1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Now Here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, mental health podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: Jay Glazer. Our guest today is probably the best letting 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: guest we've ever had on them. Before we get to them, 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: you'll understand why a second. But if you're like many people, 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: adults in this country experienced mental illness last year. Get 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: far too many fail to receive the support they need. 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Carolyn behavior Health is doing something about it. They understand 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: that behavioral health is a key part of whole health, 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, and social needs. 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: Intent Carolyn behavioral Health raising the quality of life through 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 2: empathy and action. Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental health podcast 16 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: with Jay Glazer. Once again, I am Jay Glazer and 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: joining me is mate. You guys know him from being 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: an all pro in the NFL. You may know him 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: from being on TV. I know him from being like 20 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: my little nephew, my little brother. But he's a you know, 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: six foot seven, three hundred and forty pound little brother 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: I've known since I think you're seven years old, something 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: along those lines. I want and only Kyle long, how 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 2: are you? Brother? 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's awesome, and I'm really glad I get 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: to come on here. I go. I have the opportunity 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: to talk to so many great folks on podcasts, and 28 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: they want to ask about football, and they want to 29 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: ask about my family and stuff like that. But I'm 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: glad I get to come on a mental health podcast, 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 3: and not only that, but with somebody that I'm comfortable with. 32 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: And I appreciate You've always been there for me during 33 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: those great times that we often discussed. But you know, 34 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad I could be here for you today on 35 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 3: the pod and I look forward to the chat. 36 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: Hey fuck yeah. And here's the thing with us, alsome man, 37 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: it's a great thing about our mental health podcast. It's 38 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: called a mental health podcast. I talk about the gray 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, but our job is to put people 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: in the blue, right. It's not always just doom and glooming. 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: And I think you know what's always connected. Look, obviously 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: your DA's always connected us. But you and I get 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: each other. There's not a lot of people who understand 44 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: that that we both have this kind of this this 45 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: beast in the box, if you will, that is what 46 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: draws us so much, and that's what connected you and 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: I from day one, since you were you know, even 48 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 2: you know, as a little kidd on, but you know 49 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: later on in life, you know, I got to help 50 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: train you for the combine and helped you you know, 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: along the way, and it's just incredible what these relationships 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: did do. At the same time, people don't realize this. 53 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: Kyle moved in with me for me to help train 54 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: him for the combine, and as a result, his compensation 55 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: it was paid to me, was that he was my 56 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: son Sammy's many Yeah, and. 57 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 3: I got to use your credit card when we went 58 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: out to eat. So it was like a great three 59 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 3: weight like MBA type trade. Like they benefit, they benefited, 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: they benefit. It was great. I mean, hanging out with 61 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: Sammy was fun. And I remember when when my dad 62 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: presented me the opportunity to go train with you, and 63 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 3: obviously you invited me and were probably beating his door 64 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: down about it for quite some time before he was 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: finally like, all right, you want to go train with 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: Glaze And he was really like, I don't know what 67 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: that's going to entail, but I trust that he's going 68 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: to put the right people in front of you. That was, 69 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: you know, for me, it was an unbreakable moment. I 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: went from junior college to Oregon for one year and 71 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: I was a backup guy, and then somebody got hurt. 72 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: I ended up playing the last four or five games. 73 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: I got invited to the Senior Bowl based on my 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: performance in those games and the Fiesta Bowl that I 75 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 3: played in, and then when I went to the Senior Bowl, 76 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: I wore just enough people out to get on a 77 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: bigger radar. And then from there I get to go 78 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: train with Glazes and get ready for the big show, 79 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: which everybody knows is the NFL Combine and the NFL Draft. 80 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: And I just remember being able to brush elbows and 81 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: train every day and push our bodies to the limit 82 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: and our minds to the limit, and do it with 83 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: people that have an outside the box background because we 84 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: deal with so many football people. In that pre draft, 85 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: you know, it's just fucking football, football, football, Like you're like, 86 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: oh wait, this guy was a Navy seal, or this 87 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: guy was a you know, a gold medal wrestler or 88 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: a national champion boxer and you're training with guys who 89 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: have a different set of elite mental skills. For me, 90 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: that was an unbreakable moment, having to tap in to 91 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: a deeper understanding of what hard work is and what 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: a true breaking point is. And obviously I never reached 93 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: it because I'm not broken yet, right And and for 94 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: all the days that I thought I wouldn't be able 95 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: to get up, or for all the workouts I didn't 96 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: want to get off that turf after the workout, I'd 97 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 3: lay there for an hour and feel bad for myself, 98 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: I was better for it and I am today. So 99 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: for that, I thank you Jay, and for all the 100 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 3: folks there at Unbreakable that were you know, were and 101 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: still are a part of my life and at times 102 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: they've been bigger than they are and others. But uh, yeah, 103 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: you're you're massive in my in my story. 104 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate the two missing discs 105 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: that I have because of you, So thank you also 106 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: for that. 107 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for playing playings, for playing with me every day. 108 00:04:59,120 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: So here's the crazy. 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: So Kylin and I would you know we'd wrestle, we 110 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 2: do hand fighting, we do this, We basically and unbreakable. 