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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ Presents.

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Speaker 2: We have been covering the Brian Walsh trial.

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Speaker 1: It has been even more fascinating, perhaps than we had anticipated,

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Speaker 1: but we have alongside us, back by popular demand, a

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Speaker 1: legal expert and renowned criminal defense attorney, Alison Triesil. And Alison,

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Speaker 1: you've been watching alongside of us, and this first week

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Speaker 1: of testimony wrapped up with a bang. We're already back

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Speaker 1: at it on week two here on Monday morning. But

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Speaker 1: what was your big takeaway last week?

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Speaker 3: There's probably three big takeaways. I wanted to know what

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Speaker 3: the what the former lover had to say. I wanted

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Speaker 3: to know what the medical examiner was going to say,

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Speaker 3: and how the defense was going to cross examine the

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Speaker 3: medical examiner. And of course I had to wrap my

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Speaker 3: head around this defense and was the prosecution going to

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Speaker 3: spend all weekend preparing for how we're going to answer?

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Speaker 3: There's no body, there's no manner or cause of death.

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Speaker 3: How are we going to deal with this? And unfortunately

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Speaker 3: for the prosecution, in my mind, unless I see more

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Speaker 3: and a lot more, I think they missed a lot

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Speaker 3: of key points. I think that they could have done

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Speaker 3: a lot more with the medical examiner that they had

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Speaker 3: on the stand. I think they could have done more

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Speaker 3: with mister Fusto and asking him questions. So this is

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Speaker 3: a case where you have these searches that make the

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Speaker 3: prosecution's case nearly a slam dunk, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: we're at a place where I'm scratching my head and

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, eh, wait a minute, wait a minute, the

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Speaker 3: defense has something here. Nobody, no intent, no causation, no

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Speaker 3: manner of death. This is a problem for the prosecution.

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Speaker 4: I got Allison, We're smart, we feel so validated right now.

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Speaker 4: We're not legal experts, but we watched all last week

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Speaker 4: and we got to even day two, day three, and

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Speaker 4: we couldn't believe what we were saying, Like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: maybe that didn't happen. I could not believe. And it

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Speaker 4: sounds like this is what you are saying. The defense

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Speaker 4: had a good first week.

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Speaker 3: The worst potential case. I mean, you know we're starting

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Speaker 3: from a place of less than zero. Okay, I mean really,

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Speaker 3: you know I've done this for many years and this

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Speaker 3: is not the kind of case you want to take

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Speaker 3: to trial. You go to trial because you have no

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Speaker 3: other option, because no offer is on the table. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, I'm also questioning why the prosecution allowed

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Speaker 3: him to plea to the other charges before the case

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Speaker 3: got to trial, because now they may be handcuffed where

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Speaker 3: they can't even talk about the fact that he pled

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Speaker 3: to it. So I'm saying, you know, was the fact

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Speaker 3: that they could prove consciousness of guilt. That's not enough

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Speaker 3: for me. So I'm again I'm saying, this is a

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Speaker 3: very bad case for the defense. Those searches may rule

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Speaker 3: the day, but we are talking about the defense. And basically,

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Speaker 3: from what I saw from the corner and the medical examiner,

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Speaker 3: the defense attorney owned him. That was as if he

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Speaker 3: was his witness.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that has stood out to both TJ

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Speaker 1: and me is this notion of first degree murder. They

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Speaker 1: have to show premeditation if they don't have the motive

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Speaker 1: that they think they have.

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Speaker 2: If the defense can prove or at least create.

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Speaker 1: Doubt that Brian Walsh may not have known his wife

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Speaker 1: was having an affair, how do you then prove premeditation.

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Speaker 1: There was a moment where you and I both looked

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Speaker 1: at each other when the defense attorney, Larry Tifton right

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Speaker 1: he was able.

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Speaker 2: To to have the forensics.

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Speaker 1: The digital forensics guy read off all of these other

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Speaker 1: back and forth between his wife and him, showing love,

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Speaker 1: showing pictures, back and forth before January one. None of

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Speaker 1: his searches were about murder. None of his searches were

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Speaker 1: about planning something. They were quite the opposite. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to say something about premeditation. First of all,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be formed days, weeks, hours beforehand.

