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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and special guest here we have coming

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Speaker 2: right out of the gate, Steelers cornerback AFC interception leader

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Speaker 2: tied for also the most interceptions in the league by

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Speaker 2: any cornerback in the league. That would be Steelers cornerback

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Speaker 2: Dante Jackson. How you doing, Dante? We appreciate you stopping

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Speaker 2: by today.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, doing great man, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we appreciate you stoping about. Does it get

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Speaker 2: old hearing those kind of things thrown at you leader

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Speaker 2: in interceptions for cornerbacks, leader in the AFC in interceptions,

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Speaker 2: things things like that, or is it about nine to three?

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Speaker 3: It's rush every time I hear it. It's fresh every

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Speaker 3: time I hear But yeah, I'm up here in nine

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Speaker 3: and three. Way more.

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Speaker 2: Dante. You've you've been pretty outspoken about this, especially when

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Speaker 2: the Steelers have been going. I've gone on the road

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Speaker 2: this year. The the number of fans that show up

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Speaker 2: at these road games, it's just uh has been a

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Speaker 2: little mind boggling for you, has it not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, it was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: I've heard it from my teammates, like all through OTAs,

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Speaker 4: all through camp, you know, and then you go to

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Speaker 4: Atlanta and you're like, hey, man, you know this is cool.

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Speaker 3: But then you go thousands of miles away to.

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Speaker 4: Las Vegas and then it's like even more there and

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Speaker 4: it's just like like, man, yeah, this is this is

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Speaker 4: this is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Man. So that's probably been one of the biggest.

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Speaker 4: Things that that that that stuck with me, you know,

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Speaker 4: this this season. Man, just seeing how well and how

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Speaker 4: how how passionate the fan base is and how much

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Speaker 3: Man, that's been awesome.

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Speaker 5: How's the new community treated you? I mean just living

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Speaker 5: here in Pittsburgh and not just fans in general, I

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Speaker 5: mean moving north from you know, LSU to Carolina, this

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Speaker 5: neck of woods. How you liking them?

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Speaker 3: I'm liking it. I'm liking I'm sure that the good

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Speaker 3: football has a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 4: My wife and kids getting used to like the snow

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Speaker 4: and the cold weather and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But I've been loving it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I spend most of my time in the facility, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Cool on the south side. Man. My wife is still

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Speaker 3: kind of you.

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Speaker 4: Know, working her way into you know, liking it and

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Speaker 4: you know, getting the cold weather gear and stuff, having

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Speaker 4: to pack the kids up every morning. But it's been awesome.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely new for us. Home for us, it's Charlotte

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Speaker 4: has been Charlotte for the last but six years. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's been new, but it's definitely been been great, been refreshing.

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Speaker 4: We get our first holiday season with some snow and stuff,

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Speaker 4: so kids are excited about that.

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Speaker 3: But definitely it's been a great welcome.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 5: We've been loving it, Dante, with the defense playing as

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Speaker 5: well as it has here that the takeaways have been

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Speaker 5: a big, big part of that, and it really is

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Speaker 5: kind of a culture here in Pittsburgh, is it not.

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Speaker 4: It's just something we've been working since day one, Like

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Speaker 4: the takeaway drills, the takeaway circa, that's been something we've

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Speaker 4: new to me just to see such instasis on taking

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Speaker 4: a day to day work and not just showing up

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Speaker 4: on Sundays and TJ's making splash plays, you know, from

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Speaker 4: the outside looking in, I thought that's how it was,

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Speaker 4: but then I get here and I'm like, nah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: because's a great interception guy because he's working it every day.

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Speaker 4: TJ's punching these balls out and Cam has batting these

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Speaker 3: So just embodied into the culture.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's been awesome just to see and they've been

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Speaker 4: even more awesome to see it come to life on Sundays.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you just touched on the question I was about

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Speaker 5: to ask about Cam Hayward in particular. But the entire

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Speaker 5: defensive line seems to back passes at the line of

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Speaker 5: And is that something they work on a ton? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's really something that they work telling.

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Speaker 4: You know practice you you you don't even get your

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Speaker 4: TJ is somebody Kean who has already batting it down

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Speaker 4: a larro or somebody. But yeah, on Sundays, man, you

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Speaker 4: you love those things because sometimes your your technique isn't

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Speaker 4: always there. Guy may get you on the slant ball

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Speaker 4: your face and next thing you know, one of the

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Speaker 4: big guys putting a hand up there and batting it

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Speaker 4: see another player, you know. So yeah, man, it's definitely

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Speaker 4: we've been, you know, forcing some takeaways, were just getting

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Speaker 4: the ball, tapping up, hitting it in the air. My

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Speaker 4: Cam put his hand up on a quick slint and

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think that.

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Speaker 4: That just goes all to towards the culture and just

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Speaker 5: You give him a little tip of the captive for

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Speaker 5: that one, or you take credit for it all the time.

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Speaker 4: All the time, man, you know, corner backs getting pitchy.

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Speaker 4: You have to look at the d line as well,

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Speaker 4: because it's I'm sure it's something that that that they're

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Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it's always big up to those guys

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Speaker 5: What are you seeing from your partner of crime there,

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Speaker 5: Joey Porter Jr. I mean, young player, very talented, great size.

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Speaker 5: Does he learn a lot from you guys you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's bro man.

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Speaker 4: I've always been a huge fan of Joey, even when

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Speaker 4: just and being I remember being literally remember being excited

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a huge, huge fan of Joey game

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Speaker 4: and just getting to know him it kind of made

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Speaker 3: So yeah, just coming to work with him every day.

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Speaker 4: It's a blast, man, because nobody really loves the ball

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Speaker 2: One of the really cool things about your secondary this

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Speaker 2: do you have a relationship with Menka? Did you ever

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean, me and Minka was going to camps together

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Speaker 3: Stuff like that. So I've always followed me and he's always.

