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Speaker 1: This episode was going to go one of two ways.

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Speaker 1: We were either going to talk about the Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: or we were going to have to have a much

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Speaker 1: more serious conversation about this ball club. Thankfully, for you

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fans, it's the first one. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Katie Wu. The Cardinals route the White

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Speaker 1: Sox twelve to two in the first of three games

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Speaker 1: in the South Side against the White Sox today. I

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Speaker 1: am not with the team this series. I will meet

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Speaker 1: back up with them on Friday at Bushadium. But you

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Speaker 1: don't mean to tell you don't need me to tell

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Speaker 1: you how important getting a win today was. Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: coming into play today had dropped three of four to Milwaukee,

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Speaker 1: lost seven of their last eight, ten of their last fourteen.

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Speaker 2: You get the picture.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty grim June so far, not great for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. In fact, it's been their worst stretch for

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Speaker 1: was so so important coming back after he direly needed

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to reset, regroup, I thought it was so

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Speaker 1: important that the Cardinals came out well rested and handled

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Speaker 1: business against the White Sox today, and they did. Lars

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Speaker 2: We'll get more.

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Speaker 1: Into new Bar and what's been going on with him

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Speaker 1: also get to Allie Marmle's lineup configuration later in the show.

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Speaker 1: But Brendan Donovan looks healthy after a minor scare with

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Speaker 1: a toast brain. He missed four games but played again

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Speaker 1: is heating up. All good signs. Big homer from Victor

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Speaker 1: Scott the second today, who had been going through it

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Speaker 2: Let's just break down the box.

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Speaker 1: Score and we'll go and look at what changes Allie

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Speaker 1: marmal made with his lineup. You'll start with Brendan Donovan

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Speaker 1: batting lead off today, and you know, I think that

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Speaker 2: He had a four hit day score two runs that'll

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Speaker 1: Yvon Herrera bumped up to the three hole with Donnie

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Speaker 1: and leadoff, Contra cleanup, Burlason, Aronado, new Bar down to seven,

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Speaker 1: and then of course PAHs and Scott bringing up the

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Speaker 1: what we've seen pretty much all year. The results twelve runs,

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Speaker 1: Donovan's four hit game that was really exciting to see.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the lineup, Herrera drove in four runs,

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Speaker 2: Burlison goes deep. We talked about picture Scott leaving the.

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Speaker 1: Yard and most notably for new Bar went hitless, zero

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Speaker 1: baby steps in the right direction for Newt. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: while the offense was great and this is something that

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Speaker 1: I was super encouraged by overall was Matthew Libertor coming

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Speaker 1: He went six in e ands, five hits, two in runs,

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Speaker 2: Through eighty six pitches, fifty eight.

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Speaker 1: For strikes, that to me looks a lot more Libby

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Speaker 1: This was his first quality start since May twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: much better today for Libby. So that is all things

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Speaker 1: pointing in the right direction for a Cardinals team that

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Speaker 1: really needed to pick up the win today. Now, I

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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. One win against the White Sox

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Speaker 1: does not mean that the Cardinals woes are fixed to

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Speaker 1: No means am I suggesting that, But I am saying

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Speaker 1: when you take into consideration of what the team looked like,

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Speaker 1: that was a really tough series against the Brewers. We

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Speaker 1: and he said, I don't know why, but every time

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Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, Yeah, I can't really remember

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Speaker 1: That happened this year Already, they I don't know what

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Speaker 1: but that was a disappointing series loss those division series,

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Speaker 1: It was disappointing, and the Cardinals knew that June was

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Speaker 1: going to be a stretch. This is something that Allie

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Speaker 1: Marmel had said when May ended, trying to avoid a

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Speaker 1: June swoon, but the scheduling fate was not on their side.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have, as you know, just two off days of

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Speaker 1: their last one of the month was yesterday, and they

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Speaker 1: needed it across the board. No one's making excuses, though

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Speaker 1: like this. We have to play better. We have to

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Speaker 1: beat our division. Opponents couldn't agree more. They weren't able

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Speaker 2: Team off day, come in handle a team in the

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Speaker 2: American League that just really is not performing well.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're doing better than last year, but low bar

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Speaker 1: So again, my beloved Cardinal territory listeners and watchers, I'm

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Speaker 1: not at all but at any means suggesting the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Instead, we have something to build off. So we'll get.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, like we talked about Tuesday's lineup with

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that Laras Newbar has been going through

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Speaker 1: It got so bad on Friday against the Brewers, a

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Speaker 1: He said I wasn't there for it, and I was

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Speaker 1: Something I'm going through. It's difficult. Obviously he wants to

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Speaker 1: Something that makes him so effective as a hitter, especially

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Speaker 1: I understand it again, It's not perfect. Nothing about this

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Speaker 1: interested to see how this continues to go forward. I

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right. So the Cardinals did

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Speaker 1: Obviously, taking a series from the White Sox, it has

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Speaker 1: But this stretch right here, seven consecutive games against division opponents,

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Speaker 1: White Sox series, get a series win, get everyone feeling

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Speaker 1: a little bit better about the situation. Then when you

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Speaker 1: come home, handle business against the Reds and handle business

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Speaker 1: against the Cubs.

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Speaker 2: See where you stack up at the end of the

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Speaker 2: month after that homesta. And because then you.

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Speaker 1: Have another ten game trip on the road. Oh it's

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Speaker 1: not just seven games, it's ten. Yeah, ten games in

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks against division opponents. Because the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: go three in Cleveland, three in Pittsburgh, and then three

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Speaker 1: right back in Chicago Rigley Field from fourth of July weekend,

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Speaker 1: So that will be insane. Yeah, a lot can happen

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Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. And I don't want to be,

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Speaker 1: love drama. But we have just a limited amount of time,

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Speaker 1: so many division games in between those timelines. We could

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Speaker 1: be having two entirely separate conversations about the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: With this team, it all depends on how they perform.

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Speaker 2: So that's what.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at over the next two weeks or so

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Speaker 1: Bernie and I. We've had some weird scheduling things going on,

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Speaker 1: but he and I will be back to preview not preview,

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Speaker 1: recap the White Sox series on Thursday, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: a series recap about the Reds as well. I am

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Speaker 1: going to kick back, relax and listen to Chip Carry

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Speaker 1: and Brad Tom on the next two days from home,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully when the Cardinals come back to Bush Stadium

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Speaker 1: they're in a much better spot than when they left

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Speaker 1: American Family Field, because that was grim.

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Speaker 2: All right, Cardinal.

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Speaker 1: Territory fans, be back with you later in the week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always for watching Talk Soon