<v Speaker 3>and did let some of the undergrad theater majors.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, talk to them once in a while. So

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't you know, complete silos.

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<v Speaker 3>But but no, I'm not familiar with the full you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the full drama school program.

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<v Speaker 1>So you grew up in New York City. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you get to Yale? What kind of grades did you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have to get into Yale?

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<v Speaker 3>I did have very good grades probably you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>unlike Bill, but I did. I was a kid actor.

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<v Speaker 3>I started acting when I was eleven years old. I

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<v Speaker 3>went to this theater camp stage door manor you might

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<v Speaker 3>have heard of a lot of other.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, a lot of other people in LA have

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<v Speaker 4>gone there.

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<v Speaker 3>And the directors of the camp who were fantastic, Jack

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<v Speaker 3>Romano and the other people there that they thought I

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<v Speaker 3>was really good and they introduced me to their agent

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<v Speaker 3>friends in New York at the time, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>started going out on auditions right away, and I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up booking a Broadway show. And thought, that's the way

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<v Speaker 3>that acting is. You just start auditioning and right away,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you get a Broadway show. But I found

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<v Speaker 3>out later it's it's a good tiver.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a good way to start a career. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you your first audition, Bang, there you are.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't the first audition, but it was. It was

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<v Speaker 4>the first year or so. Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was twelve when I when I was in Rags,

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<v Speaker 3>which the name of that show, and I ended up

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<v Speaker 3>inviting the entire cast to my bar Mitzvah that fall.

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<v Speaker 4>And quite a number of them came actually, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it like being that age, living from New

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<v Speaker 1>York and starring on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's completely absurd, and and I've spent the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of my life slowly, ever so slowly coming to

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<v Speaker 3>an understanding of how that's not real life and people

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<v Speaker 3>don't leap to their feet sixteen hundred people standing ovation

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<v Speaker 3>every night just because you've you've made the perfect over

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<v Speaker 3>easy egg that morning, which is you know, the more frequent.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing I my schedule lately.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's it's it's it's a ludicrous way to start,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was great. I got exposed to so many incredible,

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<v Speaker 3>incredible performers, and that was my you know, even before

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<v Speaker 3>getting to Yale, that was my education.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who was in that play?

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<v Speaker 3>So it starred Teresa Stratus who was an opera big

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<v Speaker 3>opera diva at the time, and and then Terrence Mann

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<v Speaker 3>was in it, Judy Kune and uh Lonnie Price. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>really it was it was quite the even just the

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<v Speaker 3>the the members of the ensemble, which is we're all

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<v Speaker 3>people that had done principal roles in.

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<v Speaker 1>Other Broadway shows. Now, did you ever actually go into

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<v Speaker 1>the Yale Daily News when you were at Yale. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you say it?

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<v Speaker 4>I was terrified of the real, the real Yale Daily

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<v Speaker 4>News when.

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<v Speaker 1>I was what was the real daily News? Like, what

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<v Speaker 1>was the what were the stories? What were the rumors?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it wasn't so much about about what I had heard.

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<v Speaker 3>It was more about the prospect of having deadlines like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I had actually been in high school. I am,

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<v Speaker 3>I was. I was an editor on my high school newspaper,

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<v Speaker 3>but luckily it came out about once a month, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was the kind of deadline I could handle. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was just I never went anywhere near trying to

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<v Speaker 3>go into the Yale Daily News when I was actually

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<v Speaker 3>at Yale, because they had to write and not procrastinate

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<v Speaker 3>for weeks at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you consult anybody with anybody who had experience in

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<v Speaker 1>the actual Yale Daily News for research for the role?

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you think Gilmore Girls accurately portrayed Yale?

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<v Speaker 4>It really did.

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually blown away by what they pulled off,

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<v Speaker 3>even just in terms of the set decoration, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the when I got to set and I saw the

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<v Speaker 3>whole classroom hallway there and the Yale Dale News main office,

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<v Speaker 3>it resembled so closely one of the classroom buildings at

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<v Speaker 3>Yale w lh so called Parkness Hall, and the wood

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<v Speaker 3>paneling in the halls and even the font on the

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<v Speaker 3>door numbers was they had their own font, the Yale font.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the actual thing that the yl Press has. It's

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<v Speaker 3>their own font, and that was the actual way we

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<v Speaker 3>used to see the door numbers. So it was a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a trip at first, just just that aspect of.