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Speaker 4: Been one of my favorite defensive players, you know, back

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Speaker 4: He give you answer to a question and you ain't

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Speaker 4: can stay playing like that because I'm gonna be here.

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Speaker 4: You know, just just just the IQ of having a

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Speaker 5: We know, make has been a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: drought with interceptions. I'm sure there's plenty of come because

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Speaker 5: you're taking them all you're stealing, but how much does

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Speaker 5: it allow you guys to be more aggressive knowing that

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Speaker 4: I mean, when when you think about a player like

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Speaker 4: very surface level, because he makes impacts in ways that

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Speaker 4: So just like I said, just having a guy back there,

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Speaker 4: you know, just his just his track record has quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: When it comes to him, man, it's very surface level.

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Speaker 4: And we kind of got to leave that to the

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Speaker 2: Your next pick will be your twentieth in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't something new for you getting five interceptions

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Speaker 2: this year. You've You've been an interception guy over the

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Speaker 2: tried to acquire you in the past and it just

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Speaker 2: hadn't worked out. But you seem to have found a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, man, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I remember being in a pre draft meeting with coach

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Speaker 3: You know, I just thought it was always destined.

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Speaker 4: And I also think that, you know, this is the

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Speaker 4: perfect time to just to you know, find home and

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Speaker 4: be somewhere where I'm greatly appreciated and who sees my

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Speaker 4: because I love it here, and I love what this

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Speaker 4: just to keep on putting it together and just you know,

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Speaker 5: So you've obviously been in the league long enough to

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Speaker 5: see some incredible wide receivers and have to do batter

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Speaker 5: with those guys, But George Pickens. I mean you go

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Speaker 5: against him a lot in practice, obviously, camp one on ones,

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Speaker 5: all that good stuff. Are there many in the league

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Speaker 4: Man, That dude's a unicorn man, And I think that

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Speaker 4: is Man, I don't think nobody has as much fun

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Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate your time done. You have a lot

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Speaker 2: appreciate you calling in. That's Steelers defensive back Dante Jackson,

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

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Speaker 5: We can thank Dante Jackson for stopping by, and don't

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: Guy and Dale Lolly. He is Dean, Matt Williamson. Man,

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Speaker 2: this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. And

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Speaker 2: how about this practice report?

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Speaker 5: Matt.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're the Steelers. Everybody on the active roster was

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Speaker 2: a full participant today except for Cam Hayward, who was

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Speaker 3: Which.

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Speaker 5: Great, it's working. You just keep doing whatever.

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Speaker 2: Cat cryogenic bubble wrap. I don't care what you're doing

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Speaker 2: with him. Keep doing whatever you're doing with him, because

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Speaker 2: it's working. Corey Trice was activated off of IR today,

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Speaker 2: so he is. He is officially back. Alex Highsmith a

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Speaker 5: You never see that in week one, no, let alone December.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It might be the first time this year that they've had. Yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 5: The actual practice report one day ago was extensive, but

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Speaker 5: that's a pretty encouraging sign. The Browns released theirs yet

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Speaker 5: but I love that Heismith's back. I'm excited about Trice

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Speaker 2: Was a full participant. He hasn't been activated yet, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know if he counted or not okay. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean they're there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's as good as uh good as it's.

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Speaker 2: Been all season. In fact, if you remember going into

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Speaker 5: It happens everything. Yeah, I mean, it's it's rare, rare,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they're feeling pretty good heading into this game.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the in many respects, you lost the

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Speaker 2: then you benefited from that that long that little extra

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Speaker 2: they practiced on Tuesday of that week, which was something

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Speaker 5: There are NFL rules for that, I know, the bye wee, because.

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Speaker 2: You just have to have eight day off at some

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Speaker 5: So usually what the Steelers do is they'll they'll have

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Speaker 5: He gave him the entire weekend off. Just relax, get

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Speaker 5: your bodies right. That doesn't mean guys stayed away from

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Speaker 2: You don't have to be you didn't have any set

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's great. It goes along the way to these guys.

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Speaker 2: And then they had a practice, you know, they practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 5: And that worked.

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Speaker 2: Whatever they did work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, keep it up. And I love that the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, still waiting on Cleveland's end of that.

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Speaker 5: But there's just not gonna be the same.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they had a bunch of guys on there yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That again, they played Monday night. Yesterday's practice for them

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course. I mean again, I can't stress this

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Speaker 2: And Wednesday was an estimated practice.

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Speaker 5: Wenesday's estimated practice. You're still getting your body right and

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Speaker 2: And in fact, they'll practice two two days for this

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I wonder. I asked Aunte about it briefly,

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Speaker 2: I would think in some ways it's almost like when

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a lot more game planning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just a physical reps that you got

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Speaker 5: I mean, like, I don't pick anyone. Miles Garrett's obvious

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Speaker 2: No, I think you have in the case of Winston,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's less a lot more tape

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Speaker 5: quarterback getting a beat on you. Yeah, I mean they're

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Speaker 5: just so much more important, you know, and they're running.

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Speaker 5: They're running a different offense now, oh yeah as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean Ken Dorsey is calling the plays now for them,

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Speaker 2: You know, you brought it up today on the matchup

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Speaker 2: Steelers Dot YouTube channel. They're just throwing the ball a

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Speaker 5: No, they've almost abandoned it. I mean, of course they

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Speaker 5: run the ball, but I mean he's throwing the ball

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Speaker 5: fifty sixty times a game sometimes, which is crazy. But

443
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 5: the running games, it's not effective.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even the first time we're runing against

445
00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I mean, they didn't hurt them on the ground.

446
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 5: Really, I know, I you know, I know, Chubb had

447
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 5: a couple of rushing touchdowns and he only ended up

448
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 5: with like thirty yards or something.

449
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: He had fifty nine yards on twenty carries. He averaged

450
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,480
Speaker 2: less than three yards of carry. Yeah, like that wasn't

451
00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 2: the reason you lost the game. Now he consistently got

452
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,199
Speaker 2: yardage he did. The Steelers only had one tackle for

453
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 2: a loss in that game, which is well below norm

454
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 2: for them, but it was still a lot of third

455
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 2: and six, you know, third and eight, second and eight,

456
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 2: you know, those kind of things.

