Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. First of all, Happy New Year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know what, Yes, it's the new year. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this and I and I know, I
Speaker 1: know is off to a rockets start. I know that
Speaker 1: everyone listening to this is wealthier, smarter, healthier, more sexually
Speaker 1: aroused than they were any other previous year of their life.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're or five, um. But I
Speaker 1: will say that currently we are recording in the previous
Speaker 1: new year, so you don't So if you don't see
Speaker 1: that spark, if you don't hear that spark in our voices,
Speaker 1: it's still two in our world, still here. But but
Speaker 1: I'll say to you. To you, I say, happy New Year,
Speaker 1: and congratulations on being in the first good year, because
Speaker 1: this is the year that everything gets turned around. Finally,
Speaker 1: I am it's so clear to me. It's so clear
Speaker 1: to me that is going to be that year. I
Speaker 1: mean it's symmetrical. First of all, they're equal, and then
Speaker 1: it's of course the twelve year and the calendar of
Speaker 1: the ancients, and so those two things alone, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's numerology. I mean, when I woke up today
Speaker 1: on UM January three, I saw um that it was
Speaker 1: cold outside, and I actually looked up an almanac, um
Speaker 1: that said when it's cold outside in January three, that
Speaker 1: means the year is going to be perfect. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: read that too, and it was so touch and go there,
Speaker 1: because you know, you never know January three, if it's
Speaker 1: going to be cold or tropical every year, it's a
Speaker 1: real mystery. And and I did read that, and you know,
Speaker 1: people say, oh, don't believe in that stuff, but um,
Speaker 1: this was actually uh. Anthony Fauci said this. He said,
Speaker 1: if it's cold on January three, it's gonna be If
Speaker 1: it's cold on January three, then this year is going
Speaker 1: to be a sleigh and a half Mauma. And he
Speaker 1: said that in an op ed for The New York Times.
Speaker 1: You know, we started saying malma, trying to overpronounce malma,
Speaker 1: and now I can't say it normal. I have to
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee. It's like Jamie Lee curtisying trauma in that video.
Speaker 1: That's how we are with Mauma. Yes, Mama, yes, Mauma.
Speaker 1: Um I okay. So predictions for the new year. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be sort of like I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna all over again. No one has any problems everyone's
Speaker 1: like bank accounts are chock full. Um, there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as taxes. They've decided to do away with them.
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, it's everyone's going to have sort of
Speaker 1: a subtropical year. Um, but without the precipitation. Right, it's subtropical.
Speaker 1: But it's not like because of global warming. It's because
Speaker 1: the vibes are good. Yeah. Um. If we can bring
Speaker 1: it back to the present day, the year in which
Speaker 1: we are currently recording, I think it's important to address
Speaker 1: that we're both cranky. Yes, we're both cranky. Um, but
Speaker 1: you know what, though earlier today I was thinking back
Speaker 1: to something that made me really smile, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what if you feel like you're getting cranky,
Speaker 1: which I was just think back to that what what
Speaker 1: what made you smile? So I told you this, uh,
Speaker 1: like a couple of weeks ago, and it happened. But
Speaker 1: it was when I had that substitute yoga instructor and
Speaker 1: he was sort of Uh. I would say, not, um,
Speaker 1: what you would normally maybe assume as someone with biases
Speaker 1: would be a yoga instruct He was a thirteen year
Speaker 1: old boy. Yeah yeah, and he was really fucked up
Speaker 1: looking kept talking about roadblocks. Yeah, it was. Um. He
Speaker 1: was a he was a sort of older gentleman. He
Speaker 1: was maybe close to sixty. Um. And he himself said,
Speaker 1: just so that everyone can picture what I'm explaining, what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, he himself said that he's been told
Speaker 1: he looks like William H. Macy, so that's sort of
Speaker 1: what you can picture. Um. And I and he seemed,
Speaker 1: you know, he had really good vibes, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this guy is like a straight guy
Speaker 1: that was into Buddhism in the eighties, Like that's the
Speaker 1: sort of vibe, or if he's like an older gay
Speaker 1: guy who was doing this on the side and I
Speaker 1: couldn't crack it. I couldn't crack it. And he was,
Speaker 1: you know, he talked in a sort of neutral voice,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't tell if he if you know, which
Speaker 1: which way he swung. Um to go back, of course.
Speaker 1: And so then about fifteen twenty minutes of the class,
Speaker 1: a song started and he said, Florence in the Machine.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed in. That moment just really brought me back
Speaker 1: to the holiday spirit on a day when I wasn't
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, that is so powerful, Is there anything more.
Speaker 1: I mean, if and if you're in a bad mood now,
Speaker 1: I know, January three can feel sort of like a
Speaker 1: colm down because it's no longer than you it's no
Speaker 1: longer New Year's Day, and it's no longer the day
Speaker 1: after Year's Day, where still um sort of new. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's basically just a Tuesday. Yeah, I don't know. The
Speaker 1: New year actually kind of always does it for me.
Speaker 1: It like really does make me feel like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's restart, like that all of that year didn't count
Speaker 1: and I it's I am grateful to always have naive
Speaker 1: optimism and be like, you know what, fuck it, this
Speaker 1: is the best year of my life starting now. Do
Speaker 1: you have that more with New Year's or with your birthday? Oh? God,
Speaker 1: New Year's because it feels more like, um, I like
Speaker 1: being among the people, you know, I like being like
Speaker 1: we can all have this um When when it's my birthday,
Speaker 1: it's more like like it's sort of like, okay, so
Speaker 1: what did I Like? It's very personal, like what did
Speaker 1: I do in the last year? In one way, that's
Speaker 1: like that doesn't really feel good to just examine yourself
Speaker 1: in isolation. No, you have to examine the whole world.
Speaker 1: And and also you know, to think that your own
Speaker 1: birthday is in your beginning is very Messiah complex, like
Speaker 1: well you're not, You're not Jesus No. And also like
Speaker 1: do you make like birthday resolutions? If so, Like I
Speaker 1: can't imagineing more toxic. I actually get a tree for
Speaker 1: my birthday and the presence under every year. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody's seeing old Lang sign. Oh wow. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: came up with Christmas carols for your birthday that have
Speaker 1: the same tune of normal Christmas carols, but they're all
Speaker 1: like Sam Sam, Sam Sam. Yeah, I made I paid
Speaker 1: Spotify one billion dollars so they could do a rapt
Speaker 1: for me every time it's my birthday. Well, happy New Year, Sam,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, George. It's gonna be I really do
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a good one. Yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: a really good feeling about it. Me too. I think
Speaker 1: us being cranky on December is a sign that the
Speaker 1: new year is actually gonna be better, because um, it's
Speaker 1: like that thing where like one time I was listening
Speaker 1: to a comedy podcast and they were talking about how
Speaker 1: like they were filming like a late night set and
Speaker 1: they bombed their their show right before the late night set,
Speaker 1: and how that's actually a good sign because it means
Speaker 1: you're actually gonna crush the late night set, of course.
Speaker 1: And so I actually feel that way about um my
Speaker 1: mood right now. We're the show you can sort of
Speaker 1: if you can just flop flop, flop over and over again,
Speaker 1: that means at some point you're gonna slay. Hey, nowhere
Speaker 1: to go but up, nowhere to go but up? And
Speaker 1: that has never been more true, sweetie. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I actually kind of feel like our crankiness is coming
Speaker 1: through too much. Is that bad? Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That was that my fault? No, no, no, it's my
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't. I think it's a mutual. Well,
Speaker 1: here's what here, here's what I will say. When we
Speaker 1: are in the mindset of it being January three, it's
Speaker 1: not coming across. But then when we go back to
Speaker 1: is coming across. So really, all of us, all three
Speaker 1: of us, have to be January three. I am, I
Speaker 1: am January three. This is the face of January three.
