1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: He could talk. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: He was shaken and he couldn't like teach and I 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: don't know what he said, but he says something that 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, this man's done. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 3: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. This 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: is part two of our conversation with Kevin Concrete Davis, 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 3: former Shaquaina member and dancer with Seven M Films. In 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: our last episode, we talked about Kevin's roots in the 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 3: Crump community and how he first got connected with the 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 3: church through his fellow dancers. He shared how he was 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: looking to grow closer to God and saw an opportunity 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: to not only strengthen his faith, but also boost his 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: career as a dancer and influencer. However, he'd noticed things 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: that rubbed him the wrong way and thus planted the 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: seeds for wanting to leave Shicaina and Seven M Films. 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: On this episode, we dive deeper into Kevin's challenges with 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 4: Shakaina and seven M Films, the key moments and conversations 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: he had that illuminated what needed to be done in 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: the fallout from our decision to leave, forge our own 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 4: path forward and now here's part two of our conversation 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 4: with my husband Kevin. 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, I'm really protective of my wife, so I'm location. 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: I'm like, man, you know, if something happened, I am jetting. 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 4: You know. 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: Even there's times where I'll go to this little coffee 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: shop and because she would work at the house by herself, 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: but I'll be lurking like I had to, especially at 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: that time where the allegations was coming out, and I 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: was like, Okay, you know, if she going to that house, 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be close by. 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 3: So you were seeing these allegations coming out on social media, 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: the pulpit call out already happened. So your blood's already boiling. 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: You're already on alert at this point. What was that 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: moment for you that was done? Ooh, I'm out of here. 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: There was many moments I just didn't know when to 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: say anything because I knew how vibrant relationships were with 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: the pastor so some people that I was even closer to, 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: I couldn't say anything yet. But there's one specific time 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: where a couple of us I'm gonna just say me 40 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: and Aubrey out of respect, we found out together we 41 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: all had the same type of like feeling or experience, 42 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: and we were heading to a music video and we were. 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, this is a cult. 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, which leads me to the moment. I'm the one 45 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: that brought it up. I said, Hey, wasn't the pastor 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: like tripping the other day? He couldn't talk, he was 47 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: shaking and he couldn't like teach, and I don't know 48 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: what he said, but he said something that was like, oh, yeah, 49 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: this man's done. I've never seen a man crumble like that. 50 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: And it was that was from Crystal Ball. She was 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: just delivering blows to that man and he was just crumbling. 52 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: He couldn't even teach the sermon. He couldn't do nothing. 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: And this by this time, Daniel was gone and. 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 4: He had just left. 55 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: He had just left. 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he had Crystal Ball and Daniel even he 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: didn't even have to like disrespect anybody for me to know, 58 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: oh that he's off, Which lead me to another part. 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: He talks about the allegations and he says, is some 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: of it true? Yes, and it's some of it not true? 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: Like I'm like, bro, what do you mean some of 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: it's true? 63 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: Bro? These are not allegations where you just cruise by. 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is not even the way 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: to respond. 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: And on top of all the things that he was 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 4: already doing, that was just that absolute tipping point. 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that right there. I said, okay, and then 69 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: you know the NDA and service. I said, now come on, now, 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: now you're just taking advantage, Like, bro, this does not 71 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: look good to the point where all the dancers were 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: even like an NDA in church, what are you talking about? 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: You know? 74 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: So I'm thinking we're all going to leave, But I 75 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: just felt sick because I knew it was true. I 76 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 2: was like, I don't think people gonna lie about that. 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: It just sucks seeing the faces on some of the 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: people that were like, you know, looking down, and I'm like, oh, yeah, 79 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: this ain't cool. 80 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 1: I can leave, but my homies are here. 81 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: And if beat Ash is cool, if he not budgeting, 82 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: that's fine. I'm not putting nothing on beat Ash. But 83 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 2: that was my trust valve right there. 84 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: Did you try to have a conversation with him? 85 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: Beat Ash wasn't the guy to talk to about that, 86 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: and I knew it. So I tried to talk to 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: the eyes you know, supposed to be my big brother 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 2: at the time, and he understood. But he made a 89 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: different choice. So I'm not judging him for that. Because 90 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 2: he has a certain perspective of life. He was brought 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: up a certain way and I was brought up a 92 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: certain way. 