1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: the podcast. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: after party. This is the show after the show, the 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: party after the party, the bridge to get you from 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: are talking about Mama Cass Elliott. We are previewing the 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: coming episode on Chris Cornell talking down in Dirty Rockstar Autobiographies, 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: and we get into your voicemails, text DMS emails and 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: as always. 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: A whole lot of rosie. All Right, disc goes, Let's 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: get into it. 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: In the Mama Cass Elliott episodes at the top of 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: your feed this week. There is one story in particular 19 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: that really influenced my thinking about this story about Cass, 20 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: about Sharon Tate, Charles Manson, etc. And it's the story 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: that actor Michael Caine tells about being at a party 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: at Cass's house where both Sharon Tate and Charles Manson 23 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: are present. I heard about the story in Tom O'Neill's 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: book Chaos. Tom cites it, and the reason this story 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: is so important is because it blows a major hole 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: in Vincent Buliosi's Helter Skelter theory. Now, I'm not going 27 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: to get into all of it here, because that's what 28 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the Mama cass Elliott episodes are for, and the Sharon 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: Tate once as well. 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: Those are the Hollywood Land feed by the. 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Way I bring it up to get to another point. 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: When I read this story in Tom O'Neill's Chaos, the 33 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: story of Sharon Tate and Charles Manson being at the 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: same party that is depicted by Michael Kain, I had 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: to see the original source material because the story was 36 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: so bizarre and just no one had ever mentioned anything 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: like this before. So I went looking for the book 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: that O'Neill cites. It's called What's It All About? By 39 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: Michael Kain, which is an autobiography and largely details the 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: actors early days in Hollywood kins. Michael Kain has multiple 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: memoirs and this is just one of them. This one 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: is very well written, published by a real publishing house, etc. 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: And Michael Kain is still, as you know, very much relevant. 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: So you can imagine my surprise when I learned that 45 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: this book is not only out of print, but it 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: is extremely hard to get your hands on, so difficult 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: that it started to seem to me that it was 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: almost like they didn't want you to read it. But 49 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: I got the book anyway. I paid a pretty penny 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: for it online. And there isn't much in the book 51 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: that is risque or revealing or over the top or 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: incriminating except for this story, the one about Charles Manson 53 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: and Sharon Tate being at the same party, and it's 54 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: the story is not even integral to the book. It's 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: a very small passage in one chapter. Beach Boy Dennis 56 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Wilson's book, The Real Beach Boy. Now I get why 57 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: they don't want you to read this book. It's chock 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: full of wild stories about Dennis and his time in 59 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 1: the so called Golden Penetrators with Terry Melcher and Greg Jacobson. 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: If you want to hear more on this story, you 61 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: can check out The Beach Boys's Grace Stand episodes. 62 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: But the point is these two books, each. 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Detailing portions of the real Charles Manson's story for whatever reason, 64 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: they can't be obtained and read easily. And one of 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: these is an autobiography, and the other it's not an autobiography. 66 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: It's a biography, but it's not a work of fiction. 67 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: Okay. 68 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Now, at the same time, right now, as I'm going 69 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: through all this in my head talking to you guys 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: about it, I'm reading another book by an author named Manson. No, 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: not Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson. I'm reading his or Brian 72 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Warner's autobiography. Brian Warner is, of course the real name 73 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: of Marilyn Manson, and the Marilyn Manson autobiography is called 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: The Long Hard Road out of Hell. I'm reading this 75 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: in preparation for a Marilyn Manson episode that's coming your 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: way in late May. Now, there's nothing in Michael Kaine's 77 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: autobiography or in the Dennis Wilson biography that, on face value, 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: even approaches the shocking amount of material in Marilyn Manson's book. 79 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: So my first question is why why are the Michael 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Kaine and Dennis Wilson books nearly impossible to get your 81 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: hands on? And I think I answered that question. I 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: think I answered it in the episodes on Cass Elliott. 