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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: The so called Long Island serial killer Rex Hueman is

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Speaker 2: sitting enjoying his time, reading, lounging, and napping behind bars

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Speaker 2: as he is already indicted in three murders of young women,

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Speaker 2: a fourth soon to come. This is and as investigation

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Speaker 2: is underway in Vegas into five other young women found

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Speaker 2: dead in a strikingly similar manner. All of these women

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Speaker 2: look alike in physicality. But now, in the last hours,

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Speaker 2: is he not just the Long Island serial killer, the

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Speaker 2: Vegas serial killer, but the South Carolina serial killer as well.

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Speaker 2: That's right, you heard me, As we predicted right here,

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Speaker 2: connections at this hour being may being efforted between Rex Huermann,

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Speaker 2: the suspected Long Island serial killer, and many other women,

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Speaker 2: including a beautiful young mom out of South Carolina. I

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Speaker 2: believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I'm Nancy Grays.

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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation,

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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven, first of all, take a

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Speaker 2: listen to this.

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Speaker 4: The Chester County Sheriff's Office was requested by the Gig

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Speaker 4: Beach Task Force to assists in gathering evidence.

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Speaker 5: Now Sumter County investigators have received a visit from Heidikovis,

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Speaker 5: a woman who recently told the daughter of missing Julia

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Speaker 5: Anne Bean to google a foe of Rex Humerman.

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Speaker 6: She knew him right away. She recognized him right away.

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Speaker 7: She said that was the last person she ever saw

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Speaker 7: with her mom.

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Speaker 2: You are hearing our friends over at PIXI eleven and

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Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to analyze what we know.

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Speaker 2: But joining me right now is a special guest, the

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Speaker 2: lady whose voice you just heard, Heidi Covis, is joining

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Speaker 2: us out of South Carolina, who was a very dear

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Speaker 2: friend of the missing mom Julia Anne Bean, Julie for short, Heidi,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Nancy, Julie, thank you for kids.

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Speaker 2: Thank you really, Miss Covis, I really don't deserve that,

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Speaker 2: but thank you for saying that. I had a horrible

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Speaker 2: feeling when I learned that Rex Huerman had not one,

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Speaker 2: but two time shares out in Vegas. At the time,

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Speaker 2: multiple women went missing, women that had advertised as escorts online,

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Speaker 2: like the Long Island serial killing victims. And there's going

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Speaker 2: to There's not just four there, there's many more. There's

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Speaker 2: five in Vegas we're looking at and now, Julie, he

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Speaker 2: Human and his brother have a compound in South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: When you look at it, it's some covered in signs

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Speaker 2: stating I only enter with a warrant, no trespassing. Just

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Speaker 2: they don't want anyone in. They're trying to buy up,

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Speaker 2: particularly Rex Huerman. I can't speak for the brother buy

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Speaker 2: up property surrounding the compound. What are they going to

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Speaker 2: be farmers? Why do they need more reclusive property? And

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Speaker 2: when I found out that that avalanche that is no

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Speaker 2: longer being manufactured was sold by Human and was down

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Speaker 2: at the brother's property, I mean, I knew you right

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Speaker 2: then when I found out there was a compound down

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Speaker 2: there he visited. We're going to find bodies. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about, Julie. I want to talk about what

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Speaker 2: you just said. First question, how is Julie's daughter taking

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Speaker 2: the revelation that her mother's disappearance could be connected to

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Speaker 2: Rex Human.

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Speaker 6: I think she's having a combination of feelings. At first,

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Speaker 6: she was shocked, she was sick, and then she was

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Speaker 6: dealing with guilt and Shane and I think all three

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Speaker 6: of her children are just like Wow, it's a lot

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Speaker 6: and it's real you know, like it's real. This guy's

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Speaker 6: getting all these cool little nicknames. He's getting all this

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Speaker 6: you know, publicity on TV. And when Julie went missing,

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Speaker 6: she got nothing. Nobody even knew her name. Six years later,

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Speaker 6: people are just now learning her name.

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Speaker 2: There's also the issue of no finality. I mean, Julie

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Speaker 2: Anne Bean was last seen in the Red Bay Road

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Speaker 2: area in Sumter, South Carolina, in a truck with an

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Speaker 2: unidentified man. That was in June of twenty seventeen. We've

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Speaker 2: got to figure out was Humerman there in the area

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Speaker 2: at that time. That's easily discernible with a little bit

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Speaker 3: Children know.

