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Speaker 1: a friend, to tell a friend, check us out. Terrence

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Speaker 1: and Tory Holt were just on the show. Amazing interview.

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Speaker 1: Today's interview. I'm super super excited to have a duo.

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Speaker 1: I think it's our first duo we've had on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Is really looking forward to it. We got my man,

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Speaker 1: my partner in crime, Charles P. Nut Tilman as always,

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Speaker 1: and today's guests. Let's go down the resume. All right,

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Speaker 1: it's the Holt brothers, both of these guys attended NC

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Speaker 1: State for I was a teammate with one of them,

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Speaker 1: the brother Terrence hol who I'm not gonna read off

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Speaker 1: his stats yet. I will go start with Tory Holt,

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Speaker 1: the brother, the wide receiver. Four time Hall of Fame finalists,

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Speaker 1: which means he's close. He's knocking on the door. Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl champion, seven time Pro bowler, two time All Pro,

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Speaker 1: led the league in receptions twice in the NFL's two

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Speaker 1: thousands All Decade Team.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, my boy, Terrence.

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Speaker 1: Holt, my favorite hole because my team for a year

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Speaker 1: came in taught me some ropes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: As an older guy, was always looking for that safety

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Speaker 1: to look up to. He was a great blend, a

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Speaker 1: great person. I get to bounce a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: ideas off love playing beside him. Hope was a fifth

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Speaker 1: and is and at the same time together as well

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Speaker 1: during Tony So uh Toys Toys Time. So welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Having us brothers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and like.

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, Toy you should be used to this,

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Speaker 1: all this coverage around, all these dvs around you in space,

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Speaker 1: So feel comfortable sharing today.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's certainly a pleasure to be here for sure.

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Speaker 4: When when when when making them reached out was like, yo,

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Speaker 4: the podcast, it's happening at the draft, which I would

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Speaker 4: be willing to join. I was like, can I bring

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Speaker 4: my bro? It's like, yeah, so good to have my

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Speaker 4: brother here? Is good to be able to be.

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Speaker 1: Able to be man still looking out for your little brother.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we do a lot together, man, a

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Speaker 4: lot of that. It's started from how we was raised.

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Speaker 4: You know, my mom and our dad was really big

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Speaker 4: on us being together. We got an older sister, so

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Speaker 4: you know, even though as guys, as boys, we competed

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Speaker 4: up man? Nice compete? You know, we still brothers. We

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Speaker 4: still we still show up the age difference real quick.

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Speaker 4: Four years and four years.

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Speaker 1: all right, So at what point does the younger brother

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Speaker 3: And like, how did these things start to happening?

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Speaker 1: Because I got all older brothers and I cannot I've

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Speaker 2: It's like this block. Yeah it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit bigger than he is, but you're

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Speaker 4: I was I was always chasing my brother. I always

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Speaker 4: wanted to be around my brother, and uh he oftentimes

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Speaker 4: So I'm hanging around guys that are eight years older

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Speaker 4: Older kids in the neighborhood helped develop his game physically

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Speaker 4: and kind of understanding that at some point you're going

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Speaker 4: continued kind of to this day us being business par

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Speaker 4: National Football League, which is you know, unique in itself

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Speaker 4: to have brothers that have played.

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Speaker 2: Even though we got a lot.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, it's just just a natural thing. He's doing something.

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Speaker 4: He's been very very uh nice and uh and and

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Speaker 4: it and uh and that's just how we do. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let me start this next question off. I'm

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Speaker 1: So we got, you know, right now where we get

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Speaker 1: that growth sexy going on right now.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's cool that you could, you know,

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Speaker 1: You have your brother to look up to, and then

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Speaker 1: I know probably when you got to the league you

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Speaker 1: you didn't just because you're the oldest and you're kind

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Speaker 1: And did you get that advice from that?

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Speaker 4: I think for me it was when I was running

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Speaker 2: You know, you know how how in practice? You know

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Speaker 4: Nah, Charlie, Charlie Clemens, excuse me, crush me.

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Speaker 4: It was like, yo, welcome to the NFL, young boy.

