WEBVTT - 2025 Majors Recap with Joseph LaMagna

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<v Speaker 1>I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a bright egg

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<v Speaker 2>Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, fridagggrid egg brid egg lie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about ready to run off of the hump course.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Johnson. UH. Today I am joined by Joseph Lamanya.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do a major championship kind of breakdown,

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<v Speaker 1>a little debrief after major championship season and the men's

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<v Speaker 1>calendar has wrapped up. So I'm joined by Joseph, who

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<v Speaker 1>was on the ground for the last two Men's Majors

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<v Speaker 1>and UH and obviously regularly for us on Friday Golf.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a bunch of travel this week and a

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get to Joseph Lamania and let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>major season. Joseph, Let's let's get it kicked off. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to start most recent or do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to start at the start at the Masters or actually

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<v Speaker 1>the players.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing that. We're not doing that. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe let's go in order. We want to start with

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know you're you're the guests, so you get

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<v Speaker 1>you get first pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with the Masters. I think there's nothing Rory's win.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously one of the best tournaments of the twenty first century.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's the best tournament that I've ever watched.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm just being a victim of

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<v Speaker 2>recency bias, But that was one of the coolest tournaments,

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<v Speaker 2>has to be of the last thirty years. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the main thing I'll remember from it obviously the ups

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<v Speaker 2>and downs, Rory dumping the wedge in the water on thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>But that iron shot into fifteen one of the coolest

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<v Speaker 2>iron shots I've ever seen in my life with everything

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<v Speaker 2>on the line, and I think when you go back

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<v Speaker 2>to what are the best shots of all time or

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<v Speaker 2>the best shots of the modern era, that's in the

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<v Speaker 2>top five. So that iron shot into fifteen I'll remember forever.

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<v Speaker 1>You just you know, the moment in time and the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was on the ground, and just the

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<v Speaker 1>way the energy and the atmosphere of the tournament had

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<v Speaker 1>shifted from after he hits the after he hits the

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<v Speaker 1>green on twelve, it was like a raucous, like celebratory

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<v Speaker 1>like we're gett you know. It felt like that, like

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<v Speaker 1>almost like it was a to turn into a winner's

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<v Speaker 1>procession down the stretch where every green it was just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be this huge applause and him just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of waltzing to this career Grand Slam. That's what if

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<v Speaker 1>after he hit the green on twelve, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>what it felt like it was about to become. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the shot on thirteen, the soft bogie on fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and at that moment it was like the it was

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<v Speaker 1>like shock in the crowd. It was it was dead,

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<v Speaker 1>it was deflated, and everybody was watching the leaderboards and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reacting to the leader boards. And he obviously

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<v Speaker 1>you saw him like there was a big weight on

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen and you saw him in the trees and being

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<v Speaker 1>there on the ground. It it was kind of what

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<v Speaker 1>is he going to do. He's got to be laying up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he hits this all time shot and it

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<v Speaker 1>pulls him back together. And obviously, you know, there were

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<v Speaker 1>there were more ups and downs after that was seventeen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the web shot that was a really bad web shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the shot in the playoff. But the I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never forget that, the way the energy and the crowd

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<v Speaker 1>shifted with all these different like kind of like ups

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<v Speaker 1>and downs coming down the stretch. It was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a wild experience to be there. In terms of where

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<v Speaker 1>it ranks, you know, I think it's gonna It's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting aspect of to talk about where it ranks because

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<v Speaker 1>I think from like from my perspective, The Stenson Mickelson

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<v Speaker 1>duel was like, I don't know if we're ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to see it, Like, I don't know if in my

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime I'm ever gonna see like the sheer level of

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<v Speaker 1>play between two at the time elite elite players going

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<v Speaker 1>at it, like clearly the best two players in a tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>just duking it out. I don't think I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I will ever see a tournament like that in the

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<v Speaker 1>next like twenty five years, where you just have these

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<v Speaker 1>two guys that are just clearly playing on a different

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<v Speaker 1>level and it was just like trading blows like that tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets underrated, like this tournament was kind of just

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<v Speaker 1>like it was. Everything was around Rory in this accomplishment,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's an interesting question where it where

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<v Speaker 1>it ranks, you know, because like twenty twenty four at

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<v Speaker 1>Pinehurst would have to rank really high in that in

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<v Speaker 1>that you know situation too, because we were saying the

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<v Speaker 1>same things walking off that and that was more of

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<v Speaker 1>a duel.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you on the Stenson Michelson one. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>other one that comes to mind for me, or the

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight US Open, like those for me,

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<v Speaker 2>are the most memorable, but any earlier than that I

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<v Speaker 2>was a little young, But I think the difference between Pinehurst,

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<v Speaker 2>the back and forth nature of this one that existed

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<v Speaker 2>at Pinehurst, but the way Rose shot up. I also

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<v Speaker 2>think you got to tell the whole story of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five Masters with Rory's two double bogies on

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday afternoon and just the entire arc of that tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it reached a ceiling much higher than the

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<v Speaker 2>US Open at Pinehurst, even Rory starting the day shaky

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, the shot on seven like it was just

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<v Speaker 2>drama packed from start to finish, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Pinehurst really hit that in the last four holes, but

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like that all tournament. It wasn't like that

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<v Speaker 2>all day.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I actually know why you're discrediting because this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Pavaugh was in the final group.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not discrediting Pinehurst. That was a great golf tournament,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think the Masters a little higher.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is just because you're better that Pavon

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<v Speaker 1>played well.

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<v Speaker 2>I got nothing against Matthew Pavong, great player, good player.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh what's your second thing about the Uh? About the Masters,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of just hit on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think watching Rory's two double bogies on Thursday

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon in the whiplash of feeling like the tournament not

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<v Speaker 2>was over, but it was a massive gut punch to

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<v Speaker 2>his chances and to then turn around recover the way

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<v Speaker 2>that he did make another bad swing on thirteen. Resilience

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<v Speaker 2>the word that got thrown around all week, but it

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<v Speaker 2>really was a different side Rory than I think we've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that we're gonna see too many

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<v Speaker 2>players make two double bogies on a Thursday and win

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<v Speaker 2>a major championship. Not many have the birdie making ability

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<v Speaker 2>to get themselves back in. But I hope people remember

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<v Speaker 2>the way that tournament started, not just that finish, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was an incredible display of bouncing back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think like the thing you I remember talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Rory's round on Thursday, and it was like he

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<v Speaker 1>played such great golf outside of those two holes, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, a lot of people, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people put him, put them, buried them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>put the casket underground after that round, saying you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's out of it. But like the level of play

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<v Speaker 1>he was he was so dialed in that week. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you think about like kind of like the the whole

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<v Speaker 1>tournament and some of the catastrophic mistakes that he made,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fifteen on Thursday, chipping from over the green

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<v Speaker 1>from like a place that you're like, okay, he might

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<v Speaker 1>make a verdie here, tipping that into the water and

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<v Speaker 1>making a double from just over the crazy you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the the double vogie on thirteen in the final round

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<v Speaker 1>from like a great layup position, you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take double out of play and making a double.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think about that tournament, it's like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he played so well that week. He probably should have

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<v Speaker 1>won by like six or seven. You know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>just by far and away the best player of that week.

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<v Speaker 1>But he made some a couple, you know, huge mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>that you just can't make, you know, I think, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the things you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>walk away from. And I think I'm sure both of

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<v Speaker 1>us will have like Scotty's dominance at the Open is

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<v Speaker 1>one of our things. But you know that Master's performance,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a playoff, but it was you could also

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<v Speaker 1>say it was one of the more dominant performances because

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<v Speaker 1>Rory won in spite of like some serious mistakes that

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<v Speaker 1>you usually are unable to win golf tournaments with. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My second thing is also I guess influence from being

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground at the US Open at Pinehurst and

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<v Speaker 1>and that Masters is it's just kind of the the

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson rivalry with Rory, and you know, it's set up

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<v Speaker 1>this you know, Saturday afternoon, it sets up this this

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson Rory you know, final pairing on Sunday, and it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's going to happen. The start that Rory

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<v Speaker 1>got off on got off to with, you know, whole

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<v Speaker 1>one was kind of a disaster. Uh, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and you know the way that you know Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>Birdie's two and it's like, oh my god, he just

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<v Speaker 1>like flipped the whole thing. He's gonna win. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back Rory Bertie's three kind of gets back

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<v Speaker 1>on on the horse. But but overall, I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 1>watching the two on the practice screen and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>Rory McElroy putting just like around the green like you

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<v Speaker 1>would before you play around right like where he's like

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<v Speaker 1>hitting putts and it's just like there's no devices out there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he's hitting putts like different different lengths and like

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<v Speaker 1>a a really just like normal putting practice routine. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you have Bryson out there with like his ruler

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<v Speaker 1>and he's got like a track, he's got like he's

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<v Speaker 1>measuring stuff, and he's hitting these putts based off of

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<v Speaker 1>like how far back on the ruler he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>like random places. And I just thought it was, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's these polar opposite personalities. Obviously, Bryson has been a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they play on different tours. Bryce has been

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<v Speaker 1>a flat ship player for the Live tour. Rory's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, flagship player for the PGA Tour. And they

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<v Speaker 1>have just these two very drastically different approaches to the game.

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<v Speaker 1>So different personalities, different tours, different approaches to the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think like you could probably say they genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>see the world differentely, right, So you have these just

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<v Speaker 1>like two polar opposites, and it's, you know, honestly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of my hopes for twenty twenty six, can we

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<v Speaker 1>continue to get this rivalry delivering more. Obviously the fallout,

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<v Speaker 1>Bryson says Rory didn't talk to me all round, you know,

0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's clear between some of the things that Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>said he had that jab at Rory. I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 1>Rory didn't appreciate during the match in Vegas last year,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure that Bryson didn't appreciate Rory kind

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<v Speaker 1>of just iceing them all Master Sunday. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what your job is, to go into the ring

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<v Speaker 1>and win a golf tournament. And I think there's like

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<v Speaker 1>this great kind of icy rivalry that I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're sending each other Christmas cards, and it's like something

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<v Speaker 1>we want. This is what we want in golf. And

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<v Speaker 1>my hope is that we get more of this. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've gotten it at a Major two years in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>Could we get a thirty third of this?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like often in golf rivalries get overstated. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's not genuine disdain there, or they match up so

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<v Speaker 2>infrequently that it's not even a true rivalry. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Rory and Bryson is a legitimate rivalry and that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit of dislike there. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if they're spending a ton of time thinking about each other,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think they're pleased to be paired together,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe they are because they enjoy the rivalry of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think they like each other. So the

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<v Speaker 2>other part of it is that their skill sets are connected.