111 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: With this mixed martial arts program that I came up 112 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: with years ago with Randy Gatur, we teach violence. You're 113 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 2: playing a violent sport, but we also teach people how 114 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: to push their break in points, so everything else is easier. 115 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: But what Kyle was different? And remember Kyle only played, 116 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: like you said, five you know, college games at Oregon, 117 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: uh Chip Kelly as his coach. I remember the Senior 118 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: Bowl that you're talking about, and what I loved about 119 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: Kyle and I would try. I was trying. Yeah, I'm 120 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: honest with everybody, and I always tell these head coaches 121 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: and gms, hey man, this is who you fucking want 122 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: protecting your quarterback. This is the attitude you want. You 123 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: don't want some fucking you know, some daisy in there 124 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 2: who's sitting there letting his quarterback is asking, this is 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: who you want. I'll never forget. We're the Senior Bowl, right, 126 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: and you were. I think you were kind of going 127 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: through some anxiety of just being there such a huge stage. 128 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: And I just thought I had the flu, but I 129 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 3: was throwing up for three days just from anxiety. I mean, 130 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: if that's what we're going to, I mean, I was sick, 131 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: but it was like I didn't have the flu, I 132 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: didn't have mono, but I just like I couldn't keep 133 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: food down, I couldn't sleep. Yeah, I was going through 134 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: That's another, you know, a moment for me where it 135 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: was like my back was against the fire, you know 136 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Like I was on the cliff, there 137 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 3: was the volcano behind me, and it's either you fight 138 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: your way out of this thing or you just end 139 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: up molten. And I'm glad that I fought. You know. 140 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: It's so funny because even before I knew how to 141 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: communicate this stuff. And that's why I think the mental 142 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: whole stuff, my gift is like God blessed me with 143 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: the ability to communicate, So our thing is to be 144 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: able to give it words. That's some of the things 145 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: you not trained physically, but you and I get each other. 146 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: We could talk about it, so I understood what you're 147 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 2: going through. But I remember telling you one day, right 148 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: when you got back out there, hey, just fucking be you. 149 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: Just do you and let me do the other part 150 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: of it. And I'm on the sideline talking to Mike Tomlin. 151 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: How you're working, buddy? 152 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: Are you ever the coaches and I'm saying the same thing. 153 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm my guys, he's the nastiest motherfucker you'll ever see. 154 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 3: I almost had to say, hey, Jay, you're laying it 155 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: on a little thick. I'm in the individual I'm in 156 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 3: the individual drills, and I can hear Glazer over there 157 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: yelling at Mike Tomlin like, this is the baddest motherfucker 158 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: what you are? He broke my leg, he broke my arm. 159 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: But as I say that, Kyle freaking pancakes, the d 160 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: tackle pancakes. A linebacker runs over safety and the linebacker 161 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: safet whoever gets up and says you what the fuck? 162 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: And you go You're not on my fucking team. And 163 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: I turned around of tom with Howie Redmond, I'm like, 164 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: ha ha, Yeah, what did I tell you? It was 165 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: perfect timing. 166 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike Tomlin, I would have been a fun guy 167 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: to play for Howie Roseman. Obviously, maybe I would have 168 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: had some rings. I would have got to play next 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: to Lane Johnson. That would have been cool. But I 170 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: have no regrets. All these funny stories we tell about 171 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: training and getting in the ear of these guys in 172 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: the industry, It's like, uh, it all led to me 173 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: going to Chicago, and I'm a Chicago dude, and I 174 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 3: got like so much love for that city and I 175 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: was so glad I got to go there. I don't 176 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: have a super Bowl ring, but what I have is 177 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: like truly priceless, you know what I'm saying. 178 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: No, really, just a journey itself, man, And people really 179 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: don't know the journey. People don't know that you were 180 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: the number one, you know, left handed pitching prospect in America. 181 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: I was one of them. There was a lot of 182 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 3: guys who could throw pretty well, but I was how 183 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: fast were you throwing on a good day, I would 184 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: be like ninety six maybe ninety seven. 185 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: So ninety seven miles per hour. I mean, he looks 186 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: like a bad guy from taking already. 187 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: And I had a hairback then, hairback then. I was 188 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: like a boy. 189 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. 190 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: I was like a boy baby, six seven on. 191 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: A mound throwing ninety seven miles per hour. People don't 192 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: realize it's about you. Also, it's it's ridiculous what your 193 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: journey is. 194 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: Yeah it was. It was fun. And I mean I 195 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: always say I don't have regrets, but like if I 196 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: were to have regrets, it would be like I would 197 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: have loved to have seen the alternate universe where the 198 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: parallel universe where I got to play baseball, because obviously 199 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: I went to Florida State to play baseball. I got 200 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 3: in some trouble off the fields, a lot of nineteen 201 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: eighteen year olds to do, and my route ended up 202 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: taking me to South Orange County, California, where I cleaned 203 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: up my act a bit with the help of a 204 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: lot of good folks at saddle Back College. Mark McElroy 205 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: deserves a shout out there, our head coach. He's big 206 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: at saddle Back Church and getting guys into recovery, and 207 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: he was the head coach for a very long time there. 208 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: He brought in military vets, and he brought in people 209 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: that were getting out of the penal system. And yeah, 210 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: he was a good dude, but he knew you could 211 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: run that nine route. So he was like, come on 212 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 3: out and play for my team. And I fit in 213 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: great there. And when I got to Oregon, Chip Kelly 214 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: asked me two questions. He goes, do you love football? 215 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: I said yeah. He goes, you gonna go to class? 