457
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Speaker 5: And just focusing on Chubb if you look at I

458
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,000
Speaker 5: forgot how many games he's played since he's come back

459
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 5: from the injury, but if you watch them all, I

460
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,440
Speaker 5: thought he absolutely looked the best in the Steeler game.

461
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, his balance is burst nothing like he

462
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,239
Speaker 5: used to be. But still I thought that was his

463
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 5: best tape that he's put out. But this past week,

464
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 5: I mean, almost all first contact brought him down, you know,

465
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 5: I mean, his balance was phenomenal. He was so hard

466
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 5: to knock off his.

467
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,159
Speaker 2: Pens and those fresh legs. At that point, I.

468
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 5: Wonder, is the riggers and you know, you just not

469
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 5: have the same juice that you did when he came back.

470
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Speaker 2: Let's put it this way. I mean he's already he's

471
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Speaker 2: up to eighty two carries now, which actually leads the team.

472
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Speaker 5: Which is amazing.

473
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty two carries leads a team. Jerome Ford, who's

474
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 2: been active all season long, has seventy carries.

475
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 5: And he outsnaps him too, And they just don't run it.

476
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 2: They just don't run it.

477
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,160
Speaker 5: Out snaps him because he's better in the passing game.

478
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 2: They've run two hundred and seventy two hundred and seventy

479
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: four rushing plays for the season. Winston, who has started

480
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 2: five games, has two hundred and thirty passing attempts.

481
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, right at the time. And you wonder like they

482
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 5: are throwing the ball at a high rate. They are

483
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 5: if you include Tillman who's missed a little bit of time.

484
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 5: Those three receivers in the joke are all getting fed.

485
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 5: I mean, and none of them are short on targets.

486
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 5: They're all averaging eight to eleven is targets. You know

487
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 5: the joke who got seventeen last week. They just I mean,

488
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 5: they don't throw to the backs all that much. I mean,

489
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 5: it's probably about the least used backfield in the NFL.

490
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: Right now, Yeah, I mean if you look at it

491
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 2: for the season as twenty seven catches, but a lot

492
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: of that was with with Watson. With Watson, he was

493
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: checking the ball down to them.

494
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Speaker 5: That was one of the huge complaints slash problems with

495
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 5: Watson was he turned down a lot of potential plays,

496
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 5: which Mace coach is insane. Chubb best five catches, five catches, Yeah,

497
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 5: I mean, he's never a great receiver, but he's capable

498
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 5: if you toss.

499
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 2: Them a ball off to him.

500
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

501
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: They just they're just not using the backs at all

502
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: in that regard. Its all down the down.

503
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Speaker 5: The field, absolutely, and he throws I forget what the

504
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 5: number was, but he throws past the chains, you know,

505
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 5: sticks high percentage. It's not all fifty yard bombs left

506
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 5: and right. But he drives the ball down the field,

507
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 5: you know, and does it pretty well, you know, except

508
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 5: for when he gets a hiccup.

509
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: But that's one of the things that the Steelers have

510
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: excelled at.

511
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 5: Exactly downfield coverage. They have eleven interceptions on passes beyond

512
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Speaker 5: the sticks. Beyond the sticks, which is at the top

513
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 5: of the league, folks. Right, So and again it takes

514
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 5: time to do that, it does. I keep coming back

515
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 5: to the Steelers defensive front against a semi mobile Winston.

516
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 5: You know, he moved around well against the Steelers pass

517
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 5: rush a couple of weeks ago. And I think he's

518
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 5: lighter on his feet now than when he came in

519
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 5: the league. He was actually a little chubby looking when

520
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 5: he came in the league's he's changed his body.

521
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 2: He's all this crab.

522
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 5: And the blocking is not too That's well known. You

523
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 5: can google that one. And his blocking is not tremendous.

524
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 5: And I just think that the Steelers d line isn't

525
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 5: happy with how that game knowes. I mean, I thought

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 5: that that was their worst game in a vacuum too. Well.

527
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Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing about this with the Browns offensive

528
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: line is that even when when they get there, guys

529
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 2: were at the height of their powers and they were

530
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: at their best, they were a better run blocking than

531
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: pass blocking team.

532
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Speaker 5: And that was the identity, Yeah, and it was a

533
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 5: good identity.

534
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: Now that they all of a sudden they don't run

535
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: block all that well or do it often, and they

536
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: don't get to do it very often, right, right, And

537
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: the Conklin's of the world who played really well in

538
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: the Steeler game.

539
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 5: He's always been more of a run blocker, rugged, big

540
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 5: ten type of dude. You know, their guards or bigger

541
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 5: bodied master face guys in their primes, you know, and

542
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 5: they're both. All those guys are a little past that.

543
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 5: Even Postik the center is a six ' five center.

544
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 5: I mean, he's kind of an odd shaped center, you know.

545
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 5: And left tackle is a problem at the moment, you know.

546
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know we'll see. I guarantee that Mike

547
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 2: Tomlin has been picking at that scab. Oh man, Oh,

548
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: you guys only had one tackle for a loss. You

549
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: only sacked Winston one time in a game.

550
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Speaker 5: Were you happy with how you played in Cleveland? Yeah? Yeah,

551
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: past coach in the Hall or TJ or Benton or whoever,

552
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 5: and they had how do you think you play in Cleveland?

