WEBVTT - Ep17 - Kevin Costner / "Hidden Figures" 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.520 Welcome to Playback, a Variety podcast. I'm your host, Variety 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:25.160 Awards Editor Chris Tapley. On today's show, we take reader 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.280 questions at the end of the year. A little bit later, 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.400 I'll be talking to Hidden Figure star Kevin Costner. So 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:45.680 stick around. All right, we're back for our last episode 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.920 of the year. Oh my gosh, is it really that's it? 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.839 This is this is it? So it was nice knowing everybody. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.280 Welcome to Trump's America. We've thrown it out to reader 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:01.720 questions for this uh last little literally run out of people, 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.440 so put it in, put the words in our mouth. 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.240 Let's just dive into it. Um Marshall Schaeffer, any predictions 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.000 for how the guilds will change the narrative like they 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.319 did with American Sniper, Dragon Tattoo, etcetera. Well, arguably they 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.959 didn't try change the narrative with Dragon Tattoo because those 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.560 nominations didn't really turn out to be Best Director of 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:25.440 the Best Picture Academy. But I see what he's saying, Uh, guilds. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.760 I think the person the person, sorry, the film that 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.679 will probably benefit the most as Hidden Figures. I think 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.920 that's probably start to take it seriously with that I 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.440 mean I think, look, I know there's plenty of people 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.840 that think Arrival is in the thick of it. I 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.040 could totally see it get p G A and dj 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.759 A nominations. But you know, I could see that because 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:48.440 he's come around late in the game and they had 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.520 this big Christopher Nolan thing with him, and they're they're 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:52.160 really pushing it. I think it could happen. But I 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.200 still get Wait, what's the Christopher Nolan thing Q and 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.680 A with him at the center family. That's very big 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.880 of him, Like I would be like, and you're encroaching 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.880 on my territory, right, I'm the tweety smart sci fi 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.440 emotional like a little passing of the baton if you will. Um. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.920 But and we got this Blade Runner trailer that hit 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.800 last year. Denny is hot right now, and I love him. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:15.560 I think he's an amazing I think he was overlooked 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:20.240 last year for Cicario. He said, vibe and look, maybe 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.040 I'm wrong. I keep getting this vibe around Arrival. I'm 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:27.240 getting this Nightcrawler vibe. I'm getting this vibe yeah where 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:29.760 it's like yeah, PGA nominee. I granted those two movies 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.600 didn't get TG nominations, but it just maybe falls off 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.000 at the end of the day. And I've been feeling 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.960 the same way about Amy. We'll see. I'm happy to 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.680 be wrong. I mean, it's not like I'm being definitive here. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:41.880 I'm just kind of going with my gut. I've always 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.880 thought Amy was in on this race, and I've had 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.440 people telling me I'm wrong this whole time because it 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.399 is such a competitive category. The person that I've never 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.840 bought is has a secure cure spot is Meryl Streep 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.200 and Ruthnega. Not because they don't deserve it. They're both fantastic, 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.880 but I'm just you know, Meryl really doesn't do press. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.919 She doesn't need it. Of course she's fantastic. We've all 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.120 come to expect that. Um, and I don't know, like 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.480 how how is Loving doing? M Well, not that that matters. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.320 I mean, like hand me voters, because I still thing 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.120 is to like, we've got six seven new Academy members. 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.519 That's that's the biggest leap we've ever had. It. We 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.840 can no longer say, well the Academy yeah yeah, I mean, 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.400 well you can never really say that, like you're basically saying, oh, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.880 the hundred people I talked to generous. Yeah, um, it's 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.040 like one guy, you know, happy my ear off at 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.920 a screening, who's like really pulling for Miles talent my 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.560 makeup branch buddy. Yeah, those makeup people are serious man. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.720 Like I almost said, you know how they like narrow 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.080 it down and you have to give a presentation. I 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.160 almost feel like that's the way we should do best picture, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.960 Like I has to get up and over the months 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.880 we narrow it down five. Yeah, Colin Llewellyn, which film 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.800 didn't get enough recognition in two thousand sixteen? And which 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.240 is your most anticipated going into two thou seven teen. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.800 I haven't looked ahead much yet. There's the James Ponselt movie, 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.000 A movie, so I'm always there for PTA's new movies. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.240 What's that one? I forgot? Somebody helped me out on that. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.120 But look, I literally don't look ahead to the new 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.479 year until it's the new year. Yeah, I mean that's true. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.080 I mentioned Blade Runner. I think Blade Runner looks kind 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.440 of awesome. I mean I wasn't a huge I'm not 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:23.240 a huge Blade Runner fan by the way, which is 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.600 probably huge fan, and I'm very excited about this new one. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.080 And Roger Deakins is like, looks like he's crushing it. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.200 You know. The Circle is the name of the James 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.080 ponsel I just I think he's a fantastic packer. Also 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.320 The Glass Castle with Bree Lawson and I'm throwing out 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.640 there now Best Supporting Actor contender Woody Harrelson playing her 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.280 crazy dad. Wow, and he's got Wilson earlier in the year, 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.159 so he might have quite a narrative. But he did Wilson. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:50.159 I've read that script of years ago. Yeah, it's going 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.240 to be like a sun Dance early Spring movie. Though. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.960 He's a great actor, so he was so good an 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.200 Edge of seventeen. Hey, wait, there's a movie that should 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.800 have gotten more recognition Edge of seventeen because it didn't 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.440 make any money and you've been talking about it. I 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.080 still haven't. You still haven't seen it. Oh see, I 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:06.760 don't want to oversell it because then we have a 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.799 shallow situation, right where a movie is okay, but everybody 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.520 is so surprised it's okay that No, um, yeah, it 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.280 was great. It was on my top five list. I 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.560 guess I would probably say Green Room. Yeah, I mean 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:20.880 I think that I thought that did well. I mean 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.480 it did well, but like you know, it in its frame, 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.280 and then people forgot it and moved on to the 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.880 other movies. And I think it stuck around as one 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.400 of the best movies of the year, and it should 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.560 have been May being singled out for that. If I 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.120 had longer to think about this, maybe I'd come up 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.359 with something else. How did Florence Foster Jenkins do at 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.520 the box box office? Because I also really loved that movie. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.200 I think it did well in August and then they 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.240 re released it, so I don't know how much they 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.560 re released did, but I thought that that had a 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.279 really good shot at a sag entseumble. Noom you know 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.000 in the Golden Globes kind of brought it back, and yeah, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.120 I think it's a big crowdpleaser. There's a couple of 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.680 movies like that are such late releases. I don't know 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:57.680 if they're underappreciated yet. We both really like Patriots Day, 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.040 you know, I'd like to see how that does, and 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.479 it goes wide in January. Um still remains to be 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.080 seen how Hidden Figures will do. But the Independence Day Resurgence, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.119 it only made three millions slop. Did you see certain women? 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.479 I did not well. Nevertheless, rogue Observer would like to 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.599 know what the outlook is on that for award season. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.800 Why has its buzz sort of faded away? I mean, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.200 I don't know that it had like hot buzz. Some 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.480 critics gave it up for the like Lily Gladstone. I mean, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.719 if anything, that's that's a critics movie, and yeah, that's 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.520 where it's gonna thrive. And you know, sometimes they move 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:35.560 on to other shiny objects. Well, and also it's just 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:38.400 such a crazy race this year for actress and supporting actress. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.919 You know, it's it's hard to get in there. This 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.440 person wants to know if we will all live to 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.920 see two thousand eighteen. No idea, I'll get back to. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.719 This person wants to know how I can dislike Swiss 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:50.919 Army Man so much? You do you just like Swiss 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.719 Army Man. I couldn't stand it. Oh, this is interesting 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.880 because I thought I would hate it, and I was 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.200 really really surprised by the fact that I liked it. Yeah, 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.280 I mean, again getting back to what we said last 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.359 week about movies that people just dogpile and I'm not 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.360 like interested in tearing it apart, but like I appreciate 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.920 that people love the movie and found Hard in it. 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.960 I just it was it was the whole thing was 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.640 a stunt to me. It didn't translate emotionally at all. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.440 And hey, that's where I fell. I commend A twenty 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.280 for picking a movie like that up. I think they're 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.560 you know, I do this thing every year that the 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:26.960 superlatives like best Countless Thing, super lattice and I do, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.160 uh like Entertainer of the Year, and I think is 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.240 the Entertainer of the Year, just because of their interesting, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.560 wide swath of the content between that the Lobster obviously Moonlight. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.720 Help me out what else Green Room? Uh didn't they do? 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:44.520 They did Twenty Century Women, they did Amy last year. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.320 But yeah, I mean they're just I love their portfolio 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.280 of stuff they've picked up from America, from America. Shout 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:52.840 out to my boy Chad Hard again we got to 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.040 film school together. Uh, David would like to know. Wait, 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.680 he says, He says, no questions, just happy you're doing 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.880 in all show We needed that. We really did at 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.320 the end of this year, any shocks, no Golden globes 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.800 results like last year brewing. But okay, let me make 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:15.440 this an actual sentence. It wins another fan no Golden 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.760 Globes results like last year brewing based on what you 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:25.160 are hearing? Okay, Golden Globes, shockers on the horizon. Um. 