Speaker 1: This it really is like you actually can access the
Speaker 1: January three within you at any given time. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, I always say, it's January three somewhere,
Speaker 1: and sheers to that. Hey I'll drink to that. Oh oh,
Speaker 1: I've been drinking this whole time. I'm black. Oh well,
Speaker 1: you already did say let's bring in, said the three
Speaker 1: of us. So I think it's time. Yeah, it's time,
Speaker 1: It's time. It's the Chekov's guest, the classic scenario where
Speaker 1: two podcast hosts have to bring in one podcast guest
Speaker 1: after doing a bit about it being January three, read
Speaker 1: about it in books, and so, without further ado, it
Speaker 1: is my pleasure, honor, and delight to welcome to the
Speaker 1: stage Richard Perez. Hi, Hi, January three. So how's your
Speaker 1: it is? Literally it's oh my god, Oh my god, Hi,
Speaker 1: oh my god. George said, how is your New Year's
Speaker 1: You still have glitter on you from the parson. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I had the best time ever. I was
Speaker 1: with a lot of people with my friends. Haven't fun? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And it felt really good. Oh yeah, we just absolutely
Speaker 1: hanging yeah, good morning here, like please fill this island.
Speaker 1: It was fun. Richard. I'm going to ask you something
Speaker 1: and if you don't want to do it, you say
Speaker 1: no and we'll cut up that I asked, you, do
Speaker 1: you want to debut Pelley? You know what? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I can't take the credit. Wait, I
Speaker 1: thought it was you know, it was Charlie, but no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Charlie texted me about it out of the blue, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, I'm on board. I want to
Speaker 1: sign up for this project. And then we went to
Speaker 1: two parties this weekend and I debuted it with the
Speaker 1: help of charl Like. I was like, Charlie, come on,
Speaker 1: because I'm sorry to say this, but you know we
Speaker 1: were Sam and I were at one of those or
Speaker 1: at least one of those parties, and I could have sworn.
Speaker 1: I asked who owns it? And you said you did?
Speaker 1: But maybe I must remember. No, I don't know. I don't. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I have a question, Richard. Would you define your friend
Speaker 1: Charlie Barday as a litigious person? What does that word mean?
Speaker 1: Is he going to find ways to pursue legal action? Now?
Speaker 1: If you debut Pelly without him? My instinct says no, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be upset with me. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Well, I'm not worried about it if he
Speaker 1: gets upset I'm worried if he get if he gets legal,
Speaker 1: if he gets legal. Yeah, well you know what if
Speaker 1: it gets legal, if he gets legal, I am saying
Speaker 1: on the record, on the record, if Charlie Barday two
Speaker 1: time two time Straighter Lab guests and one time Lab
Speaker 1: should text him, should it be like would you be
Speaker 1: upset if I said Pelly on the If he is upset,
Speaker 1: I've promised we will have him back on and hear
Speaker 1: his side of the story. Pelly, So, Richard, what is Pelly?
Speaker 1: Pelly is essentially um Literally, Charlie texted me out of
Speaker 1: the blue. We both had a hundred degree fevers, we
Speaker 1: had the flu at the same time, and he just
Speaker 1: texted me out of the blue and was like, instead
Speaker 1: of period, I'm gonna start saying Pelly, just out of
Speaker 1: the blue. I was like, I was like, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a I want to do it. You were like Pelly.
Speaker 1: And then so it really is that simple. It's just
Speaker 1: you know, you say something someone's like instead of pere,
Speaker 1: however you say period, just say Pelly. Just say Pelly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so a sort of an example where you would
Speaker 1: use it in a sentence is just like it's really
Speaker 1: cold out today, Pelly, and so you have been you know,
Speaker 1: this started and now you're sort of making it happen.
Speaker 1: How has that journey gone? Um? Right, it's been. I've
Speaker 1: gotten a few texts, like messages from friends being like
Speaker 1: what is Pally? And I can tell they feel vulnerable
Speaker 1: asking yeah, And even one friend was all right, my
Speaker 1: coworker today, like I said it to him. Now I
Speaker 1: say it without realizing I'm doing it. And so we
Speaker 1: were just like talking, I don't even know, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what I said. And I was like Pally
Speaker 1: and then he was like Pally and then he was
Speaker 1: like he started laughing and that He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: to be honest, what is that? And then he told
Speaker 1: me he like googled it, he was like researching. He
Speaker 1: was like upset. He didn't know what that meant. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm out of the loop. I don't know what that is. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is though, how I mean what I love about this? God,
Speaker 1: It's just you know, so often something like on Fleet
Speaker 1: for instance, you know, it's like there's a viral video
Speaker 1: and then it catches on from there. But this is
Speaker 1: really ground up, like this whole grassroots, grassroots, like even Charlie,
Speaker 1: someone who someone who is very active on the Internet,
Speaker 1: who who of course goes on about it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's like he decided in texted just you his close
Speaker 1: friend because he knew that I blab. Yeah, he knew.
Speaker 1: And neither of you. When I really appreciate about this
Speaker 1: is that neither of you really ever defined it in
Speaker 1: any written way or online, like you really are just
Speaker 1: like we're gonna start saying it. We're gonna start saying
Speaker 1: it and people will catch on because it's ultimately not
Speaker 1: that complicated. It's not at all like like yeah, we
Speaker 1: we we were talking about it on Sunday. We were like,
Speaker 1: what if we just literally like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: we make something like in the New Year, like and
Speaker 1: we just sneak it in there and like don't even
Speaker 1: give it not like we're just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like if him and I are like doing a video
Speaker 1: or something, and then our characters are just like saying
Speaker 1: like we're just like and that not even the Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like I think I'm gonna call the car. Like
Speaker 1: it's like the video is about like how someone has
Speaker 1: a third ear in the back of their head and
Speaker 1: they're like not me having a third ear and then
Speaker 1: the other one's like Pally and then they just go
Speaker 1: like just keep sneaking it in or something. It really
Speaker 1: speaks to your ability as a performer, um to just
Speaker 1: make something infectious. Because I'm really liking this whole process
Speaker 1: where you know, Charlie wrote and of course executive produced
Speaker 1: the project, and you are, you know, taking down on
Speaker 1: the road. You're you're testing out in small rooms and
Speaker 1: then yeah, exactly bigger rooms, you know, and just it's
Speaker 1: just really taking off in this way. I feel the
Speaker 1: movement because I even feel myself like like I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it on this podcast because I want
Speaker 1: to practice it in the mirror before I do. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, totally I feel the same one. Don't overthink it.
Speaker 1: It's so simple, you know what. I think every time
Speaker 1: I've said it so far, I have really forced it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't wait for a natural. I
Speaker 1: can't wait for a natural. By the end of this podcast,
Speaker 1: there will be a natural place where I will say,
Speaker 1: Pey feels so good, thank you. I was, I was
Speaker 1: feeling it right then. So would you say Charlie is
Speaker 1: sort of the Jack Antonov and you're the Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: like he you know you he executive produced it, came
Speaker 1: up with it, but it's up to you, and you're
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you, as a blonde woman, are more
Speaker 1: relatable to the average to the average American. Honestly, you were, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll say yes, like you're touring because it's like,
Speaker 1: well it sounds it sounds like coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: It feels right, sounds it feels right. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: like I actually think it will really help Charlie because
Speaker 1: like I remember like his solo project and he like
Speaker 1: had that word that he made up called like no
Speaker 1: One Keeper Swanky Monkeys. Oh yeah, he actually did make
Speaker 1: up swinky and you know keep was his bleachers right exactly.
Speaker 1: It was like and it was like, yeah, like that's good,
Speaker 1: Like sure, like some people really like keeper Swinky. But
Speaker 1: like it's like Pelly is like he's like taking this
Speaker 1: like bigger role in like more of that territorial way,
Speaker 1: and it's like you're really seeing his taste and like
Speaker 1: it's just and Pelly is simpler, like more people are
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, okay, so no one keepers showing key
Speaker 1: means nevertheless keepers, right, That's that's like did vocals on that, right,
Speaker 1: he did vocals on it, and he and he did
Speaker 1: like yeah, and it was like good, like people do
Speaker 1: like it, but like not as many, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like quite simple pure people are going to
Speaker 1: want to say nevertheless, you persisted in like an iranic way.
Speaker 1: Then then are gonna want to say period in conversation.
Speaker 1: R wow, wow. I um, I'm just so honored that
Speaker 1: he Yeah, I'm just so honored he like knew that
Speaker 1: my voice would fit his project. Yeah, and you're you know,
Speaker 1: you're a relatively new artist. Yeah, so to trust you
Speaker 1: with that, to trust you with that, and to say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, she might not be a household name yet,
Speaker 1: but I can't imagine someone else having Palely like I can't.
