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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm at nineteen six forty Diamond Drive when it's.

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Speaker 3: A call on fire and my working.

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Speaker 1: Line Seals was found shot inside a burning car in

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Speaker 4: I do know that there is a lot of sentiment

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Speaker 5: I believe that whoever did he knew him there ain't

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Speaker 5: wouldn't go nowhere with no random perfect that he don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it was forres Reed, that was our friend.

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Speaker 7: They used to shoot Dicelelt all the time.

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Speaker 8: So like when he gets attitudes, he used to turn

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Speaker 8: to somebody you would not think he was when he

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Speaker 9: They had like a dude on the news talking about it.

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Speaker 9: They like blurred out his face and everything. But like

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Speaker 9: he said that he's seeing what happened.

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Speaker 10: One of the guys that was responsible for the lineup,

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Speaker 10: he was gunned down in his front yard pretty much

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Speaker 4: Are you able to give that name?

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Speaker 7: It's a rapper man. He's in videos with him and everything.

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Speaker 11: What you're looking for is the aftermath of the grand

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Speaker 11: jury deciding not to indict off.

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Speaker 4: A nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his

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Speaker 4: killer set his car on fire.

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Speaker 1: Once they put out the flames, they discovered Seal's body

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Speaker 1: inside with a gunshop.

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Speaker 7: I want a gun on me?

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Speaker 9: Am?

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Speaker 10: I am?

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Speaker 7: I whats your older brothers? Ferguson BD grab me by

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Speaker 7: my heart, slam me off the car. He says, you

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Speaker 7: might want to you might want to pick your enemies better.

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Speaker 4: This is after the Uprising season two the murder of

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Speaker 4: Darren Seals.

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Speaker 9: I am Tank the Machine. That is my artist in

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Speaker 10: I'm about ten years eleven years deep in releasing music

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Speaker 12: Hip hop is it's a culture, but it's interwoven and

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Speaker 12: tethered to the Black experience, right.

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Speaker 9: I don't think people.

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Speaker 12: Really understand the depths of the of the parallels of

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Speaker 12: and how it just is interwoven with just the music

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Speaker 1: In the last episode, Saint Louis rapper tef Po told

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Speaker 1: us it was his belief that Darren was murdered by

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Speaker 1: people from within the rap community. I'm talking to Tank

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Speaker 1: the Machine because not only was he close friends with Darren,

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so me and Ron was just running tight. There

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Speaker 3: And he got Darren.

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Speaker 9: He got d boy with us.

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Speaker 1: When Tank says Ron, he's referring to Ron G, another

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Speaker 1: rapper who with Tank formed the hip hop group DOA.

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Speaker 1: Ron G didn't want to be interviewed for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: claiming that the memories of Darren and his killing are

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Speaker 10: He introduced me, He's like, man, it's my boy. He

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Speaker 10: They grew up in Council Point. This is right up

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Speaker 10: and Darren I just took behind.

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Speaker 1: When Tank says Darren took five, he's referring to the

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Speaker 1: to all my life. A mid sized neighborhood in unincorporated

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis County, centered between Ferguson and Riverview. The area

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Speaker 1: This is where Darren connected with many who would join

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Speaker 10: So after he introduced us, I'm like, man, he was.

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Speaker 10: This dude got so much charisma personality. When you meet him,

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Speaker 9: You're gonna hate him, but you're gonna have some type.

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Speaker 9: You know what I'm saying, And that's every time you

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Speaker 10: If this is universally known about this guy, he was

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Speaker 1: Darren ended up joining Tanking ron G and creating a

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Speaker 10: He was blunting their hands up, not his son.

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Speaker 5: And the cops they think, you know, the start playing

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Speaker 8: They wanted to ship the quickst tho turning it up.

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Speaker 1: Darren also raps about his old nickname Dee Boy and

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Speaker 5: They called me boy when I was whipping up that rock.