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Speaker 2: Their mom is dead, not what they want to know,

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Speaker 2: Julie's daughter has no finality at all.

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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm here because you and Eryl Cheryl McCollum, Like,

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Speaker 6: I listen to you guys. You guys, you're brilliant. I

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Speaker 6: love your spice, Nancy. I love the way you put

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Speaker 6: so much, like I'm so grateful to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: The lack of finality, the lack of finality. It's my

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Speaker 2: understanding that Julie's daughter can absolutely identify Rex Huerman as

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Speaker 2: being the man last saying with her mother, tell me

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Speaker 6: Like, you know, I was just clean in my house

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Speaker 6: and I heard about you know, I heard a few

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Speaker 6: And then I heard them say South Carolina, two Wyndom

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Speaker 6: time shares. I sat down, I grabbed my phone. I

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Speaker 6: Hewerman in Chester, South Carolina. Mapped it out one hundred

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Speaker 6: and three miles from Julie saw the victims across the screen.

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Speaker 6: They looked just like her. Called the police and wouldn't stop.

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Speaker 2: Guys speaking of the striking physical similarities. And the reason

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Speaker 2: this is important is because very often a killer, serial

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Speaker 2: killer will pick out victims that look alike. Not for

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Speaker 3: It's really startling.

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Speaker 2: If you look at Bundy's victims, many of them look

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Speaker 2: like they could be sisters. Take a listen our cut one, nine, three,

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Speaker 2: our friends at picks eleven.

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Speaker 5: Heidikvis recently saw photos of the Gilgo four, the murder

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Speaker 5: victims tied to Rex Huerman.

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Speaker 3: He's charged with killing three of them. It looked like Julia.

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Speaker 6: It looked just like Julia.

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Speaker 7: The blonde hair, the green eyes, the petite.

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Speaker 5: When pixelven News searched for information about escorts in Sumter County,

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Speaker 5: we found one site called sex Girls in Sumpter.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Kristin thorn Invescador, reporter WABC

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Speaker 2: Channel seven eyewitness news and star of Hulu's true crime

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Speaker 2: show Missing Kristin.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: To have the similarities if you can, between Julie, Julia

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Speaker 2: and Bain and the Long Island serial killers other victims,

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Speaker 2: who I might add, are strikingly similar to the Vegas victims.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, Hey, Heidi, can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 8: How tall was Julia?

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Speaker 6: It says five to six on that flyer, but I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna say five four five five. She wasn't much taller

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Speaker 8: So what we know about the other victims is three

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Speaker 8: one of the victims was about five to six, and

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Speaker 8: they do all have the same profile. Nancy, this is small, white, petite,

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Speaker 8: blonde young women who were involved in sex work.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Back to Heidi Covis joining us out of South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: a very dear friend of the missing mom Julia Ann Bean.

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Speaker 2: Heidi correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it true

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Speaker 2: that Julie's daughter Pam can identify Rex Huerman as being

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Speaker 2: the last person the man she saw leaving with.

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Speaker 6: Her mom one percent and the truck on.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's just amazing to me this connection has

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Speaker 2: not yet been made. In fact, Pam, I believe actually

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Speaker 5: Covid said the daughter recalled the mystery man drove Julia

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Speaker 7: He told her that he had a big boat in

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Speaker 3: Cam Bean never saw her mother again. So Heidi, the.

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Speaker 2: Daughter of Julia Julia Anne aka Julie, actually had a

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and that's really bothering.

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Speaker 3: You got to tell me the whole thing start at

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Speaker 3: the beginning, Heidi.

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Speaker 6: So Rex drove Julie to a nail salon and met

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Speaker 6: cam her daughter, Cameron, and Julie and Cameron were getting

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Speaker 6: She was super excited. Julie pulls up in this truck.

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Speaker 6: Rex Humorman is driving, and he introduces himself and starts

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Speaker 6: telling Cam you know nonsense. She's a young seventeen year

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Speaker 6: and he was going to marry her mother.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, that's more information than any of

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Speaker 2: my research. Tales. You got to say that again and

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Speaker 2: Well, you got to start with the driving up part. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Cameron's in a nail so on. She's getting her nails

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Speaker 6: That night, that day, the next day, the next day,

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Speaker 2: Take her to a concert, my rear end go into

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Speaker 3: So this then girl, a high school girl, Cameron.