83 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: But my second question is what are the most shocking 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: rock star autobiographies? Now I went looking for a list, 85 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: and I guess the real shock here is that there 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: isn't really a list. So I thought, who better to 87 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: make this list than us? Then you're truly here with 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: your help. I've read my fair share of these books, 89 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: so you know, you guys have heard me talk about 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: these artists, so we're all in this sort of unique 91 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: position to put this list together. But then I thought, well, 92 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: lists are kind of boring unless they're totally outrageous, like 93 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: the list of top grunge albums from a couple of 94 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: weeks back, or that list of artists nominated for the 95 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from last week. By 96 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the way, we should have a final list of inductees 97 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: by next week's after party. 98 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: We'll get into that. 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: So my point is I don't want to make this list, 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: but I do want to tell you that the Marilyn 101 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Manson autobiography is, without a doubt, the most damning book 102 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: by a rock star that I've ever read, More damning 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: than Motley Cruz The Dirt, more damning than Rick James's 104 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: book glow. I'm halfway through Manson's autobiography and so far 105 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: there isn't a shred of humility or even really humanity. 106 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: It is pretty fucking dark. It is funny, though, so 107 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: I guess there's some humanity in that somehow. Marilyn Manson 108 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: is funny. I think I knew that, but I didn't 109 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: really haven't really experienced it before. And Manson is a 110 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: really good writer, he truly is. But like I said, 111 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: Marilyn Manson dark. Now my final thinking on this subject, 112 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: what major rock stars have yet to write their autobiographies? Now? This, this, 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to me is an interesting list. 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: Madonna is at the top of this list. 115 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: And you'd think that Madge would have written her story 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: by now, but no, And I think it's because she's 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: working on her story for a film and she's been 118 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: doing this for the past few years. 119 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: But I can't really say. 120 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: All I can say is that I've read enough already 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: about Madonna. I've heard enough as well about Madonna secondhand, 122 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: some firsthand actually on what Madonna got up to in 123 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties and the nineties. And I'm just saying, 124 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: if Madonna took an honest stab at telling her story, 125 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: then I'm certain it would give Marilyn and Motley Crue 126 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: a run for their money. The nineties were fucked up, man, 127 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: dark dark rockstar shit went on in the nineties, and 128 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: Madonna was at the height of her power during that decade. 129 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: So there's Madonna. But who else is there? Okay, there's 130 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Mick Jagger. Yes there is, as of yet, no autobiography 131 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: by mister Jerry Hall. Mick just got engaged, by the way, 132 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: eighty two years old and his fiance is only something 133 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: like six years older than tattoo You. I'm not clever 134 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: enough to have come up with that on my own. 135 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: I stole that from a rock journalist, Stephen Hyden on Twitter. 136 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: That's not my joke. 137 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Mick Jagger not having an autobiography, though, That's that's not 138 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: a joke either. This is more of a crime. Okay, 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: his music lovers, as music historians, we deserve a Mick 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: Jagger autobiography. I find it curious that there's no Mick 141 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: Jagger autobiography. 142 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Why not? I'll tell you why not. 143 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: There's too many stories, and unlike Keith Richards, I'm betting 144 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: that Mick Jagger remembers most of what he's gone through 145 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: in his life, and he's likely horrified by the prospect 146 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: of having to piece it all into a narrative and 147 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: what would happen to him if he did. 148 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: In an attempt in. 149 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: The early eighties at an autobiography, but his publisher rejected it, 150 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: saying that it was too light on the sex and 151 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: the drugs. I don't think we're ever getting a Mick 152 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: Jagger autobiography, not in a post Me Too era. 153 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: Now. 154 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: All the other books I've mentioned here were released pre 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: Me Too, when Marilyn Manson and Motley Crue and Rick 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: James and the like get away with detailing their horrible 157 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: treatment of women firsthand. I still cannot believe that they 158 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: wrote these books. I couldn't believe it then, I can't 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: believe it now. Honestly, it's you know, it's in part 160 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: why I started disgracing. But Mick's Mick Jaggers. He's too smart. 161 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: I think he'd gained nothing by telling his story other 162 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: than in an ego boost, I suppose, But my guess 163 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: is Mick is taking his stories to the grave. Madonna, 164 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: on the other hand, an autobiography by Madonna would be 165 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: less shocking were to be released. 