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Speaker 1: Right with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us Votch Lombardi and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 6: Hello, guys, welcome back to another episode of the Break,
Speaker 6: presented by LG. And Derek is not here today. I
Speaker 6: heard watch Lombardi's name in the intro. That's the first
Speaker 6: time I hear it.
Speaker 7: Big Voice guy held us down today. I know it
Speaker 7: was on that last time, but last time I didn't hear.
Speaker 7: People came to me and say, yo, vat did you
Speaker 7: hear Big Voice guy say your name. It's like, no,
Speaker 7: You'll never let Big Voice guy say my name.
Speaker 2: Abby, Damn.
Speaker 4: Big Voice guy didn't say my name twice. I guess
Speaker 4: I'm part of the crew. Now.
Speaker 8: That's exciting goodness, I tell you what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough little whistle, there we go.
Speaker 7: Don't hate Brian bro I'm sorry they've me.
Speaker 4: Saying your name for thirty years.
Speaker 2: So them with some f bombs behind my name.
Speaker 4: How to say it.
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 4: They've been saying Brian.
Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to say nineteen ninety nine experis,
Speaker 4: but but thirty years for sure? Cowboys? Go ahead, please,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 9: Boy, Bucho Viejo right with that old We're just taking
Speaker 9: this show over, k Hody, let Ambar talk please?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 6: Well, before we do the one started, just wanted to
Speaker 6: give a shout out to Derek. He's not here today,
Speaker 6: but his baby boy is graduating.
Speaker 2: Congrats, Congrats, congrats.
Speaker 6: I can imagine he's being very emotional right now, but
Speaker 6: congratulations to him and his whole family. That's very exciting.
Speaker 6: And for today's show, I was telling much before we
Speaker 6: started that I have a set of questions that they're
Speaker 6: just kind of all over the place.
Speaker 8: Nothing new has really happened since.
Speaker 2: Last week Wheelhouse.
Speaker 6: It's nothing too crazy, honestly, But we're gonna start with
Speaker 6: the first one right now, looking at what the roster
Speaker 6: currently looks like. And I don't want to get too
Speaker 6: ahead of myself and talk about training camp, but why not,
Speaker 6: right sure, which position group currently has the most depth
Speaker 6: and which is the biggest concern heading into training camp.
Speaker 7: I think your offensive land room area again is pretty full.
Speaker 7: You know, we walked into you know, we walked into
Speaker 7: the off season thinking that a couple of people were
Speaker 7: gonna getting a lot of reps and that person was
Speaker 7: a starter listed as a starter, and the Cowboys made
Speaker 7: a Hugh Mugs move in a draft to kind of
Speaker 7: mitigate that. So now you have starter level backup guys,
Speaker 7: and they may not be guys that you wanted to
Speaker 7: be started for seventeen eighteen games, but starting for seven games,
Speaker 7: eight games, nine games, we know that.
Speaker 4: They can do that.
Speaker 7: Plus, there was just this group of guys that were
Speaker 7: just signed how came Identergy and you know Charles that
Speaker 7: came out of retirement. So you know, there's a gang
Speaker 7: of offensive line here. So if you're talking about real competition,
Speaker 7: a lot of those guys maybe not at the top
Speaker 7: of the old line room, but the bottom of the
Speaker 7: room is definitely gonna be, you know, fighting for their life.
Speaker 3: Watch real quick on the depth of that offensive line though, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: and you mentioned some guys coming like retirement guys and
Speaker 3: guys that are kind of being bouncing around the league.
Speaker 3: But do you feel like there's somebody out of that
Speaker 3: backup group that is going to emerge as one of
Speaker 3: the ten the weekly maybe at ninth or tenth guy
Speaker 3: that we're gonna talk about, Oh man, this is our
Speaker 3: swing tackle, this is our swing We kind of think
Speaker 3: like Hoffmen and guys like that.
Speaker 2: One of those guys that they've.
Speaker 3: Brought in, Jones, some of those guys gonna be a
Speaker 3: a vital piece.
Speaker 4: Is gonna have to be a tackle. Brian.
Speaker 7: I don't I don't see this world where somebody takes
Speaker 7: big Tyler's job or Booker's job, or you know, BB's
Speaker 7: done his job at center guy, and we know who
Speaker 7: Brock is. But if there's any question mark, if there's
Speaker 7: any question mark on his offensive line right now, it's
Speaker 7: your left tackle.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 7: I think Tyler Guiden will be fine. He just needs,
Speaker 7: you know, he just needs to get a little bigger
Speaker 7: and strong. And we saw him a little bigger and
Speaker 7: a little strong. We got a little more time for
Speaker 7: him to lift some weights and stronger, eat some peanut butter.
Speaker 7: But we got to see got to.
Speaker 2: See crustables need to come into play real fast. Right.
Speaker 7: But you know, if you just lay it all out,
Speaker 7: I don't see a world where Sadiq Charles is taking
Speaker 7: Tyler either either Tyler's job right, But what if Austin
Speaker 7: Richards has a rediction.
Speaker 3: That's what I want to talk about there, And I
Speaker 3: know Ambart's a great question, but I want to talk
Speaker 3: about I want to talk about Austome Richards stuff. I
Speaker 3: think it's about time for Awesome Richards to step up
Speaker 3: really and all of a sudden, we've noticed him at
Speaker 3: camps before, a g You and I we've all there,
Speaker 3: We've all stood out there and like, oh, look at
Speaker 3: Awesome Richards. That one on one rep. That's pretty good there.
Speaker 3: Oh you know what I'm saying, you'll get a chance.
