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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. First of all, Happy New Year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, Yes, it's the new year. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this and I and I know, I

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Speaker 1: know is off to a rockets start. I know that

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Speaker 1: everyone listening to this is wealthier, smarter, healthier, more sexually

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Speaker 1: aroused than they were any other previous year of their life.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're or five, um. But I

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Speaker 1: will say that currently we are recording in the previous

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Speaker 1: new year, so you don't So if you don't see

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Speaker 1: that spark, if you don't hear that spark in our voices,

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Speaker 1: it's still two in our world, still here. But but

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Speaker 1: I'll say to you. To you, I say, happy New Year,

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Speaker 1: and congratulations on being in the first good year, because

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Speaker 1: this is the year that everything gets turned around. Finally,

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Speaker 1: I am it's so clear to me. It's so clear

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Speaker 1: to me that is going to be that year. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's symmetrical. First of all, they're equal, and then

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Speaker 1: it's of course the twelve year and the calendar of

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Speaker 1: the ancients, and so those two things alone, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's numerology. I mean, when I woke up today

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Speaker 1: because you know, you never know January three, if it's

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Speaker 1: this was actually uh. Anthony Fauci said this. He said,

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Speaker 1: if it's cold on January three, it's gonna be If

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Speaker 1: it's cold on January three, then this year is going

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Speaker 1: to be a sleigh and a half Mauma. And he

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Speaker 1: said that in an op ed for The New York Times.

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Speaker 1: You know, we started saying malma, trying to overpronounce malma,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Lee. It's like Jamie Lee curtisying trauma in that video.

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Speaker 1: That's how we are with Mauma. Yes, Mama, yes, Mauma.

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Speaker 1: Um I okay. So predictions for the new year. I

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Speaker 1: gonna all over again. No one has any problems everyone's

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Speaker 1: like bank accounts are chock full. Um, there's no such

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Speaker 1: And um, yeah, it's everyone's going to have sort of

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Speaker 1: a subtropical year. Um, but without the precipitation. Right, it's subtropical.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like because of global warming. It's because

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Speaker 1: the vibes are good. Yeah. Um. If we can bring

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Speaker 1: it back to the present day, the year in which

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Speaker 1: we are currently recording, I think it's important to address

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Speaker 1: that we're both cranky. Yes, we're both cranky. Um, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, though earlier today I was thinking back

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Speaker 1: you have that more with New Year's or with your birthday? Oh? God,

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Speaker 1: my birthday and the presence under every year. That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: came up with Christmas carols for your birthday that have

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Speaker 1: for me every time it's my birthday. Well, happy New Year, Sam,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, George. It's gonna be I really do

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Speaker 1: This it really is like you actually can access the

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Speaker 1: you know what, I always say, it's January three somewhere,

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Speaker 1: after doing a bit about it being January three, read

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Speaker 1: about it in books, and so, without further ado, it

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Speaker 1: is my pleasure, honor, and delight to welcome to the

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Speaker 1: stage Richard Perez. Hi, Hi, January three. So how's your

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Speaker 1: it is? Literally it's oh my god, Oh my god, Hi,

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Speaker 1: You still have glitter on you from the parson. Oh

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Speaker 1: It was fun. Richard. I'm going to ask you something

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Speaker 1: I have a question, Richard. Would you define your friend

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Speaker 1: Is he going to find ways to pursue legal action? Now?

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Speaker 1: If you debut Pelly without him? My instinct says no, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: upset if I said Pelly on the If he is upset,

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Speaker 1: his side of the story. Pelly, So, Richard, what is Pelly?

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Speaker 1: Pelly is essentially um Literally, Charlie texted me out of

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Speaker 1: a I want to do it. You were like Pelly.

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Speaker 1: And then so it really is that simple. It's just

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Speaker 1: however you say period, just say Pelly. Just say Pelly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: getting a cut of the proceedure Charlie. Yeah. People go

420
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: to go to his show like Exploration Live and Pelly

421
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: T shirts and Pelly T shirts and they're like, do

422
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: you know Richard Perez he admitted, and he's like, yeah,

423
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: I used to know her. I just have to keep

424
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: saying like he came up with it. Yeah, Well, we're

425
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: going to edit out. It's going to sound it's gonna

426
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: sound like you are taking credit for and then you're

427
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: gonna say like, they gave me the villain edit. They

428
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: gave me the villain edit, and they be like, she's crazy,

429
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's unstable. It's like I came up

430
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: with Pelly. Okay, Richard, we absolutely have to get in

431
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: our first segment my pants Live on Air. Okay, and

432
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: no one wants to see that again. Oh brother, But

433
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: your first segment is called straight Shooters, and then we

434
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: ask you a series of rapid fire questions to gauge

435
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: your familiarity with complicity and straight culture. Basically, it's this

436
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: thing or this other thing, and you just have to

437
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: pick one, and the only rule is no follow up

438
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: questions or will scream at you as loud as we can. Okay,

439
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: should we start? Okay? Yeah? Okay? Great Richard. Corporal punishment

440
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: or corporate self assessment, corporate brtal punishment Richard, an open

441
00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: concept kitchen or an open casket funeral, open casket funeral. Okay, Richard,

442
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: rock paper scissors or lock stock and two smoking barrels

443
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: of rock paper scissor keeping a journal or sleeping with

444
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: the colonel. Sleeping with the colonel um your reputation era

445
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: or the nation's reconstruction era, uh my reputation era? Okay,

446
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: Richard zach Braff or literally any guy from the street,

447
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: Any guy from the street, Richard, a snow day, hey Day,

448
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: or a gay day at disney World, in which all

449
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: are welcome, no matter who you love. The last one Richard,

450
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: the seven year itch or a seventh tier bitch, seven

451
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: year rich Wow, really good job. You know. There was

452
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: such a calmness to you and almost a coldness when

453
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,239
Speaker 1: I was like, oh he hates that's how that's the vibe. Uh.