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<v Speaker 5>It for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So do the Gilmour fans recognize you as Bill?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they stop you on the street?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this show is amazing that way, isn't it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, it's been what seventeen eighteen years, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I still got recognized all the time from it, even

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, going out to dinner and the hostess

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<v Speaker 3>at the restaurant or yeah, it's it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 3>regular thing. It's just people keep watching this show and

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<v Speaker 3>rewatching it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, twenty five point two billion minutes consumed by

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<v Speaker 1>viewers on Netflix in twenty twenty three, twenty five billion.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why, you know, that's why I've made seven

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<v Speaker 3>billion from that.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't made seven cents.

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<v Speaker 4>Now wait, I have a seventeen cent check right over there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no Actually, I have a couple myself. What

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<v Speaker 1>are you up to? Now? What are you doing? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>You know I've gotten more. I'm still acting.

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<v Speaker 3>I still you know, I've been on a couple shows

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<v Speaker 3>the last few years, but I've also gotten a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more into writing and directing good. I mean, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>writing and directing all this time, but in particular the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years. I was fortunate enough to direct the

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<v Speaker 3>premiere of a brand new play in New York last year,

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<v Speaker 3>Brace for Impact, which was I mean still is Right

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<v Speaker 3>now the producers are looking for the next venue and

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<v Speaker 3>taking it to the next level. But it was just

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<v Speaker 3>a tremendous experience. Just that first run last spring was

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<v Speaker 3>It's just some of the best writing I've seen. My

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<v Speaker 3>friend Maya Nikifro wrote it, and it's such a personal story,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also just so fricking funny. From the moment

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<v Speaker 3>you sit down, you're kind of taken in and I

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<v Speaker 3>got to really play around a lot. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>There was this clown character who doesn't speak the entire show,

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<v Speaker 3>and I ended up using him.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's always.

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<v Speaker 3>Messing with the main the main character and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>leading her in and out of different parts of her

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<v Speaker 3>life and forcing her to face certain things.

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<v Speaker 4>And I kind of used him for some of the lighting.

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<v Speaker 3>I got him to plug in and and and uh

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<v Speaker 3>and unplug the the plugs for the for the some

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<v Speaker 3>of the light instruments that were based on the floor,

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<v Speaker 3>just to just to keep almost that that's that same

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<v Speaker 3>vibe that the character and airplane when he unplugs the

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<v Speaker 3>runway lights. You know, it was just I got to

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<v Speaker 3>have fun with so many aspects like that that.

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<v Speaker 4>That, Yeah, normally I don't get a chance to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, let me ask you, do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>direct film?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually I have a script in development right now

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<v Speaker 3>that actually it's between its second and third draft that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Fingers Crossed right now. I think they have

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<v Speaker 3>about a third of the funding so far for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And who do you like? What directors do you really

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<v Speaker 1>really inspire you? Who are your top people that you

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<v Speaker 1>always watch their films whenever they're on.

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<v Speaker 4>Paul Thomas Anderson, Charlie Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, yeah, those are the two biggies who I

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<v Speaker 3>don't miss.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't miss their work.

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<v Speaker 3>James Gray, James Gray he's a fascinating director.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that one with Brad Pitt.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of years ago was one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating meditation.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one was that ad Astra? You know what? I

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<v Speaker 1>love that film?

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<v Speaker 4>It was something, wasn't it was extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like Brad Pitt. I think he's remarkably talented. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that film, to me proves the point that movie stars

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<v Speaker 1>are few and far between. Can you imagine anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>in that role trying to carry a film like that

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't take your eyes off it. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he brings to the table because not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people can do that.