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 3: So just to lead all these questions, but. 94 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: You can ask me no. 95 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: After the doc came out, there was people that had responded. 96 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: We knew that we know, Miranda did a public video. 97 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: She was what I felt was like the spokesperson for 98 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: addressing a lot of the documentary and the issues, which 99 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: I have my own issues with that. There weren't other 100 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: people that stepped up, but one thing that was also 101 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: very public was Ko and Isa's response to not only 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: the documentary, but I think to those that participate in 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: the documentary, including yourselves. So outside of leaving, was there 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: a pretty big shift in your relationship when you left? 105 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: And then post documentary? 106 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: We left supposedly on good terms because the last people 107 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: I talked to was Eyes and beat Ash after deciding, hey, 108 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: me and Kal are going, I think everybody should leave 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: because this is a little past our jurisdiction. I'm talking 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: to everybody, all the guys at least, I don't think 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: the women were there. 112 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: But all the guy dancers. 113 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: At this time, I said, if people decide to stay, 114 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: my phone's still open. Let's still knock these videos out, 115 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: but we don't got to be here. 116 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: They could wake up and we can be. 117 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: Gone, and then, you know, Eyes and beat Ash tried 118 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: to get me to stay, but I don't want to 119 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: like judge them for that because they're taking it a 120 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: different way and I understand it to a certain point, 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: but for me, I'm just like, I just don't want 122 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: to be around it, you know what I mean. This 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: is all of our work. We're the ones sweating. All 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: we gotta do is wake up, do this without them 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: and gather people who are who would at least told 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: us in the beginning about some allegations, some real people, 127 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And I gave him a hug. 128 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: I was like, my phone is still open, bro, let's 129 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: still hang out or whatever. So I'm thinking everything is cool, 130 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: and then I'm blocked by tight eyes and I'm like, what, Bro, 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: I'm were we just had a great conversation, and. 132 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I know what that is. 133 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: But they're just going to have to find out in 134 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: the way they need to find out what's really going on. 135 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is hard because you guys both understand that 136 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: they are just doing what they think they're supposed to 137 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: be doing in order to have a better relationship with 138 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: not only God but also with Robert. So yeah, I 139 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: totally get where you guys are coming from. 140 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: It's heart. 141 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: It's hard to just have like a very direct answer 142 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 3: to something like that because you understand it's a trickle down. 143 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: And Khalia spoke publicly about it. When after the documentary 144 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: came out. I think a lot of people were trying 145 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: to go after James bea Dash and try to say 146 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 3: some shit about him, and I really appreciated that you came. Yeah, 147 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 3: you both were like, hang on, it's not him, He's 148 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: not the problem. Like this is a trickle down. There 149 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: is a puppet master, And so I really appreciated you 150 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: guys both being so open and vocal during that time, 151 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: which I know is hard because it's you're also talking 152 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: about friends. 153 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: That was a hard thing to do. It was just 154 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I was still lingering around. 155 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: These are people I grew with me and be Dash 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: got a whole brand, bro and that brand was swept 157 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: something that you know, I still believe could do something 158 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: and you know, like me and be Dash did something 159 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: that nobody has ever done before and crump. It was 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: supposed to be tight eyes and little see, but it 161 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: was me and be dash and for somebody to weed 162 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: into that and not see the future with that brand, 163 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: I think that's just unwise. Yeah, you know, but I 164 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 2: learned to move on and you know, just to continue 165 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: doing what I'm doing with the people that I love. 166 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: We'll be back with part two of our conversation with Kevin. 167 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: This is forgive me for I have followed. 168 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. Now 169 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 4: back to part two of our conversation with Kevin. So, 170 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: I know we were talking about like pivotal moments where 171 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: we realized that things were off in Chicaina. And I 172 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 4: think after some of the things that had built up 173 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: with how we were being treated, the things we were noticing, 174 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: recognizing some of the lies, and then the allegations had 175 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 4: started to come out. I know you spoke with Young 176 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: one of those days. Can you tell us about that conversation? 177 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a movie, bro, Just how that started. 178 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: I don't want people to feel like that was just 179 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: a random convo. 