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Speaker 1: and Tory Holt were just on the show. Amazing interview.
Speaker 3: Give it a listen.
Speaker 1: Today's interview. I'm super super excited to have a duo.
Speaker 1: I think it's our first duo we've had on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Is really looking forward to it. We got my man,
Speaker 1: my partner in crime, Charles P. Nut Tilman as always,
Speaker 1: and today's guests. Let's go down the resume. All right,
Speaker 1: it's the Holt brothers, both of these guys attended NC
Speaker 1: State for I was a teammate with one of them,
Speaker 1: the brother Terrence hol who I'm not gonna read off
Speaker 1: his stats yet. I will go start with Tory Holt,
Speaker 1: the brother, the wide receiver. Four time Hall of Fame finalists,
Speaker 1: which means he's close. He's knocking on the door. Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion, seven time Pro bowler, two time All Pro,
Speaker 1: led the league in receptions twice in the NFL's two
Speaker 1: thousands All Decade Team.
Speaker 3: Congratulations, my boy, Terrence.
Speaker 1: Holt, my favorite hole because my team for a year
Speaker 1: came in taught me some ropes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: As an older guy, was always looking for that safety
Speaker 1: to look up to. He was a great blend, a
Speaker 1: great person. I get to bounce a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: ideas off love playing beside him. Hope was a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick in two thousand and three. Play six years
Speaker 1: and is and at the same time together as well
Speaker 1: during Tony So uh Toys Toys Time. So welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: Having us brothers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and like.
Speaker 1: I said earlier, Toy you should be used to this,
Speaker 1: all this coverage around, all these dvs around you in space,
Speaker 1: So feel comfortable sharing today.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
Speaker 4: Man, it's certainly a pleasure to be here for sure.
Speaker 4: When when when when making them reached out was like, yo,
Speaker 4: the podcast, it's happening at the draft, which I would
Speaker 4: be willing to join. I was like, can I bring
Speaker 4: my bro? It's like, yeah, so good to have my
Speaker 4: brother here? Is good to be able to be.
Speaker 1: Able to be man still looking out for your little brother.
Speaker 4: And that's what we do a lot together, man, a
Speaker 4: lot of that. It's started from how we was raised.
Speaker 4: You know, my mom and our dad was really big
Speaker 4: on us being together. We got an older sister, so
Speaker 4: you know, even though as guys, as boys, we competed
Speaker 4: up in the crib, but at the same day, at
Speaker 4: the same time, we had to come back, Yo, what's
Speaker 4: up man? Nice compete? You know, we still brothers. We
Speaker 4: still we still show up the age difference real quick.
Speaker 4: Four years and four years.
Speaker 1: Before now, let's let's address the elephant in the room,
Speaker 1: all right, So at what point does the younger brother
Speaker 1: get bigger than the older brother?
Speaker 3: And like, how did these things start to happening?
Speaker 1: Because I got all older brothers and I cannot I've
Speaker 1: never beat my older brother.
Speaker 2: It's like this block. Yeah it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit bigger than he is, but you're
Speaker 1: you're the youngest, right and the youngest, but you look
Speaker 1: the oldest.
Speaker 2: The youngest clarified.
Speaker 3: We got that clarit.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: I was I was always chasing my brother. I always
Speaker 4: wanted to be around my brother, and uh he oftentimes
Speaker 4: he in our neighborhood. He hung with the older kids
Speaker 4: as well. So the kids, the kids or guys that
Speaker 4: he was hanging with were always like four and five
Speaker 4: years older than him. So I'm four years behind him,
Speaker 4: So I'm hanging around guys that are eight years older
Speaker 4: than me. And when it comes to guys at that age,
Speaker 4: guys oftentimes at that age want to hang around girls
Speaker 4: and so but anyway, if my brother was in our
Speaker 4: neighborhood pitching horseshoes, playing football, I wanted to be there.
Speaker 4: So he was always had the burden of my presence
Speaker 4: and being around older girl, older guys and older girls,
Speaker 4: And I think that's for me playing with them.
Speaker 2: Him playing with.
Speaker 4: Older kids in the neighborhood helped develop his game physically
Speaker 4: and kind of understanding that at some point you're going
Speaker 4: to be playing this is your competition. So yeah, they're
Speaker 4: older than you now, but if you go to college,
Speaker 4: you go to pros, this is what you're going to
Speaker 4: be going against. And then for me that was just
Speaker 4: it was just normal, so playing up playing competition that
Speaker 4: were bigger, old, and more mature to you, and just
Speaker 4: always wanted to be in his shadow. That's kind of
Speaker 4: continued kind of to this day us being business par
Speaker 4: nurse and having the fortunate of both playing in the
Speaker 4: National Football League, which is you know, unique in itself
Speaker 4: to have brothers that have played.
Speaker 2: Even though we got a lot.
Speaker 4: Of brothers in the league that have played, statistically, it's
Speaker 4: not a lot of brothers that that have played in
Speaker 4: our league or made.
Speaker 2: It to the league.
Speaker 4: So anyway, it's just just a natural thing. He's doing something.
Speaker 4: He's been very very uh nice and uh and and
Speaker 4: I was always thought about me and invited me to
Speaker 4: it and uh and that's just how we do. It's
Speaker 4: from my mom and our dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me start this next question off. I'm
Speaker 2: across my legs.
Speaker 1: So we got, you know, right now where we get
Speaker 1: that growth sexy going on right now.
Speaker 2: So I think it's cool that you could, you know,
Speaker 2: you get.
Speaker 1: You have your brother to look up to, and then
Speaker 1: I know probably when you got to the league you
Speaker 1: had an idea of what to expect, right, and maybe
Speaker 1: you didn't just because you're the oldest and you're kind
Speaker 1: of setting the tone. What was your welcome to the
Speaker 1: NFL moment? And then I want to I want you
Speaker 1: to answer that question and were you prepared for it?
Speaker 1: And did you get that advice from that?
Speaker 4: I think for me it was when I was running
Speaker 4: out I think it was like zero forty eight and
Speaker 4: the defense was in zone and I sat, I chose
Speaker 4: to set down, which I did. What I was supposed
Speaker 4: to do is my responsibility, And I'm thinking it's.
Speaker 2: You know, you know how how in practice? You know
Speaker 2: they asked you how to tag off? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Nah, Charlie, Charlie Clemens, excuse me, crush me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was like, yo, welcome to the NFL, young boy.
Speaker 4: So for me physically, that was my welcome to the
Speaker 4: National Football League. Mentally was playing in the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: was my welcome to the National and that that was
Speaker 4: my rookie year. So that took me to a whole
Speaker 4: other level right from the gate. So my expectations were high, right,
Speaker 4: from the door. So those are my two welcome to
Speaker 4: the National Football League moments that stuck with me right
Speaker 4: And for me, I had the fortune of I think
Speaker 4: I earned the title for the Pros. And again it's
Speaker 4: I was very happy with being considered a pros pro.
Speaker 4: And that happened for me very early on because again
Speaker 4: I was used to being in the locker room. I
Speaker 4: carried myself in a certain kind of way where I was.
Speaker 4: I was a gym rat. I stayed right across the
Speaker 4: street from in Allen Park in Denborn. I was drafted
Speaker 4: by the Lions, and I was always I didn't have
Speaker 4: a family, so for me, I was always around and
Speaker 4: played with players like Robert Porchet and I remember, you know,
Speaker 4: being around them, and man, you walking around here like
Speaker 4: you a vet, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: ain't nobody pointing you or letting you having to tell
Speaker 4: you where to go? Well, I'm spending so much time
Speaker 4: in the building. I'm telling people that been here two
Speaker 4: three years that this is upstairs or all those kinds
Speaker 4: of things. But my moment to welcome to the NFL
Speaker 4: was once h you had a rookie kind of mini camps.
Speaker 4: It's just the rookies that are there, and everybody's talking about, well, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be different when the when the Vets come here.
Speaker 2: And you had your O.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know that's me a little nervous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, it's some anxiety to come with that, like
Speaker 1: to day. You know this this is the league and
Speaker 1: we you know we running on. I mean you ran
Speaker 1: on and.
Speaker 2: Off the field when you was in college. But it's
Speaker 2: just tempo.
Speaker 4: Everything's tempo period to period, and everybody's trying to get
Speaker 4: you used to the NFL life. And they were saying,
Speaker 4: OTAs hit, come the hit, come the vest. And again
Speaker 4: we in shells and in team drill.
Speaker 2: I'm out there.
Speaker 4: We're going against the first team offense and Corey Schlessinger,
Speaker 4: which was a full back, yeah, full back for us, yes,
Speaker 4: from Nebraska. It's coming through the hole and coming down
Speaker 4: the sideline, and he likes to finish a drill. So
Speaker 4: he finishes the drill. We got the ball maybe forty
Speaker 4: yards out. He's going to finish all the way to
Speaker 4: the end zone. And so we're being talked tag off
Speaker 4: like you just was talking about. So I'm tagging off
Speaker 4: and I had not got the memo with Corey Slessinger.