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.240 I mean the conventional thinking is that Moonlight will take 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.679 drama and la Land will take musical. What if they 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.000 surprised us in Moonlight doesn't take drama. I think they're 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:40.040 both set. Actually, um, because I think they're I know 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.120 law la Land is like collectively their favorite movie. Yes, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.160 and that's in the musical comedy category. That's a lock. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.080 What's Moonlight up against that could possibly take it? Not 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.040 hidden figures but perfect there were no studio this hell 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.840 or high Water Moonlight. Manchester by the Sea could be Manchester, 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.040 uh one or the other two. It could be Manchester. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:03.840 But I don't think they liked that as much like 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.400 they kind of fences? Is that nominated? Someone's yelling at us. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.680 I'm sure, I don't think. I don't think we're gonna 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.360 get a shocking Best Picture Best Well. The year that 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.640 they awarded Grand Budapest Hotel Best Comedy over Birdman, that 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.280 was a surprise. Birdman was in like the less competitive 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.280 category and went up because they Birdman won screenplay only 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.559 from the Globes, which is, yeah, well that was a 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.280 year of Boyhood when everybody was so share Boyhood was 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.360 going to make a clean sweep and you know me 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.960 not me either. I was like not that, you know, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.760 I wasn't a fan of the movie, but I was like, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:42.120 I think people are confusing critics with Oscar voters, and 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.400 there's a very difference. That's why I'm like, I'm not 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.880 calling a front runner in the Best Actor category yet 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.400 until we get some gildin no. I mean like, yeah, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.120 all the critics are going with Casey Affleck, but it's 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.160 pretty tough to Denye dends on Washington. And like I 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.000 said last week, you know, if people see Bigo mortensand 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.920 and Captain Paid Picture, uh yeah, I mean I think 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.839 I still think Denzel is winning that, but I don't 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.640 know what I mean. I mean, I kind of do too. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.840 I'm but like, there's you know, there's three people you 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.320 know who I think are in the running, and they're 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.680 also good. We say this on the air, I don't remember. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.600 I feel like there's a world where Ryan Gosling just yes, 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.520 I do too. Yeah. So so until like the Guild speak, basically, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.760 until the SAG Awards, you know I'm hesitant to cry 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.640 front run around and the only ones that matter personally. 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.360 It's the only thing where the memberships kind of cross pollinate. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.319 Mary kring will Fit is back with I know you're 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.120 an advocate for a best Ensemble category? Am I? I 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.240 think she means me probably he sorry, Mary, Mary E 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.520 r r y. It's it's a it's a an altered 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.720 Twitter handle for the for the season. Uh says I 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.319 know you're an advocate for but so you're not you're 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:58.480 an advocate for that? Huh advocate? I mean yeah, yeah. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.760 I don't think that there's any correlate should between Best 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:02.640 Ensemble and Best Picture. And I'll say that till I'm 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.400 blue in the filtre Um. But I do love the 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.000 ensemble category. I love that the SAG Awards, you know, ensemble. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.760 And this is a tough one for me because these 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.000 are five true great ensembles. Um, I think Moonlight is 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:19.880 the obvious choice. Um, that is up the perfect cast. Yeah, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.120 it'd be my pick two. Um, but hidden figures. Are 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.960 we predicting or are we saying because he he must 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.480 to know who should win this year? Moonlight? You think Moonlights? Yeah, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:33.360 we both think Moonlighters is the best ensemble. But you know, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.920 I do think that, Uh, I think it's gonna go 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.600 to Fences. Really well, that would not be a bad choice. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.040 It's a perfect cast, and so I think Fences and 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.000 Hidden Figures are real threats to Moonlight. I mean, all 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.160 three of those casts are pretty remarkable, and um, Hidden 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.120 Figures sort of has the advantage of it's be It's 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.319 filled with a lot of familiar faces that people love. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.080 You've got Kevin Costner and Jim Parson, into Arshi be Henson, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.760 Octavia Spencer, who doesn't love Octavia Spencer? And then you 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:09.439 know new faces like Janelle Monet, who's so good in 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.680 a double nomine Moonlight. Yeah. I keep refreshing to see 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.040 if someone will send us some more questions. Never happened, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.480 bunch of them. Um any any any Uh? What do 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.240 you call it New year resolutions? I don't make New 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.120 Year's resolutions? Um be in it, but no more than like, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.760 why do I want to set myself up for failure? 