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Speaker 1: amphetamine problem and not be complacent. Yeah, and also how

425
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: many how many of our gay bars have died during

426
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: this time? Um? Is poor little Metropolitan even going to

427
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: be there to try to serve you a hot dog

428
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday afternoon? Who can't say I think I didn't

429
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: what they're building there. They're gonna have a big bathroom review.

430
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a huge bathroom, actually turning the entire

431
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: place into one big bathroom because the bathroom was so

432
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: old and stunk like peace so bad, and now they're

433
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: going to have a big new bathroom. You know, I

434
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: just went to the Rosemont the other day for outdoor dining,

435
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: and you know this was the food. You know, the

436
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: specific kind of um, the specific depressing atmosphere of like

437
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: a drag queen trying so hard to host a viewing

438
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: of RuPaul's Drag Race UK while no one is paying

439
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: attention is heightened so much when it is happening in

440
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: a so socially distanced an outdoor way while it is

441
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: thirty degrees outside. So what was happening in this specific

442
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: instance was we were outside, they were projecting it onto

443
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: a wall, and the drag queen was inside talking into

444
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: a mic and you could just hear that from the

445
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: speakers but not see who. You're not see who was speaking.

446
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: And then she would come out do half a dance

447
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: and then get so cold that you would go back

448
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: inside and you'd have to like chase her with dollar bill.

449
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: You just made me still nostalgic for how bad comedy

450
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: in queer spaces is. Oh my god, the chatty the

451
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: chatty girl in third grade energy of a queer comedy space.

452
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: One time there was a show at Jesus was still eleven. Then.

453
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, the point is is that, um, it

454
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: was like a great show. Karen Kilgarreff wanted to psychs

455
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: Margaret show like and the Gate Boys were so excited,

456
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: but they still couldn't understand to stop chit chatting with

457
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: each other the whole time. I'm like, honestly, what the

458
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: show needed was the strong hand of somebody who understood

459
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 1: queer spaces to be like, shut up, you're enjoying this,

460
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: just enjoy it. They didn't. And oh god, I needed

461
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: a Julie. Oh my god, what's her name, Judy? It

462
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: needed a Judy for sure. It needed a Judy, a

463
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: woman named Judy. Okay, no, I'm not thinking of Judy

464
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: gold God, I'm so stupid. Julie Claus. No, I don't

465
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: think I'm Julie Closter, but that Julie Goldman, Oh, Julie Goldman.

466
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm just like Julie Goldman. I once open for her

467
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: and boss, and she is someone who can come out

468
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 1: and like and and make you and be like, no,

469
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: this is we're here to laugh. Let's can everyone just

470
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: get get on with it. I would say gay boys

471
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: need a shepherd, like when there's a comedy show, gay

472
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: boys need a shepherd. And whatever you think of Bianca's comedy,

473
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: it is comedy that is built for people who are

474
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: chit chatting and trying to fuck while listening to jokes.

475
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: It is Shepherd comedy and I do want to add

476
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: the thing gay men in in queer comedy shows is

477
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: the following. Gay men don't understand what to do with

478
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: women who are not like Cape Blanchett and men who

479
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: they don't want to fuck, So when they are looking

480
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: at a stage and the people coming out are lesbians

481
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: and gay male comedians, they have no idea what to

482
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: do with that. There are only two kinds of gay

483
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: men who are allowed to be on raised surfaces at

484
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: gay bars, and that is people who are hotter than

485
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: you and uh, men with their genitals tucked inside of

486
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: themselves who are pretending to sing a song like it's

487
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: it and anything else. It is just why is it

488
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: not me up there? I'm very funny? That's also it. Yeah,

489
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, what do you think you think you're

490
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: you think you have overcome enough of your ship to

491
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: actually be on a stage and have people listen to you.

492
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Do you know what this is? I'll kill you. Wow.

493
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: I remember the absolute dread of having to do a

494
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: show at Metropolitan and being like, there's not a single

495
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: world in which this goes well, Like, there's a world

496
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: in which no one sees like people are literally too

497
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: focused on their conversation that they forget that I'm up there.

498
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: But there is not a world where anyone laughs. And

499
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: one of the one of the very dark truths of comedy,

500
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: especially in New York and l A is that, in fact,

501
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: progressive straight people are so much more supportive than anyone

502
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: on anywhere anywhere in the LGBT spectrum. I mean, and

503
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a fundamental problem in all of our

504
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: business plans. Is like the people who wouldn't should be

505
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: our fans. I mean. The thing is is Jewish girls

506
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: that you know, like like that I can be shouty

507
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: on their behalf. Is the closest thing I have to

508
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: having somebody be like, oh, this person is representing me

509
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: on stage, uh, you know like that, and very very

510
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: old game men who are just like somebody's talking. Yeah,

511
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I agree, which is why in fact, sometimes performing on

512
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: like a gay cruise for like older gay men is

513
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: actually like more enjoyable than performing at at a gay

514
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: bar for twenty year old gay men, you know. And

515
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's a coastal thing too. I've never

516
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: performed in say, a Midwestern gay bar. I've never Oh,

517
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: it's actually great. I've performed at gay spaces in for instance, Bloomington's, Indiana,

518
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: and I have absolutely crushed. Bloomington is such a delight. Also,

519
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the thing is is that I would also say that

520
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: like Brooklyn rooms, I like the best gay rooms that

521
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: there are. Like, I think that there are people with

522
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: actualized identities who are able to see something outside of themselves.

