WEBVTT - Slipknot: Death, Destruction, and Des Moines

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<v Speaker 1>Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>story about death, the smell of it, the feel of it,

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<v Speaker 1>the finality of it. It's a story about being bored

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<v Speaker 1>to death, about being beaten to death. It's about sudden

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<v Speaker 1>death and a death by a thousand cuts. Most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a story about death metal. Because this is also

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a band. A band whose music was

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<v Speaker 1>so dark that one of their members quit rather than

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<v Speaker 1>risk eternal damnation. A band whose live shows were so

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<v Speaker 1>intense they nearly left one band member dead. A band

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<v Speaker 1>whose music was so disturbing, so evil, that some would

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<v Speaker 1>say it led to immer. This is the story of

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<v Speaker 1>slipknot the most extreme thing to come out of Iowa

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<v Speaker 1>since the taco pizza was invented there in nineteen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 1>a band known for their stage mass as much as

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<v Speaker 1>their music. Great music, unlike that loop I played for

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<v Speaker 1>you at the top of the show. That wasn't great music.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a preset loop from my melotron called ozembic

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<v Speaker 1>Face MK one. I played you that loop because I

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<v Speaker 1>can't afford the rights to get Busy by Sean Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>And why would I play you that specific slice of

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<v Speaker 1>Down in Dirty Cheese. Could I afford it? Because that

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<v Speaker 1>was the number one song in America on May twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three, And that was the day too

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<v Speaker 1>California teenagers committed a brutal murder, a murder they claimed

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<v Speaker 1>was inspired by slip Knot on this episode Death Metal

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<v Speaker 1>down in Dirty Cheese. In the dark world of slip Knot,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jake Brennan, and.

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<v Speaker 2>This this disgraceland.

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<v Speaker 1>He was screaming as he hit the water. Instantly he

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<v Speaker 1>knew he made a terrible mistake. The water was swirling

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<v Speaker 1>all around him, flooding into his mouth and filling his

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<v Speaker 1>throat and pushing into his lungs. Panicking, he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>his arms free, but they were pinned tightly to his side.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't move them an inch. As his body sunk

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<v Speaker 1>deeper and deeper into the murky water. His legs were

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<v Speaker 1>in the air. Kicking frantically, he prayed that someone, anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>would help him, but no one noticed, or if they did,

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<v Speaker 1>they were probably laughing. He was a clown, after all, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he was wearing a clown mask. At least the man

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<v Speaker 1>currently drowning in a metal barrel was Sean Kran aka

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<v Speaker 1>Number six aka Clown, the founder of Slipknot, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was about to die tragically choking to death in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches of water, stuck upside down in a trash can

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<v Speaker 1>in front of thousands of metal heads at oz Fest

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine. That summer, the band broke out on

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<v Speaker 1>their first nationwide tour as part of the oz Fest lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>Among bands like Slayer, Godsmack, and System of a Down,

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<v Speaker 1>slip Knot stood out first. There were the sheer numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>There were nine of them, like some kind of heavy

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<v Speaker 1>metal wu tank clan. Then there was the way they

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<v Speaker 1>looked like nine psychos wearing matching jumpsuits and creepy rubber

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<v Speaker 1>masks covering their faces. But none of that would have

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<v Speaker 1>mattered if this band didn't bring it on stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what they did. Their sound was massive, multiple percussionists, singers,

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<v Speaker 1>a DJ, a sampler, two guitars in a big, driving

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<v Speaker 1>rhythm section, and they played with sheer force, brutal force.

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<v Speaker 1>The band leaped around the stage like animals, jumping onto

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<v Speaker 1>and over each other, leaping into the crowd and routinely

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<v Speaker 1>pushing themselves until they left blood, puke, or any number

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<v Speaker 1>of other bodily fluids dripping from their masks. By the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the show. As clown Sean Kran pushed it

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<v Speaker 1>further than anyone. A whole cow's heads for the butcher

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<v Speaker 1>and toss them on stage or into the crowd. He

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<v Speaker 1>stuffed dead birds into jars and left under rot so

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<v Speaker 1>the band could get the smell of death on them

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<v Speaker 1>before a show, just like Mayhem did back in Norway.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early days of black metal, Kran from Slipknot