Speaker 3: You get yet you're the show. Yeah, get ready to
Speaker 3: get there. But to me, that's what I'm saying, if
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Awesome Richard shows up as a
Speaker 3: guy that's really seriously competing at the left tackle spot,
Speaker 3: huge win, huge win for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: Now, how Bryant, how good does Austome Richards have to
Speaker 7: be to seat Tyler Guide? Because they're gonna give Guide
Speaker 7: every opportunity to the job. However, we saw Tyler Guid
Speaker 7: and got a little healthy last year and was still taking.
Speaker 2: Coaches fighting for their jobs.
Speaker 3: Coaches fighting for their jobs there, that's a hey, we
Speaker 3: have to we have to win, we have to cover,
Speaker 3: we have to do They were they weren't going to
Speaker 3: they they weren't going to play that kid. It's a
Speaker 3: shame did it all went down that way? But you
Speaker 3: had coaches fighting for their jobs that that wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 7: So whether it be guided playing poorly or if Awesome
Speaker 7: Richards just emerges, right, that's that's really how good does
Speaker 7: Auesome Riches have to be in order for us to
Speaker 7: go all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: That was the previous playing Awesome Richards is killing it
Speaker 7: right now like a like a Dak Prescott, Tony Romo.
Speaker 7: We can't deny a young kid anymore. How good does
Speaker 7: awesome have to be?
Speaker 6: I think it comes down personally For me, it comes
Speaker 6: down to consistency. Can you consistently be good? Because I
Speaker 6: think he's shown traits of being good and what he
Speaker 6: could be. But to me what I've seen, it just
Speaker 6: hasn't been consistent. Now that has to do with how
Speaker 6: much opportunities, how much playing time do they give him?
Speaker 6: And you already talked about that. What was happening last year.
Speaker 6: But I think if you can consistently show up, that's
Speaker 6: something that is very valuable, especially especially in the O line,
Speaker 6: that's something that you really need to have from somebody.
Speaker 6: So that's number one. Yeah, bullet point for me. How
Speaker 6: consistent are you?
Speaker 7: What's kind of happened with Bass and all those guys
Speaker 7: and Nathan Thomas and those guys.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen to see the.
Speaker 3: Nathan Thomas one? We don't really know about there. My
Speaker 3: hope is that Nathan Thomas is a guard. You know,
Speaker 3: we always talk about in college football the red shirt
Speaker 3: where you don't you know, you maintain your eligibility, but
Speaker 3: you don't play that year.
Speaker 2: What you do then is you go into the weight room,
Speaker 2: you do all these things.
Speaker 3: Hopefully's the diet, the meals, working with you know, the
Speaker 3: extra work that he's getting with the strength coaches and
Speaker 3: you know, the trainers and stuff like that. Hopefully he
Speaker 3: comes back as a different guy that way, because we
Speaker 3: once he got to camp, it's like it was just
Speaker 3: very very brief. Oh he's over on field too, he's
Speaker 3: overdoing this, he's overdoing you know, we didn't get to
Speaker 3: see that player that we maybe thought that came out
Speaker 3: of Louisiana when they drafted him.
Speaker 2: So my hope is that all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: He's competing with Hoffman, He's competing with bass. I think
Speaker 3: Hoffman's on this team because I think he's your backup center.
Speaker 3: So that's where now everybodybody else, I think is free game.
Speaker 3: If I could circle back though about with about with
Speaker 3: what's going on with Geyton, I think Giton is going
Speaker 3: to have more rope than than than maybe anybody else
Speaker 3: that competes with him at that spot. You know, I
Speaker 3: really really really do, because I think that they want
Speaker 3: him to be that guy. I think they I think
Speaker 3: they really really want to see and maybe that's something
Speaker 3: with Jerry and Steven and Will ask Brian Schottenheimer, Hey,
Speaker 3: find ways to get some of these guys involved that
Speaker 3: we drafted. And I think there's going to be times
Speaker 3: where all of a sudden we're looking at Geyton and
Speaker 3: we're saying, whoa good repod, Oh that was a bad rep.
Speaker 3: Oh that was another bad rep. I think he's going
Speaker 3: to have some rope here, but I would love to
Speaker 3: see some competition over there, and if the best guy wins,
Speaker 3: let that be the case.
Speaker 6: Also, that's the nature of when you're drafted in the
Speaker 6: first round. Sure rope is going to be a little
Speaker 6: longer than so it's going to be an interesting Smith
Speaker 6: petition there as it was kinda it's kind of.
Speaker 4: Trust more trust.
Speaker 7: We can feel this whole saving watch this, Uh, ladies
Speaker 7: and gentlemen, Brian bro bar Garcia, if I could just
Speaker 7: name another unit that's kind of packed up in there,
Speaker 7: and I think it's gonna bring a little bit of
Speaker 7: controversy come camp times.
Speaker 4: Those edges. You know you you you you draft a guy.
Speaker 4: Micha is a guy.
Speaker 7: Dante Fowler is a guy that was here and he
Speaker 7: wasn't really you know, he wasn't really utilized properly. Confusing
Speaker 7: he goes to Washington Football Wizards.
Speaker 2: The football Wizards, we've learned about.
Speaker 7: Double digit sack guy. I imagine he's gonna come back
Speaker 7: here and he'll be used as a double digit sack guy.
Speaker 7: Marshawn Kneeling, young guy, Peyton Turner. It's probably gon be
Speaker 7: like a rundown guy for you. What does this leave
Speaker 7: Sam Williams. That's why I'm asking you, guys, where does
Speaker 7: this leave Sam Williams? In this this room full of
Speaker 7: full of edge guys, full of past rush. And you
Speaker 7: can only rotate and and and bring so many of
Speaker 7: those guys.
Speaker 4: To the bus. What about what about edge? Do we do?
Speaker 2: We do?
Speaker 4: We do?
Speaker 7: We lose somebody that we didn't think woul that we
Speaker 7: didn't think that we would lose.
Speaker 3: Right, I wonder how much rope that Sam Williams has.