166 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: But I doubt we'd get the real shit. 167 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: My guess is she cherry picked certain stories for shock value, 168 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: but wouldn't give us any of what really went down, 169 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: which is her prerogative. I wouldn't mind a Kanye autobiography, 170 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: a real one, not some racist performance are piece like 171 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: his ex account currently serves as. I'd like an explanation 172 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: as to what the fuck's been going on in his 173 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: head the last five years, ten years, really, but I 174 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: fear that the mentally ill, at least relative to Kanye, 175 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't think he has the ability for that kind 176 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: of self reflection. But you know, I'd like Kanye's take 177 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: on the entertainment industry a really truly, like a real 178 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: take from his vantage point. 179 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: It's never gonna. 180 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: Happen, though, all right, maybe you'll get a Kanye episode 181 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: of Just Grace Saying though sometime in the near future, 182 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: to go with your Marilyn Manson episode. 183 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: That's definitely happening. 184 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: I do know coming up next in your feed, you're 185 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: getting a couple Eagles episodes. Talk about stories rock stars 186 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to hear the Henley story in the 187 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: book You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again. I 188 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: spent a pretty Penny Small Fortune getting my hands on 189 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: that book as well. And you will hear why when 190 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: you listen to these two episodes that are coming up. 191 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 2: So much debauchery. 192 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: Okay, following those Eagles rewind episodes that are hitting your 193 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: feed tomorrow. Our next full episode on Tuesday is on 194 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell of Soundgarden and Audio Slave, which brings us 195 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: to next week's question of the week. When you're listening 196 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: to the Chris Cornell episode, I want you to be 197 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: thinking about which musicians had a follow up band that 198 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: was better than their breakthrough band. 199 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: Okay, so what do you mean by that? 200 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: Well, come on, Chris Cornell broke through with Soundgarden, but 201 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: he followed it up with Audio Slave, and a lot 202 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: of people think, and I'm not one of them, that 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: Audio Slave is better than Soundgarden. So there's a bunch 204 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: of these examples out there. I'm not going to go 205 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: through them now. We're going to go through them next 206 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: week when you call me six one seven nine oh 207 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: six six six three eight and leave me a voicemail 208 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: and send me a text and let me know which 209 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: artists follow up bands were as impactful or better than 210 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: their breakthrough bands. Okay, all right, I'm gonna take a break. 211 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: I'll be hanging on the telephone on the other side 212 00:10:50,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: of this break with your voicemails, texts and dms. 213 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: All Right, six one seven nine oh six sixty six 214 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: three eight. 215 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. 216 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: That's one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. 217 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: You want to send me a voicemail? You want to 218 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: send me a text? Six one seven nine oh six 219 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: six six three eight. Let's check out some voicemails. This 220 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: one comes from Justin in the five to four to oh. 221 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: Jay. 222 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 4: This is Justin from the five four to oh. I 223 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: just really needed to weigh in on this debacle that 224 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 4: we're calling the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sham 225 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. But anyways, your your 226 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: list gave me an idea for my own list. So 227 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 4: here's my seventh. Okay, and we'll go in order one 228 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 4: to seven. So first one, you know, Motorhead on. Second 229 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 4: would be fog Hat, maybe Blue Orster Calls. Third would 230 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 4: be Humble five, fourth would be Johnny thunders and or 231 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: the New York Dolls five Billy Idle Dix. We'll go ahead, 232 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 4: and do Oasis now seven seven, I'm gonna go ahead 233 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 4: and throw the Misfits in there just because I want to. 234 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 4: Because way it is justin. 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Fantastic list, man. I don't 236 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: know about fog hat. I mean, I could quibble with 237 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: your list, but I think I think you're right on 238 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: with Johnny Thunders and New York Dolls, Billy Idol in Oasis. 239 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: I like how you're tipping your hat to the current nominees. 240 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: I think that's smart. I think this is a solid list, 241 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: and you talk about the Misfits later, I. 242 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, you gotta have. There needs to be room 243 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: for more. 244 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: Of that og seventies early eighties punk that we're on 245 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: to influence so many of the bands that are currently 246 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: being nominated that are from later generations, nineties, et cetera. 247 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. 