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Speaker 4: So for me physically, that was my welcome to the

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Speaker 4: National Football League. Mentally was playing in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: was my welcome to the National and that that was

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Speaker 4: from the door. So those are my two welcome to

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Speaker 4: the National Football League moments that stuck with me right

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Speaker 4: And for me, I had the fortune of I think

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Speaker 4: I was very happy with being considered a pros pro.

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Speaker 4: And that happened for me very early on because again

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Speaker 4: I was used to being in the locker room. I

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Speaker 4: carried myself in a certain kind of way where I was.

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Speaker 4: I was a gym rat. I stayed right across the

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Speaker 4: street from in Allen Park in Denborn. I was drafted

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Speaker 4: played with players like Robert Porchet and I remember, you know,

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Speaker 4: being around them, and man, you walking around here like

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Speaker 4: you a vet, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 4: ain't nobody pointing you or letting you having to tell

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Speaker 4: you where to go? Well, I'm spending so much time

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Speaker 4: of things. But my moment to welcome to the NFL

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Speaker 4: It's just the rookies that are there, and everybody's talking about, well, it's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be different when the when the Vets come here.

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Speaker 2: And you had your O.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know that's me a little nervous. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said, it's some anxiety to come with that, like

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Speaker 1: to day. You know this this is the league and

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Speaker 1: we you know we running on. I mean you ran

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Speaker 2: Off the field when you was in college. But it's

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Speaker 2: just tempo.

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Speaker 4: Everything's tempo period to period, and everybody's trying to get

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Speaker 4: you used to the NFL life. And they were saying,

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Speaker 4: OTAs hit, come the hit, come the vest. And again

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Speaker 4: we in shells and in team drill.

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Speaker 2: I'm out there.

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Speaker 4: We're going against the first team offense and Corey Schlessinger,

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Speaker 4: he finishes the drill. We got the ball maybe forty

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Speaker 4: the end zone. And so we're being talked tag off

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Speaker 4: like you just was talking about. So I'm tagging off

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Speaker 4: and I had not got the memo with Corey Slessinger.

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Speaker 4: He's stiff form. So all I got is I had

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Speaker 4: on running around. He's uh Detroit, right Detroit, running down

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Speaker 4: the field and Cory Slash. I go to tag in

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Speaker 4: kind of like you know, form tackle. I'm gonna breeze

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Speaker 4: by him, and he stiffs on My whole helmet come off,

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Speaker 4: pop off my head. That's how stiff is Stiff was

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Speaker 4: And it was kind of without him even saying welcome

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Speaker 4: to the NFL. Everybody else is saying like, welcome to you.

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Speaker 1: So in my in my thirteen years, you know, I

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Speaker 1: got my bumps and bruises, and I'm gonna look into

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Speaker 1: my camera right here and I'm I'm gonna show my

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Speaker 1: little pinky that's all jacked up right now. So I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to you totally, and I'm looking at your finger

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Speaker 1: in your left hand and k look in that camera.

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Speaker 1: Show showed him that that thing right there, That's that's

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Speaker 1: what greatness looks like.

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Speaker 2: Yo. That's no chest. That's the ball. Never touches, never hands.

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Speaker 4: Only time, only time in traffic, because you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: you gotta in traffic, you gotta go up and body

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Speaker 4: the ball.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the collision allows you to catch the ball.

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Speaker 4: So but other than that, I'm using all my hands

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Speaker 4: to catch the football, like that's as receivers, that's our

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Speaker 4: job is to catch the football.

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Speaker 1: So I was very I've always been very, very comfortable

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Speaker 1: around the ball.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about this last night thing me in

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Speaker 4: London fletching and was talking and I used to sleep

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Speaker 2: I used to be just landing in the bed flipping

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Speaker 2: the ball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he knows that's throwing multiple tennis balls off

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Speaker 2: It because you didn't want to jump out your skins.

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Speaker 4: You can't hold limit to the badge of honor. We

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Speaker 1: So tell me this. How does it feel when when

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Speaker 3: But for your family, how much pride?

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Speaker 4: We we we look we look at like, how do

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Speaker 2: It's really cool.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to do what my brother wanted to do. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The type of career.

