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Speaker 1: Here we go hour two and a Thursday. Ram Seahawks

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Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Darnold last two seasons twenty

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Speaker 1: five up and six down. I gave you that little

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Speaker 3: If you go.

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Speaker 1: Take the Jets ten year out and you go to

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Speaker 1: Carolina where he sat for eleven weeks, first time he'd

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Speaker 1: ever sat, and he starts in like week eleven for

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Speaker 1: Carolina from that day until tonight, here's a higher win percentage.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes and Brady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said it, Sammy d Sam Donald, the overall

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Speaker 1: culture with Mike McDonald, John Snyder, it's just they're a

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Speaker 1: fun watch. They're aggressive both sides of the ball. They

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Speaker 1: can be physical, they're fast. Here's the coach on his club.

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Speaker 4: My message to our team was, hey, we'rening. We are

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Speaker 4: really fortunate and blessed and should feel really confident in

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Speaker 4: the work that we've done up to this point to

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Speaker 4: put ourselves in this position where we have a lot

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Speaker 4: of great players that are ready to go. We trust

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Speaker 4: each other. I feel like we're a connected team. I

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Speaker 4: feel like we're a tough team, and.

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Speaker 5: So let's go.

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Speaker 6: Let's go do it. You know, let's go, let's go

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Speaker 6: rip it. Yep.

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Speaker 1: With that, Greg Cosell, forty six years working at NFL Films,

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Speaker 1: we all get smarter. So let's pivot quickly to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Rams, and they're talented. When you

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Speaker 1: watch the offense with somebody with four and a half

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Speaker 1: the ugly tush push to Mike Martz, give me what

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Speaker 1: when you watch the Rams? Is there a prototype? Have

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Speaker 1: you seen it before? What do you make of the offense?

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Speaker 6: I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me?

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Speaker 6: And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this

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Speaker 6: colin From weeks one through six this season, they did

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Speaker 6: not play one snap with three tight ends on the field.

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Speaker 6: Beginning Week seven until now, forty one percent of their

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Speaker 6: offensive snaps have had three tight ends on the field. Now,

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Speaker 6: one game where they didn't play a lot of it

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Speaker 6: I would imagine they will play with three tight ends

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Speaker 6: going to sit here and recite numbers, but just believe me.

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Speaker 6: They have been so good out of three tight end personnel,

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Speaker 6: Think about that for a minute. They've gained close to

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Speaker 6: eight touchdowns just out of three tight ends. And what

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Speaker 6: one could make the argument that Nicki Minwari is the

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Speaker 6: Seattle's defense. They're a fun watch. By the way.

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Speaker 1: Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong with the Seahawks

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I

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Speaker 1: I want to go Bears Packers. You know Chicago's run game.

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Speaker 1: Does the Bears run game get enough credit?

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Speaker 6: fine because he makes special plays. But they're the second

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Speaker 6: best running team in the National Football League. Only two

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Speaker 6: It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm

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Speaker 6: me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with

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Speaker 6: the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the

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Speaker 6: How punitive?

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Speaker 1: How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess

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Speaker 6: interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff

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Speaker 6: Colin is does he rush five? You know a few

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Speaker 6: more times than that he might normally because he doesn't

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Speaker 6: have that one guy in Parsons who can win from

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Speaker 6: multiple locations in the defensive front. Now it's a more

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Speaker 6: think they'll stunt a lot They've always been a high

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Speaker 6: But the question, and we won't know the answer, is

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Speaker 3: All right, a team right.

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Speaker 1: Now that you know listen, I think there's a big

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Speaker 1: chunk of America, myself included, that would like to see

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills finally win a Super Bowl. There's so

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Speaker 1: many things about the people, the culture, Josh Allen. They

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Speaker 1: don't have much of a vertical threat. They're very tight

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Speaker 1: I always feel like, and I felt this at various

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Speaker 1: times for the last six or seven years, they just

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Speaker 1: think to myself, well, if you have it, use it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess when you watch their offense, do

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Speaker 1: you feel like it sometimes they just wait for Josh

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Speaker 6: I don't think that's true. And I think that, you know,

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Speaker 6: the numbers bear that out. And because every time I

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Speaker 6: watch them play, they get to the second half of games,

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Speaker 6: and we know they've been tra at times at halftime

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Speaker 6: how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to

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Speaker 6: not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's

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Speaker 6: just that he makes special plays and is capable of it.