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<v Speaker 2>They're two of the longest hitters in golf. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you get a major championship setup that's favorable to distance,

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<v Speaker 2>like we could actually see them matched up again, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just increases the chances that that rivalry

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<v Speaker 2>could come to a head versus if their skill sets

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<v Speaker 2>were completely opposite. So I don't know that it's unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>we'll ever see them in a final group in a

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<v Speaker 2>Major again, but the chances aren't zero.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, you know, like there is. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be. They aren't friends, yeah, fair, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think like that's the thing is, like you they talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Rory after the Open about Scotty and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be happier from He's he's a great person, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is what he said, And like that's not like the

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<v Speaker 1>basis for a great rivalry is when there's like mutual

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<v Speaker 1>admiration for the other one. From like a personal standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up a Bulls fan. The Bulls Nick's rivalry,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bulls Pacers rivalries, and the nineties were and the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're just like rooted in the Bulls and

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<v Speaker 1>Pistons obviously in the earliest or early nineties they're rooted in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just general dislike for each other like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there there is like a level to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, I don't think no matter who it is,

0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.080
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be that like kind of contentious rivalry

0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:14.080
<v Speaker 1>with Scotty because like Scott, he's just generally likable. He

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<v Speaker 1>does doesn't do anything that's going to like upset people.

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<v Speaker 1>But where Rory, you know, we'll we'll speak his mind

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<v Speaker 1>in press conferences and you know, and and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. You know, he's authentic, he'll tell you how

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<v Speaker 1>he feels about things. And Bryson, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>being Bryson will will rub people certain ways. And I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, you think about it as like Bryson's

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<v Speaker 1>ascendants and ability to play Augusta. Obviously that opens that

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<v Speaker 1>up every year as a potential. I think next year,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to circle another one where it could

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<v Speaker 1>happen ironom Innk I think will set up very well

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<v Speaker 1>for for long hitters next year, So like a Bryson

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<v Speaker 1>Rory ironom Innk duel could be something that you look.

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<v Speaker 2>At that would be that would be incorrect just getting

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<v Speaker 2>them in the final group again this year. You're right,

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<v Speaker 2>like that that should be one of the lasting takeaways

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<v Speaker 2>the excitement everyone had on Saturday night seeing them paired together.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we get them again every time in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>now that's going to be appointment viewing, even if it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a major. But I don't know what other tournament you

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<v Speaker 2>could get it at the Ryder Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ryder Cup. Yeah, yeah, that's you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I might put somebody else against against Rory. You know,

0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I might put Andrew Novak. You think you know he

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<v Speaker 1>went toe to toe with him on Oakman on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>So see the Rory killer. All right, let's move on

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<v Speaker 1>to the PGA. What is one of your takeaways from

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Championship.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen it with Scottie before the late Saturday afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>charge where he finished eagle birdie, par birdie birdie to

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<v Speaker 2>just completely grab the tournament. I can remember I was

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<v Speaker 2>in a wedding that Saturday night, so I had to

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<v Speaker 2>be like looking at my phone and tracking that Saturday

0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>evening and had it recorded, and that tournament was so

0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.040
<v Speaker 2>wrap up for grabs. I could not believe looking back

0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.439
<v Speaker 2>at my phone and then seeing how quickly the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>had changed. And this is what Scotty does. He's done

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<v Speaker 2>it at Players in the past, He's done it at

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters, unlike anybody else in the modern era besides Tiger,

0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 2>taking a tournament that's in doubt and just grabbing it

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<v Speaker 2>and showing that nobody else really has a chance and

0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.920
<v Speaker 2>no one else really did have a chance from then

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<v Speaker 2>on in. He stumbled a little on Sunday, but that

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday afternoon charge, I think that's just something at this

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<v Speaker 2>point that we've come to expect with Scotty. He did

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<v Speaker 2>it at Memorial this year, like all right, the tournament

0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.879
<v Speaker 2>kind of hanging in the balance late Saturday afternoon, it's Scotty's.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I'll always remember from the PGA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, to that point with Scotty, I think

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<v Speaker 1>like you could make a lot of cross sport references

0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:03.160
<v Speaker 1>and just you know, if you're watching the NBA, it's that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like third quarter run where a

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>super duper star just you know, he'll he'll take over

0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and score you know, twelve points in four minutes and

0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just like whoa, Like what just happened? And the

0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 1>lead opens up and it feels like a golf you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you see this all the time, and I think like

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<v Speaker 1>with Scotty, it is a like it's a the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to rise to a certain moment and right when that

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<v Speaker 1>tournament is you know, is gettible, you know. And and

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<v Speaker 1>the way he did it too on like the hardest

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:48.200
<v Speaker 1>holes on the golf course, you know, where like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:52.440
<v Speaker 1>we're brutal holes and you know, to to to do

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>it where he just took took control. Obviously the fourteen,

0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:58.920
<v Speaker 1>fourteen and fifteen were the gettible holes on that back nine,

0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.960
<v Speaker 1>but like to just sees control and do it you

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<v Speaker 1>know where. I think that's like one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>you see from Scotty and maybe one of like the

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<v Speaker 1>marks of greatness is you know, his ability to hit

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<v Speaker 1>shots close on holes where nobody hits shots close all day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, well, nobody said it close to this all

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.159
<v Speaker 1>day and it's like, oh, then Scotty hits it to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve feet and rolls a putt in you know, it

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 1>is he has just this knack to make extraordinarily difficult

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 1>shots look routine, and he is he operates. I think,

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I think the irons are just I don't think enough

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 1>gets talked about and I don't really love that expression,

0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:52.000
<v Speaker 1>but like his iron dominance does not get talked about enough.

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:57.960
<v Speaker 1>How good the irons are, Like how generational the iron

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.679
<v Speaker 1>talent is. I mean, you think about five years ago

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<v Speaker 1>before we were in the Scotty era, like the excitement

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<v Speaker 1>about Colin Morikawa and how he was, you know, replicating Scotty,

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:14.480
<v Speaker 1>or the excitement about will Z l Trus's iron play,

0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.199
<v Speaker 1>and it's you know, Scotty is just just in a

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:23.680
<v Speaker 1>different stratosphere. And when you hit great iron shots, great

0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.639
<v Speaker 1>approach shots, it's it's like hard to play bad golf.

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.360
<v Speaker 2>He's also leading the tour this year. Strokes ginned off

0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:32.960
<v Speaker 2>to Tea like you could make the argument that Scotty's

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<v Speaker 2>driving ability is not talked about enough. Like so I

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<v Speaker 2>think that again, two years ago, all anybody said, correctly

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.720
<v Speaker 2>was if Scotty ever learned how to put average, is

0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna win everything. And to your point, now we are seeing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the most demanding setups where he can separate himself.

0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Tea to green, that's what's happening. He learned how to

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<v Speaker 2>put a little bit. He's killing everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's it's I like the call out of that,

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that ability to just kind of like burst out right,

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.640
<v Speaker 1>like the ability to like in a blink of an

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>eye put a tournament away. My big thing was was

0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>actually from Sunday. You know, I think that what he

0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>did on Saturday set him up to have this wonderful cushion.

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>And we haven't really seen Scottie Scheffler out of sorts

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.199
<v Speaker 1>tea to green in a in a big moment, and

0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 1>we saw it for nine holes on Sunday, and I thought, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when we look back on his career, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that I will always remember is that

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Sunday at Quail Hollow because that was a moment where

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>he could have like given one away. And once you

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 1>give one away, I think that winning them gets a

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.639
<v Speaker 1>lot more difficult because there's way more doubt in your head.

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Golf is a sport that it preys on your insecurities

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 1>and your anxiety, and for Scotty Scheffler to to play

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the front nine he played to have John Ram catch

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>him on the back nine and to have him go

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>from hitting it just just horrendously. It was about as

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 1>bad as I've ever seen him hit the ball, to

0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.680
<v Speaker 1>clicking in finding something and then playing a nearly flawless

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>back nine to win the tournament. Put pressure back on

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 1>John Rahm, who you know. It's like these these majors

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 1>are hinging on so many moments, and that major, like

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the major moment. One of them I will remember is

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>that the lipout rom had on thirteen where he hit

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:57.000
<v Speaker 1>an incredibly great putt and an insanely great putt and

0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just, you know, if that ball is going two

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 1>percent slower, it goes in and then he doesn't burdy

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the short part four, doesn't burdy the part five, and

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 1>so over again. But Scotty being able to gather himself,

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 1>collect himself and fix the pro problem on the fly,

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that's another just sign of greatness, you know, that's the

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>self reliance. Not you know, we see so many guys

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 1>run to the range, and obviously Scotty works with Randy

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Smith all the time. But when you know, when you

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:34.959
<v Speaker 1>reach the level of being able to fix something on course,

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>that is self reliance and self and that's just another

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 1>aspect of just understanding and greatness.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of crazy that you're talking about him having

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the most uncharacteristically poor nine hole stretches of

0:25:48.480 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>his career and he won the tournament by five.

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that it's I think that. I think the PGA

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>at quil Hollow leaderboard is like more misrepresentative of the

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 1>event than any like that's gonna be one where you

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>look back on it and John Rahm, I think, what

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>do he finished like seventh? It's like such such an

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>absurd like he finished second in my mind, you know,

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>give it because he came down the stretch and said,

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to win this tournament and made some made

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:23.240
<v Speaker 1>some mistakes that that cost him, you know, finishing second

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:25.080
<v Speaker 1>fair fair.

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I think to your point about him on the range,

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<v Speaker 2>I think one thing from this year and I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>if you agree. But Scotty seems to be we hear

0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>so often about players that they always need to be

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 2>working on something like that they get bored and they

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>almost have to fix their mind on some kind of change,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And Scotty seems to fall in love with routine and simplicity.

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 2>About as much as anybody to where that doesn't feel

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>like as much of a risk that he's going to

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.479
<v Speaker 2>always need to be changing something like Tiger did. And

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>I think even Rory has struggled with motivation at times.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really worry about Scotty struggling in that same way.

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>And that kind of makes me think that his dominance

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.959
<v Speaker 2>could persist beyond a lot of players who maybe their

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:10.959
<v Speaker 2>attention spans are a little bit different, or they do

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>want to they want to be making changes all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you agree with that, Andy, Yeah, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>simplicity of Golf Forum, I think, like you look at

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 1>him and there is like there are other signs that

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>point to this as well. It's the you know, he

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 1>had that truck forever that Jim Dance bought, but he

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>had that same truck forever when he's worth tens of

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>millions of dollars. It's the idea that, you know, I

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>think his faith builds some consistency in his life like

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that he does, you know, you know, like he's very

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:59.360
<v Speaker 1>devoted to that and that builds consistency in his life.