Speaker 3: See That's the thing about it is with Sam. And
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's people watching this right now and saying, hey,
Speaker 3: brought us you cut Sam Williams.
Speaker 2: He will be on someone's roster, you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: We saw it with Randy Gregory, Yeah we saw you know.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Guy's got a lot of talent. But
Speaker 3: Ambar says, how about some consistency, Give me some consistency,
Speaker 3: you know, go out there. There's times where he's flashed.
Speaker 3: That's what scarre scouts to death. So all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you see this flash player and you're like going,
Speaker 3: whoa wait a minute, this guy and then you know,
Speaker 3: kind of disappears. This is a big year for Sam
Speaker 3: Williams because there's guys now that had been drafted by
Speaker 3: previous regimes that are no longer here and you don't
Speaker 3: have that. And I've sat in a lot of those
Speaker 3: personnel meetings, you know in the summertime where the coach
Speaker 3: is like, oh, we've got to have this guy. Well, coach,
Speaker 3: he's not, well, go we got. We can't play without
Speaker 3: this guy we get, you know, and now, so I
Speaker 3: think Sam Williams is kind of in that category right
Speaker 3: now where he must step up. And people again are
Speaker 3: out there, I guarantee you, oh yeah, I just kind
Speaker 3: of brought us. He'll be on somebody else's team and
Speaker 3: he'll be doing something else, are they right, Ambar.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think that's the consensus and a lot of
Speaker 6: people that watched that. But I think Sam Williams, obviously
Speaker 6: his injury came at a really bad time for him, terrible,
Speaker 6: terrible time, and he.
Speaker 2: Was might not a way got valor if if you
Speaker 2: had a guy like that and.
Speaker 8: He was ascending.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, something that I think he
Speaker 6: embodies what the Cowboys look for in a guy that
Speaker 6: represents the star. And this goes beyond the field. What
Speaker 6: you don't see, it happens behind the scenes. He's a
Speaker 6: guy that has been showing up consistently last year, even
Speaker 6: though he wasn't on the field and he was recovering,
Speaker 6: he was always there. He was always and I say
Speaker 6: always quote unquote, but every time I saw a community event,
Speaker 6: who was there showing up Sam Williams showing Oh.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to take this another way?
Speaker 8: What way?
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna take this in the way
Speaker 3: that he likes to drive fast and cause problems time because.
Speaker 8: For something that happened.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I'm just saying I thought you
Speaker 2: were gonna say, well, we don't.
Speaker 4: Really get quick.
Speaker 8: He has learned from that experience.
Speaker 3: I think when I got a race team, I'd love
Speaker 3: saying first one.
Speaker 8: I think it's changed and he has improved.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you're doing here. I see what
Speaker 2: you're doing.
Speaker 8: That happens since that incident.
Speaker 2: Will effects playing a good way?
Speaker 6: Will effect Think that again, if you are committed into
Speaker 6: showing up to the recovery and the training and with
Speaker 6: those coaches and training and doing everything that you need
Speaker 6: to do to get back onto the field, it's.
Speaker 8: Going to show up on the field.
Speaker 6: Now, penalties and all that crazy stuff that has happened.
Speaker 6: As far as discipline, I think he's a motivated guy,
Speaker 6: and I'm rooting for him right now.
Speaker 7: This team has has shown you that they have a
Speaker 7: hard work and wire receiving a hard working right guard.
Speaker 7: And both those guys got bumped down by better dudes.
Speaker 7: Shout out of saying I'll we make it because look,
Speaker 7: we need you, we need you player. But uh boy,
Speaker 7: it's some It's some guys in that room. And if
Speaker 7: I had to think about what my NASCAR pass Rushie
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Speaker 7: Donovan'll be getting some os. Is probably gonna be in
Speaker 7: the middle of somewhere Overshawn when he's healthy, he's blitzing
Speaker 7: from somewhere. It's gonna be hard to take somebody off
Speaker 7: the field, but we'll see.
Speaker 8: We'll see special teams you need to get.
Speaker 2: That's you got hurt.
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Speaker 6: When we come back, we'll continue this conversation and how
Speaker 6: the roster is currently looking like here with the Cowboys.
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Speaker 6: What does the current roster suggest about the Cowboys launch
Speaker 6: and vision? Are they building for twenty twenty five playoff,
Speaker 6: push or laying the groundwork for twenty twenty six again
Speaker 6: looking at a lot of young talent that they've brought in.
Speaker 2: I know what he's going to say, but go ahead,
Speaker 2: I gotta leave it off. I go ahead, No, go ahead, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean so polite.
Speaker 7: Well, if you're drafting a guard, I'm gonna agree with
Speaker 7: what he says. If you're if you're drafting a guard
Speaker 7: and a you know, like a young pass rusher and
Speaker 7: a running back, that would make me think that they're
Speaker 7: looking for the future. But you you you rolling some dice,
Speaker 7: yeah on this pickings thing, you know, and they value
Speaker 7: third round picks like some teams value first round picks.
Speaker 7: So if you want to give that thing away just
Speaker 7: to have another dude up in here, I think that
Speaker 7: says a lot about what they're trying to do right now.
Speaker 7: I feel like as long as you have four, you're
Speaker 7: in the fight somehow, like like Dak is you know,
Speaker 7: he's here, he's healthy. You're in the playoff situation somehow.
Speaker 7: So from there, if you're trying to win this year,
Speaker 7: it's your job to to give him what he needs.
Speaker 7: And it's been a while since Dak has had everything
Speaker 7: that he needs. Or just think about how the Eagles
Speaker 7: run things, right, if Dak had one of those type
Speaker 7: you know, deals or whatever, We're just constantly filling their
Speaker 7: roster up. The Eagles show you how urgent they are
Speaker 7: to win championships, and they win championships, right, So this
Speaker 7: Saquon Barkley move and them may be a George Pickens
Speaker 7: move for like just this top tier player, and we're
Speaker 7: giving up all of our resource for it. They didn't
Speaker 7: do that, but we give up all just this third
Speaker 7: round pick that the Cowboys love.