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Speaker 6: So it appears that way, and he certainly has games

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Speaker 6: just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense. They've got

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Speaker 6: And you'll look at last week's game, I thought their

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Speaker 6: defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job because they changed

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Speaker 6: Drake May to be a little hesitant and to not

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Speaker 6: and he has for most of the season. So yes,

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Speaker 6: we focus on Josh and deservedly so. I mean, you

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Speaker 6: it's not just him, the way they play.

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Speaker 1: There's a team in the league that's actually very good,

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Speaker 1: but all of us, myself included, are just not going

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Speaker 1: And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a

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Speaker 1: I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and after about

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Speaker 1: three or four years, I'm like, he turns it over

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Speaker 1: too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well, this

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Speaker 1: team can run, they can stop the run. You tell

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Speaker 1: me this offense for Jacksonville, is it for real?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Well, it's funny because the last five weeks and

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Speaker 6: they've won five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the

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Speaker 6: most touchdown passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks.

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Speaker 6: And I would say because I watch them every week,

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Speaker 6: because I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that

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Speaker 6: always fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can

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Speaker 6: see a difference in the way he's been playing the

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Speaker 6: last five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level

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Speaker 6: and his throws. Because quarterbacks that are decisive, that means

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Speaker 6: in their mind they're seeing it with clarity. Does that

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Speaker 6: mean every throw is great, No, But in their mind

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Speaker 6: they're seeing it with clarity because the ball's coming out

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Speaker 6: within timing and structure and rhythm. And he has played

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Speaker 6: like that the last five weeks and one of the

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Speaker 6: to sit here and say he's going to have a

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Speaker 6: great game against Denver. That's a really difficult defense. It's

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Speaker 6: on the road. Denver leads the NFL in third down defense,

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Speaker 6: hard defense to play against. So hey, he could throw

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Speaker 6: two or three picks and then people might say, oh,

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Speaker 6: watching him these last four or five weeks, there is

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Speaker 1: Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like

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Speaker 6: Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term, but a

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Speaker 3: But I watched this offense and.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Kyle's been running this offense forever. Half the

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Speaker 6: Yes? Well, what you see a lot of are changes

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Speaker 6: they've added all those things, but it's still a very

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Speaker 6: choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use

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Speaker 6: But it's probably I would assume this. I'm not in

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen

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Speaker 6: been good to see. They've started to do more things

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Speaker 6: which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define

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Speaker 6: know the answer to that. I'm not smart enough for that, Colin,

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean a lot to me. It's the execution.

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Speaker 6: So let's go to that play because I think it

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Speaker 1: Great to have you in Seahawks hosting the Rams tonight

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Speaker 1: Seattle twenty one and ten since they moved on from

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Speaker 1: Seattle's on a roll three straight A drafts from John Snyder.

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna get a look at fifteen players total

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Speaker 1: back to that John Snyder draft when he got JSN

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Speaker 1: and Witherspoon, the receiver star from Ohio State in the

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 6: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herd News.

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Speaker 8: And let's go to Seattle for that game. Weather reports

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Speaker 8: are not looking good. It could get inclement there, but

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Speaker 8: don't worry. McVeigh is dealing with the weather and guess what, Colin,

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Speaker 3: The other two John Madden.

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Speaker 8: No, these guys are Yeah, Curly Lambeau love him.

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Speaker 3: George Hallis, Oh yeah, you were probably.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So McVeigh in a really impressive group if he's

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Speaker 8: a father, a lot going on. Holiday season number one.

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Speaker 8: See this game is crazy tonight. Hope you don't have

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that doesn't mean I can't open up a

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Speaker 1: second small bottle of champagne to celebrate the greatness that

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Speaker 8: And listen, I'm not gonna lie Rams getting the number

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Speaker 3: You know that's not bad.