454
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, I just get nervously Yeah, And I feel

455
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: like in these situations like I'm just like, so, yeah,

456
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I just I guess I do come off a little

457
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: cold sometimes and I really don't mean to. I think

458
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like trying to like answer as quick and

459
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: clear as I can, of course, but sometimes I get

460
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: that way in general, like in in I don't know

461
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: what I'm like talking two people. Richard stopped crying. Richard

462
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: act got about cold, Like, what the fuck? We asked

463
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: you to be on the podcast for a reason. We

464
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: both we know who you are, and bitch, Kelly Richard,

465
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: we both stold Charlie's I d I ruined everything. No, Richard,

466
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: we both like we both watched the audition tape for

467
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: this podcast and it was so fucking funny, Like we

468
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: saw that and we said, this girl is a star

469
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: and needs to be on our podcast, and so like,

470
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 1: Charlie can't take that away from you, like no one

471
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: in America can take that away from you. Pelly do

472
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: you mean that? I mean that, Richard, look at me, Richard?

473
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: What Kelly what Richard? But Richard, but don't you take

474
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: that tone with us? What word? We're going to get back.

475
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: We're going to get him, and we're gonna and and

476
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: and you are going to crush this. You're going to

477
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: not get out of the car. Yelly together. So are

478
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: you ready to restart? Can we say together? The three

479
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: of us? One? That was cute? Okay? Podcast restarts now.

480
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: So it's January three and Richard Perez is in the

481
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: studio and happy as a clam. Richard, you just got

482
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: back from your big tour promoting Pelly. Yeah, how did

483
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: it go? He was a dream come true. I mean,

484
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: working with Charlie bar Day, It's just a complete dream fantasy.

485
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Just everyone that got to meet on tour. Um was

486
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: just so friendly, so exciting, and the crowd was just

487
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: we really really appreciate all the support. Yeah. Did anything

488
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: surprise you? Um? I've um anything that surprised me? I

489
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: would say, were any parts of the country like not? Well,

490
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean you did get into some hot water when

491
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: you had your stop over in Moscow? Do you want

492
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: to address That's right? Yeah? Um, I think I can't

493
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: really talk about that yet. Um, but I do want

494
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: to say that all parties involved are just really really

495
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: excited about this collaboration. Me Charlie Moscow, Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

496
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: that's an amazing um squad squad goals. I would say

497
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: l A was so fun. Oh well, la is such

498
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: an amazing city. I mean, the only reason to go

499
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: to Moscow was the test out material, So you can

500
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: take it. I went to I did it at Largo,

501
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: and I just got on stage. I said, probby and

502
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: then we all went home. Yeah, you had an hour

503
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: long set and you said it is okay if I

504
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: just do one second. And then they were like sure, yeah,

505
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean you're Richard King Perez, so Richard. Yeah, we

506
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: need to get into the topic for the day. Um,

507
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: you guys, it's not happening naturally for me. Well you're

508
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: forcing it. You have to wait for a time. I'm

509
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: really forcing to get And it really is so annoying

510
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: because I was actually doing Do you ever say period

511
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: in your real life? I do, But I was doing

512
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: it so well at the party, and I actually it

513
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: felt so so good. Middle school bullying. Yeah, and now

514
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: it's but but you know what it's fine, it's fine,

515
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to the topic. We're gonna and

516
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I have my whole life ahead of me to do.

517
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: You do you do? And also, this is what this

518
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: is what I'm predicting. I bet you when January three,

519
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be natural. You're so right, You're gonna

520
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: listen to this episode and be like, I remember what

521
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: that young version of me exactly. It's like I was

522
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: still figuring figuring it out. The things I was worried about,

523
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about them now anymore. And that's actually

524
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: part of Okay, so this is the last thing I'll

525
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: say about Kelly. That's part of the appeal to where

526
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: there are three stages of Pelly. First, you feel like

527
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: an outsider because you don't know what it is. Then

528
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: you learn it and you're like, oh, it's so easy.

529
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm part of the club. And then you try

530
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: to do it and it's actually a little harder than

531
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: you think. Right, it's a little embarrassing at first, or

532
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of like exactly right, so it's too simple

533
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: that it's like I'm like, what is what's the I

534
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: must be doing something wrong exactly exactly and so then

535
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: finally fourth step is you do start doing it right

536
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: and it comes out and then it just happens and

537
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, and it comes naturally to it's I

538
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: think it's really exciting. Sir Richard. We uh You and

539
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: I talked about the topic before the episode started that

540
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: Sam wasn't on the zoom at the time, so this

541
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: is something I needed flushing out. So well, you now

542
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: get to tell Sam for the first time. When we

543
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: get to see his reaction, I mean, if them in

544
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: to post it to YouTube, it's like Grandma's react, but

545
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: it's like Stam reacting to the topic. Yeah, it's it's

546
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Pelly all over again. To be honest, outside it's straight. Yeah, okay,

547
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: my take it away. My topic stems from my experiences.