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<v Speaker 1>would do anything to work the crowd into a frenzy

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<v Speaker 1>what it became his time in the late nineties, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it looked like he was going to pay the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate price. The trash can stunt was one of his

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<v Speaker 1>usual moves. He would find a trash can near the stage,

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<v Speaker 1>dive into it, and go rolling into the marsh pin

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<v Speaker 1>causing mayhem. It always made the crowd go crazy, Only

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<v Speaker 1>this time, when he jumped face first into the barrel,

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<v Speaker 1>it was half full of water. Whatever disgusting liquid might

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<v Speaker 1>be floating around inside an oz Fest trash can. Kran's

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<v Speaker 1>entire face was underwater, his arms were stuck tight in darkness,

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<v Speaker 1>was gathering all around him see black rings in the

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<v Speaker 1>corner of his vision, and they were growing larger and larger.

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<v Speaker 1>His legs quick kicking, preparing for the inevitable, and he

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<v Speaker 1>hoped that dying at Ozfest would at least make him

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<v Speaker 1>a legend. And just when he was on the verge

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<v Speaker 1>of blacking out, the crowd surged forward and someone slammed

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<v Speaker 1>into the barrel and tipped it over. Water went pouring everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and Sean Kran finally crawled free, gasping for breath and

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<v Speaker 1>puking up muthfuls of the foul smelling water. After a

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<v Speaker 1>few seconds to catch his breath, he jumped to his

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<v Speaker 1>feet and sprinted back to the stage, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>no time to recover. He started pounding on a metal

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<v Speaker 1>beer keg as the next song kicked in. It was

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<v Speaker 1>all in the day's work for one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>metal bands in America. Four years before that, when Kran

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into an empty gas station parking lot in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the night, it would have been impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that it would lead here. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those cold des Moines Knights nineteen ninety five, A pair

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty something metal heads pushed their way into an

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<v Speaker 1>empty Sinclair gas station. Fluorescent lights hummed over her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Sean looked around the empty store, at the aisles of candy,

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<v Speaker 1>beer and porno magazines, and standing beside him was a

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<v Speaker 1>friend and fellow musician, Paul Gray. Paul nodded at the

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<v Speaker 1>short teenager with the long hair working the counter, and

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<v Speaker 1>they bumped fists with a grin. That was how Paul was.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knew him in Des Moines, and everybody loved him,

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<v Speaker 1>including the guy behind the counter. His name was Joey Jordison,

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<v Speaker 1>and although he was only five to three, he was

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<v Speaker 1>a ferocious drummer, and Paul thought he would be the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect addition to the new metal band they were putting

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<v Speaker 1>together because Paul lived and breathed metal, unlike Sean. As

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, Sean was into punk. He loved that it

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<v Speaker 1>had something to say and the way the music raged

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<v Speaker 1>against bigotry and conformity. Inequality. Metal to Sean was nothing

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<v Speaker 1>more than the hair spray bands that could play it

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<v Speaker 1>on MTV, bands like Warrant and Poison. But Paul showed

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<v Speaker 1>him a different side of heavy metal music that was raw,

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<v Speaker 1>angry music with a message. Soon Sean was slamming around

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<v Speaker 1>to bands like Cannibal Corpse and Morbid Angel. He and

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<v Speaker 1>Paul were determined to invade the de Moi metal scene

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<v Speaker 1>with a band every bit as heavy, over the top

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<v Speaker 1>and outrageous as their heroes, and once Joey, the little

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<v Speaker 1>dude behind the counter, agreed to join them on drums,

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces slowly began to come together. It was Joey

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<v Speaker 1>who suggested that they named the band slip Knot, after

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<v Speaker 1>a song they had been working out with the same name,

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<v Speaker 1>and not long after, Sean wore a creepy clown mask

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<v Speaker 1>he bought at a Halloween start a band practice as

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<v Speaker 1>a joke, but there was something so sinister that the

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<v Speaker 1>idea stuck, and soon everyone had a mask and a

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<v Speaker 1>number in place of their name. It was so dark,

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<v Speaker 1>so disturbing, and it was perfect too, because right from