216 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: I said yes. He he was like, come play for us, 217 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: and we won a lot of football games there and 218 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: I learned a lot, but it paled in comparison to 219 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: the learning process of when I got Chicago, obviously, and 220 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Aaron Cromer was my offensive line coach, and he's got 221 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: one of his offensive linemen, Jarry Evans, is up for 222 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. That was one of the guys 223 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 3: that he had me study early in my career. So 224 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: I had great guys to learn from, including yourself, Jay, 225 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: and all the people that you put around us. It 226 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: was really an awesome experience. 227 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: Appreciate it, bro, But so again you need this one. 228 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: We need right your dad for me. He's family like 229 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: he And that's the thing too, Like people think your 230 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: dad so square and this and that your dad is you. 231 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: He's he is that he's the original man. We're going 232 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: to try and keep that beast in the box. 233 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 3: That people don't get it and daily battle people. Well, 234 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: I mean his beast is different. I mean, his beast 235 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: was he was like a heavyweight champion boxer. He was 236 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: he was uh you know, you think about the tenacity 237 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: that a guy like JJ Watt played with and he 238 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: could play defensive end, but he could also play defensive tackle. 239 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: Ship my dad could play nose tackle. He'd line up 240 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: zero Charlton. 241 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: He's not a Southern California and he was. 242 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: An all pro in each of those And and as 243 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: you know, you are a product of where you've been 244 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: and who you are. And my dad was, uh, you know, 245 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 3: he had some spots that weren't didn't go as easily 246 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 3: as most kids should have experienced, and it made him 247 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: a tough It made him a tough dude. And he's 248 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: such a sweetheart now. So I'm glad people know him 249 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 3: as a sweetheart because that's who he really is at 250 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: his core. But like you said, that beast is in there. Yeah, 251 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 3: and it is. It is with all of us. 252 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: That you could be both right. So I talk about 253 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: a lot and look when I am, I think a 254 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: lot of us kind of talk about what you have, 255 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: this thing that sits inside you, and we don't know 256 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 2: if it's an angry thing, it's a you know, we 257 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: recall this a little monster. It's like a daily battle 258 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: to keep it down inside and not let it, you know, 259 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: run rampant on the on society. It is an everyday 260 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: type of thing. And I don't think not everybody's gonna 261 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: understand how heart that is for a lot of us. 262 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: But it's probably one of the coolest things that we 263 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: get to do, that we you and I and how 264 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: we get to talk about these things, that we get 265 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: to battle things that people don't really see or can understand, 266 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 2: and it does make us stronger. 267 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: Well, I truly believe it's what it makes us different. 268 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 3: It's what makes us special. I mean, like in a 269 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: locker room of you know, when you go to training camp, 270 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: there's ninety guys you meet eighty nine other dudes. You're 271 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: not going to meet probably one other guy that's like you, 272 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: and everybody's got their history, everybody's got their family, everybody's 273 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: got their skill set and their personality and it's wild. 274 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I challenge you to try to get to 275 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: know all the guys on your favorite team better, like 276 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: outside of just this guy's a good route runner, because 277 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: they're all human beings and it's you know, you get 278 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: to see the superstars always covered, but there's you know, 279 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: like I said, there's eighty nine other dudes on that 280 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 3: training camp roster that you don't know, and they're all 281 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: going through something. I'm not special and I'm human, so 282 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: I make it like I'm sensitive I've got emotions, I've 283 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: got thoughts, I've got opinions, and what you see is 284 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: just me trying to articulate that and I do my best. 285 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: And at times you talk about that beast when I'm 286 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: on the football field, I articulated a little bit differently 287 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: than most others. And that's what makes me special, at 288 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: least in that business. And now I get to talk 289 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: about football and I talk about it passionately, and I 290 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: think people see that and it's authentic and I think 291 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: people appreciate that shit. 292 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: So when you say you deal with the beast when 293 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: you're on the field, how do you deal with when 294 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: you're off the field. Yeah, I struggle, and I'm not 295 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: able to spark with my guys and and you know, 296 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 2: like fuck COVID, trust me, when Randy Getro moved away 297 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 2: and Jay Huran moved away and all of a sudden, 298 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to have that outlet. How do you 299 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: deal with that? You know, off the field, especially after 300 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: your career. 301 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: It's all about having healthy habits. I mean, we all 302 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: have bad habits that are fun, pleasure habits, you know 303 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like I like to eat a ton, 304 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: not like way past dinner and that kind of stuff 305 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: and stay up late. But I mean, for me, it's 306 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: it's the simple things, like taking pride in what I do, 307 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: and truly I chose something. I'm lucky enough to choose 308 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 3: something for work that I enjoy to do. So I 309 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 3: pour myself into work and I truly reap the benefits 310 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 3: of enjoying it. And when I walk out of the 311 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 3: building to work, I take pride in it. And so 312 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: that's a big part of it. And obviously my family's, 313 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: you know, the number one thing. But for a simple answer, 314 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 3: I would say I have a routine at nighttime. I 315 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: could play video games with my buddies, you know what 316 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 3: I mean. We get on we get on a little 317 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: chat room on here, and we all play Madden or 318 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: and we take turns playing each other and we all 319 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: talk shit. It's nice to have that locker room environment. 