523
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Like maybe they are more judgmental if you boys, because

524
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: you are of their ilk, wearing adorable little shorts and

525
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: having like fun facial hair. But like I remember definitely

526
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: moments to feeling like there was an audience that was

527
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: over there ship enough to be able to listen to

528
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: me it's coming. And then random gay bar on the

529
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: West coast or somewhere else. Yes, I do think that's true. Okay, wait,

530
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: since we're talking about stand up, like, and I hate

531
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: to there's nothing um more tragic than comedians talking about

532
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: stand up on a podcast. But how is everyone feeling about?

533
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: What if we got into coffee? What if we got

534
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: into cars and had coffee? Hey, why not? I say,

535
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: we're queering comedians and cars having coffee exactly. George and

536
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I started watching Seinfeld. We love the stuff. Stam and

537
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: I actually columbus Seinfeld and are here to tell you

538
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, it's so good. Actually, right, why don't

539
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: people talk about this show? I interrupted, George. I'm sorry, no,

540
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: I just how are you feeling about getting about things

541
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: opening back up and everyone doing stand up for the

542
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: first time in a year. It's gonna be so weird

543
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: because there will have been no new children for like

544
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: over a year, and so the whole game is still

545
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: going to be filled up with us. I wonder what

546
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: open mics are going to be like. I also wonder

547
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: what people are going to have to say. The thing

548
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: is like I was in a very strange place about

549
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: stand up um since our former president was elected. I

550
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: was not moving forward, and you know, much like the

551
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: trying to watch a Sopranos, I am sort of using

552
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: these ending months as like, well, brand, I mean, if

553
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: you're going to do this, you have to start figuring

554
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: out some things to be talking. Yeah, I get very

555
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: anxious about it thinking about like the like I feel

556
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: like I like that stress dream a lot, where it's

557
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: like the first show like back, and it's like, oh no,

558
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: like what am I even gonna do? Like, how do

559
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: you even like? I can't It seems so foreign to

560
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: like remember like a set of jokes like that feels

561
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: insane and I cannot if I cannot do, I cannot

562
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: get on the stage and do jokes I wrote, I

563
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: mean three years ago that feeling like that feels like

564
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: that thought. But you're gonna have like I'm definitely going

565
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: to I'm definitely gonna have a few, I know. But

566
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: that's why I'm like I keeping like, hey, tomorrow, I'm

567
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: gonna start right, I'm gonna have I'm gonna spend the

568
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: next two months writing a new half hour, and then

569
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: when things reopen, I will be ready. The thing is

570
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: that I never right like I write when I am

571
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: regularly listening to stand up, I know, going and watching

572
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: people like other people. And the thing is is when

573
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: I watch it on television or anything, I'm just busy

574
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: being resentful of the success of the person in or

575
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: just hating them or hating it because so much of

576
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: it is terrible. Yeah, I do wish we could all

577
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: agree to like, like I hate how like psychotic um

578
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: stand Up comedians are or it's like like the lack

579
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: of not wanting to have like a healthy work life balance.

580
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,239
Speaker 1: They're like, no, it's like the more I can get up,

581
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 1: the better, the better better. And I'm like, can we

582
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 1: all just agree to like chill for a moment and

583
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: like embrace that we can all be around each other.

584
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I'm going to start doing shows

585
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: before I'm even allowed, Like I'm just going resilience, unwillingness

586
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: to do anything. But what they do is my favorite

587
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: thing about New York Club comics. Yes, that's what it is,

588
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: even even just a fucking panel show, even just a

589
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: fucking panel show. They're like, No, all I want to

590
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: do is tell the jokes that I tell, but not

591
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: just that, but then also thinking that is noble inherently

592
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: and thinking that it is somehow politically like important politically yes,

593
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: like being like, I refuse to do anything different than

594
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. What I'm doing now is kind

595
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: of like ten year old material about dating, and uh,

596
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, men be like this, women be like this,

597
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: And also this is literally the most politically important thing

598
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: I could do, and if you try to silence me,

599
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: that is fascist. Yes, I mean the notion that my

600
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: joke about fagots worked so well in two thousand six.

601
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: If it doesn't work now, it is because of a

602
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: slow march of like fascism that we need to be

603
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: worried about. To be fair, I've been watching a lot

604
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: of Seinfeld, and now I think it's true some men

605
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: do be like this, whereas women often be like that.

606
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: You know that is I do often think sometimes men

607
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: do be like this and women do be like that.