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I I would I would agree with that. I think

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the harder things the more underrated hard thing

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 1>about tour life is if you're a curious person, the

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>routine of going to these same places, these same courses

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>over like twelve to fifteen twenty years of your life

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 1>becomes a little mundane. It's like, well, I'm in this

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 1>suburb like and you have to come up with ways

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>to retain your interest. And I think, where are you

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>going with this?

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>It seems like a backhanded compliment.

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>It's not a backhanded compliment.

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just saying you Scotty's not curious.

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think he's still young in his career, right,

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I think like this is this is one of the

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>things that the underrated aspects of golf and maybe why

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 1>we don't see a lot of careers that are great

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 1>for ten plus years is there has to be hyper competitiveness.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>There has to be extraordinary, very discipline. There has to

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>be a drive to want to be great. There has

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to be you have to be in it for like

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the right reasons to have an extended career in golf,

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>especially now with how much money they make, It's very easy.

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>We've seen it. I mean, let's look at live Let's

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>look at who lives spent a bunch of money on

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and most of them got their big check and have

0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of checked out. And I think this is this

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>is an interesting, uh you know, piece of golf that

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>my maybe doesn't get discussed enough is the redundancy of

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the sport, going and working every day on your game

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>to see like the most marginal gains. You're talking about

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>devoting hundreds of hours in a year to chipping in

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>an effort to gain a tenth of a shot, be

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>tenth of a shot better this year than last year.

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a wild pursuit.

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>And to your point, we know what next year's schedule

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>looks like, and we're gonna know what the next year's

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>schedule looks. It's the same golf courses, the same events,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>are going to be signature hotels, same hotels, and Scotty

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 2>seems to be one of the few people who doesn't

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 2>have any issue with that, just shows up, shows up

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.719
<v Speaker 2>to Craig Ranch and wins comfortably.

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of a it's wild. What's your second thing?

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Mudballs? Mudballs at the PGA Championship. I feel like now

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>that we're a little bit removed, it's easy to forget

0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 2>about that. But that was a big talking point for

0:30:39.760 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the first couple of days. Police were out the fair

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>police were out, Scotty and Xander both having some trouble

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>on sixteen attributed that to mudballs. You had some players

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>coming out and saying you just got to learn how

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>to deal with it. I think, especially older players or

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>players who are no longer active, saying, hey, mudballs are

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>part of the sport. Other guys complaining about it. Not

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>throwing an asterisk on the championship necessarily, but having a

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>real problem with having to navigate playing championship golf with

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>some mud. Speith was really upset about it. Talked about

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>how the Masters you're not allowed to talk about it.

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 2>So it kind of brought mud balls to the forefront

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>of the conversation and sort of signaled where people stand

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>on that issue.

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, water boys, sure in the fairway was a

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>big theme of two major championships, obviously Oakmont.

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I think like one of the things that got stoked

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>this fire too, is like Kevin Kissner's commentary at the

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>US Open about like, you know, listen on the PGA Tour,

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>we can just get the ball in our hand and

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>move it to a dry spot and hit it from there.

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's one of the things that sets majors apart.

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things that's you know, in the

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>identity the famous you know, Daniel Berger walking up to

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the score of the first t at the Asters and

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:04.080
<v Speaker 1>asking if they're playing ball, lift clean in place, and

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>then'll be like no, I think, you know, golf is

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>an is an unfair sport. It's inherently unfair and and

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I get I think the position of the pros and

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Scottie talked about this after one of the round, like

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>we work our our entire lives incredibly hard to control

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the ball, and the mudball, you know, creates a situation

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.959
<v Speaker 1>where we have no control over it. That's part of golf. Like,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, bunkers used to not be raked, you know,

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>I think like the CB McDonald line was the you know,

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the best kind of bunker is like one that looks

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>like a herd of elephants ran through it. And I

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>think that you know, over time, this is this is

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, a tournament player perspective is like this idea

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>of fairness should come through. The more I miss the

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>the you know, more I'm penalized the you know, that

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.320
<v Speaker 1>type of concept which I can I can relate to

0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I but like there is like a nature part of golf,

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>just like life, is how you overcome the unexpected speed

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>bumps in your round, and that was something that mudballs

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>presented and it'll be hopefully. I mean, we don't want

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>tournaments where mudballs happen, you know, everybody wants these to

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>have great weather where you get that kind of firm

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>playing surface and the ball bounces and the fairways are

0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>much much more you know, demanding. But when it does happen,

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it provides a nice little added element of chance and

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>excitement to a telecast when when you know, the softness

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>of a golf course makes it a little bit less unpredictable.

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Another thing I think you're hitting on. There's a clear

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>difference in how players play in major championships than in

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 2>regular tour golf, Like that is born out statistically, and

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of conversation about why does that exist,

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Like what what is the difference? Why do some players

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>play awesome golf on the PGA Tour on live but

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 2>then they can't their game doesn't translate to major championships.

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I think a part of it is comfort and just

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 2>how routine oriented. All of these golfers are showing up

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>to the same courses, like you've mentioned, showing up to

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 2>the same hotels, their bodies being on the same clock

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.439
<v Speaker 2>every single week, and major championships just provide a level

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:30.919
<v Speaker 2>of discomfort between. Yes, obviously the pressure, but also other

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 2>variables like mudballs that you wouldn't be playing in regular

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>tour golf, harder setups, all of those things. I think

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it's being thrown out of the comfort of your routine.

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's a big lesson for me. Not necessarily specific

0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to one of these majors, not one of a big

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>two takeaway from one of these majors, but I think

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 2>that's been more clear after watching all four of these

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this year and seeing some of those golfers, the usual

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 2>suspects who show up week in and week out and

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 2>tour golf and their game doesn't translate to a major.

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 1>It is a piece of major where you hear these

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 1>guys talk about majors and so many of them are

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to make them feel like just another week, and

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you see a lot of puzzling why doesn't this guy

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>play well in majors? And it's different, but also the

0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>heightened expectations and weight of them, there's only four of them.

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.319
<v Speaker 1>And at the end of the end of the year,

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like we aren't going to talk about who won the

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Cognizant or who won the Byron Nelson, you know, but

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>we are going to tell maybe we will talk about

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>who won the Byron Nelson because of the dominance of

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.319
<v Speaker 1>on a course that's very hard to separate. But at

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, what is going to be

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:48.720
<v Speaker 1>talked about are the are the majors, the Ryder Cup,

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 1>maybe the player sneaks in, you know, even riv like

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this great event on the PGA Tour does not really

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>have relevance after you know, at the end of the year,

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of, oh who won it? Riv like that,

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that's it's not talked about it, you know, nothing on

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>tour really has talked about. And that's like maybe one

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>of the tour's biggest problems is nothing at the end

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of the year feels like it is like a a

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>seminal moment on on tour, you know, or on in

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the world of men's pro golf.

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of that's routine.

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Is you ready for mine? Here go I have here,

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>I've got I've got Ben Griffin. Wow, Okay, this was

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>this was just like the the Ben Griffin season. This

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.640
<v Speaker 1>is the part of the Ben Griffin season. Him and

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Novak when when the Zurich a couple of weeks

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.680
<v Speaker 1>before this, he finishes t eight at the PGA. It

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>was a super impressive performance from him. And then he

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>goes and he wins the next week at Charles Schwab.

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 1>He finished his second at Memorial. Should have probably won

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that golf tournament had it, could have put it away

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, but you know, kind of got like a

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>five or six shot lead and then and then all

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, Scotty comes up, you know, speaking of

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>another Scotty kind of performance the way kind of put

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.799
<v Speaker 1>put that tournament to bad. But like it had a

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>good duel with Scotty, genuinely good duel with Scotty. That

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was a good tournament. But and then finish his tenth

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>at the at the US Open, and it's like, you know,

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, like we these are the types of runs

0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:34.720
<v Speaker 1>for a young player that build confidence and and create

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, a I'm not saying a star, but how

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 1>somebody becomes a household name. It's not one performance. It

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>is stacking performances over a concentrated time period and him

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>doing that, this might be the best he ever plays

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>in his life, and that's that's fine. But he was

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a genuine, like big time story and one of the

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>five best players in the world for a six to

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>eight week period in golf, and I think like the

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>PGA was where this this run really started to take hold.

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.200
<v Speaker 2>You're right. I mean when we got to Memorial and

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 2>he was leading, you were making the joke and many

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>others like, is Ben Griffin the best player in the world,

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.320
<v Speaker 2>And he kind of was not. He wasn't better than Scotti,

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 2>but he kind of was like playing at a level

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 2>over a short period of time, not sustained, but a

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>short period of time that matched up with just about anybody.

0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>So I do think this is the year that Ben

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Griffin became a legitimate PGA Tour player, right, he became

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to use the word star, but when

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:43.200
<v Speaker 2>we look at the Ryder Cup this year, he's one

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>of the Americans you have the most confidence in, which

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.400
<v Speaker 2>is both at testament to his game and some of

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 2>the weakness of the back end of Team USA. But

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Ben Griffin is not doing this in a fluky way.

0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>He's picked up a lot of speed. He's an excellent

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 2>driver of the golf ball now. He gains shots with

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>his irons basically every week. So the ball striking is stay. Yeah,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 2>this is a story of a steady assent and a

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 2>player who's twenty nine kind of peaking at the right time,

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and we could see a really good two to three

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 2>year run. Maybe I'd be surprised if it lasts much

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 2>longer than that, but.

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I think it's important. You know, the Ben Griffin ilk,

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the Ben Griffin run here feels very like Max homa

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 1>E in terms of the age range. Sure, like how

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>they got there like a slow burn. And and this

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>is the thing about pro golfers and men's pro golf

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>in particular, is there are these different buckets of players.

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>You have your generational guys that are that are going

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>to burn hot and for a long time. And that's

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Rory McElroy right now, Scott do you think I mean Scotty.

0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 1>We'll see what Scotty's in year five, right, Rory's in

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>year He's approaching twenty years being like the top fifteen

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 1>player in the world. It's wild, you know, and like

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>golf thrives when you have the twenty year guys because

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:09.839
<v Speaker 1>we're where superstars are built in this sport is over

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 1>because it's you know, what we're seeing from a dominant

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>standpoint from Scotty is is building his star very rapidly.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>But what what where superstars are built is stacking three

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to four win seasons like to two to five win

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:29.840
<v Speaker 1>seasons over ten plus years, you know. And I think like,

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>so you have those like twenty twenty year guys, you

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>have like your ten year guys, five year guys, two

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>to three year guys where they're top fifteen players, and

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>they're different levels of players in that sphere. But being

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a top ten player for two to three years, it's

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like you are like a you know, top twenty player

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>for two to three years. You are absolutely like a

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:56.840
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<v Speaker 1>And a great question is, like cam Ben Griffin be

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the Ryder coup will be a strong

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<v Speaker 1>He's assuming he make a team.

