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Speaker 1: I Am all In.

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Speaker 2: I Am all in with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hey Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In podcast, one

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Speaker 1: on one interview, one eleven productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Podcasts, iHeartMedia.

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Speaker 1: Devin Michaels is joining us. Here are some Gilmore facts.

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Speaker 1: He portrayed Bill for nine episodes of Gilmore Girls. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty good haul. Bill was a Yale Daily News

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Speaker 1: student who eventually succeeded after Rory as editor in chief.

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Speaker 1: He grew up in New York City doing theater. He

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Speaker 1: debut on Broadway at age twelve, and I went on

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Speaker 1: to perform several prominent off Broadway venues. He also graduated

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Speaker 1: Yale University with a degree in Theater studies and psychology

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Speaker 1: as Television appearances include Fraser, The West Wing, The Division,

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Speaker 1: Monk Without a Trace, House Numbers, and more recently, you

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Speaker 1: can catch them on The Rookie and Race and Frankie.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring him in, Devin Michaels, Devin, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: First off, how'd you get the role on Gilmore Girls?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I had gotten brought in years earlier.

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Speaker 3: I think it was still season one for just a

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Speaker 3: general interview with Jamie Rodowski and Mara Casey, and they

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Speaker 3: kept saying, you know, faster, and this was, you know,

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Speaker 3: before I really understood what that what that meant. And

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Speaker 3: I did it, you know, my little New York theater

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Speaker 3: experience growing up. I did it like ten percent faster,

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Speaker 3: twelve percent faster, and it kept they kept saying faster, faster,

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Speaker 3: and didn't hear from them for four and a half years.

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Speaker 3: So I figured, you know, okay, I did not go

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Speaker 3: fast enough. I had no idea what I was doing

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Speaker 3: for this particular show, and I didn't think i'd ever

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Speaker 3: hear from them again, and out of the blue, just

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Speaker 3: got brought in to read for Bill, and I thought

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Speaker 3: it was I wasn't sure at first, you know, that

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Speaker 3: it was going to be a recurring that that wasn't

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Speaker 3: clear in the beginning. It was just Asian brought me

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Speaker 3: I found out later that that not only was a

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Speaker 4: It was based loosely.

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Speaker 3: On one of the writers of the show that that

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Speaker 3: they that I reminded them of. And so it ended

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Speaker 3: up I just had to not completely suck in the audition.

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Speaker 1: So you actually attended Yale University and you graduated from

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Speaker 1: Northwestern is up there, but I don't, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think Juilliard, I'm sorry, Yale REP is just right up there.

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Speaker 1: Or theater program. Now you you studied, uh is Bobby

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Speaker 1: think he built that program. It's a three year program,

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Speaker 1: is it not?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I did not actually do Yale Drama School for undergrad gotcha.

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Speaker 3: I did major in theater studies and psychology with a

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Speaker 3: philosophy concentration that uh, there was some overlap.

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Speaker 4: Of course. I had had some some.

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Speaker 3: Some connection to the drama school because it was right there,

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Speaker 3: and did let some of the undergrad theater majors.

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Speaker 4: You know, talk to them once in a while. So

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Speaker 4: it wasn't you know, complete silos.

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Speaker 3: But but no, I'm not familiar with the full you know,

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Speaker 1: So you grew up in New York City. How did

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Speaker 1: you get to Yale? What kind of grades did you

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Speaker 3: I did have very good grades probably you know, not

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Speaker 3: unlike Bill, but I did. I was a kid actor.

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Speaker 3: I started acting when I was eleven years old. I

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Speaker 3: went to this theater camp stage door manor you might

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Speaker 3: And the directors of the camp who were fantastic, Jack

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good way to start a career. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I tell you your first audition, Bang, there you are.

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Speaker 3: I was twelve when I when I was in Rags,

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Speaker 3: inviting the entire cast to my bar Mitzvah that fall.

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Speaker 4: And quite a number of them came actually, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: What is it like being that age, living from New

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Speaker 4: It's it's so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's completely absurd, and and I've spent the

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Speaker 3: rest of my life slowly, ever so slowly coming to

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Speaker 3: an understanding of how that's not real life and people

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Speaker 3: don't leap to their feet sixteen hundred people standing ovation

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Speaker 3: every night just because you've you've made the perfect over

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's it's it's a ludicrous way to start,

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Speaker 3: but it was great. I got exposed to so many incredible,

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Speaker 3: getting to Yale, that was my education.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who was in that play?

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Speaker 3: So it starred Teresa Stratus who was an opera big

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Speaker 1: Other Broadway shows. Now, did you ever actually go into

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Speaker 1: you say it?

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Speaker 4: I was terrified of the real, the real Yale Daily

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Speaker 1: I was what was the real daily News? Like, what

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Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't so much about about what I had heard.

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Speaker 3: It was more about the prospect of having deadlines like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had actually been in high school. I am,

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Speaker 3: I was. I was an editor on my high school newspaper,

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Speaker 3: I was just I never went anywhere near trying to

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Speaker 1: Did you consult anybody with anybody who had experience in

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Speaker 4: I didn't. No.