608
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,959
Speaker 1: Boys um to assuage some of my inner demons over

609
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: the weekend. Last weekend I watched all, to my knowledge,

610
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: all of the unaired pilots that are on YouTube, and

611
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: it was such a dazzling wasteland of people giving you

612
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: of a joke that they thought that they were supposed

613
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: to give you. Also, would you like to know how

614
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: many comic bookstores how to hot girl come and buy

615
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: something or come to work at them? A lot of

616
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: such a good idea? Yes it was? What was? I'm sorry?

617
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable saying kind of which one was

618
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: maybe your favorite release, favorite or one that's stuck out.

619
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure some of them are with people we know,

620
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: so I don't want you to know I mean the

621
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: fact that some of them fucking Jeffrey Joseph in a

622
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: pilot with a pre Murphy Brown, Faith Forward and Penelope

623
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: and Miller. One thing that was really interesting to watch

624
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: is I have never seen the film kiss Me Guido,

625
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: but CBS in the wake of Will and Grace attempted

626
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: to do a kiss Me video pilot with Jason Bateman

627
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: as the white gay because of course, in you know,

628
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: two thousand one, we couldn't cast a gay as gay.

629
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: But Alec Mamba plays the Jack role. And it is

630
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: like fun and it's just fun and delightful to watch.

631
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 1: And it's fun and delightful to think about these people

632
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: who booked a pilot and sometimes with like good big

633
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: names behind them and really thought things were going to happen,

634
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: and this, this one event is all that they got.

635
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: I always think about that with the you know how

636
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: they made the corrections into an HBO pilot, Oh No,

637
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Jonathan friends and it is it's

638
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Speaker 1: with oh no Ah Bomback, WHOA. So they made the

639
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Speaker 1: corrections into an HBO pilot directed by no Bomback, And

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Speaker 1: I know it was with I at least know that

641
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Speaker 1: you and McGregor was in it, because I heard him

642
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Speaker 1: talk about in an interview. But yeah, it's just like

643
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: they they stopped filming the pilot halfway through and then

644
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: it has never been seen or released. And this was

645
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: I know, and it's just like, you know, my own

646
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: personal taste or preferences aside. Like that is a perfect

647
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: equation of It's like, oh, you're taking a Jonathan friends

648
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: and book You're making into a Noah bomb back mini

649
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: series for HBO starring all A list actors. How could

650
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: it possibly be so disastrous that they're literally stopping it

651
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: halfway through and never picking it up again. I mean,

652
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: I have to imagine that part of that is regime

653
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: change at HBO, But it's honestly can't be enough. Some

654
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: ship had to have gone down. That's fascinating. I know

655
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Speaker 1: it's crazy, But have you guys seen clips from the

656
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Speaker 1: American ab fab who plays the two women? Wait, I'm

657
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Speaker 1: trying on and what's her name from Third Rock from

658
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Speaker 1: the Sun? Oh my god, Yes, I have seen clips

659
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Speaker 1: of it. Oh wow, yeah, so bizarre. But George, do

660
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Speaker 1: you know about the BB new Worth pilot that won

661
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Speaker 1: an Oscar? No? I had always assumed it was an

662
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: hour long. It's called Dear Diary. It's a single cam

663
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: from the early nineties, there was a fucking half hour

664
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Speaker 1: sitcom Pilight. It's not sitcoming. It is very sort of

665
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: like filming, but they just intro. They submitted it as

666
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Speaker 1: a short film and it won the Best Short Film Oscar.

667
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's crazy. Weird. Huh huh. I'm like, wait,

668
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: we've been going forever. Should we do our Oh funk?

669
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Speaker 1: We did into our first segment? Sure, went on? Sorry,

670
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: um okay, guy, our first segment. You know, well, okay,

671
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: we like to be free on this podcast. We like

672
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: to be unstructured in sort of just follow what happens

673
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, but there's a light structure we

674
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: like to follow. And then sometimes when we are genuinely

675
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: just like having a conversation, it feels insane to jump

676
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: back to it. But we have never not jumped back

677
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: to it, so it feels weird to skip it. But

678
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Speaker 1: this thank you for that, just saying I feel so

679
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Speaker 1: weird bringing this up right now. If one of the

680
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: most unnatural things we could do, I know, but you

681
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Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna get into it and it's gonna

682
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: be great. Guy, Our first segment is called straight Shooters,

683
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: and this is a segment where we test your familiar

684
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: with straight culture by asking you a series of rapid

685
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: fire questions where you have to pick one or the

686
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: other and you're not allowed to ask any follow up questions.

687
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: In your first question, is guy going to a fish

688
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: concert or going to a fish market? Fish market? Guy,

689
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Speaker 1: manifest destiny or taking the megabus to d C manifest destiny. Unfortunately,

690
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry guy, California's proper or Indiana's whole vibe. I'll

691
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: take California's props like we shut it down with our constitution.