553
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 5: Is Miles Garrett? Is he the number one edge rusher

554
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: in the league. He had three sacks? He played us? Yeah,

555
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 5: you can't better catch that, you know, right, Well, I

556
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 5: bet he's been on that heavy, heavy, heavy, and it

557
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 5: showed in Cincy. But I think they're not forgetting how

558
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 5: they played it in Cleveland either. No, I don't I

559
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: don't think so now they're healthier, there could be Yeah,

560
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 5: they having those four edge rushers. How much confidence do

561
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 5: you think it gives the defense to see the offense

562
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 5: go out there and put up forty four points, especially

563
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: considering what they've had to deal with year after year. Yeah,

564
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: I mean the Dante Jackson's, the Elliotts, the Queens that

565
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 5: are new didn't suffer through that. I mean, I can't

566
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: imagine how stressful that was, thinking, Man, if we give

567
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 5: up points here, we give up a touchdown, it might

568
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: be too much. Yeah, Or if we can't get two

569
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 5: turnovers this game. I mean, it's just so much pressure

570
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 5: on you. It's so little room for air as a defense,

571
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 5: and they were often up to the challenge. I mean,

572
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 5: I mean imagine if they would had the leeway that

573
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 5: this this guys have now, which is what we're seeing. Yeah,

574
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 5: but no, I think it's a wonderful feeling, you know,

575
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: like even going against me in practice, they're better than

576
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: they used to be, you know what I mean? Players,

577
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 5: no players.

578
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we saw that kind of manifest itself in

579
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: training camp. Yeah, when the offense continually they kept winning

580
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: seven shots.

581
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 5: There was a pretty good stretch where they didn't.

582
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: And there was yeah, and there was you know every

583
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: you know that in previous camps, you know, the offense

584
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: winning seven shots was like, oh, the offense won seven

585
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: shots today.

586
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't even bring it up.

587
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: But right now it's like, yeah, this year was.

588
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 5: Back and forth. Yeah, no, I think so, and especially

589
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 5: because the quarterback. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of

590
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: reasons why the offense is better. But I'm sure that

591
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: the defensive players that have been around the block, some

592
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 5: of them I'm sure played against Wilson when he was

593
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 5: in Seattle or whatever too. Just know that this thing's

594
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 5: not over yet. Okay, hypothetical Dante Jackson misses a coverage

595
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 5: and the guy runs past him because he thought it

596
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: was cover two and it was cover three or whatever.

597
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 5: All right, I'm mad at myself. That was terrible. Or

598
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 5: Porter takes a penalty, Oh, that's terrible. But Russell bailed

599
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 5: me out. Yeah, I mean that's what they always talk

600
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 5: about with Ben or you know, Mahomes. Obviously I can

601
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 5: afford to play a little looser because my quarterback will

602
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 5: bail me out, or Mink is behind me. You know,

603
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, great players.

604
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: Do that to that point. So if you if you

605
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: took Wilson's numbers at this point and extrapolated them out

606
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: over the course.

607
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 5: Of a season. Okay, if it was a seventeen game, he.

608
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: Goes out to like forty seven hundred yards, they have

609
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: to be extreme. Forty seven hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns,

610
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: nine interceptions.

611
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 5: Twenty eight to ten, okay, or twenty eight to nineties twenty.

612
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: Eight to nine.

613
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's twenty seven hundred yards. I'd say

614
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 5: the yardage just really stands out. Yeah, I'm so much

615
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 5: different than it's Ben, and they're just attacking all areas

616
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 5: of the field. I keep harping on getting me out

617
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: of the bad plays, stuff like that that only show

618
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 5: up in the statuet, Like we have this run called,

619
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 5: but it's running and right in the teeth of the defense.

620
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 5: Let's get something else.

621
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: I thought he did more of that against the Bengals

622
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: than I've seen.

623
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 5: Him do, but I thought by far. Yeah, I mean, like,

624
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 5: now it's my team. I'm really settling in. If you're

625
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 5: gonna keep giving us that middle of the field, I'm

626
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 5: gonna send a running back in there and dump it

627
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: to him and we're gonna get ten yards every time.

628
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of that's Wilson

629
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 5: changing things to the line of scrimmage.

630
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: And I just wonder in cases like that. I mean,

631
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: Louis and Aruma has been around for a while. I

632
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: don't know that they They give you a lot of

633
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: different looks, but I don't know that they're real. I

634
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: don't know that they're real deceptive of about what they do.

635
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the other thing is I kind of defend

636
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: a Rumo a little bit just because the.

637
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Talent they know, the Jimmy's and Joe's.

638
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 5: But like we were texting as usual, you know Brown's broncos.

639
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 5: You know, like without a second corner, even if I

640
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: have Mel Blunt over there, I have certained over there,

641
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 5: throw away from it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, like he

642
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 5: didn't do anything when Certain was on him and Certain

643
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: was on him. You know, people were complaining, well, why

644
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: woun't you put their best corner on Judy's lighting up?

645
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 5: I saw today he played like sixty three percent of

646
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 5: his snaps against Judy and Judy, but the other no

647
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 5: catches when the thirty other seven percent is when he

648
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: lit the world on fire.

649
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: So that's why in Djoku had seventeen turns out.

650
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 5: You'd only cover one guy. And you think Winston knew that.

651
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 5: Of course Winston knew that, you know, like.

652
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: There's a reason why you know Levi Wallace led the

653
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: Broncos and tackles in that game exactly exactly, Like, wasn't

654
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: it because he was playing the run well right?

655
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 5: And I'm sure going back to Steelers Bengals, Wilson's like

656
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: nonverbal communication with their defensive coordinator that I know you

657
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 5: don't have any cards in your hands. You know you can.

658
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Speaker 5: You can bluff me all you want with that poker hand,

659
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: but I know you don't got it, dude. You know

660
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 5: I'm pushing all my chips in because it just I

661
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: know you don't have the card.

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Speaker 3: Well.

663
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Speaker 2: And for example, like the Bengals love to play a

664
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: five man defensive line with five defensive line, true defensive line.

665
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 5: Game actually on the field.

666
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, in years past, the Steelers would have continued to

667
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: try to run into that. This time they didn't.

668
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: I think it was like six snaps with the with

669
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Speaker 5: the five down defensive linemen, and the.

670
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: Steelers just threw the ball. Okay, you got five linemen

671
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: in the in the game, We're gonna throw it.