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Speaker 8: Well, indoors, give me so far over twenty degrees outside

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Speaker 1: I think I could argue bad weather favors the Rams

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Speaker 1: because they have a more consistent, high end run game.

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Speaker 6: Interesting.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't want to be I don't want to

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Speaker 3: So whatever, I just hope it's a great game. I

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Speaker 8: Joe Burrow, Colin Boy Interestingly, he keeps saying stuff into microphones. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: looks like with the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: This is not great. Take a listen.

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Speaker 6: Is there any world in your mind when you're not

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Speaker 6: the quarterback of the Bengals next year? I could, I couldn't.

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Speaker 5: I can't see that now.

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Speaker 6: A lot of crazy things happen every year. Michael Parsons

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Speaker 6: got traded.

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Speaker 8: Right before the right before the season.

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Speaker 6: I think this year.

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Speaker 3: That is something I haven't seen in a long time

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: So crazy things gonna happen. I know.

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Speaker 8: We have a Bengals fan on staff who just hears

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Speaker 8: that and is just burying his.

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Speaker 3: Head in his hands.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 8: That is basically like, somebody come get me, is it not?

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Speaker 8: Is Joe Burrow not saying I'm open.

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Speaker 3: To leaving this franchise? It's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I feel actual little sadness for Joe

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Speaker 1: because I think he's never had an offensive line better

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Speaker 1: than twenty third. The weird thing, I always have sympathy

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Speaker 1: for pro athletes who their first team out of college.

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Speaker 1: They work all these years to be elite and they

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Speaker 1: end up going to a terrible franchise with bad ownership

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Speaker 1: and a small front office. I mean, he's just I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many more times can he get beat up and

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Speaker 1: have to go into rehab? He's you know, the good

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Speaker 1: thing is they got him. They got him good receivers,

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Speaker 1: but not much else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so here's a fun portion of the program.

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Speaker 8: Burrow said next year he'll be in Cincinnati after that TBD. Right,

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Speaker 8: So I've got four teams. I've been spitballing working around

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Speaker 8: some stuff. Here are you ready? Four teams for Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 8: Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin Obviously, Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 8: is there for this year and next year. But Howie

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Speaker 8: Rosevean has taken some big swings, some surprising moves.

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Speaker 3: They've moved off, they brought in guys.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't rule out if Burrow's on the market Philadelphia

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Speaker 8: making a move.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Oh, it's.

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Speaker 1: The kind of thing Howie Roseman would do. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So yeah.

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Speaker 8: There's another team that has taken some big swings. They

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Speaker 8: happen to play out here at SOFI and that's McVeigh

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Speaker 8: and the Rams less sneed.

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Speaker 3: They are always working.

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Speaker 8: They got DeVante Adams, they went and got Matthew.

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Speaker 3: Stafford for golf. Stafford's got a year or two left.

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Speaker 8: You don't think there's a world where they make a

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Speaker 8: move and go after Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, I do think there's a world

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Speaker 1: that would happen. And they have such a stacked roster

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Speaker 1: they could give Cincinnati a number one pick and like

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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl level defensive lineman. I mean they have

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Speaker 1: that kind of depth. Yeah, I mean I can see

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Speaker 1: the Rams doing that. I can see McVeigh saying I

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Speaker 1: don't want a twenty two year old quarterback, I want

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Speaker 1: my Stafford.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So two more.

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Speaker 8: This one obviously is self interest, but I can see

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Speaker 8: the New York Jets being a decent fit for Burrow.

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Speaker 8: I know they have a terrible owner of that. Joe

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Speaker 8: feels like a New York kind of guy. They get

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Speaker 8: into fashion and a chance to be the franchise savior

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Speaker 8: in New York.

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Speaker 1: No, from the Bengals ownership to the Jets.

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Speaker 8: Out of the frying pan, end of the potcatcha the

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Speaker 8: final one Colin this one's interesting. His college buddy Justin

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Speaker 8: Jefferson plays in Minnesota. Georgie McCarthy is going to get

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Speaker 8: another year, right, But after that, Kevin O'Connell, if they

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Speaker 8: don't make the playoffs next year, hey Kevin, you got

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Speaker 8: to do something big.