692
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Speaker 1: We shut it down with those photo shoots where everyone said, no, hey,

693
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Speaker 1: hey girls, we shut it down. Um, Guy al o

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Speaker 1: Vera or Michael Sarah alo vera hundred percents having a

695
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Speaker 1: viral tweet. We're having one single unexpressed thought having a

696
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Speaker 1: viral twee. Okay, having a sharp wit, or having a

697
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Speaker 1: bubble butt, oh bubble But guy fantasizing about your wedding

698
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Speaker 1: ever since you were a little girl, or killing every

699
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Speaker 1: feminine part of you in order to survive as a

700
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Speaker 1: little boy, killing every feminine part of me to survive. Okay, guy, Um,

701
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Speaker 1: being a gay guy who was proud to not watch

702
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Speaker 1: drag Race, being a gay guy who was proud to

703
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Speaker 1: not watch Real Housewives, or being a gay guy who

704
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: was proud of nothing and only feels shamed, Being a

705
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: gay guy who's proud of nothing and only feels shamed. Yes,

706
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: representation matters. Um. Wow, I think I did great one doves. Wow,

707
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Speaker 1: I have to say it actually helped me. That actually

708
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Speaker 1: helped me too. And I also realized the only place, sorry,

709
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Speaker 1: the only place my psychotic energy today was positive is

710
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: in writing these because as I was reading back and

711
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I really put all my trauma

712
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: into write this writing project of writing four straight shooters,

713
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: and this is some of the best writing I've done

714
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: this week. I really feel like the maybe I'm wrong,

715
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just like like secluding myself, that I feel

716
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: like the gay guys who are proud of themselves for

717
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Speaker 1: not watching drag Race or Housewives has is just like

718
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: withering and going. I feel like it's it's all been

719
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: replaced by socialism. Yes, yeah, there's still like, um, you know,

720
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: small factions out there. Um, but yeah, I think it's

721
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: lessening for sure, it's becoming unpopular today. I mean, you know,

722
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Speaker 1: it would be nice is if there was. Actually, it

723
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: feels like it's so difficult with cult with the Internet

724
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: to kind of be part of any counterculture, Like everything

725
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: is pop culture and so it's very It's like, I

726
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm conflicted about this because on the one hand,

727
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, drag race is so fun. On the other hand,

728
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Speaker 1: it would be nice if there was a world in

729
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Speaker 1: which it didn't dominate all of drag nationally and internationally. Yes,

730
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Speaker 1: you know, George, not to sound like read's book once,

731
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: but um, actually you know this book I read today, Um,

732
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: don't just with that sort of really the mono culture

733
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: of internet and how we all are washed together and

734
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: there's too many opinions and we have to go to

735
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator of stuff. Well, on the one hand,

736
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: there is no monoculture anymore because everything is kind of

737
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: like it's like everything that could possibly exist is immediately

738
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: uh stolen, marketed and sold back to people, and everyone

739
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: is in their own little niche and engaged in their

740
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: own little niche debates. But on the other hand, there

741
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: is one big monoculture, which is just vaguely Internet pop culture. Well,

742
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: there's the weird way, like niches from ten years ago

743
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: are now titans because there are things that we can

744
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: still go to where things of now. I mean, it's

745
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: just a lot of streaming services you've got, I know,

746
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: it's NonStop. Also, we've gotten to the point where I'm

747
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: starting to be I know that rebooting things is like whatever,

748
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's not even interesting to comment on anymore.

749
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: But we're now rebooting like things that were never successful

750
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: or popular to be Yeah, well know that the comfort

751
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: that they've taken that I was just being like, oh

752
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: they want some more mad about yous um? I truly

753
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: don't understand. Can I offer you the loan counterculture we

754
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: still have? Yes, it's Emily in Paris is self doubt.

755
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: Those moments when Emily in Paris is actively wondering am

756
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: I fitting in here? Do the people here like me? Like?

757
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: That is something that is pushing against the dominance and

758
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: it's what we have that's true. There is one part

759
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: of Emily in Paris where she says something along the

760
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: lines of like, oh God, It's like someone says something

761
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: in French and then someone and then Emily understands it

762
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: like he thinks she doesn't understand it, but she does

763
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: and what he and she goes, Oh, you just said

764
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm pretty but have no personality. Huh. It's like something

765
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: along those lines, and as the audience, you're supposed to

766
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: be on her side rather than being like, yes, like,

767
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the entire premise of the show is that you are

768
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: pretty and have no versonity. The entire the narrative arc

769
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: of the show is that you're kind of owning that.

770
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: It literally being like, yeah, I don't give a funk

771
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: if you guys have culture here or if you're like

772
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: a really hot, chic older woman that I work with,

773
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm here to do mattress ads in the middle of

774
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: the loop. Yeah. Yeah, learning that like when you water

775
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: down what that premise is, it's Emily is trying to

776
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: colonize France. Um well, and also that like your dream

777
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: is no longer and Carrie Bradshaw and dreams no longer.