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Speaker 10: When we're shooting Bourn Target video, police followed us all day.

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Speaker 9: So and that was when we were all together.

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Speaker 10: I can imagine, like you know, there was a lot

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Speaker 9: We was aware, and he.

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Speaker 9: What was his emotion when he talked about it. I

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Speaker 1: Do you think other people had a problem with his activism?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely? Anytime you unapologetic black, that don't go over wheel.

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Speaker 10: It's just I mean, I mean, you look at everybody

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Speaker 9: They're all like that.

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Speaker 10: You're all matured, and I'm able to look at things

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Speaker 9: A lot of us were a lot younger.

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Speaker 10: Full of misguided frustration and energy. I think the right

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Speaker 10: I'm trying my absolute hardest to understand more effective ways

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Speaker 10: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know how to incard about Darren's murder.

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Speaker 10: It was Tuesday morning. Ronjie called me and said that

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Speaker 9: Actually had anybody seen him?

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Speaker 10: And he called me and said, you're saying him. I said, no,

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Speaker 10: I ain't seeing him. But he did call me last night,

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Speaker 10: He called me and I was just stuff because we

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Speaker 9: But that morning, yeah, I told Ron said no.

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Speaker 10: I personally feel like it's so sticky that it's hard

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Speaker 10: And I say that because, again, man, Darren wasn't a

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Speaker 9: So I can't even you know, however.

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Speaker 1: So tell me, how did you know Darren?

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Speaker 14: I met Darren initially at a movement based type of thing.

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Speaker 14: Concert that FLI Clan's opponent put on Cornel West cam

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Speaker 14: of different activisty events. I think that the hip hop

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Speaker 1: This is Tamor Dodd, better known by her rap name Bates,

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Speaker 1: We talked about Darren's role in both of these worlds

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Speaker 14: On top of it's getting mainstream coverage. He's laying on CNN,

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Speaker 6: An argument where the argument that we're really low. You

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Speaker 4: Do you have any can you give me any sense

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Speaker 7: Uh music?

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Speaker 4: This is Shariff. Allen Sharif is the founder and owner

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Speaker 4: He's from Saint Louis and he knew Darren. Like Tef Poe,

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Speaker 6: He had a meeting with rod Nation. But they feel

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Speaker 9: But he was showing to teeing him like Bro, I.

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Speaker 4: If you don't know, Rock Nation is jay Z's record

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Speaker 10: We're Gonna Blow It, Were gonna blow it and we

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Speaker 9: Out over host.

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Speaker 7: No niggas who got back od for that.

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Speaker 9: I can't go.

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Speaker 15: I can't go, Even no niggas who'll make you for

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Speaker 9: I can't go.

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Speaker 4: Can't go, and I can't go, and I can't go,

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Speaker 2: I was curious how realistic it would have been that

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Speaker 9: Boys made more of it, you.

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Speaker 6: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds to me like they took a meeting

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Speaker 3: From my experience just taking one meeting, if a record

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Speaker 13: Know, what exactly do you have going on, you know,

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Speaker 3: So that's my answer to that.

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Speaker 4: Hoping to understand exactly what went down. When Darren went

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Speaker 3: I would recommend just reaching out to a publicist, okay,

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Speaker 4: Taking Quayshan's advice, we reached out to Rock Nation asking

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Speaker 8: I met Darren Seals. I want to say two thousand

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Speaker 7: I met him was one night, late night.

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Speaker 8: He said, I'll show you tomorrow. I had a baby

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Speaker 7: What was going on there?

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Speaker 7: He want to push them, so he get behind him.

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Speaker 8: And in regards to rapping hip hop, the industry will

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Speaker 8: And when you're young, you make those mistakes that you're hungry.

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Speaker 8: You just want to get out the ghetto. You know

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Speaker 8: I'll pay this. I just want a chance. I want

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Speaker 7: So for it was a particular situation the Darren.

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Speaker 8: it's like, oh, bro, like you hating on the opportunity.