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Speaker 3: They make a move and go get Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Oh I could see that because the Bengals wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: to pay maybe the rest of Burrow's contract. I don't

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Speaker 1: have the numbers in the years in front of me,

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Speaker 1: but you know, anytime they can save a nickel, they will,

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Speaker 1: So I could see that happening.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know there's gonna be a we joke about markets.

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Speaker 8: That's a huge market for Burrow. Everybody and their mom

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Speaker 8: is doing whatever they can.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's had he's had a lot of injuries, so

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Speaker 1: you buy or beware. I'm not acquiring him if I

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Speaker 1: have to give up offensive lineman or if I have

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Speaker 1: a bad old line like the rams O line is good,

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Speaker 1: but he is. I have some sympathy for Joe. I

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Speaker 1: know he's made a lot of money, he's a pro athlete,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I feel bad for these guys that

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Speaker 1: get drafted by lousy franchises. And Cincinnati's cheap and you

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Speaker 1: know they won't protect him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: First thing Ben Johnson did with Kayleb Williams by an

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Speaker 1: elite center, buy two really good guards, first thing he did,

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Speaker 1: and then get him another receiver, Luther Burton, get him

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Speaker 1: a tight end. I mean, the first thing he did

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Speaker 1: is furnished Caleb Williams with assistance, protection, insurance, and health.

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Speaker 1: That's how you do it, all.

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Speaker 3: Right, Final story, Colin.

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Speaker 8: Speaking of the Bengals, they will be facing Quinn Viewers

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Speaker 8: and the Miami Dolphins. Tua has been benched for yours.

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Speaker 8: In his first media appearance since the decision, Tua discussed

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Speaker 8: his feelings on getting kicked to the curb.

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Speaker 9: I'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal, it's normal

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Speaker 9: human emotion. But you know, outside of that, I got

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Speaker 9: to do my part. My role here right now is

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Speaker 9: to help whoever the quarterback is going to be for

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Speaker 9: this team, to lead this team, help in whatever.

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Speaker 6: Way I can, uh, you know.

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Speaker 9: To help the team win, win this game on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's time he had a run. It's time he

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Speaker 3: had that was impressive.

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Speaker 8: By to listen, you get benched and you're facing the

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Speaker 8: media fifty microphones in your face. He sounded good, Colin,

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Speaker 8: I've got a crazy staff for you.

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Speaker 3: I just noticed this.

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Speaker 8: You want to guess how many rookie quarterbacks are starting

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Speaker 8: this weekend in the NFL?

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Speaker 6: Six?

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Speaker 3: Wow? How did you know that? I was like, I

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Speaker 3: didn't even know six guys were drafted. It was such

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Speaker 3: a bad glass.

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Speaker 8: Here we go, yours, cam Ward, Tyler, Schuck, Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 8: Shador Sanders, and yes, Brady Cook is starting for the

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Speaker 8: Jets again. This is a sign that multiple teams get

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Speaker 8: the whole tanking memo right.

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Speaker 3: Some of these guys should not be starting this week.

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Speaker 3: Let Brady Cook is what they're staying in New York.

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Speaker 1: They're not saying J Mack with a news Well that's

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Speaker 1: the news and thanks for stopping by her line. This

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Speaker 1: should be noted. They're all a little better than we thought.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Shucks, a little better than we thought, Jackson, d Art, Schador, Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Everybody said, oh, it's a bad quarterback class. I even

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Speaker 1: watched the Cook kid for the Jets last week. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I watched them in college Missouri. I'm like, he's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good player.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 8: your share of ten thousand dollars in cash prizes.

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Speaker 1: You know, j Mack, I'm a bit of a traditionalist,

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Speaker 1: and this time of the year, I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: get the warm and fuzzies here I'm gonna I took

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Speaker 1: out a pencil, number two pencil and uh, some note cards,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to set her. You know, people I've

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Speaker 1: wronged in college and pro football over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of months. You know, I'm I'm big enough man to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd i'd

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Speaker 1: write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 6: Dear.