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<v Speaker 1>the start the music a slip Knot with some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most dark and disturbing music anyone in Iowa had

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard. It was so dark that, even though there

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<v Speaker 1>were filling clubs, they still couldn't find even a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little indie label willing to take on the band. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so dark that the band's first guitarist Donnie Steele,

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<v Speaker 1>a practicing Christian, quit the band rather than subject himself

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<v Speaker 1>to that kind of darkness. Not that Sean cared if

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<v Speaker 1>he was running people off. He figured their music might

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<v Speaker 1>be touching a nerve. Besides, when he looked out into

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd and saw massive kids writhing to the music

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<v Speaker 1>like maggots. The fact, that's when he nicknamed their fans

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<v Speaker 1>the maggots. He didn't think it was dark at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Darkness was already out there in the world, and people

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<v Speaker 1>needed something to release that darkness inside of them, something

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<v Speaker 1>to vent their frustrations, and that was the beauty of

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy metal show. The kids in the crowd went

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<v Speaker 1>nuts on each other for two hours, but they left

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<v Speaker 1>that darkness behind and then they went home in peace.

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<v Speaker 1>At least that's what Sean tried to explain Donnie. Placing

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie on guitar, though, didn't worry Sean, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>the easy part. Who worried him was that, after the

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<v Speaker 1>band spent forty grand of their own money to record

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<v Speaker 1>a proper demo, he could hear that their sound wasn't right. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>the sound was big, but it needed to be bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also missing something for all the grunting, growling

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<v Speaker 1>and unhinged screaming. Sometimes they just needed someone who could

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<v Speaker 1>well sing, just that tiny bit of sugar to help

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<v Speaker 1>all the darkness go down. Because they had fans, every

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<v Speaker 1>show seemed to bring out more and more than maggots,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had an image, and they had the drive.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they're ever going to break out of.

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<v Speaker 3>Des Moines, they're gonna need a new lead singer.

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<v Speaker 1>The smell of death was everywhere. Sure, maybe not to

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<v Speaker 1>a human, but the rats, they could smell it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were closing in from the shadows. They crept closer,

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<v Speaker 1>scurrying through the parking lot, trailing the scent, past gas

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<v Speaker 1>pumps and around piles of old tires. People think of

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<v Speaker 1>rats as a city problem, but the truth is that

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<v Speaker 1>they multiply everywhere. Rural areas mean farmland, and farmland means food,

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<v Speaker 1>and food means survival. Of course, country rats don't have

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<v Speaker 1>it quite as easy as rats in the city. While

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<v Speaker 1>you might catch a New York City rat dragging the

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<v Speaker 1>size of pepperoni pizza across the subway platform in Waterloo, Iowa,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty eight, these rats had to scratch and

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<v Speaker 1>claw and kill each other just to stay alive. So

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<v Speaker 1>when the smell of fresh death hit their noses, they

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<v Speaker 1>knew they would have to act fast. There would be competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the boldest rats weren't going to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>death to overtake the body lying in the dumpster. The

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<v Speaker 1>smell of blood was driving them into a frenzy, so

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<v Speaker 1>they began to climb onto the dumpster and they tested

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<v Speaker 1>the lids, and their claws made a tapping noise as

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<v Speaker 1>they scurried across a thick black plastic looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>way in. Suddenly the lid flew open, sending rats flying

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<v Speaker 1>in every direction. A fifteen year old Corey Taylor sat

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<v Speaker 1>up with a shot. He let out a blood curdling scream,

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<v Speaker 1>and speaking of blood, he was everywhere soaked into his

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<v Speaker 1>t shirt, caked onto his nose, covering his lips, and

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<v Speaker 1>his shoes were missing. He had no idea what day

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<v Speaker 1>it was, He had no idea where he was. All

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<v Speaker 1>he knew who said his friends, his so called friends,

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<v Speaker 1>had left him for dead, Not that he was too surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he was only fifteen years old, he was

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<v Speaker 1>already living like somebody on borrow time. First, there was

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<v Speaker 1>his birthdate, December eighth. The date was seriously cursed. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison born on December eighth died. Young Sam Kinnison born

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<v Speaker 1>on December eighth died. Young Frank Sinatra Junior kidnapped on

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<v Speaker 1>December eighth. John Lennon shot on December eighth. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>that Vince Neil car crash where he killed the guy

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<v Speaker 1>from Hanoi Rocks. Want to guess what day that happened on?