248 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: Love love to take Justin, thanks so much. We'll get 249 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: into this more, guys, and next week. I wanted to 250 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: play Justin's voicemail because we're going to get into this 251 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: more next week when I think next week, by the 252 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: time we talk again, and if not next week, definitely 253 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: the week after, we should have some clarity from the 254 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on who the seven 255 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: nominees excuse me, inductees for this year will be. In 256 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: the meantime, you want to voice your opinion on who 257 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: those seven should be six one, seven, nine oh six, six, 258 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: six three eight voicemail and text. 259 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: All right, let's check out this one from the four 260 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: to seven. 261 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 4: Oh J. It's one of your biggest fans, Bernard. Mine 262 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: is a two part issue. One is I can't find 263 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 4: any of your bad lands anywhere. Have you taken them off? 264 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I would love, you know, for you to 265 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 4: be post them and tell us where we can still 266 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: listen to them, because you know, they're so wonderful, you know, 267 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: even if you have to rebrand them, you know, a 268 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 4: disgraced land. I would love just to be able to 269 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 4: access them. And number two, I think there are two 270 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: stories that you really need to look into a do 271 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: some research and and and tell the world about. One 272 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: is the the the great vocalist Roy Hamilton. How he 273 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: is the genesis of Elvis's singing style, so much that 274 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 4: everyone who does an impression bothly of Elvis is doing 275 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: an impression of an impression. Two of the great unbelievably 276 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: uninherited R and B singer Little Willie John. He's the 277 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: very first version and the best version of the song 278 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: Fever and the story about how he died and the 279 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: stabbing you know that took place of that that house, 280 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: you know that that went on, that that cost him 281 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: his freedom. It is a fascinating story and he is 282 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: truly an unsung, you know, unherded, you know, vocal talent, 283 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 4: as is Roy Hamilton. I would love to see what 284 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 4: you could do with those stories. 285 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: Take care, Bernard, thank you, thank you for the voicemail, Bernard, Bernard, 286 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: you have an excellent voice. 287 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: You ever thought about doing a podcast? 288 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: First question, hollywood Land? Sorry you said bad Lands. We're 289 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: gonna find the bad Lands episodes. We've rebranded them hollywood Land. 290 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: That's likely why you're not finding them, Bernard. Just search 291 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: hollywood Land in any of your podcast players and you'll 292 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: find a new feed, a hollywood Land feed, and you 293 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: can subscribe there. And we've got about forty or so 294 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: episodes in there right now. We're gonna have more news 295 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: on hollywood Land and what we've got coming down the 296 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: pike in a couple of weeks on your suggestions, really 297 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: great ones, Roy Hamilton. I don't know much about Roy Hamilton. 298 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: People have brought them up to me in the past. 299 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Appreciate your your prompting. Here, it's gonna make me do 300 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: a little digging. I'll root around see if I can 301 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: find a crime angle, some sort of angle besides this. 302 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: See the Elvis influence. Little Willy John is that who 303 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of? That real, real high voice. I didn't 304 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: know about the stabbing. 305 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: I love this. 306 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: This is a true crime angle with little Willy John. 307 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: So perhaps that's something that we'll get into in the 308 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: near future as well. Bernard, thank you so much much 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: for the call. Appreciate six one seven nine or six 310 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: six six three eight. Guys you want to get in 311 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: touch voicemail and text? Oh my god, look at this one. 312 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: Okay. 313 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: This one comes from This text comes from the three 314 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: to zero two, who writes in, bro, my local library 315 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: has what's it all about? I just put a hold 316 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: on it. Okay, So what's it all about? Is the 317 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: Michael Kaine book we were just talking about. Then I 318 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: get another text. This is a couple hours later. It's 319 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: also on audible and you can buy it used from Amazon. 320 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: Okay, cool, cool. 321 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Then I get another text, but an hour later, so 322 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the audible books skip nineteen sixty six to nineteen seventy 323 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: three conveniently. How fucked up is that? So the book 324 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: is available through Audible, which I didn't know. I guess 325 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't. 326 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: I would never. 327 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't do any research with audio books. I just 328 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: do it all with hard copies or digital books. I 329 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: need a book when I'm researching, not in my ears. 330 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: So I did not look on Audible for the Michael knebook. 331 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: But how interesting is this that it is available? But 332 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: they've cut out the year nineteen sixty nine when this 333 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: meeting happens. 