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Speaker 4: But for me, it was it was competitive because, like

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Speaker 4: So it was kind of that competition that was breeded

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Speaker 4: I lost the Super Bowl. Yeah, he wanted to go out.

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Speaker 4: He finally get back after all the media and all

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Speaker 4: This is how invested that I've always been in him,

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Speaker 2: Just whatever, bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: So I love that because that is my story growing

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Speaker 3: The only guy.

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Speaker 1: And so because that, and like you said, once somebody

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Speaker 1: like I didn't know I could achieve that. I thought

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Speaker 1: And so it's beautiful to hear you talk about that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you open up a floodgate with with competition.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm a baby and my brother would pick

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Speaker 2: There's a three year gap.

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Speaker 1: Difference, age difference, and I just was like, man, every

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Speaker 1: And it's funny y'all say that, though, But that was

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Speaker 1: From that moment on, I never lost to my brother

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Speaker 4: Me a good story. So one of the same, very

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Speaker 4: always been a challenge. I don't know that I can

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Speaker 2: I was y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.

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Speaker 4: We beat y'all, but y'all, I was. I was mad

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Speaker 3: Right everywhere, everything is just an antique.

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Speaker 4: Right man, So were grandma's house and uh, he and I,

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Speaker 4: Cut in his head that he can't we got to hide,

444
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Speaker 4: and we can't tell nobody. It was luckily enough it

445
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 4: had he didn't need any stitches or anything. But we

446
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: got more examples of stuff like that where we competed.

447
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 4: I'm telling you everything it didn't matter.

448
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: We didn't even have to have.

449
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 4: And that's why we get on our kids now oftentimes,

450
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 4: where kids need to be set up with with everything.

451
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 4: You got to have a baseball glup to play baseball

452
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 4: or or back to play baby.

453
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Speaker 2: We went got sticks we had we had we didn't.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my driveway is on a slant, and my wife's

455
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Speaker 1: like we shouldn't even have a basketball goal because like

456
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Speaker 1: it's not it's on a slant.

457
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Speaker 2: I played on grass.

458
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Speaker 1: Already doesn't matter, and so often I call it so

459
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: many of our kids and we're blessed, we're fortunate.

460
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Speaker 2: I get it.

461
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of first world problems on this conversation, right,

462
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: But they live on a.

463
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Speaker 3: Yacht, ye, and so they don't know.

464
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Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell somebody that lives on the

465
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Speaker 1: yacht that you know, your life is not not that

466
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 1: it's bad when you.

467
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Speaker 3: Know, that's all they life exactly.

468
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 4: And to this day, we you know, we still are

469
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Speaker 4: very competitive, but we're respectful and we certainly have reached

470
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Speaker 4: an age which competing against one another it's kind of less.

471
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Speaker 4: We're kind of competing and have challenges that are oftentimes

472
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Speaker 4: versus you know, in business together that are that are

473
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: that are versus other obstacles, and so we're more or

474
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Speaker 4: less coming together to strategize on how collectively we're going

475
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Speaker 4: to overcome something that, you know, whatever challenge it is

476
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Speaker 4: that we're facing that particular day.

477
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Speaker 1: So I like that, all right, We're gonna put a

478
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Speaker 1: pin in that because I want to get into the

479
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Speaker 1: business ventures in a second. But before we get that,

480
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the greatest show on turf?

481
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Speaker 1: And so what was that like when you first show

482
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 1: up and it becomes because I don't think you guys

483
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: were called the greatest show on turf? Util how you

484
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: got showed up your rookie year and you know, you

485
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: guys are doing the dance, the bobb and weave and

486
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Speaker 1: then you were also I give you guys another thing

487
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Speaker 1: you got that receiving core was the first receiving corps

488
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Speaker 1: I ever remember that nobody cared about yack like you

489
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: guys just caught the ball and got down. We called

490
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Speaker 1: it bomb shelter.

491
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Speaker 2: We bomb shelter.

492
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Speaker 3: That very unique.