672
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Speaker 5: And their defensive backs used to be better to get

673
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 5: away with that stuff. Of course, And again, I know

674
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 5: you don't have the cards because you can't double George

675
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 5: if you do that, and then I'm going over the

676
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: top to them. Or I know, Van Jefferson's got a

677
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 5: great matchup, or there's be holes and zones or I mean,

678
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: it's just when you don't at the Jimmies and Joe's,

679
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't really care. Yeah, don't matter quite

680
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 5: as much now there's always somewhere to go with the ball.

681
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the case on the Monday night

682
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: for the Browns. I don't think it'll be the case

683
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: against the Steelers on some.

684
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: No, because now you got guys like Dante Jackson, you know,

685
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 5: are right, you know, I mean, if you're not playing

686
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: with the wallas Is of the world, and your pass

687
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: rush is as fierce as ever, and you wonder, I'm

688
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: sure I could find these numbers somewhere, But I wonder

689
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 5: what defenses on average see the fewest receivers out in routes,

690
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 5: you know, like who sees the most max protect who

691
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: sees the most six man protections. I'm sure the Steelers

692
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: are at the top of the lip have to be

693
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: because they often are going against six, they're often going

694
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 5: against seven, and they don't blitz a ton. So I mean,

695
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: that's seven on four fight, you know what I mean?

696
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 5: Why are the Steelers getting a ton of sacks? Well,

697
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 5: if I can eat up seven blockers with four, good

698
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 5: things are gonna happen in the back end too, because

699
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 5: it's not like they're gonna stym me them. Still. Yeah,

700
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 5: to that point, if you if you look at the

701
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 5: first meeting between these two teams, Winston only attempted twenty

702
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: seven passes and Steelers actually dominated the time of possession

703
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 5: in that game. There were a lot of a lot

704
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: more plays, a lot more plays. And it's not just

705
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 5: because the snow. Yeah, you know, but the one thing

706
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: that Cleveland did was one field position, big time. Yeah,

707
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: you're right, in a big way, big way.

708
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: Some of that was on Tomlin for going forward on

709
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: fourth downs, attempting a fifty eight yard field goal and

710
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: things of that nature. That's why the bad punt, oh yeah,

711
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: that was a killer too.

712
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: But win too many short fields, a lot of negative

713
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: plays when you snapped the ball on offense, those tackle

714
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 5: for losses, and the defense had to deal with way

715
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: too many short fields.

716
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: Winston in that game was eighteen for twenty seven for

717
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: two hundred and nineteen yards. He had an interception. He

718
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: was only sacked once. If you look at his starts

719
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: this season, his first start came against Baltimore. They won

720
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: that one twenty nine to twenty four. He was twenty

721
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Speaker 2: seven of forty one for three thirty four and three touchdowns,

722
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Speaker 2: no interceptions. The following week against the Chargers twenty.

723
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Speaker 5: He did throw a few to the races, at least

724
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: three that should have been accepted the Chargers, he was

725
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: twenty six of forty six for two hundred and thirty

726
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 5: five yards, one touchdown, three interceptions the defensive Yeah.

727
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: The week after that against New Orleans, he was thirty

728
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: of forty six for three to ninety five and two touchdowns,

729
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: no interceptions, but they lost thirty five to fourteen.

730
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a weird game, Like he didn't even

731
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 5: play all that bad, but dried up in the red zone.

732
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 5: A lot of weird stuff happened in that game too,

733
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: and then you got beat pretty bad.

734
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Yeah. Fifty eight pass attempts last week

735
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: against Denver four hundred and ninety seven yards, four touchdowns

736
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: into three interceptions. They're going to put it in the air.

737
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 5: To put in the air, so it we'll just use

738
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Speaker 5: last week's numbers. I mean, if he throws the ball

739
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Speaker 5: fifty eight times or if he drops back fifty eight times,

740
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 5: six of them are going to be bad plays at least,

741
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I'm trying to be conservative.

742
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: I'm not even talking not even on him with bad decisions.

743
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: I'm talking about sacks, batted balls, a false start, I mean,

744
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: a botch snap, a hold. I mean, probably more like

745
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 5: twelve bad plays if you have on fifty eight dropbacks.

746
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not even talking about throwaways or incompletions.

747
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 5: I'm not saying all the other ones are going to

748
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 5: be complete for big yardage. But tip balls, interceptions, strip, sacks,

749
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: you know, penalties, negative stuff. They didn't get much of

750
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 5: that last time. I mean, again, the defense didn't create

751
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 5: enough negatives. They didn't and they I mean they didn't

752
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 5: have a ton of opportunities. Again, he only attempted twenty

753
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: seven passes.

754
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: If you look at that game against the Chargers, the

755
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: three interceptions, six sacks in that game. Yeah, rough Denver

756
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: on Monday Night, three interceptions, three sacks in that game.

757
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: Like the more he drops back, the worse it's going

758
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: to be.

759
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 5: For Cleveland under and you can blame I've been harping

760
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: all week that you really need to look at this

761
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: team from when he started, you know, versus the Watson era.

762
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: But still they're like the most sacked team in the

763
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: league too. And that's not all Watson's fault either, No,

764
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: I mean he was pretty quick to get out of

765
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: ball in his hands and not drive it down the field.

766
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 5: I mean like they give up a lot of pressure. Yeah,

767
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 5: they do, And so that was to me the most

768
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: shocking part about Thursday was I thought the D line

769
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: and the second half had got newter because of the snow.

770
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 5: But I thought the D line would really create pressure

771
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 5: and havoc and I'll be shocked if they don't. Yeah.

772
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: I think the over under this week for sacks is

773
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Speaker 2: i'msa set it at five.

774
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 5: I like it. Yeah, I think that's about right.

775
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: Yeah at home, Yeah, the home crowd.

776
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: Hopefully playing with the lead lad and the Dallas flying

777
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: and renegade and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: All that good stuff. Let's get to another break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt

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Speaker 2: and I'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

783
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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

784
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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

785
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Guy and Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

786
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt. We haven't looked at the quarterbacks index yere.