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<v Speaker 2>Assuming he makes that team, he's in good position to

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<v Speaker 2>make it as of now.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be I that's you know, undertone of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on to the US Open.

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<v Speaker 2>Big takeaway for me was course setup and how far

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 2>we've come to where players weren't even complaining that much

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>about the setup despite it being a pretty gimmicky setup,

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 2>and y I think that I'm always going to remember

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 2>what that setup looked like, the length of the rough,

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 2>how much better it was to be in bunkers than

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to be in the rough, and players not even really

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 2>complaining about it, kind of accepting it as part of

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 2>the Oakmont test. There was frustration, but I feel like

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.279
<v Speaker 2>we've come a long way from five to six years

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 2>ago when players were very quick to skewer the USGA

0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 2>for any setup that they didn't love. There were a

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 2>few complaints this year, but it was a ridiculous setup,

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:54.200
<v Speaker 2>and I think a point in time where hopefully most

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>people can realize how far equipment has come that to

0:43:58.400 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 2>protect a golf course, to protect the concept of par,

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you have to do something as ridiculous as the setup

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.759
<v Speaker 2>was at Oakmont this year. And if that golf course

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.919
<v Speaker 2>had stayed firm and fast for all four days, which

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it did not rained, it would have been completely out

0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 2>of control on the weekend and it would have been

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.440
<v Speaker 2>fun for people who like carnage, but it would not

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>have been a particularly attractive golf tournament to watch. It

0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>still wasn't with the rain, but I really hope we

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 2>can appreciate the lengths that golf course has to go

0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>to these days to even try and protect the concept

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>of par, and that was on full display at Oakmont.

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I and I ye know, I think like protecting

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>par when you I think the other takeaway I had

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>about setup that week was when when you when you

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:51.040
<v Speaker 1>try and protect par and that's your your core kind

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of goal, you then kind of restrict the ability for

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:02.800
<v Speaker 1>great players to play great agree And I think that's

0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>that's where I had a issue with the Oakmont setup

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>was I didn't feel like if somebody played a great

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>round that they could actually score, like have a great score,

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 1>because it was impossible to keep balls on certain fairways.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, you saw this with like the with the

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>back nine, and I'm all for hard holes, I'm all

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 1>for challenging the best players in the world. But you

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>saw the back nine. You could see guys get going

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 1>with ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and then you get to

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:42.359
<v Speaker 1>fourteen and you could get another one there, and then

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 1>you get to fifteen and it's, oh, you just can't

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:50.640
<v Speaker 1>hit this fairway. And it's five hundred five hundred yard

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>part four and the fairway's unhittable. So you're either in

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>this like crazy thick rough just off the fairway on

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the right and you're making a bogey probably unless you

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.359
<v Speaker 1>unless you get up and down super good lie, or

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>you hit it left in the bunker and you're gonna

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 1>make a boge there. And it was just like a

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 1>speed bump. It was just effectively like a restrictor plate

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>versus you know what five hundred plus yard par fours

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 1>are great at doing. Generally, if the fairway's hit, a

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>ble is sussing out who's playing really well, because the

0:46:24.400 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>player that's playing really well can hit the drive in

0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the fairway and then they can separate themselves with a

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:34.760
<v Speaker 1>long iron from the fairway, you know, to a challenging green.

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they make a birdie there and and this is

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a hole that routine leaves bogie. But the way that

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.440
<v Speaker 1>hole was set up was I think if I remember

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.799
<v Speaker 1>correctly offhand, it was like the fairways getting being hit

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.240
<v Speaker 1>by like twenty five percent of the field.

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 2>It was low.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 1>It was low, and it's like, okay, this is silly.

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 1>This is the idea, the idea of a test that's

0:46:56.960 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 1>not passable. You know, you're you're almost getting luck key,

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know I do want to be

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.359
<v Speaker 1>you know clear here. The way you had to hit

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.919
<v Speaker 1>that Pharaweh was hitting a draw into the fairaway, which

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>can'ts left or right for a righty. Now you had

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>to hit a draw into like a five yard pocket,

0:47:18.840 --> 0:47:25.399
<v Speaker 1>which just just not I so like to me, that

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:30.759
<v Speaker 1>was the other, you know, beyond like the technology takeaway,

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the other the other thing that was firmed up for me.

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And you saw this with like the pure chaos on Sunday.

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I'll do this one first. The Chaos on Sunday where

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you have basically twenty players that could win in the

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>last hour. That is a product. It's great for television.

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe not great for television because they couldn't

0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>even keep up with how many players. I mean, Bob

0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 1>mca tire head, Like no shots shown of him all

0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 1>day Sunday, and it's like all of a sudden, he's

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>playing eighteen. It's like, wait, this guy might win.

0:48:11.480 --> 0:48:14.200
<v Speaker 2>And his bawn was like dropped from coverage. Yes, made

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>a few bogies early, but.

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.520
<v Speaker 1>But this is all product of Okay, we're trying to

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:24.240
<v Speaker 1>protect par and in by doing that, what we're doing

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>is we are jeopardizing the merits of a championship because

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:33.640
<v Speaker 1>we're not allowing great players to to separate with with skill,

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the you know, Scotty was in the mix.

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>He obviously had a bad week on the greens which

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>held him back. But the idea of of of what

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>he did at quill Hollow I don't think was really

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.359
<v Speaker 1>available at what he did at quill Hollow and Port

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Rush wasn't really available at Oakmont. The ability for like

0:48:56.200 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>just a dominant player to take over in a moment,

0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, because the the golf course just did not

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:10.320
<v Speaker 1>allow you to consistently play well.

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.440
<v Speaker 2>And in defense of the USGA, that's what you had,

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 2>that's the way you had to set the golf course up.

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.040
<v Speaker 2>If you cared about protecting par, maybe you shouldn't.

0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Right, they cared about it.

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 1>All the entire media day was about it. The entire

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 1>pre tournament chat that they had was about par.

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, and you just can't both care about

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 2>par and put on a golf tournament that is reasonable

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>at Oakmont, right, And this is intuitive. This is a

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:41.879
<v Speaker 2>golf course that was built one hundred and twenty years

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 2>ago that has been lengthened. The greens haven't been significantly expanded,

0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and they've been turned way up, and the rough's been

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 2>grown way up. Like we're just out of scale.

0:49:50.719 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>So you know, one of the things that frustrated me

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.319
<v Speaker 1>is like the rhetoric of why it was set up

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that way was this is what phones would have won it.

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if that's true.

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 1>And like what I would say back to that is

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 1>this guy built one of the greatest golf courses in

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the world in an era where the ball went like

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:18.319
<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirty yards, so a the fairways were

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:21.239
<v Speaker 1>wider when he built it than they are now. The

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:26.640
<v Speaker 1>ball went shorter, so misses were less wide, so fairways

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>were very findable in this era. I just believe that

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that Phones would understand skill and want to present something

0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:43.279
<v Speaker 1>that rewarded deeply rewarded skill. And to me, like one

0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:46.520
<v Speaker 1>of my big takeaways with the weather and with the presentation,

0:50:47.200 --> 0:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>this tournament was a complete.

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Fluke, close to a fluke. I mean, Jada Spawn's a

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 2>great player, but Sunday was complete chaos.

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It was it was complete like we don't really know

0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 1>like Jadaspawn won, and I want to be respectful, he

0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:07.319
<v Speaker 1>won the tournament, he had an incredible finish, but we

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>walk away from that week having no clue who played

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 1>best that week.

0:51:11.560 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a tough way of framing. I don't know

0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>if I would fully go we don't know who played best,

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>but I agree like some of the shots to hit

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday were horrendous and normally you cannot get away

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 2>with doing that at a major championship unless you're doing

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 2>something magical. The rest of the tournament, he wasn't really,

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>it was just a lot of water between the club

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>face and the ball. Yet, things coming down to what

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of lives you got in the rough Again to

0:51:34.400 --> 0:51:36.920
<v Speaker 2>your point about what Phones have wanted this, Phones wouldn't

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.719
<v Speaker 2>have wanted players hoping their balls ended up in the

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:41.840
<v Speaker 2>bunker versus ending up in the rough, and that was

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the championship.

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>He would have gone with furrowed rakes. Honestly, the setup

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been better with furrowed.

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Rakes would have been pretty cool.

0:51:52.960 --> 0:51:55.520
<v Speaker 1>I would love it would be amazing is if they

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.600
<v Speaker 1>if they could go to that furrowed And for people

0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 1>that don't know what the furrowed rake are, Oakmont used

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to use these like large time rakes, So like the

0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>large time would create these like rivets in the bunkers.

0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>So your ball would maybe sit up on one of

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the high points and have like a lie that you

0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 1>would be accustomed to today in a bunker, or it

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>might sit down and it would act as almost like

0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a buried lie, and it was all chance. I would

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 1>be fascinated with Oakmont go with very low rough that

0:52:29.800 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that not low rough, but like manageable rough that that

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>entices players to take risks when they're out of position,

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 1>hitting into these crazy greens that are well protected with bunkers,

0:52:43.880 --> 0:52:47.319
<v Speaker 1>that are complete chants, and that they are desperately trying

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>to stay out of bunkers. I think this is one

0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:53.439
<v Speaker 1>of the underrated parts of the Open Championship is how

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>much players fear the pop bunkers because of the penalty

0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that they exact, and in American golf, one of the

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>issues with the US Open, I think has become that

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:08.720
<v Speaker 1>bunkers are so routine, they're so matter of fact, easy,

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 1>predictable places to dump balls for pros. I mean, they

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:17.600
<v Speaker 1>are so good out at bunkers and at Oakmont. If

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:21.920
<v Speaker 1>you reverse that dynamic where the rough was like, okay,

0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I might have a good chance here, but I also

0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 1>could get in a lot of trouble. Coupled with the

0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 1>bunkers being completely terrifying, would be a fascinating golf tournament.