180 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 181 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: Me and Young developed a relationship just through working out 182 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: together doing jail workouts, because he was like man I'm 183 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: trying to lose some weight, bron. I see working out. Bro, 184 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: we should just go to some and just work out. 185 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 2: I'm like, for sure, let's do it. I don't got 186 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: to go to a gym and pay, you know. So 187 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: I never remembered the workout. It was always the conversation, 188 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And we kept talking and 189 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: we kept working out, and so all this bull crap 190 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: is happening, and young comes up to me this one day, 191 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: is super hot outside. 192 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I see his truck drive up. He pulls up. 193 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: And he says, hey, you know Kevi, Man, I talk 194 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: to you. I said yeah, And I was like, oh, 195 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: what's going on? Bro? And he was just like, man, 196 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: do you know what's going on? And I was like, no, man, Like, 197 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: nobody's answering nothing. So I'm out of here. 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: Bro. 199 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: Like it's is childish and I'm getting skeptical. Of course, 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: we've talked a little bit, which is kind of blur, 201 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: but the only thing that stood out that was clear 202 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: as day. He said, all right, I need you to 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: take this information. 204 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: You do whatever with it. If you're going to stay 205 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: here or continue to be here, protect your woman and 206 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: protect your heart. 207 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: I said, got you man, I went straight to Kalia, 208 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: we're getting apartment, we're leaving. That was it for me. 209 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: You know, Young didn't have to say that. That's the 210 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: type of people I'm used to being around, the type 211 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: of people I grew up with in Sacramento. 212 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 213 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: Hey, Bro, I'm gonna tell you the real bro. Don't 214 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: mess with that girl. Bro like just information like that 215 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: or bro to ado. Don't play for that basketball team, 216 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Just to be one hundred. 217 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 2: And when I get to just to be one hundred moment, 218 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm solid and Young gave me that moment. And I 219 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: hope he's good. I know he's good. He has he's 220 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: a weapon. Bro, he's so he's so dope, you know 221 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: what I mean. He deserves a lot. So whatever was 222 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: going on with Young, I hope he's good, even if 223 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: he's in there. 224 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, because it really does feel like he's turned his 225 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 4: life around, especially story, Yeah, his story, and like his background, 226 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 4: and you know, despite the things that we know now 227 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 4: about Chakaina and like some of the things that she 228 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 4: kinda has done for him, it really like he really 229 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 4: was not necessarily the little but he was like the groundskeeper. 230 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 4: He did the things around the house in his world, 231 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 4: like he gave his life over to God and is 232 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: working for a church and has left like whatever crime 233 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: life behind. 234 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: And it's doing everything at the church, cleaning it, fixing it. 235 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Bro, this is yours to be on. 236 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: I just I wish it was for a more upstanding group, 237 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 4: a more honest group. 238 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 2: I wish Daniel told him, And if he did, then 239 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 2: that's between y'all. But I wish Daniel would at least 240 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: explain to Young, because Young was fucked up. 241 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: From that Daniel. 242 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't even like Daniel at first, but he 243 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 2: grew to love him as a brother. 244 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 3: For those that don't know, Young is married to Shirley. 245 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: Surely for a short period of time. We know was 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: married to Robert. We don't know what the timeline was 247 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: with her and Young, but that there was a relationship 248 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: between Robert and Shirley, and so Young has been around 249 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: for years, Yau. 250 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 4: Shirley and Young had known each other in like high 251 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: school as kids, and then Shirley had gotten involved in 252 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 4: Chicaina also as like a young teen maybe seventeen, but 253 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: definitely like younger teenage years, and so her and Young 254 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: had a relationship like I think they weren't dating necessarily 255 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: back in the day, but they were, like you know, 256 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: I guess I don't know they were. They were friends, 257 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: they like maybe entertained the idea of dating. And then 258 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: that's when Young went to jail. And then so he 259 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: was in for a while but still kept in contact 260 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: with Shirley, and you know, through Shirley, I'm sure ch 261 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: Kina had their involvement, and then you know, getting out, 262 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 4: that was who was there to help him pick up 263 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 4: the pieces. And I think when he was in jail, 264 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 4: they had given him a Bible and that was you know, 265 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: that connection there. So when he got out, it was 266 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 4: somewhere to live, somewhere to work, and you know, something 267 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: to do and put his time into that wasn't crime related. 268 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 4: But something that we had figured out was like Young 269 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 4: didn't know about the relationship between Shirley and the pastor 270 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: until it came out, until we all found out together 271 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: through social media, through social media. 