493
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Speaker 4: That kind of started happening a little later on in

494
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Speaker 4: our career because you know, we dealt with so many

495
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 4: coverages many you know, I took some shots in the

496
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: National Football League. Unfortunately I didn't take a ton of percussions,

497
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 4: but I took some legitimate shots across the league. So

498
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 4: at times I thought, you know, like your primes others

499
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 4: talk about made it the business decision. At times I

500
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 4: made those business decisions whether I was going to try

501
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: to over exert myself and extend and get banged, or

502
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: go ahead and be smart take what I got live

503
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: to play another down. I thought it was the eventually

504
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 4: you got the first ones to really like and then

505
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: eventually bomb.

506
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Speaker 2: On you the next next thing, you know, I mean

507
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: your end zone.

508
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: So but in terms of my introduction into the team

509
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: with the greatest showing turf for me, I had Isaac Bruce,

510
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 4: Ricky prol Aza Quem guys when I.

511
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: Came into the room that were true pros, true.

512
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 4: Vets, and was really good wide receivers in all fasts

513
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 4: of the position. So I had a luxury of seeing

514
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 4: that every day. So as long as I felt, as

515
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: long as I stayed the course, I could become that

516
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 4: complete receiver because I was seeing it in my room

517
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 4: every day. Now, a lot of these young guys that

518
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: are coming into their rooms, they're all young, so they're

519
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 4: all teething each other and they're learning as they go,

520
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 4: whether they're having a true sometimes having a legit vet

521
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: in the room that can kind of set the tempo

522
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: the room, set the temple in practice, you know, accountability.

523
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: Just showing you the way every single day.

524
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Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to have that in our room

525
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 4: and on the team, guys like brother Ray Agnew who's

526
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 4: naw with the Detroit lines. Kurt Warner was Kurk Marshall

527
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 4: Orlando Pace who was dominant. I had the luxury of

528
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 4: watching the Lando dominate guys because I played the X

529
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 4: so I'm right on the ball.

530
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Speaker 1: I could see the left tackle working. He was destroying Dominique.

531
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Speaker 3: He's a big human, it's like a bear.

532
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: But general Johnto he is so like hey, yeah, but

533
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: he's so solid.

534
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl for the first time and I was like, man,

535
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: this is huge man.

536
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: And he was a tremendous athlete.

537
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 4: You know, you play basketball, so I had a luxury

538
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: of you know, watching, watching, So seeing that on a

539
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 4: day to day basis, Man, if you love ball and

540
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: you're competitive and you want to be you know, established

541
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: at that at your position, establishing the game, it's like, man,

542
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: I gotta.

543
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: Do do what they do with more so.

544
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: Having that and then seeing how we formed and how

545
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: we jailed, I think how we became the greatest show

546
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 4: on turf. Our practices, Like, our practices are greater than

547
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 4: we had some awesome games, but our practices were even greater.

548
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: To me, That's where the greatest show to me was born.

549
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: It was how we practiced, how unselfish we were, we

550
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 4: celebrated each other. Yeah, which was which which was? Our

551
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 4: coaches used to just tell us how rare that was,

552
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: Like we can't believe, like like no one's tripping over

553
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 4: who's getting off? Like every when one get off, everybody

554
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: got off right. And then another thing too, what extended

555
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: beyond the playing field for us too, like as as

556
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 4: that with that championship group and that greatest show in

557
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: term group, all of us both offensively and defensively, we

558
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: had a bond like we hung with each other, like

559
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: we spent time on one another outside of the ball.

560
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know where I feel, You know how I

561
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: feel about the game.

562
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: So that's how That's what I was introduced to as

563
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Speaker 4: a rookie. So you gotta only imagine what my expectations

564
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: were going to be each year, right that we had

565
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: success or whether we didn't, I was just I just

566
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: had a good We had a good foundation of players

567
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Speaker 4: that showed us how to do it, and we had

568
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 4: a really good foundation of coaches. Coach Dick Vermeille, who

569
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: just went into the Pro Football Hall of Fame was

570
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 4: the head coach, and Mike Marsh and those guys. Mike

571
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 4: coach Marsh was phenomenals was offensive coordinating guys on defense.

572
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: But we had a good collective of players where football

573
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: meant something to them.

574
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: So for a rookie, it was good to get that

575
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: kind of tutelage early.

