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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, what's up. It's your girl Trica Pasta Brasby.

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Speaker 3: You know, I gotta give.

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Speaker 4: It to you what it do? This is your girl

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Speaker 4: Cheryl Swoops.

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Speaker 3: What's up, y'all? Hey, what's going on? Y'all?

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Speaker 2: And welcome to another episode of Levels to This. This

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Speaker 2: is the podcast where we always keep it real and

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Speaker 2: we talk about the shit that women go through. And

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking about a lot of shit that

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Speaker 2: women are going through on this podcast today, specifically the

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Speaker 2: women in the WNBA and how they need to get

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Speaker 2: they coins. But before we go there, we gotta catch

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Speaker 2: up Suro like what's going what's going on with you?

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Speaker 2: Says like, how was you went to Alaska this past week?

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Speaker 5: Did?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I did? First time ever? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's so crazy, don't y'all.

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Speaker 4: Don't judge me. Don't laugh at me. You can laugh

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Speaker 4: at me. I don't care, but don't judge me. I was,

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Speaker 4: I know, I never I've never been to Alaska.

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Speaker 1: And even though I know that Alaska is a part

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Speaker 1: of the United States, I asked my husband.

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Speaker 4: I said, baby, do I need a passport to go

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Speaker 4: to Alaska?

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Speaker 3: Ma'am?

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Speaker 4: He was way, wait, wait, he was like. He didn't

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Speaker 4: say ma'am.

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Speaker 1: He just ignored me, and I was like hello, And

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Speaker 1: then he looked at me he said, did you really

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Speaker 1: ask me that? Like I think I knew the answer.

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Speaker 1: But here's here's why I asked that. One I've never been,

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Speaker 1: but two, like it was at almost an all day

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Speaker 1: travel Will you get there?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, am I going to another

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Speaker 4: Y'all can laugh in judgment.

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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, you do have to go

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Speaker 2: over another country to get to Alaska?

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Speaker 4: Facts? Facts?

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Speaker 1: But I was in Wrangel, Alaska, population of two thousand people.

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Speaker 1: But te, I gotta tell you, like it was a

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Speaker 1: work trip, but it was also a mini vaca for me.

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Speaker 1: I got to do a camp with Jordan, but I

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Speaker 1: just I had some me time. My view was like

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Speaker 1: right on the water, it was so beautiful, the people

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Speaker 1: were amazing. It was a great time. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: I will absolutely go back. I loved my time there

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Speaker 1: in Alaska was the weather was beautiful.

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Speaker 4: It was a great trip.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. I'm excited about that for you.

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't go on a cruise though. I mean, listen, okay,

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Speaker 1: my cruise was everything.

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Speaker 3: I needed.

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Speaker 4: That crew I need, we crews. We know.

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Speaker 3: I came back.

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Speaker 2: I came back so refreshed. But I've been trying to

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Speaker 2: go to Alaska for years. I used to watch the

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Speaker 2: show called Ain't No used to I still watch the

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Speaker 2: show called Life Below Zero.

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Speaker 3: I started watching it during the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and all these people live a subsistence lifestyle and

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Speaker 2: they hunt and gather their own food, and they make

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, I won't be able to.

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Speaker 2: Do it, like I can't survive, but I would love

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Speaker 2: to see how y'all do it? Like I want to

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Speaker 2: go to Alaska now and so and Liah's cat. Yes, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: that was like my husband's favorite show dead lis Ca.

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Speaker 3: See what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Life below zero is my is my joint, Like

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Speaker 2: I love, I am so obsessed with Alaska. So we

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Speaker 2: into death into sure doing and all that good stuff,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, but this week for me, I actually he

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Speaker 2: went to Monday Night Raw. I went to a wrestling

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Speaker 2: even though it was a great time. I was sad

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Speaker 2: because my favorite wrestler did not appear. There was no

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Speaker 2: Jay Uso, and I was like that, yet I got on. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I did not get to YEAT. I did not get to.

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Speaker 6: Yeats, and I am in my feelings about not getting

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Speaker 6: to Yeat. I was supposed to be thousands of other fans. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I have my jusot on, I have my glasses.

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Speaker 2: I was ready, do you hear me? I was practicing.

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Speaker 2: I was ready, and he never He never showed up.

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Speaker 4: No, I know was he supposed to be there?

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Speaker 2: Well, Monday Night Raw is like typically his show because

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Speaker 3: So I know Raw is his show.