272 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: And that was before he told me all of that, 273 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: So I could see that's something that inspired him to 274 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: say some you know what I mean, He just let 275 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: me know people weren't brothers, So I'm knowing that and 276 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: then talking and tight eyes or then talking. You know, 277 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, dang, it took somebody who I didn't even 278 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: know him but a year to notice how much of 279 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: a fake you are behind people back. That was an 280 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: emotional roller coaster right there, man. And you know, leaving 281 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: from that, I put a lot on my shoulders from 282 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: that time. You don't hear a lot of people talk 283 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: about the especially you know, being a male figure. 284 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: Bro, I want to protect. 285 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: I could be territorial, but it's just offered protection in 286 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: my family and my you know, my wife, man, and 287 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: I felt guilty having her around that shit. 288 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Like, Bro, that's weird. Bro. 289 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: She could have been another woman and just been like, 290 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: I'm leaving all this. You brought me here, that's weird. 291 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: I've had encounters with this before. I don't want him anymore. 292 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I could have woke up, she could have 293 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: been gone. 294 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: And that's embarrassing to me to be one hundred like, 295 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: I may not know how her family look at me 296 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying so and that's just 297 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: me being to overthink her. But that guilt is gone 298 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: because her family's so cool. I love them dearly. 299 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: They're very supportive. 300 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: Will be back with part two of our conversation with Kevin. 301 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: This is forgive me for I have followed. 302 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 4: Welcome back to forgive me for I have followed. Now 303 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 4: the conclusion of our conversation with Kevin. 304 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: I appreciate the vulnerability and you openly talking about your 305 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: mental health during that time when you left Chicina and 306 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: throughout the process, we spoke a lot about how refreshing 307 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: it was to see a young man speak about his 308 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: mental health. It wasn't something that people were openly doing, and. 309 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 4: Especially a young black man at that, because that's something 310 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 4: within our community we don't see often and is very 311 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 4: like stigmatized. Even talking about some of the things that 312 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 4: we've had to go through since leaving Chakuina's like panic attacks, 313 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 4: which were new for you and for me too. I 314 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: think it was a moment where I had just like 315 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: we were doing research for your I was wrong. We 316 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 4: thought it was something physical, and then I think I 317 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 4: had that aha moment and I was like, I think 318 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 4: this is a panic attack or an anxiety attack. And 319 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 4: I remember we looked down the list. I was like, 320 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: this checks off these boxes. I'm pretty sure that's what 321 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: that was. 322 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: So that happened for the first time at that house 323 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: that we stayed in. 324 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, I haven't been first time. 325 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: And I called Daniel and I was like, man, I'm 326 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: never smoking again. I'm thinking it's the weed or something. 327 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, I'm never smoking again. I'm not doing it. 328 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: But I was like, I smoke now. I ain't trying 329 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: to expose myself, but I like to celebrate. 330 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: And I remember one my birthday in California, but this 331 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: is California, is legal. I bought it from a dispensary. 332 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: But I never had a panic attack. 333 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: And I've been faded to where the world looked digital, 334 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: but this one was different. 335 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: We was going to get some food. 336 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: I'm driving and this gospel song comes on Elevation Worship. 337 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: My chest start beating inward. I'm like, oh, I don't 338 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: know this. 339 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: Maybe you're gonna have to drive like I'm too high, 340 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I'm like, nah, this 341 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: ain't it. And it was lasting for a long time. 342 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: I had a little edible, but I said, nah, I've 343 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: had this same edible. This is why I get this 344 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: edible because it don't do nothing. It gets me to 345 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: the Snoop Dogg point. But I've never felt my chest 346 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: like I'm telling you, feel like it was beaten inward. 347 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: You know, I felt nervous. I'm thinking I'm blacking out, 348 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: and I just grabbed Kalia for hours. But it happened 349 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: in that time, going back to that house, the house 350 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: that you left, the house that we stayed in. Yeah, 351 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: and I know this was a time where I was 352 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 2: yelling at the top of my lungs about a lot 353 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: of stuff, and Kalia she was just letting me go 354 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 2: off because I come home with like these questions, are like, 355 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: what the hell is he talking about? So I'm yelling 356 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: and now I'm starting to see all that led up 357 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: to that to the point where I was like, dang, bro. 358 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: I developed freaking panic attacks here. 359 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: And I had one on tour and I knew it 360 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: because I wasn't smoking. I wasn't trying to smoke on tour, Like, 361 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: you know, you're focused. This is Beyonce here, Like I'm focused, 362 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 2: I'm on the bus. I'm like, you know, that's same feeling. 