0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 2>The other part you could maybe restore would be that

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.719
<v Speaker 2>rough aprons aren't keeping balls out of bunkers, that there

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 2>would be an element. I mean, it was crazy to

0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 2>look at bunkers arounds, fairway bunkers where there's these massive,

0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 2>massive tufts of rough preventing balls playing as buffers from

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>balls going into bunkers. I think the counter argument to

0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 2>your point, Andy is if you cut the rough down

0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 2>not too I know you're not saying cut it all

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.399
<v Speaker 2>the way down, but like, if it's not firm then

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>golfers are going to be able to kind of spray

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 2>it just because it's going to play so wide versus

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 2>an Open Championship, which is reliably firm. But that's just

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:12.880
<v Speaker 2>a difficulty of hosting a tournament in Pittsburgh. It's going

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:13.279
<v Speaker 2>to rain.

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's you know, an int it is

0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 1>going to rain. It's historically rain there, it's historically been soft.

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Would the Bunkers provide some of that fear of spring?

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think that'd be a cool set up.

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, I guess what's your second thing? At the

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 1>US Open, we kind of hit on it.

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Just the chaos of Sunday and seeing Sam Burns shot

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 2>on fifteen way left, Adam Scott playing poorly. That was

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a crapshoot, and JJ sponds putt on eighteen really salvage

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:56.359
<v Speaker 2>what was otherwise a really bad golf tournament. I feel

0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 2>like people are look going to look back on this

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 2>somewhat favorably because how cool that moment was. If JJ

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:05.320
<v Speaker 2>spawn doesn't make that putt, that's like one of the

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 2>most forgettable majors in the last fifteen years.

0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:13.919
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, I mean the putt was amazing. I try

0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>not to cheer, and I like threw my hands up.

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I could not cheer when that putt.

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's like one of my other takeaways

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>is I think watching somebody achieve something that is, you know,

0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 1>a true surprise is an amazing thing. I mean it

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>just JJ Spawn's you know, career coming into this. He

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>had played so few major championships, you know, and he

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>had had such poor results in major championships. You're talking

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 1>about playing five five PGA championships, missing two cuts in

0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the best finish was T thirty five, only have played

0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.960
<v Speaker 1>had played two mass you know, T twenty three and

0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the fiftieth he had played. This was his second US Open,

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and then because he won this US Open, he played

0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:12.920
<v Speaker 1>his first Open championship. You know, you're talking about a

0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 1>very inexperienced this. This was a win that came out

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.919
<v Speaker 1>of nowhere. Where it ends up, like whether it's a

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>complete flute where it like lands, is like totally dependent

0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 1>on what what does the next five years of JJ

0:56:27.000 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Spahn's career look like. And I think that that's like

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:36.680
<v Speaker 1>just a Kapelli aspect of this is, you know, the

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>setup in the way the championship was approached if if

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.880
<v Speaker 1>we're at Oakmont in ten years and we look back

0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and JJ Spawns won ten more times, they're going to

0:56:52.080 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>be really confident in the setup and what the way

0:56:55.120 --> 0:56:58.319
<v Speaker 1>they approached that tournament. Now, if in ten years we

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.799
<v Speaker 1>look back and JJ Spawn's won one more time, is

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:05.760
<v Speaker 1>does that like lead to questions about how we presented

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the golf course.

0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Which is a little results oriented in that Victor Hovlin

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 2>was right in that tournament too and could have won,

0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and we wouldn't be talking about a flukey winner at all.

0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So I think there's a lot of names. There are

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of names, you know. I think if Bob

0:57:21.920 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 1>McIntire JJ Spawn wins, it's you know, oh, that.

0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that is pretty disrespectful to Bob McIntyre. Those are

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.400
<v Speaker 2>not and those golfers are not in the same class.

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Jjspawn's great, He's not on Bob McIntyre's.

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Level, all right. The Open last fature of the year.

0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Biggest takeaway for me. Scotty Scheffler is so much better

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:50.520
<v Speaker 2>than everybody else right now, and that was clear before

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the Open Championship. But nobody's close to Scotty. If he

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 2>has his B plus game, there's no one that can

0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>even really compete with his B plus game. I think

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:04.439
<v Speaker 2>can Bryson can, But we don't know how consistently they're

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>necessarily going to show up and put in an A

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>level performance at a major. If Scotty's got his A

0:58:10.560 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 2>minus A game, nobody can keep up with him. And

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 2>he was even a little shaky from he hit some

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>uncharacteristically poor shots during this Open Championship, still blew the

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 2>field out, and some of that's a little bit of

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.600
<v Speaker 2>a flukey putting week. He was second in putting for

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the week, which you can't always expect with Scotty. But

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 2>if he has this potter figured out even a little bit,

0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 2>nobody can keep up with his A game.

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I would I would say that he he had his

0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>his A plus game or A game this week. And

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I think, like I think, what's interesting or what I

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 1>think with Scotty the his floor is so high. I

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 1>think we see his B game more than we see

0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 1>any other player's B game. And what's what really is

0:59:02.600 --> 0:59:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the variable because of the consistency from Tea to Green,

0:59:06.360 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 1>is the putter and the putter if he's at if

0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:14.160
<v Speaker 1>he's at zero in terms of putting, if he's field

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>average at putting. It's his B game. At Oakmont we

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 1>saw probably a C plus game because the putter was cold,

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and and at at Port Rush his putter was hot.

0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean I said this to somebody, but the reality

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of him at at Port Rush was he could have

0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 1>had his maybe the worst week we've seen him hit

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the ball te to green and he probably would have

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:41.360
<v Speaker 1>won because of how well he putt it.

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:43.000
<v Speaker 2>He one by four.

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:48.040
<v Speaker 1>He was he was dominant on the on the greens,

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>which is just you know, I don't think you're obviously

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>putting to the most variable skill you know, one week

0:59:54.600 --> 0:59:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to the next. Is It's why you don't see the

0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:00.040
<v Speaker 1>top putter at the top, you know, the top the

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 1>ball striking steady, it's consistent, you can rely on it

1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:06.360
<v Speaker 1>week in week out, which is why he's he's there

1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:10.120
<v Speaker 1>plus like the short game. But you know, I think

1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:16.040
<v Speaker 1>from from my standpoint with Scotty, the dominance really showed

1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:20.720
<v Speaker 1>in his in his approach to the final round. He

1:00:20.760 --> 1:00:23.960
<v Speaker 1>went out and was going to step on people's throats.

1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Also tactically I thought it was it was brilliant. Where

1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 1>the one place he was getting in trouble that week

1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:34.000
<v Speaker 1>was was when the wind was off his left with

1:00:34.040 --> 1:00:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the driver. He's hitting three woods on those holes to

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 1>just have a club that he can hold up against

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that wind, and and then you know, just not giving

1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:50.760
<v Speaker 1>away shots. The saves on on on six or on

1:00:50.840 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>seven or six and seven were.

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<v Speaker 2>Remarkable, crazy and again with I felt like he was

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<v Speaker 2>the potter didn't. It wasn't fluky. It's not like putts

1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 2>were banging the back of the cup and going in.

1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Scotty looked really comfortable on those greens, and I do

1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:14.480
<v Speaker 2>think it was a glimpse of essentially not I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to say invoke prime Tiger, but I think it

1:01:17.200 --> 1:01:19.040
<v Speaker 2>was a look at like this is about as good

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<v Speaker 2>as golf gets in twenty twenty five. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you can play on I don't think anybody else can

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<v Speaker 2>play on that level.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he In the next couple of years, they are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be It's it's must see TV. I think

1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Scotty lacks a little bit of the jois, the suaveness,

1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the presence that the gravitational pull of a lot of superstars,

1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:52.160
<v Speaker 1>But the on play dominance or the en course dominance

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<v Speaker 1>can make up for a lot of that over the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of years. If he stacks a few of these.

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<v Speaker 1>I think gang to two multiple, well, multiple major season

1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:04.560
<v Speaker 1>was a big hurdle. All the greats have had multiple

1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:11.560
<v Speaker 1>major seasons and getting that second major, it's amazing. What

1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so few majors. What multi win seasons

1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:22.040
<v Speaker 1>do to your legacy, because it's the difference between three

1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and four is is huge. And now he's set up

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<v Speaker 1>for the you know, potential career Grand Slam at Shinnakok.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a golf course that if you made a golf

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<v Speaker 1>course in the lab for Scotti Scheffler at Shinnecock Hills, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the year Scotty went from this guy's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Comparisons to Tiger seem reasonable. But who knows too this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a top ten player of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do feel confident that it is much more

1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.280
<v Speaker 2>likely than not Scotty Scheffler will be a top ten

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<v Speaker 2>player of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, like a footnote on the year is

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<v Speaker 1>is what what does this year look like? If he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the hand injury.

1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:07.480
<v Speaker 2>That probably wins another one.

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<v Speaker 1>You think he wins the Masters.

1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just meant another tournament. I don't know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Masters.

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<v Speaker 1>It might win one or two more tournaments, and he

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<v Speaker 1>got off to a slow start and and was just

1:03:20.680 --> 1:03:24.760
<v Speaker 1>not what we were accustomed to seeing from Scotty on

1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:27.440
<v Speaker 1>a stretch of tournaments that he usually dominates. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Scottsdale you know that that swing there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got he's got multiple players championships in an

1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:40.240
<v Speaker 2>Olympics and like multiple memorials. It's it's crazy what his

1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:41.200
<v Speaker 2>resume looks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like now, well that you know, there's one. You could

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<v Speaker 1>also say this this era dominance, like you know, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a little bit Devil's advocate. This has been

1:03:51.040 --> 1:03:54.440
<v Speaker 1>very very pro Scotty podcast here, I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you're you know, and part of this is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I get Sean Martin, friend of the pod,

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<v Speaker 1>was like you you got to stop mentioning the open

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<v Speaker 1>like at this point, like you you're looking for reasons

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<v Speaker 1>like why something might not happen because it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>you're going there, like you know, part of the interest

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<v Speaker 1>is is is what why it might not happen? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>But Scotty's run has happened when you know, they went

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<v Speaker 1>to these smaller field signature events in response to Live

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<v Speaker 1>so the fields are small that he's beating. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying, but what this does is it reduces the

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<v Speaker 1>number of players that could just have like an out

1:04:36.600 --> 1:04:39.600
<v Speaker 1>of body experience for a week. You know, they're basically

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<v Speaker 1>is half the size. And then you took substantial amount

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<v Speaker 1>of stars from the tour that could, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>they're when they have their A game, be somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>stands in and takes down Scotty. And I think, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't listen, I don't think this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a factor that would prohibit Scotty from being an all timer, right,

1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:07.600
<v Speaker 1>But I do think this is a factor that would say, hey,

1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe he wouldn't have as many wins here.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually kind of disagree. My counter would be that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>But also five years ago we didn't put all the

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<v Speaker 2>best players in the world in signature events either, and

1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Scotty's dominating those and when he goes to major championships,

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<v Speaker 2>he's winning by four or five shots as well. You

1:05:28.240 --> 1:05:32.560
<v Speaker 2>can throw go ahead, throw Bryson rom Nieman, throw some

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys in signature event fields. Maybe they pick

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<v Speaker 2>off one or two over the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>but Scotty's still an Olympian. I think he'd still have

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<v Speaker 2>the same number of players, championships and memorials, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>think his resume would look just about the same. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good point. It's fair. Maybe Bryson he has

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<v Speaker 2>that upside that he could pick off a win that

1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Scotty grabbed, but I don't think his resume looks a

1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:56.520
<v Speaker 2>whole lot different without these lift guys.