548
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: I got a b f A, I went to art school,

549
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: and I studied photography, so I think my topic is

550
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: taking pictures. Wow, that is first of all the backstory

551
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: surprises me. I mean, Richard, I obviously think you're capable

552
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: of literally anything you put your mind too. I think

553
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: the inventor of Pelly Um, the rightful air of the

554
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: Petty Fortune, can do anything he wants. However, I just

555
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: I am when used to be fair. I was like

556
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: in performance, in performance exactly exactly. I feel the same

557
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: to me. You read as classically trained, and really, I

558
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: would say, actually to a fall, yeah, it's it's a

559
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: little uptight sometimes, you know. Sometimes we're in conversation, you

560
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: will immediately embody a character yeah, and I'm like, well,

561
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: calm down. I was just we're just ordering Latte's yeah,

562
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm a widow, m yeah, yeah, you're right.

563
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: And for me, it's like about like the way you

564
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: project your voice. It's like, okay, like we don't need

565
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: to like like you're not on stage right now, Like

566
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: you don't need to be like projecting to the back

567
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: of the room. You know what I mean. You're someone

568
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: who has done vocal warmups before I started this zoom.

569
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: But but what's interesting to me about that compared to photography, Photography,

570
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: by definition, is turning the camera the other way, turning

571
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: the camera the other way, not towards your way usually. Yeah,

572
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, unless you're taking a selfie, which

573
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: I guess counts as a photo a selfie self portraits. Yeah,

574
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: that's but traditionally photography is an art form. They're taking photos,

575
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: You're taking photos of other things, You're documenting other things. Yeah,

576
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's documenting that I feel. I mean, we could

577
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: certainly go in that direction, but I want you to

578
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: be not I want you to like embrace photography as

579
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: a topic. I think it's such a beautiful topic. I

580
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: feel like you're not your second guessing yourself. I am second.

581
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I feel really insecure right now. Okay, Richard, not means

582
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: a cure. I have to come up with like a

583
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: different phrase with that intonation. Everyone, Well, why what what

584
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: reads straight about photography to you? I just feel like

585
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: what what reads straight about it? Is? Maybe okay personally

586
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm totally projecting, but I'm like I feel when I

587
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: was like not out, I feel like I used it

588
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: as like a vehicle to kind of like have a

589
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: reason to be like in a space a little bit.

590
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: That's d of dramatic, but like but like you know,

591
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: like I kind of just like I feel like it

592
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: was this way that I couldn't really face my own

593
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: interiority so much. But I mean I was in a

594
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: way because I'm like taking pictures. There's a reason why

595
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm reacting to something I see and then like at

596
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, creating it together, like put it online, like

597
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: there's there's something I was trying to say, which is

598
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: like I'm gay. I think ultimately like that's all way,

599
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: what my whole b f a that and so I'm

600
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: gay and I want to perform. It was just like

601
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: it was photos of Giant. Yeah. Yeah, it was just

602
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: Cox on stage with a little mike, with little mic

603
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: and like red curtain, yeah, yours dressed as like Starlett's

604
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: cos dressed as different performers and Marilyn Monroe Cock, I

605
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: want to be loved to buy you, I'd purchase guess

606
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: what I would purchase. And and by the way, that

607
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: would literally at this moment in time do well, that

608
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: would definitely, I mean I could I mean I don't know,

609
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you could just do it. I could just do it.

610
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: It could be merch Yeah, Sam and I will model.

611
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Would you want to do a collapse stradio lab and me? Yeah, yeah,

612
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Well we could do our our It could be our

613
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: heart dicks dressed as ourselves. So Sam's would have a

614
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: mustache and I would have a beer and a sort

615
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: of buzzed head glasses and we would have little podcast

616
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: my and it could be you know, we could be.

617
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like you could sort of

618
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: set up a photo studio and it could be like

619
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: the No Hate photos where they hate face, but it's

620
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: each person like taking photos of their dicks as different starlets. Genius.

621
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: That actually is genius. Unfortunately. Yeah, like I feel like

622
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: you would of your thesis would have been a slagh

623
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: if we went to school together, right or right? It

624
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had the tension of the closet right. So, Richard,

625
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: do you believe that all photographers are straight or all

626
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: are gay but can't admit it? I think maybe more

627
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: so the latter than the first. I would I would

628
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: lean more towards that a little bit. But I think

629
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Speaker 1: just in general, like I don't know, like there's something

630
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: about like wanting to take a picture of like something

631
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: like a building or like anything, I guess whatever, like

632
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: your surroundings, that just feels not always just in general,

633
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: can feel kind of um, like you're pulling away a

634
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: little from yourself or like you're saying there's there's a repressions,

635
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: repression of an emotional thing, and I think that's very straight. Yeah,

636
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: totally doesn't make sense. I don't know, complete sense. No,

637
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: it's not about it at all. It's not about it

638
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: at all. I think the oppression thing makes sense. I

639
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: think also at its core and I understand that, you know,

640
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: it is very easy to argue against this, but at

641
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: its core it's very literal art form to where it's like, well,

642
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: it's straighter than painting, right, right, you're just like documenting

643
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: something or it's like it can also be like yes,

644
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: photography can be beautiful and it can be artistic, but

645
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: it can also be so just like what it is.