Speaker 4: To go get George Pickens. I was shocked by this.
Speaker 7: And he's on the last deal of his the last
Speaker 7: year of his deal. Yeah, the Cowboys shooting the dice
Speaker 7: on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right, my friend.
Speaker 3: That's a situation where too, you know, even look at
Speaker 3: what they're doing on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: With the addition of the linebackers, you know, the defensive line,
Speaker 3: the guys that they've added there. You know, they've added
Speaker 3: veteran guys, a couple of guys on some one year deals. Heck,
Speaker 3: we just talked about Fouler, you know. I mean they've
Speaker 3: added some guys to try and make a run right
Speaker 3: now and be competitive. I don't look at it as
Speaker 3: band aid type moves, but I kind of look at
Speaker 3: it as like, you know, sometimes you go bottom fishing,
Speaker 3: and it's like you get what you get. You get
Speaker 3: some trash fish on your hook.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think the Cowboys they had a plan for what
Speaker 3: they wanted to do to trading wise. I think the
Speaker 3: fact that they stayed aggressive even after the draft, that's big.
Speaker 3: Going after George Pickens. You know, they said, you know,
Speaker 3: they saw a situation George Pickens probably not fitting in
Speaker 3: with what the.
Speaker 2: Steelers are doing.
Speaker 3: The fact that they even talked about Bateman from the
Speaker 3: Ravens that's a second round pick, but he wanted more
Speaker 3: money and stuff like that. So they they're trying right now.
Speaker 3: The right guard helps the quarterback. The young running back
Speaker 3: helps the quarterback because he might be the future guy.
Speaker 3: When this is all said, and done. But look at
Speaker 3: the things that they were able to do with the
Speaker 3: wide receiver. That might be a one year rental for
Speaker 3: a third round pick. That's an aggressive move right there. Defensively,
Speaker 3: Like I said, they've added a lot of some veteran
Speaker 3: guys over to that side of the ball. This is
Speaker 3: not really a long term thing involved. This is more
Speaker 3: about playing for now.
Speaker 4: Ah, brother, let me ask you something.
Speaker 7: You remember a couple of days ago, Shottenheimer did his
Speaker 7: you know, press conference or whatnot, and they was like, hey, Shotty,
Speaker 7: what win to the Pickings thing?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 7: And Shotty was like, oh, yeah, we did a ton
Speaker 7: of research and we felt good and we all talked
Speaker 7: about it, and we all got together as a great
Speaker 7: big family, talked about George Pickens pulled the trigger. Now
Speaker 7: he's here. Comparing contrast that to when Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 7: on the radio one O five three and asked him
Speaker 7: about Trey Lance and Mike and Mike was like, I
Speaker 7: didn't even know that they were trade for Trey Lance.
Speaker 7: Trey Lance just happened to pop up on my doorstep.
Speaker 7: Nobody asked me about the quarterback situation or what I
Speaker 7: thought about backup at all.
Speaker 4: Just Trey Lance is here.
Speaker 7: Now what do you think about the differences in those
Speaker 7: two situations? Who like does one have more power than
Speaker 7: the other or was Mike McCarthy just not interested in
Speaker 7: team in team building when Schottenheimer is Dan Quinn when
Speaker 7: he needed help, happening to get all the help that
Speaker 7: he wants. So now we're here Schottenheimer Draft day, Bryant
Speaker 7: tapping on the board, fighting for his guys. Right, he
Speaker 7: has a saying what's going on? He gets these guys.
Speaker 7: Mike McCarty, Oh, yeah, it doesn't matter who you pick,
Speaker 7: got X, Y, Z and bar.
Speaker 4: What do you say about what I just said?
Speaker 6: Well, again, looking back at that first press conference that
Speaker 6: where the Cowboys were introducing Schottenheimer as a new head
Speaker 6: coach and something that they talked about and that Jerry
Speaker 6: Jones mentioned that he gained a lot of respect from
Speaker 6: Brian because times where he knew when to keep his
Speaker 6: mouth ghost. Yeah, but that didn't mean he wasn't aware
Speaker 6: of what was happening, and when the time came, he
Speaker 6: let it all out and talked and really voiced his opinion.
Speaker 6: I think that just it instilled a lot of respect
Speaker 6: and it gained a lot of power. He was able
Speaker 6: to gain power, and again, when you start talking to
Speaker 6: him and listening to him, you started just buying what
Speaker 6: he's selling and falling for what he's doing. And this
Speaker 6: is just a difference of personality. It's not to say
Speaker 6: that Mike McCarthy wasn't respected here and that the Cowboys were,
Speaker 6: you know, paying attention to what he was trying to do,
Speaker 6: because they did a lot to kind of let him
Speaker 6: do his thing. Obviously, there were times where you had
Speaker 6: question mark, like the running back position, there were a
Speaker 6: lot of question marks what was happening there in some
Speaker 6: of the decisions that were taken with that position specifically.
Speaker 6: But Shottenheimer, even though he doesn't have the experience, what
Speaker 6: he's doing, is very magical in the way that he's
Speaker 6: been able to gain so much power here and to
Speaker 6: be listening is especially during the draft, making those decisions.
Speaker 6: So it just goes back to saying, it seems like
Speaker 6: everybody gets along and everybody is on the same page
Speaker 6: and in tune, and there's no those random oh wait,
Speaker 6: what y'all did that? Yeah, I didn't know about it
Speaker 6: first time hearing about it. So everyone seems to be
Speaker 6: in sync with this and he goes back to the
Speaker 6: new culture that he's trying to put here with the team.