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<v Speaker 1>My big question may be Rom.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone, but he doesn't want to He doesn't even want

1:06:01.640 --> 1:06:01.919
<v Speaker 2>to live.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's I think there's the deterioration is the

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<v Speaker 1>other piece of this with what's happened to so many

1:06:09.920 --> 1:06:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of the big names that have gone over that's gone

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<v Speaker 1>over there, and how they their games just really deteriorated.

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<v Speaker 2>And the question I guess on Ram, which maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have time to get into, but is that a

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<v Speaker 2>function of going to live or was he not one

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<v Speaker 2>of these like what is the state of John Ram?

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<v Speaker 2>He had a disappointing year this year in majors it

1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.360
<v Speaker 2>was fine, he got in the mix of the PGA,

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<v Speaker 2>but is John rom going to be somebody that two

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<v Speaker 2>years from now has that staying power and he's racking

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<v Speaker 2>up top fives in major championships right to what extent

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<v Speaker 2>do you attribute the deterioration and performance to going to

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<v Speaker 2>live versus John Rahm's overall quality as a golfer.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, let's let's get into we I had

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<v Speaker 1>you pull up disappointing players. I have some disappointing players

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<v Speaker 1>real quick. By second thing about the Open? Was Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Godder up? Just the run he was on? What was

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<v Speaker 1>your second thing? It's still fresh in everybody's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it's really hard to coordinate the global golf calendar,

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<v Speaker 2>but getting big golf tournaments in somebody's home country is

1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:12.600
<v Speaker 2>extremely important, and the scenes of Rory McElroy I will

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<v Speaker 2>never ever forget. You know, maybe when Hindeki Matsuyama is

1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:18.600
<v Speaker 2>a great player, like you, make an effort to get

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<v Speaker 2>a strong field in Japan like we Maybe when John

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<v Speaker 2>Rahm is a great player, you have to make some

1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:28.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of effort to elevate the Spanish Open. But again,

1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:30.920
<v Speaker 2>that requires a lot of coordination from different tours, from

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<v Speaker 2>major from governing bodies. But I think there should be

1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:36.960
<v Speaker 2>a concerted effort to recreate those kinds of scenes because

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<v Speaker 2>it was something special and I think the legends of

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<v Speaker 2>the game deserve to be celebrated that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a that's an interesting point. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you think about the new PGA Tour CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Brian rollapp his experience with the NFL and making a

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<v Speaker 1>global sport. You know, you could look at if if Ludwig,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ascends to an elite level, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>get one event in Sweden? Because what that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>do is it's going to attract a fan base of

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<v Speaker 1>of PGA Tour viewers that you might not have gotten,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but it's it's I think like the level

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<v Speaker 1>of player that that presents is so rare that you

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<v Speaker 1>could make it an exception. I think that's that's a

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<v Speaker 1>good idea. What let's do disappointing players, then we'll do impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>We had. The other category I had was impressive non winners.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is your most disappointing major championship? Season four?

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta go with Brooks Kopka. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta somebody who's won a bunch of major championships,

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<v Speaker 2>who for the first time in his career, missed cut

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<v Speaker 2>in three or four majors, did finish T. Twelve at

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<v Speaker 2>the US Open. It was kind of a factor early,

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<v Speaker 2>but then that wasn't kind of bombed out, and not

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<v Speaker 2>all missed cuts are equal. Brooks missed these cuts by

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. He missed by six shots at the Open,

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<v Speaker 2>eight shots at the PGA finished. I believe Bogie quad

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<v Speaker 2>to miss the cut at the Masters. That's so cut

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<v Speaker 2>to miss too, It's not yeah, not, it's pretty hard

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<v Speaker 2>to miss. So at this point, Brooks is pretty far

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<v Speaker 2>removed from any impressive performances in major championships. It's just

1:09:33.680 --> 1:09:36.920
<v Speaker 2>tough to look at his body of work, some of

1:09:36.920 --> 1:09:39.760
<v Speaker 2>the injuries he's been through. I don't know what his

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<v Speaker 2>competitive career looks like. I never want to doubt Brooks Kopka,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a chance we're kind of done.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I believe the rumors are that his contracts up

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<v Speaker 1>with Live. What does the next year look like for Brooks?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>He's obviously the twenty twenty three peach. He's exempt in

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<v Speaker 1>majors for the foreseeable future. I would imagine if he

1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:08.960
<v Speaker 1>does not, if he doesn't play on Live, there will

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<v Speaker 1>be a return to the PGA Tour. I'm I'm very

1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:16.679
<v Speaker 1>curious what that will look like. And you know how

1:10:16.720 --> 1:10:19.240
<v Speaker 1>they could he be the player that they build the

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<v Speaker 1>pathway back for in terms of this is what you

1:10:24.680 --> 1:10:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you do Brooks. He's a fascinating character in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of golf, just because of the dominance in

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<v Speaker 1>majors and then the the mediocrity given his his level

1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of talent and skill set in in regular events. We've

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<v Speaker 1>really never seen anything like it. And I still think

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<v Speaker 1>I still think he can pick off another one, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the the days of him being a consistent

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<v Speaker 1>force or probably probably over, and I think like a

1:11:04.439 --> 1:11:07.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of it goes to, you know, injuries and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you think back to twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen time period, he was the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>top in terms of driving a golf ball, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he's there anymore. And this is the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between being a top ten driver of the golf ball

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<v Speaker 1>and a top forty driver of the golf ball. If

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<v Speaker 1>you slip down to thirty five, that's a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people don't value what being like an elite

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<v Speaker 1>skill and how hard it is to keep yourself at

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<v Speaker 1>that elite level, in particular with the driver, and.

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<v Speaker 2>How strong of a signal good driving is right, you

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<v Speaker 2>go look at Chris goddrupstats and when he started to

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<v Speaker 2>win and what his driving performance looked like coming into

1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:54.600
<v Speaker 2>those wins. Like that's generally going to tell you the

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<v Speaker 2>state of a player swing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with that. I all right, Uh

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<v Speaker 1>mine my most disappointings Calin Morikawa. Listen, like the year

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<v Speaker 1>started and it was is more car Kawa A part

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<v Speaker 1>of this discussion with Rory Scottie Bryson at the top

1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of the game is in Xander obviously, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Xander Xander would be it just gets a pass because

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<v Speaker 1>of the injury. He's just getting a pass from me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not gonna grade this, but it this

1:12:33.160 --> 1:12:36.960
<v Speaker 1>year it wasn't great though, Like never thought he was

1:12:36.960 --> 1:12:42.559
<v Speaker 1>gonna win a tournament. Calin Markala. You just expected way

1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:45.160
<v Speaker 1>more from him, and uh, you know he has one

1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:48.080
<v Speaker 1>in a couple of years. You look at his majors

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<v Speaker 1>and he won the PGA with like you talk about

1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:56.360
<v Speaker 1>a tournament that it was completely up for grabs on

1:12:57.080 --> 1:13:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Sunday and he hit You know, I was stuck at

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<v Speaker 1>a golf architect and it got the discussion of the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth or seventeenth at at Harding Park was its driving

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<v Speaker 1>or seventeen the reachable, the reachable part four.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was sixty. Yeah, it came up and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh, Morcow hit this iconic shot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the part four created it. And the architect said, I

1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:29.320
<v Speaker 1>think that just was like a player. He was the

1:13:29.360 --> 1:13:33.559
<v Speaker 1>one player that that shot fit perfectly. Everybody was in

1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:39.439
<v Speaker 1>between driver three would and Morikawa. It was a perfect

1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:43.840
<v Speaker 1>stock driver cut like perfect golf golf hole for him,

1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and he hit it to like a couple of feet

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<v Speaker 1>And you think about that, It's like it gives him

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<v Speaker 1>two majors, Like how would we think about Kla Moricow

1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.760
<v Speaker 1>if he had one major? How would we you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And all this happened in a period of time when

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<v Speaker 1>there really weren't many fans, and you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just listen, I'm like the biggest column. More I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, out of no out of college, out of college.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I thought, Mark, how you know, Matt wolf

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<v Speaker 1>Holind and morcowa. I was always saying, more Cow is

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<v Speaker 1>the best of the three of them. You know, we

1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>look back now, I think it's more Cow has had

1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the best career by far Victor Holin, you know where

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<v Speaker 1>they go the next five years and Wolf we I

1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:34.799
<v Speaker 1>think we know where he's at. But you know that

1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that markow Holin debate will be interesting the next five years.

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<v Speaker 1>But for him, like you know, no wins in a

1:14:42.000 --> 1:14:46.200
<v Speaker 1>couple of years, he was on like a crazy trajectory.

1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:51.960
<v Speaker 2>His Open championship record is kind of ridiculous now win,

1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:56.240
<v Speaker 2>miss cut, missed cut, T sixteen, missed cut, it's kind

1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:56.759
<v Speaker 2>of crazy.

1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:02.839
<v Speaker 1>I uh yeah, I I think he's a really good player,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not a superstar, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will say that's one of my biggest scenes

1:15:11.320 --> 1:15:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I will always remember from this year is watching him

1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:15.680
<v Speaker 2>struggle on the range at Royal Port Rush after his

1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:18.280
<v Speaker 2>first round. It is one of the biggest struggle sessions

1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen out of a professional golfer. And Colin

1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:23.720
<v Speaker 2>looks like he's not in a good spot right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm with you. I think I would take Colins

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<v Speaker 2>next five years over Collins, but we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>See what who else do you have on your disappointing.