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<v Speaker 1>You got it, December eighth. Corey's problem only began with

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday, though he was born in Iowa, but his

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<v Speaker 1>mom dragged him and his sister across the country looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a man, a payday, or perhaps both. But by

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<v Speaker 1>the time he was ten, Corey had lived in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five different states and the paydays were hard to come by,

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<v Speaker 1>but his mom always seemed to find a certain type

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<v Speaker 1>of man. Guys with thick mustaches and cheap turquoise rings,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind who wouldn't hesitate to backhand a nine year

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<v Speaker 1>old boy with a big mouth. Grown up bullies. Corey

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<v Speaker 1>hated bullies, the kind who shacked up with his mom

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<v Speaker 1>and put the scars on his face, The kind that

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<v Speaker 1>roamed the halls at school looking for victims to torment,

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<v Speaker 1>and the kind lured him in before taking advantage, like

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<v Speaker 1>the kid who lived next door. When Corey's mom dragged

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<v Speaker 1>him down to Florida, he was five years older and

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<v Speaker 1>he had a great record collection, so he started inviting

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<v Speaker 1>Corey over to listen to music Public Enemy Slayer, Metallica.

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<v Speaker 1>The music blew Corey's mind. He started dreaming about being

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<v Speaker 1>a singer, and the listening sessions also gave him a

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<v Speaker 1>safe place to be away from the chaos at home,

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<v Speaker 1>or so he thought. One day, while they were listening

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<v Speaker 1>to music, the older boy pounced on him. He pinned

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<v Speaker 1>him to the ground and took advantage of a ten

0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.320
<v Speaker 1>year old Corey, and then he made Corey swear to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it a secret, or else he would kill Corey

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<v Speaker 1>and his family. So Corey kept quiet. But by the

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<v Speaker 1>time his family moved back to Iowa, the rage inside

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<v Speaker 1>of him was burning out of control. He fought with

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<v Speaker 1>his mom, he got in trouble at school, he stayed

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<v Speaker 1>out late, ran with a wild crowd, and took every

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<v Speaker 1>drug that he could get his hands on. But getting

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<v Speaker 1>tossed in a dumpster and left for dead was too

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<v Speaker 1>big of a wake up call. To ignore. Corey knew

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<v Speaker 1>that something had a change, so he left Waterloo to

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<v Speaker 1>move in with his grandma and des Moines, and she

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<v Speaker 1>gave him love and stability, and she supported his musical

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<v Speaker 1>ambitions even though Elvis Presley was the heaviest thing that

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<v Speaker 1>she had ever listened to. And in des Moines, Corey

0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Taylor found a thriving metal scene, more kids like him

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<v Speaker 1>fed up than looking for a place to vent their

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<v Speaker 1>feelings and where they could slam into each other and

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<v Speaker 1>bang their heads and find something sort of like a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey started a band called Stone Sour and began packing

0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.880
<v Speaker 1>club's lows, but he was on the lookout for something bigger,

0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.120
<v Speaker 1>something heavier, something that could incorporate his love for both

0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Slayer and Public Enemy, something that could take over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he was standing in the front row of

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny des Moines club called the Safari in April

0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.400
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen ninety six. He was there to check out

0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the debut performance from a band of heavy hitters on

0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the local metal scene. They included Paul Gray on bass,

0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Sean Cran on percussion, and Joey Jordison on drums, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were called Slipknot while two hundred people were stomping

0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.280
<v Speaker 1>their feet and waiting for the band to emerge from backstage.