320 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: At the end of the day, you need to let 321 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: off steam. And whether it's sarcastically, whether it's comedically, or 322 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: you want to be mean to somebody, be mean to 323 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 3: one of your buddies in a private, you know, forum, 324 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: or be open because they'll say, hey, why you're riding 325 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: the salty seas tonight, Bro, what do we need to 326 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: talk about? You know? That's my version of that. And 327 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: there are nights where I go in there and my 328 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: friends don't fucking want to hear from me because I'm 329 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: in a shit mood, or there's nights where we can't 330 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: stop laughing. And either way, I benefit from having a 331 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: group of people that I can associate with, whether I 332 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: don't see them in person or not. I get to 333 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: go and play video games with him, and it's part 334 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: of my routine. 335 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: And look, Kyle and I have fought it out like 336 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: crazy again. He's living with me. We have several different 337 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: years where you've fought it out. Why not You're like, 338 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: I'm fucking leaving right through keys at you that day 339 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: You're like, I'm fucking out of here. 340 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: But I've been that guy too, And I've been that guy. 341 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: I've been that guy to my older brother in the 342 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: past year. I've been that guy with my dad a 343 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: number of times. But these are like, these are the 344 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: tribal members, bro, these are right, these are my people. 345 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: And like you feel comfortable around somebody, it's funny like 346 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: the more comfortable you feel around somebody, the more prone 347 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: to you you are to have I'll call it, for 348 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: lack of a better term in my case, and outburst, 349 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 3: like I get emotional, you know what I'm saying. But 350 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: it's also sometimes the people you don't know at all. 351 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: It's never the end, but it's never people you kind 352 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 3: of know. It's like people you love or people you 353 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: just hate. 354 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: And I think the people you love, I know, no 355 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: matter how much you and I find it out, you're 356 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: going to come back. 357 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: You're going to be there. 358 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: It's not it's not a death sentence. And that's what 359 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: these That's what a real bond is. That's what real 360 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: relationship is. You know, your dad die fared out a 361 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: million times like and that's what is so special When 362 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: you can lean into your people and know, Okay, I 363 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: could have these these mental health issues and these issues 364 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: and know no matter what, they're still going to be 365 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: there for me. 366 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 3: That's our equity. Yeah. Yeah, that's what friendship is, right, 367 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's faith. It's having faith at one another. 368 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: By the way we talk about we got to tell 369 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 2: you probably the funniest story that's ever happened us in 370 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: the gym and is before I owned up Breakable, is 371 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: when we were trained together his dad how he comes 372 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: in there and he's like, fucking honey, Booboo's mom. Right, 373 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, a dance bomb, and he's button 374 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: into our our drills over and over and over and 375 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: finally I show how you go? How we this is 376 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: why we're doing this. Wow, my fucking is his forum 377 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: of the hammer fist. And I don't know how often 378 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: you've seen that side of Howie, but the you know, 379 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: the kid who grew up in outside of Boston or 380 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: in Boston, fucking goes, why would you do that? Grabs 381 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: a key, puts it in between his fingers and tries 382 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: to punch me in the eye. 383 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if he tried to punch 384 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: you in the eye, because I would trust that if 385 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: he did try, he would have probably succeeded. So I 386 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 3: would say he he he hits you at the pump, fake, 387 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, just. 388 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: To gaze reaction, Like I have never re asked you 389 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: what your reaction was, but you saw that. 390 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: I think that was just the guy who was not 391 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: used to getting touched, even as a defensive lineman. Like 392 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 3: you know, some fighters are so good they're just not 393 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 3: used to getting touch Like you touched him. He wasn't 394 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: expecting to get touched. And now it says, Bonds, you 395 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 3: just did you just fucking touch me? Man? 396 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: It was one of the all time fucking moments. I 397 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: think it is my favorite gym moment. Did you ask 398 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: me a question? 399 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: See he goes for the weapon. I would have just 400 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: gone for the mall. I would have gone there. 401 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, a million percent. 402 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: Oh my god, rock Lessner first four seconds of a round. 403 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: That's why I would have gone, just sprinting. 404 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: So look, you know, again, like I said, Bonds, you 405 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: and Iyes, we've both been through a lot, and you've 406 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: been through a lot on your journey. I said, you 407 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: were kicked out of Florida, and you know, I went 408 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: from baseball to football and junior college. Talk about that 409 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: journey a little bit, what you're comfortable talking about. 410 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was too. So I was like 411 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 3: a two sport All American in football and baseball in 412 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 3: high school. And I pitched and I played first base. 413 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 3: I could hit and throw. Life was really good for 414 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 3: me in high school. It was really good. But I 415 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: was you know, it was I had the blessing of 416 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: being able to go to a school that was so 417 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 3: safe that there was you know, you can be yourself 418 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: and you didn't have to worry about being bullied and 419 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. And I have great friends from there. 420 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 3: It's a great place. But at the same time, I 421 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 3: didn't have the foresight of thinking, well, eventually, I'm gonna 422 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: have to go somewhere else and take my talents elsewhere. 423 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: And am I ready for that? And you know I wasn't. 424 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: I wasn't, and that falls squarely on my shoulders. So 425 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: when I went to Florida State, I just didn't have 426 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: a good routine. I didn't have structure. I had an apartment. 