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Speaker 8: Now I'm trying to educate you. And I think he

444
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 8: gassed up the young men's to the point to where

445
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 8: they really thought they was gonna go out there and.

446
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Speaker 7: Get a deal.

447
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 8: They fly out to New York, they have a meeting allegedly,

448
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 8: and nothing ever happens from me. So I think his

449
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 8: relationship with them started to because he was saying that

450
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 8: they were going to do all these things, but they're

451
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 8: not really understanding the work, the connections, the money you

452
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 8: got to put behind.

453
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Speaker 7: They not really understanding how this business work.

454
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Speaker 8: It's not going to be an overnight thing, especially coming

455
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Speaker 8: from Saint Louis. It's damn there, like you're trying to

456
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Speaker 8: get struck by lightning on purpose.

457
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Speaker 4: Sharif Allen said that he heard Darren was killed because

458
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 4: of an argument about music and that it had something

459
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Speaker 4: to do with the Bottom Boys and a possible record deal.

460
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Speaker 4: I asked two what he thought about.

461
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Speaker 7: It when the situation occurred.

462
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Speaker 8: I'm not gonna name any names, but I did get

463
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Speaker 8: a kite saying that something happened to d Boy. And

464
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 8: this was before someone close to him actually called and

465
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Speaker 8: let this information out. And then we see the post

466
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Speaker 8: from his girlfriend, and you know, I contact the people.

467
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Speaker 7: That he was close with.

468
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Speaker 8: You know, the confirmed situation was true, but how it happened,

469
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Speaker 8: It's only so many people that could have got inb

470
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Speaker 8: out that house. I was told that, you know, a

471
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 8: lady called his phone, but then it switched to saying,

472
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Speaker 8: you know, one of the guys from Bottom Boys called

473
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 8: his phone and invited him somewhere. You know, So the

474
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Speaker 8: girl that he was with, you know, she was saying,

475
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Speaker 8: you know, it was a girl that called him and

476
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Speaker 8: he went out, and then you know, other people started

477
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Speaker 8: to say that it was it was the guy from

478
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Speaker 8: you know, his rap group that called him. So it's

479
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Speaker 8: just so many different conflicting statements. So the minute it happened,

480
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 8: of course, you know, everybody ran with assumption, oh you know,

481
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Speaker 8: police killed them, Police killed him, and a lot of

482
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Speaker 8: us that was that was close to him, we started

483
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Speaker 8: to have conversations about these things, and I'm like, you

484
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Speaker 8: know what, the boy had a powerful voice, but his

485
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Speaker 8: voice alone wasn't a threat enough to the system for

486
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Speaker 8: them to murder him. There was so many it's so

487
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Speaker 8: many others that they could have got out the way

488
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Speaker 8: or they've been trying to get out the way.

489
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Speaker 7: I I was, oh that this was street related. They

490
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 7: finally caught up with them.

491
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Speaker 8: One thing about the streets, the streets are always gonna

492
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Speaker 8: tell you what took place. You may not have all

493
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Speaker 8: the details, but you're gonna hear, Okay, this is possibly

494
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Speaker 8: how this happened. And unfortunately, like I said, we all

495
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 8: got a past, we all got a history. When you

496
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 8: jump off the porch and you get involved in street activity,

497
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 8: there's two underlying details. When you sign that contract to

498
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Speaker 8: jump off the porch. One of the outcomes is death.

499
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Speaker 8: One of the outcomes is jail, and you get a

500
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Speaker 8: select few. By the grace of God or whatever you

501
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 8: know you believe in that you make it out unscathed,

502
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 8: which is rare, you know. So those of us who

503
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 8: lived their life, we understand. Do we like it, absolutely not,

504
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 8: but we understand that was one of the underlying clauses

505
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Speaker 8: that we signed up. But this is the thing, as

506
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 8: you said, with them watching and surveilling like they have been,

507
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 8: they would know exactly how that situation occurred. But the

508
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 8: thing is, at the end of the day, he's a

509
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Speaker 8: black man in Saint Louis. He was speaking out against

510
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Speaker 8: the system. They don't They don't give a fuck about

511
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Speaker 8: providing any type of justice for his family or the community.