0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Corey watched in awe as a group of masked men

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<v Speaker 1>emerged from the back of the room and ran through

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd like a marauding gang on their way to

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<v Speaker 1>the stage. Once they were there, the tall bass player,

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<v Speaker 1>who Corey figured was Paul Gray, even with the pig

0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.840
<v Speaker 1>mask covering his face, hit a thunderous low note. The

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<v Speaker 1>drummer pounded out of Phil and then everyone, the band,

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>the crowd, and Corey in the front row, went off

0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Ninety minutes later. Corey was sure of him this band

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<v Speaker 1>could take over the world. They were only missing one

0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:22.840
<v Speaker 1>thing him. It took a year, but eventually Paul, Sean

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Joey and guitarist Mick Thompson officially invited Corey to join

0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Slipknot as a lead singer, and Corey agreed. He picked

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<v Speaker 1>out a mask and adopted the number eight aka infinity

0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.399
<v Speaker 1>aka forever because that's how long you wanted his songs

0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to be remembered. It may have seemed like a big

0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.320
<v Speaker 1>brag at first, but soon it was becoming reality because

0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 1>with Corey in the mix, suddenly the band had a

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<v Speaker 1>totally new dimension. They had a singer who could growl,

0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.040
<v Speaker 1>who could scream, who could rap, and yes sing in

0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.199
<v Speaker 1>honest to God melody. When the time came and with

0:17:56.280 --> 0:18:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Corey Taylor as lead singer, the band sound expanded dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>They added a DJ, bringing their number to nine death metal, rap,

0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.560
<v Speaker 1>pump thrash that were throwing it all into the mix,

0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:11.359
<v Speaker 1>and all of it worked. Their self titled album became

0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the fastest selling debut in heavy metal history. Their pulverizing

0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.919
<v Speaker 1>sets at oz Fest in nineteen ninety nine cemented their

0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.159
<v Speaker 1>status as one of the heaviest bands on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>The pressure to go even further on their follow up

0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.239
<v Speaker 1>was huge, so Corey dug deep into painful memories from

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.760
<v Speaker 1>growing up to harness lyrics for the second album. He

0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 1>spilled out grotesque revenge fantasies against the bullies who tormented him,

0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.520
<v Speaker 1>dark stories of his homeless years as a teenager. He

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<v Speaker 1>also laid down withering critiques of the fame hungry coattail

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.480
<v Speaker 1>riders and clueless record executives who were beginning to circle

0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the band. It all made for haunting material, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also took its toll. Corey began drinking more and more

0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.400
<v Speaker 1>as he dug deeper and deeper into the worst memories

0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.359
<v Speaker 1>of his life, and the alcohol made him feel numb.

0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.320
<v Speaker 1>In the recording studio, drank till he puked in order

0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.679
<v Speaker 1>to take away the pain, but then he would resort

0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.639
<v Speaker 1>to cutting himself with shards of broken glass just to

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.680
<v Speaker 1>feel something so he could make it through a song.

0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.000
<v Speaker 1>The recording process was as brutal as the record itself,

0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.720
<v Speaker 1>but it all seemed worth it When Iowa was released

0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.639
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and one, the album went all the

0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>way to number three on the Billboard charts. But after

0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 1>several years of intense touring and recording, the band was

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.040
<v Speaker 1>coming apart of the seams, and the darkness that they

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.240
<v Speaker 1>harnessed in the recording studio was leaking out into the

0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.080
<v Speaker 1>real world because Corey Taylor's dream of having his music

0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.560
<v Speaker 1>remembered forever was about to come true in the worst

0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 1>possible way. We'll be right back after this word. We're

0:19:52.480 --> 0:20:03.760
<v Speaker 1>wre darkness stretched out like a blanket. It covered the

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<v Speaker 1>baseball fields, the playgrounds too, and also the palm and

0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>pepper trees. In the late night hour. That darkness covered

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<v Speaker 1>every inch of Paris Hill Park in San Bernardino. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a warm May night, and the wind rustled through

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the leaves of the trees, and everything else was silent,

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<v Speaker 1>and from a walking path high up on the hill,

0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:33.320
<v Speaker 1>everything seemed still down below, everything except two barely visible

0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.919
<v Speaker 1>human outlines leaning against the tree. They were Jason Harris,

0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:43.600
<v Speaker 1>age twenty, and Amber Riley, age sixteen. From the path,

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<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't have looked too suspicious, maybe a young couple

0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.879
<v Speaker 1>of for clandestine late night mina, or just some friends

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<v Speaker 1>sneaking a smoke and sharing a pair of headphones hooked