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<v Speaker 2>Less similar within a similar vein actually to Colin Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas finished T thirty six, missed cut, miss cut t

1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.519
<v Speaker 2>thirty four. He has one top thirty finish in a

1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:48.200
<v Speaker 2>major championship in his last fourteen major starts, one top

1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:52.679
<v Speaker 2>thirty finish. And I think similarly to what you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>with Colin about the two majors, and how would we

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<v Speaker 2>think about him differently if he didn't grab Harding Park,

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<v Speaker 2>How would we think about Thomas differently if he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>win that at Southern Hills. That was kind of a

1:16:05.560 --> 1:16:08.679
<v Speaker 2>fluky golf tournament. He was way out of the tournament,

1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:12.639
<v Speaker 2>comes roaring back like makes a bunch of birdies, Meadow

1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:16.960
<v Speaker 2>has to melt down for Justin to win. And other

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<v Speaker 2>than that, since then, it's been really stinky in major championships.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've been talking about Justin Thomas return to form

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<v Speaker 2>this year. Nothing to show for it in majors. He

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<v Speaker 2>won at the RBC Heritage, which I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>much stock you put in that. I don't have a

1:16:30.200 --> 1:16:32.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of confidence in Justin. At beth Page on a

1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:35.200
<v Speaker 2>golf course, you got to keep driver in play. So

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a successful year, I guess there's certain lens

1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.360
<v Speaker 2>you could look at it being a successful year. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think in terms of the things you and I

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<v Speaker 2>would value most major championship performance very far from a

1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:47.760
<v Speaker 2>successful year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You look at JT's best performances too, and they

1:16:55.479 --> 1:16:59.160
<v Speaker 1>aren't at golf courses where you would say it's the

1:16:59.200 --> 1:17:02.680
<v Speaker 1>most demand. T de Green set up. He has the

1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.720
<v Speaker 1>second place finish at the Amex, which is one of

1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:10.200
<v Speaker 1>the least demanding setups. T six at Phoenix. He always

1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>plays well at Phoenix. That's a this golf course that's

1:17:12.880 --> 1:17:16.120
<v Speaker 1>like a notorious horses for courses. T ten at riv

1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:19.600
<v Speaker 1>or T nine at riv good good finish there to

1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Tory, it was Tory good point. I forgot

1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:27.800
<v Speaker 1>about that. And then and then you had Valspar second

1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:32.800
<v Speaker 1>place finish at Valspar fairly fairly demand, but like it's

1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.519
<v Speaker 1>like middle of the road. But if you look at where,

1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:39.799
<v Speaker 1>like you know, golf courses that really demand a lot

1:17:39.800 --> 1:17:43.120
<v Speaker 1>from you T to Green, You've got you know, Pebble

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<v Speaker 1>Beach pro Am T forty eight and that's not, you know,

1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:50.240
<v Speaker 1>super demanding, but that is a major championship golf course

1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Pebble Beach. Obviously, you you need to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>right positions the century where you have a lot of

1:17:56.760 --> 1:18:00.679
<v Speaker 1>uneven lies and hitting to targets that are up and down.

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<v Speaker 1>He finishes T twenty six at the Players, it's a

1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:08.280
<v Speaker 1>T thirty three, Arnold Palmer T thirty six, the Masters,

1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:13.000
<v Speaker 1>T thirty six. We go to you know, Philly Cricket

1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:15.639
<v Speaker 1>Club was a little bit of a spray it fest

1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:18.519
<v Speaker 1>and he finishes second there, like where it was okay

1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:22.360
<v Speaker 1>to miss Fairways Memorial, a golf course in his peak,

1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like when he was playing his best golf was great

1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:28.160
<v Speaker 1>for him. This year is the T thirty one. You know,

1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:32.679
<v Speaker 1>it's to me feels like when we get the more

1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:36.519
<v Speaker 1>demanding setups, that's where he's really struggling. And it's a

1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:37.679
<v Speaker 1>a lot to do with the driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say he can't. He can't really

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<v Speaker 2>hit driver. I think that's the common denominator and all

1:18:41.960 --> 1:18:44.240
<v Speaker 2>those right, you can hit a lot of less than driver.

1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:46.519
<v Speaker 2>At the RBC Heritage where he won, somebody's p die

1:18:46.560 --> 1:18:49.519
<v Speaker 2>golf courses, just in general, the way his designs have

1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:55.200
<v Speaker 2>stood up, MX, Sawgrass, RBC Heritage, Hilton Head can kind

1:18:55.200 --> 1:18:57.080
<v Speaker 2>of get away with hitting some irons off teas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, an effort to move a little bit

1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:05.640
<v Speaker 1>quicker here. I've got Joaquin Neeman on my list. I

1:19:05.640 --> 1:19:06.679
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you had him.

1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:10.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't only because I don't. I don't expect a

1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:12.400
<v Speaker 2>ton from him in majors at this point. But it's

1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a good pick.

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<v Speaker 1>He's he won five times on live. He's been dominant.

1:19:18.040 --> 1:19:19.800
<v Speaker 1>But you know, and obviously I think some of this

1:19:19.920 --> 1:19:22.639
<v Speaker 1>is just expectations, but some of it's a game, and

1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:25.160
<v Speaker 1>it's an indictment on live. You know, he's won five

1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:28.439
<v Speaker 1>times on this tour. He's earned more money playing on

1:19:28.520 --> 1:19:31.920
<v Speaker 1>live than Sky Scheffler's earned, you know, on the PGA.

1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:34.839
<v Speaker 1>On the PGA Tour, you know, he's won five times.

1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to like the wind is a win,

1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, but you look at some of the people

1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:43.519
<v Speaker 1>he's being, you know, one of the in Virginia, he

1:19:43.560 --> 1:19:48.160
<v Speaker 1>beats uh Lahiri and McDowell, Graham McDowell was doing broadcasting

1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:51.559
<v Speaker 1>at the Open last week. He beat Bubba Watson, you know,

1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:55.880
<v Speaker 1>his runner up, and uh, you know, obviously he had

1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.320
<v Speaker 1>some where. You know, he beat Brooks at in Singapore,

1:19:59.439 --> 1:20:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and he beat Bryson in Mexico City. But then you

1:20:02.800 --> 1:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the majors and it's just like, okay, so

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:09.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy's just dominating, dominating live and it's T twenty

1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:13.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight miscut, miss cut, and I just I don't know.

1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I it's just it's just such a juxtaposition in terms

1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:21.559
<v Speaker 1>of what he's doing on the live tour and how

1:20:21.760 --> 1:20:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and the performances in majors. And my last one was

1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:35.840
<v Speaker 1>was Patrick Cantley three miss cuts the Sheerherd Majors. You know,

1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:39.599
<v Speaker 1>he he was a top ten player for a very

1:20:39.640 --> 1:20:42.679
<v Speaker 1>long time. And I just wonder if we're if we're

1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:47.080
<v Speaker 1>in the era now of Patrick Cantley being the top thirty,

1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:49.920
<v Speaker 1>top forty guy and that's just where we're at.

1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:52.559
<v Speaker 2>That would be hard to believe. I just view him

1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:55.120
<v Speaker 2>as two different golfers, Like he's a PGA Tour. He's

1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:57.639
<v Speaker 2>a top eight player on the PGA Tour, and when

1:20:57.680 --> 1:20:59.559
<v Speaker 2>we get to majors, he's kind of a pumpkin.

1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:02.800
<v Speaker 1>But he has been a top eight player this year

1:21:02.840 --> 1:21:03.240
<v Speaker 1>on tour.

1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:06.439
<v Speaker 2>No, I think he'll probably get back there, but yeah,

1:21:06.479 --> 1:21:06.840
<v Speaker 2>we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>My other playoffs point playoffs is Pete Pete can't lay time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good caves to Valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Brings out his best. Uh. Yeah. My other disappoint was

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy Fleetwood. I think you can make a case that

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy Fleetwood's a top five to six player in the

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<v Speaker 2>world right now, still has absolutely nothing to show for it,

1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:29.080
<v Speaker 2>and having one of the best years of his career,

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<v Speaker 2>still hasn't won. Choked away the Travelers there his major

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<v Speaker 2>performance is T twenty one, T forty one, MC, and

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<v Speaker 2>T sixteen. This is Tommy Fleetwood's first year without a

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<v Speaker 2>top five in a major since twenty twenty one. All

1:21:44.840 --> 1:21:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the way through the bag, Tommy Fleetwood's good. He flushes

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<v Speaker 2>it like this is a player who should be in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix at a major. I see you laughing. You're

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<v Speaker 2>probably coming back with Tommy Fleetwood's just overrated, But this

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<v Speaker 2>should be a golfer who's a top considered a top

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<v Speaker 2>ten player, and I think it's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 2>consider him that right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not going to come back with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to come back with I think that Travelers, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is like lasting scar tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, when you see somebody of his talent that

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't gotten it done on the PGA Tour, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>level of doubt that has to be rattling around in

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<v Speaker 1>that brain. And what happened at Travelers the way it

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<v Speaker 1>happened has to have accentuated that doubt, and I just

1:22:35.160 --> 1:22:38.759
<v Speaker 1>think it's going to be a minute until he gets back.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's that's just something that's going to shake

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried if he'll ever get fully back from it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be completely honest, that was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was hard. It was hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thirty four like we'll see. But this year there

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<v Speaker 2>should have been a little bit more hope he plays

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<v Speaker 2>well at the Ryder Cup, because otherwise this is a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of lost year when he was striping it.

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<v Speaker 1>Most impressive non winners.

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<v Speaker 2>Do me just list him off or go through them all?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how uh I sump.

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<v Speaker 1>We both have Harris English on or less.

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<v Speaker 2>Have Harris English only player besides Scott. He'd have two

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<v Speaker 2>top twos in a major this year, also has a

1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>win to his name earlier in the year at Tory Pines.

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<v Speaker 2>I think of all the Americans we mentioned Ben Griffin

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<v Speaker 2>potentially being a good Ryder Copper, I'd put Harris English

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<v Speaker 2>very high on my list.

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<v Speaker 1>He should play a lot too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, how many Americans would you feel better about?

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<v Speaker 2>I would feel way better about Harris English than Justin

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas right now. Not even close.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, listen, he's he's been he's been awesome

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<v Speaker 1>this year. And it's not just that he's been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the T twos and in the win he's

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<v Speaker 1>been good. He's been consistently good all year, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I just I Harris English and yeah, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>like he overcame like a pretty gnarly injury and I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people thought that he was going

1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:12.479
<v Speaker 1>to be involved with one one Ryder Cup and never back.