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Speaker 2: And he had just performed at SummerSlam in New York

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Speaker 2: this past weekend, So I was like, okay, you in

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Speaker 2: well not you know, New York, New Jersey, met life,

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Speaker 3: The Barclay's like that ain't shit, so he should be there.

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Speaker 2: And then other wrestlers came out whom he usually associates with,

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Speaker 2: So I was like, Bay, it's coming. I'm gonna wait

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Speaker 2: then the next day I saw on the Titan trom

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Speaker 2: for coming to Monday Night, Raw, We hope you had

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Speaker 2: a great time.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, so.

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Speaker 1: Even though he didn't show up, did you have a

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Speaker 1: good time or no, I had a fantastic time.

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Speaker 2: I will be going back on September fifteenth. On September fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: they will be in Springfield, Massachusetts at the mass Mutual Center,

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Speaker 2: which is thirty minutes away from my house. So I

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Speaker 2: don't have to drive two and a half hours how

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Speaker 2: to get to the show. It's thirty minutes. So I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm already in there. I'm already in there. Yeah, take

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Speaker 2: my money, take my money.

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Speaker 4: Wwe I hate that for you.

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Speaker 3: I did it really It really upset me.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, though, you know what else upsets

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Speaker 2: me when Petail don't get paid. And that's what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about today, people who are not getting paid and

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Speaker 2: by people we mean the women of the WNBA. And

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Speaker 2: so we have an incredible guest who is going to

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Speaker 2: be joining us today to help us talk more about

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Speaker 2: what needs to happen to ensure that these women can

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Speaker 2: get what they rightfully deserve. And with that, yes, so

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Speaker 2: let's just go ahead and take this thing to the

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Speaker 2: next level. So we always say that we're super excited

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Speaker 2: And so today we are incredibly excited because we are

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Speaker 2: joined by the one and only Tamika Tremalio. Okay, she

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Speaker 3: She literally led the charge on.

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Speaker 2: One of the most impactful CBA in NBA history, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three NBA Collective Barneying Agreement, where she's secured more

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Speaker 2: than two hundred and fifty million dollars in annual salary

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Speaker 2: and benefits increase for the players. She is about her coins, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Because she's about her coins.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: But some people may not realize that she also played

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Speaker 2: a role in the twenty twenty WNBA negotiations and now

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Speaker 2: she's leading the global sports consulting at the Secretariat, and

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Speaker 2: so I am excited to welcome Tamika to the show.

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Speaker 2: So Tamika, welcome and thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, youka know each other well, Tamika

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Speaker 1: ain't just about the coins.

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Speaker 4: Tamika is about buddy back.

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Speaker 3: She's about the bag.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for.

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Speaker 1: Herself, for the players, like all the things. And I

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Speaker 1: am just so excited to be having this conversation having

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Speaker 1: her on the show because Tamika, it's so many things

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Speaker 1: out there, so many I'll say it, ignorant people out

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Speaker 4: Just anyway.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm so glad you're here because you can

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Speaker 1: shed a lot of knowledge on past negotiations and you know,

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Speaker 1: lots of questions.

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Speaker 8: That we have that the people out there have.

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Speaker 1: So again, looking gorgeous as beautiful as ever.

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Speaker 4: Just thank you for joining us all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So first and foremost, before we get into the

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Speaker 2: Cheryl have seen each other in a long time, so

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Speaker 2: y'all clearly know each other, have a past relationship. Can

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Speaker 3: Dirt own show?

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Speaker 5: I wish I could thank you telling you that. Every

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Speaker 5: time I see sha'all, I want to bow down. You know,

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Speaker 5: everybody wants some bowls down. I mean, get a Olympic

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Speaker 5: gold medalist. I mean, you could name Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's amazing to just be on the same

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Speaker 7: So to me, that's all I can say.

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Speaker 3: I can't find a single person.

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Speaker 4: You're a hater.

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Speaker 7: You're a hater.

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Speaker 2: I have been trying to get some dirt own shehryl

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Speaker 2: for over a year now, and nobody will spill it.

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Speaker 4: So to me, I keep telling her she's she's talking to.

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Speaker 1: The wrong people. You talking to the wrong people. And

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Speaker 1: I ain't giving you that list. I'm not giving you

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Speaker 1: that other list.