427 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 3: I had a little bit of money in my pocket 428 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: for monthly spending, and a lot of it went towards beer, 429 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: and not a lot of my time was allotted towards 430 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: you know, what was important what got me there, which 431 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 3: was school in baseball. And I made a ton of 432 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 3: friends who I'm still great friends with today. You know, 433 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if I would rely on those guys 434 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: like I would some of the other ones you and 435 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: I have discussed, But they're a damn good time, I 436 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: will tell you that. And I was playing baseball and 437 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: I was cramping up every day because I was probably out, 438 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: you know, having a good time the night before, and 439 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: I couldn't I couldn't even maintain my my level of 440 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: performance in the summer. And then once the fall rolled 441 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: around and football season started. It was my first time 442 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: not playing football. So I'm out there and I'm in practice, 443 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: you know, take a batting practice, and I can hear 444 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 3: the whistles and the helmets right on the other side 445 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: of that left field wall at Florida State, and part 446 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: of me missed it, and you know, I was, I 447 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: was not fully invested in what I was doing. Obviously, 448 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: I ended up going home for the holidays and I 449 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: had a duy, which was, you know, in retrospect, it 450 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 3: was a blessing because I had that DUI and I 451 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: had an opportunity to just restart, just press restarted the 452 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 3: whole thing, and a lot of kids wouldn't have that opportunity. 453 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: And for that, I'm grateful to my parents and my 454 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: whole support system, my siblings and everybody. But I went 455 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 3: out west and I did some time to get right 456 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: and you know, try to like detoxify myself mentally and 457 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: spiritually physically, and I started going to school and working. 458 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 3: I started working a job as at Jacks Surfboards on 459 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: the Newport Peninsula. I was folding T shirts and you know, 460 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: selling sex wax to surfers. I was on crutches at 461 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: the time because I tore my meniscuits at the at 462 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 3: the at the skate park, I was on my sector nine. 463 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 3: I tore my meniscus. It was the first real injury 464 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: I had. I had to get surgery. That was awful. 465 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: I called my dad and I tore my knee. What 466 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 3: were you doing? I was skateboarding, okay, So you know, 467 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: I go see the clippers doctor or whatever, and I 468 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: get my need done. And then I enroll at Saddleback 469 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: College and I start football camp three weeks four weeks 470 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 3: after a scope. And I remember I hadn't played football 471 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,959 Speaker 3: in two years now, three years now, right? You know? 472 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight was the last year I played. 473 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: Was in high school. Then I went Florida State, and 474 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: then I took a year off and now it's been 475 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: an offseason. So now I come back and I'm like, fuck, 476 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: I don't even know if I remember how to play football. 477 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: I showed up. I had cleats and like some compression shorts, 478 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 3: and that was it. I was like, if anything, I'm 479 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: going to impress motherfuckers with being big and fast. And 480 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 3: I played defense and I didn't go the right way 481 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: and I ended up on the bench. I was his 482 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: backup defensive end for Steve Crapo, who is the head 483 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: coach now, who I'm buddies with, but he always gives 484 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 3: me shit. He was like, you were a liability, bro. 485 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 3: I wasn't going to put you out there. The head 486 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: coach at the time, Mark McElroy was the offensive coordinator, 487 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: and he lets Steve Crapo have his fun with me 488 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 3: his first year. But the second year he said, you're 489 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 3: moving to offensive tackle because it just's going to work, 490 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: all right, And he put me at tackle and it 491 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: was like boom. Immediately it was like oh, football, okay, 492 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: And we put up fifty six a game. Our right 493 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: tackle went to Florida State Mentelick Watson, so you know, 494 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: and I ended up going to Oregon. And when I 495 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 3: got to Oregon, I rolled my ankle in camp and 496 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 3: I was never really one hundred percent. I lost out 497 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: to a really good young tackle at left tackle. So 498 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: now I'm back up again, and I only have one 499 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 3: year of eligibility there, so I'm thinking to myself, Fuck, 500 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: I gotta, you know, make something. I got to either 501 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 3: switch to defensive line or we can go to tight end. 502 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 3: Try to make myself available to play somehow so I 503 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: can get in the league. And at that point, I 504 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 3: don't even know if I could play in the league, 505 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I just didn't know at 506 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 3: the time. And so the year goes on and Manu 507 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: greg Our guard got rolled up and he had a 508 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: nasty lower leg injury. So we're getting ready to play 509 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: USC and I walk into Steve great Wood's office, the 510 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 3: offensive line coach, and I said, Coach, I'm playing next 511 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: week and he said, what do you playing? And I said, 512 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: playing guard. I'm starting next week. And he was like, 513 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 3: the fuck you're not. You haven't even been in a 514 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 3: three points you know, you know, you haven't been at guard. 515 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: You've been to tackle the whole and you're not even 516 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 3: You're not even good enough to be a tackle, you 517 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: know what I mean? Essentially, And Steve Gray was a 518 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 3: great guy and a great coach, but he was essentially like, 519 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: you fucked off to this point you think I'm gonna 520 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: And I told all the guys, we it was all 521 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 3: the guys and I've played with a few of them 522 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: since in the league. And we all met at this 523 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: one house on Van Dunn that we would all meet 524 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 3: at and just you know, be meatheads. We'd they had 525 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: like six lazy boys in the garage and we'd sit 526 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: around and talk shot you know what I mean. We 527 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 3: thought we were real football masterminds. And I told him 528 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: that night and they were great guys, and told him, 529 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna stay like when we line up 530 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 3: five wide, you know, pregame, the offensive line goes and 531 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 3: they do they run right, they run left, they run straight. 532 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: But it's five guys. It's the first group, and then 533 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: it's the second group, and then it's the third group. 