778
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: I'm an actress or a writer, the dream is marketing exactly. Know,

779
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: You're so right, guy, It really that is that is

780
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: the saddest thing of all is like you hear young

781
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: people um regurgitating literally like marketingly, Like you know, what's

782
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: really upsetting is when people call themselves content creators. I'm

783
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: just gonna bring that up. I was literally just gonna

784
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: bring that up. Like content used to be like a

785
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: dirty word, and we kind of like know it was

786
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: a dirty word, and now like people use it like lovingly,

787
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: like it's like I love your content, like not just

788
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: happening people Like, as a queer content creator, I need

789
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: to hold space. We all know this is a bad word, right,

790
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Like this sucks. I'm like, this is too we're all

791
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: being too real. Guy, normally we're funny. I swear a guy,

792
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: as a queer content creator, what kind of content do

793
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: you wish you could see more of? I have been

794
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: like absent from the creation of content, and I am

795
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: withholding to myself. I am in this apartment and as

796
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: little as possible he's leaving. I love that that's taking

797
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: up space. God, no, you're so right though. That Literally

798
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: the artistic dream is to work in marketing for yourself.

799
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: It's disgusting. It's the numbers based society now, it's disgusting.

800
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: We're at zero one zero one zero zero one ones.

801
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: You go out there, you go out there in the

802
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: clubs and you meet young people and they look at

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00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: you and say zero zero, one, one, Yeah, what are

804
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: what are your numbers? What are your stats? And I say, hey,

805
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: my stats are human yeah, and I say, yeah, I

806
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: wrote a poem and they say, what's okay, what is

807
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: it for? Hymns? Yeah? Exactly, disgusting, disgust. Fuck, should you

808
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: get into our topic? Yeah? Okay, I mean I don't know.

809
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I think we have you know, I think the topic honestly,

810
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: I think it relates to so much because in many ways,

811
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: everyone is constantly participating in various role playing games. Yes, um, guy,

812
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: you you brought us, um many many topics, but the

813
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: one we decided on today was table top role playing games.

814
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: S your pencil and paper role playing games. Now, guys,

815
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: why would you want to put us through the experience

816
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: of talking about table top role playing games? Because straight

817
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: people have deficits incapacity for which we should not judge them.

818
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: We should embrace their efforts to move beyond them. And yes,

819
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: straight people are allowed to live, particularly straight men live

820
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: in the fiction of a unified identity like live in

821
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: the fiction of a fixed self, and tabletop role playing

822
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: games are their attempts to push back at those boundaries. Um,

823
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: but with a number of strictures that make them feel

824
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: more comfortable. Basically, tabletop role playing games are musical theater

825
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: for straight men, but instead of songs breaking up at

826
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: the moments of heightened experience, instead of going to song,

827
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: they go to math. They go to a system of

828
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: random number generators and then um long mathematical calculations that

829
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: allow them to discover whether their dreams within this imagined

830
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 1: space will come true. Things that a gay child would

831
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: be able to do with simply a meadow or his

832
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: mom's tampon. They require several books of rules and then

833
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: some dice and um and like accounting. Right, it's like

834
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: escaping via more rules. Yes, it's the opposite of the

835
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: g of the queer experience, where it's just like, oh no,

836
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: everything is so rigid. I wish I could liberate myself.

837
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: They're like, oh god, the world is too nuanced. We

838
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: have to be you know, I wish I was a warlock. Yes, okay.

839
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: The thing that amazes me most about people like when

840
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: straight guys play role playing games and they're a fighter.

841
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm always like, you could just go get an act

842
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: in real life, Like you don't even want to be

843
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: able to like cast a spell or turn into a

844
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: weara wolf. You just want to do this. But I

845
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: think that there's a straight hunger for orth practice. There's

846
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: a straight hunger to know that you're doing things correctly

847
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: and with the boundaries that have been established. UM and

848
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: sort of more structureless creative play could leave them in

849
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: a place of uncertainty. They could get psychological the bends,

850
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: as it were. Mm hmmmm. You know this brings up

851
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: a good point of like doing things in imagination that

852
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: you could just do in real life. I feel this

853
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: way about um, Pokemon the video game a lot where

854
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: it's like, wait a minute, like these exist. They're just animals.

855
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Like you could go bird watch for the day and

856
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the same thing. Like, yes, they don't

857
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: fight each other afterwards. But I did not expect you

858
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: to come out in favor of bird watching them. I

859
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 1: guess it was a Jonathan friends and talk that really

860
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: got you there. Not to be read's book once, but

861
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: you're now going to get into bird watching this book

862
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: I read. You know, she really made bird watching something.

863
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: She loves bird watching. Think I knew that. Wait, Okay,

864
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: along these lines, I do want to say, also, there's

865
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: this desire to like relate to a to something outside

866
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: of yourself, which normally one could do with like let's

867
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: say literature, rather than create. It's like you don't have

868
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: to create a character that is your persona and you

869
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: and have just just read something or watch something, and

870
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: you can kind of go between different people's subjectivities. That's

871
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: very interesting. I never thought about tabletop role playing games

872
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: that way, but they really are just battling Mary sus. Yeah,

873
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: god no, it is um devastating. And I also do think.