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.159
<v Speaker 1>up to a CD Walkman. And that was the problem

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>for Jason. Were he and Amber friends or were they

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<v Speaker 1>something more? Amber knew he was obsessed with her, but

0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.399
<v Speaker 1>she toyed with him, she acted like his girlfriend, and

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.480
<v Speaker 1>then she would flirt with their friend Terry, and it

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:16.399
<v Speaker 1>drove Jason fucking mad. Besides, he and Amber had so

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<v Speaker 1>much in common. They both loved horror movies, death metal, horror,

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.639
<v Speaker 1>core rap. The more gruesome the better, and they couldn't

0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.639
<v Speaker 1>get enough of that shit. And Amber talked all the

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:30.920
<v Speaker 1>time about wanting to see a dead body. Jason had

0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:35.199
<v Speaker 1>practiced on a few neighborhood pets. But tonight they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go further because Jason had a plan that would

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.240
<v Speaker 1>bind him and Amber together forever. They were going to

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<v Speaker 1>find out what it was like to kill someone. As

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<v Speaker 1>a lone figure emerged on the walking path far in

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the distance, Jason hit the back button on the CD player. Instantly,

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.199
<v Speaker 1>a squealing guitar riff kicked the song to life. He

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and Amber locked eyes and they started chanting along with

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<v Speaker 1>the singer, words about vengeance and brutal violence. Jason pulled

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<v Speaker 1>the knife out, and the blade glinted in the moonlight

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.320
<v Speaker 1>as he set it down behind his back. A moment later,

0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.000
<v Speaker 1>their friend Terry emerged from the shadows. He nodded to Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>but his face lit up with a smile when he

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.680
<v Speaker 1>saw Amber. Jason could tell Terry had a thing for Amber.

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<v Speaker 1>Fucking Terry. Terry sat down next to Amber and began

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<v Speaker 1>to chat without a care in the world. Jason laid

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<v Speaker 1>back for a few moments, waiting. Then he started having

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<v Speaker 1>second thoughts. Maybe they should call it off, but Amber

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<v Speaker 1>locked eyes with him and he couldn't resist. He could

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<v Speaker 1>hear the song playing on repeat in his mind. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he picked up the knife and plunged it down into

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:52.679
<v Speaker 1>his friend Terry's chest, again and again. The next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>police found the body of Terry Taylor with his throat

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<v Speaker 1>slashed and more than twenty stab wounds in his body.

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<v Speaker 1>Jason's mother called the police when he and Amber asked

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<v Speaker 1>her for help getting bloodstains out of their clothes. When

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<v Speaker 1>the police questioned them, the song the pair said they

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.080
<v Speaker 1>were listening to and repeat was Disaster Piece by slip Knot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was two thousand and three and darkness was everywhere

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>as the members of Slipknot were moving into Rick Rubin's

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 1>house in studio to begin working on their third album.

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<v Speaker 1>Corey Taylor may have written Disaster Piece as a fuck

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 1>you to the bullies of his childhood, but in two

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three, no one wanted to hear it. In

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<v Speaker 1>the media firestorm that followed, radio stations quit playing the

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:42.080
<v Speaker 1>band's music, high schools band kids from wearing their shirts.

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Paul Gray was concerned darkness was starting to engulf the

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.680
<v Speaker 1>band from the inside. The pressure from their success, the

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>media frenzy from the murders, all combined with the physical

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>toll of constant touring and recording, it was driving the

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<v Speaker 1>band apart, anseled a European tourist, citing tensions within the band,

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and then they announced the hiatus. Corey Taylor and guitarist

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Jim Root reformed Stone Sour and had an immediate alternative

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 1>rock hit. Joey Jorison started his own band, Murder Dolls.

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Sean Kran was busy with a new record label he

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<v Speaker 1>was starting, but Paul Gray didn't take on any side projects.

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 1>As one of the founders of slip Knott, Paul had

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<v Speaker 1>been there since the beginning and ever since he put

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<v Speaker 1>on the mask. Paul knew that slip Knott was his

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>band for life, so he tried to hold the rest

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 1>of the band together, and as the rest of the

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>band slid further apart, Paul slid further and further into Heroin.