Speaker 1: It can't be h you know, it can't be an
Speaker 1: Eliza's lessing, can't be a John Mullaney like yes, you
Speaker 1: know of course being like Pally like yeah, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: John Mlae, Like sure, John Maliney can sell anything. He's huge,
Speaker 1: like he can go around and tour and and and
Speaker 1: spread pelly. But like it wouldn't it wouldn't be special, right,
Speaker 1: It wasn't the same impact, and it would feel forced,
Speaker 1: it would feel ful right, it would be so like manufactured.
Speaker 1: And that's why I mean, that is why Charlie is
Speaker 1: like Jack Antonov is because he thought of this with you.
Speaker 1: It's like Jack Antonov writes different things for Lana and
Speaker 1: does for Tailor than he does Lord A little. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely question very Lord. And Pelly is giving lay and
Speaker 1: not just because it sounds like you're speaking in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: answered Pelly. Hell, I can I read the text. On
Speaker 1: Thursday PM, Charlie texted me. When I say Pelly, I
Speaker 1: mean period and I said, ha, No, that's fucking cute though, Pelly, Well,
Speaker 1: I told Charlie. I texted Charlie, I think Pelly is
Speaker 1: going to become the new Bench like that that is
Speaker 1: the level of because Bench. Here's the thing with Bench,
Speaker 1: I mean, much like a lot of Jack Entnot's work,
Speaker 1: it is both it's both indie and mainstream, Like do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like it's sort of
Speaker 1: Carly ray Jepson Like it's like it's indie enough to
Speaker 1: have a cool factor, but it's mainstream enough that like, yes,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift could cover it for Tiny Dog. Oh my god. Wow.
Speaker 1: So like John Laney could say it. John Laney could
Speaker 1: definitely say it. But here's the thing. But when he does,
Speaker 1: then people will be like, Okay, I guess Pelly's over.
Speaker 1: Well some you know, we will be, but like, there
Speaker 1: will be a lot of people that will be like
Speaker 1: wearing Pelly shirts at that point. That's true. I mean,
Speaker 1: there will be like keep common Pelly. There will be
Speaker 1: like sorry, keep coming on. There will be like, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of um. I mean, I hate to say it
Speaker 1: because this is not my story to tell, but there
Speaker 1: will be feminine products that use Pelly to mean the
Speaker 1: other kind of period and that. UM. I just think
Speaker 1: what was so amazing about the rollout of this product
Speaker 1: is the um you really created sort of an exclusiveness
Speaker 1: that made people, you know, feel like they're on the
Speaker 1: outside and in a way that really makes them want
Speaker 1: to to understand Pelly. It really makes them want to
Speaker 1: be able to perform it themselves exactly. Um. I found.
Speaker 1: I mean when we were at this party a few
Speaker 1: days ago and I was across the room and I
Speaker 1: think I was even you know, maybe walking over to
Speaker 1: your section and hadn't even been to your section of
Speaker 1: the party yet, so you know, I was already feeling
Speaker 1: mothered in many ways off. Yeah, and so you um, actually,
Speaker 1: as a group, ILL looked at me and said, Sam,
Speaker 1: say Pelly, and I said, I don't know what that means,
Speaker 1: and you said, just say it, just say Pelly. And
Speaker 1: then I said Kelly, and then everyone goes and no.
Speaker 1: It felt it really felt um middle school bully, sort
Speaker 1: of back of the bus vibes, but in a way
Speaker 1: that triggered such an emotional response that I said, I
Speaker 1: will never from this point on, I will never not
Speaker 1: know what Pelly is. Yeah, um for better or work
Speaker 1: sometimes you need to do those tactics. The marketing is
Speaker 1: just very genius. Yeah, the marketing, marketing. And I think Sam,
Speaker 1: you're pointing to such an important part of Pelly, which
Speaker 1: is it sounds exclusive, but as soon as you figure
Speaker 1: it's so obvious, it's like it's not like there's nothing complicated,
Speaker 1: and so it's really kind of in that way poptimist.
Speaker 1: M m hm m hmmm. And Pelly helly Lly, Pellylly
Speaker 1: just like so like yeah, Belly, Kelly, so like proud
Speaker 1: of yourself. Yeah, proud of yourself for like punctuating whatever
Speaker 1: your statement was. Yeah, Pelly, Belly should we do our
Speaker 1: first segment and just know in our hearts that Pelly
Speaker 1: will come back. Yeah. And I also just want to say, George,
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing up Pelly. Yeah, I think, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. And if Charlie does get upset with
Speaker 1: me on January third, he probably won't because he'll be
Speaker 1: in a good mood I think in jail, right, it's
Speaker 1: the new year. To Charlie's credit, this is the third
Speaker 1: time we talked extensively about him on this podcast when
Speaker 1: he has not been here. It's true, so I could see,
Speaker 1: you know, at some point it's sort of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's your guys deal? Like, you know, like I could
Speaker 1: see him like reaching a breaking point. Yeah, I keep
Speaker 1: talking about me like I don't know what's so freaking
Speaker 1: funny about me, Like I'm just a guy, and like
Speaker 1: even like your friend, I'm just writing words. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, I do want to say, Richard,
Speaker 1: you know you had and I'm not saying this to
Speaker 1: blame you in any way, but thank you. There's a
Speaker 1: sort of machiavellian you know, you you had the chance
Speaker 1: to not debut Pelley if you wanted to really chicken
Speaker 1: with Charlie. And you know, maybe when he was on
Speaker 1: a groundbreaking, critically acclaimed comedy podcast, he could have done
Speaker 1: it himself. But I know I saw it in your eyes,
Speaker 1: like you're like, I'm a star, I have the spotlight
Speaker 1: on me now, I'm not going to let this moment pass.
Speaker 1: What just so I could maintain a friendship, That's not
Speaker 1: what this is. No. I thought it so amazing that
Speaker 1: you showed like this like Hollywood like cutthroat like mindset
Speaker 1: sort of like like that's what we're really looking for
Speaker 1: in you. Like yeah, and by the way, Richard, it's
Speaker 1: not just that you showed that side of yourself, but
Speaker 1: then you also stressed so much. You did the whole
Speaker 1: like my dear friend Charlie. Oh, Charlie, let me find
Speaker 1: the text. So you're really sort of it's like, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very like Taylor Swift doing the arrow when she
Speaker 1: talked about her girl squad and all of them you know,
Speaker 1: of course hate her. It's like, you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: you want to have it both ways. You want to
Speaker 1: be known not as a diva, as as someone who
Speaker 1: is friends with everyone, as someone who everyone supports, but
Speaker 1: behind the scenes you're going on podcast and taking credit
Speaker 1: for Pelly. That really sucks. I think it's great cut.