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Speaker 2: Is that the nail salon mom drives up with Hureman

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Speaker 3: Now curious, Heidi, did Cam the daughter?

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Speaker 2: Did Cammy tell you this story before Rix Chuerman was arrested? No, Heidi,

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Speaker 2: when did cam tell you about identifying Rix Huerman?

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Speaker 3: How did that come about?

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Speaker 6: It was a week ago, as I said, you know,

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Speaker 6: googling deeds and property with this guy's name and found Chester.

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Speaker 3: But I was too just crushed with grief. I didn't

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Speaker 2: But with all of the murder victim families I've dealt with,

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Speaker 9: Bethany, Well, I think Nancy, when a family member goes missing,

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Speaker 2: Oh, Dr Bethanie, You're so right. That's what happened to me.

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Speaker 2: know what, Heidi, as long as long as Cammy can

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Speaker 2: that said, you know what, Cheryl McCollum is joining me, Heidi.

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Speaker 2: You just brought up her name, not only a longtime colleague,

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Speaker 2: She's the star of a new hit series podcast, Zone seven. Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: I got chills listening to Heidi Covis joining us out

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Speaker 2: And when you hear him boasting, which I'm going to

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Speaker 3: What a shackass, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: I have said multiple times there is no such thing

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Speaker 6: He has to pick a week.

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Speaker 10: He has to go to that management office and check

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Speaker 2: Phones, and he's on video still buying them, getting more

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Speaker 3: That was just weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: But well, how can I connect him to South Carolina?

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Speaker 3: I got an eyewitness number one? What else?

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Speaker 10: The timeshare week he was there can connect him.

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Speaker 3: They can show time.

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Speaker 2: The timeshare in South Carolina. We're talking about South Carolina,

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Speaker 10: Right, But we don't know all the properties. But if

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Speaker 2: You Well, I don't know that a truck that seas

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Speaker 2: We've got to you Sarah Ford joining me out of

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Speaker 2: for Sarah, I had cases that I proved with an eyewitness.

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Speaker 2: But in this day and age, in the age of CSI,

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Speaker 2: Jerry's want more than any eyewitness, much less an eyewitness

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Speaker 3: But I need more.

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Speaker 2: What should we be doing to connect Rexed Huremney to

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Speaker 8: We've got to get search for it's Nancy. We've got

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Speaker 8: to look at his credit card. You've got to look

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Speaker 3: But this was back in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 8: So credit card statement, Sunien, see, we can get that.

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Speaker 2: You know what, speaking of cameras, you know, what would

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Speaker 2: Now we all learned the hard way with Chandra Levy's

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Speaker 3: Is that video still there? Don't know? Is it in

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Speaker 2: It would go a long way if we could find

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Speaker 2: Julie's body, Heidikvis. Over the years, did Julie's daughter Cameron

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Speaker 3: No, nothing, very uncharacteristic. Would you agree, yes, Heidi?

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Speaker 2: What more can you tell me about what Cameron is

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Speaker 6: She just messaged me while you were talking, and I

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Speaker 6: just open it, is it like you guys?

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Speaker 3: Open it? Open it?

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Speaker 2: And in the meantime, I'm going to go to doctor

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Speaker 2: Michelle Dupre forensic pathologists, medical examiner, former detective who literally

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Speaker 2: I want her to be alive, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: we still get DNA?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Nancy, you know DNA. We may not be able

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Speaker 3: Why are you talking like that? Talking regular people talk?

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Speaker 10: Please?

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Speaker 11: So regular DNA is what we normally think of and

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Speaker 3: Guys, so much happening? So fast? Did you open the

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Speaker 6: I did you know this? Sweet baby? Just asked me

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Speaker 2: I want to be clear about any connections to South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Somebody said he owns time shares in South Carolina. We

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, that's the way time shares work. So we again,

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Speaker 2: All the way back in twenty seventeen. You think it

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Speaker 2: One time he was right above Penn Station the Long

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Speaker 8: Yes, no, absolutely, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I was saying.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's when he had one of the victim's cell

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Speaker 10: you listen to what our guest is saying today, Heidi's

438
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Speaker 10: making it very clear that if Rex is who this

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Speaker 10: child can identify, he was running errands with the victim,

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Speaker 10: he was running by a nel salon in his own vehicle.