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Because for a band with big appetites, Paul Gray aka

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<v Speaker 1>Number two aka Pig had the biggest appetite of them all.

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:56.120
<v Speaker 1>He loved the Maggots. After shows and anywhere he would

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>come across them, he would always find time to chat

0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.919
<v Speaker 1>with fans, and he loved to write songs. In fact,

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>he and Joey had recorded dozens of demos for the

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>new Slipknot album, and he loved Heroin, especially when he

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do, which is exactly what Paul had

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.399
<v Speaker 1>been doing at Rick Rubin's Laurel Canyon mansion for the

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<v Speaker 1>last three months. Nothing. When he arrived in la Paul

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was eager to get to work, so he was disappointed

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 1>when he pulled up to the mansion and everyone was gone.

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Corey split for the Rainbow on the Sunset Strip almost

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>as soon as he dropped his bags, and Sean was

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>still finalizing details for a band on his label, and

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Rick Rubin, well, nobody knew where Rick Rubin was. Paul

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>woke up every day hoping the band would start recording,

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 1>but with all it goes around, it became impossible, so

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>he spent his days sitting on a couch in the

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<v Speaker 1>recording studio with nothing to do except Heroin. After three

0:25:57.119 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 1>months of shooting dope and sitting on a couch, things

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>were trending in a seriously bad direction for Paul. When

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Rick Rubin finally made his appearance, it was a normal

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>day and Paul stumbled out of bed at two in

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the afternoon. He grabbed his bag and headed down to

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, fully prepared to get high and to zone

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>out for another pointless day while the band he loved

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>fell apart around him. But just as he reached the

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 1>bathroom door, Rick Rubin stepped in front of his path

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.879
<v Speaker 1>and calling a band meeting. That was all he said,

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and then he handed Paul a cup of tea downstairs.

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Paul was shocked to see the rest of the band

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 1>all in the same room for the first time in weeks.

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.200
<v Speaker 1>He had to give Rick Rubin credit for that much.

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>At least. There was no equipment, no microphones, and nothing

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>set up at all except nine chairs. Paul is expecting

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a recording session, but instead he got a group therapy

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 1>session with Rick Rubin as counselor. It never should have worked,

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>it was so predictable, and they were a metal band

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>after all. But no matter how awkward it was, Rick

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Rubin stuck with it. He got them hockey, he got

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>them vending, and soon they were releasing all that darkness

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that they'd been holding inside, the grudges, the resentments, the anger,

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>the guilt. No one pulled any punches for hours. They

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>went at it, bashing each other like the kids in

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the wash pit. It was exhausting, but it was also

0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>cathartic and whatever it was, it worked. Paul swore that

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>he only saw Rick Rubin five more times during the

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>making of the album, but he'd done the producer's most

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 1>important job. He got them making music again and then

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.920
<v Speaker 1>he was gone, but not before he helped the band

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.679
<v Speaker 1>stage in an intervention with Paul, and they'd given him

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum, go to rehab or quit the band. Paul

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:48.120
<v Speaker 1>chose rehab. He would do anything to stay and slip knot.

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 1>He even finished his bass parts while living in a

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>halfway house, and it worked. Paul managed to get off drugs,

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and after a few close calls of his own, Corey

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 1>Taylor was sober well. When Volume three, The Subliminal Verses,

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 1>came out to rave reviews in two thousand and four,

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>it seemed like the band was locked and loaded for

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>the second era when two thousand and eight's All Hope

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Is Lost debuted at number one on the Billboard charts.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that album came another grueling world tour and

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<v Speaker 1>Joey was starting to complain about pains in his legs,

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<v Speaker 1>and Corey was eager to take off the mask and

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<v Speaker 1>get Stone Sour back on the road, and Sean had

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<v Speaker 1>a million different projects that he was diving into, and

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty ten, it seemed once again like Paul's makeshift

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>family was scattering in every direction. He was the bass

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<v Speaker 1>player for slipping on it, and no more and no

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<v Speaker 1>less than his calendar looked empty. Maybe forever, all he

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<v Speaker 1>could see again was the endless boredom. Paul knew about

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<v Speaker 1>one cure for boredom, but sometimes, unfortunately, the cure is