Speaker 1: We're going to just cut this whole thing. We'll just
Speaker 1: cut this whole thing and I'll get my We'll just
Speaker 1: cut this, yeah, and if and if we don't, then
Speaker 1: my legal etcetera. Consider it cut Kelly, Kelly, I'll send
Speaker 1: you guys, so sleep and guess who's Guess who's not
Speaker 1: getting a cut of the proceedure Charlie. Yeah. People go
Speaker 1: to go to his show like Exploration Live and Pelly
Speaker 1: T shirts and Pelly T shirts and they're like, do
Speaker 1: you know Richard Perez he admitted, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to know her. I just have to keep
Speaker 1: saying like he came up with it. Yeah, Well, we're
Speaker 1: going to edit out. It's going to sound it's gonna
Speaker 1: sound like you are taking credit for and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna say like, they gave me the villain edit. They
Speaker 1: gave me the villain edit, and they be like, she's crazy,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's unstable. It's like I came up
Speaker 1: with Pelly. Okay, Richard, we absolutely have to get in
Speaker 1: our first segment my pants Live on Air. Okay, and
Speaker 1: no one wants to see that again. Oh brother, But
Speaker 1: your first segment is called straight Shooters, and then we
Speaker 1: ask you a series of rapid fire questions to gauge
Speaker 1: your familiarity with complicity and straight culture. Basically, it's this
Speaker 1: thing or this other thing, and you just have to
Speaker 1: pick one, and the only rule is no follow up
Speaker 1: questions or will scream at you as loud as we can. Okay,
Speaker 1: should we start? Okay? Yeah? Okay? Great Richard. Corporal punishment
Speaker 1: or corporate self assessment, corporate brtal punishment Richard, an open
Speaker 1: concept kitchen or an open casket funeral, open casket funeral. Okay, Richard,
Speaker 1: rock paper scissors or lock stock and two smoking barrels
Speaker 1: of rock paper scissor keeping a journal or sleeping with
Speaker 1: the colonel. Sleeping with the colonel um your reputation era
Speaker 1: or the nation's reconstruction era, uh my reputation era? Okay,
Speaker 1: Richard zach Braff or literally any guy from the street,
Speaker 1: Any guy from the street, Richard, a snow day, hey Day,
Speaker 1: or a gay day at disney World, in which all
Speaker 1: are welcome, no matter who you love. The last one Richard,
Speaker 1: the seven year itch or a seventh tier bitch, seven
Speaker 1: year rich Wow, really good job. You know. There was
Speaker 1: such a calmness to you and almost a coldness when
Speaker 1: I was like, oh he hates that's how that's the vibe. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I just get nervously Yeah, And I feel
Speaker 1: like in these situations like I'm just like, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I guess I do come off a little
Speaker 1: cold sometimes and I really don't mean to. I think
Speaker 1: I'm just like trying to like answer as quick and
Speaker 1: clear as I can, of course, but sometimes I get
Speaker 1: that way in general, like in in I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm like talking two people. Richard stopped crying. Richard
Speaker 1: act got about cold, Like, what the fuck? We asked
Speaker 1: you to be on the podcast for a reason. We
Speaker 1: both we know who you are, and bitch, Kelly Richard,
Speaker 1: we both stold Charlie's I d I ruined everything. No, Richard,
Speaker 1: we both like we both watched the audition tape for
Speaker 1: this podcast and it was so fucking funny, Like we
Speaker 1: saw that and we said, this girl is a star
Speaker 1: and needs to be on our podcast, and so like,
Speaker 1: Charlie can't take that away from you, like no one
Speaker 1: in America can take that away from you. Pelly do
Speaker 1: you mean that? I mean that, Richard, look at me, Richard?
Speaker 1: What Kelly what Richard? But Richard, but don't you take
Speaker 1: that tone with us? What word? We're going to get back.
Speaker 1: We're going to get him, and we're gonna and and
Speaker 1: and you are going to crush this. You're going to
Speaker 1: not get out of the car. Yelly together. So are
Speaker 1: you ready to restart? Can we say together? The three
Speaker 1: of us? One? That was cute? Okay? Podcast restarts now.
Speaker 1: So it's January three and Richard Perez is in the
Speaker 1: studio and happy as a clam. Richard, you just got
Speaker 1: back from your big tour promoting Pelly. Yeah, how did
Speaker 1: it go? He was a dream come true. I mean,
Speaker 1: working with Charlie bar Day, It's just a complete dream fantasy.
Speaker 1: Just everyone that got to meet on tour. Um was
Speaker 1: just so friendly, so exciting, and the crowd was just
Speaker 1: we really really appreciate all the support. Yeah. Did anything
Speaker 1: surprise you? Um? I've um anything that surprised me? I
Speaker 1: would say, were any parts of the country like not? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean you did get into some hot water when
Speaker 1: you had your stop over in Moscow? Do you want
Speaker 1: to address That's right? Yeah? Um, I think I can't
Speaker 1: really talk about that yet. Um, but I do want
Speaker 1: to say that all parties involved are just really really
Speaker 1: excited about this collaboration. Me Charlie Moscow, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an amazing um squad squad goals. I would say
Speaker 1: l A was so fun. Oh well, la is such
Speaker 1: an amazing city. I mean, the only reason to go
Speaker 1: to Moscow was the test out material, So you can
Speaker 1: take it. I went to I did it at Largo,
Speaker 1: and I just got on stage. I said, probby and
Speaker 1: then we all went home. Yeah, you had an hour
Speaker 1: long set and you said it is okay if I
Speaker 1: just do one second. And then they were like sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're Richard King Perez, so Richard. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need to get into the topic for the day. Um,
Speaker 1: you guys, it's not happening naturally for me. Well you're
Speaker 1: forcing it. You have to wait for a time. I'm
Speaker 1: really forcing to get And it really is so annoying
Speaker 1: because I was actually doing Do you ever say period
Speaker 1: in your real life? I do, But I was doing
Speaker 1: it so well at the party, and I actually it
Speaker 1: felt so so good. Middle school bullying. Yeah, and now
Speaker 1: it's but but you know what it's fine, it's fine,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to the topic. We're gonna and
Speaker 1: I have my whole life ahead of me to do.
Speaker 1: You do you do? And also, this is what this
Speaker 1: is what I'm predicting. I bet you when January three,
Speaker 1: it's going to be natural. You're so right, You're gonna
Speaker 1: listen to this episode and be like, I remember what
Speaker 1: that young version of me exactly. It's like I was
Speaker 1: still figuring figuring it out. The things I was worried about,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about them now anymore. And that's actually
Speaker 1: part of Okay, so this is the last thing I'll
Speaker 1: say about Kelly. That's part of the appeal to where
Speaker 1: there are three stages of Pelly. First, you feel like
Speaker 1: an outsider because you don't know what it is. Then
Speaker 1: you learn it and you're like, oh, it's so easy.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm part of the club. And then you try
Speaker 1: to do it and it's actually a little harder than
Speaker 1: you think. Right, it's a little embarrassing at first, or
Speaker 1: it's kind of like exactly right, so it's too simple
Speaker 1: that it's like I'm like, what is what's the I
Speaker 1: must be doing something wrong exactly exactly and so then
Speaker 1: finally fourth step is you do start doing it right
Speaker 1: and it comes out and then it just happens and
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, and it comes naturally to it's I
Speaker 1: think it's really exciting. Sir Richard. We uh You and
Speaker 1: I talked about the topic before the episode started that
Speaker 1: Sam wasn't on the zoom at the time, so this
Speaker 1: is something I needed flushing out. So well, you now
Speaker 1: get to tell Sam for the first time. When we
Speaker 1: get to see his reaction, I mean, if them in
Speaker 1: to post it to YouTube, it's like Grandma's react, but
Speaker 1: it's like Stam reacting to the topic. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: Pelly all over again. To be honest, outside it's straight. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: my take it away. My topic stems from my experiences.
Speaker 1: I got a b f A, I went to art school,
Speaker 1: and I studied photography, so I think my topic is
Speaker 1: taking pictures. Wow, that is first of all the backstory
Speaker 1: surprises me. I mean, Richard, I obviously think you're capable
Speaker 1: of literally anything you put your mind too. I think
Speaker 1: the inventor of Pelly Um, the rightful air of the
Speaker 1: Petty Fortune, can do anything he wants. However, I just
Speaker 1: I am when used to be fair. I was like
Speaker 1: in performance, in performance exactly exactly. I feel the same
Speaker 1: to me. You read as classically trained, and really, I
Speaker 1: would say, actually to a fall, yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: little uptight sometimes, you know. Sometimes we're in conversation, you
Speaker 1: will immediately embody a character yeah, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: calm down. I was just we're just ordering Latte's yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm a widow, m yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like about like the way you
Speaker 1: project your voice. It's like, okay, like we don't need
Speaker 1: to like like you're not on stage right now, Like
Speaker 1: you don't need to be like projecting to the back
Speaker 1: of the room. You know what I mean. You're someone
Speaker 1: who has done vocal warmups before I started this zoom.
Speaker 1: But but what's interesting to me about that compared to photography, Photography,
Speaker 1: by definition, is turning the camera the other way, turning
Speaker 1: the camera the other way, not towards your way usually. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, unless you're taking a selfie, which
Speaker 1: I guess counts as a photo a selfie self portraits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's but traditionally photography is an art form. They're taking photos,
Speaker 1: You're taking photos of other things, You're documenting other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's documenting that I feel. I mean, we could
Speaker 1: certainly go in that direction, but I want you to
Speaker 1: be not I want you to like embrace photography as
Speaker 1: a topic. I think it's such a beautiful topic. I
Speaker 1: feel like you're not your second guessing yourself. I am second.