334 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: Crazy three h two love this text? Thank you all right? 335 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: Nine two oh is writing in telling me they're an 336 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: ancestor of John Wilkes Booth. 337 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: What no, Edward P. 338 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: Dherty who tracked John Wilkes Booth and brought his body 339 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: back to Washington CEE. I don't know what that has 340 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: to do with disgrace them, but hey, I'm in an 341 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: interesting family lineage, So yeah, thank. 342 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: You for the text. Nine two oh. 343 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: What else we got here? Mike from the five eight 344 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: five in Rochester. Mike from the five A five in 345 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Rochester talking about Rochester being featured again in the Billie 346 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: Idol episode. 347 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: What is it with musicians getting arrested? There? 348 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: That's right, Bowie and Iggy Pop were arrested in Rochester 349 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: as well, and five eight five is talking here about 350 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: joy division and new order. That one escapes me five 351 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: A five, Thank you for the text three four six 352 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: rights and Hello. I've been listening for years, but I 353 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: needed to put my two cents in on the Rock 354 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame nominees. I'm a first generation 355 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: Mexican American and I love Mana and what they stand for. 356 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: Their activism for humanitarian and environmental rights has been something 357 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: I always responded to, and I vividly remember singing songs 358 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: as a kid and later learning their true meaning. It's 359 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: music I still play and enjoy introducing to my kids. 360 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: It's part of our history and culture. Love to get 361 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: your take on some of their classic albums from Houston, 362 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: Susie Susie. I'm gonna check it out. And I meant 363 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: no disrespect to Mana. I hope I'm saying that correctly, 364 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: but my only point was, as I made last week, 365 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: I should know I should have least heard of a 366 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: band if they're being nominated into the Rock and Roll 367 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And I don't put that on me. 368 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: You can put it on me, but I don't put 369 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: it on me. I put it on the band. That 370 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: was my only point. Doesn't mean they're not good, doesn't 371 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: mean that I'm not gonna love them, doesn't mean they're 372 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: not I don't know, worthy of massive fan base. 373 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna check them out. Appreciate you, Susie. Thank you. 374 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Six one seven nine six six six three eight. You 375 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: guys want to send me a voicemail or a text 376 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: eight one two rights in. I just started listening to 377 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: disgrace Land and I'm all in you and your team 378 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: rock my socks. 379 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: We're all about rocking those socks. Welcome. Thanks for hanging out. 380 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: Call back voicemail. 381 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: You know texting is like the entry the gateway drug 382 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, to the Disgraceland community. Voicemail, You're all in 383 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: man six one seven nine o six six six three eight. 384 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Can also send us a DM at Disgrace slamdpod on 385 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Instagram x Facebook, Coco over on Instagram. Our good friend, 386 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: Coco writes in in response to this post we made 387 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: in our stories. I did this interview with The Creative Independent, 388 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: great little magazine up in the Northwest, about process, about 389 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: what I do to write and produce these shows, mainly 390 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: the writing side of it. And I spoke about, you 391 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: know everything, really get into the granular nuts and bolts 392 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: of it. And I spoke about getting up early. It's 393 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: just part of the routine. It's because I have to 394 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: get the writing, the hardest part done early before the 395 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: rest of the day kind of impedes upon my brain. 396 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: And Coco writes it's so relatable. I get up at 397 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: five am two and do all the important heavy work first. 398 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: Nice to have some insight on your creative process. If 399 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: you guys are interested, like Coco in the creative process, 400 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: just search out Disgraceland Jake Brennan and The Creative Independent 401 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: as a great interview in there that I did with 402 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: with my man Jay Bennett. 403 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: We're going to do something new here in the after party. 404 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: You guys can have yours truly myself, me, me, myself 405 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: and I on your voicemail machine. Okay, I can be 406 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: the voice of your virtual answering machine. I will record 407 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: a message for you, is what I'm saying. 