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Speaker 10: This is something I guarantee you that as other people

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Speaker 10: will come forward, this is something he would do. He

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Speaker 10: would notify them through email, which again should be part

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Speaker 10: of the case file of this missing woman. At minimum,

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Speaker 10: they should have grabbed her phone data. They should have

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Speaker 10: grabbed her emails. His information will be there if he

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Speaker 10: made contact with her.

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Speaker 6: That's his mo.

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Speaker 10: He starts fooling of you when he picks you out.

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Speaker 10: He will email you, he will call you, and then

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Speaker 10: he gets you to come to him.

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Speaker 9: And Nancy, if I could add, if I could add

453
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Speaker 9: to what Cheryl McCollums said, I love what she said.

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Speaker 9: There are no part time serial killers. Not only did

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Speaker 9: Rex Sherman have Julie in the car, but he began

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Speaker 9: breaking to her daughter, who was likely in his sights

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Speaker 9: as his next victim. So if he's saying, oh, I

458
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Speaker 9: have a big, big house, I have boats on the lake,

459
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Speaker 9: I'll throw a party, I'll take you to a concert,

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Speaker 9: he was already grooming her. He had not even killed

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Speaker 9: or offended against Julie yet, and she was already trying

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Speaker 9: to pick up on the daughter. And this reminds me

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Speaker 9: a lot of what sex addicts do, which I think

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Speaker 9: is very close to the mindset of the serial killer,

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Speaker 9: is that they're so clouded with thoughts of sex and

466
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Speaker 9: looking at pornography and imagining undressing women as they're looking

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Speaker 9: at them and what they're going to do to them

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Speaker 9: and offending against them. That they can't really even think

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Speaker 9: about anything else. They can't concentrate on anything else. I mean,

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Speaker 9: one of the associated features of this kind of compulsion

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Speaker 9: is that these men often can't even concentrate to do

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Speaker 9: minor tasks in life, like complete emails, which is what

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Speaker 9: we see in the compound and in his home. You know,

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Speaker 9: it's disheveled, it's run down. He only has one thing

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Speaker 9: on his mind, and that's why he goes from Julie

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Speaker 9: to Cameron. I mean, it's such a scary, scary story.

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Speaker 9: So those cell phones, the burner phones and the cell

478
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Speaker 9: phones that are going in tandem. I would bet you

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Speaker 9: that only almost every half hour or hour, he's hitting

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Speaker 9: up some woman, he's going online and looking at pornography,

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Speaker 9: or he's running errands with somebody. I mean, that's all

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Speaker 9: this guy does. I'm surprised he was able to earn

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Speaker 9: a living and support a family.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking about that addictive nature

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Speaker 2: because the moment he sets foot on us soil from

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Speaker 2: his trip to Ice. When the minute gets back, he's

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Speaker 2: back on back on his burner phones. Guys, I want

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Speaker 2: you to take a listen to our cut one nine

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Speaker 2: zero from Pigs eleven.

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Speaker 3: This is this is critical.

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Speaker 5: A missing woman is Julia Anne Bean, also known as Julie.

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Speaker 5: She disappeared from Sumter County, South Carolina.

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Speaker 6: Her daughter mentioned multiple different men giving her mom money.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's no doubt that she was more than

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Speaker 6: likely escorting. She was a beautiful girl.

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Speaker 5: She is a beautiful girl. Sumter County, South Carolina is

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Speaker 5: just over one hundred miles south of Chester County. Chester

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Speaker 5: County is where New York State police removed a Chevy

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Speaker 5: Avalanche owned by accused Gilgo Beach killer Rex Huerman in July.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: In addition to any potential links between rex Huerman, they

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Speaker 2: alleged Long Island serial killer and at least one victim

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Speaker 2: gone missing in South Carolina. To top it all off,

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Speaker 2: the former Suffolk County top cop has been arrested. He

506
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Speaker 2: was in place at the time many of these women

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Speaker 2: were reported missing.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut to zero five Fox.