Speaker 1: I feel really insecure right now. Okay, Richard, not means
Speaker 1: a cure. I have to come up with like a
Speaker 1: different phrase with that intonation. Everyone, Well, why what what
Speaker 1: reads straight about photography to you? I just feel like
Speaker 1: what what reads straight about it? Is? Maybe okay personally
Speaker 1: I'm totally projecting, but I'm like I feel when I
Speaker 1: was like not out, I feel like I used it
Speaker 1: as like a vehicle to kind of like have a
Speaker 1: reason to be like in a space a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's d of dramatic, but like but like you know,
Speaker 1: like I kind of just like I feel like it
Speaker 1: was this way that I couldn't really face my own
Speaker 1: interiority so much. But I mean I was in a
Speaker 1: way because I'm like taking pictures. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: I'm reacting to something I see and then like at
Speaker 1: you know, creating it together, like put it online, like
Speaker 1: there's there's something I was trying to say, which is
Speaker 1: like I'm gay. I think ultimately like that's all way,
Speaker 1: what my whole b f a that and so I'm
Speaker 1: gay and I want to perform. It was just like
Speaker 1: it was photos of Giant. Yeah. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: Cox on stage with a little mike, with little mic
Speaker 1: and like red curtain, yeah, yours dressed as like Starlett's
Speaker 1: cos dressed as different performers and Marilyn Monroe Cock, I
Speaker 1: want to be loved to buy you, I'd purchase guess
Speaker 1: what I would purchase. And and by the way, that
Speaker 1: would literally at this moment in time do well, that
Speaker 1: would definitely, I mean I could I mean I don't know,
Speaker 1: you could just do it. I could just do it.
Speaker 1: It could be merch Yeah, Sam and I will model.
Speaker 1: Would you want to do a collapse stradio lab and me? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Well we could do our our It could be our
Speaker 1: heart dicks dressed as ourselves. So Sam's would have a
Speaker 1: mustache and I would have a beer and a sort
Speaker 1: of buzzed head glasses and we would have little podcast
Speaker 1: my and it could be you know, we could be.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you could sort of
Speaker 1: set up a photo studio and it could be like
Speaker 1: the No Hate photos where they hate face, but it's
Speaker 1: each person like taking photos of their dicks as different starlets. Genius.
Speaker 1: That actually is genius. Unfortunately. Yeah, like I feel like
Speaker 1: you would of your thesis would have been a slagh
Speaker 1: if we went to school together, right or right? It
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had the tension of the closet right. So, Richard,
Speaker 1: do you believe that all photographers are straight or all
Speaker 1: are gay but can't admit it? I think maybe more
Speaker 1: so the latter than the first. I would I would
Speaker 1: lean more towards that a little bit. But I think
Speaker 1: just in general, like I don't know, like there's something
Speaker 1: about like wanting to take a picture of like something
Speaker 1: like a building or like anything, I guess whatever, like
Speaker 1: your surroundings, that just feels not always just in general,
Speaker 1: can feel kind of um, like you're pulling away a
Speaker 1: little from yourself or like you're saying there's there's a repressions,
Speaker 1: repression of an emotional thing, and I think that's very straight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally doesn't make sense. I don't know, complete sense. No,
Speaker 1: it's not about it at all. It's not about it
Speaker 1: at all. I think the oppression thing makes sense. I
Speaker 1: think also at its core and I understand that, you know,
Speaker 1: it is very easy to argue against this, but at
Speaker 1: its core it's very literal art form to where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: it's straighter than painting, right, right, you're just like documenting
Speaker 1: something or it's like it can also be like yes,
Speaker 1: photography can be beautiful and it can be artistic, but
Speaker 1: it can also be so just like what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like getting or your book photos taken, getting passport photos,
Speaker 1: a wedding photographer, Like is there anything straighter than someone
Speaker 1: whose job is a wedding photographer? Just like taking the
Speaker 1: same photos over and over again, you know, uh, just
Speaker 1: reading a newspaper and you have like don't think of
Speaker 1: like a really like artsy magazine cover shoot or something,
Speaker 1: but just like they have to have a photo to
Speaker 1: show you what the article is about. And like I
Speaker 1: just I'm thinking about like because I graduated with a
Speaker 1: lot of straight guys like an art school, studying photography,
Speaker 1: and like I feel like there's some of them that
Speaker 1: I remember, or maybe like the Great Younger where it's
Speaker 1: just like they photographed like car parts and like it's
Speaker 1: it's all like, oh, like I caught this in this
Speaker 1: design and I don't know, like like it's it's like
Speaker 1: they're making it about something else. Do you think finding
Speaker 1: beauty in the existing world is gay or straight? I
Speaker 1: think finding beauty in the existing world is I don't know,
Speaker 1: you should ask that in the next Dan, what's that second?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I should just ask that question. What do
Speaker 1: you think? I think that's a genius question. I think
Speaker 1: beauty in the existing things is straight because it's an
Speaker 1: embrace of sort of status quo, and it's saying like
Speaker 1: we don't need to change any thing, like let's just
Speaker 1: it's like actually, let's like let's keep things how they are.
Speaker 1: Actually exactly, the traditional family is like really good, like
Speaker 1: like and you would think it's the opposite, But like
Speaker 1: that guy, the guy in American Beauty that is like
Speaker 1: brought to tears by the plastic bag, could not be straighter,
Speaker 1: right exactly. I mean, why are you crying, like truly
Speaker 1: crying an orgasm because of a plastic bag? It's literally yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like if you like that, you stick
Speaker 1: right and I'm clean up your neighborhood, right, pick up,
Speaker 1: dream of a better future? Pick that up? About take
Speaker 1: a photo of it? And you do? You pick it up?
Speaker 1: I'm in the background, like walking up to him. What
Speaker 1: the funk? Pick that up? I mean, yeah, finding okay?
Speaker 1: Whereas I'm trying to think, like I have to be
Speaker 1: completely honest. I understand that photos can be some thos
Speaker 1: are better than others. I do know this to be true,
Speaker 1: and some photos are so gay well obvious, like photos
Speaker 1: of dicks. I mean, gay photography is it's very own genre. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and it's actually straighter than straight photos because talk about literal.
Speaker 1: It's like, at least straight photographers have the courtesy to
Speaker 1: take a photo of plastic bag. Gay photographers are literally
Speaker 1: only taking photos of dicks right or like right, like
Speaker 1: ripped guys like shirtless, which you know we over here
Speaker 1: it's trade all have incorporated really celebrate, are you know?
Speaker 1: I think if there were no tasteful photos of guys
Speaker 1: in various stages of nudity, what would we have? I
Speaker 1: agree with that? Yeah, mhm, I mean Rembrandt right, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so, honey. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's like the two kinds of photography, are finding beauty
Speaker 1: in the existing world or making something beautiful to photograph it? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And so the question is are both of those straight?