646
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: It's like getting or your book photos taken, getting passport photos,

647
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: a wedding photographer, Like is there anything straighter than someone

648
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: whose job is a wedding photographer? Just like taking the

649
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: same photos over and over again, you know, uh, just

650
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: reading a newspaper and you have like don't think of

651
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: like a really like artsy magazine cover shoot or something,

652
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: but just like they have to have a photo to

653
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: show you what the article is about. And like I

654
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: just I'm thinking about like because I graduated with a

655
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of straight guys like an art school, studying photography,

656
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: and like I feel like there's some of them that

657
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: I remember, or maybe like the Great Younger where it's

658
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: just like they photographed like car parts and like it's

659
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: it's all like, oh, like I caught this in this

660
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: design and I don't know, like like it's it's like

661
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: they're making it about something else. Do you think finding

662
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: beauty in the existing world is gay or straight? I

663
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: think finding beauty in the existing world is I don't know,

664
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: you should ask that in the next Dan, what's that second?

665
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I should just ask that question. What do

666
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: you think? I think that's a genius question. I think

667
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: beauty in the existing things is straight because it's an

668
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: embrace of sort of status quo, and it's saying like

669
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 1: we don't need to change any thing, like let's just

670
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: it's like actually, let's like let's keep things how they are.

671
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: Actually exactly, the traditional family is like really good, like

672
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like and you would think it's the opposite, But like

673
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: that guy, the guy in American Beauty that is like

674
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: brought to tears by the plastic bag, could not be straighter,

675
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: right exactly. I mean, why are you crying, like truly

676
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: crying an orgasm because of a plastic bag? It's literally yeah,

677
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like if you like that, you stick

678
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: right and I'm clean up your neighborhood, right, pick up,

679
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: dream of a better future? Pick that up? About take

680
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: a photo of it? And you do? You pick it up?

681
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm in the background, like walking up to him. What

682
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the funk? Pick that up? I mean, yeah, finding okay?

683
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: Whereas I'm trying to think, like I have to be

684
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: completely honest. I understand that photos can be some thos

685
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: are better than others. I do know this to be true,

686
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: and some photos are so gay well obvious, like photos

687
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: of dicks. I mean, gay photography is it's very own genre. Yes, yes,

688
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: and it's actually straighter than straight photos because talk about literal.

689
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: It's like, at least straight photographers have the courtesy to

690
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: take a photo of plastic bag. Gay photographers are literally

691
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: only taking photos of dicks right or like right, like

692
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: ripped guys like shirtless, which you know we over here

693
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: it's trade all have incorporated really celebrate, are you know?

694
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: I think if there were no tasteful photos of guys

695
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: in various stages of nudity, what would we have? I

696
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: agree with that? Yeah, mhm, I mean Rembrandt right, I

697
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think so, honey. So to me,

698
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: it's like the two kinds of photography, are finding beauty

699
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: in the existing world or making something beautiful to photograph it? Yes, yes,

700
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: And so the question is are both of those straight?

701
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: Is any are like anie Lebowitz's photos straight? I would

702
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: argue yes, see, yeah, I think they're straight. Why would

703
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: you argue yes? Because it's so maybe what I'm equating

704
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: in my mind with straight and in terms of photography

705
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: is like, um, it's it's just serving its purpose. Like

706
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: it's so it's so just like literal and like direct

707
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: and and uh like mechanical like or really technical or

708
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: like something like that. Like it's like more about that

709
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: than like than so much like the actual meaning of

710
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: the thing or whatever. I feel like what you're like,

711
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. With a photo person, there's a lot

712
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: of gear yes, exactly, when you have to be like

713
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: a gearhead and be like, Okay, well I need this

714
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: kind of light, I need this kind of lighting with

715
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: a and I'm just yeah, and like they're always like

716
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: replacing the battery on the flag. I'm taking a picture

717
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: of my legs and I'm putting it next to a

718
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: picture of my mom. Yeah. Sam, You're so wise to

719
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: bring it back to the materiality of the apparatus that

720
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: is being used, like, it's not like there's actually no

721
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: reason to take it so high concept. Like the reason

722
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: it's straight is because you're literally using a tool grow

723
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: yeah right, like pick up a paintbrush and the tool

724
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: is like expensive and like you can like all these

725
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: different accessories, but none of the accessories like are feminine

726
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: at all. It's like, oh yeah, this is like the

727
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: Xcel w G two and it's like, oh really, oh interesting, Yeah,

728
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: I was going to get that. How much was that like, yeah, yeah,

729
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: you might as well be into cars exactly literally, yeah, absolutely,

730
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: So I guess the question becomes is the fact that

731
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: the smartphone democratized photography gay or straight? Well, I think

732
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: it's pretty gay. And I was even gonna say, you know,

733
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: we brought up selfies earlier, but I do think the

734
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: selfie as photography is inherently a queer form. Yes, definitely, yes,

735
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: but that's because it's there's performance in it as well

736
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: as and also there's no technical element, like you're just

737
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: like this is what the Lord's completely I feel like

738
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: a selfie is totally just like inspired for the most

739
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: very generally speaking, it's just like I'm just gonna going

740
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: to capture this like I'm like feeling moself. It's like

741
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: an emotional response to like how you how you look,

742
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: how you're feeling, who you're with or whatever, whatever the

743
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: reason that it's making you take a selfie and like

744
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: it's in the emotion tied to it. Richard. This brings

745
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: up a really interesting point. And I think you're kind

746
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: of the intersection of both of these things where you

747
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: literally have a b a fan photography and you know,

748
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: I've only even following you on social media for a

749
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: few months now, but you um post a lot of selfies.

750
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say so as someone with

751
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: a degree in both um drag. That's not a drag.

752
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: Damn you do. You're always doing the little middle finger thing, Richard.