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Speaker 1: Did you think Gilmore Girls accurately portrayed Yale?

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Speaker 4: It really did.

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Speaker 3: I was actually blown away by what they pulled off,

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Speaker 5: It for me.

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Speaker 1: Right, So do the Gilmour fans recognize you as Bill?

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Speaker 1: Do they stop you on the street?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this show is amazing that way, isn't it. It's

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Speaker 1: You know, twenty five point two billion minutes consumed by

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Speaker 3: And that's why, you know, that's why I've made seven

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Speaker 1: We haven't made seven cents.

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Speaker 4: Now wait, I have a seventeen cent check right over there.

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Speaker 1: I have no Actually, I have a couple myself. What

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Speaker 1: are you up to? Now? What are you doing? Now?

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Speaker 4: You know I've gotten more. I'm still acting.

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Speaker 3: I still you know, I've been on a couple shows

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Speaker 3: Brace for Impact, which was I mean still is Right

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Speaker 3: It's just some of the best writing I've seen. My

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Speaker 4: And I kind of used him for some of the lighting.

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Speaker 3: I got him to plug in and and and uh

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Speaker 3: just to just to keep almost that that's that same

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Speaker 3: runway lights. You know, it was just I got to

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, normally I don't get a chance to do.

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Speaker 1: And well, let me ask you, do you want to

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I actually I have a script in development right now

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Speaker 3: you know, Fingers Crossed right now. I think they have

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Speaker 3: about a third of the funding so far for it.

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Speaker 1: And who do you like? What directors do you really

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Speaker 1: always watch their films whenever they're on.

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Speaker 4: Paul Thomas Anderson, Charlie Kaufman.

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, yeah, those are the two biggies who I

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Speaker 4: I don't miss their work.

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Speaker 3: James Gray, James Gray he's a fascinating director.

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Speaker 4: I thought that one with Brad Pitt.

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Speaker 1: Which one was that ad Astra? You know what? I

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Speaker 4: It was something, wasn't it was extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: I really like Brad Pitt. I think he's remarkably talented. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: He's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny you should say, you know what you

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Speaker 3: how you were just describing it. You know, I brought

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Speaker 3: that film up to people and I've said, you know,

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Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the film is the story is

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Speaker 3: that there's there's very little dialogue. There's certain sequences that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just remarkable filmmaking, a courageous filmmaking. Well, in my estimation,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be a very fine director.

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Speaker 4: I brought that one up.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do a little thing called rapid fire.

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Speaker 1: No pressure to answer quickly or speak rapidly. We just

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Speaker 1: call it rapid fire. How do you like your coffee?

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Speaker 4: Very carefully?

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Speaker 1: Are your team Logan, Team Jess or Team Dean?

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Speaker 3: It's hard for me not to be Team Logan. That's

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Speaker 3: you know, That's what I spent the most time with.

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Speaker 1: And Yeah, he's kind of irresistible, isn't he? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a terrific guy. He's just such a great guy.

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Speaker 1: You know your root for him. Yeah. Who's your film favorite?

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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls couple? Luke and Laurelo or Emily and Richard? Luke,

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Speaker 1: laurla Yeah, I don't care what you say anything, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Would you rather work with Michelle or Kirk? Again,

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Speaker 1: don't care who you choose. Kirk, what would you order it?

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Speaker 4: Luke's diner, the perfect over easy eggs, so I can

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Speaker 4: judge it against.

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Speaker 1: My own good Who would you rather hang out with

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Speaker 3: I know that sounds strange coming from Yeah, but as

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you rather who would

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Speaker 1: you rather hang with if you were in Paris, Paris

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Speaker 1: or Lane? Would you like Lane in Paris or Paris

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Speaker 1: in Paris.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with Paris.

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Speaker 1: I think I already know the answer to this, Harvard

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you you you must have already been told

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Speaker 3: I tell it really quick. I tell this this horrendously

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Speaker 4: This remarkable priciple of community and learning. And but.

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Speaker 3: I tell this story about you know, the game, the

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Speaker 3: I just called the game. So when Princeton came to

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Speaker 3: you know, of course Yale sucks.

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Speaker 4: Yale sucks. Yeh sucks. That was the chance and.

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Speaker 3: The response the perfectly snobbish but but you know it's

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Speaker 3: it's it's good enough to justify it. Response from our

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Speaker 3: Princeton doesn't even you know, register Why why are you

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Speaker 1: So Preston doesn't have too bad of a football team.

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Speaker 4: No, they don't.

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Speaker 3: And you know, in real real life, you know, of course,

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Speaker 1: That is that is just such a slight. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: has been a pleasure, Devin. We have enjoyed your acting

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Speaker 1: on the show. We thought your head was going to

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Speaker 1: explode and several several points during your episodic journey through

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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls, and we're glad to hear that you're friends

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Speaker 1: with Liza and that it didn't take on the life

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Speaker 1: same vein. But thank you so much, good luck with

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Speaker 1: everything with the directing and the writing, and hope to

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Speaker 1: see you your name and the credits and nominated on

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Speaker 1: the big screen or on the Tony Awards someday real soon.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it all right, take care, Thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: You hey, everybody, and to forget.

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