874
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Gay Believeman has that joke where

875
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 1: he's talking about game of It's about the genre of fantasy,

876
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, everyone knows the fantasy, you know, the fantasy,

877
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Like everything in the genre fantasy looks the same. It's

878
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: like vaguely medieval, and then there are like and then

879
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: there just is anal sex and also the kind of

880
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: power dynamics of the patriarch and just recreate themselves despite

881
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a fantasy also a medieval world

882
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: that's wider than the actual medieval world. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

883
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Have either of you participated in a tabletop role playing game.

884
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: I've been closed. What is close mean? Close means you know,

885
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: I was in middle school, and I remember, like if

886
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: you hang out with sort of the video gaming kids,

887
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: you like there's like, like, you know, I I got

888
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: like a Magic the Gathering card set. For a second,

889
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: like I was like, Okay, what am I going to

890
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: get into at this age of like ten and moving forward? Uh?

891
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: And there was like my older friend who's you know,

892
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: one year older than me. He was getting since Dragons

893
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: and he was really selling it. And I was like,

894
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: you know what, I do want to do this, Uh,

895
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: let me know when you're ready. And then it just

896
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: never happened. And I really think I dodged a bullet

897
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: because I would have gone all in. Huh. My commitment

898
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: to queering spaces was present over a decade before I

899
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: ever kissed a man. UM. So I took this situation

900
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: where straight guy socially socialized with each other and fantasized

901
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: within uh structured boundaries, UM, and I made it queer

902
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: by not involving anyone else in In my practice, it

903
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: was role playing game on an is UM. I got

904
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: the books for Middle Earth role playing Game, read them

905
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: and spent all of my time. Like I remember at

906
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: the end of football season, I would just like sigh

907
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: and be like there are three hours to sit in

908
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: my room and just like like draw castles and come

909
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: up with stats for fictitious characters, and that would just

910
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: carry me on through Christmas. Um. So it wasn't until

911
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: I was like in Los Angeles that I ever got

912
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: to play Dungeons Dragons game and I loved it. And

913
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: then our our friend Jared Logan comedian Jared Logan, he

914
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: during quarantine has been running games um on Twitch, uh,

915
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: through this thing called Stream of Blood, and he does

916
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: not do Dungeons and Dragons. He does a call of

917
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Cthulu Blazed game which was sort of like nineteen century Um.

918
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: You know, some sort of mysterious horror is going on

919
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: and you have to investigate it. And I have been

920
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: playing as Lady Hypitia Montague Bartlett mob Um and really

921
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: just having a journey in a great time. It's everything

922
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: I wanted when I was fifteen come true some thirty

923
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: years later. I did not expect the twist of you

924
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: actually being very into tabletop role playing. The way you

925
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: were talking about it before was with such scorn that

926
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: I thought, there's no way he's gotten even close to this.

927
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: Uh magic, Um, Well you're all in, didn't you? Just

928
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: ask me gaye who pretend they don't like dungeons, dragon

929
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: or gays who pretend they don't like dragons, gays who

930
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: pretend they don't like real housewives, or gays who have

931
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: pride and nothing. Um, that's right, correct. I It's like

932
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: it's so much fun and it is something um that

933
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: it is interestingly queer. Well, being so rooted in straight culture,

934
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, I mean alternative worlds are queer,

935
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: of course, but but there is this way that they

936
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: cling to their own identity, Like I am one of

937
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: the only people, one of the only men who plays

938
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: across gender, um, like JACKU cation played as a man,

939
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 1: but everybody else is just sort of like who do

940
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: I want to be? Is so fixed with these constraints

941
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: of like a slightly different kind of straight guyt um

942
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: that it's charming, but it like, well, it's it's rooted

943
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: in like self improvement rather than drag. It's like people

944
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: are looking for better, people are looking for like more

945
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: acceptable versions of themselves rather than wanting to escape their

946
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: identity altogether. And there's also this way when I was

947
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, one of the things that's

948
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: interesting is that, um, it separates mind from body in

949
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: a way that I think, like I have an unmasterable

950
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: fat body that I never felt capable of, sort of

951
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: like constraining or controlling in a way that I think

952
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: is deeply queer to integrate control and modification of your

953
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: body with exploration of other identities and for me having

954
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: it be a strictly sort of academic game. Um, some

955
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: could call it straight. Some could simply call it the E. M.

956
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Forster side of gay. Wow. I've also never really understood

957
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: how these games work in the sense that there's like

958
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: like the person in charge, like the person leading the

959
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: dungeon master, if you will, kind of just like like

960
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: there aren't rules for them, right, they can kind of

961
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: just do whatever. I mean, they are constrained by the

962
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 1: rules of how interactions will work, like who's stronger like dungeons,

963
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: and like the thing is is whether play is oriented

964
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: towards we are constantly fighting and we are constantly using

965
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: these statistical rules, or whether it is a more open

966
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: sort of Oh, I have answered away, I have answered

967
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: a problem in a way you didn't think about until now.

968
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: But can you, as an operating human being like received

969
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: that a video game doesn't have possibility for that. I

970
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: will say that like tabletop role playing games are queer

971
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: in that they are a game night and like a rare,

972
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: very tentative forum for straight men to host parties beta

973
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: straight men um to host parties, which doesn't go um.