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Speaker 3: You just wait, you just wait.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna come across it is who got that dirt

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Tamika, you've been in this business and in

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Speaker 2: this industry for what over thirty years now? Were you

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Speaker 2: surprised that the WNBA players opted out of their CBA

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Speaker 5: I was not surprised. In fact, I think it was

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Speaker 5: quite expected, particularly in light of how well the WNBA

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Speaker 7: I absolutely expected that they would do.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to start with the most recent conversation

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Speaker 1: that you know, is all over social media, and that

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Speaker 1: is from the All Star Game with the players wearing

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Speaker 1: the T shirt pay us what you owe us? When

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Speaker 1: you saw that, what was the first thing that kind

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Speaker 1: of popped in your mind?

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Speaker 5: To Maka, Well, I will say that too, was not

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Speaker 5: surprising because the women have always been local around equity,

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Speaker 5: and when they talk about equity, they don't mean.

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Speaker 7: You know, simply what you pay us, right, but you

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Speaker 7: know to the point that you.

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Speaker 5: Started with today, but the whole bag, right, yeah, because

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Speaker 5: that's really what it's all about.

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Speaker 7: So I was not an all surprise.

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Speaker 5: There have been lots of conversations about you know, the

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Speaker 5: two point two billion dollar media deal, the you know,

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Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty million dollar team that was just purchased,

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Speaker 5: the fact that viewership has gone up one hundred and

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Speaker 5: forty percent, So it is no surprise that our women

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Speaker 7: And say pay us what you owe us. That was

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Speaker 7: not at all surprise.

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Speaker 5: They did it in the bubble doing it on their behalf,

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Speaker 3: Because of what happened.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think they are very serious. I do

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Speaker 5: It would not behoove anyone, quite honestly, for there to

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Speaker 1: In saying that, right that, you think they're very serious

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, the truth is, I don't know

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Speaker 7: And at this point, who has more to lose? Right?

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Speaker 5: So they're being very intentional about the decisions that they're making,

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Speaker 2: You know, you've had to do this on the NBA

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think what First of all, I think

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 5: What's happened previously is that the revenue share was ideally

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Speaker 5: That's not how it's done. However, it was absolutely a

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Speaker 7: Our salaries in singing significantly? Right?

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Speaker 5: So I will just say I think there has to

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Speaker 7: About eleven million dollars.

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Speaker 5: Now, the women are not saying, pay me the same

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Speaker 7: They'reabout right.

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Speaker 7: Sit here and say that just doesn't feel right to.

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Speaker 4: The math a math in you can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the mathe math the mathe methin.

445
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Speaker 2: And what's crazy about that is that when you look

446
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: at valuations of w NBA teams now, they have significantly

447
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: increased over the last couple of years. You look at

448
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: Mark Davis, he bought that team for what was it,

449
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: a couple of million dollars? Now the Aces are worth

450
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 2: like five hundred million dollars. You look at Joe and

451
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Clara Woosi the Liberty, I'm worth like two hundred plus

452
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: million dollars. Like it is crazy when it comes to valuation.

453
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Speaker 2: But my follow up, though, is do you see parallels

454
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Speaker 2: as it relates to negotiation from NBA to WNBA? And

455
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Speaker 2: by that I don't necessarily mean like the actual monetary value,

456
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Speaker 2: I mean the approach in negotiation, because.

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Speaker 3: Here's why I ask.

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Speaker 2: It feels like women have to negotiate more originally, more

459
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: creatively than it is when you're negotiating with for and

460
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Speaker 2: buy men. And so I'm curious to know if that

461
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: plays a role and if you see any parallels between

462
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 2: coming to the negotiation table as the NBA versus coming

463
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Speaker 2: to the negotiation table with the WNBA.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's a great question, and I do think

465
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Speaker 5: there are, you know, very much similarities.

466
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Speaker 7: Right, it's women negotiating with women, so we.

467
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Speaker 5: Aren't It isn't necessarily like they're being treated differently just

468
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Speaker 5: simply because they're women. Right, The reality is is that

469
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Speaker 5: they are to some extent. In the past, it hadn't

470
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Speaker 5: been as lucrative right as the w is now, and

471
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Speaker 5: so that was always something to sort of fall back on, like, oh,

472
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Speaker 5: not enough people are watching, you know, the viewership isn't

473
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Speaker 5: as high, the media deals aren't as high, and so

474
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Speaker 5: everybody could kind of get around that. And I would

475
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Speaker 5: always say to people, well, you need to buy tickets, right,

476
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Speaker 5: you need to have butts in sea, right. So now

477
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: people are doing that, and so now it is leveling

478
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 5: the playing field and so they can start to have

479
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Speaker 5: some substantive discussions and negotiations. I don't think that they're

480
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Speaker 5: treating them any differently because they're women versus men. I

481
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Speaker 5: think what you're seeing is the distinction between the league

482
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Speaker 5: and a player, and there is you know, that has

483
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Speaker 5: been tested time and time again, and I think we

484
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Speaker 5: are still seeing that. And the fact that we hear

485
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Speaker 5: our players saying, you know, the valuation of teams of

486
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Speaker 5: skyrocket and and you know, their compensation isn't growing at

487
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Speaker 5: the same amount.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's where he said, Wow.