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Speaker 1: Aaron, I said this offense was a rotary phone in

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Speaker 1: a smartphone world, dated, clunky and unnecessary, But like fries

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Speaker 1: in a sandwich, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without

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Speaker 3: you buy Awuasca. Colin.

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Speaker 1: You know I was tough on Dak Prescott and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that number two pencil.

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Speaker 1: Dear Dak, I once said you were not the guy

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Speaker 1: you would back up the Brinks truck for. Consider this

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Speaker 1: my Texas size surrender. You can lead a team and

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Speaker 1: a league. If you were on my team, I'd back

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Speaker 1: up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck, the

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Speaker 1: Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in passing yards.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm going to send one to his

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Speaker 1: billionaire friend, Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: Happy Yee Holidays.

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Speaker 1: Jerry, I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse

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Speaker 1: buy at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and

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Speaker 1: splash over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon

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Speaker 1: ball off the yacht. Still you swung. So I'm holding

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Speaker 1: up a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart, I

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Speaker 1: was tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more

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Speaker 1: time in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow

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Speaker 1: come out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a

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Speaker 1: developing polaroid. I can't see the full picture yet, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin.

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Speaker 1: How about forty four year old Philip Rivers, recently unretired.

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Speaker 1: Dear Coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry the media did.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went

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Speaker 1: out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick.

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Speaker 1: Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin.

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Speaker 1: How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks

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Speaker 1: at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed.

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Speaker 1: I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward,

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Speaker 1: your thirteenth man.

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays.

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Speaker 1: How about this one to USC coach Lincoln Riley. I

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Speaker 1: just finished this one this morning. Dearest Lincoln, here's my

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Speaker 1: Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan tenure was drifting, momentum

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Speaker 1: gone like a film that ran out of budget. Then

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Speaker 1: you recruited the number one recruiting class. My apologies. You're

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Speaker 1: greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff. Stay streaming Colin

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Speaker 1: and finally the new Louisiana State football coach Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 1: Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to LSU would be chaotic, combustible,

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Speaker 1: and short lived. You know what, I'm gonna hang onto

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Speaker 1: this for a few more weeks. I'm not gonna send

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Speaker 1: this one out yet. I mean, he did crush it,

637
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Speaker 1: old mess, but the governor's on his.

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Speaker 3: Butt, Jahn. I don't know anyway. A couple of holiday letters.

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Speaker 3: I saw this, j Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 8: I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the

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Speaker 8: US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well done, and getting in a dig at

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Speaker 3: me and calling me a bozo. I like it, man,

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Speaker 3: that's good stuff. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: So I saw this story, and you know, I like

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Speaker 1: the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them.

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Speaker 1: It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.

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Speaker 1: This is the headline, because he can still be the

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Speaker 1: quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So

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Speaker 1: he went to a high school that was a smaller school,

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00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: and some question the competition not his.

653
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: Fault a reality.

654
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well.

655
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great

656
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: offensive coach and Texas talent.

657
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 3: And then year three starts.

658
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: With Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it

659
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: the first half of this year. Go back and look

660
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to

661
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams

662
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: was thrust into a game, was not prepared for it.

663
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: At Oklahoma, he was brilliant. The first time. Trevor Lawrence

664
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew luck may

665
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow,

666
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational.

667
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: Like John Elway.

668
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: Arch sat for two years, had Sark, had Texas and

669
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him. That doesn't feel

670
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: like something that becomes the number one pick. Like Fernando

671
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the world on fire,

672
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: but Cal's got no you know, they've got like second

673
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: tier talent. The minute he got elite talent, not Ohio

674
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: State talent, for good talent around him. I mean He's

675
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: been unbelievable this year. So I think my take is

676
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 1: an arch manning generally speaking, Kobe at seventeen, eighteen years old,

677
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: had the greatest workout Jerry West, the late Jerry West,

678
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen was called the

679
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: best high school basketball player ever. I think when you're

680
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps whoa Andrew

681
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Look redshirt freshman year, Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't mean certain

682
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: players can't develop slowly, but I do think, you know

683
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player. I think

684
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade. I

685
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: think generally, and remember this an example is he had

686
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: such an advantage being a manning all the family members

687
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So I

688
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback.