408 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: That you can play. 409 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: You can have playing for whoever calls you to leave 410 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: you a message. Hey, this is Jake Brennan from Disgrace 411 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: Sand and deb isn't available to take your call right 412 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: now because she's out doing something awesome. So leave your 413 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: message at the tone or something like that. Here's how 414 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: you can make this happen. You got to find the 415 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: easter egg. 416 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: That's right. It's Easter this weekend, and that means it's 417 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 2: Easter egg time. And I don't just mean the literal kind. 418 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: I mean the figurative kind, and the figurative easter eggs 419 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: are in the most recent episode of Hollywood Land Part 420 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: two on Sharon Tate. Now, there's an easter egg in 421 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: that episode. If you can find it and you can 422 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: be the first to comment on our Instagram today or 423 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: first to call me or text me at six one 424 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six sixty six three eight with the 425 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: right answer, then you yes, you mister or missus Disgrace 426 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: LAM listener will, like I said, receive a recording of 427 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: me for your voicemail message. Here's the Easter egg question 428 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: and the Sharon Tate Part two episode of Hollywood Land. 429 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: Who did Sharon Tate ask for advice from concerning her 430 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: marital problems with Roman Polanski. Who did Sharon seek out 431 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: for advice? Okay, that's the question. Call me six one 432 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: seven nine oh six six six three eight and leave 433 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: me a voicemail, send me a text with your answers, 434 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: or just be the first to comment the answer on 435 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: the Instagram post when we pose this question again. The 436 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: easter egg answer is in the Sharon Tate Part two 437 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: episode of Hollywood Land And Now for something totally different, 438 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: quick sports rant in under thirty second speaking of autobiographies. 439 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Earlier in this episode, the most fascinating man in the 440 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: history of sports has a new autobiography out, Bill Belichick, 441 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: coach of the New England Patriots, and I hear that 442 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: there are no juicy tidbits to be had, just straight 443 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: talk on leadership and winning. And I'm sorry, I almost 444 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: bored myself to sleep there. I don't want to talk 445 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: on leadership and winning. I already got that in the 446 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: Haversham book on Bill Belichick. Okay, I don't need another 447 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: one of those books, all right. I want the dirt man. 448 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: I want to know why Bill Jennison Brady out in 449 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: new way that. I want to know why Bill sat 450 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 1: Wes Welker to start the twenty ten AFC Championship. I 451 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: want to know what in the hell Malcolm Butler did 452 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: to piss off Bill Belichick before Super Bowl fifty two. Okay, 453 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: all right, that's enough sports. Back in the lash through 454 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: emails in a Hollywood Lab Minute. 455 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: All right, we are back and you know what time 456 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: it is. 457 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: It's time for the Hollywood lad Minute, brought to you 458 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: by the Hollywood Lamb Podcast. 459 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: Don't know what the Hollywood Lab podcast is? Well, the 460 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: Hollywood Lamb Podcast is hosted about. 461 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: Yours truly, where every week I tell you a story 462 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right 463 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: now there are over forty episodes waiting for you to bane. 464 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: Episodes on James Dean, Armie Hammer, Charlie she And, Danny Treo, 465 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe, Steve McQueen, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda, and most recently, 466 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: the very talented and very beautiful Sharon Tate. 467 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: Here's a clip. 468 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: October tenth, nineteen sixty seven, a hotel room in Rome, 469 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: America's perfect movie star, Sharon Tate watching television more than 470 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: a thousand miles away on a Southampton doc in the UK. 471 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: Sharon's friend, Cass Elliott, was in handcuffs. 472 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: Sharon watched it. 473 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: All go down on the black and white set, like 474 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: the rest of America watching on their own TV sets 475 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: back home. Sharon was in shock. Cass was being charged 476 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: with stealing towels and soap from a London hotel, held 477 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: over from the last time she was in London. How 478 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: embarrassing Sharon could relate. She herself had recently been arrested 479 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: for something even more ridiculous than pilfering toilet tries, busted 480 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: on a train in Italy for the offense of wearing 481 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: a short dress that was a little too short. Someone 482 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: should tell the Italian cops that the societal norms were 483 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: shifting thirteen million women in the world on the pill 484 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: sex and the Single Girls selling millions, even if its 485 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: author couldn't say the word sex on television. And if 486 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: you weren't prepared for all that, Grandpa, then buckle up 487 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: for the Valley of the Dolls, which hit the cinemas 488 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: that December. 