363 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, and I'm eating healthy, I'm ripped. 364 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: At the time, it was still happening. I had one 365 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: at our apartment in La twice there and a couple 366 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: of spiritual encounters. I've had a spiritual encounter in that 367 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: house with flies. The house was infested with flies. For me, 368 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: that's evil. I don't care what nobody say. 369 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm leaving like. 370 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: I do take spirituality serious, especially if it's stuff like that. 371 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: That's showing, Bro, I'm taking heat. 372 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: And it's crazy because I remember right before all of 373 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 4: the flies being It's like that fly infestation that was 374 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: in the house like a week before. Remember I had 375 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: that dream that we were making our bed and there 376 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 4: was like a bunch of maggots in the bed and 377 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: I was like shaking the maggots out, and then a 378 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 4: week later there's flies just. 379 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: All in there. There's no lies, Bro. 380 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: I believe in spiritual encounters, and I think that being 381 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: able to identify where those panic attacks were happening and 382 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: at that time in your life, and being able to 383 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: talk about it and to have such a strong partner 384 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 3: to help you through those things. It's refreshing to be 385 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: able to have a conversation like this openly. 386 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: Sure, it's an important time for me to let a 387 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: lot of stuff go. 388 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: That's why I like talking about it. 389 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: You know, it helps me And if it does help 390 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: somebody else, you know, that's even double. 391 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: So is there anything that you would want to say 392 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: to anyone that might find themselves in a similar situation, 393 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: someone that's feeling trapped in a toxic community or a 394 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 4: cult like environment like how we were in. 395 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: If they don't give you a choice, it's a manipulation, 396 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: simple as that. Ask questions like, Yo, what's you trying 397 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: to do if somebody wants to take you on a 398 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: day wing? 399 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: Okay, what's the plan? What's the game plan? You know 400 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: what I mean? Who are you? 401 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: Why you want to do what you do? I don't 402 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: care if they are offering five hundred g Yeah. And 403 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 2: for the record, if he was to hear this, bro, 404 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: if you would have told me in the beginning, hey, 405 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: look I do have some allegations, but I would still 406 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: love to help you guys in your journey. I'm handling 407 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: mine in a spiritual way. This, that, and the third 408 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: I would have respectfully declined. I would have been like, sir, 409 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: no disrespect. I hope your journey and healing with however 410 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: the church split, you know, God does wonders, But I'm 411 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: gonna have to decline because I just don't feel comfortable, 412 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, boom, But it didn't happen 413 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 2: that way. A lot of stuff was hidden and a 414 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: lot of conversation wasn't given as which was all I wanted, 415 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: and that was enough for me to be like deuces. 416 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 3: Kevin, thank you again so much for doing this. Thank 417 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 3: you for lending us your amazing wife who has just 418 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: been such a power house and using her voice for 419 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: good and continuing to do that. But both of you 420 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: being a part of the documentary, your vulnerability, taking care 421 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: of your health. I'm so happy to hear that you're 422 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: continuing to do that, and I appreciate both of your friendships. 423 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: And we're in it. 424 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: We're all in it together. We're family now, So being 425 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: in the clurb, we all fam. Clear in the blurb, 426 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 3: we all fam. 427 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, fail you. 428 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to part two of 429 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: our conversation with Kevin Concrete Davis. It was amazing having 430 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: him on the show, and we're so thankful for him 431 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 3: sharing his story and talking about his experience through everything 432 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: he went through in Chicina and seven M Films. 433 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 4: And it was really incredible to have him on this 434 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: show with me to talk about our experience. 435 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 3: And having my husbands bring her husband to workday. I 436 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 3: loved that, loved having you both here in person, so 437 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 3: refreshing and it was so great to see you guys. 438 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: So love peace and chicken grease Yeah. 439 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 4: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from 440 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 4: wv Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Michael Tore podcast Network, 441 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: hosted by me Khalia. 442 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: Gray and me Jess Coosovetto. 443 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is produced by Aaron 444 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 4: Burlson and Sophie Spencer Zabos. 445 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Khalia Gray, myself, Wilmar Balderama, Leo 446 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 3: Klam and Aaron Burlison at wv Sound. 447 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original 448 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy. 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