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<v Speaker 1>worse than the disease. It was a beautiful sunlit day

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<v Speaker 1>at England's Nebworth Park, one hundred thousand metal fans stretched

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<v Speaker 1>out as far as the eye could see. Everything looked

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<v Speaker 1>just like it should, and there was a massive tower

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<v Speaker 1>of speakers stretching up into the sky, and the sponsors

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>banners flapping in the breeze, and of course seeing an

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>escapable smell of middle grade grass floating through the air. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>something was strange and something was off. Something was wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>because despite the beautiful weather, despite the massive festival crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the decent bud and the overpriced beers, despite all

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<v Speaker 1>the bands on the bill, the park was dead silent.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone walked toward the front of the stage. On a

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<v Speaker 1>stand they placed a red jumpsuit and a mask. A

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<v Speaker 1>bass guitar rested in a stand nearby, and the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>stood in silence as the seconds ticked on for two

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<v Speaker 1>full minutes before they finally let out a deafening roar

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<v Speaker 1>from the wings of the stage. The members of the

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>band's Slip Knots stood unmasked, waving to the crowd with

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<v Speaker 1>tears in their eyes, all eight of them. Because Paul

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Gray was dead, many people believe that Paul Gray had

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<v Speaker 1>been able to stay clean after a stint in rehab

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and three. Unfortunately, many people were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It turned out that as far back as two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and five, Paul's personal physician was writing in prescriptions for

0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>heavy doses of morphine and xanax. His doctor did this

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<v Speaker 1>despite knowing Paul's history with drug addiction. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor would be tried for manslaughter in twenty twelve, although

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<v Speaker 1>he was eventually found not guilty. For Paul Gray One

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<v Speaker 1>Slipknots two thousand and nine world tour ended, he quickly

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>spiraled out of control. His wife, who was pregnant with

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>their first child, attempted to stage an intervention with their

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.959
<v Speaker 1>immediate family. On May twenty third, twenty ten, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>submit to another round of detos, Paul fled in his

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<v Speaker 1>car and he drove to a hotel room in Urbandale, Iowa.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day, the hotel manager discovered him in his

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>room with a needle in his arm. The members of Slipknot,

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>a band that had been together for more than fifteen years,

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 1>had been growing apart before Paul's death, but the tragedy

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<v Speaker 1>reinforced their bond with each other and with their fans.

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Every show became an outpouring of rage, of grief, of frustration,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like it had been when the band was

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>playing tiny clubs in Des Moines, it was incredibly cathartic.

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<v Speaker 1>For the next year, the band took the stage with

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<v Speaker 1>eight members, leaving Paul's jumpsuit and mask on stage as

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a tribute. As for the basslines themselves, the band kept

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>it in the family. Original guitarist Donnie Steele, the one

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 1>who had been scared off by the darkness of the

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>band's material in the beginning, returned to the fold to

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<v Speaker 1>fill in the gap on bass, although he played off

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>stage to better help the band and the fans grieve.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty fourteen, the band released five, The Great Chapter

0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and Tribute to their falling bandmate. The album once again

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>topped the Billboard charts, but troubles continued to follow the band.

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Original drummer Joey Jordison was forced to leave the group

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>after a rare neurological disease robbed him of the use

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<v Speaker 1>of his legs. Guitarist Mick Thompson was nearly killed when

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<v Speaker 1>his brother stabbed him in the back of the head

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen. That's how crazy the stories are about

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<v Speaker 1>this band, all right. The guitarist get stabbed in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of his head by his brother and it only

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<v Speaker 1>got one line in this episode. Joey Jordanson died in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one as a result of transverse malitis, the

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>disease that took the use of his legs, which left

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<v Speaker 1>Sean cran as the only founding member of the band

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<v Speaker 1>left as of this recording. That's the thing about a band, Slipknot.

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<v Speaker 1>The faces can change, but the mass remain, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Slipknot keeps thrashing their way into the future, taking on

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<v Speaker 1>the darkness, embracing it, owning it, and then destroying it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because metal is all about release and Almost everyone knows that,

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<v Speaker 1>but some people take the darkness way too literally, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan in this is Disgraceland.

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