Speaker 4: He's stiff form. So all I got is I had
Speaker 4: on running around. He's uh Detroit, right Detroit, running down
Speaker 4: the field and Cory Slash. I go to tag in
Speaker 4: kind of like you know, form tackle. I'm gonna breeze
Speaker 4: by him, and he stiffs on My whole helmet come off,
Speaker 4: pop off my head. That's how stiff is Stiff was
Speaker 4: And it was kind of without him even saying welcome
Speaker 4: to the NFL. Everybody else is saying like, welcome to you.
Speaker 1: So in my in my thirteen years, you know, I
Speaker 1: got my bumps and bruises, and I'm gonna look into
Speaker 1: my camera right here and I'm I'm gonna show my
Speaker 1: little pinky that's all jacked up right now. So I'm
Speaker 1: listening to you totally, and I'm looking at your finger
Speaker 1: in your left hand and k look in that camera.
Speaker 1: Show showed him that that thing right there, That's that's
Speaker 1: what greatness looks like.
Speaker 2: Yo. That's no chest. That's the ball. Never touches, never hands.
Speaker 4: Only time, only time in traffic, because you know, sometimes
Speaker 4: you gotta in traffic, you gotta go up and body
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the collision allows you to catch the ball.
Speaker 4: So but other than that, I'm using all my hands
Speaker 4: to catch the football, like that's as receivers, that's our
Speaker 4: job is to catch the football.
Speaker 1: So I was very I've always been very, very comfortable
Speaker 1: around the ball.
Speaker 4: I was talking about this last night thing me in
Speaker 4: London fletching and was talking and I used to sleep
Speaker 4: with the ball.
Speaker 2: I used to be just landing in the bed flipping
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 4: I mean, he knows that's throwing multiple tennis balls off
Speaker 4: of the wall and catching it out in the neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Like I've just always been very comfortable catching the ball.
Speaker 4: So I'm a natural master of catching the football with
Speaker 4: my hands. And funny thing about his finger. We're in
Speaker 4: Arizona in two thousand and seven. By that time, I
Speaker 4: had moved on to Arizona, and we're playing the Rams
Speaker 4: and we're out there as we always did when we played.
Speaker 4: We're talking mid play, We're talking to each other. Hey,
Speaker 4: you know the family get settle tickets.
Speaker 2: Like this game going on, right He just ran a
Speaker 2: go route whatnot.
Speaker 4: I'm coming back from covering somebody and we just talking
Speaker 4: to each other and he's like, man, I just I
Speaker 4: just man. He was blocking somebody. It was talking about
Speaker 4: his fingers. Man, I just broke my finger again. Showed
Speaker 4: me the finger and popped it back in. But this,
Speaker 4: this finger has gotten uglier over the years, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Man, they can fix that, you know.
Speaker 4: And he's he's just big and this is this, this
Speaker 4: is his you know.
Speaker 2: I'm the surgeries. I'm tired of the surgeries. This joint, yeah,
Speaker 2: say it is what it is. We all have wounds,
Speaker 2: we all have our water. I told him, scaring people,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's not lying.
Speaker 1: I just saw this fingers for the first album when
Speaker 1: you first talk, I mean I was I wouldn't gonna
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: It because you didn't want to jump out your skins.
Speaker 3: Seem very comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: I'm very, very comfort to be a.
Speaker 1: Professional, very comfortable over here queezing for the told it's
Speaker 1: one thing to be a badge of honor, but if
Speaker 1: you can't hold no changes, it ought to be like
Speaker 1: a no change.
Speaker 4: You can't hold limit to the badge of honor. We
Speaker 4: got to get it fixed.
Speaker 1: So tell me this. How does it feel when when
Speaker 1: people ask you, guys that you achieved the rare feature
Speaker 1: and that is both brothers making it to the NFL.
Speaker 3: How much pride does that bring you? I got three
Speaker 3: older brothers.
Speaker 1: So I would have loved to have an older brother
Speaker 1: play in the NFL and achieve that goal.
Speaker 3: But for your family, how much pride?
Speaker 1: And for you guys individuals, Now, I'll say I'll go first.
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned pride, I mean we we hold this.
Speaker 4: I mean it allows us to have the type of
Speaker 4: pride that you look for in the family. And then
Speaker 4: particularly being able to share something with their brothers. So
Speaker 4: we don't take it for granted for sure, and we
Speaker 4: know we have a responsibility as being brothers and having the.
Speaker 2: Success that we had.
Speaker 4: Coming from a small town of Gibsonville, North Carolina, you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of little ones, a lot of folks
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood that look to us.
Speaker 2: So we're very aware of that.
Speaker 4: But to be able to share something like this stage
Speaker 4: with their brother, the high, the lows, the difference, all
Speaker 4: those things is just really to me, it is the ultimate.
Speaker 4: Because we also come across siblings that don't get along.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, and.
Speaker 4: We we we look we look at like, how do
Speaker 4: you not talk to your brother in a six months,
Speaker 4: three months?
Speaker 2: What what is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so so to be able to to be
Speaker 4: able to have a biological sibling and you have that
Speaker 4: type of connection with it's it's really dope.
Speaker 2: And it's the same with our sister.
Speaker 4: My sister is a school teacher, she's she we we
Speaker 4: all pride ourselves on serving and we got that from
Speaker 4: my father. So my sisters is a teaching terms and
Speaker 4: I obviously played sports and we have our foundation. Now
Speaker 4: we're able to able to serve.
Speaker 2: But to be able to.
Speaker 4: Do all those things and I'm going going a little long,
Speaker 4: but to be able to do all those things, but
Speaker 4: the one that you love and your and your brother,
Speaker 4: now it's it's dope.
Speaker 2: It's really cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I say, for me, it's it's it goes
Speaker 4: back to my first statement.
Speaker 2: I always wanted to do what my brother wanted to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was it was both.
Speaker 4: To have that example kind of to follow and a
Speaker 4: good example at that because you know, not every older
Speaker 4: brother or older sister is a good example, but they
Speaker 4: want you to be the best you can be in
Speaker 4: most occasions. And for me, it was both me trying
Speaker 4: to do what he done and follow kind of in
Speaker 4: his footsteps, which to some people they'll talk about the
Speaker 4: pressure that comes with that, Yeah, they're always coming behind
Speaker 4: your brother and him having.
Speaker 2: The type of career.
Speaker 4: But for me, it was it was competitive because, like
Speaker 4: we talked about this a great deal where having an
Speaker 4: example in seeing that somebody can do it is sometimes
Speaker 4: all you need. And I had the ultimate example of
Speaker 4: my brother. And I'm kind of like my brother. Oh
Speaker 4: he had thirty two points.
Speaker 2: I know I'm afford it.
Speaker 4: So it was kind of that competition that was breeded
Speaker 4: with us being young. And he made the thought of
Speaker 4: going to college earning a scholarship while seemingly daunting. My
Speaker 4: brother did it. I know I can do it. That's
Speaker 4: proof of concept that I can do it. Plus I'm competitive,
Speaker 4: I want to do what he's done, if not better
Speaker 4: and more. And so I was just I just had
Speaker 4: that mindset and thought process that I'm gonna make the league.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do what I need to do to make
Speaker 4: the league, get me a scholarship, I'm gonna play I'm
Speaker 4: gonna play well, whatever role I need to play.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it and do it.
Speaker 4: And and I had his tutelage all the way you
Speaker 4: know through that's you know, I think the beauty of
Speaker 4: he and I is that we've been best friends throughout
Speaker 4: the process. We've competed and been best friends. And when
Speaker 4: he when he lost Super Bowl in two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: I lost the Super Bowl. Yeah, he wanted to go out.
Speaker 4: It's a funny story. We were after they lose to
Speaker 4: the Patriots. They're in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: He comes to the room, We all walk back to
Speaker 2: the room.
Speaker 4: He finally get back after all the media and all
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, and comes to the room.
Speaker 2: Hey, he's dressed, ready to go ours and ain't going out? Man,
Speaker 2: Like I'm crying.
Speaker 4: This is how invested that I've always been in him,
Speaker 4: in his routes and stuff that he's done. You know,
Speaker 4: playing against the Rams was the easiest thing in the
Speaker 4: world for me, the greatest show on turf. While they
Speaker 4: were great, I knew him. I've been watching them as
Speaker 4: a fan, but also watching them with a competitive mind.
Speaker 4: If I was ever on the field against them, this
Speaker 4: is what I would do. And so all that to say, man,
Speaker 4: that we understand that we've done something that is unique.
Speaker 4: We are prideful about it, but we also try to
Speaker 4: impress upon other people that you can do it. When
Speaker 4: we're population fifteen hundred, nobody had made it out of
Speaker 4: our neighborhood. But we had like most neighborhoods and guys
Speaker 4: that have made it, we had all talent the people,
Speaker 4: maybe even more talented us that ran in the you know.
Speaker 2: Just whatever, bad decisions.
Speaker 1: So I love that because that is my story growing
Speaker 1: up in Pratt, Alabama. Nobody that looked like me had
Speaker 1: ever made it to the NFL. We had a full
Speaker 1: back named Kevin Turner. God rested soul. He passed away
Speaker 1: from LS a few years ago, but that was.