753
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: I think your selfies are really beaudi they are, but

754
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: you agree there's a lot of them for listeners that

755
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Me, I like do duck face with

756
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: like my middle finger in a b oh yeah at

757
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: my job. Yeah, you love doing duck face middle finger

758
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: in the base. Yeah. Oh my god, you're doing it now, Kelly. Okay, sorry, Sam,

759
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: you're getting at something so important. I want you out.

760
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say like where do you like do

761
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: you feel that like that has been your journey? Like,

762
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: is that you accepting your queerness? Oh? Right to go

763
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: from photographing in a professional context to simply taking selfies

764
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: in a basement on your iPhone with is that? Like?

765
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: Is that what coming out is? Yeah? Coming to terms

766
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: with one's queerness For me, yeah, yeah, And that's why

767
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: I stand out in the photo industry. I don't see

768
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Ryan McGinley walking around being like palty. No, absolutely he might,

769
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: I hope, so I do. I do agree that iPhone

770
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: like when something is shot on an iPhone that is

771
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: gay because literally a monkey could do it. That's yeah, yeah,

772
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: there's it's not yeah, it's not so technical. It's into it.

773
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: If it's intuitive, it's how you were literally born knowing

774
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: how to take a picture. We're born this way, knowing

775
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: how it's born exactly. How's that for logic? That's probably perfect, Richard,

776
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: be honest. Did it hurt your feelings when I said

777
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: that you take a lot of selfies? No? Actually it

778
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: actually really didn't. If anything, it made me think about it.

779
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: I go do I I guess I do it. That's

780
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: a really big part of my think. Noutput yeah, my creative,

781
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: it's my art. But like selfies, it's not like selfie

782
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: is like it's just me being like I look good.

783
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: It's like I actually don't look good in all of them,

784
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm kind of I'm being really like silly

785
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: and I'm Cindy Sherman, right right. Yeah. Do you think

786
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: anybody toasts selfies to be like I look good here anymore?

787
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: M m yeah, I think that's straight, right, straight? Yeah? Wow?

788
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: Or it's more just like basic yeah yeah yeah, most

789
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: gay people are straight and that's that's true. Yeah, Okay,

790
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: So well, I was what I was thinking. I haven't

791
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: seen many I feel like I used to see way

792
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: more Twitter gays posting selfies that were just sort of

793
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: like Tuesday alert or like I felt felt weird today,

794
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: like I guess I'm in the spirit of the holidays,

795
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: and are these flattering selfies are not flattering flattering selfies,

796
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like they've kind of gone away, like

797
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: maybe it's a Twitter issue. But I feel like I

798
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: literally think it might be a Twitter issue because I've

799
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: noticed this too, and now like there was just a

800
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: time when everything that would be suggested to me. It

801
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: was when we recorded our episode with Sarah and we

802
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: were talking about captions that are like it's giving Turkey Girl,

803
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: because every second tweet with someone being like leg day

804
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: more like day and it's like them at the gym. Yeah,

805
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: that has completely not completely, but disappeared in a way

806
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: that I'm sorry. But my of course favorite genre is

807
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: someone wearing the most normal outfit you've ever seen and

808
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: then posting I'm serving dad on a c double show. Yeah. Yeah,

809
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: well the one they always do also is like the

810
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: Pixar Dad like they're like and it's like, yeah, he's

811
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: a guy with a mustache, like you have a mustache,

812
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: Like it's fine. I want to address one more thing. Okay,

813
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: well I'm trying to think of other sort of cliche

814
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: types of photos. Like another one is polaroids. Yes, polaroids are.

815
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's like what we were saying like earlier

816
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 1: about like what were we talking about before we recorded.

817
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: I think we were talking about how something Oh, like

818
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: the screenshot that you sent Sam that's very like m

819
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: I A like the cover art of that album with

820
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: like a bunch of Yeah, Sam, screen was kind of

821
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: covered in different QuickTime windows and he was like, it

822
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: looks like the m I A cover that is sort

823
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: of digital brutalist. And then I was like, my my

824
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: intuition was like, that's so two thirteen, that's so like Tumbler,

825
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: it's so b f A, so s v A, that's

826
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: so pratt whatever, and like but then you brought up

827
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: a point You're like, that's so funny that like we

828
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: referenced it there when it is referencing like nineties clip

829
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: are or like whatever. I feel like Polaroids is kind

830
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: of in a similar model. It's just like cyclical, but

831
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 1: then I'm sure it changes each time it comes back.

832
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: It serves like a or I don't know, appeals to

833
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: maybe like in a different way. Yeah, like a polaroid

834
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: today is doing like two hipster culture right exactly. It's

835
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: harkening back to that and two thousand and ten. When

836
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: it was actually that, it was like whoa like and

837
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: it was like hard to find film and it was like,

838
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like this really remarkable. It felt very

839
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: like I don't even know what the word is. It

840
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: is crazy to live through what I'm saying. I feel

841
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: like we are the age where we're living through the

842
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: second wave of nostalgia cycles in a way that is

843
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: actually terrifying. Yeah, it kind of bums me out. Actually

844
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: I missed feeling just authentically good about stuff. Yeah, I

845
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: mean like this is actually really cool. Yeah, because I

846
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: hate I never want to be the person that's like like,

847
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, they don't even know, like that's actually

848
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: from this album and it's actually a cover. Like I

849
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: hate when people, oh, they don't even know that. That

850
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: shows just like a pastiche of eighties sitcoms, like like Shot.