489 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: It was the sixties. People could go where they wanted 490 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: to go, do what they wanted to do. 491 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: Less, of course, they were Cass. Something about Cass's bus 492 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: just didn't sit right with Sharon. Her arrest in nineteen 493 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: sixty seven was for a minute, anyway, all anyone back 494 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: home in the States could talk about even more than 495 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: Sharon's skimpy outfits and Valley of the Dolls. It would 496 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: remain one of America's most infamous busts from the world 497 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: of pop stardom until two years later in nineteen sixty nine, 498 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: when another arrest for the murder of Cass, Elliott's loyal 499 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: and sympathetic friend, would nearly eradicate Cass's seemingly innocent bus 500 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: from the pop consciousness. All right, guys, make sure you 501 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: are subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or 502 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Next week we have our 503 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: episode on Robin Williams coming your way, and you're not 504 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna want to miss that, all right, disgrace ampod at 505 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. You got anything you want to get 506 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: off your chest, send me an email, Christopher easily writes 507 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: in short and sweet the way I like it was 508 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: Mama Cass doing freak offs before, did he No? But 509 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: there was some I believe, some really really gruesome shit 510 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: going on, and uh yeah, I'm reading this email in part, 511 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: because if you have not heard these episodes yet, what 512 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: are you waiting for? Get in there. Okay, you're not 513 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: going to be disappointed. This one comes from Jim Greenhow 514 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: who writes saying, Hey, love your pods, Jake. I think 515 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: I came across your podcast while listening to Karina Longworst podcast. 516 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: I don't really remember, but I have been listening NonStop 517 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: to both pods every day. Your pods make my day 518 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: go so much faster. My favorite episodes so far are 519 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: James Keen, Dennis Hopper, Drew Barrymore, etcetera, etcetera. I did 520 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: namefuse said Vicious goes hones say, I think a big 521 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: part of what makes your pod so successful, and then 522 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: he goes on to say very nice things about my voice. 523 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: I want to get to this part of the email here. 524 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: Jim goes on to say, I do have one subject 525 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: for you that I think you could do a real 526 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: deep dive into Aero Flynn and his son Sean Flynn. 527 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they've ever even found Sean Flynn's body 528 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: in Vietnam or Cambodia. And then there's the rumors about 529 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Errol being either a spy or a Nazi sympathizer and 530 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: the young girls. Of course, Well take care and I'll 531 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: keep posting the links to your pods on my social media. 532 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: I read this gym because it's so on topic. For 533 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: today's bonus episode of After Party Again, we've hit on 534 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: all these books. 535 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: That Errol Flynn autobiography. It's called My Life. It's something 536 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: very basic like that. I have. I think I have 537 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: a first edition of that. I have a really really 538 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: old copy that was very hard to get and one 539 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 2: of those things that's out of print, and it's out 540 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: of print for a reason. The stuff in that book 541 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: is fucking crazy, and one I didn't know anything about 542 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: his son. Either this is or the Nazi sympathizing spy stuff. 543 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: This sounds fantastic. I'm pumped. 544 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I haven't even read ero Flynn's 545 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: autobiography yet. I've skimmed it. It's the type of thing 546 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: you can just pick up and get pulled into really 547 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: any page and just your jaw will be on the floor. 548 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: We got into the Errol Flynn Bundy Boys story in 549 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: the Drew Barrymore episode because her grandfather was involved in it, 550 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: and that's the Hollywood Land episode. Just this story is 551 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: fucking nuts. And we also got into it more explicitly 552 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: in the Marilyn Monroe episodes because Marilyn was present during 553 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: this event or during the telling of this event. Yeah, 554 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: one of Errol Flynn's many sort of like party tricks. Anyhow, 555 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Errol's influence so notorious Jim that he's popped up in 556 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: those two episodes, but have not yet done one on 557 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: him for Hollywood Land, But I will. 558 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, Oh man, it's. 559 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Kind of dreary here, and I just have this image 560 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: of me like curled up in my comfy chair over 561 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: here with that Errol Flynn book for the rest of 562 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: the afternoon, just reading it away. Then it gonna happen. 