Speaker 3: The only guy.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And so because that, and like you said, once somebody
Speaker 1: that you know does it, Like, dude, I can do
Speaker 1: like I didn't know I could achieve that. I thought
Speaker 1: it was I ain't got but two hundred people. Our
Speaker 1: ceiling was on top of us and it's not even there.
Speaker 1: And so it's beautiful to hear you talk about that
Speaker 1: and really tour you just bursting through and really, man,
Speaker 1: we all can do it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you open up a floodgate with with competition.
Speaker 1: I know I'm a baby and my brother would pick
Speaker 1: on me, and like you, I want to hang out
Speaker 1: with my brother and he didn't want to hang out
Speaker 1: with me just because he was older.
Speaker 2: There's a three year gap.
Speaker 1: Difference, age difference, and I just was like, man, every
Speaker 1: time I tried to beat my brother or something, basketball,
Speaker 1: run and whatever, he used to kick my butt. Not
Speaker 1: until I got in the high school. I was probably
Speaker 1: my sophomore year we played. We finally played basketball one
Speaker 1: on one and this was like, I, damn it, I'm
Speaker 1: drawing my foot that putting my foot down.
Speaker 2: You were not.
Speaker 1: And it's funny y'all say that, though, But that was
Speaker 1: the first time I had ever beat my brother. I
Speaker 1: was fifteen and I beat him in our first we
Speaker 1: went to ten. I finally beat him and it was
Speaker 1: at that moment in time, I was like, you will
Speaker 1: never beat me again.
Speaker 2: Same story from that.
Speaker 1: From that moment on, I never lost to my brother
Speaker 1: because it was just like I got you, because I
Speaker 1: could like I beat him now, it's real. So I
Speaker 1: know y'all got some competitive stories, you know, like going
Speaker 1: going at it like give me, give me, give me
Speaker 1: a give.
Speaker 4: Me a good story. So one of the same, very
Speaker 4: similar or we had. We went to Easton Gildford High
Speaker 4: School and so I had grown six inches in my
Speaker 4: freshman summer and he was back from back from college
Speaker 4: and came to one of our practices, and after the practice,
Speaker 4: he and I played one on one and again, by
Speaker 4: that time I developed I was taller than him, and uh,
Speaker 4: and and again I got him and I beat him
Speaker 4: that particular day. But with football, it's it's, it's it's
Speaker 4: always been a challenge. I don't know that I can
Speaker 4: say other than the score we beat. When I was
Speaker 4: with the Cardinals, we beat him a couple of times.
Speaker 4: We beat y'all in in two thousand and three when
Speaker 4: I was with the Lions, where y'all, y'all are thirteen
Speaker 4: and two, y'all came in.
Speaker 2: I was y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 4: We beat y'all, but y'all, I was. I was mad
Speaker 4: at y'all because y'all were headed to the playoffs. We
Speaker 4: were headed home with the way y'all played the game.
Speaker 4: But uh, but I say, we got stories from at
Speaker 4: our grandma's house, where black grandma's houses are oftentimes more
Speaker 4: like museums.
Speaker 3: Right everywhere, everything is just an antique.
Speaker 1: Everywhere everywhere that ain't from Africa.
Speaker 2: Ex label when did you none of this stuff flipping
Speaker 2: over made in China?
Speaker 4: Right man, So were grandma's house and uh, he and I,
Speaker 4: like most occasions, got some ball made up game, were playing,
Speaker 4: were getting rough and we hit one of the antiques
Speaker 4: or hit one of the tables in the corner of
Speaker 4: his of his head table and he's bleeding, but we can't.
Speaker 2: Tell you're doing nothing, not in grandma's house.
Speaker 4: So we compete in so much and so heavy, we
Speaker 4: can't tell nobody this story.
Speaker 2: He got a.
Speaker 4: Cut in his head that he can't we got to hide,
Speaker 4: and we can't tell nobody. It was luckily enough it
Speaker 4: had he didn't need any stitches or anything. But we
Speaker 4: got more examples of stuff like that where we competed.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you everything it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: We didn't even have to have.
Speaker 4: And that's why we get on our kids now oftentimes,
Speaker 4: where kids need to be set up with with everything.
Speaker 4: You got to have a baseball glup to play baseball
Speaker 4: or or back to play baby.
Speaker 2: We went got sticks we had we had we didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my driveway is on a slant, and my wife's
Speaker 1: like we shouldn't even have a basketball goal because like
Speaker 1: it's not it's on a slant.
Speaker 2: I played on grass.
Speaker 1: Already doesn't matter, and so often I call it so
Speaker 1: many of our kids and we're blessed, we're fortunate.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of first world problems on this conversation, right,
Speaker 1: But they live on a.
Speaker 3: Yacht, ye, and so they don't know.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell somebody that lives on the
Speaker 1: yacht that you know, your life is not not that
Speaker 1: it's bad when you.
Speaker 3: Know, that's all they life exactly.
Speaker 4: And to this day, we you know, we still are
Speaker 4: very competitive, but we're respectful and we certainly have reached
Speaker 4: an age which competing against one another it's kind of less.
Speaker 4: We're kind of competing and have challenges that are oftentimes
Speaker 4: versus you know, in business together that are that are
Speaker 4: that are versus other obstacles, and so we're more or
Speaker 4: less coming together to strategize on how collectively we're going
Speaker 4: to overcome something that, you know, whatever challenge it is
Speaker 4: that we're facing that particular day.
Speaker 1: So I like that, all right, We're gonna put a
Speaker 1: pin in that because I want to get into the
Speaker 1: business ventures in a second. But before we get that,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the greatest show on turf?
Speaker 1: And so what was that like when you first show
Speaker 1: up and it becomes because I don't think you guys
Speaker 1: were called the greatest show on turf? Util how you
Speaker 1: got showed up your rookie year and you know, you
Speaker 1: guys are doing the dance, the bobb and weave and
Speaker 1: then you were also I give you guys another thing
Speaker 1: you got that receiving core was the first receiving corps
Speaker 1: I ever remember that nobody cared about yack like you
Speaker 1: guys just caught the ball and got down. We called
Speaker 1: it bomb shelter.
Speaker 2: We bomb shelter.
Speaker 3: That very unique.
Speaker 4: That kind of started happening a little later on in
Speaker 4: our career because you know, we dealt with so many
Speaker 4: coverages many you know, I took some shots in the
Speaker 4: National Football League. Unfortunately I didn't take a ton of percussions,
Speaker 4: but I took some legitimate shots across the league. So
Speaker 4: at times I thought, you know, like your primes others
Speaker 4: talk about made it the business decision. At times I
Speaker 4: made those business decisions whether I was going to try
Speaker 4: to over exert myself and extend and get banged, or
Speaker 4: go ahead and be smart take what I got live
Speaker 4: to play another down. I thought it was the eventually
Speaker 4: you got the first ones to really like and then
Speaker 4: eventually bomb.
Speaker 2: On you the next next thing, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: your end zone.
Speaker 4: So but in terms of my introduction into the team
Speaker 4: with the greatest showing turf for me, I had Isaac Bruce,
Speaker 4: Ricky prol Aza Quem guys when I.
Speaker 2: Came into the room that were true pros, true.
Speaker 4: Vets, and was really good wide receivers in all fasts
Speaker 4: of the position. So I had a luxury of seeing
Speaker 4: that every day. So as long as I felt, as
Speaker 4: long as I stayed the course, I could become that
Speaker 4: complete receiver because I was seeing it in my room
Speaker 4: every day. Now, a lot of these young guys that
Speaker 4: are coming into their rooms, they're all young, so they're
Speaker 4: all teething each other and they're learning as they go,
Speaker 4: whether they're having a true sometimes having a legit vet
Speaker 4: in the room that can kind of set the tempo
Speaker 4: the room, set the temple in practice, you know, accountability.
Speaker 2: Just showing you the way every single day.
Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to have that in our room
Speaker 4: and on the team, guys like brother Ray Agnew who's
Speaker 4: naw with the Detroit lines. Kurt Warner was Kurk Marshall
Speaker 4: Orlando Pace who was dominant. I had the luxury of
Speaker 4: watching the Lando dominate guys because I played the X
Speaker 4: so I'm right on the ball.
Speaker 1: I could see the left tackle working. He was destroying Dominique.
Speaker 3: He's a big human, it's like a bear.
Speaker 1: But general Johnto he is so like hey, yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's so solid.
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl for the first time and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: this is huge man.
Speaker 2: And he was a tremendous athlete.
Speaker 4: You know, you play basketball, so I had a luxury
Speaker 4: of you know, watching, watching, So seeing that on a
Speaker 4: day to day basis, Man, if you love ball and
Speaker 4: you're competitive and you want to be you know, established
Speaker 4: at that at your position, establishing the game, it's like, man,
Speaker 4: I gotta.
Speaker 2: Do do what they do with more so.
Speaker 4: Having that and then seeing how we formed and how
Speaker 4: we jailed, I think how we became the greatest show
Speaker 4: on turf. Our practices, Like, our practices are greater than
Speaker 4: we had some awesome games, but our practices were even greater.
Speaker 4: To me, That's where the greatest show to me was born.