534 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 3: So I said, I'm lining up at that guard spot. 535 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 3: You know you don't agree with it, speak now or 536 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: forever hold your piece essentially. And the guys were like, 537 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: fuck it, dude, like you know, try it, like see 538 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: what happens. And I lined up there and great Wood 539 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: looked at me, and I looked at great Wood and 540 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: he was pissed, but he was also like and he 541 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: saw that none of it. He was like, somebody else 542 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 3: hop in there, you know what I mean, Like get 543 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: a guard in there, and none of the guys moved 544 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: and I stayed to guard, and I stayed to guard 545 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: that week and we played and our offensive line played 546 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 3: so well that week, and Kenyon Barner broke the rushing 547 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: record against USC and we ran them out of the coliseum. 548 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: It was my first start in college. Really, it was 549 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: the same stadium my dad got to play in. It 550 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: was a special day. And then obviously the Senior Bowl 551 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 3: invite came and ended up winning the Fiesta Bowl against 552 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: Kansas State. We lost that year. We should have probably 553 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: had to run at the national championship. We lost to Stanford. 554 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: They just were the They were our Achilles Heal. They 555 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 3: were the out physical you line up and play a 556 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 3: monoi mono type team, and we were so athletic. We 557 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: were a monoi mono group. But they were just built 558 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: the whole way through like that. 559 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 2: So, yeah, your the whole story started with something where 560 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: you fucked up and you had to overcome. 561 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 562 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: Right. And I would tell people, man, the greatest things 563 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: that I've done, I never and you know this, I 564 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 2: don't brag about I never brag about successes. I only 565 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: brag about scars. Only brag about shit that I've gone 566 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: through and gotten through and gotten over. At what point 567 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: in your when you got to you know, I don't 568 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: know if it was Singer Bowl or in college or football. 569 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: And how often you do you go back and you 570 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: say to yourself, Man, look what I fucking overcame to 571 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: get to where I am. 572 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: Uh, there's been so much that has been there to 573 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: help me glaze. So at times I lose sight of 574 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: the fact that I am somebody that has overcome some 575 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: stuff and you know, put my foot in the ground, 576 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: so to speak. In the offensive line world, we say 577 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: you got to put your foot in the ground eventually, 578 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: and that's where you're sitting when you're sitting on a 579 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: blue rush, when Khalil Mack runs at you from five 580 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 3: yards away and puts his head in your chest. You 581 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 3: got to put your foot in the ground eventually or 582 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: you're going to be on his highlight tape. So in life, 583 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: the same thing happens. I mean, it's not so much 584 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 3: about a bunch of big things that happened. It's just 585 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: so many little things that I did to put myself 586 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 3: behind the eight ball. As it's knowing that you can 587 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 3: always recover. The best players in football are the guys 588 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 3: who make mistakes, but they recover. That's really what I think. 589 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: I mean. I saw Doron Bland the other day give 590 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 3: up a bunch of big catches and then he goes 591 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: out gets an interception. So that's kind of a microcosm 592 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 3: for life. And that's really I mean. They're going to 593 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 3: run out of your enemies, will run out of AMMO. Eventually. 594 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: You just keep fucking going. Like my dad used to 595 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 3: tell me when I was playing, I don't care if 596 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 3: the sky is falling around you. You just keep coming. 597 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 3: And that never served me wrong. 598 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: It is cool for the two of us also to 599 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: have been able to leave them the same guy for 600 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: all these years. And I have for me for and 601 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: I kind of you know, I kind of go whenever 602 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 2: I have my closest people on these podcasts, my attention 603 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: spangled all over the place. To have a hard time 604 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: always interviewing it's we hang out, right, Yeah, it's right, 605 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: but it's hard time, have hard time interviewing family. But 606 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: the coolest thing for me with our family right again, 607 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: you helped raise Sammy. I adopted myself Sammy, and I 608 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: didn't know what I was doing. I became an instant 609 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: dad and I turned to your dad on how to 610 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: be a dad. Your dad is a dad because of 611 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: what he's had to go through for him with you, 612 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: with Chris, with Howard Jr. With all that stuff, and 613 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: it's just it's a level of relationship that man, it's 614 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: just incredible. 615 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: Man. 616 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm I'm just proud to have as a brother. 617 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: Man. It's just we're really lucky to have We're lucky 618 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 3: to have each other. And we're even luckier to know 619 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: my dad and my mom, no doubt. What people failed 620 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: to realize is that so many people do really love 621 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: my dad and enjoy my dad and his personality and 622 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 3: his wit and his heart and his key cares a 623 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: great deal. And you have to understand the impact that 624 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 3: my mom has on that guy, Like it's it's a 625 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 3: non stop beam of sunshine into his life. Like he 626 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 3: is as lucky as any of us. 627 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: That's what. 628 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 3: We're lucky to have him, and he's supremely lucky to 629 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: have her. 630 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: And when I got with Rosie, I said, hey, I 631 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: kind of want the relationship, but how and Diana have 632 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: I want the same thing. That's what I want. I 633 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 2: want that unbridled support no matter what, And that's no 634 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: matter how much I whatever, I just got to know 635 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 2: that you rose will. 636 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 3: No matter how me I am. 637 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,479 Speaker 2: I need to know that you got right and I 638 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: got and I got to probably be reminded of a 639 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: billion times. And you know, it's just going to be 640 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: a constant thing, all right, it's just never changing. There's 641 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 2: much we want to try and you know, get better 642 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: at that situation. I still do. But I always lean 643 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: into to your mom and dad of this what I want. 644 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 2: That's exactly what I want. So I love that she 645 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: gets to hang out there with them now. Also, no, listen, hey, 646 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: this is just how I'm going to be for the 647 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: rest of my life. 648 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 3: Yes, And there's you know, there's some days where I 649 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: just can't match that energy that my mom masks and 650 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, and I see why Dad has to 651 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 3: take a lot of naps because he's like, you know, 652 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: my mom has this energy that's just unbelievable. It's like, 653 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: if you go hang out with her during the super 654 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: Bowl week, I mean, you're gonna go to four concerts, 655 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: You're gonna meet all the coolest people. Like people think 656 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: Donna Kelsey has a cool gig. My mom has had 657 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 3: that gig for like forty years and now, yes, no doubt. 