Speaker 7: I just think it's interesting because you know, fans will
Speaker 7: get on social media and fuss and look, I'm fans also,
Speaker 7: I'll go out there and fuss like one of the
Speaker 7: Jones is doing anything. I wonder if Mike was just
Speaker 7: one of these guys like, hey, just give me the
Speaker 7: guys and I'll just coach w whatever that you that
Speaker 7: you get for me, right. But I wonder if the
Speaker 7: Joneses this whole time, they just had this checkbook waiting,
Speaker 7: waiting for Mia McCarthy and he just didn't use it. Schottenheimer,
Speaker 7: twenty days on the job, goes, hey, man, some gotta
Speaker 7: happen here, here, here, here, here, And now we see
Speaker 7: stuff happening. And this has been one of the more
Speaker 7: active offseas that we've had. I just wonder if that's
Speaker 7: because of the head coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not afraid to speak and walk around and
Speaker 6: say hey, I want this or I want that and
Speaker 6: voice it. And I think when you walk around with confidence,
Speaker 6: it just it changes the environment that you're starting to
Speaker 6: create around you. So I'm excited to continue to see
Speaker 6: what all they're building here. Next question for you guys,
Speaker 6: which undrafted and we haven't really talked about undrafted free
Speaker 6: agents on this show, but which undrafted free agent or
Speaker 6: late round pick has the best chance in again ahead
Speaker 6: of ourselves because we haven't seen real practice, but who
Speaker 6: has the best chance of making the fifty three man roster?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Do I need to go into my film? MafA? Well, no,
Speaker 3: it's I'm saying though, but late draft pick?
Speaker 2: Right? Is that? Was that the question?
Speaker 8: Late draft pick?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I know you're going to say the Auburn tight end.
Speaker 3: I know what you're gonna do there. I'll let you
Speaker 3: explain that one. Uh, the I could say I'm interested
Speaker 3: in Vatch and I were doing our show last night
Speaker 3: and we were talking about this. I want to be really,
Speaker 3: really really wrong about film MafA. I want to be
Speaker 3: wrong about him. And I'm saying this right now in
Speaker 3: a way of I'm intrigued by what the cowboys are
Speaker 3: going to see in this guy, because me personally, I
Speaker 3: know when we were doing work on the Draft show,
Speaker 3: there was guys like Alan from you know, Syracuse, Crosskey,
Speaker 3: Merrit from the from New Mexico, Arizona, U the colleges
Speaker 3: and you know, and then Crossky Merrit gets selected right
Speaker 3: after MafA does, and so now you're like going, WHOA,
Speaker 3: And I know Vatch was on cross Ky Merrick. So
Speaker 3: now you've got somebody in the division. And if he
Speaker 3: turns out to be and an early indication reports are
Speaker 3: like people are like, whoa, they got this late round guy.
Speaker 3: So I'm interested ambar and and and and I'm interested
Speaker 3: if MafA is going to come in and look better
Speaker 3: than Williams and Sanders and can he pair with Blue?
Speaker 3: That's that because they they have done something there that
Speaker 3: I personally wouldn't have done. But that's them, and that's good.
Speaker 3: That's that's their jobs to do that if they pull
Speaker 3: this off where all of a sudden, film MafA comes
Speaker 3: in here and is a physical running back that's you know,
Speaker 3: getting tough yards. And then and you know, maybe they're
Speaker 3: looking at more of the inside game stuff too. When
Speaker 3: you draft a guy like Booker, maybe they've come in
Speaker 3: and evaluated. Maybe we're not gonna see as much of
Speaker 3: pinning polls and things that we talked about. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: going to be about combo blocks and deuce blocks and
Speaker 3: second level blocks and those kinds of things. You know,
Speaker 3: maybe that element of getting the ball on the edge
Speaker 3: is going to turn into Blue being on the edge.
Speaker 3: But if Phil Moffa comes in and shows in training
Speaker 3: camp he's that tough kind of a runner that we
Speaker 3: saw a little bit at Clemson. Man, tip of the
Speaker 3: cap to them, because I personally would have gone a
Speaker 3: couple of different directions there other than him.
Speaker 2: I'd love to be proven wrong about that.
Speaker 4: One as far as mine.
Speaker 7: You know Brown, we already talked about this back and
Speaker 7: forth about this, you know fair Weather from Auburn.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, tight end. Sometimes it's not about how good.
Speaker 2: Your quarterback player was all over the place. They're terrible, terrible.
Speaker 7: Sometimes it's not about how how good you are versus
Speaker 7: the whole team. Right, he may be the seventy something
Speaker 7: best player on his team, it doesn't matter. It's about
Speaker 7: his room and his role in that room. That's why
Speaker 7: I think it's going to give him an easier route
Speaker 7: to the team or whatnot. Right, Because if you're a
Speaker 7: let's say you're a pass rush, you gotta go against
Speaker 7: the three other pass rushers. There's Michael Parsons is there,
Speaker 7: Donovan is there, Dante. It's tough for a young pass
Speaker 7: rusher to come in and take pass rush reps. Not
Speaker 7: only is tight end easier small room, but the tight
Speaker 7: end room is broken down into rolls, right like Jake's
Speaker 7: the one guy that is what it is. Then you
Speaker 7: got these blocking tight ends. So Luke and Brevin are
Speaker 7: kind of fighting each other. But then there's like this
Speaker 7: jump ball, red zone guy, catch, radious guy, vertical guy,
Speaker 7: seam guy, John Stevens, who.
Speaker 9: We thought John Stevens was John Stevens, and we were
Speaker 9: ready to give that to John Stevens absolutely. You know,
Speaker 9: previously it'll be like hendershot of something. He'll be the
Speaker 9: downfield kind of guy.