787
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: No, I think we referenced it Monday or Tuesday or

788
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: whatever again. Yeah, yeah, there's been some new names.

789
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are our Nick Schuk's on.

790
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 5: Nfour Winston falls. He's an interesting he's an interesting one.

791
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 5: You can see there's two sides of coins with them.

792
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, So at thirty two is Drew Locke. Fine, yeah,

793
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: it's kind of who he is. Yeah, how about this

794
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: one at thirty one down twelve spots, Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins.

795
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's there. I mean he looks terrible.

796
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: He's a league and with thirteen interception passes.

797
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 5: I know, and they're bad ones, Like, what are you

798
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 5: thinking on that one? They got no juice?

799
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: I'll say this. Winston has seven in five games.

800
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: No, he's got a nice pace going.

801
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if he had played the same twelve games

802
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: the Cousins has at this point, Thamas, Winston's your interception, and.

803
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: If the Ravens could catch a few of them and

804
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: he could be up to ten. Yeah, without a doubt,

805
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 5: be very honest. I mean, if Cousins doesn't take a

806
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: noticeable step forward this week, I think you go with Pennix.

807
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: Because here's the other thing about Cousins. He has for

808
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: the season zero rushing yards.

809
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 5: Oh, he doesn't do anything none, Right, you've played twelve

810
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: games and you haven't like even gone, I'm gonna run

811
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 5: past the long the sea's part and you just slide

812
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: for five yards or first down.

813
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 2: You don't even do that anymore.

814
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: Like a lot of team, a lot of people gave

815
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 5: the Steelers a hard time, like, oh, he's a shell

816
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 5: of himself in week one. No, that's who he is,

817
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 5: and he doesn't look any different all year.

818
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: Thirteen interceptions and twelve fumbles in twelve that.

819
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 5: Many fumbles too, at twenty five turnovers twenty five turnover

820
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 5: or turnover worthy plays in twelve games. Wow, okay, he

821
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 5: should be at the ball.

822
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: He doesn't elevate you enough to do that.

823
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 5: No, and he's expensive, and he's old, and you got

824
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 5: a first round guy sitting there. I mean, this is.

825
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: All you need to know, because at thirty ahead of

826
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: him is Cooper Rush.

827
00:36:55,640 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 5: Wow. I'd still probably rather play against Rush, but that's

828
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: about where he's at. Yeah, I'm not sure Cousins will

829
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 5: be an opening day starter next year.

830
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: He might be shot. Yeah, I mean I remember when

831
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: when this when he signed with Atlanta and the Steelers

832
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 2: signed Russell Wilson. People, oh they get the wrong old quarter.

833
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, right right. I don't think so close. He has

834
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: all that guaranteed money too. I mean, he just right

835
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 5: off in the sunset and be done at twenty nine

836
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 5: down eight spots. Anthony Richardson I have mixed feelings though,

837
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 5: I mean, I still think he's hard to play against. Yeah,

838
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: I'm sure the completion percentage is really.

839
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Forty seven point four. Yeah, it's still not. It hasn't

840
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: gotten any better.

841
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: No.

842
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 5: He also has nine interceptions in nine fumbles in nine games. Now,

843
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 5: say the turnovers aren't great either, Yeah, and he doesn't

844
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 5: he doesn't do enough to elevate you to overcome that. No,

845
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: I'm actually shocked at the turnovers are that high because

846
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: I do know his turnover worthy rate is actually quite good,

847
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: especially for a young quarterback, and he's extremely hard to sack,

848
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 5: as you would imagine. Yeah, this is part of the

849
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 5: problem when you just heaving the ball down the field. Say,

850
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 5: there's a lot of chucking in, right, Yeah.

851
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty eight, down five spots.

852
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, he's starting to kind of cousin it, you know,

853
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 5: like does it look at it?

854
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: And I'm glad we haven't looked at these in a

855
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Yeah, because there's been some actual corrections

856
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: here of stuff that we were talking about earlier this season,

857
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: like that's this is where he's playing at.

858
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: And what's kind of fun Compared to recent years at

859
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 5: this time of year, there's been a lot of the

860
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 5: vetos and locks and stuff this time of year where

861
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: the first five we talked about it like whatever, they're

862
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 5: all terrible, you know, but now these are a future

863
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 5: Hall of Famer, you know. Kirk Cousins is a legit dude.

864
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: One guy's a top five pick, you know what I mean. Like,

865
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 5: these are the guys that everyone the teams are hooked to.

866
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: At twenty seven, Trevor Lawrence, we won't see him the

867
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: rest of them.

868
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 5: He's done.

869
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: Was not a good year for him.

870
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: It was a terrible year for him, it really was.

871
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: And I still have faith, but I've lost a lot

872
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: of faith at twenty six, Aiden O'Connell, he should be lower.

873
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: I mean he's at twenty six and there's not much

874
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 5: lower than yeah, I mean, just compared to Rogers or Lowrence.

875
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 5: But that's the Yeah, I know, I see what they're

876
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: going here. And m'connald's played okay this last go round.

877
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: In five games, he's got four touchdown passes, two interceptions,

878
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: and one fumble. He's got seven hundred and ninety five

879
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: yards in some of those games. I mean he's only

880
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: started like two games.

881
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 5: I know, I know, and recently he's been his best.

882
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: Hasn't been has been awful? No, he has not been awful.

883
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 5: I think he last in the league is a long

884
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 5: time back up at twenty five, up three spots. Will

885
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 5: Levis E's a little better too. I mean, uh, hi,

886
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: I forgot who was was? I don't even know who

887
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 5: to quote, but they say Levis is Jameis Winston. He's

888
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: got a lot that too, you know.

889
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, at twenty four, holding steady is Drake.

890
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: May Okay, I really like the player and the talent,

891
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 5: but there's variance there too, and he has nothing around him.