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Speaker 5: You know, people are like, well, you're making a lot

490
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Speaker 5: of money whatever that means, right, and making again versus

491
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Speaker 5: having because that's a whole other discussion we could have

492
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Speaker 5: for a different podcast. It is, but the reality is

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Speaker 5: is that they want to be paid what they're worth.

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Speaker 5: And when you have people out there willing to pay

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Speaker 5: a lot in a media deal, and you have people

496
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Speaker 5: out there willing to pay a lot to buy a team,

497
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Speaker 5: that's saying you're worth a little more than the sixty

498
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Speaker 5: six thousand. There's only a hundred four players, right, and

499
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Speaker 5: so why is it that this is such a small percentage?

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Speaker 5: And when you look at you know, things like Unrivaled

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Speaker 5: who Yeah, you know, as I understand, has been profitable

502
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: and the players are making a couple hundred thousand dollars,

503
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Speaker 5: you have to stop and ask yourself, why is it

504
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 5: that they could be successful? You know, as people are

505
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Speaker 5: talking about investing in women's teams, they're thinking I can

506
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Speaker 5: be better off going out and starting my.

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Speaker 7: Own league one hundred percent buying into the NBA because

508
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Speaker 7: I can't pay them enough.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's like all of these things that you

510
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Speaker 5: know as a person playing in the league that you

511
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Speaker 5: have to pause and stop and ask that question.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, you brought up unrival You're talking about players

513
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Speaker 1: making six figures in ten weeks, you know what I

514
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Speaker 1: mean versus some players.

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Speaker 4: Making forty five fifty fifty five thousand dollars in three

516
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Speaker 4: four months.

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Speaker 1: But Tamika, if you are advising the players, and I'm

518
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: going to use this moment as a former player to say,

519
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: there are things that we have been wanting and asking

520
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: for in CBA negotiations since I retire, and that is

521
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: former players healthcare and a pension that we don't have.

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Speaker 4: What would you.

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Speaker 1: Say to them are some of the non negotiables if

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Speaker 1: you are advising the players today.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so, I think generational wealth is a non negotiable,

526
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 5: and having a pension in place is creating generational wealth,

527
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: and that should be a non negotiable.

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Speaker 7: You should want to make.

529
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Speaker 5: Sure that you're taken care of after the ball is

530
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 5: stop bouncing, right, and that should be a non negotiable.

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Speaker 5: I think being paid. You know, none of us, to

532
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 5: some extempt, are exactly paid.

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Speaker 7: You know what we believe we are worth it. Let's

534
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Speaker 7: let's start there.

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Speaker 5: However, you know, when I look at for example, you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the things that blows my mind is that

537
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: I think about, you know, marketing, for example, for a

538
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 5: player they actually have to have ten marketing appearances for free,

539
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 5: like based.

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00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 7: On their salary, and then for every three promotional.

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Speaker 5: Appearances after that, you'll paid another seven hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 7: So, for example, if you have.

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Speaker 1: An eleven, we've been a seven fifty plate.

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Speaker 5: You know, let me check that number, but it is

545
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 5: pretty low on the eleven, and then you're paid that

546
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: again on the you know, fourteenth, So then you go

547
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 5: three more times and you aren't paid. So I would

548
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 5: not do things that you're not paid for. If you

549
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: show up, you should be paid.

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Speaker 7: That to me is a non negotiable.

551
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 5: Like if I'm showing up and I'm doing things on

552
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: my time, you know that are above and beyond because

553
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: everybody isn't necessarily having to show up for ten times, right, yeah,

554
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: that you should be compensated.

555
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 7: So to me, that should be a non negotiable.

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 5: Travel, we have got to increase travel, you know, the experience,

557
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 5: the travel experience. This isn't about giving someone a benefit.

558
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 5: This is about well being. We want you to perform

559
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 5: at your absolute best, and we know that you can

560
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: perform at your absolute best if you are traveling appropriately,

561
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: that you have plenty of leg room.

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00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 7: That you know, all of the things that you.