851
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: But then someone's going to make a show that's about

852
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: two gay guys making a podcast and one of them

853
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: has a mustache, and and we're gonna have to be like, hey,

854
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: you don't even know that was about Oh it's so cruel,

855
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: what a cruel world? Wait, okay, I also want to

856
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 1: say about photography. One time I met this like really

857
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: really christian guy, um who was a photographer, and he

858
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: would like only take pictures of like water and like

859
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: like flowers and ducks and stuff, and um that felt

860
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: extremely closeted guy to me. Totally. I could see that. Yeah, yeah,

861
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: what's the deal with nature photography? I mean nature photography,

862
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, probably one of the first subjects

863
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: captured when we figured out the camera OBSCUREA we were

864
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, we're gonna this big. I guess

865
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: we'll take a photo of amount of we will capture

866
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: something that will be still and it's our very earth.

867
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: So there's that origin to landscapes and or nature or anything.

868
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I don't know, but then there

869
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: are ways to I don't know. It's one of those

870
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: things that's like like that guy you're describing, that guy

871
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: taking pictures of like ducks or whatever, like like I

872
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: could totally see that being like this introspective um like

873
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: expression or like you you're wanting to express something but

874
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: you just can't. I mean, if picture says more than

875
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: a thousand words, okay, and I'm so happy you brought

876
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: that up. Well, okay, first of all, I think we

877
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: can all agree that nature photography either means you have

878
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: reached a state of nirvana where you're one with God

879
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: or your closeted Yes, yes, yes, um so that's fine,

880
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: except like photographing like lions or something like that's so straight,

881
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: Well that that's because they're masculine. Yeah, yeah, Like the

882
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: National Geographic Wildlife Photography Contest is one of the straightest

883
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: things I ever heard of in my life, and then

884
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: always like what wins is like something coming out of

885
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: the water holding a fish, but you know, of course congrats,

886
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: of course. I mean catching a fish on camera is

887
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: really hard. They're so fast, by the way, I'm impressed.

888
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm impressed with people that play football too, but I

889
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: don't think it's ethical. I'm actually not then impressed. Yeah,

890
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm not either. I could do it. I mean literally

891
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: put me in. That's actually like of all the sports,

892
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: that's like the one where I'm like, what are you

893
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: even doing? What are you even doing? I know, literally

894
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: all you have to do is like knock your head

895
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 1: against another person's head. Yeah, like I guess the person

896
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: that throws the ball. There's a lot of like pressure

897
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: because you don't have much time, but it's like who cares? Yeah,

898
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree football socks.

899
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: Final thoughts. I want to get everyone's final thoughts on

900
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: the following question. Is a picture worth a thousand words?

901
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Thank you for asking about I think, um, honestly, a

902
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: lot of times, No, I agree. I think that it's

903
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: like so messed up to even say that. Sometimes I'm

904
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: like that's like being like because like I feel like,

905
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: actually it's like kind of wasteful because you can with

906
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 1: about ten words you can create like a beautiful image

907
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: in someone's mind. I completely agree. Yeah, it's actually like

908
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: so offensive and you and we have to have more

909
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: respect for the written word. The idea that you took

910
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: a photo what on your iPhone and you think that's

911
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: worth a thousand thousand words, it's like duck and sucking

912
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: out of your mind. Unbelievable. It's fucking crazy. I mean,

913
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: it's like picture prompts and no one wants to do those. Wait,

914
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: what are picture prompts you have in like standardized tests

915
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: or something like. Um, there's like they show you a

916
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: picture and you just have to come up with a

917
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: store like five paragraphs literally a thousand words. But guess

918
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: what though, those are a thousand words that like, but

919
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: you're it's all you came up. Yeah yeah, you can

920
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: be inspired, right right, But it's like it's not actually

921
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: worth a thousand words. It's not actually thousand words. You're

922
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: forced exactly, and you are elevating the photo by it

923
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: by accompanying it with your thousands. I think a photo

924
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: is worth upwards of twenty words. Do you know what?

925
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: Here's what I think is that. Ultimately it depends and

926
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: if you show me a photo that's literally just like

927
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: to use this sort of cliche example, someone's brunch, someone's

928
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: instagramming their brunch. Guess what that's worth exactly one word,

929
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: and that word is brunch. Yeah, maybe two words brunch, binch.

930
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: That was delicious. Um. Great, photos are not worth a

931
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: thousand words, um, but you know what some words are

932
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: worth a thousand words? Great? Like yeah, exactly, like or

933
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: like the word um, effervescent or juxtapis Oh my god,

934
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh you know what word is worth like two thousand

935
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: words right now? Prescriptive I love people and not a

936
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: medical Oh my god, of course, being like, oh you're

937
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: being like, I don't want to be prescriptive, but tell

938
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: me whatever. I'm like, exactly, Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

939
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: And you know you know what word I hate? Prescriptive

940
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: to me? It opens up my world. I I so

941
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: want to know what is or is not prescriptive. No

942
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: word I hate right now that is being overused. The

943
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: word un serious. Oh yeah, have you seen that, Richard? No,

944
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: I think un serious might be like your Pelly Hope

945
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: not because it's a flop. No, I hate un serious.

946
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: It's such as those stupid very Twitter lazy. It's Twitter. Yeah,

947
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: and it's also pretending you're smart, like you're un serious

948
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: for using the word on serious. Dumbass. Yeah, just there's

949
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: words for that. We don't even be like like open addictionary.

950
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: You don't have to say unsous. Yes, silly, I don't believe.