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Speaker 4: So when you say you were told that the murder

513
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Speaker 4: was street related, was it music and street related?

514
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Speaker 9: And can you give me any sense of what you've heard.

515
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Speaker 7: That that that?

516
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Speaker 8: I can't because when it's that type of situation and

517
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Speaker 8: people are telling me those type of things, I don't

518
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 8: really want to know the details.

519
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Speaker 7: And this and this is the thing I love.

520
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Speaker 8: I love that we, like I said, we met two

521
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 8: thousand and nine, we established relationship.

522
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Speaker 7: It was we was brothers.

523
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Speaker 8: Towards the end, we butted heads a lot because d

524
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Speaker 8: Boy was extremely passionate and.

525
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Speaker 7: Once he knew something, he knew, even if it was

526
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Speaker 7: the wrong thing to know.

527
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Speaker 8: So whenever you tried to correct them on something, to

528
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 8: give him some information that was outside of where he

529
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 8: had his mindset, he would fight against that with all

530
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Speaker 8: his heart.

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Speaker 4: If TBO knew the specifics about who killed Darren, like

532
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 4: Tank the Machine, he wasn't going to tell us. As

533
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: tef Po had said that before Darren's death, he'd been

534
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 4: running with some new and untrustworthy people. I figured I'd

535
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 4: ask TDBO about that and he told us there was

536
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Speaker 4: a man in Hands Up United, the Ferguson based outreach

537
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 4: group he volunteered with that they'd had to remove.

538
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Speaker 8: He used to be a part of Hands of United,

539
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 8: but never wanted to do the work. He just wanted

540
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 8: the attention. He wanted to do the interviews, but he

541
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 8: never wanted to volunteer time. So once we let him

542
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 8: go from the organization, he lashed on a debut because

543
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 8: he saw the power in the voice that he had

544
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 8: social media wise, he had d boy around a.

545
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 7: Lot of questionable people involved in the movement.

546
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 8: A lot of questionable people, and I tried to warn

547
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 8: them about it, but towards the end it came out

548
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 8: and he started to separate itself. But like I was

549
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 8: saying in regards to the street situation, I don't think

550
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 8: music had anything to do with it at all at all,

551
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 8: Absolutely not. That was something that I've never heard And

552
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 8: if there's a room and that floating around, it's absolutely

553
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 8: not true.

554
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Speaker 4: The people from the rap world who knew the streets

555
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 4: and who knew Darren Well seem to have heard and

556
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 4: seemed to believe different things about why he was killed

557
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: which makes it hard to know which direction to move

558
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: in to try to find his killer. Fortunately, though, there

559
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Speaker 4: was an eyewitness who gave his account more after the break.

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Speaker 1: Now back to the show. If you recall from our

561
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: interview with Bodine in episode one, he mentioned that he

562
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Speaker 1: had a fuzzy memory of a news report with a

563
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Speaker 1: witness to Darren's killing. We found that what he was

564
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Speaker 1: referring to was an interview filmed by friends of Darren's,

565
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Speaker 1: Darnell Singleton and Amir Brandy, who had gone to the

566
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Speaker 1: crime scene immediately after hearing that Darren had been murdered.

567
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Speaker 1: After filming this interview, Amir formed an independent media company

568
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: called Real STL News. They were kind enough to share

569
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Speaker 1: that interview with us. Because the audio isn't the best,

570
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Speaker 1: we will reiterate what the witness says.

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Speaker 11: Okay said Anna France smoking or whatever in Ayama Pardner

572
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 11: I heard, of course, so I'm like, let me see

573
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Speaker 11: what disease.