689
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a

690
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: pretty good arm. When I number one pick, I think

691
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, Cooper Flagg, Lebron, I think just generational stuff.

692
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know,

693
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: I just don't I feel like next year, if Dante

694
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would

695
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: be an.

696
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 3: Easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore.

697
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, the Manning family may not want

698
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: the number one thing. I mean the number one pick

699
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: you often go to an awful team if you slide

700
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But

701
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of

702
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: number one pick kind of I don't know. I just

703
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was

704
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't

705
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: quite unsee yet. Here's sark on Arch Manning coming back

706
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: for another year.

707
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as

708
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 5: the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I

709
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 5: think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would

710
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 5: think he's going to want another year of that growth

711
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 5: to put himself in position for hopefully a long career

712
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 5: in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him.

713
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 5: I think the competitor him is going to say, man,

714
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: I sure would like another crack at trying to do

715
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: those things.

716
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's

717
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: not that young, and I guess he could be a

718
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: slow developer. I mean Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like,

719
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he

720
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: popped and threw.

721
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 3: With like sixty touchdowners. I think it outrageous at LSU.

722
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: But the headline is the thing that caught my attention.

723
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. He could

724
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: still be quarterback one. I think what's going to happen.

725
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More could stay

726
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama. Next year's

727
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: class could be could be pretty profound.

728
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: We'll see.

729
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism,

730
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: but I think Jackson Dart, we have to be fair.

731
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart is.

732
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely I saw him as kind of a second round talent.

733
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart's been good. Too many trips to the Blue Tent.

734
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: But you know what, Drake may spent some time in

735
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: the Blue tent his rookie year. Justin Herbert put his

736
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: head down, tried to run over linebackers in safety. So

737
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: did Baker Mayfield. You get popped about six seven times,

738
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you look at the blue

739
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: tent and it's like that place you don't want to go, right.

740
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: So it'll be a.

741
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game.

742
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do

743
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a

744
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of upsets.

745
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: Oh I do, Lito closer my friend, Oh you have one? Oh,

746
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, We've touched on it a couple times

747
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: this week. I read it to you before the show.

748
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 8: The Kansas City Chiefs injury report screams a team that's

749
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 8: just going to shut down a lot of dudes and

750
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 8: have them play maybe on Christmas Day at home against

751
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 8: the Broncos in like a Travis Kelce sendoff. Receive Rice's

752
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 8: concuss doesn't look like he's going to go. My fantasy

753
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 8: team's not happy. But you look around that team and

754
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 8: there's a lot of McDuffie may not play.

755
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: Now.

756
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 8: I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still

757
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 8: a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to

758
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 8: make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs.

759
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 8: Cam Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying. I think the

760
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 8: Titans win that outright. This line has come down four

761
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 8: and a half to three. I think it's gonna keep

762
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 8: coming down if the injury report keeps getting bad for Casey.

763
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: You know what, can I give you a sharp pick?

764
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think

765
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: three is too many points. I like New England Baltimore.

766
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: That is, if they lose, it's close.

767
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 6: The other thing.

768
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 8: I just submitted, by the way, Ravens Patriots will be

769
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 8: in headlines tomorrow. Just just laid the wager on one

770
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 8: of those teams. No tease, Just gonna put that out there.

771
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys? Cowboys probably

772
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: how I see. I thought earlier in the week you

773
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: were Chargers. I you know, when you get humiliated or

774
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: you play really poorly in a big spot and the

775
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: owners ripping the defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going

776
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: to have one of those kind of circle the wagons

777
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of like play as well as they can possibly play,

778
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: And it feels like the Chargers are just figuring out

779
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: ways to win ugly and that may bite them.

780
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: At some point.

781
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 8: They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won,

782
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 8: but a lot of it had to do with the

783
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 8: Chiefs just stink. You know, the Chargers' offensive line is horrible.

784
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 8: I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's

785
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 8: got the broken hands.

786
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: Not good.

787
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: Our number three. Todd mcshay's top spot, Mendoza Dart. What

788
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: would you do if you're the GM in New York