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Speaker 3: It can be formed pretty quickly. Okay, pre meditation can

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Speaker 3: be formed fairly quickly, So I would focus if I'm

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Speaker 3: the prosecution. And this is where I think they missed

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Speaker 3: a lot of key moments. Is you know, they had

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Speaker 3: mister Fausto on the stand and the most interesting part

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Speaker 3: of his testimony to me was this phone call that

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Speaker 3: Brian Walsh made to him and left him this message. Okay, now,

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Speaker 3: if he if Falsto is only the real estate broker

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Speaker 3: who they had spoken to months before and nothing more,

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Speaker 3: why is Brian Walsh calling him on January fourth and

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Speaker 3: saying where is my wife? And he does it in

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Speaker 3: a way that's very nice, And you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a problem. I'm not concerned when we know,

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Speaker 3: of course now that he actually had dismembered her by

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Speaker 3: that part, by that point, and had you know, taken

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Speaker 3: to this man. But why him? Why is he calling him?

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Speaker 3: If he didn't know something about them? I would have

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Speaker 3: spent a lot of time as the prosecution and of

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Speaker 3: course the defense was going to gloss over that. But

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Speaker 3: I it seems to me that the that the prosecution

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Speaker 3: is for some reason rushing through these witnesses they're ahead

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Speaker 3: of schedule. Well, that doesn't need that doesn't help them

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Speaker 3: slowly methodically. That's the kind of question that you spend

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Speaker 3: a lot of time on. Why is this man calling

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Speaker 3: a guy that the only relationship he knows is that

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Speaker 3: they were in a real estate deal many many months ago.

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Speaker 3: That is as strange, and that would show that Brian

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Speaker 3: Walsh knew exactly who he was, knew exactly who he was,

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Speaker 3: and so premeditation could have been formed if he looked

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Speaker 3: at the phone and he saw that him wishing her

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Speaker 3: a very happy New Year and then said what is this?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? I would have also spent time talking

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Speaker 3: about the clothes that she's wearing and meaning what was

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Speaker 3: found in the dumpsters? Is it what the person who

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Speaker 3: they celebrated New Year's Eve with? Is that what she

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Speaker 3: was wearing because his hit The opening from the defense

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Speaker 3: seemed to be that she died while she was in bed. Well,

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Speaker 3: why is she wearing her shoes? Why is she wearing

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Speaker 3: her jacket? Those kinds of things. Don't leave those for

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Speaker 3: the jury to speculate on. Hammer them home, spend time

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Speaker 3: on them, slow down, missed, missed opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you just brought up two points that I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure I did not hear them spend any time. You

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Speaker 4: said that you were to spend more. I didn't hear

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Speaker 4: them spend much time at all on either of those things.

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Speaker 1: Is motive?

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Speaker 4: Am I justified on that jury right now? As taking

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Speaker 4: the motive being the affair off the table? Do I

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Speaker 4: have reasonable doubt at this point that Brian Walsh did

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Speaker 4: not know about the affair?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it raised I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it raises to the level of reasonable doubt. I think

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Speaker 3: we have to see what comes. But certainly, certainly there

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Speaker 3: Fausto did. Falsto made very clear that while he was

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Speaker 3: very open about the affair. She was not okay that

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Speaker 3: She basically said to him, I wanted to I want

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Speaker 3: it to come from me. But what the prosecution didn't

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Speaker 3: pull out of him is you have no idea what

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Speaker 3: conversations these two had. You have no idea what happened

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Speaker 3: that night you were not there. You have no idea

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Speaker 3: how many messages have you sent to her that he

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Speaker 3: could have easily seen. So those kinds of questions were

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Speaker 3: really missed opportunities because we're left, okay, the jury is

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Speaker 3: left with he didn't know about it. He didn't know

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting you say that because when the defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: when lippt In was cross examining fast Out, and said

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Speaker 1: to him, did you ever have any indication.

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Speaker 2: That Brian Walsh knew about your affair?