563
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 5: Would just expect from a professional, right, So those would

564
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: be non negotiable, and obviously a salary that is commiserate

565
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: with someone who has had four years of education and

566
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 5: is now out playing in a league, that's that those

567
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: are non negotiables. There are probably others too, but you

568
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: know the ones that sort of strike me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I know that a conversation that we've

570
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: probably won't be able to get into, but it's something

571
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: that I'm sure the players are going to be talking about.

572
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: Will be scheduling, because as we're adding more teams, we

573
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: are absolutely meaning that we need to add more games.

574
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: Adding more games means a possibility of a longer season

575
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: because this condensed season has you playing on more back

576
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: to backs, as you playing with less time in between games.

577
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 2: There's a lot to fit forty four games. So to

578
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: your point about travel, there's that. So there's got to

579
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: be talking about scheduling and also the prioritization as it

580
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: relates to players who do play overseas, because again, another

581
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: conversation that we can have for another day is why

582
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: does it feel like women's basketball is valued so highly

583
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: in other countries and not here in the United States,

584
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Speaker 2: where we say that we have the best players in

585
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: the world, where we claim that we have the best

586
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: league in the world. If we truly have the best

587
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: in the world, which I believe we do, we do

588
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: them gold.

589
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Medals is showing that we do right.

590
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: If we have that which we do have, then the

591
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: money should match what the world is willing to spend

592
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: for our players. But neither here nor there, with all

593
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: that being said, because we know that we don't have

594
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: a lot of time left. But with all that being said,

595
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: do you think that there are any lessons to be

596
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: learned maybe from past negotiations or from past experiences that

597
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: maybe you could, you know, see directly transferable into what

598
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: the w n b A is doing right now as

599
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 2: it comes to you know, forcing them to understand, you know,

600
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: our the players of strength, the players is leveraged. Like,

601
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: are there some lessons that you think can be learned

602
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: from maybe past experiences that can help the players moving forward.

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00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think the biggest lesson here is sinking

604
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 5: outside of the box. I think if we are looking

605
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 5: at this as simply a raise, you know, increase in

606
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: comp we're you know, going to fall short every single time.

607
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 7: I think that we have to reimagine what can be done.

608
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: It is absolutely very difficult to be able to correlate

609
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: directly with what someone pays for a team with someone's salary,

610
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 5: like a direct correlation.

611
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 7: However, what are other things that we could look at.

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00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: We could look at ticket sales, we could look at merchandise,

613
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: and rather than splitting those fifty percent, they will split

614
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: that seventy five percent because they're being incentivized to get

615
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 5: more people there, to sell more merchandise, you know, things

616
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 5: like that.

617
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 7: It just means that they've got to think outside of

618
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 7: the box. But that also means that you.

619
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,959
Speaker 5: Have to have willing parties that are entering into a partnership,

620
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 5: not where you're thinking about how can one win and

621
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: you know, sort of take off and run versus you know,

622
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 5: how can we both win? How can all boats rise?

623
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 5: I think that's really where the win is and right now,

624
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: as they continue to think transactional and not transformational, it

625
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 5: will not be a success. And they have incredible leaders

626
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 5: certainly on both sides. I mean, Neka is doing an

627
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: amazing job. This is her third time, if not more,

628
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 5: of coming up against the CBA, so she's really prepared

629
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: the p and Terry Jackson, they're prepared for this and

630
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: they're not going to stand down and they are not

631
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: going to settle. And I think that's partly you know,

632
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 5: that has to be the point.

633
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 7: You don't settle. Yeah, I think that they will turn out.

634
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 7: It will be fine. I do.

635
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: I pray and hope that it will be fine. But

636
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 5: it's just reasonable parties and a reasonable partnership.

637
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Agreed.

638
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is a conversation that we could

639
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: have forever because there's just so First of all, you're

640
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a wealth of knowledge. You've been miss forever. There's like

641
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: I would really love to pick your brain. But I

642
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: don't really have anything else to add right now, but

643
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: I do want to just say thank you for your time,

644
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: thank you for your insight, and thank you for sharing.

645
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you for being you.

646
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 7: Oh, thank you so much.

647
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: Agree, And I'm gonna say just before we head out,

648
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: black women are awesome.

649
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: Black women are awesome.

650
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 4: We just we are.

651
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: We just exist in awesomeness and I love that. So

652
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: thank you for your time and for joining us. And

653
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: you're a friend of the show now to me, because

654
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 2: so that means you got to come back.

655
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: Oh, whenever anytime.

