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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up straight Fire Vamp. It's me Jason mc entire,

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Thursday, August twenty second. You can tell

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Speaker 2: I'm excited and not because bo Nicks has been named

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Speaker 2: the starter in Denver. Rob G is back. Took a

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Speaker 2: week off in August, left me just in the wilderness

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Speaker 2: struggling for topics because he's the genius with this. I

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Speaker 2: didn't even ask how the numbers were without him. A

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Speaker 2: lot of the audience hit me up on DMSs rob G.

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Speaker 2: Hawaii is it Malaysia? What's he doing? Rob G? It's

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Speaker 2: good to have you back, bro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to be back and to hear you

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Speaker 3: vent about my vacation habits when you are still tanned

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Speaker 3: from your last vacation actually probably two vacations ago, because

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Speaker 4: But yes, it is good to be back. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We didn't even get to chop it up about the

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Speaker 2: USA basketball team and the Serbia I don't think we

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's been so long. Obviously that's in

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Speaker 2: ant man guy. I do think we should probably start. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: NFL's on the horizon. Let's get this out of the

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Speaker 2: gate early. I talked about it before earlier this week.

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Speaker 2: But the Gardner Minshew QB one in Vegas, your team,

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Speaker 2: It's gone basically viral since he can't get a lot

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Speaker 2: DeVante Adams requests.

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Speaker 4: Somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of figured once they made Minshew

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Speaker 3: not looking good. However, if I want to be the

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Speaker 3: on Thursday morning, stats say that Garder Mitch's better than

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Speaker 3: do not have the worst quarterback room.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a take? I missed the takes. The stats

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Speaker 2: say he's better than Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, I mean, listen, Minshew.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Rob Deer hit a lot of home runs

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Speaker 3: I had some apprehension. But anytime you're mentioned alongside John

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Speaker 4: He's fantastic in the short game. He is elite.

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Speaker 3: And you're seeing that in the preseason across two preseason games,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how sustainable that is long term, right,

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Speaker 4: So congratulation to bon Nicks again.

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Speaker 3: I'm high on his potential long term, but in the

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Speaker 4: Five to six to seven win team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have one of the weaker rosters in the league.

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Speaker 2: It looks like they're five point dogs. In the opener

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Speaker 2: I actually, fun fact, I bet the Seahawks on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: They're not their favorite. Underdogs at home against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: it's likely going to be Russ. Then they're underdogs in Tampa,

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Speaker 3: My Raiders are not a great team. They haven't been

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Speaker 3: tells me why on Earth with Denver, with the rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 3: and as you alluded to, one of the lesser talented

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Speaker 3: have what should be a top ten ish defense headlined

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just saying, I think you're probably onto something.

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Speaker 2: Elsewhere around the league, things we haven't talked about. I

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Speaker 2: San Francisco and Dallas. But Trent Williams is not with

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Speaker 2: Trent Williams will seamlessly the veteran just getting some extra

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Speaker 2: be fine. Brandon Ayuk last week we heard, oh, it's close,

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that. Just that uncertainty, Rob leads

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Speaker 2: me to wonder, two pivotal players for San Francisco, two

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Speaker 2: Rob Let's wrap up real quick with the NBA. I

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Speaker 2: Nobody liked this, of course that I love Tracy McGrady.

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Speaker 2: rob it didn't feel like the hottest take from Ed Edwards.

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Speaker 3: rightfully so, I guess because some of the word choices

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Speaker 3: again was not ideal. But do you remember that we're

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Speaker 3: done with the nineties viral trend that was earlier this

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Speaker 3: year I think we might touch on on the pod

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Speaker 3: where people were showing clips of like, yeah, Magic Johnson

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Speaker 3: and Michael Jordan and they're like, oh yeah, these are

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Speaker 3: supposed to be the goats, Like this is embarrassing. He

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Speaker 3: can't even dribble with his left hand.

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Speaker 4: YadA, yad, YadA.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if people even remember this, But

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Speaker 3: in March, Shaq was asked about the we done with

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Speaker 3: the nineties trend or the sentiment, and Shaq, who is

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest players of all time, who is

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Speaker 3: one of the forward facing members of the NBA media now,

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Speaker 3: said this about it, quote normal stuff, Like the stuff

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Speaker 3: we see in twenty twenty four is way more advanced

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Speaker 3: than we saw in the nineties. You're a guy, especially

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Speaker 3: on social media, and all you see is twenty four

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Speaker 3: to twenty four to twenty four and then you see ninety.

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Speaker 3: You're definitely not going to be impressed by the nineties.

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Speaker 3: When I came in in nineteen ninety, I was not

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Speaker 3: impressed by Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Wilt Chamberlain footage.

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Speaker 3: They only add one or two moves. So when Shack

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Speaker 3: says it, it's not a big deal. But because as

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Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards, he is a lightning rod, he's young and

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Speaker 3: brash and opinionated, it becomes a big talking point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, you're right, and that's that's just something

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Speaker 2: the old head's gonna have to deal with. You know,

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Speaker 2: you guys had your time, you had your run. It

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Speaker 2: was great, and now it's over. I mean I saw

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Speaker 2: a clip you know who Charlemagne the God is from

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Speaker 2: the Courl Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: He did like his all time list of top players,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going off memory, I think he had Jordan, Kobe,

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Speaker 2: Steph Curry in that order. And I think the recency

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Speaker 2: bias of like Kurry in the Olympics is like Walton Curry.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how or why I didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about it, Rob, but like, who's the best point

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Speaker 2: guard ever? Resurfaced after the Olympics, and I'm like, did

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Speaker 2: the Olympics change your opinion on Steph Curry? It didn't

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Speaker 2: for me. I mean, I know he's an all time great.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this, but do you think the casual

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Speaker 2: fans it changed their opinion? I hadn't even thought about that.

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Speaker 4: I hope not.

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Speaker 3: I hope it didn't like, Just like, I hope that

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Speaker 3: when we're watching NBA later this season and we're in

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Speaker 3: February and Steph Curry drops forty seven on the Celtics

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Speaker 3: right on the road and they win, that, Oh see

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Speaker 3: that this cements him as the greatest point guard of

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Speaker 3: all time?

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Speaker 4: Like, no, it doesn't, No, it doesn't. Like if you

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Speaker 4: think he is.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but you would have thought that before this ever happened.

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Speaker 3: And the inversus true too. If you didn't think he

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Speaker 3: was the best, then you definitely don't think he's the

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Speaker 3: best now. So I hope that it didn't change people's

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Speaker 3: opinion of him. It's a nice feather his cap, for sure,

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Speaker 3: but fundamentally, if you have him at ten or you

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Speaker 3: had him at twelve, he should stay there.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if like an MVP or another title would

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Speaker 2: do it for him. I don't know, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: haven't really thought that far ahead, but yeah, it's one

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Speaker 2: of those the Olympics didn't really do anything for Curry.

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Speaker 2: For me, I mean, I love Curry already, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan in Hank and I have him

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Speaker 2: top ten EL. But it's ostend it's football time too

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Speaker 2: much NBA. There all right, we are back tomorrow. Good

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Speaker 2: to have Rob back in the fold. Talk to you then,