1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And he's had like he's a sneaky had a really

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<v Speaker 1>really good career on the PGA Tour, like a sneaky,

1:24:21.800 --> 1:24:25.519
<v Speaker 1>like pretty pretty stout career. I mean, he's got six wins,

1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot of like he's been just he's

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<v Speaker 1>been relevant for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Feels almost a little Billy Horsell like like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>that level of relevant for ten to twelve years, some

1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:40.679
<v Speaker 2>legitimately big wins and a lot of consistent ball striking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So another I had a shout out Matt Fitzpatrick.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his recent resurgence. This was the sixth player

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<v Speaker 2>in the world a couple of years ago major Champion

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<v Speaker 2>won the US Opening.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he predicted he got to he would get

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<v Speaker 1>to number one. This feels like redemption for you coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I said number one, definitely said

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<v Speaker 2>top five. I might have said number one. Matt Fitzpatrick

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<v Speaker 2>was on an awesome trajectory and I kind of lost

1:25:08.400 --> 1:25:10.120
<v Speaker 2>some faith over the last couple of years when the

1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:13.200
<v Speaker 2>ball striking really plummeted. He's had some injuries, but to

1:25:13.240 --> 1:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>see him with two top tens in a major this year,

1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:19.960
<v Speaker 2>legitimate chance of winning the Open Championship, a player who's

1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:21.479
<v Speaker 2>been down in the dumps a little bit the last

1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of years. Now I think, I mean he's the

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<v Speaker 2>favorite this week at the Window. Not that that's the

1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:28.519
<v Speaker 2>biggest tournament in the world, but met Fitzpatrick is close

1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to being fully back now up to ranked fortieth in

1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>the world. Pretty exciting next twelve months for him if

1:25:34.040 --> 1:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you can continue on this trajectory.

1:25:36.160 --> 1:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he plummeted head bad. And this is one

1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>of the things that makes golf great is like you see,

1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>guys that it golf is fleeting, having it, having the formula,

1:25:54.600 --> 1:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>having the belief and having the right feel and your

1:26:00.960 --> 1:26:05.479
<v Speaker 1>golf swing is a fleeting aspect. And it's I always

1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>think that that players get get more compelling when they

1:26:10.960 --> 1:26:14.960
<v Speaker 1>go through something, and Matt Fitzpatrick to me, is a

1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:18.639
<v Speaker 1>more interesting golfer for the you know, human interest piece

1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>because we saw him go from you know, top of

1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:26.320
<v Speaker 1>top of his career in short in fairly short order

1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:29.120
<v Speaker 1>to the to near the bottom of his career with

1:26:29.360 --> 1:26:31.479
<v Speaker 1>like where he got to you know, he was he

1:26:31.600 --> 1:26:33.599
<v Speaker 1>was baddy, I mean he went. It's hard to go

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<v Speaker 1>from six in the world to eighty fifth in the

1:26:36.640 --> 1:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>world like he was. And you know, just now coming back,

1:26:42.280 --> 1:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I just I love when players have kind of these

1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:49.519
<v Speaker 1>these ups and downs. I think that you know, Justin

1:26:49.560 --> 1:26:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Thomas has gotten way more compelling and I think like

1:26:54.720 --> 1:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>when he talks there's a lot more substance to it

1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>now that he's he's gone through some struggles in his

1:27:01.720 --> 1:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>career and just come back, Like, I think he's just

1:27:04.080 --> 1:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>more you know that It's it's great to see when

1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>these guys come back from from struggles.

1:27:12.960 --> 1:27:17.599
<v Speaker 2>And all due respect to Matt Fitzpatrick, He's not Dustin Johnson.

1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have the physical talent that you know, he

1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>can just step back up out there. And like when

1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>you see Matt Fitzpatrick in person, it's it's kind of

1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:29.360
<v Speaker 2>shocking that that's a top ten player in the world

1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:31.519
<v Speaker 2>or top ten caliber player in the world. So I

1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:33.840
<v Speaker 2>just think that's probably with a player like that a

1:27:33.840 --> 1:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit more likely that when their game dips, they

1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>have a harder time recovering and they don't have the

1:27:37.880 --> 1:27:40.479
<v Speaker 2>physical talent that some of these top guys in the

1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:42.960
<v Speaker 2>world have. So to see him do it, that's that's

1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>just sheer hard work.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got Aryl Hatton all right. I think, like a

1:27:50.360 --> 1:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, we wondered, is TERRYL. Hatton just

1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like a PGA Tour player who or DP World Tour

1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>player who plays well. This year, I thought he had

1:28:03.360 --> 1:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>two pretty good chances to win majors. Obviously he was

1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.120
<v Speaker 1>very in the mix of the US Open, could have

1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>won that. And then I think at the Open Championship

1:28:12.200 --> 1:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>through thirty six holes, he was one of the guys

1:28:14.439 --> 1:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>that you circled as like, this guy could win this tournament.

1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>A couple of things didn't go, you know, he didn't

1:28:19.280 --> 1:28:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have the weekend he was looking at. But I think,

1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Terrell Hatten's turned himself into from a

1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>guy that turned into pumpkin at major championships to a

1:28:29.160 --> 1:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>guy that is on your your kind of first page

1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:37.240
<v Speaker 1>of favorites at every type of major venue. And he's

1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>done this. This is one of the few players that

1:28:39.240 --> 1:28:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I think since going to Live has gotten better.

1:28:42.640 --> 1:28:44.360
<v Speaker 2>He was in the mix of pinehers last year too.

1:28:44.560 --> 1:28:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I just think he's been He's turned himself

1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.800
<v Speaker 1>into a really nice major championship player and it was

1:28:50.880 --> 1:28:53.000
<v Speaker 1>in you know, this is one of the hard things

1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:55.559
<v Speaker 1>with the majors is the sample size. It's so small,

1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>but early in his career it just wasn't happening, and

1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that can be some of it sometimes, Like I think,

1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:02.960
<v Speaker 1>like we make so much of some of this stuff,

1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>but like sometimes you know, having everything clicking for an

1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:10.120
<v Speaker 1>individual week is really hard to do with golf. It's

1:29:10.240 --> 1:29:13.160
<v Speaker 1>really hard to get everything work and the right like

1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the way you need it to work to contend deep

1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:19.439
<v Speaker 1>into these majors for certain weeks. But Terrell hadden't I

1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>think found something in the majors. And then my last

1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>one is Ben Griffin, who we talked about earlier to

1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:27.559
<v Speaker 1>top tens kind of out of nowhere, and I think,

1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:30.599
<v Speaker 1>like from my standpoint, like what makes me most high

1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:32.599
<v Speaker 1>on Ben Griffin is the fact that he has played

1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:35.679
<v Speaker 1>well at the most some of the most demanding setups

1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in golf.

1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>My last one is Bobby McIntyre. Two top tens this

1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>year and a real chance of winning the US Openly.

1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I think he might be at the top of my

1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>list of this golfer could win a major and it

1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>would surprise people who don't pay that much attention to golf.

1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>But he's one of the most likely legit great player.

1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Now he's won twice. You won the Scottish last year

1:29:56.640 --> 1:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and the Canadian. Now he's taken his game to enough

1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:04.640
<v Speaker 2>level with major championship performance. Really good driver of the

1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:08.360
<v Speaker 2>golf ball. Twenty eight years old. I think that's somebody

1:30:08.840 --> 1:30:11.840
<v Speaker 2>who next year is pretty primed to make a run

1:30:12.080 --> 1:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>in a major championship late. So really impressive step forward

1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:15.920
<v Speaker 2>for Bobby this year.

1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Another person in the vein of Harris English where you

1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>thought he might be a one and done Ryer cupper,

1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and now it looks like he might be a fixture

1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:24.759
<v Speaker 1>on the team for years to come.

1:30:25.920 --> 1:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Could be one of their best players this year.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Joseph An any lasting major thoughts that you

1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:34.639
<v Speaker 1>need to get out, get off I.

1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Don't think so. I mean, it's pretty incredible to reflect

1:30:37.479 --> 1:30:41.479
<v Speaker 2>on this year that Rory McElroy completed the career Grand Slam,

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Scotty Scheffler, potential all time great, won twice. Like, it

1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>was a pretty incredible major championship season. So I think

1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:52.760
<v Speaker 2>just appreciation for getting to watch, especially Scotty in what

1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>feels like his prime and that it doesn't feel like

1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it's going anywhere soon. I think, what would you put

1:30:57.960 --> 1:30:59.599
<v Speaker 2>the odds that he wins a major at least one

1:30:59.640 --> 1:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>next year. I think it's very.

1:31:01.080 --> 1:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>High, probably even money at least. Yeah, I uh, it's

1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, next year sets up great for him.

1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:16.160
<v Speaker 1>You know. Birkdale is is allouded for its fairness. Shinnecock Hills,

1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:19.879
<v Speaker 1>I think is like pretty similar to port Rush, uh

1:31:19.960 --> 1:31:23.760
<v Speaker 1>with with how you know the targets and the rejecting

1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>nature of a lot of the greens and just the

1:31:28.080 --> 1:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, the conditions that you're going to play in

1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the topography. And then obviously Augusta National is great and

1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, I mean, you know, we could talk them

1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:41.639
<v Speaker 1>blue in the face, like what are the best best

1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>teeter green player in the world and where it doesn't

1:31:45.360 --> 1:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>work for you. You know, yeah, I I I think

1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>going into next year. You know the Scottie, like, does

1:31:57.080 --> 1:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>he The list of players that have won BOLTI Majors

1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>in multiple seasons is very small. I think it's like

1:32:04.840 --> 1:32:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Tiger Jack and Ben Hogan.

1:32:07.880 --> 1:32:11.439
<v Speaker 2>That's a cool thing to keep an eye on. You know.

1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>If he went to multiple and he's at six, I mean,

1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>then it's like giddy up, you know, where are we going?

1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I think he turns thirty on at the US Open

1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>next year, maybe Sunday. I think Sunday. I saw that

1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the Sunday of the US Open next year is his

1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>thirtieth birthday and he could complete the Grand Slam that day.

1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh early storyline. That is some catnep for next year,

1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:38.920
<v Speaker 2>right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Birthday career, Grand Slam, birthday, boy thirty birthday, third big

1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>birthday too, you know, Landmark Birthday. So all right, Joseph,

1:32:48.280 --> 1:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>thank you for all your on the ground coverage. You

1:32:51.680 --> 1:32:55.240
<v Speaker 1>went to two majors this year, and everybody can read

1:32:55.280 --> 1:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>your stuff. On Wednesday, I think you've got you got

1:32:58.920 --> 1:33:02.360
<v Speaker 1>a Q and a coming soon, got a Q.

1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:04.800
<v Speaker 2>And a coming with a golfer who's involved in a

1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.840
<v Speaker 2>big scene at last year's Windham Championship. So excited about that.

1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Is that going up today or Thursday morning? Yeah, Thursday morning,

1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>so when most people will be listening to that, it

1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>will be available. Thank you and we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy, Thank you for listening to another edition of Friday

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Podcast. Big thanks to PJ. Clark for editing and

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<v Speaker 1>producing this podcast, and we will be back next week