658 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: I mean she was there when the Raiders won the 659 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: Super Bowl when they were Los Angeles. She's been to 660 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: all the Super Bowls. I've heard all the Yelp reviews 661 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 3: from all the. 662 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: Role of every concert. You're out at every Super Bowl. 663 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: Yes, you know she's She's the last one out the 664 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: door at the Drake Show, you know what I mean. 665 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: Like with security, my mom's a lot of fun. If 666 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: you've ever crossed paths well there, you would definitely know 667 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. She's a lot of fun. 668 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: The one thing that you outside of football that you 669 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: got to look back maybe, you know, we dreamed about 670 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: to say, I kind of wish I did this in. 671 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: Life outside of football, what I would have wanted to do. 672 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 3: You know, when I was younger, there weren't a lot 673 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: of people that said you should be this when you 674 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: get older. It was always are you going to play football? 675 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: But the one guy who gave me an idea for 676 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: a job outside of football was my dad. And I 677 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: remember being like seven and he was like, Kyle, you 678 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: really like talking to people. You're really good at hanging 679 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 3: out with people. People enjoy hanging out with you he 680 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: goes and you like being outside, you know what you 681 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: should do? You should be a park ranger. And the 682 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: more I think about it, I'm like, that seems like 683 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: the best job in the world. 684 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: I think you should host an outdoor TV show. I 685 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: never I never saw a park ranger coming. 686 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: Like, if you know, you get an opportunity to go 687 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: and experience the great outdoors. We're lucky enough to go 688 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 3: to Montana every summer for our entire lives, and there's 689 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people who don't get to experience that 690 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 3: part of the world. But being a park ranger, like 691 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 3: you go up to Glacier National Park, you get to 692 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: see going to the sun Road, and you see parts 693 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: of the maps that people don't get to see. When 694 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 3: you're the park ranger, you get access to things that 695 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: people don't get access to. Imagine riding that at night 696 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: when the parks closed, with the lights on and just 697 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 3: taking into sights and sounds. I bet it's I bet 698 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: it's an awesome gig. 699 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: Hey, you and I used to also talk. I started 700 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: a foundation called MVP Merging Investment Players were put together, 701 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: you know former con that's with x NFL players fighters. 702 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 2: Because when you lose your locker room. It's hard, and 703 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: that transition is really difficult for a lot of people. 704 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about it for years 705 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: and years and years, and you know you had that 706 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: you came out of obviously, you went from transition from 707 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: baseball and to football, out of that into broadcasting. A 708 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: Has it gotten easier as the years have gone by? 709 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 2: Is that transition ever go from Okay, it's transition. Now 710 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 2: it's kind of downe Now I'm just in this outside world. 711 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: Or do you still you know, look at it. It's like, man, 712 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: I'm still transitioning. 713 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 3: We're always transitioning, right. I Mean people ask me how 714 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 3: retirement is because they view me as a football player, 715 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: and I'm like, we're never really retired, right. I Mean 716 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 3: I know old guys who are volunteer firemen or drug 717 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 3: testers for the NFL. It's their only gig. Nobody's ever 718 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 3: really retired. And for me, it's always changing. Like I 719 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 3: started this studio gig a few years ago at CBS 720 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: Sports and I love it. I get to do pregame 721 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: there and it's a lot of fun. I get to 722 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 3: be myself, Like the advice you gave me the senior 723 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 3: bowl be yourself and that advice has carried me through. 724 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 3: It's the same advice my dad gives me, and you know, 725 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 3: just be yourself. And I get to do that. And 726 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: now I'm doing green Light podcast on Monday, so it's 727 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: a live show with my brother and that's been a transition. 728 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 3: It's like it's not all, you know, rainbows and sunshine. 729 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: So we've had to learn how to work with one 730 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 3: another and put our egos aside at times and understand 731 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: that also people enjoy watching the egos kind of butt 732 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: heads a little bit, like particularly when we talk about 733 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers and we have different thoughts about the whole 734 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: Aaron Rogers thing. But like last week, one of our 735 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: members didn't feel well. I had to fill in on 736 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: a segment on the NFL today, which is, you know, 737 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: something I've never done before, and they, you know, they 738 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: told me during the show, so I had to go 739 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: across the hallway and do something extra. And that's a transition. 