563 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: Though I got to finish this episode. We'll get some 564 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: reviews to check out right here. You know why we 565 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: do the reviews because the reviews help the show grow. 566 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: You guys helped me out with the reviews on Apple 567 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: Podcasts and Spotify. If I read it here, you guys 568 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: get in touch and I get you some merch. That's 569 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,719 Speaker 1: how it works. And again, I don't just do this 570 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: to be self congratulatory, although I don't care how shameless 571 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: this is. This is what helps the show grow. It 572 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: is one of the number one engines for driving discovery 573 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: is activity on the apps surrounding the podcast. So if 574 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: you leave a review, you give it a rating. On 575 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, you give Disgraceland, hollywood Land. 576 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: A little review. A little love goes a real. 577 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Long way, and it's easy and it's cheap, and it's 578 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: a way for you to support the show, and I'm 579 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: super super appreciative of it. This review on Apple Podcasts 580 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 1: comes from podcast fan Queen, who writes, Hey, my new binge. 581 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Someone asked me if I had listened to the Maryland episodes. Oh, there, 582 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: we got Marilyn Monroe of this podcast, so of course 583 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: I ran to listen because she's my personal icon. And 584 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: now I am hooked all caps. It's like talking with 585 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: my my friend. We are obviously the same generation. So 586 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: everything Jake says is like, Yes, I love the narration, 587 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: I love the commentary, I love the melotron. 588 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: I'm just obsessed. I'm telling everyone I know to listen. 589 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: I'm binging every episode. 590 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: Great podcast, great host, great subjects, just super awesome podcast 591 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: fan Queen. You sound super awesome and I appreciate you. 592 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: Get in touch over on Apple Podcasts, Lady Celeste underscore 593 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: KTF writes, Wow, I've been listening for a month or 594 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: so now and I like the podcast, but after hearing 595 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: this two part episode on my my cast, I can 596 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: officially say I love this podcast. Lady Celesta's I want 597 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: to say some very nice things. We appreciate you, Lady Celeste, 598 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Get in touch, guys, you want 599 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,239 Speaker 1: to leave a review Apple Podcasts and Spotify, get in 600 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: there this episode it's nearing its end, but the after 601 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: party here, it's going to continue for all access members. 602 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: Now what might the all access? What are we even 603 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: talking about, Jake? How do I get in on this 604 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: all acts action? Well, it's very simple. You go to 605 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: disgraceslampod dot com slash membership where you can sign up 606 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: for just five dollars a month. 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Here for artists and the bonus section of 617 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: the after Party. Just now we were talking about James Brown. 618 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: Get an archive episode on James Brown. We of course 619 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: talked about Madonna. Madonna is one of my favorite all 620 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: time episodes of Disgrace, Slam, Motley, Crue, Rick, James. Matt's 621 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: going to have these archive episodes and links for them, 622 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: and the information in the show notes of this page 623 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 1: make it easy for you guys to find it. 624 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: If you're new to the show. 625 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: We have two hundred and thirty plus scripted full episodes 626 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: for you guys to dig into in the archive. Go 627 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: check those out. Binge away. All right, we're about to 628 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: get out of here, so let's recap number one. My 629 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: other podcast, Hollywoodland, is alive and kicking over in the 630 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: hollywood Land feeds, So make sure you're subscribed in following 631 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get 632 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: your podcasts, and get ready for our Hollywood Land Robin 633 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: Williams episode coming on Monday, noise. 634 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: You just heard? Is my son coming in and then leaving? 635 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: Number two right now in your disgrace Land feed our 636 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: two part episode on Mama cast Elliott number three coming tomorrow, 637 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: our Rewine episodes on the Eagles, and next week Chris Cornell. 638 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: So make sure you're subscribed to disgrace Land. Number four, 639 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. 640 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: Number five. Remember no one cares about preserving the true 641 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: spirit of rock and roll more than you do. 642 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: And well that is a disgrace, all right. 643 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: In honor of this week's subject, Sharon Tate, this is 644 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: me reading you the billboard charts from the infamous day 645 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: Miss Tate was taken from US August eighth, nineteen sixty nine. 646 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Number one in the year twenty five twenty five. Zagar 647 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: and Evans last week one, peak position one weeks on 648 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: chart eight. Number two, Crystal Blue Persuasion, Tommy James and 649 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: the Chandells last week two, peak position two weeks on 650 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: chart ten. Number three, Honky Talk Women The Rolling Stones 651 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: last week time eight peak positions three weeks on charts 652 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: for this Johnny number four, What does it take to win? 653 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: Your Love Junior Walker in the All Stars last week 654 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: top five on the peak. 655 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: Position four, two weeks on charts, top ten, number five, 656 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Sweet Caroline for Real comments. 657 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 3: Last shot six fet positions, Get five Mix our Choice, 658 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: Quit talking and start mixing. 659 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 4: Cut it,