Speaker 1: Is any are like anie Lebowitz's photos straight? I would
Speaker 1: argue yes, see, yeah, I think they're straight. Why would
Speaker 1: you argue yes? Because it's so maybe what I'm equating
Speaker 1: in my mind with straight and in terms of photography
Speaker 1: is like, um, it's it's just serving its purpose. Like
Speaker 1: it's so it's so just like literal and like direct
Speaker 1: and and uh like mechanical like or really technical or
Speaker 1: like something like that. Like it's like more about that
Speaker 1: than like than so much like the actual meaning of
Speaker 1: the thing or whatever. I feel like what you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. With a photo person, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of gear yes, exactly, when you have to be like
Speaker 1: a gearhead and be like, Okay, well I need this
Speaker 1: kind of light, I need this kind of lighting with
Speaker 1: a and I'm just yeah, and like they're always like
Speaker 1: replacing the battery on the flag. I'm taking a picture
Speaker 1: of my legs and I'm putting it next to a
Speaker 1: picture of my mom. Yeah. Sam, You're so wise to
Speaker 1: bring it back to the materiality of the apparatus that
Speaker 1: is being used, like, it's not like there's actually no
Speaker 1: reason to take it so high concept. Like the reason
Speaker 1: it's straight is because you're literally using a tool grow
Speaker 1: yeah right, like pick up a paintbrush and the tool
Speaker 1: is like expensive and like you can like all these
Speaker 1: different accessories, but none of the accessories like are feminine
Speaker 1: at all. It's like, oh yeah, this is like the
Speaker 1: Xcel w G two and it's like, oh really, oh interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was going to get that. How much was that like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you might as well be into cars exactly literally, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I guess the question becomes is the fact that
Speaker 1: the smartphone democratized photography gay or straight? Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty gay. And I was even gonna say, you know,
Speaker 1: we brought up selfies earlier, but I do think the
Speaker 1: selfie as photography is inherently a queer form. Yes, definitely, yes,
Speaker 1: but that's because it's there's performance in it as well
Speaker 1: as and also there's no technical element, like you're just
Speaker 1: like this is what the Lord's completely I feel like
Speaker 1: a selfie is totally just like inspired for the most
Speaker 1: very generally speaking, it's just like I'm just gonna going
Speaker 1: to capture this like I'm like feeling moself. It's like
Speaker 1: an emotional response to like how you how you look,
Speaker 1: how you're feeling, who you're with or whatever, whatever the
Speaker 1: reason that it's making you take a selfie and like
Speaker 1: it's in the emotion tied to it. Richard. This brings
Speaker 1: up a really interesting point. And I think you're kind
Speaker 1: of the intersection of both of these things where you
Speaker 1: literally have a b a fan photography and you know,
Speaker 1: I've only even following you on social media for a
Speaker 1: few months now, but you um post a lot of selfies.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say so as someone with
Speaker 1: a degree in both um drag. That's not a drag.
Speaker 1: Damn you do. You're always doing the little middle finger thing, Richard.
Speaker 1: I think your selfies are really beaudi they are, but
Speaker 1: you agree there's a lot of them for listeners that
Speaker 1: I don't know. Me, I like do duck face with
Speaker 1: like my middle finger in a b oh yeah at
Speaker 1: my job. Yeah, you love doing duck face middle finger
Speaker 1: in the base. Yeah. Oh my god, you're doing it now, Kelly. Okay, sorry, Sam,
Speaker 1: you're getting at something so important. I want you out.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say like where do you like do
Speaker 1: you feel that like that has been your journey? Like,
Speaker 1: is that you accepting your queerness? Oh? Right to go
Speaker 1: from photographing in a professional context to simply taking selfies
Speaker 1: in a basement on your iPhone with is that? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that what coming out is? Yeah? Coming to terms
Speaker 1: with one's queerness For me, yeah, yeah, And that's why
Speaker 1: I stand out in the photo industry. I don't see
Speaker 1: Ryan McGinley walking around being like palty. No, absolutely he might,
Speaker 1: I hope, so I do. I do agree that iPhone
Speaker 1: like when something is shot on an iPhone that is
Speaker 1: gay because literally a monkey could do it. That's yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's it's not yeah, it's not so technical. It's into it.
Speaker 1: If it's intuitive, it's how you were literally born knowing
Speaker 1: how to take a picture. We're born this way, knowing
Speaker 1: how it's born exactly. How's that for logic? That's probably perfect, Richard,
Speaker 1: be honest. Did it hurt your feelings when I said
Speaker 1: that you take a lot of selfies? No? Actually it
Speaker 1: actually really didn't. If anything, it made me think about it.
Speaker 1: I go do I I guess I do it. That's
Speaker 1: a really big part of my think. Noutput yeah, my creative,
Speaker 1: it's my art. But like selfies, it's not like selfie
Speaker 1: is like it's just me being like I look good.
Speaker 1: It's like I actually don't look good in all of them,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm kind of I'm being really like silly
Speaker 1: and I'm Cindy Sherman, right right. Yeah. Do you think
Speaker 1: anybody toasts selfies to be like I look good here anymore?
Speaker 1: M m yeah, I think that's straight, right, straight? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 1: Or it's more just like basic yeah yeah yeah, most
Speaker 1: gay people are straight and that's that's true. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: So well, I was what I was thinking. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen many I feel like I used to see way
Speaker 1: more Twitter gays posting selfies that were just sort of
Speaker 1: like Tuesday alert or like I felt felt weird today,
Speaker 1: like I guess I'm in the spirit of the holidays,
Speaker 1: and are these flattering selfies are not flattering flattering selfies,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they've kind of gone away, like
Speaker 1: maybe it's a Twitter issue. But I feel like I
Speaker 1: literally think it might be a Twitter issue because I've
Speaker 1: noticed this too, and now like there was just a
Speaker 1: time when everything that would be suggested to me. It
Speaker 1: was when we recorded our episode with Sarah and we
Speaker 1: were talking about captions that are like it's giving Turkey Girl,
Speaker 1: because every second tweet with someone being like leg day
Speaker 1: more like day and it's like them at the gym. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that has completely not completely, but disappeared in a way
Speaker 1: that I'm sorry. But my of course favorite genre is
Speaker 1: someone wearing the most normal outfit you've ever seen and
Speaker 1: then posting I'm serving dad on a c double show. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the one they always do also is like the
Speaker 1: Pixar Dad like they're like and it's like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a guy with a mustache, like you have a mustache,
Speaker 1: Like it's fine. I want to address one more thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm trying to think of other sort of cliche
Speaker 1: types of photos. Like another one is polaroids. Yes, polaroids are.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's like what we were saying like earlier
Speaker 1: about like what were we talking about before we recorded.
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about how something Oh, like
Speaker 1: the screenshot that you sent Sam that's very like m
Speaker 1: I A like the cover art of that album with
Speaker 1: like a bunch of Yeah, Sam, screen was kind of
Speaker 1: covered in different QuickTime windows and he was like, it
Speaker 1: looks like the m I A cover that is sort
Speaker 1: of digital brutalist. And then I was like, my my
Speaker 1: intuition was like, that's so two thirteen, that's so like Tumbler,
Speaker 1: it's so b f A, so s v A, that's
Speaker 1: so pratt whatever, and like but then you brought up
Speaker 1: a point You're like, that's so funny that like we
Speaker 1: referenced it there when it is referencing like nineties clip
Speaker 1: are or like whatever. I feel like Polaroids is kind
Speaker 1: of in a similar model. It's just like cyclical, but
Speaker 1: then I'm sure it changes each time it comes back.
Speaker 1: It serves like a or I don't know, appeals to
Speaker 1: maybe like in a different way. Yeah, like a polaroid
Speaker 1: today is doing like two hipster culture right exactly. It's
Speaker 1: harkening back to that and two thousand and ten. When
Speaker 1: it was actually that, it was like whoa like and
Speaker 1: it was like hard to find film and it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like this really remarkable. It felt very
Speaker 1: like I don't even know what the word is. It
Speaker 1: is crazy to live through what I'm saying. I feel
Speaker 1: like we are the age where we're living through the
Speaker 1: second wave of nostalgia cycles in a way that is
Speaker 1: actually terrifying. Yeah, it kind of bums me out. Actually
Speaker 1: I missed feeling just authentically good about stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean like this is actually really cool. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: hate I never want to be the person that's like like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, they don't even know, like that's actually
Speaker 1: from this album and it's actually a cover. Like I
Speaker 1: hate when people, oh, they don't even know that. That
Speaker 1: shows just like a pastiche of eighties sitcoms, like like Shot.
Speaker 1: But then someone's going to make a show that's about
Speaker 1: two gay guys making a podcast and one of them
Speaker 1: has a mustache, and and we're gonna have to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you don't even know that was about Oh it's so cruel,
Speaker 1: what a cruel world? Wait, okay, I also want to
Speaker 1: say about photography. One time I met this like really
Speaker 1: really christian guy, um who was a photographer, and he
Speaker 1: would like only take pictures of like water and like
Speaker 1: like flowers and ducks and stuff, and um that felt
Speaker 1: extremely closeted guy to me. Totally. I could see that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the deal with nature photography? I mean nature photography,
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, probably one of the first subjects
Speaker 1: captured when we figured out the camera OBSCUREA we were
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, we're gonna this big. I guess
Speaker 1: we'll take a photo of amount of we will capture
Speaker 1: something that will be still and it's our very earth.
Speaker 1: So there's that origin to landscapes and or nature or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I don't know, but then there
Speaker 1: are ways to I don't know. It's one of those
Speaker 1: things that's like like that guy you're describing, that guy
Speaker 1: taking pictures of like ducks or whatever, like like I
Speaker 1: could totally see that being like this introspective um like
Speaker 1: expression or like you you're wanting to express something but
Speaker 1: you just can't. I mean, if picture says more than
Speaker 1: a thousand words, okay, and I'm so happy you brought
Speaker 1: that up. Well, okay, first of all, I think we
Speaker 1: can all agree that nature photography either means you have
Speaker 1: reached a state of nirvana where you're one with God
Speaker 1: or your closeted Yes, yes, yes, um so that's fine,
Speaker 1: except like photographing like lions or something like that's so straight,
Speaker 1: Well that that's because they're masculine. Yeah, yeah, Like the
Speaker 1: National Geographic Wildlife Photography Contest is one of the straightest
Speaker 1: things I ever heard of in my life, and then
Speaker 1: always like what wins is like something coming out of
Speaker 1: the water holding a fish, but you know, of course congrats,
Speaker 1: of course. I mean catching a fish on camera is
Speaker 1: really hard. They're so fast, by the way, I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with people that play football too, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's ethical. I'm actually not then impressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I could do it. I mean literally
Speaker 1: put me in. That's actually like of all the sports,
Speaker 1: that's like the one where I'm like, what are you
Speaker 1: even doing? What are you even doing? I know, literally
Speaker 1: all you have to do is like knock your head
Speaker 1: against another person's head. Yeah, like I guess the person
Speaker 1: that throws the ball. There's a lot of like pressure
Speaker 1: because you don't have much time, but it's like who cares? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree football socks.
Speaker 1: Final thoughts. I want to get everyone's final thoughts on
Speaker 1: the following question. Is a picture worth a thousand words?
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking about I think, um, honestly, a
Speaker 1: lot of times, No, I agree. I think that it's
Speaker 1: like so messed up to even say that. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: like that's like being like because like I feel like,
Speaker 1: actually it's like kind of wasteful because you can with
Speaker 1: about ten words you can create like a beautiful image
Speaker 1: in someone's mind. I completely agree. Yeah, it's actually like
Speaker 1: so offensive and you and we have to have more
Speaker 1: respect for the written word. The idea that you took
Speaker 1: a photo what on your iPhone and you think that's
Speaker 1: worth a thousand thousand words, it's like duck and sucking
Speaker 1: out of your mind. Unbelievable. It's fucking crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like picture prompts and no one wants to do those. Wait,
Speaker 1: what are picture prompts you have in like standardized tests
Speaker 1: or something like. Um, there's like they show you a
Speaker 1: picture and you just have to come up with a
Speaker 1: store like five paragraphs literally a thousand words. But guess
Speaker 1: what though, those are a thousand words that like, but
Speaker 1: you're it's all you came up. Yeah yeah, you can
Speaker 1: be inspired, right right, But it's like it's not actually
Speaker 1: worth a thousand words. It's not actually thousand words. You're
Speaker 1: forced exactly, and you are elevating the photo by it
Speaker 1: by accompanying it with your thousands. I think a photo
Speaker 1: is worth upwards of twenty words. Do you know what?
Speaker 1: Here's what I think is that. Ultimately it depends and
Speaker 1: if you show me a photo that's literally just like
Speaker 1: to use this sort of cliche example, someone's brunch, someone's
Speaker 1: instagramming their brunch. Guess what that's worth exactly one word,
Speaker 1: and that word is brunch. Yeah, maybe two words brunch, binch.
Speaker 1: That was delicious. Um. Great, photos are not worth a
Speaker 1: thousand words, um, but you know what some words are
Speaker 1: worth a thousand words? Great? Like yeah, exactly, like or
Speaker 1: like the word um, effervescent or juxtapis Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh you know what word is worth like two thousand
Speaker 1: words right now? Prescriptive I love people and not a
Speaker 1: medical Oh my god, of course, being like, oh you're
Speaker 1: being like, I don't want to be prescriptive, but tell
Speaker 1: me whatever. I'm like, exactly, Yeah, I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And you know you know what word I hate? Prescriptive
Speaker 1: to me? It opens up my world. I I so
Speaker 1: want to know what is or is not prescriptive. No
Speaker 1: word I hate right now that is being overused. The
Speaker 1: word un serious. Oh yeah, have you seen that, Richard? No,
Speaker 1: I think un serious might be like your Pelly Hope
Speaker 1: not because it's a flop. No, I hate un serious.
Speaker 1: It's such as those stupid very Twitter lazy. It's Twitter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's also pretending you're smart, like you're un serious
Speaker 1: for using the word on serious. Dumbass. Yeah, just there's
Speaker 1: words for that. We don't even be like like open addictionary.
Speaker 1: You don't have to say unsous. Yes, silly, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really use Twitter. So you think
Speaker 1: you're better than that. That is for the best. But
Speaker 1: this Charlie post selfies on Twitter sometimes. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: post photos of you constantly. Yeah, he's like this, he's
Speaker 1: talking so much that they're all like some like he's
Speaker 1: like this bitch isn't on Twitter. So I can finally
Speaker 1: speak for you lads. Like you know, when you're friends
Speaker 1: with someone who just steals your ship, it's really funked
Speaker 1: up when friends don't try. I thought I knew you
Speaker 1: some friend. Huh, thousands of If you see this bitch
Speaker 1: on the street, cross run go as far away as
Speaker 1: you can and don't let him hear you talk. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm really actually like, I'm really glad we got to
Speaker 1: pictures being worth less than a thousand words. That was
Speaker 1: really satisfying. It's kind of like one of my most
Speaker 1: profoundly held beliefs, like moving towards a visual culture was
Speaker 1: a mistake. Totally. Yeah. Wow, we need to get back
Speaker 1: to the written word. Everyone needs to be reading newspapers. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we need to be journaling NonStop. Yes, wow, I
Speaker 1: mean this is January three. This is January three. It's
Speaker 1: January three. And by the way, this actually really ties
Speaker 1: back into Pelly because you created a new word. You
Speaker 1: and Charlie excuse me, created in your word. And actually,
Speaker 1: rather than taking a selfie, why not try to create
Speaker 1: a new word. Yes, that is the challenge. Create a
Speaker 1: new word, a new word, and have fun and put
Speaker 1: down your creating new word and fucking sell it and
Speaker 1: get out there and sell it. Yeah, pitch it like
Speaker 1: make it work, like like nobody handed Richard anything, and
Speaker 1: yet he made Pelly happen exactly. He's just like photography.
Speaker 1: The idea that the average person thinks of photo is
Speaker 1: more important than Pelly is so infuriating to me. I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: I'm actually furious. Wow, So rarely can you be like
Speaker 1: I invented a word? I know, I'm so jealous of
Speaker 1: whoever invented that's such a like wow, I'm jealous of
Speaker 1: even whoever invented like boo yah, yeah, my god, that
Speaker 1: was amazing. Oh my god, Cowabunga amazing. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: a movement, like those words are part of a movement.
Speaker 1: Those words like divine generations, you know, and there's cyclical.
Speaker 1: It'll probably come back. It will probably come back, and
Speaker 1: it'll be nostalgic like oh my god, boy with a
Speaker 1: polaroid picture. That's it. That's it. I'm fucking crazy. Word. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's so funny that it
Speaker 1: actually like I keep trying to invent a word right
Speaker 1: now as we're talking, and I'm like, no, we can.
Speaker 1: I like struggle with it, like I'll be like Maureen
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, that's a thing. Your word
Speaker 1: is Maureen? Okay, Sam, what would it? Let's say your
Speaker 1: word is Maureen, the female name Maureen. What would that?
Speaker 1: What would that mean? And this in this sort of
Speaker 1: universe Mareen. I think it's like like it almost means
Speaker 1: like like you're like tired, like you're like like you're
Speaker 1: like exhaust. That's really good. Yeah, it's like after a
Speaker 1: long day of work moreen. Wow, that could really take off.