656
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 7: For highlighting this. Thank you, Thank you for your voice

657
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 7: out here. We need it, so keep doing what you're doing.

658
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 7: Thank you so much, You're welcome.

659
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 8: Thank you for.

660
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Speaker 2: You know. One thing that I loved about Tamika and

661
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: what she was conveying was the fact that of everything

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Speaker 2: that has been said and of everything that had been

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Speaker 2: talked about, the players ultimately still are the ones that

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Speaker 2: have the leverage, right, And I feel like coming up

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Speaker 2: on whatever it is that we're coming up on, the

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Speaker 2: fact that they have that leverage and are willing to

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Speaker 2: utilize that leverage is going to be everything that maybe

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Speaker 2: players and you, being a player of the past, can

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Speaker 2: let me know if it is just that thing that

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Speaker 2: really separates this time from other times, because it feels

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Speaker 2: like there's like this time is the time where the

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Speaker 2: leverage is at an all time high for the players,

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Speaker 2: and I love that for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my thing is And as a former player, I

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Speaker 1: can't think of a better time than where we are

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Speaker 1: now for the players to put their foot down and say, here,

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Speaker 1: here's what we're asking for, here are our non negotiables,

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Speaker 1: and they got to be willing to stand behind that, right.

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Speaker 8: I can't remember when we talked about this with Tamika.

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Speaker 1: I can remember way back in the day when you know,

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Speaker 1: we were going through some CBA negotiations as well, nowhere

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Speaker 1: near what they're going through today.

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Speaker 8: But the difference then was all of us weren't together

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Speaker 8: on the same page, right. There were some of us

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Speaker 8: who were like, no, we're going to do this for

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Speaker 8: the group and we're fighting for the group, and others

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Speaker 8: were like, listen, I gotta get mine and granted, even

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Speaker 8: though there are probably some players who feel that way,

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Speaker 8: for the most part, you can see and feel how

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Speaker 8: they're all together.

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Speaker 1: They're all on the same page, and you know, kudos

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Speaker 1: to them for standing up and saying, just pay us

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Speaker 1: what we deserve, what we've.

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Speaker 3: Earned, yeap one.

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Speaker 2: So we will definitely keep our eyes peeled on what that.

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Speaker 3: Is going to look like.

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Speaker 2: You know, we kind of talked about how we don't

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Speaker 2: really expect much movement to happen until we get closer

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Speaker 2: to next season, so it is going to be a

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Speaker 2: long process. So everybody out there listening under staying that

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Speaker 2: it is going to be a long process. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's not gonna happen overnight, so don't expect it to

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Speaker 2: you know, anything to change in the next week or two. Like,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be a process, but we will keep our

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Speaker 2: eyes peeled on that for sure. And so with that, Cheryl,

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Speaker 2: what you got for us today.

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Speaker 4: So I don't even know how.

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Speaker 8: This popped up on my phone, but it popped up

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Speaker 8: on my phone.

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Speaker 4: As the quote of the day.

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Speaker 1: And I've read it and was like, oh, I like

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Speaker 1: this short, sweet and simple and it comes from the

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Speaker 1: great Sydney Poitier.

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Speaker 8: How about that me too? And he says, yes, rest

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Speaker 8: in peace.

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Speaker 1: It says you don't have to become something you're not

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Speaker 1: to be better than you were.

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Speaker 3: Mmm.

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Speaker 1: I've really yes, I really like that. Yes, let me

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Speaker 1: just repeat it for those who may not have gotten it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to become something you're not to be

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Speaker 1: better than you were.

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Speaker 7: I got that.

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Speaker 3: I love that one hundred percent. Love that. It's so accurate,

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Speaker 3: it's so true. Growth.

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Speaker 2: Growth is a beautiful thing, like we are all growing

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Speaker 2: every single day. It's a beautiful thing. I know I'll

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Speaker 2: be growing every day day. My Twitter fingers be like

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Speaker 2: this question.

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Speaker 4: You've been so good this year, by the way, you

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Speaker 4: see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: I told y'all in the beginning of the year, I

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Speaker 2: won't go let none stress me out. This is the

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Speaker 2: year of celebration, y'all. We are about to get up

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Speaker 2: on out air man. We so appreciate you guys for

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Speaker 2: joining us and listening to Levels to This. We will

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Speaker 2: be back next week with more next level conversations just

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Speaker 2: about everything and all the shit that we go through

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Speaker 2: and talk about. But remember, this is our show, so

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Speaker 2: we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: You want to hear a specific topic, definitely hit us

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