Speaker 7: But John Stevens torn a cl and then he tore
Speaker 7: it again, or tore the same or just tore two
Speaker 7: different al I don't know. He's coming off a cl
Speaker 7: right now. So if you're fair Weather, you don't have
Speaker 7: to be better than Ferguson or Luke or Dak Prescott.
Speaker 7: You just got to beat John Stevens, yeah, coming off
Speaker 7: ACL new coaches, whatever, whatever. And they're the same kind
Speaker 7: of guy, that same vertical downhill guy. So if you're Fairweather,
Speaker 7: just make a couple more plays, just don't drop pass
Speaker 7: us If John Stevens isn't blocking all that well? Man,
Speaker 7: Let me come in there and block some special teams
Speaker 7: is very important for that section of the roster. Go
Speaker 7: out there and tackle somebody, and I think that's the
Speaker 7: air quote easiest route. There's no easy route to this thing.
Speaker 7: Everybody's gonna have to fight for their life out there.
Speaker 7: But I think typically tight ends are kind of raised
Speaker 7: by four like Dak makes these guys you know, as
Speaker 7: good or as bad as who they are. So just
Speaker 7: imagine Fairweather go out there making plays, jumping over people.
Speaker 7: Dak's high point and he's jumping up and getting over people.
Speaker 7: Farewell's gonna have a great argument to.
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Speaker 6: ahead and take our final break, and when we come back,
Speaker 6: will continue discussing some of these position battles that we
Speaker 6: are expected to watch during training camp.
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Speaker 6: Next question for y'all, which position battle should fans watch
Speaker 6: most closely?
Speaker 8: In camp?
Speaker 6: Corner, running back or swim tackle which would already?
Speaker 7: So let me ask you this, how are you wording battle?
Speaker 7: For example, this is what I've been talking about, right,
Speaker 7: If Tyler Booker is in a battle, do you mean
Speaker 7: the Booker of the battle that he's having with Hoffman
Speaker 7: or the battle that he's having with Masi or something
Speaker 7: like like? Which like which battle we're talking about? You
Speaker 7: won't think about it.
Speaker 6: You're going to the script to me, Okay, I No,
Speaker 6: I'm thinking in general, because I'm thinking, Okay, is anybody
Speaker 6: actually set one hundred percent? Even when you look at
Speaker 6: Corner for example, sure.
Speaker 8: No, no, even though he's a starter, right.
Speaker 6: So it's still like I think all of these positions
Speaker 6: have question marks around them.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, if that's the case, Corner is definitely the room
Speaker 7: that's that's fighting the most. We have a room full
Speaker 7: of outside guys.
Speaker 2: We don't really have a whole person Butler.
Speaker 7: You know, so so you know, and and everybody's knee
Speaker 7: is hurting. So not only are they, you know, fighting
Speaker 7: to be better, but they fighting and get healthy first.
Speaker 7: So that's that's gonna be kind of an issue there.
Speaker 7: Besides that, I mean, I don't really have a good
Speaker 7: idea of who your first three corners are, Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: they're fighting for their spot, but who are those guys
Speaker 7: going to be? Because I don't even know when the
Speaker 7: like even even Revel, right, Revel may be cleared and
Speaker 7: good to go, but is he going to be the
Speaker 7: Revel that we watched on film last year?
Speaker 4: Bryan?
Speaker 2: So it trust.
Speaker 4: Durron, Bland and Elam are are probably.
Speaker 8: The contract year for him, right for sure?
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 7: So Bland, Elam and Kayln Carson. If Bland is your
Speaker 7: best guy, do you just throw him in the nickel?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 7: If Bland is cornerback one, does he travel and then
Speaker 7: you kind of move those other guys around. I think
Speaker 7: it's a weird little a weird little battle.
Speaker 4: With a corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Butler's too, I think I think you have to include
Speaker 3: Josh Butler in that group too.
Speaker 4: Is he healthy? What is he going to back?
Speaker 2: I think he's he's healthy.
Speaker 3: I think that to me, Like I say, he'll be
Speaker 3: a part of the part of the I need to
Speaker 3: I do need to check on him. I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It's safety And I say that in a in a way.
Speaker 3: Of because the previous regime man really really liked Wilson
Speaker 3: and Hooker, and so now where does this regime stand
Speaker 3: when it comes to Thomas and Butler?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And a guy that I almost mentioned is a rookie
Speaker 3: ambar that maybe a guy that Elijah Clark, you know,
Speaker 3: the safety from Syracuse. He was a guy that when
Speaker 3: if you watch him play and if you if you
Speaker 3: just go on, how much signing bonus the Cowboys gave
Speaker 3: to these undrafted rookies, he was a top dog. And
Speaker 3: last you saw last year where span Ford was, he
Speaker 3: was the top dog. So they think enough of this kid.
Speaker 3: My gut feeling is this guy probably sat Clark sat
Speaker 3: pretty high on their draft board.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So if that's the case, sat high on draft board,
Speaker 3: he got a sizable bonus. Is he competing with Is
Speaker 3: he trying to knock Thomas out? Who got money? Is
Speaker 3: he trying to knock Bell out? Who got money? Are
Speaker 3: they trying to knock Wilson out? Who would be cap
Speaker 3: savings if you knock him out?
Speaker 4: You know that's important.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I always you know, Mickey would always say
Speaker 3: follow the money.
Speaker 2: In this case, you might follow the money.
Speaker 3: But but I think there's going to be some legitimate
Speaker 3: competition at the safety spot depending on how guys. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's I don't think you could put it
Speaker 3: in pen that Wilson and Hooker are going to be
Speaker 3: the starters when you open on Thursday night in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: Brian Bros.
Speaker 7: Do you think does Brian brod Us think that if
Speaker 7: Mark He's Bell outplays Donovan Wilson?
Speaker 2: I would hope he, I would hope.
Speaker 4: What does Brian Bros Think?
Speaker 2: Because no, No, hope is hope is terrible plan. Hope
Speaker 2: is a terrible plan. A lot of hope.
Speaker 7: If Mark he's Bell, goes out there, tears it up,
Speaker 7: whoops it. Yes, he's covering better. Sure does he get
Speaker 7: the toms?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely, I'll say it because I I do believe.
Speaker 3: I do believe that Thomas Bell, Clark Clark being new.
Speaker 2: I think it's there's a fresh approach now.
Speaker 3: I talked to Mike Zimmer for a long time before,
Speaker 3: you know, before training camp and when we're out there
Speaker 3: in ox Start, and he was talking about he was saying.
Speaker 2: You know, I really like Wilson, I really like you
Speaker 2: know Hooker.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, And I said, well, I need to
Speaker 3: keep my down mouth shut because I was always trying
Speaker 3: to replace Hooker, you know. And then so but I
Speaker 3: just kind of feel like Bell and Thomas have to
Speaker 3: feel like they caught a break here with a new
Speaker 3: new coaching staff, especially new coaches in the secondary.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of times last year or a
Speaker 7: year before where we'll be having trouble from a coverage
Speaker 7: you know, and you and you play safety like coverage
Speaker 7: is what you do. And Cowboy Nation, Cowboy fans were
Speaker 7: just sitting around tapping a watch, going, man, when are
Speaker 7: we gonna try something different?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, it hadn't always been that way. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I took an ass kicking from fans about Hooker and
Speaker 3: then he got extended and.
Speaker 2: Like, oh see what you think, bro? You know, and
Speaker 2: then then then we get the well he's not playing
Speaker 2: very well right now, you know, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: tell him you was right brow, No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: That's not the idea is. The idea is though, that
Speaker 3: you try and get ahead of that, you try and
Speaker 3: get ahead of paying a guy, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden and it doesn't work out. You could say
Speaker 3: that right now about Wilson. It just hasn't worked out.
Speaker 3: Like you know, the Cowboys started with guy's super tough,
Speaker 3: he's super physical.
Speaker 2: But you know, you have to play with instincts.
Speaker 3: You have to be able to tackle well, and you
Speaker 3: can't make mistakes and if they put you in coverage,
Speaker 3: you can't get it exposed.
Speaker 2: These are things you.
Speaker 3: Have to kind of think about when you're when you're
Speaker 3: talking about safety play well, I hope they get a
Speaker 3: fair shake.
Speaker 8: Then, bro, what are people saying in the chat?
Speaker 7: Uh that that they're having that, they're having buffering issues.
Speaker 4: So y'all watch them.
Speaker 2: Get better equipment. Yeah, get better equipment.
Speaker 4: You have to watch the podcast.
Speaker 6: Oh we gotta pay for y'all salary here, ay me first,
Speaker 6: and then.
Speaker 4: Go and get you get you down white, go ahead, please?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 6: You mentioned MICHAEH. Parsons earlier and about moving him around
Speaker 6: a lot. Is it smarter to keep him full time
Speaker 6: rushing or moving him around like a chess piece.
Speaker 7: Well, we've been fighting this fight since we found out
Speaker 7: that Micah can can pass rush, you know. And uh,
Speaker 7: some coaches will tell you the coaching philosophical reasons why
Speaker 7: you shouldn't move him around. And then we'll play Cleveland
Speaker 7: and Miles Garrett is just stepping walking over your center
Speaker 7: and you go, damn boy, showed be nice and we
Speaker 7: can do some of that now.
Speaker 16: T J.
Speaker 7: Watt doesn't move. He plays on his side. But when
Speaker 7: you see Miles Garrett just floating around, you just get jealous. Right, So,
Speaker 7: I think when Michael got most of his sacks, it
Speaker 7: was him hovering over a gap and b gap. That's
Speaker 7: when he really got got busy. Something we called on YouTube,
Speaker 7: find the scrubs.
Speaker 4: What we call it right.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 7: And something that will bother me is we'll go play
Speaker 7: the Giants and we'll just line michaeh over Andrew Thomas
Speaker 7: all pro Andrew Thomas the whole game. It'll make me sick.
Speaker 7: And look, Michael got sacks on Andrew Thomas. But boy,
Speaker 7: imagine how many sacks you can get on John Michael
Speaker 7: Smith if you just line them up over there. So
Speaker 7: I do think you have to think about the the
Speaker 7: the you know, base of your defense being you know solid,
Speaker 7: and we're not gonna move him so much that he's
Speaker 7: getting washed out of these plays. But it just gives
Speaker 7: the other side one more, one more thing to think
Speaker 7: about if Micah's all over the places as opposed to
Speaker 7: I don't have to look.
Speaker 4: I just know he's right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why don't you find a way? And this is choice.
Speaker 3: I used to say this, you know what, what's coaching?
Speaker 3: What's what's coaching?
Speaker 2: Wait? Paid these guys, we wait what's coaching for? See?
Speaker 3: To me, this is where to me moving Mike around
Speaker 3: and even pairing finding him not I agree with wauch about, hey,
Speaker 3: find the weakest link on that offensive line and just
Speaker 3: let it try, but try and do your best to
Speaker 3: set it up where it's one on one where that
Speaker 3: weak link can't get help. You know, you move him around,
Speaker 3: but also pair him with other guys that can pass rush.
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with putting him with Osa and you
Speaker 3: get a pick and a twist. There's nothing wrong with
Speaker 3: putting him on the same side with Fouler and making
Speaker 3: them have to deal with two guys. You know, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Wow, they've got two legitimate rushers on
Speaker 3: the outside here. There's nothing wrong with standing him up
Speaker 3: and letting him run right through the B gap and
Speaker 3: making a back and if they know a team is
Speaker 3: going to be very reliant on a running back with
Speaker 3: Blitz pickup help and putting Mike on that back and
Speaker 3: getting that one on one matchup.