Speaker 1: That's really good. That's really take off. And you could
Speaker 1: spell it different than the name, if you could do
Speaker 1: m you r e N if you want, well, if
Speaker 1: I know anything about Maureen the people, they are a
Speaker 1: litigious group and they'll come from me if you exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be sued. Wow, I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to start using me. George. Do you want to try
Speaker 1: to come with the word really quick? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I mean, okay, let me try just
Speaker 1: let it flow. Falcao. Okay, what does it mean? What
Speaker 1: is a very pretty work? Thank you? It's very feminine.
Speaker 1: It's like, but well, no, it's feminine but strong. You
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's a bit of like it's
Speaker 1: somewhere between excuse me and thank you. It's like okay, yes, wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know you're in someone's way, but
Speaker 1: you're not exactly apologizing because you've been taught not you know,
Speaker 1: you've Yeah, it's sort of a general purpose, polite thing
Speaker 1: to say when you are around strangers. Yes, it's something
Speaker 1: you can say when someone when the waiter gives you
Speaker 1: more wine. It's something you can say after after you're
Speaker 1: done purchasing a sweater at Zara, and like, if you
Speaker 1: bump into someone, you can be like felt. Also, even
Speaker 1: if you're like, if you're like wondering if someone's in line,
Speaker 1: you can open with Felka, like you like, are you inlying?
Speaker 1: It's sort of it's sort of in the same family
Speaker 1: as the German beat it, which is like sort of
Speaker 1: like a you know, wow, I love Fela. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but Helly, Maureene and Felca already are more impactful than
Speaker 1: any photograph ever. Exactly, yeah, exactly why I'm glad we
Speaker 1: got there. That really did a lot for me. I
Speaker 1: am truly on cloud nine. I feel relieved. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: do you feel relieved? Because I feel like my choice
Speaker 1: wasn't so bad? Oh my god, we're just such a
Speaker 1: good choice. And and the fact that it was so
Speaker 1: related to two words. Yeah wow. Well, should we do
Speaker 1: our final segment? Yeah? I think we have to. Rich.
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout outs, and in it
Speaker 1: we give a shout out um to anything that we're
Speaker 1: enjoying in sort of the classic street tradition. Imagine it's
Speaker 1: two thousand one, you're at TRL and you're shouting out
Speaker 1: to your squad back home, Um, just about anything that
Speaker 1: you like. And I actually do have one, Okay, so
Speaker 1: I can go first, unless go for him. What's up
Speaker 1: everybody across the globe. I want to give a huge
Speaker 1: shout out to gay photographers. I support you. You are
Speaker 1: the troops. I love you. Yes, we have slander you
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I love you, and I think
Speaker 1: the work that you're doing is so important because you
Speaker 1: understand that sometimes you just want to be a little
Speaker 1: horny and not like look at porn, but you do
Speaker 1: want to be like seeing something kind of hot and
Speaker 1: like yeah, you like put a little artistic spin on it,
Speaker 1: and I think that's beautiful. Um. Shout out to my
Speaker 1: friend Bryson. Hi, Bryson, I love you. You are a
Speaker 1: gay photographer and you took sexy picks of me and
Speaker 1: I will put them on the internet one day, but
Speaker 1: today is not that. Dave and all gay photographers out there,
Speaker 1: I'm open to it and I want it all right,
Speaker 1: give me one second, it's gonna come to me. Nothing
Speaker 1: you're grateful for. You have nothing you're grateful for. You'd
Speaker 1: be surprised. Oh okay, okay, all right, I'm ready go
Speaker 1: for it. What's up everybody? Hope everyone is having such
Speaker 1: a good New year, and I hope you guys are
Speaker 1: all slaying the adult NG game in the in the
Speaker 1: new month and the new year in the new week.
Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday from all of us here on the team.
Speaker 1: And I just want to give a shout out to
Speaker 1: kind of rejecting the impulse to find to read something
Speaker 1: as a metaphor. I just watched the film Bones and All,
Speaker 1: where Timothy shadow May plays Accountable, and I found myself thinking,
Speaker 1: is this a metaphor for homosexuality? Is this a metaphor
Speaker 1: for drug abuse? Is this a metaphor for addiction? Is
Speaker 1: this a metaphor for adolescents? And guess what, stupid whore,
Speaker 1: that's me talking to myself. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: a metaphor because we're not in the fucking ninth grade.
Speaker 1: So maybe try enjoying art for what it is, letting
Speaker 1: it sink into your little brain for multiple days, weeks,
Speaker 1: and even months, and actually appreciating it rather than trying
Speaker 1: to write a book report. And with that, I say,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year and let's get it, kings and queens.
Speaker 1: Um that's a beautiful one. It's uplifting. You know. Someone
Speaker 1: told me that it's like a metaphor for um, like
Speaker 1: not eating meat. Oh wow, yeah, someone would say that. Um.
Speaker 1: I also saw that movie A weird movie. Alert. Wait,
Speaker 1: I actually loved it, did you? I didn't love it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't dislike it. I was just like weird,
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of like I felt nothing emotionally,
Speaker 1: but like enjoyed the swing. Oh totally. I do agree
Speaker 1: that it was weird, like where you were kind of like, wait,
Speaker 1: like this is what Timothy and Luca Gua are doing,
Speaker 1: like kind of random, kind of random vie. It really
Speaker 1: is the definition of random. Alert that movie, and Timothy
Speaker 1: was really not working for me actually in that movie. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I think I have heard people say that. I do
Speaker 1: think the girl Taylor Wressell, I loved her, she was
Speaker 1: so good. But I don't know. I really did appreciate
Speaker 1: at the Swings, right, the last thing I'll say, and
Speaker 1: then I promised I'll shut up when Chloe seven shows
Speaker 1: up in that movie. I mean, I almost fucking like
Speaker 1: I wanted to pull a lever so I would be
Speaker 1: like launched into the ceiling out of excitement, not a
Speaker 1: negative thing I was. That was actually where it turned
Speaker 1: to me where the random sauce got a little too
Speaker 1: strong interesting, and I said, I can't take anything seriously anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, we really had opposite reactions. I was eating
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah I would. I feel like I would
Speaker 1: like that, but I haven't watched the movie yet. You
Speaker 1: should watch it, I think I will. Richard, would you
Speaker 1: like to give a shout out? Of course? Okay, whenever
Speaker 1: you're really ready. What's happening everybody? How's everyone doing? Reporting
Speaker 1: live from January third, Happy years everyone. I hope that
Speaker 1: you start the new year out feeling good, because I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. I feel really good because of my
Speaker 1: shout out, and that is to my dear friend Charlie
Speaker 1: bar Day really is my good friend who um I
Speaker 1: just have to shout out legally to say that he
Speaker 1: is the inventor of my most recent project, Kelly. The
Speaker 1: way that we have fun with words is so delicious,
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that he brought that to me,
Speaker 1: that he came up to me and said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to start saying this, which I took as I will too,
Speaker 1: and and um and I um, I'm also just uh
Speaker 1: so grateful to be working on such fruitful, meaningful projects together.
Speaker 1: Day shout out, Shout out to Charlie, Shout out to Charlie.
Speaker 1: Has he been shout out more than multiple times? You know,
Speaker 1: I think we did shout him out before. I do
Speaker 1: think we've shouted him out with for he's really part
Speaker 1: of the lore of the podcast. Yeah, whether it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of tough because it's um, you know, he didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree to being part of the lore, but he
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah. Well, I mean he has done the
Speaker 1: podcast twice and been in a live show, so it's
Speaker 1: not exactly like he's said. No, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: He loves it. He loves that. He loves it. Well, Richard,
Speaker 1: it's been incredible to have you on. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This has been so fun, This has been a dream,
Speaker 1: and this is going to be one of the greatest
Speaker 1: episodes ever. I really like the fact that Kelly, but
Speaker 1: also honestly, Maureen, Maureen, we all started, Barry Maureen, we
Speaker 1: did start, and then we were like we were like,
Speaker 1: we were like, all right, Falca you can go first. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Falco was you know, kind of interspersed throughout. We're warm
Speaker 1: we're doing work. We're like getting through it. Now. We're
Speaker 1: going to end with Polly Pelly um all right, all right,
Speaker 1: and that's I'm Pelly. Happy New Year, all Happy New Year.
Speaker 1: Bye bye