740 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: I'd love to eventually call games, and that would be 741 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: something that I think would lend to my personality. And 742 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 3: you pair with the right person and you just have 743 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: fun and talk about what you see man, and I 744 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: just remember growing up listening to those classic calls and 745 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 3: it was just dudes up there calling what they see 746 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 3: and the guys who I really enjoyed now, Mark Sanchez 747 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 3: being one of them, doesn't get enough love over there 748 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: at Fox. He does a fabulous job. And I know 749 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: Mark outside of the field or off the field. He 750 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: lived with me in Chicago. The guy you hear in 751 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 3: the booth is the guy you'd hang out with at 752 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 3: a bar on Friday. So those are the guys you 753 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: want to listen to. I'd love to be like that, 754 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: but I know how hard it is. Man. You got 755 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 3: to know everybody everything every week. So the studio gig 756 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: I'm comfortable with right now. 757 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: And I think that you know, you find that that 758 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: locker room that was huge. I think a lot of guys, again, 759 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 2: we talked about this. You know, they ate, they finish up, 760 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: and they don't know what to do. They feel like, man, 761 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: I go, I got to race out and find that 762 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: next thing. And I think that's where a lot of 763 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: guys kind of get in trouble. Just try and tell 764 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: guys whole time, listen, dude, you spilt that blood, you 765 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 2: laid that sweat, you earned that cash, chill out, just 766 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 2: enjoy life. It's so hard. It's so hard for for 767 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 2: for athletes to teach themselves how to exhale. But that's okay, 768 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 2: to excel. 769 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: It's really important, though, Jay, to also understand that when 770 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 3: like I, truly understand that that advice is coming from 771 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 3: a good place, like you, you earned. It takes some time. 772 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 3: But at the same time, what we have relied on 773 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: as athletes is that structure and that everyday regiment. And 774 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 3: when you lose that to your point of losing the 775 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 3: locker room. Along with the locker room, you're losing nine 776 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 3: am left Monday, Wednesday, Friday, You're losing that walk through 777 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: that you so enjoy, that prepares you for the chess 778 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: match to come on Sunday. Those things go by the 779 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 3: wayside and you're and you're left staring your life in 780 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 3: the face, saying, what have I done outside a ball 781 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: to prepare myself for this? I would urge guys to 782 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 3: take time, but I would also urge guys to find 783 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 3: a routine that they can stick to during that lull 784 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 3: in action in their life, because once you get away 785 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 3: from me, if that car sits in the garage for 786 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 3: too long, the wires get rusted, you know, the battery dies, 787 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a lot harder to get that car 788 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 3: back on the road, whether it's physically or just in life. 789 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 3: When you do want to get that. 790 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 2: Job, agreat, we have to have that that structure, no doubt. 791 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 2: Like it's a great advice. Also, like make sure the 792 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 2: moment you're done, you figure out something else to do, 793 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 2: some other structure. We have a schedule because the first time, 794 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: also in your life, no one's told you where to go, 795 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 2: when to go, who to sit with, who to eat with, 796 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 2: who to train with, who to practice with. And the 797 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 2: world is a scary fucking place. It's very scary, especially 798 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: when you don't have t walk in this walk with you. 799 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: I just you know my point to them also, and 800 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: that's just a great thing. Don't jump out and find 801 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: the wrong thing, you know. I mean, like, hey, I 802 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 2: gotta find something. 803 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna. 804 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly right. And that's why I said, Man, 805 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 2: just afford yourself some of that grace because you put 806 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: so much work in to allow yourself to enjoy it. 807 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 2: We're just not ingrained to allow ourselves to enjoy it. 808 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 3: And there's people waiting for you to get off of 809 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 3: the ferres. They've been watching you ride that ferris wheel 810 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 3: for a long time and people have come out and 811 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 3: droves and a lot of people left when you were 812 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 3: done playing. But then there's people that are waiting to 813 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 3: get something from you or ask something of you when 814 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 3: you're done, because like he's got time now. So like 815 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: you said, don't latch onto everything. Trust her and trust 816 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 3: your ogs as as it were, as it is, all right, last. 817 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: Thing, last question, ask everybody else. Give me your and 818 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 2: you may have said it, but give me your own 819 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: break of a moment, the thing that should have broken 820 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 2: you but didn't. All you came to the other side 821 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 2: of that tunnel stronger for the rest of your life. 822 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: That's your currency forever. 823 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 3: Man. There's just so there's so much plays. It's so 824 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 3: tough to put my finger on on one thing. I 825 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: would probably say just getting my life back together after 826 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 3: getting in trouble at Florida State. I mean, I have 827 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: my life in a handbasket there at Florida State. It 828 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: was all there for me and I threw it away. 829 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 3: Like we've seen so many times. And how many great 830 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 3: athletes do we grow up around? You say? You should 831 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 3: have seen this guy, Tommy Mansino from fucking New Hampshire. 832 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 3: He was the best running back ever. Or you know, 833 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 3: I played with a number of guys in junior college 834 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 3: who could have played in the NFL, and they fucked 835 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 3: something up and they never got back on their feet. 836 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 3: And as a result of that, I don't know those 837 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 3: guys anymore. Luckily, for me, I was able to just 838 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 3: stick it through and trust the process and have faith, 839 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 3: have faith in myself and have faith in uh just 840 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: that you show up every day and you put yourself, 841 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: you put your best foot forward, and good things are 842 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 3: going to happen. I mean, the more good decisions you make, uh, 843 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 3: the less the less you have to worry about when 844 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: you put your head on the pillow at night. You 845 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 846 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 2: Well, but dude, man, folks, you know him as an 847 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 2: all pro offensive liman. I know him as my son's 848 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: manny Kyle Long and my brother and my nephew, my 849 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: family member, and man, I just like I said, I 850 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: can't honor our relationship with her brother as much as 851 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 2: you've helped you with along the way, just knowing I 852 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: have a beast like you who has my back. No 853 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 2: matter what, that goes further than anything. 854 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: My guy. I love you man. Thanks for having me, 855 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 3: thanks for joining my brother