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Speaker 1: The man who was a resident of the Ridgeview apartments

575
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Speaker 1: where Darren's body was found, had been sitting on his

576
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: front porch smoking when he heard a car with a

577
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: HEMI engine pull up came around.

578
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Speaker 11: It was the jeep in front, it was a christ

579
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Speaker 11: like three hundred. When he hear me in behind it

580
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 11: and it was another silver Ford or a City or

581
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Speaker 11: something like like that. I couldn't really see because it

582
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 11: was dirt up on the third floor. The Chrystler was like,

583
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 11: it's like either silver.

584
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Speaker 9: Or is great.

585
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 11: I couldn't really tell the color surreal because it's dirt.

586
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 9: Plus I was I thought I was chipping.

587
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Speaker 1: The witness says there was a train of cars that

588
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: pulled into the parking lot. Darren's jeep was in front,

589
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Speaker 1: followed by what he thought was a Chrysler three hundred

590
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: with a Hemi engine, and in the rear a silver

591
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: Ford or Chevy. He wasn't exactly sure about the colors

592
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Speaker 1: because he was on the third floor and it was nighttime.

593
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Speaker 15: So he can't even drive it because it was the state.

594
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 11: I realized it the stake by the way it was

595
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 11: fucking sounding like he almost ran and ran into the

596
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 11: buses when any time he tried to pull off for

597
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 11: the cutoff because he's not putting it in a year,

598
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 11: I noticed on all the driver stick I'm like, oh man,

599
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 11: how you gonna steal a car?

600
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Speaker 14: You know?

601
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 11: And all the driver I thought it was just a stoke,

602
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 11: so when he parked it, he couldn't even park it

603
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 11: for real because it kept rolling like that.

604
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 7: He can any part of the core.

605
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: The witness recognized that whoever was driving the jeep was

606
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: struggling with the stick shift, and that the driver almost

607
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: accidentally drove into the bushes because of the driver's inability

608
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: to operate the stick shift. He presumed that the jeep

609
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: was stolen, but.

610
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 11: The whole time I thought it was a stolencal dude

611
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 11: got out the Core with some white socks on his hands.

612
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 11: It was there was only one dude that got out.

613
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 15: He was like, yeah, black and he.

614
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 11: Had dreads to come and think about it.

615
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 9: He had some socks on.

616
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 11: His hand, and he wouldn't be big from where I

617
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 11: was sitting there. He let he's probably thought your side,

618
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 11: and he's like, he's about his size. I'm probably a

619
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 11: little bit shorter than.

620
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Speaker 7: It really because I.

621
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Speaker 11: Was on the third floor from what ould see and

622
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 11: looked at tall. Okay, he didn't.

623
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Speaker 1: The witness goes on to repeat that he thought the

624
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: jeep was stolen because the man who got out of

625
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the driver's seat once it was parked was wearing socks

626
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: on his hands. He described the man as black with

627
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: dreads and as not being very tall, he guesses perhaps

628
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: five foot six or seven.

629
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Speaker 15: He got off the court and ran up to the

630
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 15: christ of three hundred and they pulled off. They went

631
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 15: back towards Riverview, and I thought they was gonna come

632
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 15: back and take the rings off of it, because you know,

633
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 15: I'm like, that's a jeep, Like they could coming late.

634
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 15: They like isa what I was thinking, But the whole time,

635
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 15: not knowing there was a biting in there.

636
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: The witness explains that the driver of the jeep with

637
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: the socks on his hands got into the Chrysler three hundred,

638
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: and that car and the third vehicle, which he guessed

639
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: was a Chevy or Ford, both pulled back onto the

640
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: road and headed towards Riverview. Thinking they would have stolen

641
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: the rims from the jeep, he was confused that they

642
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: drove away and abandoned the vehicle, But what he said

643
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: next was the most shocking part of his interview.