951
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really use Twitter. So you think

952
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: you're better than that. That is for the best. But

953
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: this Charlie post selfies on Twitter sometimes. Yeah, well you

954
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: post photos of you constantly. Yeah, he's like this, he's

955
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: talking so much that they're all like some like he's

956
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: like this bitch isn't on Twitter. So I can finally

957
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: speak for you lads. Like you know, when you're friends

958
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: with someone who just steals your ship, it's really funked

959
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: up when friends don't try. I thought I knew you

960
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: some friend. Huh, thousands of If you see this bitch

961
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: on the street, cross run go as far away as

962
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: you can and don't let him hear you talk. Wow,

963
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm really actually like, I'm really glad we got to

964
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: pictures being worth less than a thousand words. That was

965
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: really satisfying. It's kind of like one of my most

966
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: profoundly held beliefs, like moving towards a visual culture was

967
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: a mistake. Totally. Yeah. Wow, we need to get back

968
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: to the written word. Everyone needs to be reading newspapers. Yes,

969
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: and we need to be journaling NonStop. Yes, wow, I

970
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: mean this is January three. This is January three. It's

971
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: January three. And by the way, this actually really ties

972
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: back into Pelly because you created a new word. You

973
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: and Charlie excuse me, created in your word. And actually,

974
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: rather than taking a selfie, why not try to create

975
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: a new word. Yes, that is the challenge. Create a

976
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: new word, a new word, and have fun and put

977
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: down your creating new word and fucking sell it and

978
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: get out there and sell it. Yeah, pitch it like

979
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: make it work, like like nobody handed Richard anything, and

980
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: yet he made Pelly happen exactly. He's just like photography.

981
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: The idea that the average person thinks of photo is

982
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: more important than Pelly is so infuriating to me. I'm pissed.

983
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually furious. Wow, So rarely can you be like

984
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: I invented a word? I know, I'm so jealous of

985
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: whoever invented that's such a like wow, I'm jealous of

986
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: even whoever invented like boo yah, yeah, my god, that

987
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: was amazing. Oh my god, Cowabunga amazing. Yeah, that's like

988
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: a movement, like those words are part of a movement.

989
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: Those words like divine generations, you know, and there's cyclical.

990
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: It'll probably come back. It will probably come back, and

991
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: it'll be nostalgic like oh my god, boy with a

992
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: polaroid picture. That's it. That's it. I'm fucking crazy. Word. Yes, yeah,

993
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I love that. I think it's so funny that it

994
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: actually like I keep trying to invent a word right

995
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: now as we're talking, and I'm like, no, we can.

996
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: I like struggle with it, like I'll be like Maureen

997
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, that's a thing. Your word

998
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: is Maureen? Okay, Sam, what would it? Let's say your

999
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: word is Maureen, the female name Maureen. What would that?

1000
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: What would that mean? And this in this sort of

1001
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: universe Mareen. I think it's like like it almost means

1002
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: like like you're like tired, like you're like like you're

1003
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: like exhaust. That's really good. Yeah, it's like after a

1004
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: long day of work moreen. Wow, that could really take off.

1005
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: That's really good. That's really take off. And you could

1006
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: spell it different than the name, if you could do

1007
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: m you r e N if you want, well, if

1008
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: I know anything about Maureen the people, they are a

1009
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: litigious group and they'll come from me if you exactly.

1010
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to be sued. Wow, I'm so excited

1011
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: to start using me. George. Do you want to try

1012
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: to come with the word really quick? Oh my god,

1013
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I mean, okay, let me try just

1014
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: let it flow. Falcao. Okay, what does it mean? What

1015
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: is a very pretty work? Thank you? It's very feminine.

1016
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: It's like, but well, no, it's feminine but strong. You

1017
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's a bit of like it's

1018
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: somewhere between excuse me and thank you. It's like okay, yes, wait, yeah,

1019
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know you're in someone's way, but

1020
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: you're not exactly apologizing because you've been taught not you know,

1021
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: you've Yeah, it's sort of a general purpose, polite thing

1022
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: to say when you are around strangers. Yes, it's something

1023
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: you can say when someone when the waiter gives you

1024
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: more wine. It's something you can say after after you're

1025
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: done purchasing a sweater at Zara, and like, if you

1026
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: bump into someone, you can be like felt. Also, even

1027
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: if you're like, if you're like wondering if someone's in line,

1028
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: you can open with Felka, like you like, are you inlying?

1029
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 1: It's sort of it's sort of in the same family

1030
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: as the German beat it, which is like sort of

1031
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 1: like a you know, wow, I love Fela. I'm sorry,

1032
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: but Helly, Maureene and Felca already are more impactful than

1033
01:06:53,640 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: any photograph ever. Exactly, yeah, exactly why I'm glad we

1034
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: got there. That really did a lot for me. I

1035
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: am truly on cloud nine. I feel relieved. Yeah, why

1036
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: do you feel relieved? Because I feel like my choice

1037
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: wasn't so bad? Oh my god, we're just such a

1038
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: good choice. And and the fact that it was so

1039
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: related to two words. Yeah wow. Well, should we do

1040
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: our final segment? Yeah? I think we have to. Rich.