576
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Speaker 1: I think everybody I've spoken to who has been to

577
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl or if won a Super Bowl, they

578
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: always talk about how dope or how amazing that locker

579
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: room is. They hang out outside of the lockero. It's

580
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's a must. I feel like if

581
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: you don't do that, you're not You're not You're not

582
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: going to be tough. It's gonna be extremely tough. And

583
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: then can we just talk about you talked about he's

584
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: got induct uh Dig Vermilion, he got inducted to the

585
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Like, can we just talk about the

586
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: Hall of famers on that team real quick? So you

587
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: got Dig Vermilion, you got Isaac, you got Kurt, you

588
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: got Orlando Orlando Marshall, Marshall and Niance Williams and NaN's

589
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: was with us and on the championship. What is that five?

590
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: So what are you four? For?

591
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 1: A time finalists? Like I know you're you're you're knocking

592
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: your beating We just had Leu Ray Butler on the

593
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: show and he was really talking about and he really

594
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: gave a beautiful dection of what it meant for him

595
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: to finally get that knock. And I'm hoping, I'm praying.

596
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: I see your name every year for the last couple

597
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: of years and you you were damn You're so close

598
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: and looking at you like when you just run off

599
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: the stats earlier, I'm just like, man, this what is what? Why?

600
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: Who's ever.

601
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: Watching?

602
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: Like, let's do the damn things.

603
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: It's about I appreciate that. Yeah, and I appreciate it's

604
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: about that time. It's it's It's been a cool it's

605
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 4: been a cool journey.

606
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 2: Man.

607
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: I've been you know, you mentioned I've been a finalist

608
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: four years and just every year the process and just

609
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: learning something different and seeing how it all works.

610
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: Certainly certainly.

611
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: Excited for the guys that go they go in, but

612
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: it's always a level of dis important when you know

613
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: for sure. But I will say this, coming out of

614
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 4: this year, we feel like our team, my presenter who

615
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: was Who's how it balls and my team, we feel

616
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: like we are a step closer. So to your point,

617
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: we feel like it's going to happen soon, but it'll be.

618
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: It'll be an incredible moment to be you know, to

619
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Speaker 2: be able to.

620
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: Did you think it would be like this though?

621
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: Like did you think, like, yeah, maybe my work will

622
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: just speak for itself, absolutely certainly. Or there's a lot

623
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: of politics campaigning, and I still I want to still

624
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: explain a presenter as well, Like I didn't even know

625
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: you got to have a present Yeah, it's like so.

626
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Each each guy that goes in has a presenter, and

627
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: a lot of times it's someone that covered them at

628
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: that particular city of that particular team to beat right right,

629
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: so you know, so they have to go in and

630
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: present your case of why you should be a pro

631
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: Football of Fame. And to Peanuts point, my thing has

632
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: always been it's my work is done. It's it's all worthy,

633
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 4: great if it's if it's not, okay, I get it.

634
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: I think for me, the biggest joy that I get

635
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: out of continue to stay around the game, and as

636
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: I continue to talk to guys that I played against,

637
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 4: the respect that we show for each other for.

638
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: Playing the game. To me, y'all know that, y'all know

639
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: that means everything. It does when your.

640
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 4: Dude come up to you like yo, y'all know that

641
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: that shape and that hug like you're a bad boy,

642
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: that in the hall is the hall is great, But

643
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: that y'all know, means a whole hell of a lot.

644
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: So just just feeling that being on that wavelength is great.

645
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 4: I can only imagine with that and the hall and

646
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 4: wearing a jacket. I mean, it's it's icing in the cake.

647
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 4: And in regards to how we feel and play this

648
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: game and how we view.

649
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: It, at what point did you know when it was

650
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: time to hang it up? And I want you to

651
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: talk about the transition of not playing football.

652
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: This is what you've been doing your whole life.

653
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: You've been chasing your brother, You've had all these dreams,

654
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: you've accomplished so many things. Can you talk about that transition,

655
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: because that's what this play podcast is really it is

656
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: all about.

657
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: It is talking about the.

658
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: Second act and we all figuring out.

659
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: What to do next.

660
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: Sure, and kudos to both you all for doing this podcast,

661
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: because I mean it's the thing that every player will

662
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 4: go through and to hear players that played thirteen years,

663
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: eighteen years, fifteen years, whatever have you, and to know

664
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: that they may have the same struggles they've set themselves

665
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 4: up financially, they've played as long as they can play,

666
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 4: but they still struggle for a guy that maybe played

667
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 4: two years or six years or four years, where their

668
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: careers may have been prompted to stop, you know, because

669
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: they just couldn't make another team. But for me, I

670
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: had the fortune again of having my brother play income

671
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: before me and having advisors that had advised him, where

672
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: a lot of my transition started before I even took

673
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 4: a snap in an NFL. It was thinking about next

674
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: act and setting myself up on insurance and all those

675
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: kinds of things that at some point of your career

676
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 4: you have to start talking about. I was after my

677
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 4: rookie year finished. I was part of that inaugural class

678
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 4: that started to do some of the executive entrepreneurship kind

679
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 4: of programs where I went to Wharton and so there

680
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: was guys that were ten years, eleven years, twelve years

681
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: in here I am.

682
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: As a rookie, only rookie.

683
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: Youngest person twenty four years old, and there's thirty five,

684
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: thirty six, thirty seven year old guys in there at

685
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 4: this Wharton event in school to learn about kind of transition.

686
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: It was transitioning with success, and so I've always kind

687
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: of been ahead of the curve trying to think about

688
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: my next act, not hoping that it would come anytime soon,

689
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: but I got to prepare for it and start thinking

690
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: about it. But just like anybody else after my when

691
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 4: it was all said and done and free agency was

692
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: going in a way that I thought with not having

693
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: a lot of bites from teams and having my faculties.

694
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: I had had several concussions when I played, I had

695
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: had some injuries like knee and back and some of

696
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 4: those things. You know, One day I just kind of

697
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: looked around. It was like in February leading into March,

698
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: and like I said, I hadn't had a lot of

699
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: teams that had showed interest in communicating with my with

700
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: my agent, I was like, you know what, man, I

701
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: have done well, I've played six years. I had a

702
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: goal of playing ten years. I said, I, you know,

703
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 4: I just think it is it's time. I had just

704
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 4: gotten married and uh and finished in New Orleans and

705
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: going to that two thousand and nine season, I started

706
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: going to business conferences and just wanting to just just

707
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: learn like what's out there, Like, you know, what what

708
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: opportunities kind of suit and fit our needs. And we

709
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: had already started in seven a real estate business. We

710
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: were going to do house flips and it was called

711
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 4: Brothers Buildings was the name of the company, the LLC, the.

712
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: LLLC that we had started. And so we just started

713
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: to learn.

714
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: We had great business advisors and people that we've been

715
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 4: fortunate to be surrounded by to kind of talk to

716
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: us and UH and that we could trust that wasn't

717
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: in it to have us invest in something that they

718
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: wanted to do. And that's oftentimes what players can be

719
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: surrounded around is people that they trust that are in

720
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 4: it for themselves to say, you know what, let's take

721
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: I can make your money work for you. You know what

722
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Just invest in me and invest in it.

723
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: And for us, it was investing in ourselves and knowing

724
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: that we had to drive and the ambition to do

725
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: something to go beyond what we had done with.

726
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: Our sports careers. And so fast forward to that.

727
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 4: You know, for me, I just and with my wife's support,

728
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: because I went through a period where I was down.

729
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: I didn't have a locker room to support me and

730
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: pick me up. So I probably I told my brother this,

731
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: I probably I didn't.

732
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: I don't.