Speaker 4: It was how we practiced, how unselfish we were, we
Speaker 4: celebrated each other. Yeah, which was which which was? Our
Speaker 4: coaches used to just tell us how rare that was,
Speaker 4: Like we can't believe, like like no one's tripping over
Speaker 4: who's getting off? Like every when one get off, everybody
Speaker 4: got off right. And then another thing too, what extended
Speaker 4: beyond the playing field for us too, like as as
Speaker 4: that with that championship group and that greatest show in
Speaker 4: term group, all of us both offensively and defensively, we
Speaker 4: had a bond like we hung with each other, like
Speaker 4: we spent time on one another outside of the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where I feel, You know how I
Speaker 2: feel about the game.
Speaker 4: So that's how That's what I was introduced to as
Speaker 4: a rookie. So you gotta only imagine what my expectations
Speaker 4: were going to be each year, right that we had
Speaker 4: success or whether we didn't, I was just I just
Speaker 4: had a good We had a good foundation of players
Speaker 4: that showed us how to do it, and we had
Speaker 4: a really good foundation of coaches. Coach Dick Vermeille, who
Speaker 4: just went into the Pro Football Hall of Fame was
Speaker 4: the head coach, and Mike Marsh and those guys. Mike
Speaker 4: coach Marsh was phenomenals was offensive coordinating guys on defense.
Speaker 4: But we had a good collective of players where football
Speaker 4: meant something to them.
Speaker 2: So for a rookie, it was good to get that
Speaker 2: kind of tutelage early.
Speaker 1: I think everybody I've spoken to who has been to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl or if won a Super Bowl, they
Speaker 1: always talk about how dope or how amazing that locker
Speaker 1: room is. They hang out outside of the lockero. It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's a must. I feel like if
Speaker 1: you don't do that, you're not You're not You're not
Speaker 1: going to be tough. It's gonna be extremely tough. And
Speaker 1: then can we just talk about you talked about he's
Speaker 1: got induct uh Dig Vermilion, he got inducted to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Like, can we just talk about the
Speaker 1: Hall of famers on that team real quick? So you
Speaker 1: got Dig Vermilion, you got Isaac, you got Kurt, you
Speaker 1: got Orlando Orlando Marshall, Marshall and Niance Williams and NaN's
Speaker 1: was with us and on the championship. What is that five?
Speaker 2: So what are you four? For?
Speaker 1: A time finalists? Like I know you're you're you're knocking
Speaker 1: your beating We just had Leu Ray Butler on the
Speaker 1: show and he was really talking about and he really
Speaker 1: gave a beautiful dection of what it meant for him
Speaker 1: to finally get that knock. And I'm hoping, I'm praying.
Speaker 1: I see your name every year for the last couple
Speaker 1: of years and you you were damn You're so close
Speaker 1: and looking at you like when you just run off
Speaker 1: the stats earlier, I'm just like, man, this what is what? Why?
Speaker 2: Who's ever.
Speaker 3: Watching?
Speaker 2: Like, let's do the damn things.
Speaker 4: It's about I appreciate that. Yeah, and I appreciate it's
Speaker 4: about that time. It's it's It's been a cool it's
Speaker 4: been a cool journey.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I've been you know, you mentioned I've been a finalist
Speaker 4: four years and just every year the process and just
Speaker 4: learning something different and seeing how it all works.
Speaker 2: Certainly certainly.
Speaker 4: Excited for the guys that go they go in, but
Speaker 4: it's always a level of dis important when you know
Speaker 4: for sure. But I will say this, coming out of
Speaker 4: this year, we feel like our team, my presenter who
Speaker 4: was Who's how it balls and my team, we feel
Speaker 4: like we are a step closer. So to your point,
Speaker 4: we feel like it's going to happen soon, but it'll be.
Speaker 2: It'll be an incredible moment to be you know, to
Speaker 2: be able to.
Speaker 3: Did you think it would be like this though?
Speaker 1: Like did you think, like, yeah, maybe my work will
Speaker 1: just speak for itself, absolutely certainly. Or there's a lot
Speaker 1: of politics campaigning, and I still I want to still
Speaker 1: explain a presenter as well, Like I didn't even know
Speaker 1: you got to have a present Yeah, it's like so.
Speaker 4: Each each guy that goes in has a presenter, and
Speaker 4: a lot of times it's someone that covered them at
Speaker 4: that particular city of that particular team to beat right right,
Speaker 4: so you know, so they have to go in and
Speaker 4: present your case of why you should be a pro
Speaker 4: Football of Fame. And to Peanuts point, my thing has
Speaker 4: always been it's my work is done. It's it's all worthy,
Speaker 4: great if it's if it's not, okay, I get it.
Speaker 4: I think for me, the biggest joy that I get
Speaker 4: out of continue to stay around the game, and as
Speaker 4: I continue to talk to guys that I played against,
Speaker 4: the respect that we show for each other for.
Speaker 2: Playing the game. To me, y'all know that, y'all know
Speaker 2: that means everything. It does when your.
Speaker 4: Dude come up to you like yo, y'all know that
Speaker 4: that shape and that hug like you're a bad boy,
Speaker 4: that in the hall is the hall is great, But
Speaker 4: that y'all know, means a whole hell of a lot.
Speaker 4: So just just feeling that being on that wavelength is great.
Speaker 4: I can only imagine with that and the hall and
Speaker 4: wearing a jacket. I mean, it's it's icing in the cake.
Speaker 4: And in regards to how we feel and play this
Speaker 4: game and how we view.
Speaker 1: It, at what point did you know when it was
Speaker 1: time to hang it up? And I want you to
Speaker 1: talk about the transition of not playing football.
Speaker 3: This is what you've been doing your whole life.
Speaker 1: You've been chasing your brother, You've had all these dreams,
Speaker 1: you've accomplished so many things. Can you talk about that transition,
Speaker 1: because that's what this play podcast is really it is
Speaker 1: all about.
Speaker 2: It is talking about the.
Speaker 3: Second act and we all figuring out.
Speaker 2: What to do next.
Speaker 4: Sure, and kudos to both you all for doing this podcast,
Speaker 4: because I mean it's the thing that every player will
Speaker 4: go through and to hear players that played thirteen years,
Speaker 4: eighteen years, fifteen years, whatever have you, and to know
Speaker 4: that they may have the same struggles they've set themselves
Speaker 4: up financially, they've played as long as they can play,
Speaker 4: but they still struggle for a guy that maybe played
Speaker 4: two years or six years or four years, where their
Speaker 4: careers may have been prompted to stop, you know, because
Speaker 4: they just couldn't make another team. But for me, I
Speaker 4: had the fortune again of having my brother play income
Speaker 4: before me and having advisors that had advised him, where
Speaker 4: a lot of my transition started before I even took
Speaker 4: a snap in an NFL. It was thinking about next
Speaker 4: act and setting myself up on insurance and all those
Speaker 4: kinds of things that at some point of your career
Speaker 4: you have to start talking about. I was after my
Speaker 4: rookie year finished. I was part of that inaugural class
Speaker 4: that started to do some of the executive entrepreneurship kind
Speaker 4: of programs where I went to Wharton and so there
Speaker 4: was guys that were ten years, eleven years, twelve years
Speaker 4: in here I am.
Speaker 2: As a rookie, only rookie.
Speaker 4: Youngest person twenty four years old, and there's thirty five,
Speaker 4: thirty six, thirty seven year old guys in there at
Speaker 4: this Wharton event in school to learn about kind of transition.
Speaker 4: It was transitioning with success, and so I've always kind
Speaker 4: of been ahead of the curve trying to think about
Speaker 4: my next act, not hoping that it would come anytime soon,
Speaker 4: but I got to prepare for it and start thinking
Speaker 4: about it. But just like anybody else after my when
Speaker 4: it was all said and done and free agency was
Speaker 4: going in a way that I thought with not having
Speaker 4: a lot of bites from teams and having my faculties.
Speaker 4: I had had several concussions when I played, I had
Speaker 4: had some injuries like knee and back and some of
Speaker 4: those things. You know, One day I just kind of
Speaker 4: looked around. It was like in February leading into March,
Speaker 4: and like I said, I hadn't had a lot of
Speaker 4: teams that had showed interest in communicating with my with
Speaker 4: my agent, I was like, you know what, man, I
Speaker 4: have done well, I've played six years. I had a
Speaker 4: goal of playing ten years. I said, I, you know,
Speaker 4: I just think it is it's time. I had just
Speaker 4: gotten married and uh and finished in New Orleans and
Speaker 4: going to that two thousand and nine season, I started
Speaker 4: going to business conferences and just wanting to just just
Speaker 4: learn like what's out there, Like, you know, what what
Speaker 4: opportunities kind of suit and fit our needs. And we
Speaker 4: had already started in seven a real estate business. We
Speaker 4: were going to do house flips and it was called
Speaker 4: Brothers Buildings was the name of the company, the LLC, the.
Speaker 2: LLLC that we had started. And so we just started
Speaker 2: to learn.
Speaker 4: We had great business advisors and people that we've been
Speaker 4: fortunate to be surrounded by to kind of talk to
Speaker 4: us and UH and that we could trust that wasn't
Speaker 4: in it to have us invest in something that they
Speaker 4: wanted to do. And that's oftentimes what players can be
Speaker 4: surrounded around is people that they trust that are in
Speaker 4: it for themselves to say, you know what, let's take
Speaker 4: I can make your money work for you. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Just invest in me and invest in it.
Speaker 4: And for us, it was investing in ourselves and knowing
Speaker 4: that we had to drive and the ambition to do
Speaker 4: something to go beyond what we had done with.
Speaker 2: Our sports careers. And so fast forward to that.
Speaker 4: You know, for me, I just and with my wife's support,
Speaker 4: because I went through a period where I was down.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a locker room to support me and
Speaker 4: pick me up. So I probably I told my brother this,
Speaker 4: I probably I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it was depression, but I probably
Speaker 4: was going through depressions, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 4: so I had to find that next thing. And I
Speaker 4: think what has helped me and me and Tory talk
Speaker 4: about this all the time is if you're trying to
Speaker 4: get in one big bite all of the joy that
Speaker 4: you get, an accomplishment you get from playing in the
Speaker 4: National Football League and running out there on the field
Speaker 4: with eighty five thousand people either booing you or cheering
Speaker 4: for you, you're probably going to be disappointed. What you have
Speaker 4: to do in transitioning and your second act is those
Speaker 4: small bites and those small wins and kind of collectively
Speaker 4: putting together whether it's business that you're doing, whether it's
Speaker 4: being able to be the dad that you you know
Speaker 4: wanted to be or you couldn't be when you know,
Speaker 4: when you had football kind of taking up so much
Speaker 4: of your time, volunteering, it's things of which you know
Speaker 4: ingratiating yourself into your community, things like that that I
Speaker 4: think those collectively can put together a nice little mix
Speaker 4: of stuff that can give you the pleasure of planning
Speaker 4: and not not replace. It's it's something that you know
Speaker 4: that most people don't do, but it can give you
Speaker 4: the pleasure of filling your day with small wins and
Speaker 4: things that you can you can find a career and
Speaker 4: find a second act out of and for me and
Speaker 4: for us that we did. We went around business conferences,
Speaker 4: got business advisement, and then landed rather than the real
Speaker 4: estate company on construction.
Speaker 2: And there was.
Speaker 4: Opportunities for both public and private projects that could benefit
Speaker 4: from diversity and inclusion and from a minority owned company
Speaker 4: like Whope Other's construction. And so we went about that
Speaker 4: course of pursuing public and private opportunities. And eleven years later, Man,
Speaker 4: we've kind of grown our kind of revenue, pushing kind
Speaker 4: of like nine figures now and in some big opportunities
Speaker 4: in front of us. And it's it's just been just
Speaker 4: like our careers, where we we've grown. Each year, we've evolved,
Speaker 4: we've learned, we've gotten better, we've got craftier, got smarter.
Speaker 4: We've had some some things that we've not done well,
Speaker 4: but we've learned from those and we feel like we've surrounded.
Speaker 2: Ourselves with a really, really really good team.
Speaker 4: They are really what make Toy and I successful and
Speaker 4: we have the benefit of all the lessons that we've
Speaker 4: learned and people that we've talked to coaches being coached.
Speaker 4: We have that, and we are in the position now
Speaker 4: to coach, to coach and own and UH and stepping
Speaker 4: in the fray when we need to to UH to
Speaker 4: provide a plan of action and the course of action
Speaker 4: and letting people grow and work and and all those
Speaker 4: kinds of things. So that's that's really what's been been
Speaker 4: beneficial for us and been helpful for us.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that kind of give us that whole
Speaker 1: what you guys are up to a little bit more so,
Speaker 1: and what I was thinking of before I kind of
Speaker 1: lost my thoughts. What you said was so true is
Speaker 1: that the respect mutually from your peers and being called
Speaker 1: a true pro. That's like the ultimate college pro for
Speaker 1: football players. A lot of times in locker rooms like well,
Speaker 1: I just want to be called the pro pro pro.
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because when when he when he and
Speaker 4: I had this conversation with my kids. When Terrence was
Speaker 4: in high school, I talked to him as a high schooler.
Speaker 4: When he was in college, I talked and treated him
Speaker 4: as he was a high school when he was in
Speaker 4: college when he came to the pros, All that's over.
Speaker 4: You're a pro now, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Like it's a whole and it's a whole level of
Speaker 5: expectations and you got to do it every day, your
Speaker 5: pro the expectations for you to show up every single day.
Speaker 4: And I tell my and now I'm having that conversation
Speaker 4: with my daughters. I'm not I'm not talking to you
Speaker 4: like I talked to you and he was in high school.
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you now you're in college. Dad hasn't
Speaker 4: been through that. Mom has been through that, and we
Speaker 4: and we speaking that way. And as you move up.
Speaker 4: So I just want to I just wanted to share.
Speaker 4: I just want to just want.
Speaker 1: To shut and I appreciate that. And then, you know,
Speaker 1: just talk about your transition a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: what made you decide to retire when you did. I
Speaker 1: mean you're still productive your last year. I think you
Speaker 1: believe fifty.
Speaker 3: And you're like, you know what, I'm good, I'm ready
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my body, my knees told me, yo, you just
Speaker 2: time for you to be be done.
Speaker 3: Do it.
Speaker 4: Lot of turf days, you know, lot of t yeah,
Speaker 4: you know a lot of you know, I've had surgeries,
Speaker 4: had issues. I came into to the pros with with
Speaker 4: the knee issue that I suffered down at the Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I knew early on that I would have
Speaker 4: knee issues. And because of the way also how I
Speaker 4: practiced and how I played and how we cut and moved.
Speaker 4: As a receiver, you gotta do a lot of bend
Speaker 4: and a lot of cutting. So I knew I had
Speaker 4: a certain window. So with that, with me knowing that,
Speaker 4: anticipating that, that old me to really in that window
Speaker 4: that I had was the goal as hard as I
Speaker 4: possibly could be, as consistent, bes as dominant as I
Speaker 4: possibly could. So it was my nees that my health
Speaker 4: is what took me out, which was fine, you know,
Speaker 4: I because.
Speaker 2: Again I I anticipated it happening. I knew it was coming.
Speaker 4: When it does, it's it's not what we what we want,
Speaker 4: but it's reality.
Speaker 2: It is reality. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I spoke to coach Belichick about it, and
Speaker 4: you know, and we came up with a plan and
Speaker 4: and remember calling home, calling my wife, calling my grandmother,
Speaker 4: calling Terians, calling my pops. Hey, this was the day.
Speaker 4: It was, you know, this was yeah, I was this
Speaker 4: is it, This is it? I was coming from a
Speaker 4: business conference and he called, and uh, it was. It
Speaker 4: was kind of a pregnant pause there where it was
Speaker 4: like he said.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm done, and I knew it was. I knew
Speaker 2: it was serious. It's heart in his voice. Oh man,
Speaker 2: it was. It was.
Speaker 4: And when he said he was done, it was it
Speaker 4: was we done. It was right because I had transition
Speaker 4: before him. And what I was gonna say. The funny
Speaker 4: thing about transition, I'm chasing my brother, right, I'm always
Speaker 4: coming after my brother, middle school, high school, college pros.
Speaker 4: This is the first time that I was able to
Speaker 4: go before him, so I was able to talk to
Speaker 4: him about transition and what it was going to be like.
Speaker 4: And I never forget telling him. The thing that he'll
Speaker 4: have to do, that we'll have to do, that I
Speaker 4: had to do is humble ourselves because we're we're you know,
Speaker 4: being down back around the draft and going to the
Speaker 4: super Bowl and all those kinds of things. Oftentimes we
Speaker 4: are not because we asked for but we're put on
Speaker 4: a pedestal and we you know, we're these nice hotels
Speaker 4: and there's fans and there's people doing a whole lot
Speaker 4: of stuff for you. When you transition and you go
Speaker 4: back into the home, and not that you're out of
Speaker 4: the home, but there's nobody cheering your name, you know,
Speaker 4: and you gotta be okay with that little quieter.
Speaker 2: You know. It's and and when you step in the
Speaker 2: business people may.
Speaker 4: Allow and set up a meeting with you because again
Speaker 4: that they know you and and and kind of appreciated
Speaker 4: the career that you had. But when they're talking about
Speaker 4: giving you a business opportunity, that ain't got nothing to
Speaker 4: do because you caught you know seven again, if it's
Speaker 4: there's money that you're spending, they want a return on
Speaker 4: their investment. They want a service that isn't keeping with
Speaker 4: that car. So I was telling my brother at these
Speaker 4: business conferences, it's people that you.
Speaker 2: Know, will chew you up elevator speech, what do you do?
Speaker 4: And and and and to that point, we went to
Speaker 4: an event and I wasn't ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't ready. I got humble, Yeah, real quick,
Speaker 2: real quick, I went. I told him. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't nothing. Man I ain't never felt like that.
Speaker 4: It was discurious because because the guy, the guy was
Speaker 4: kind of go ahead. You know, it wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: no different if he came on my turf in the
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl and he you know, and then I'm on
Speaker 4: his turf as a as a businessman. I wasn't ready,
Speaker 4: you know, in my mind, I'm thinking, I am okay,
Speaker 4: here I am.
Speaker 2: You know, I canna man. I didn't even know how
Speaker 2: to I had to learn how to talk the language
Speaker 2: business culture.
Speaker 1: How long did it take you say, like, well, how
Speaker 1: long did it take you to figure that out? During
Speaker 1: that transition phase? Like say, okay, I retired January one,
Speaker 1: and then you're talking to your brother.
Speaker 2: He's giving me some advice. Did you sit out a year?
Speaker 3: Did you wait a year?
Speaker 2: Did you? Or do you get right into it? You know?
Speaker 4: I was was, I was done and I was probably
Speaker 4: a couple of years out. Oh we actually really went
Speaker 4: into that, So I was, I was done. I was
Speaker 4: done in my after going into the Old nine season.
Speaker 4: We started the business in October seventeenth, twenty eleven, is
Speaker 4: when we got going. But we were but we were
Speaker 4: in it. But we were going around taking coffees, lunch,
Speaker 4: then us with people to tea to tell us before
Speaker 4: we spend money, tell us we'll pay for coffee, lunch
Speaker 4: and dinner. To get lessons. How do we come into
Speaker 4: this construction industry, what's the best way How minority minority
Speaker 4: companies or companies, small companies have they failed you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? How have they been able to carve
Speaker 4: out an identity for themselves to be known for something.
Speaker 4: We're going around asking architects, engineers, potential clients, and other
Speaker 4: general contractors. Construction managers look like that just like us.
Speaker 4: And what ended up happening, which is the greatest thing,
Speaker 4: is just like with a coach, where a coach see
Speaker 4: that a player has invested and they'll come to them
Speaker 4: for extra work or extra tips. That's what we were
Speaker 4: getting from those people. We were seeking counsel front as
Speaker 4: they seen we went into it and this was not
Speaker 4: a place where we were just throwing money or we
Speaker 4: were going to own the company and never be seen
Speaker 4: and throw money at it.
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.
Speaker 4: They seen our personal investment and interest in coming back.
Speaker 4: And if a guy told us or girl told us,
Speaker 4: young lady told us to be hey, come to this
Speaker 4: conference and it's in San Diego, but come to this conference,
Speaker 4: what was happening was they was testing us.
Speaker 2: Yep, we show.
Speaker 4: Up, We on time, We suited and booted, you know,
Speaker 4: were seeking knowledge, were there. First thing is show up
Speaker 4: and y'all know like I know, in our sport and
Speaker 4: for our meetings, coming to a meeting and just showing
Speaker 4: up a meeting and eating clock. That ain't it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Eight o'clock you late. If the
Speaker 4: meetings started at eight and you dad, eight, you late.
Speaker 4: So we showing up fifteen minutes early, attentive, ready to go.
Speaker 4: People started to invest in us, they started champion us.
Speaker 4: And that's really the thing that helped here and I
Speaker 4: grow to lead our team is we needed some executive
Speaker 4: coaching too, you know what I mean, We needed to
Speaker 4: be poured in. And I would say for our for
Speaker 4: our current and former players and legends alumni is listening
Speaker 4: to this podcast, I think you have to allow yourself
Speaker 4: to be humbled and allow yourself to be able to
Speaker 4: work through transitional coaching for a professional career outside of
Speaker 4: foot ball, like to give yourself the grace to learn.
Speaker 4: Because again, like I said, I wasn't ready for some
Speaker 4: of those business conversations. I'll be back to towns like
Speaker 4: some of that shit. But it made me like okay,
Speaker 4: all right, and my my plan days I ain't letting
Speaker 4: I ain't letting them stay happen again. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like that'd be the last time coach gonna
Speaker 4: say that, say something about that.
Speaker 2: So you just learn to clean it up. You learn
Speaker 2: to get better.
Speaker 4: But you got to give yourself to grace to do that,
Speaker 4: and you got to know what you do. That was
Speaker 4: the biggest thing is people asking what do you need
Speaker 4: to know what your business does? And you got to
Speaker 4: do it in a concise way because you might have
Speaker 4: the benefit, especially at these big conferences where people meeting
Speaker 4: a lot of people, you may have the ear of
Speaker 4: an executive or CEO for sixty seconds you're coming down.
Speaker 2: That's why it's call e because everybody, everybody, everybody want
Speaker 2: to chat.
Speaker 4: Everybody want to and what the and the thing I'll
Speaker 4: say to players in their sacond act, if it's business,
Speaker 4: if it's you know, uh, philanthropic work, whatever is. What
Speaker 4: we learned very quickly was while humbling ourselves is something that.
Speaker 2: We needed to do.
Speaker 4: We didn't need to fray from who we are and
Speaker 4: what happens is is in business right if you know,
Speaker 4: everybody goes toward and everybody goes to Howard or whatnot,
Speaker 4: and they are betrayed to be these business folks. Their
Speaker 4: dim a dozen't like they've gone the path towards being
Speaker 4: the business people we are.
Speaker 2: What we had was that we were unique.
Speaker 4: And what you'll learn in doing business and trying to
Speaker 4: do businesses that ninety percent of the discussion that you
Speaker 4: may be have that you may have with somebody has
Speaker 4: nothing to do with that business you're talking, you know, sports,
Speaker 4: topic of the day, and being unique and having something
Speaker 4: to talk about other than the widget or the thing
Speaker 4: or business culture and discussion made us stand out. And
Speaker 4: so that's what I say to players is don't worry
Speaker 4: about changing who you are.
Speaker 2: Be who you are. It's that uniqueness.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be different and gonna make you stand out
Speaker 4: amongst everybody else.
Speaker 2: But be ready.
Speaker 4: Once in that ten percent of that discussion, you got
Speaker 4: to know your business right and come with what you want?
Speaker 4: What do you want? What are you trying to get
Speaker 4: out of this meeting. We shouldn't just be meeting just
Speaker 4: to meeting. You're dealing with somebody's time. It might be
Speaker 4: an hour, thirty minutes, twenty minutes. What do you want
Speaker 4: and don't be afraid that tell people what you want?
Speaker 4: How can you help me more? People will help you
Speaker 4: if you open your mouth rather than you just again
Speaker 4: not open your mouth and don't utilize that meeting or
Speaker 4: that time that people have.
Speaker 1: All I can say is wow, I like that you
Speaker 1: just said. It seems like and You're not the first
Speaker 1: person to do this. I'm the same way I think
Speaker 1: you are too. When we retire and we get out
Speaker 1: and we get into that transition and then we get humbled,
Speaker 1: we somehow get back into how we prepared, how we
Speaker 1: got to the league. I'm sure you do it when
Speaker 1: you do your notes and stuff right when you on TV,
Speaker 1: and it's just like, no, hold on, hold on that,
Speaker 1: I got to teach you thse real quick. Like we
Speaker 1: we we get into that, all right. I know I'm
Speaker 1: not in the league no more, but I got to
Speaker 1: get back into that I'm in the league mentality mentally
Speaker 1: of how we prepare, Like I think, like all just naturally.
Speaker 4: Do that, like once we came to the professional football league,
Speaker 4: once we once we became professionals repros for the rest
Speaker 4: of our life, y'o.
Speaker 2: For sure, it's a great point.
Speaker 1: And whatever we do, it's a great point because we
Speaker 1: only know one way it's like fight or flight, and
Speaker 1: there ain't no flight.
Speaker 2: You're dealing with a pro. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's why I encourage guys that your sack and
Speaker 1: act can be better than your first Yeah. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 1: because now we hopefully you've done right by your money.
Speaker 1: You are able to invest in yourself and able to
Speaker 1: multiply what you have, and like I said, humbling yourself,
Speaker 1: asking people for what you want and preparing like you
Speaker 1: knew you had to prepare if you were a safety
Speaker 1: or a corner and you had to go against the
Speaker 1: best receiver or the tight end or the running back
Speaker 1: or whatnot, you wasn't just showing up.
Speaker 4: And it's the same thing with businesses. Do your homework,
Speaker 4: especially on who you meeting. If somebody sends you a meeting, invite,
Speaker 4: what's the agenda, what we're gonna talk about, ask about
Speaker 4: it right. I'm not going in a meeting that I'm
Speaker 4: not having no kind of understanding the way we mean
Speaker 4: about exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that's very important to you try and encourage
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are going through that transition
Speaker 1: to you know, a lot of us are fearful of
Speaker 1: the unknown, sure, and so a lot of times you know,
Speaker 1: you've great, You've given some great nuggets talking about you know,
Speaker 1: be who you are, right and I've got some advice
Speaker 1: that Hey, look man, some of you guys are stars.
Speaker 3: Naturally.
Speaker 1: People will be attracted to you because you're a natural star.
Speaker 1: And when you dim your life, other people can't shine.
Speaker 1: So when you shine and continue to be who you are,
Speaker 1: it lets everybody in the room shine and be seen.
Speaker 1: So continue to lean into who you are. I think
Speaker 1: you guys have really hit that on the head. And
Speaker 1: for me, I would like to know about, you know,
Speaker 1: the Whole Brothers, Inc. And when you started this thing,
Speaker 1: did you guys have any like initial goals and have
Speaker 1: you achieved those goals in what is your trajectory or
Speaker 1: the future plans for it? Sure we certainly had goals,
Speaker 1: you know, we knew they would change kind of over time,
Speaker 1: of course, but we had read all the business metrics
Speaker 1: of you know, if you can make it three years
Speaker 1: and you can make it, you know, we heard all
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 4: We've evolved, We've a changed, We've we've got more focus.
Speaker 4: Whole Brothers Inc. When we started was kind of the
Speaker 4: parent company for LLC's like Whole Brothers Football Whole Brother's
Speaker 4: Development and Whole Brother's Construction LLC. And then we've had
Speaker 4: before Whople Brothers Inc. Was born, we had Whole Brothers Foundation, Inc.
Speaker 4: Which is an affiliate two hours. That's a lot of websites. Yes,
Speaker 4: but but we've narrowed our focus where our primary businesses aren't.
Speaker 4: We're not doing anything with the development company like going
Speaker 4: after any real estate deals. And we used to do
Speaker 4: camps and clinics with the Football Company and COVID happening,
Speaker 4: and so we kind of not doing much with the
Speaker 4: with the Football Company, and so it's construction and it's
Speaker 4: foundation and so sometimes narrowing your focus is part of
Speaker 4: that game plan too, and you learn that over time,
Speaker 4: like only got so much bandwidth, right, and I can
Speaker 4: keep trying to chop at everything, or I can narrow
Speaker 4: my focus and I can get something done. And sometimes
Speaker 4: again getting something done is the motivation to keep going
Speaker 4: versus being so spread out. And so we did that,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, we initially started with the goal
Speaker 4: of doing work in a certain kind of way, like
Speaker 4: like we just wanted to do college and university work,
Speaker 4: where we've kind of spread Now what we're doing. Education
Speaker 4: is a big focus college and university, but we're also
Speaker 4: doing K through twelve, so we built kind of uh
Speaker 4: elementary schools, high schools. We've worked at our alma mater
Speaker 4: and done some cool projects. Now that that's a cool thing.
Speaker 1: We're getting to come home, come back home, and we're
Speaker 1: through some stuff.
Speaker 3: It probably means.
Speaker 2: A lot more mans.
Speaker 1: When you see a building that you could help construct
Speaker 1: on your old stumping grounds and campus, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of pridect you.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I say me and Toory talk about this
Speaker 4: like I know my campus like I've never known my
Speaker 4: campus places. I never went on campus. You know how
Speaker 4: we all we got. If you're in sociology degree, which
Speaker 4: I was, I went through the buildings of a sociology and.
Speaker 2: I was going back to the degree.
Speaker 4: Football facility and the dining hall, those are the places
Speaker 4: I know. So now we've learned a whole lot more
Speaker 4: about campus because we're working on campus. But we've done
Speaker 4: do work for our city. We do parks and recreation.
Speaker 4: We're doing this cool project that I want to kind
Speaker 4: of elaborate on. It's called North Carolina Freedom Park, and
Speaker 4: it's the first and only park to commemorate the efforts
Speaker 4: of African Americans to the state of North Carolina. So
Speaker 4: all this time, there's no park in Charlotte, there's no
Speaker 4: park in Winston or all these other metros throughout our state.
Speaker 4: And it's on the doorstep of the governors because the
Speaker 4: governor's mansion is writ in Raleigh, North Carolina. That's our
Speaker 4: that's our capital. And so we're doing this park and
Speaker 4: it has all these on these pre cast wall, all
Speaker 4: these engravements of statements, quotes from famous African Americans that
Speaker 4: made significant contributions to our state. So we're working on that,
Speaker 4: and we've been working on that for the past year.
Speaker 4: We ride by it every day because it's just doorsteps
Speaker 4: from my office. So it's like watching paint dry, because
Speaker 4: stuff don't happen like that on the day. It takes
Speaker 4: some time. I've been in this project over a year,
Speaker 4: but to see that project come together and has this
Speaker 4: beacon of hope that is this stainless steel structure that's
Speaker 4: about forty foot that sits in the middle of the
Speaker 4: park that that that serves like a flame, and the
Speaker 4: flame is to provide hope to folks African Americans that
Speaker 4: have done so much in our state and now they
Speaker 4: get an honest.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you guys are gonna have Charles L.
Speaker 1: Sifford on there's ye I think African American PGA golfer,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we so so to do stuff like that
Speaker 4: and to be able to take our kids to see
Speaker 4: tangible things.
Speaker 2: That you know what that you know, Dad built that.
Speaker 4: You know that gas station that you're pumping that gut
Speaker 4: dad Dad and uncle built Dad.
Speaker 2: So it's a it's legacy building. I love it. So
Speaker 2: it's a cool thing to do. I love it. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that's we tend to do things at least
Speaker 1: from a foundation standpoint or a charitable standpoint. You know,
Speaker 1: my daughter had a hard transplant back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, and I had my whole foundation set aside
Speaker 1: and we were doing education, but once she got sick,
Speaker 1: I decided to change it.
Speaker 2: It was we're more education based.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, my heart's not really an education,
Speaker 1: but I do want to keep my foundation and help
Speaker 1: these kids. So we ended up changing the mission statement
Speaker 1: and we started doing things in hospitals now. And I
Speaker 1: want you guys to talk about what you're doing and
Speaker 1: what your promise was, because I know you guys lost
Speaker 1: your mom when you guys were kids to cancer, and
Speaker 1: I want you, can you just talk about kind of
Speaker 1: what your foundation is doing right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Whole Brother's Foundation is our mission.
Speaker 4: We support young kids with a parent or guardian that's
Speaker 4: balance cancer. We lost our mom, Aillon Foma in nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety six. She was forty three years old, so we
Speaker 4: vowed to do something out of her name. Once I
Speaker 4: made it to the National Football League, won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 4: and then after the year after that, went to this
Speaker 4: meeting called Bear Essentials where it was all these families
Speaker 4: and these kids and these families that were going through cancer.
Speaker 4: And I had never been to a meeting like that.
Speaker 4: When my mother was diagnoseding was going through it. The
Speaker 4: only treatment we got was amongst each other, my brother
Speaker 4: and my sister, my pops, my uncle, my grandmother, everybody
Speaker 4: came around to take care of my mom. So, but
Speaker 4: we didn't have the twos the resources to know how
Speaker 4: to deal with that type of traumacach. Once cancer penetrates
Speaker 4: the home, that's trauma. May not be a trauma for
Speaker 4: my helmet hit, a head to head hit, but it's
Speaker 4: a disease and it's trauma to the crib. So a
Speaker 4: lot of those resources, a lot of the time for
Speaker 4: mom or dad goes towards trying to beat cancer, or
Speaker 4: mom or dad resting, a lot of time for kids. Well,
Speaker 4: kids need to develop, kids need to be social, kids
Speaker 4: need to be kids. So I went to this meeting
Speaker 4: and I was like, it was unbelievable the type of
Speaker 4: information that the parents were getting, also the type of
Speaker 4: information that the kids were.
Speaker 2: Getting on how to deal with and cope with cancer.
Speaker 4: And you went to this meeting because like y'all know,
Speaker 4: when y'all play, our community, folks would try to connect
Speaker 4: you to the community for things that resonated with you, right,
Speaker 4: And they know that toy mom had passed away from cancer,
Speaker 4: and they was like, hey, you probably should go to
Speaker 4: this meeting. You probably relate to this. And when he
Speaker 4: went to the meeting, that's when he So Marson Moran,
Speaker 4: who's our play development and handled all of the stuff
Speaker 4: that we get out in the community, took me to
Speaker 4: this went to this She suggested that I go to
Speaker 4: this meeting. So we went and I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: we don't have a program like this in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: Like the kids could benefit from something like this in
Speaker 4: North Carolina. I know I am in my twenties, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'm benefit benefit be infinite from it. Now at
Speaker 4: twenty some plus years old, I can only imagine what
Speaker 4: it'd be like if I was a kid and coming
Speaker 4: on up through the ranks. So we started started the
Speaker 4: foundation in two thousand, bought the program to North Carolina.
Speaker 4: It's called Kids Can. Kids Can still accomplish and achieve
Speaker 4: anything that they want though their parent are guardian is
Speaker 4: balance cancer and we work with area hospitals in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: We have programs that provide peer empathy, education, mental support
Speaker 4: to those families, and those families at the hospitals meet
Speaker 4: on a monthly basis. Terrence and I often attend those meetings. Again,
Speaker 4: these are it's our foundation, it's the families that we're supporting.
Speaker 4: We feel like we feel like that it's important not
Speaker 4: only to have your foundation, but be visible, yes, present,
Speaker 4: be present the time. Like the resources is cool, and
Speaker 4: we can generate a lot of resources, and we can
Speaker 4: bring a lot of resources to the foundation, but you
Speaker 4: can bring more than that by being present, being visible,
Speaker 4: spending the time building relationships with those families. So we're
Speaker 4: able to do it with those kids can families. So
Speaker 4: right now where we have what four programs in North
Speaker 4: Carolina and then one in Saint Louis, and we're just
Speaker 4: again just helping kids man give them the confidence, give
Speaker 4: them the information that they need to be able.
Speaker 2: To go on.