1041
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout outs, and in it

1042
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: we give a shout out um to anything that we're

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Speaker 1: enjoying in sort of the classic street tradition. Imagine it's

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Speaker 1: two thousand one, you're at TRL and you're shouting out

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: to your squad back home, Um, just about anything that

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Speaker 1: you like. And I actually do have one, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I can go first, unless go for him. What's up

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Speaker 1: everybody across the globe. I want to give a huge

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: shout out to gay photographers. I support you. You are

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Speaker 1: the troops. I love you. Yes, we have slander you

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: on this podcast, but I love you, and I think

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01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: the work that you're doing is so important because you

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01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 1: understand that sometimes you just want to be a little

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: horny and not like look at porn, but you do

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: want to be like seeing something kind of hot and

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, you like put a little artistic spin on it,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's beautiful. Um. Shout out to my

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: friend Bryson. Hi, Bryson, I love you. You are a

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: gay photographer and you took sexy picks of me and

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01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: I will put them on the internet one day, but

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01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: today is not that. Dave and all gay photographers out there,

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01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm open to it and I want it all right,

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01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: give me one second, it's gonna come to me. Nothing

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Speaker 1: you're grateful for. You have nothing you're grateful for. You'd

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Speaker 1: be surprised. Oh okay, okay, all right, I'm ready go

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01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: for it. What's up everybody? Hope everyone is having such

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01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: a good New year, and I hope you guys are

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01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: all slaying the adult NG game in the in the

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: new month and the new year in the new week.

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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday from all of us here on the team.

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01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 1: And I just want to give a shout out to

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: kind of rejecting the impulse to find to read something

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Speaker 1: as a metaphor. I just watched the film Bones and All,

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: where Timothy shadow May plays Accountable, and I found myself thinking,

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Speaker 1: is this a metaphor for homosexuality? Is this a metaphor

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01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: for drug abuse? Is this a metaphor for addiction? Is

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: this a metaphor for adolescents? And guess what, stupid whore,

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01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: that's me talking to myself. It doesn't have to be

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: a metaphor because we're not in the fucking ninth grade.

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01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: So maybe try enjoying art for what it is, letting

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01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: it sink into your little brain for multiple days, weeks,

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: and even months, and actually appreciating it rather than trying

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01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 1: to write a book report. And with that, I say,

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: Happy New Year and let's get it, kings and queens.

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Speaker 1: Um that's a beautiful one. It's uplifting. You know. Someone

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01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: told me that it's like a metaphor for um, like

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Speaker 1: not eating meat. Oh wow, yeah, someone would say that. Um.

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Speaker 1: I also saw that movie A weird movie. Alert. Wait,

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Speaker 1: I actually loved it, did you? I didn't love it,

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: but I didn't dislike it. I was just like weird,

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01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,480
Speaker 1: Like I was kind of like I felt nothing emotionally,

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: but like enjoyed the swing. Oh totally. I do agree

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: that it was weird, like where you were kind of like, wait,

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: like this is what Timothy and Luca Gua are doing,

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: like kind of random, kind of random vie. It really

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: is the definition of random. Alert that movie, and Timothy

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01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: was really not working for me actually in that movie. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I think I have heard people say that. I do

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Speaker 1: think the girl Taylor Wressell, I loved her, she was

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Speaker 1: so good. But I don't know. I really did appreciate

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Speaker 1: at the Swings, right, the last thing I'll say, and

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Speaker 1: then I promised I'll shut up when Chloe seven shows

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: up in that movie. I mean, I almost fucking like

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to pull a lever so I would be

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Speaker 1: like launched into the ceiling out of excitement, not a

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Speaker 1: negative thing I was. That was actually where it turned

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Speaker 1: to me where the random sauce got a little too

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: strong interesting, and I said, I can't take anything seriously anymore.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, we really had opposite reactions. I was eating

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Speaker 1: it out. Yeah I would. I feel like I would

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Speaker 1: like that, but I haven't watched the movie yet. You

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Speaker 1: should watch it, I think I will. Richard, would you

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Speaker 1: like to give a shout out? Of course? Okay, whenever

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Speaker 1: you're really ready. What's happening everybody? How's everyone doing? Reporting

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Speaker 1: live from January third, Happy years everyone. I hope that

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Speaker 1: you start the new year out feeling good, because I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what. I feel really good because of my

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01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: shout out, and that is to my dear friend Charlie

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Speaker 1: bar Day really is my good friend who um I

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Speaker 1: just have to shout out legally to say that he

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: is the inventor of my most recent project, Kelly. The

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01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: way that we have fun with words is so delicious,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that he brought that to me,

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: that he came up to me and said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start saying this, which I took as I will too,

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Speaker 1: and and um and I um, I'm also just uh

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Speaker 1: so grateful to be working on such fruitful, meaningful projects together.

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Speaker 1: Day shout out, Shout out to Charlie, Shout out to Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Has he been shout out more than multiple times? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we did shout him out before. I do

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: think we've shouted him out with for he's really part

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Speaker 1: of the lore of the podcast. Yeah, whether it's it's

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: kind of tough because it's um, you know, he didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily agree to being part of the lore, but he

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Speaker 1: he is. Yeah. Well, I mean he has done the

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Speaker 1: podcast twice and been in a live show, so it's

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Speaker 1: not exactly like he's said. No, that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: He loves it. He loves that. He loves it. Well, Richard,

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Speaker 1: it's been incredible to have you on. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: This has been so fun, This has been a dream,

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01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: and this is going to be one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: episodes ever. I really like the fact that Kelly, but

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Speaker 1: also honestly, Maureen, Maureen, we all started, Barry Maureen, we

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: did start, and then we were like we were like,

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01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: we were like, all right, Falca you can go first. Yeah, yeah,

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01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: Falco was you know, kind of interspersed throughout. We're warm

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01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: we're doing work. We're like getting through it. Now. We're

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Speaker 1: going to end with Polly Pelly um all right, all right,

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01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 1: and that's I'm Pelly. Happy New Year, all Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye