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Speaker 1: At least. He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly, he is Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson and Matt gets a Wednesday here in Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: uh well, we're a few days away from the conference

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Speaker 1: championship games. Also means we're a few more days closer

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Speaker 1: to basically the end of the season, uhbout the league.

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Speaker 1: Two and a half weeks out from the from the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. So things are starting to take shape here.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the Steelers make some uh some future signings,

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Speaker 1: including bringing back Quincy Rochet on Tuesday. I think that's noteworthy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like that move. Um, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: bringing back a guy, I know, when he got released

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Speaker 1: to slide him over onto their practice squad. The Giants

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Speaker 1: signed him to their active roster and he played played

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Speaker 1: some football for them. You know, he's had an okay

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Speaker 1: teams value from what I understand. I haven't studied them. Them.

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Speaker 1: This just happened, But I liked them when he left.

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Speaker 1: I like the draft pick when it happened. He fixed

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Speaker 1: the system, their familiarity. There's not much invested. It's not like,

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Speaker 1: boy if he comes to camp and doesn't look good,

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Speaker 1: so what you know, So I don't know people all

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Speaker 1: understand what the futures contract is. They absolutely don't. They've

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Speaker 1: signed a couple of guys, you know, standalone guys here

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Speaker 1: over the last week or so, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: tweet something out about it, and well, what kind of

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Speaker 1: signing is that That's not going to get him to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl. That's not what these are. This isn't

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Speaker 1: free agency, folks. These are guys that people have cut loose,

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Speaker 1: that that are out there on the front, that are

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Speaker 1: bring him the camp. They're just they're they're part of

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Speaker 1: your nine even man roster basically, and maybe there's some

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Speaker 1: that are more priority than other that you know, we

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Speaker 1: like this guy. I think he's got a good chance

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Speaker 1: the final roster or practice squad. So we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: prioritize him the second we can and but you're not

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Speaker 1: married to these guys at all. Oh, it is is

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Speaker 1: basically a camp invite is a lot closer than boy, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna work in the in the off

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Speaker 1: season program with maybe it's maybe a chance to get

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Speaker 1: to the training you know, training camp. Based on what

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Speaker 1: happens in the draft and real free agency, real free

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Speaker 1: agent hasn't happened yet. Anthony Miller is different though, right

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Speaker 1: he he signed a regular contract, he has a real

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Speaker 1: con contract. He's gonna be in the mix. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he promised the spot on the team, but it's almost

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Speaker 1: like he's a he's a real free agent, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know he's a These other guys aren't absolutely so uh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of free agency, Matt, I'd like to talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about the Steelers upcoming free agents that that

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Speaker 1: would would have included Anthony Miller had he not signed

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Speaker 1: um last week. So looking at their list here, and

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Speaker 1: free agency starts March fifteenth this year, that's the the

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Speaker 1: middle of March, So that's when everybody has to be

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Speaker 1: salary cap compliant as well. You have to be under

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Speaker 1: that million dollar salary cap. I know there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of different numbers floating around out there right now.

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Speaker 1: Don't trust any of them. Trust the numbers. Once March

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Speaker 1: March fifteenth rolls around, that's when teams have to be

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Speaker 1: sign free agents. And folks Dale and I were talking

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Speaker 1: different sites you go to, it look looks bleak. All

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Speaker 1: these teams are under the cap, way over the cap.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Your Steelers are gonna be fine. They're

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Speaker 1: all this year. It doesn't mean they can go get

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Speaker 1: whether I get Sutton back or not, I absolutely want

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Speaker 1: opening day, and ideally not to mention when he's one

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Speaker 1: Is he better than any of those five? Maybe? Maybe not.

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Speaker 1: He's different than Sims, obviously, he's different than Miller and Austin.

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Speaker 1: I want three big contracts in my safety room. It's

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Speaker 1: me is like you've got all your high paid guys,

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Speaker 1: you know, those those ten to fifteen players who are

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Speaker 1: there's not going to be sweeping change. We're in that

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they should hold out for hard

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Speaker 1: what's not going to happen. People thinking that hard Grave

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Speaker 1: watch him now, and you say, okay, we like you,

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Speaker 1: you like it here. How about we do something long term.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's do three years at twenty four million, and

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Speaker 1: you know, twelve of that as signing bonus, and therefore

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Speaker 1: point aren't going to kill you, right, And what's nice

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Speaker 1: and that's not Hayward. No, it's not. Um, this is

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Speaker 1: what I mean. And Hayward can do both. Yeah, gives

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Speaker 1: read Mason, Rudolph, Trent Scott, Benny Snell, Robert Spelaine. I

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Speaker 1: and you want to sign Rudolph, which I'd be absolutely

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna tell him he's the starter. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be the case. But they

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Speaker 1: at least an opportunity two compete, and maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: as a number two guy drafting high might say. The

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Speaker 1: Texans might say we're bringing you and c J. Strout.

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Speaker 1: He might just want a different oh yeah, different scenery.

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Speaker 1: He's been here for six years and and interesting is

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Speaker 1: going to be the backup anyway. So you know, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit Mitch feelings on read too. I

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Speaker 1: think you would like to upgrade there. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: but i'd like that. Scott we've talked a little bit

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Speaker 1: about in terms of the you know that swing offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: He's okay there. Um I'm talking to him though until

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Speaker 1: three weeks into free agency, right yeah, yeah, see how

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Speaker 1: things go there. Benny Snell uh core special teamer. But

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pay him to be that core

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Speaker 1: special time. I want to pay him. I want to

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Speaker 1: pay a rookie. I wanna pay a fifth round pick money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want. I don't want to pay him Now

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Speaker 1: as an unrestricted free agent, you can get him cheaper

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Speaker 1: than what you could when he was restricted. So you

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Speaker 1: could get you could get a Benny Snell, you know,

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Speaker 1: a million dollars mhm, And that's fine. Ye. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: you could get him in a kzy contract with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of signing bonus. He's he's making the veteran

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Speaker 1: minimum now and an extra two fifty dollars and signing

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Speaker 1: bonus because I don't know, you know, m camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I think I think he has more and to

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Speaker 1: cut him. Yeah, I do think he has value with

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Speaker 1: this team because his running style is similar to that

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Speaker 1: it's similar to that as Naji Harris. Yeah, I bet

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Speaker 1: he has more value here than anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so and same kind of the same thing with Splaine.

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Speaker 1: You know, if I could get Splaine back on the

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Speaker 1: cheap okay, I don't, you know, But I'm not signing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not penciling him in as a starter. I get

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Speaker 1: the feeling they like him more than we like him.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure he's great behind the scenes and he

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Speaker 1: played a ton of snaps at the end, but he

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Speaker 1: can't be a starter for me. Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. Um, that brings us to stop gap. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If I draft fun and you know hopefully that the

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Speaker 1: drafted player outplays him quickly, but quickly quickly. Um, Pam Sutton,

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Speaker 1: Derek Watt, the aforementioned Derek Watt, and Chris Warmly are

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Speaker 1: the final three unrestricted. If Ogan job walks, I'm calling

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Speaker 1: Warmly right away, just because a bird in the hand,

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Speaker 1: you know, just for my fourth or fifth guy. I

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Speaker 1: know what he is. Otherwise, I'd love to see how

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Speaker 1: the draft goes before I talk to him. If you

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Speaker 1: have that lucky well and and he's come he's got

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Speaker 1: a knee injury that required surgery. Um, he's advantaged. He

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Speaker 1: might not get signed until training camp. Yeah, which again

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Speaker 1: could work to your advantage. Yeah, most from Sutton might

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Speaker 1: be the guy that you have to get signed before

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Speaker 1: free agency opens. I would say he's the one I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to now. I mean, if you're prioritizing who I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to before the fifteenth or whatever, you said, you'd

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Speaker 1: love to get him locked up. But I bet his

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Speaker 1: agent if he if the agent doesn't care where he plays,

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Speaker 1: would love to see his client gets on the open

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Speaker 1: market because he's giving a lot of money. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: if you look at what he made this year, his

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Speaker 1: cap hit was five point two million. The base salaries

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Speaker 1: four point five million UM when they signed him, and

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Speaker 1: it really came down to resigning him or you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Hilton, and people people look at that said, well

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Speaker 1: they should have resigned Hilton. They got Sutton at two

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Speaker 1: years at nine at nine million. They got a lot

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Speaker 1: of good football out of him for that pro and

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Speaker 1: got a lot of good football out of that guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What does spot track have him at projected? I bet

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Speaker 1: it's twelve. His market value according to spot track is

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Speaker 1: seven point six Wow, oh, I'm in at that. I

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Speaker 1: think he'd be over ten. They're talking three years twenty

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Speaker 1: two point nine million. I'll do that right now. I

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Speaker 1: would do three years million and be very comfortable. The

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Speaker 1: guys that they compare him to, surprise interestingly enough, Bradley Roby,

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Speaker 1: Michael Davis, Levi Wallace and Mike Kilton. Okay, I'd probably

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Speaker 1: take him over all those guys though, But that's crazy

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Speaker 1: company to keep. No, I mean, I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's a solid If I'm you know, Again, if you

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Speaker 1: had to line up tomorrow and play, you're happy having

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Speaker 1: you know, Cam Sutton absolutely as a guy that they

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Speaker 1: can you know, because you can do different things with

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Speaker 1: him as well. I think he has additional value here

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Speaker 1: as opposed to going somewhere else. Yeah, and no question.

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Speaker 1: And I also think he's the only one currently on

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Speaker 1: the roster that's the slot and an outside there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of value to which is very helpful as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the Steelers free agent situation. Those are

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Speaker 1: the guys that they have coming up for free agency here.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens as the uh as we

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Speaker 1: get closer to that uh that date. And I'm leaning

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Speaker 1: no on what too. Yeah, I mean he's thirty. Um,

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Speaker 1: you drafted you drafted Heyward for a reason. Um, he

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Speaker 1: does on offense is replaceable. He's a very special team er.

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Speaker 1: I understand his last name is Jones or you know Smith,

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Speaker 1: but so be it. Yeah, I mean that's just that's

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Speaker 1: the business part of it, of the equation. Um, you

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