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.400 But can I just say I'm so happy to say 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.040 goodbye to this year? So happy too. And it's a 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:39.760 weird thing to say, because like, I mean, look, I 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.040 had to kid this, it's amazing, but like, but also 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.280 the year started with my dog dying, and I said, like, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.240 you know, well, the year can't get much worse, and 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.400 then it's been a rough one and it will be 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.320 very interesting to see like just I mean, look, we've 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.640 talked about it all year about La La Land being 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.280 this movie you can escape with and how it makes 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.080 it an easy pick almost after such a downer of 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.120 a year. Can I tell you I don't I don't 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.240 think I told this on the air. Um deb Akilla, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.960 who cast law the Land, who's like, she's an amazing 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.559 casting director. She's probably cast all your favorite movies. I 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.040 did a Q and A with her and some people 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.280 from La La Land a couple of weeks ago and 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.040 sort of asked like, you know why it was such 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.840 a good time for this movie, and she talked about 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.320 the song in Maine we need a little Christmas. You know. 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.679 I love that song, and she's like, I just feel 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.480 like it applies to this movie. We need a little 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.480 La La right now. And I was like, yeah, well 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:37.840 that that says it all. Follow La La La. That 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.800 was such a corny joke. That was like from Swingers 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.679 when he's like, well we all have stories and it 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.800 just kills the mood. Anyway, on that note, would you 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:48.840 and I can? I can? I can bring up my 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.200 dead dog again listen. But I'm very sorry to hear 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.560 that you have a new one though. Oh I was 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.280 fostering one. Yes, but she went she went to a 0:13:57.280 --> 0:13:59.640 lovely home. Yeah, and let me tell you, I was 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.920 getting like I was getting some celebrity help with this dog, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:05.800 like Joel Edgerton was offering too, because she had a 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.280 when she curls up, she has a heart. I checked 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.600 out my Instagram. I'll repost the picture and she's a sweetheart, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.640 and um, you know I was. I was saying, like, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.240 you know, she's she's been in the system quote unquote 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.320 for a few years and it's never found at home. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.440 And Joel was like, well, you know, He's like, tell 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:22.760 me if you want me to tweet it, like I'll 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.880 post a picture of her. And Ryan Goslin said the 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.440 same thing, and I was like, okay, but when you know, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.040 I want to make sure I get someone who's serious 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.080 about the dog and just like a movie fan. But no, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.200 she found a wonderful, wonderful home. Let's just close with that, 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.600 because that's a great story, this terrible year on and 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.160 everyone have a happy New Year. Will be back next 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:46.000 month with raw Oh and by the way, speaking earlier 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.160 of Kevin Costner, Kevin hidden figures, and we don't just 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.960 talk about hidden figures. We talk about like as much 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.560 as I could do in thirty minutes. It was like 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.560 a sprint through his career. He's got so many great stories. 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.520 But one of my favorites that I've done here, So 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:25.800 stay tuned to that. You know we're doing here. We're 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.240 putting a human on top of a missile shooting into 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.760 space and it's never been done before. I need a 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.720 mathematician that can look beyond the numbers. Math that doesn't exist. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.880 You have someone fans. Katherine is a girl for that. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:41.880 She can handle in a numbers you put in front 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.960 of them, you'll compute that nasty and then women handle 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:50.560 that sort of Yes, that women do some things that 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:55.440 massa Mr Johnson, And it's not because we're wear skirts. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.560 It's because we wear glasses. Do you've been last for 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.640 see you? What's my mama going for twelveman a half days? No, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:09.400 but it felt like it. In fourteen days. Astronauts will 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.600 be here for training everything we do canna matter to 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.080 their wives, to their children. I really it's gonna matter 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:20.000 to the whole country. I was already. There's no protocol 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.200 for women attending, there's no protocol for ma certally nerdy side. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.360 We all get there together, we don't get there at 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:35.600 all together. Let me ask you, if you add like mad, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.520 would you wish to be an engineer? I wouldn't have 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.480 to already be one. Welcome back everyone, I'm here with 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.560 the Star of Hidden Figures, Kevin Costner. Thanks for doing 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.640 the show Man, Thanks for being here. It's a huge 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.480 pleasure to have you on the show. I realized when 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.240 I started preparing that I need way more than a 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.680 half hour. Yeah, it is. It's I mean, we live 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.880 in a world where you know, when you're going to 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:05.200 television shows, it's like it's the ideas that they really 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:06.920 want to hear what you say, but they really don't. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.800 It's all about you plug in your movie and then 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.960 getting to the last joke and moving to the next guest. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:18.520 And it's only things like this where sometimes you can 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:21.480 get below the surface and you're right, thirty minutes doesn't 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.879 even really do it unless you're drilling down on a 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.560 few ideas. That's what I'm gonna try to do. I'm 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.600 gonna start with I think one of my probably my 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.879 earliest cinematic memory. Actually, I'm curious if you remember your 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:38.520 time on this the episode of Amazing Stories, right the mission, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.680 Steven Spielberg. Yeah, that was an interesting moment. A couple 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.000 of things happened there. That was right after Fan Dango 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.240 and uh, you know, Stephen was gonna move into this 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:53.240 television idea and turned out he was gonna actually direct 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.399 that episode, and I learned a couple of things about myself. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.400 Interesting enough, I love working with him, but I really 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.320 wasn't at my best. Um, it came to them. We 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.240 shot on a Monday, and I probably heard on a 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:12.879 Thursday they wanted me to do it. And as it 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.960 turns out, I'm not a quick study of lines. It's 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.399 a really it's very difficult for me. I have a 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.200 tendency to get completely off book, something like JFK or 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.760 the movie I'm doing with Aaron Sorkin or the last 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.000 movie I did. I learned it probably at least a 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:31.320 month before we shoot, and then I'm sitting with it 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.080 for a month and then shooting starts and I become 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.480 very very comfortable. I was incredibly uncomfortable and sure as heck. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.840 He did a very long shot, a rolling shot that 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.600 involved getting all the lines, and I struggled with it 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.680 and it was a really hard moment for him. But 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.800 you know, it was really beautiful looking. I'm happy that 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.320 I did it, but I'm not happy with how I 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.720 felt doing it because I wasn't really at my best 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:04.240 and and so it I know that episodic TV it 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.720 would be very very difficult for me, and I learned 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.080 it on Amazing Stories diving into the water there with 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.040 something like that with Spielberg too, I mean, were you nervous, Well, 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.200 I I don't. I didn't get nervous about that, but 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.920 I I felt like, you know, he's depending on me 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.159 to be able to do anything he wants to do 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.520 with the camera. I should be delivering with all the 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.840 rhythms in the world, my my, and I think there 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.080 was probably a moment where I might have looked a 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.240 little stiff to him. I might have looked a little 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.040 bit not like, you know, I wasn't that malleable in 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.440 the sense that I was really I was not performing 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.240 as much as I was just kind of like hoping 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.560 to get all the lines right. So it's just a 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.399 pattern for me that I learned to put it this 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.320 way as a five year old. None of that showed up. 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.159 It was a magical episode, And like I said, I 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.240 think it's probably my earliest memory of just kind of 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.879 sitting down a front Remember a movie marked me as 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:01.639 a seven year old. You know how the West was 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:05.520 one at the center. Imadn't totally that would have been awesome. Um, 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:08.040 I wanted to, Like I said before we started talking, 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.199 I want to skip a stone if I can across 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.800 some of the things in your career. And one thing 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.320 you just mentioned briefly, JFK. I think is one of 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.000 the greatest films ever made. I mean, certainly one of 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.560 the most impeccably shot and edited films I've ever seen. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:25.119 And it's celebrating its twenty fifth anniversary this year. Does 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.800 it feel like twenty five years? It doesn't. But there 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.439 was I tell you it was working with a lot 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:35.600 of film stock. He was I think writing really well. Um. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.440 I think he was feeling it, meaning in a really 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.280 good way. It was very passionate about that movie. It 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.280 was a big bite that he took out of a 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:50.680 difficult subject and I thought he kind of he brought 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.960 people into that process, whether or not they believed in it. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.719 It was powerful filmmaking, absolutely, And what do you think 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.959 the legacy is of of that movie. I don't know, Um, 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.399 I don't know what. I don't know what it is. 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.879 I think, uh, any generation that chooses to see. And 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.440 that's what you have to keep in mind when you're 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.000 actually making a movie that you know, you're not making 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.879 them for opening weekend. Although that's the god that everybody's 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.000 praying to out there, the reality is that there's gonna 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.200 be five year olds, and certainly not for JFK, but 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.520 for amazing stories. They're going to be people that it 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.040 has a chance to mark. And a movie like JFK 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:32.879 has a chance for generations to visit it when they 0:21:32.920 --> 0:21:36.399 come of an age where that interests them and the 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:42.239 questions posed are really really important. And you know, there 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:44.439 was a there was a shift in the country about 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:47.119