974
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: But for example, so there was a situation in a

975
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: game where essentially to stop this big bad god um,

976
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: one needed a piece of lead or something with lead

977
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: to write something on and then drop it in a

978
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: certain situation. Now, a lot of people would have just gone, oh,

979
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: let me roll to see if I remember to bring

980
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: something that was lead or something like that. And I was, like,

981
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm a woman in the nineteenth century. My face powder

982
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: has a lot of lead in it. Can I use that?

983
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: And I had a wonderful dungeon master who was able

984
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 1: to like react in that moment to that, and like,

985
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: it is improv for dorks, and I love it improv

986
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: for dorks, implying that improv, of course, is for the

987
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: jocks on the cool sort of punk rock like all right,

988
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: let me restate, um, it is improval for the sad er. Yeah,

989
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: are you boys uncomfortable that I expressed appreciation for something

990
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be simply derisive towards Um, do

991
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: we not understand the like, are we discomforted by camp? No,

992
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: we're not. Just look I'm you know, I'm wearing a

993
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Sam Wise Gambee T shirt. Things. Uh. You know a

994
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: previous killer of this podcast was don't it's bad to

995
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: like anything? Um? It shows weakness, um and is tasteless.

996
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: But you know, I think what you're doing is extremely brave. Uh.

997
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't see it going this way. No, I

998
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: think I love it. And I also think, you know,

999
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: we have to be if we're comfortable with uncertainty, and

1000
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: if we are deriding others for needing a set of

1001
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: rulestistic by then we certainly need to be comfortable with

1002
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: having a kind of like an expansive definition of of

1003
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: what of what our attitude towards the topic must be.

1004
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: And I also want to say, a guy, um, famously,

1005
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: you have articulated once one of my favorite definitions of camp,

1006
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: which is to pretend to do something as you do it.

1007
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: And I do think I'm sorry to say, and Sam,

1008
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: I hope you'll agree that our attitude with this podcast

1009
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: is very much pretending to do it as we do. Yeah,

1010
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: that's what it is, and once Guy articulated that, um

1011
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: it really, I've never looked back and I that is

1012
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: that is the kind of ethos with which I approach

1013
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: all of my work. Wow, well that was insane. When

1014
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: you put it so simply, it makes it almost feel

1015
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: an original. Uh you know, I've always felt felt like

1016
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: we were doing something sort of new and fun by

1017
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: both pretending to host a podcast, making fun of hosting

1018
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: a podcast and hosting a podcast, whereas in fact we

1019
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: were actually doing camp. We were just which is almost

1020
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: sort of a simple gay approach. Can I have a

1021
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: brief aside to say, I'm working on a show where

1022
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: we're auditioning ten year olds and little ten year old

1023
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: girls and they have to say, are you teaching me

1024
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: what camp is? Again? And so clearly all of their

1025
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: mothers have tried to explain to them that they need

1026
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: to uh parenthesize put in quotes the idea of camp.

1027
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: That literally, no little girl has said it without stopping

1028
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: full stop after the word camp and then re beginning

1029
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: her sentence. And then finally there was a little girl

1030
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: who went, are you teaching us what camp is? Again?

1031
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, she punched it with her eyes

1032
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: just high her o. God, God, it's so nice to

1033
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: be in a place where I hear the word, where

1034
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: the sentence where auditioning ten year old girls, And immediately

1035
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm like can I audition? And I'm like wait, I'm like,

1036
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, why didn't you reach out to me?

1037
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: It's because my agent quid. I think it's so messed

1038
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: up that we use actual child actors. It should obviously

1039
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: be thirty something gay men and sort of child drag.

1040
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: I do think specifically for child actors it should be

1041
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: gay men in child drag. I mean Spanish language television

1042
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: for a very long time would just put a thirty

1043
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: seven year old man in a long curly wig, give

1044
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: him a lollipop and be like, go for it. It

1045
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: is just it's such an indictment of the lack of

1046
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: imagination in general across the board, um in Western culture

1047
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: that like we just expect the actors to look like

1048
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: the characters. No one can be like, yes, we're gonna

1049
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: cast you know, um be being your worth as um

1050
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: A very kind of like sexy cat. What would or

1051
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: to love it? When you go off on Western culture,

1052
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: Thank god, we're gonna say, oh, just I'm sorry, We've

1053
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: had the most non naturalistic apartments for the past thirty years. Yeah,

1054
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: just do that with people. Do it with people. Why

1055
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: isn't Carrie Bradshaw played by Clive Owen imagination unbelievable? Also,

1056
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: you know Read's book once, Oh God, here we go again.

1057
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: There was a point in this book where she literally

1058
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Speaker 1: was like, um, and then it hit me and I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, you were sitting at a computer and

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Speaker 1: literally like Carrie Bradshaw wrote like and then it hit me,

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Speaker 1: like how can you have a self awareness and do that?