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Speaker 1: And he said no, Did Anna ever tell you she

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Speaker 1: thought her husband was suspicious?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: By that alone, you would have thought the prosecution would

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Speaker 1: have come back for redirect and did exactly what you

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they, because that, to me, was a moment

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Speaker 2: for the defense, a clear vic for the defense.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Now, by the way, what's interesting is when I

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Speaker 3: was thinking about ways to say maybe he found out

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Speaker 3: gone through the text as a defense attorney. My immediate

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Speaker 3: reaction to that would have been, well, if he found

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Speaker 3: and said something to the effective he knows, he knows now.

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Speaker 3: But maybe there was a struggle. Maybe there was a

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Speaker 3: struggle there and you don't know. Look, you don't know

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Speaker 3: what happened. Which is part of the prosecution's problem is

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Speaker 3: that there is no body right so you and you know,

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Speaker 3: And I was thinking about ways over the weekend. How

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Speaker 3: could you know? What are the questions that you asked

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Speaker 3: the medical examiner? How you get out you know?

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Speaker 3: Does it? Does blood after postmrtem post mortem? Can you

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Speaker 3: Can you see if that is post mortem or not?

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Speaker 3: Those kinds of things that that I would be trying

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Speaker 3: And that's what I would have been spending time with

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Speaker 3: week into this, and the prosecutors have now known for

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Speaker 3: got to be way ahead of this. So, for example,

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Speaker 3: he did was he basically said, well, you know, these

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Speaker 3: when he wouldn't even agree with him that it's uncommon.

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Speaker 3: It was a very strange moment that, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and if i'm if I'm the prosecutor, I literally give statistics. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you personally has performed fifteen hundred autopsies. How many of

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Speaker 3: those that you personally performed were unexplained deaths? How many?

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Speaker 3: And I'd go on and on, And he's he is

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Speaker 3: and he's not somebody that was exaggerating or blowing things up.

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Speaker 3: So he was someone that was very, very credible, and

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Speaker 3: they should have used that as an opportunity to say

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Speaker 3: to him, healthy woman, did you go through her medical

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Speaker 3: records before? Did you interview people? And they touched on

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Speaker 3: it a little bit, but you interview people around her

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Speaker 3: plane flight in Washington from Washington, right, those kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: But I would have spent far more time talking about

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Speaker 3: how uncommon it is. I mean, think about how much

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Speaker 3: time the defense spent trying to enumerate every single type

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Speaker 4: Do you think this is going to happen? Should the

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Speaker 4: judge let the jury hear about the police on the

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Speaker 4: other two convictions? She seemed to be really going back

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Speaker 4: and forth about this and hasn't decided what she's.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to do.

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Speaker 3: Right, she's fascinating on it. And you know I had

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Speaker 3: said the last time that I was on is that

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Speaker 3: There was also there was also some interesting exchange about

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Speaker 3: a one year plan, a ten year plan, a twenty

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Speaker 3: year plan, and the prosecution just let that one go too.

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Speaker 3: I would have gone back to that and said, well,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about that. I mean, did you too, even

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Speaker 3: though you had young children, did you guys see each

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Speaker 3: other together in a fifteen year, twenty year plan. What

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Speaker 3: does that look like?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I mean, did you have did she have contingency plans

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Speaker 3: if her husband went to prison? Was she going to

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Speaker 3: stay with them? Those to me? TJ missed, missed.

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Speaker 4: Well, it has been very interesting to watch, yes, of course,

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Speaker 4: but it's really you've pointed some things out today and

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Speaker 4: this is why we have you as the expert that

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Speaker 4: we didn't think about and if we start thinking about it,

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Speaker 4: maybe the jury isn't thinking about it and they need

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Speaker 4: a lawyer to point it out and the prosecution hasn't

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Speaker 4: been doing that. So thank you. It's good to see you.

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Speaker 4: We're going to see you next week as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next Monday.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Alison Trizl. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for helping us get the perspective

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Speaker 1: we need to fully watch this trial.

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Speaker 2: But it has been non stop, just crazy.

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Speaker 1: Moments in court, so thank you for continuing to watch

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Speaker 1: alongside us.

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Speaker 2: Of course,