892
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: At twenty three down eleven spots CJ. Stroud, he looks

893
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 5: like he doesn't trust his line, and the real tape

894
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 5: nerds are really hard on that offensive coordinator everyone thought

895
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 5: was future head coach.

896
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a head coach. Got the great job

897
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: he's doing there.

898
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 5: Some of the guys I really trusted study all the

899
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: tape described it like, yeah, he's doing the Shanahan West

900
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 5: Coast stuff, but it's the nineteen eighty five version.

901
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: You know there, everybody knows.

902
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: How to everyone knows how to play against, and especially

903
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 5: the protections, Like everyone just rips on the line, but

904
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: their protections, I guess are very outdated. And young quarterback

905
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 5: just not trusting the guys in front of you. You're

906
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 5: going to suffer.

907
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 2: Twenty two up five spots, Bryce Young Good.

908
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 5: He's trending right direction. Yeah, he's played much better. He's

909
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 5: only lot he's only had one fumble. I say, protecting

910
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 5: the football was making some throws. I mean they're not

911
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: all easy throw dump off stuff either, considering it's a

912
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 5: weak draft. He would be my starter next year. Yeah,

913
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, like and try to build

914
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: something around that. Yeah, you know, let's use our resources

915
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 5: somewhere else.

916
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Let's go get a defensive stud you know.

917
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 5: And maybe you have a brisset or adult and runs

918
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: back or some adult in the room behind him. You know.

919
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: At twenty one, down three spots, Derek Carr.

920
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: He's always in that neighborhood. Obviously his brother did not

921
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: do these rankings, so I'm gonna say this wrong, but

922
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 5: it's really close. It's hard to stay the starter and

923
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 5: lose a lot of games. So his older brother, through

924
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 5: the first four years of his career, had the most

925
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 5: losses of any quarterback because you know, he's on expansion team.

926
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: That makes sense. But if you look at quarterbacks who

927
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 5: had the most losses through the first five years of

928
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 5: his career, six years of his career, seven years of

929
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 5: his career, eight years of his career is all car

930
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 5: this one, the car the Car family. The Car family

931
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 5: has a lot of losses. Yeah, which is kind of

932
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 5: like crash Davis, Like, you're the most homers in the

933
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: minor leagues. I mean, you're good enough to start, but

934
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 5: then you lose a lot. Yeah, you know, you can't

935
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 5: go to the show.

936
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: At twenty up five spots, Jamis Winston.

937
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 5: Okay, I think he's ahead of that. All the crew

938
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 5: we've mentioned.

939
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: It's a roller coaster, it is.

940
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: It is.

941
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: At nineteen up three spots Bo Nicks. M. Now, remember

942
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: when we did this a few weeks ago. This was

943
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 2: the area that Russell Wilson was in.

944
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's I assume he's well past. We're not

945
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: gonna talk about him for a couple of minutes.

946
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: At eighteen down ten spots Rock Purty. Yeah, Suddenly, when

947
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't have all the stars around him exactly.

948
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 5: He looks like exactly what I've always said he was.

949
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: He's a game manager, and he can't manage the game

950
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: unless he has all the best toys.

951
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he's definitely one of the best thirty two.

952
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 5: He's going to be a starter. Boy, is that a

953
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 5: tough contract to talk about though? Yeah, you know, I

954
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 5: mean I've heard some people say, try to trade him,

955
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: bring Kirk Cousins back with Shanahan, Jimmy Garoppolo, bring Darnold back.

956
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: He's more of a playmaker than Jimmy, though, Jimmy, I'll

957
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 5: give you the numbers.

958
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but he's got eight interceptions and seven fumbles

959
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: in eleven games, and he doesn't He's only thrown thirteen

960
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: touchdown passes.

961
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 5: Doesn't have the best supporting cast in the league. Yeah,

962
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: you know.

963
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: At seventeen down four spots, Jalen Hurts, he doesn't.

964
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: Get asked to do much. Yeah. I mean they run thirteen.

965
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: Touchdown pasters in twelve games. Yeah, I mean, nobody runs

966
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: the ball more in the second half of games than

967
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: these guys.

968
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: Close they got a lead if they get fun to

969
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 5: play against. No, but they get in a drop back

970
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: passing game against the Lions in the NFC Championship or

971
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 5: the Steelers or who knows, you know, Yeah, that's that

972
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 5: does It's where he doesn't thrive At sixteen up ten spots,

973
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, I would put Hurts over Williams.

974
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would too.

975
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Williams is a little bit high there. Yeah.

976
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: At fifteen down a spot. Gino Smith, he's had a

977
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: rough go of things. He had a lot of passing

978
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: yards early on. He's still in twelve games as thirteen

979
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: touchdown passes and twelve interceptions with six fumbles.

980
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: They're throwing too much. Yeah, it's not you don't want him, No,

981
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: you want to put it all on his No.

982
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: No.

983
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 5: At fourteen up three spots.

984
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: To a Tago Vi Looa.

985
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 5: Yes. I mean people say a system quarterback, and I'm

986
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 5: not talking about purty as much is a bad thing.

987
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 3: Not really.

988
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 5: He's really good at the system right.

989
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: Right.

990
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: He's completing seventy four point five percent of his passes

991
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: this season, which will be an NFL record.

992
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 5: I mean Joe Montana was a system quarterback. Yeah, I

993
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: mean if they asked Joe Montana to do Dan Marino

994
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 5: sling it all over, not gonna worry it, we wouldn't

995
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 5: be a Hall of Famer, right Yeah.

996
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: At thirteen down two spots, Matthew Stafford, I think he's

997
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: starting to feel.

998
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 5: The the age a little bit, a little bit. Yeah,

999
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 5: at twelve down five spots Kyler Murray. There's some inconsistencies

1000
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 5: there too.

1001
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, one week's great, the next week not so much.

1002
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 5: Right, And it's been an up and down season.

1003
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 2: He's got thirteen touchdown passes in twelve games.

1004
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 5: I would say I love them Going into like the

1005
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 5: fantasy season, I'm like, oh, he's waited, not been good.