644
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Speaker 11: But a white boy came from really good way through

645
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 11: the woods, and I'm thinking he's gonna come try and

646
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 11: find him. I'm not really paying attention, and by the

647
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 11: time I turned away and look back. The whole cause

648
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 11: of flights like.

649
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: The whole thing with The witness claims that after the

650
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: two other vehicles departed the parking lot, a white man

651
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: with a ponytail emerged from the tree line and approached

652
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: the jeep. He thought the man must have been out

653
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: there to buy crack, and after looking away for a

654
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: split second, he looked back and the jeep was engulfed

655
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: in flames. Speaking to Darnell and a mirror by phone,

656
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Speaker 1: they told us what they saw when they went to

657
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Speaker 1: the crime scene the day Darren died.

658
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Speaker 5: I work in a laws so you know, I go

659
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: through crime scenes and process information from those scenes. But

660
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: to actually go to that scene and see fenkase scenes

661
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Speaker 5: that on that scene the door of his vehicle filled

662
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Speaker 5: being on that scene and not being processed. We took

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Speaker 5: pictures of all of it stuff on that date. They

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Speaker 1: Darnell quickly turned to talking about the witnessed.

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Speaker 2: Interviewed the eye with being a mirror that after somebody

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Speaker 2: exited that christ for three hundred and got into another

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Speaker 2: car and took off. He said, a white boy came

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Speaker 5: He said, a long longher A guy would loan her

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Speaker 5: ad a ponytail.

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Speaker 2: He said, a white boy came from out of the woods.

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Speaker 2: Next thing he know, the car was on.

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Speaker 13: He said.

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Speaker 5: He looked away for a second and the flames caught

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Speaker 5: his attention.

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Speaker 2: Now get this ray connect me. The next day that

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Speaker 2: me and Amir went out there, Amir had the drone

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Speaker 2: up in the air. We see this white guy pull

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Speaker 2: in the air and it was so curious that he

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Speaker 2: walked over to where the door was. He was just

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Speaker 2: kind of looking around through He was looking for some

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Speaker 2: in particular. Yeah, he was looking for something. And I

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Speaker 2: turned to a mirror and I said, record that. We

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Speaker 2: need to record that. Get his license plate and everything.

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Speaker 2: So if Mayor Pools was rolled over, the guy instruct

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Speaker 2: and records this.

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Speaker 1: Reviewing the drone video they shot, there's an older looking

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Speaker 1: white man driving a dark colored forward pickup truck with

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Speaker 1: a camper shell. A few activists approached the driver's side

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Speaker 1: window to speak with him, and no, he doesn't appear

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Speaker 1: to have a ponytail.

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Speaker 5: Saint Louis County Homicide they actually came to the law

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Speaker 5: office a sergeant and a lieutenant, which I found to

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Speaker 5: be quite strange that a sergeant and a lieutenant would

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Speaker 5: be you know, usually that's not an assignment for a

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Speaker 5: sergeant and a lieutenant. They came down, they came, came

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Speaker 5: over to the office, sat down and talked, talked to

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Speaker 5: me for a few minutes in reference to the videotape

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Speaker 5: and the content, and I gave him. I gave them

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Speaker 5: a copy of that. Never heard any anything else from dam.

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Speaker 1: If the witness from the Ridge View apartments is to

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Speaker 1: be believed, Darren was not killed at the apartment complex

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Speaker 1: where his body was found because the witness never heard

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Speaker 1: any gunshots. If the witness is to be believed, there

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Speaker 1: are at least three people involved in Darren's murder, and

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Speaker 1: possibly a fourth the drivers of the three vehicles and

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Speaker 1: the mysterious white man who emerged from the shrubs who

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Speaker 1: may have been the one who set Darren's jeep on fire.

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Speaker 1: After the fact, we wanted to begin certifying these details,

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Speaker 1: and we knew the best way to do that was

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Speaker 1: to visit the scene of the crime ourselves. That's next time,

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Speaker 1: and after the uprising.

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