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<v Speaker 4>He's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny you should say, you know what you

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<v Speaker 3>how you were just describing it. You know, I brought

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<v Speaker 3>that film up to people and I've said, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>ninety five percent of the film is the story is

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<v Speaker 3>told in these two eyes. That's that's it. You know

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<v Speaker 3>that there's there's very little dialogue. There's certain sequences that

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<v Speaker 3>have it, but the story is so clear, yep, so

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<v Speaker 3>clear and brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just remarkable filmmaking, a courageous filmmaking. Well, in my estimation,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to be a very fine director.

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<v Speaker 4>I brought that one up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do a little thing called rapid fire.

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<v Speaker 1>No pressure to answer quickly or speak rapidly. We just

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<v Speaker 1>call it rapid fire. How do you like your coffee?

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<v Speaker 4>Very carefully?

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<v Speaker 1>Are your team Logan, Team Jess or Team Dean?

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard for me not to be Team Logan. That's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, That's what I spent the most time with.

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<v Speaker 1>And Yeah, he's kind of irresistible, isn't he? Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a terrific guy. He's just such a great guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know your root for him. Yeah. Who's your film favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>Gilmore Girls couple? Luke and Laurelo or Emily and Richard? Luke,

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<v Speaker 1>laurla Yeah, I don't care what you say anything, It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. Would you rather work with Michelle or Kirk? Again,

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<v Speaker 1>don't care who you choose. Kirk, what would you order it?

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<v Speaker 4>Luke's diner, the perfect over easy eggs, so I can

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<v Speaker 4>judge it against.

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<v Speaker 1>My own good Who would you rather hang out with

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<v Speaker 1>Paris or Lane?

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<v Speaker 4>Paris?

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<v Speaker 3>I know that sounds strange coming from Yeah, but as

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<v Speaker 3>much as Bill hated Paris in real life, I actually

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<v Speaker 3>bonded with Liza more than anyone else on the set.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, would you rather who would

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<v Speaker 1>you rather hang with if you were in Paris, Paris

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<v Speaker 1>or Lane? Would you like Lane in Paris or Paris

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<v Speaker 1>in Paris.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna stick with Paris.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I already know the answer to this, Harvard

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<v Speaker 1>or Yale, as as.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you you you must have already been told

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<v Speaker 3>at some point Harvard secks. Yeah, there was this, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I tell it really quick. I tell this this horrendously

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<v Speaker 3>pretentious story when sometimes people ask me about what it

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<v Speaker 3>was like at Yale, and mostly, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 3>this amazing place and actually people just.

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<v Speaker 4>This remarkable priciple of community and learning. And but.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell this story about you know, the game, the

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<v Speaker 3>big football game that's usually between Harvard and Well, we

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<v Speaker 3>called the game because it's between Harvard and the yel right,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's the only one that matters. And that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I just called the game. So when Princeton came to

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<v Speaker 3>play one of the football games at the Yell Bowl,

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<v Speaker 3>they started doing the chant from across the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>from their side of the stadium, and they started yelling,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, of course Yale sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>Yale sucks. Yeh sucks. That was the chance and.

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<v Speaker 3>The response the perfectly snobbish but but you know it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's good enough to justify it. Response from our

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<v Speaker 3>side of the stadium was Harvard sucks. Harvard sucks because

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<v Speaker 3>Princeton doesn't even you know, register Why why are you

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<v Speaker 3>guys here?

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<v Speaker 1>So Preston doesn't have too bad of a football team.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, in real real life, you know, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>these are all amazing places.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is just such a slight. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been a pleasure, Devin. We have enjoyed your acting

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<v Speaker 1>on the show. We thought your head was going to

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<v Speaker 1>explode and several several points during your episodic journey through

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<v Speaker 1>Gilmore Girls, and we're glad to hear that you're friends

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<v Speaker 1>with Liza and that it didn't take on the life

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<v Speaker 1>of its own outside or off the set in the

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<v Speaker 1>same vein. But thank you so much, good luck with

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<v Speaker 1>everything with the directing and the writing, and hope to

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<v Speaker 1>see you your name and the credits and nominated on

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<v Speaker 1>the big screen or on the Tony Awards someday real soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Appreciate it all right, take care, Thanks so much.

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