1006
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 5: If I would have got him at his price, you

1007
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: would have lost out. Yeah, his numbers aren't great at eleven.

1008
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: Down two spots, Baker Mayfields.

1009
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 5: He played poorly the last couple of weeks. I mean

1010
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 5: he's had a good year.

1011
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: He does have eleven interceptions at eleven fun he's all

1012
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: little too. I mean that's that's twenty two turnover worthy

1013
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: plays in twelve games.

1014
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: Oh he has some Winston DNA. Yeah, two and it's

1015
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 5: not far of good stuff, you know, but he's a

1016
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 5: good player.

1017
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: Good year at ten up six spots. I definitely have

1018
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 2: this guy behind Baker. Sam Darnold.

1019
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: I'll just say, is Donald coming up soon? Because he

1020
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 5: does a couple of bone headed things.

1021
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: There's some vulatility there too.

1022
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: Yeah. Been a good year though. I mean I bet

1023
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 5: he makes a lot of money. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah

1024
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: give him at nine up a spot. Jade and Daniels, Mm,

1025
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: the guys he's we've just mentioned having blown my doors

1026
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 5: off lately. Daniels looks back to being really hard to

1027
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 5: play again.

1028
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: He's up almost six hundred rushing yards. Yeah, I thought

1029
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,959
Speaker 2: again that was a thousand, and he does broken ribs

1030
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: and stuff too.

1031
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: There was about a month there where he wasn't quite

1032
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 5: himself at eight down four spots. Justin Herbert, I don't

1033
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 5: agree with that. He would be much higher for me.

1034
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 5: They had a down week. I've had a couple of like, yeah,

1035
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 5: they're not running, he's not throwing a ton of touchdown passes.

1036
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: Now you really have anybody to throw to on that

1037
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 5: he doesn't. But I mean, I don't mind dropping him

1038
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 5: a little, but that seems a little.

1039
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Harsh at seven up thirteen spots. So he was at

1040
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 2: twenty going into last week. Russ Russell Wilson.

1041
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: I love it. I mean, pretty commanding effort there. Yeah,

1042
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 5: I don't think that's crazy. I mean he would definitely

1043
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 5: be my top ten.

1044
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: He's in the top ten. Seven might be a bit rich,

1045
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: but right I'd have Herbert ahead of a seven is

1046
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: pretty damn good. Yeah, if you had told if you'd

1047
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: told us at the beginning of the year, Russell Wilson

1048
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: would be playing like the seventh best quarterback in December fifth,

1049
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: you would absolutely have taken that.

1050
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd be like, oh, hes are winning the division

1051
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 5: and they're going to the playoffs and they're Super Bowl contender.

1052
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: All the stuff that we've kind of been saying here

1053
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: last month or so at six up nine spots to

1054
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: see him play to night Georgie Love.

1055
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: He's been a little rough lately too, by the way,

1056
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: I mean, he stopped throwing the interceptions as much. Yeah,

1057
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 5: but I heard on the way here his receivers have

1058
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 5: the most drops in the league.

1059
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: That stuff doesn't help.

1060
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 5: Doesn't help, But I thought he'd be a little further along.

1061
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: At five holding steady Patrick Mahomes.

1062
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean we can't be one, but he is one.

1063
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: At four up two spots, Jared Goff.

1064
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got no problem with that. I would just say,

1065
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: who would you have? His number one? In the end.

1066
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: Goff has still not thrown an interception this season against

1067
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: Manda man coverage.

1068
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 5: Really wow, Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

1069
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: Play man against them at your own risk. At three

1070
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: down a spot, Joe Burrow.

1071
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 5: Guys ahead of them are really good, but yeah, they

1072
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 5: were splitting hairs here.

1073
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: And then two is Lamar Jackson down a spot and

1074
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: Allen is number one.

1075
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 5: I think i'd go Alan Burrow Lamar.

1076
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: I couldn't argue that.

1077
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean those top three are pretty firm.

1078
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Lamar beat Burrow had to head twice.

1079
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it gets no help. I know, I mean

1080
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 5: there's not no help, but he has no help on

1081
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 5: the defense, right right right. I mean I thought he

1082
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 5: played awesome against the Steelers, but that doesn't equal win.

1083
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: There were three big mistakes.

1084
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so no, I think those were good.

1085
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1086
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 5: I didn't much arguments with those at all.

1087
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson number seven. Yeah, if only we'd heard some

1088
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: people banging the drum for Russell Wilson this year.

1089
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: What do we know?

1090
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: That's from Nick Shook on NFL dot com.

1091
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 5: That's not our rankings, that is, yeah, yeah, why we

1092
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 5: fight him a little bit. Yeah, but no, I thought

1093
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 5: they were good this week.

1094
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad and again banging some of those guys,

1095
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: some of those old aging veterans that it was good

1096
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: to see Cousins.

1097
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 5: Where he belongs and Rogers at low and it's what

1098
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 5: they've been. Yeah. If you're the Jets and Falcons and

1099
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 5: you're not happy, no, I mean those are pretty big investments.

1100
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 5: I mean one of them cost me draft picks, a

1101
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 5: lot of them. Thing Atlanta got crushed for drafting Penix.

1102
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 5: I know looks pretty good right now, it might not be.

1103
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 5: I haven't looked as much into this year's quarterback crop.

1104
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 5: It looks pretty bad.

1105
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 2: It looks at Penix might have been the number one

1106
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: guy coming out this year. I know the conversation.

1107
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 5: I think this class, this rookie class, is going to

1108
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 5: go down like the Borough to Herbert Hertz Love class.

1109
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 5: It doesn't look like many misses. I mean, we don't

1110
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 5: know about McCarthy or Penix yet, but if they even

1111
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 5: if they both bust, you probably have four good ones. Yeah. Absolutely,

1112
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 5: pretty good group.

1113
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get through a break. That's going to do

1114
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Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back

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Speaker 2: with our number two right after this