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Speaker 1: But you know she's too focused on unplugging that she

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01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: forgot to watch all of Sex and the City. I

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Speaker 1: would also say there's great beauty to lack of self

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Speaker 1: awareness and the problem with Clive Owen playing Carry Bradshaw

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Speaker 1: as he would be half acidly going look at me

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Speaker 1: and playing Carry Bradshaw the whole time. And we need

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Speaker 1: more lady who wrote that book that you read to

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Speaker 1: just be able to like flow into it and not

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Speaker 1: question themselves and commit Yeah, I definitely, you know, when

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Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier, I think we should definitely

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Speaker 1: have more non actors be acting now. That's what I

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Speaker 1: want to see. I agree, I agree I think it's

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Speaker 1: like boring. It's like the same ashen people are good

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Speaker 1: at singing. It puts me to sleep. Let's I mean

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Speaker 1: I have to say, Yeah, I was just gonna say,

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Speaker 1: let's nomad land of Multicam. I was literally yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: literally thinking like something along those lines, like get all

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Speaker 1: those nomads. Yes, they gave heartbreaking performances along Francis McDormand.

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Speaker 1: But what if they are the stars of ABC's Mom's

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Speaker 1: Not Coming Home Today? Well, we should do our final steg.

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Speaker 1: We should do our final segment. I mean, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, I don't have anything ready to use. Sam, Well,

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Speaker 1: of course not. But that's what's so beautiful about this segment.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take it anyway. So so the final

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Speaker 1: segment Guy is called UM shout Outs, and it is

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Speaker 1: where we pay homage to one of the classic elements

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Speaker 1: of straight culture, which is the radio shout out Think

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Speaker 1: TRL in the early two thousands, thinks Z one and

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Speaker 1: and Sam, do you want to give it a shot? Wait,

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Speaker 1: but you said you had one. Oh fine, well okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: what's up, listeners? So my original shout out was to

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Speaker 1: the idea of being normal, because I've been noticing that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have been acting not normal lately,

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Speaker 1: and I actually think I see where you're coming from.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting to be different, but I also think

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Speaker 1: it's very useful to start at a baseline of normal,

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Speaker 1: so that then you can kind of build a personality

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Speaker 1: on top of that. And what I've been seeing recently

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Speaker 1: is people just being completely unhinged on purpose as a

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Speaker 1: replacement for a personality, and I think that that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: So my shout out is to the idea of being normal,

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Speaker 1: or at least attempting to build a groundwork on which

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Speaker 1: to build your lack of normality. Um um, okay, what's up, listeners.

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Speaker 1: I may have those shouts this before, but it bears

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Speaker 1: repeating because it happens. You know, It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: Hayley's comment, it's once every I don't know, seventy something.

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Speaker 1: How often does that thing come? Uh seventy something years? Um.

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Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to that feeling

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Speaker 1: when you finish a book. Baby, that's right, she's still

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Speaker 1: got it. I can focus for that long. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: started this book in July. Yes, I put it down

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Speaker 1: for a long time. But you know what, I got

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Speaker 1: another book, and I said, well, I can't start it

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Speaker 1: until I finished that old one. And so I finished

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Speaker 1: the old one much much later. I'm the smartest person alive.

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Speaker 1: No one can even come close. Who I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I you've inspired me to now actually read this book

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Speaker 1: next after I finished my book of short stories by

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Speaker 1: Debra Eisenberg. Yeah. Well, once you finish it, you know

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Speaker 1: kind of started. Um, okay, guy, whenever you're ready, I

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Speaker 1: do a shout out. Yeah, yeah, Hey guys, I just

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Speaker 1: want to do a shout out to my good friend

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Speaker 1: famous people's children. This has been such a big year

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Speaker 1: for a famous They are killing it. They are getting

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Speaker 1: casting TV shows, they are getting their pilots. Greenland say,

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Speaker 1: keep destroying twenty one famous people's children. Yes, go Cazzie. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was incredible. They are our nation's royalty and I

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Speaker 1: love them for that. Me to I mean talk about

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Speaker 1: I mean Emily in Paris. She's Folk Collins's daughter and

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Speaker 1: we love her for it, and we love her for it.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, she wouldn't be asked talented if

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Speaker 1: she was someone random's daughter. Imagine if she was the

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Speaker 1: mold remediator's daughter. I don't think she'd be an Emily

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Speaker 1: in Paris. Let's just say that, all right. But The

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Speaker 1: Mold Remediate Daughter sounds like the most incredibly moving book

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Speaker 1: I've ever read. And you know, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: already being you know, it's already being developed into a

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Speaker 1: mini series starring in Nette Benning as the molder mediator's

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Speaker 1: widow who's raising the doctor alone. Oh my god, so badly. Wait,

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Speaker 1: maybe that would be maybe that would finally be in

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Speaker 1: that Bendings. And you know what, I take it back.

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Speaker 1: It's not a mini series. It's a movie because she

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Speaker 1: needs an oscar um and surprise, the daughter is, in

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Speaker 1: fact um Emily embarrass Oh my god, Okay, we simply

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Speaker 1: must wrap up. We must wrap up. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for doing this. What a tree? Thank you truly,

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Speaker 1: what are really appreciate it