Speaker 4: And one of the other things about the foundation that
Speaker 4: we're really excited about too, is we have a scholarship
Speaker 4: program now. So the kids that go through the Kids
Speaker 4: Can program at ages six to seventeen. So a lot
Speaker 4: of those kids, once they finish high school have aspirations
Speaker 4: to go off to university. Well, again, the resources are
Speaker 4: dried up and maybe able to get some pension plant,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it to get some type of college
Speaker 4: education or some type of scholarship or something. So we say,
Speaker 4: you know what, it'd be cool if we take some
Speaker 4: of those dollars start a scholarship program and for kids
Speaker 4: that need a little extra push, we can provide a
Speaker 4: scholarship form and they can go off to university. So
Speaker 4: our foundation also provides scholarship dollars for those kids that
Speaker 4: go through the program. And I think we've now given
Speaker 4: over maybe one hundred some plus thousand dollars and scholarship
Speaker 4: funds to those kids in our programs. So that's the
Speaker 4: some of the that's the gist of what Hope Brother's
Speaker 4: Foundation it's all about. Again, we it's cancer centric certainly,
Speaker 4: but it's something near and deal to terrences my heart
Speaker 4: because my mom passed away.
Speaker 2: So it gives us great joy and it makes it
Speaker 2: you know, it makes it.
Speaker 4: Easier to go and to go out and the fundraise
Speaker 4: and to keep this thing going and and have the
Speaker 4: type of impact that we have.
Speaker 1: So you got Whole Brother Foundation, Hope Brother and Holt
Speaker 1: Brother Plumbing, Whole Brother.
Speaker 3: You got media.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Y'all got all the Whole Brother this and everything. But
Speaker 1: but I will say this two peanut, and I'll say
Speaker 1: to to our listeners. With your foundations found we've also
Speaker 1: found that having a foundation has also.
Speaker 2: Brought us business. Yeah, vice versa, vice versa.
Speaker 4: So so there's so there's as you as you get
Speaker 4: into continue to get into your business and continue to
Speaker 4: get into your career, you'll learn how how the two
Speaker 4: can can intersect and how the two can can help
Speaker 4: and play off each And we've done some things strategically.
Speaker 4: Where the foundation started out in two thousand as Toy
Speaker 4: Whole Foundation, and then it went to Hope Foundation, and
Speaker 4: then as part of a kind of global branding initiative,
Speaker 4: we changed the Whole Brothers Foundation again just to make
Speaker 4: the connection, and it resonate in part of the bringing
Speaker 4: the business stuff on with decisions that we made because
Speaker 4: we were very confident that the two could work off
Speaker 4: each other. But we never did a foundation because I mean,
Speaker 4: it's proof and it's evident because the foundation started in
Speaker 4: two thousand, But we didn't do a foundation to get business,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It just we had a foundation and then we started
Speaker 2: a business. Right. But we see that and I say
Speaker 2: this real quickly, too cut you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: You know, we often hear people often say to us
Speaker 4: how unique we are as a as a UH as
Speaker 4: a firm. It's because we do provide that foundation art right.
Speaker 1: So we're a for profit, but we also have a
Speaker 1: nonprofit arm as well, So we're obviously nonprofit.
Speaker 4: What we're going out and we're solictening to business and
Speaker 4: we're doing a service, but we're also doing a service
Speaker 4: with our foundation by building our community where we live,
Speaker 4: eat and play right. And so it's it's it's connected. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it is connected. And I was gonna say that's another
Speaker 4: thing about players that we oftentimes, as you talked about,
Speaker 4: you know, we start foundations before we finish our career.
Speaker 4: You know, we're helping, we're involved in the community. And
Speaker 4: it's again, it's a thing that makes us unique. And
Speaker 4: I talked about us not needing to change. But you
Speaker 4: can take that uniqueness right and you start a nonprofit
Speaker 4: again not just to do it, but for something that
Speaker 4: you feel that you can be just as good as
Speaker 4: you were in your sport and your crab. You can
Speaker 4: be good in creating this service. But what will happen
Speaker 4: is is because again you're so you support your community,
Speaker 4: and you've in supporting your community. When there's a choice
Speaker 4: between you know, Hope Brothers Plumbing versus uh Tillman and
Speaker 4: Harping Harper Plumbing, they might choose us because we've been
Speaker 4: in this community for because they know these dollars gonna circus.
Speaker 2: I don't want him.
Speaker 1: Look, I would just say this, Uh, A person I
Speaker 1: love and respect a lot is a pastor of Mind's Ain,
Speaker 1: Pastor Duran Gray. He said something so great and you
Speaker 1: guys have really hit it home today is that once
Speaker 1: you're affected by something, you become an advocate for us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you guys are talking about this with with
Speaker 1: the lymphon, with losing your mom and peanup with your
Speaker 1: daughter and everything like that. What is something that your
Speaker 1: mom has taught you to start with you that you
Speaker 1: still use and that you still have hold with great
Speaker 1: value and that you used in your everyday life.
Speaker 2: My work, my work ethic, it comes from my mom.
Speaker 4: I mean, not not that my dad, because my dad
Speaker 4: certainly wasn't a slouch and he was a he is
Speaker 4: a is a marine and was provided to I say
Speaker 4: careful not to say awarded, because you don't get awarded
Speaker 4: to purple Heart, but you definitely earn earned the Purple
Speaker 4: Heart might lose some flesh served in Vietnam. But our
Speaker 4: backbone to our house was our mom. And I to
Speaker 4: this day cannot remember a day that my moms worked.
Speaker 4: She worked at Glenn Raven Mills, and she got up
Speaker 4: five thirty in the morning, had to be work at
Speaker 4: seven to three, and she did it day in, day out.
Speaker 2: And so it's it's it's her work ethic.
Speaker 4: It's it's little that I know in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 4: we talked about kind of my mom being diagnosed with lymphoma.
Speaker 4: She was diagnosed in nineteen eighty six with on phone.
Speaker 4: I was six years old, he was ten, my sister
Speaker 4: was fourteen. Well, my mom was so strong that me,
Speaker 4: as a six year old tory them and my sister knew,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know. So cancer went into remission in
Speaker 4: eighty six and came back in ninety five. But my
Speaker 4: mom was going through keemo all of that in eighty
Speaker 4: six eighty seven or so, and getting up not missing work.
Speaker 4: And when we knew there was an issue was when
Speaker 4: my mom could not go to work. She came home
Speaker 4: in ninety five, she felt something in us stomach, something
Speaker 4: was going on, called off work, and two weeks later
Speaker 4: she knew something was going on. She went to go
Speaker 4: to the doctor and finally got the news that she regretted,
Speaker 4: which was that cancer had come back.
Speaker 2: But it was her work ethic that wrong.
Speaker 4: I can tell you, pen, I can tell you no
Speaker 4: matter the defensive drills wave, you know, backpedaling down the line,
Speaker 4: you know, from one side line to the other side line,
Speaker 4: how that would burn my quaus and your cuaus and
Speaker 4: all those kinds of things, and I think about my
Speaker 4: mom and I work at it. I'm out here getting
Speaker 4: paid to do this in the National Football League. So
Speaker 4: for me, it's that memory of her and her work
Speaker 4: ethic and her persevering with something that unlike mostly what
Speaker 4: we deal with was life and death. And the fact
Speaker 4: that here I am at thirty three years old and
Speaker 4: I'm facing a situation with life and death and I
Speaker 4: had these kids that are looking up to me and
Speaker 4: need me, but getting still getting up, working day in
Speaker 4: and day outs. Something that I pull from. I draw
Speaker 4: from when there's times that get rough, because if you
Speaker 4: sack and act first at you're going to have adversity.
Speaker 4: And so what are you drawing from? What's your source
Speaker 4: of inspiration? She has been and it is my source
Speaker 4: of inspiration. Yeah, I think for me and all of
Speaker 4: what Terrence said, but more importantly her example man like,
Speaker 4: you know, love their family, Listen to all her brothers
Speaker 4: and sisters, loved her kids, you know, with what as
Speaker 4: Terrence mentioned, with work, chemo, come home, come pick us
Speaker 4: up from school from basketball practice, drive us home, be
Speaker 4: at the games on Tuesday, bet the games on f
Speaker 4: Like we know, she's dead, tired, but her example of
Speaker 4: just being there, I think to me is what it's
Speaker 4: what's everlasting.
Speaker 2: When I think about my mom, it's her being there
Speaker 2: and just herle.
Speaker 4: She's always say to you know, you know people, you know,
Speaker 4: folks that have something to say about you, where you're
Speaker 4: doing good or bad, So you might as well keep going.
Speaker 2: That's great, you know, and do it.
Speaker 1: You do it with grace to do it with and
Speaker 1: do it with the smile is Terrence mentioned so well, well, look, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Cold brothers. By the end of the day, we'll have
Speaker 2: another hope electronics do something else.
Speaker 4: What it won't be because y'all do so well with
Speaker 4: sack and acts and in the way y'all transition. What
Speaker 4: it won't be is a podcast.
Speaker 2: All kill it.
Speaker 3: Guys for coming here, man, Terrence, I love you, guys. Luck.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to knock that door down, man. And
Speaker 1: probably the only person that's gonna be happier than you
Speaker 1: will be your brother.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have them come out, pull the cloth off
Speaker 2: the bus man.
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