Speaker 2: It might happen one or twice, one.
Speaker 3: Or two times a game, but maybe it's one or
Speaker 3: two sacks you get in a game, and maybe that's
Speaker 3: the difference in the game. So yes, move him around,
Speaker 3: find favorable matchups, but also pair him with other linemen
Speaker 3: that can that can cause problems and make teams have
Speaker 3: to deal with blocking two guys to the same side.
Speaker 7: Well, Brian Brosley Man ask you is is this the
Speaker 7: first time Mica has had like a real running mate
Speaker 7: from from a past rush standpoint, right, like like tank
Speaker 7: Tank Lawrence.
Speaker 2: Hank started going down.
Speaker 7: He's always been a great rundown, but he's never been
Speaker 7: It's been a long time, a long time since double
Speaker 7: digit sack is double digit sack. Michael hasn't had a
Speaker 7: double digit sack running mate. Well, we got Dante foul
Speaker 7: who's a double digit sack guy. Now, you know, Donovan
Speaker 7: is gonna be a help. He's a ricket. We can't
Speaker 7: expect too much out of him, and you know, also
Speaker 7: we'll just hope that we can get some good pass
Speaker 7: rush from him from b gap, Is is this the
Speaker 7: best crew of past rush running mates maybe not run
Speaker 7: stopping but pass rush running mates that Michaels has since
Speaker 7: he been here?
Speaker 2: Kind of feel like.
Speaker 8: I know, thanks, don't hurt yourself, buddy.
Speaker 2: Oh he does that all the time. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't even say because when you say, oh, that's
Speaker 3: a great question, you're installing to try and figure things something.
Speaker 8: To influence his opinion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just want to know what thought. I just
Speaker 7: thought it was a genuinely good question, and both of
Speaker 7: you guys.
Speaker 2: What about that?
Speaker 3: What about some of his sixteen sack seasons? Though when
Speaker 3: it was Fowler and Parts, Yeah it was.
Speaker 7: It was more so a bunch of guys like Michael
Speaker 7: would get his sex.
Speaker 4: But but they didn't. You didn't, You didn't.
Speaker 7: You didn't think of Darence Armstrong as a sack guy.
Speaker 7: You didn't think as a sack guy. You got sack guys.
Speaker 7: Now that's asking is this his best group of set guy?
Speaker 7: I don't know what the run defense is gonna look like.
Speaker 7: I hope eber Flu's got some magic. Does he can
Speaker 7: just spring along everybody and just run game?
Speaker 9: Just I think I think that dealt with I think
Speaker 9: that's gonna come down Overshown was going to be a
Speaker 9: pass rusher for see that.
Speaker 7: Apparently Shamar James is gonna be a pass ords. Is
Speaker 7: this the best group of past?
Speaker 3: See that's the thing with Tjamar James that we saw
Speaker 3: at at Florida. We were worried about. And we're not
Speaker 3: getting to see every single practice. You know, once a
Speaker 3: week you get to see a practice. Maybe the other
Speaker 3: practices he's messing up things. But it sounds like to
Speaker 3: me he didn't play with a lot of instincts at Florida.
Speaker 3: So what you say, put them as a will linebacker,
Speaker 3: let them rush, So maybe that's something.
Speaker 2: That you need to do.
Speaker 3: I think overall, if you look at potentially with Osa
Speaker 3: being a pass rusher Parsons, as we've mentioned, I think
Speaker 3: that even you know, I think that it's kind of
Speaker 3: we'll see, you know, with the Fowlers obviously going to
Speaker 3: give you give you some stuff there. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's the best group he's played with.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 6: What the difference is, I think is that going into it,
Speaker 6: you you in your mind kind of know what to
Speaker 6: expect based on their previous experience, as opposed to the
Speaker 6: previous group. Not from last year, but like a couple
Speaker 6: of years before you didn't know what to expect, but
Speaker 6: then they were shining and make it happen. That's the difference.
Speaker 6: It's like one is you have guys that has shown
Speaker 6: it before versus the others that it just kind of
Speaker 6: happened without you necessarily respecting me.
Speaker 4: Doris Armstrong getting nine sex wasn't on anybody.
Speaker 2: Okay, see that's it. As Araco be that guy. I
Speaker 2: mean that that to me.
Speaker 3: If you want to ask me that question, and I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about Okay Faller as Roku, I'm thinking about these guys.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking but we don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen him at the collegiate level have
Speaker 3: huge success.
Speaker 7: So now is Donovan as the third pass rusher and
Speaker 7: if you're let's say you're doubling Michael or Michael has
Speaker 7: some actual attention that now Donovan is Aroku gets the
Speaker 7: better looks, the better one on one looks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Eiraku could be a factor as a pass
Speaker 3: rusher with Fowler, maybe we'll see with Sam Williams how
Speaker 3: that all plays out and stuff like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: if you if if Israku then shows up, like you know,
Speaker 3: we think that he all might, then I would say, yeah,
Speaker 3: but we'll have to see Ezerako be that guy.
Speaker 7: One last point too, is I know Ambarre ready to
Speaker 7: get up out of here. One last point is I'm
Speaker 7: a person if this offense scores the way that it
Speaker 7: that it should and the defense against so many more
Speaker 7: opportunities to.
Speaker 3: That's that's yeah, that's the key. You You've got to
Speaker 3: find a way that you can't be in. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to say that.
Speaker 4: What else is there to say?
Speaker 2: That you think you think you know long reach bottom.
Speaker 8: You're gonna have to ice dot arm.
Speaker 4: Appreciate that.
Speaker 6: Please well, thank you guys so much, Thank you watch.
Speaker 6: Thank you Brian for always having a lovely energy. Shout
Speaker 6: outs to Derek and his family again, thank you guys
Speaker 6: so much for watching for Botch Lombardy.
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