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Speaker 4: Five investigators amil Plaine clothes officer caught him in the

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Speaker 4: act during an operation to curtail complaints of quality of

511
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Speaker 4: life issues at the park, where told the park ranger

512
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Speaker 4: didn't know Burke, who, according to officials, attempted.

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Speaker 3: To get out of the at ten fifteen am today.

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Speaker 9: During this operation, he engaged one individual who was soliciting

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Speaker 9: for sexual engagement.

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Speaker 8: Who was expressing to us, how this would you know

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Speaker 8: be a public humiliation?

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Speaker 2: Okay, to Christian Thorne joining us ABC Channel seven, what happened.

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Speaker 8: James Burke was involved with the Gilgo case as the

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00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 8: chief of the Subba County Police Department many years ago,

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Speaker 8: and he single handedly kept out the FBI for many years.

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Speaker 8: It's a well known fact to people that live on

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Speaker 8: Long Island that James Burke was known to solicit prostitute.

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Speaker 8: One of his girlfriend's ex girlfriends either at the time

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Speaker 8: had was a prostitute. We know that when someone seesed

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Speaker 8: a broken to his police issued vehicle in his driveway,

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Speaker 8: that's what eventually took Chief James Burke out of the

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Speaker 8: Suba County Police Department. He ended up beating up this

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Speaker 8: guy who broke into his car. That man found in

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Speaker 8: his car pornography, sex toys, all sorts of things in

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Speaker 8: the back of James Burke's leaf issued vehicle. So the

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Speaker 8: fact that James Burke is now reappearing in this way

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Speaker 8: was certainly a surprise to many of us. It's been

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Speaker 8: very quiet. He was in federal prison for three years.

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Speaker 8: He was on probation, and he's no longer on probation.

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Speaker 8: But this area where he was arrested is a well

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Speaker 8: known area for prostitution on Long Island, and so the

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Speaker 8: stings here happened routinely.

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Speaker 3: Now, when did this most recent arrest occur.

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Speaker 8: This rearrest was just a few days ago.

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Speaker 3: He mean he gets out of jail and does it again. Yes, Okay, Cheryl.

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Speaker 2: McCollum, you know this happened. I prosecuted a what is

543
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Speaker 2: now called child sex trafficking. Then it was called statutory

544
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Speaker 2: rate and it was a very difficult case to prosecute

545
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Speaker 2: for many, many reasons to involved to go into. But

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Speaker 2: I got a mistrial in my opening statement, had to

547
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Speaker 2: reindict blah blah blah, got a conviction. The little girl

548
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: ran away just the night before her testimony. Had to

549
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Speaker 2: scour the streets at Atlanta to find her. Long story

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Speaker 2: short again, we get, we get the conviction. Eight months

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Speaker 2: past and I walked by in the DA's office a

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Speaker 2: TV on mute and I see a sketch of some

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Speaker 2: prisoners in a federal courtroom. I'm like, wow, that looks

554
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Speaker 2: like fill in the blank. I went, that looks like

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Speaker 2: one of my vice cops. I didn't think anything more

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Speaker 2: about it, and then suddenly an hour later, somebody runs

557
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Speaker 2: into my office. Did you hear your three cops had

558
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Speaker 2: been charged on stings? I'm like, what three cops? The

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Speaker 2: three vice cops that I worked with every day out

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Speaker 2: on the street trying to find this girl, trying to

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Speaker 2: build this case, had been ripping off dopers.

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Speaker 3: Not that I care they lose their money, but still

563
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Speaker 3: a that's a theft, that's wrong.

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Speaker 2: And when they would arrest dope, lord said take a

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Speaker 2: plasma TV or some dope robes, gold chains or money.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I could not believe it.

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Speaker 2: Because when a cop on your case is suspected or

568
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Speaker 2: convicted or investigated for wrongdoing, the other side defense can say, hey,

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Speaker 2: your case, for lack of a better term Latin phrase.

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Speaker 3: Sucks and you lose.

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Speaker 2: Your case is reversed because the credibility of your witnesses

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Speaker 2: is shot. And now I've got this chief of police

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Speaker 2: who's steinmy the investigation out getting escorts again.

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Speaker 10: Help me, you say all the time, you say it

575
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Speaker 10: all the time. If you want to know a horse,

576
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 10: look at his track record.

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Speaker 2: I said a horse, a horse, not a hor principle.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe this guy. I mean, what go jump?

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Speaker 9: If I could interject about this. Sometimes when these sex addicts,

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Speaker 9: these offenders, these men who are sexually compulsive, are released

581
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Speaker 9: from jail, they are even more likely to offend. And

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Speaker 9: there's a very important study about that that shows that

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Speaker 9: because they're imprisoned, that they don't have access to pornography,

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Speaker 9: they don't get along with general population very well. They're

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Speaker 9: very isolated.

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Speaker 2: As they said, Okay, let me just start you right there,

587
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: right there, let me use another Latin phrase, boy fox

588
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: and I she's going to beat the hay out of me.

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Speaker 3: Screw his addiction. Don't care.

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Speaker 2: I care about this murder investigation. And this one cop

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Speaker 2: who stymy the investigation could.

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Speaker 3: Ruin the whole thing. We have victims, but doesn't It

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Speaker 3: may never proven.

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Speaker 9: It makes sense that he's stymied.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm trying to get beyond that.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the significance how it's going to affect

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Speaker 2: this trial if we ever get there.

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Speaker 3: Up here, listen to two o six our friends at

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Speaker 3: Fox five.

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Speaker 4: Burke faced backlatch for his link to the Gilgo Beach

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Speaker 4: murders and for interfering with the investigation because of his

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Speaker 4: tie to sex workers. Now he's arrested for soliciting one. Now,

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Speaker 4: I do want to note this latest arrest is not

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Speaker 4: connected to.

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Speaker 3: The Gilgo case.

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Speaker 4: Officials have reached out to federal agencies to see if

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Speaker 4: Burke is still on parole from his original arrest. We're

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Speaker 4: told that additional charges could be pending. Burke is due

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Speaker 4: back in court on September eleventh.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum, once again, I want to vomit. The only

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Speaker 2: good thing about this, well, let me not say it's good,

612
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Speaker 2: but the silver lining is what he did. What Burke

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Speaker 2: did the former chief of police during the Gilgo murders,

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Speaker 2: he stimed me the investigation. He basically did nothing. So

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Speaker 2: what he did was delay finding making an arrest. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think he had enough hands on activity on

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Speaker 2: the case for anything to have been tainted. He didn't

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Speaker 2: make any arrests. He hardly did any investigation. I doubt

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Speaker 2: that he was transporting evidence. So he may have been

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Speaker 2: so disinvolved that he has not tainted the case because

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Speaker 2: he had no involvement in the case.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm hoping for.

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Speaker 6: So he had no involvement.

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Speaker 2: How do you, Sarah, for believe at all, if any

625
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Speaker 2: his involvement will affect the current case. He's not involved now,

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Speaker 2: Thank Heaven, there's a new chief of police in places

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Speaker 2: Suffolk County.

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Speaker 8: He hasn't been involved for a while now. I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, what he may have done years ago to

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Speaker 8: not assist in the investigation, that's one thing, but that's

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Speaker 8: certainly something they can certainly overcome at trial, and that

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Speaker 8: they've got a strong chief of police now. They have

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Speaker 8: a really strong investigative team, and I think that that

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Speaker 8: will certainly overcome any appearance of impropriety based on someone

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Speaker 8: who's been you know, on probation and has now been

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Speaker 8: re arrested. You know, it's something that they can ever.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Burke, Burke, take your porn and your

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Speaker 2: sex toys and stay away from this investigation.

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Speaker 3: You've nearly ruined it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, not only that, Nancy, what there's more. Yeah, he

641
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 8: made short throughout the department that anyone that did want

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Speaker 8: the help of the FBI was really kept down and

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Speaker 8: was silenced. He made it very clear that he did

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Speaker 8: not want the FBI involved, to the point that the

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Speaker 8: FBI said, we are not dealing with you anymore. You

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Speaker 8: come to us when you're ready for us. When you're

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Speaker 8: ready for our help will come.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Rex

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Speaker 2: Huermann's potential contacts in South Carolina, his potential connection to

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Speaker 2: the disappearance of.

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Speaker 3: Julie Ann Bean, please dial eight zero three five five

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Speaker 3: one four two hundred. Goodbye, friend,