733
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it was depression, but I probably

734
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: was going through depressions, you know what I'm saying, And

735
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: so I had to find that next thing. And I

736
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: think what has helped me and me and Tory talk

737
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: about this all the time is if you're trying to

738
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: get in one big bite all of the joy that

739
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: you get, an accomplishment you get from playing in the

740
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: National Football League and running out there on the field

741
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: with eighty five thousand people either booing you or cheering

742
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 4: for you, you're probably going to be disappointed. What you have

743
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 4: to do in transitioning and your second act is those

744
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 4: small bites and those small wins and kind of collectively

745
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: putting together whether it's business that you're doing, whether it's

746
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: being able to be the dad that you you know

747
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: wanted to be or you couldn't be when you know,

748
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: when you had football kind of taking up so much

749
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 4: of your time, volunteering, it's things of which you know

750
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 4: ingratiating yourself into your community, things like that that I

751
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: think those collectively can put together a nice little mix

752
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 4: of stuff that can give you the pleasure of planning

753
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: and not not replace. It's it's something that you know

754
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: that most people don't do, but it can give you

755
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: the pleasure of filling your day with small wins and

756
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: things that you can you can find a career and

757
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: find a second act out of and for me and

758
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: for us that we did. We went around business conferences,

759
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: got business advisement, and then landed rather than the real

760
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: estate company on construction.

761
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: And there was.

762
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: Opportunities for both public and private projects that could benefit

763
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: from diversity and inclusion and from a minority owned company

764
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: like Whope Other's construction. And so we went about that

765
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: course of pursuing public and private opportunities. And eleven years later, Man,

766
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: we've kind of grown our kind of revenue, pushing kind

767
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 4: of like nine figures now and in some big opportunities

768
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: in front of us. And it's it's just been just

769
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 4: like our careers, where we we've grown. Each year, we've evolved,

770
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 4: we've learned, we've gotten better, we've got craftier, got smarter.

771
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: We've had some some things that we've not done well,

772
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: but we've learned from those and we feel like we've surrounded.

773
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: Ourselves with a really, really really good team.

774
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: They are really what make Toy and I successful and

775
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: we have the benefit of all the lessons that we've

776
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: learned and people that we've talked to coaches being coached.

777
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 4: We have that, and we are in the position now

778
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: to coach, to coach and own and UH and stepping

779
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 4: in the fray when we need to to UH to

780
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 4: provide a plan of action and the course of action

781
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: and letting people grow and work and and all those

782
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: kinds of things. So that's that's really what's been been

783
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 4: beneficial for us and been helpful for us.

784
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that kind of give us that whole

785
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: what you guys are up to a little bit more so,

786
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: and what I was thinking of before I kind of

787
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: lost my thoughts. What you said was so true is

788
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: that the respect mutually from your peers and being called

789
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: a true pro. That's like the ultimate college pro for

790
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: football players. A lot of times in locker rooms like well,

791
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: I just want to be called the pro pro pro.

792
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because when when he when he and

793
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 4: I had this conversation with my kids. When Terrence was

794
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 4: in high school, I talked to him as a high schooler.

795
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: When he was in college, I talked and treated him

796
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: as he was a high school when he was in

797
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: college when he came to the pros, All that's over.

798
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: You're a pro now, Yeah.

799
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: Like it's a whole and it's a whole level of

800
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: expectations and you got to do it every day, your

801
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: pro the expectations for you to show up every single day.

802
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: And I tell my and now I'm having that conversation

803
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 4: with my daughters. I'm not I'm not talking to you

804
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: like I talked to you and he was in high school.

805
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: I'm talking to you now you're in college. Dad hasn't

806
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: been through that. Mom has been through that, and we

807
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 4: and we speaking that way. And as you move up.

808
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 4: So I just want to I just wanted to share.

809
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 4: I just want to just want.

810
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: To shut and I appreciate that. And then, you know,

811
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: just talk about your transition a little bit. I mean,

812
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: what made you decide to retire when you did. I

813
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: mean you're still productive your last year. I think you

814
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: believe fifty.

815
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: And you're like, you know what, I'm good, I'm ready

816
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: to go.

817
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, my body, my knees told me, yo, you just

818
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: time for you to be be done.

819
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Do it.

820
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: Lot of turf days, you know, lot of t yeah,

821
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: you know a lot of you know, I've had surgeries,

822
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: had issues. I came into to the pros with with

823
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 4: the knee issue that I suffered down at the Yeah,

824
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: and so I knew early on that I would have

825
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: knee issues. And because of the way also how I

826
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: practiced and how I played and how we cut and moved.

827
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: As a receiver, you gotta do a lot of bend

828
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 4: and a lot of cutting. So I knew I had

829
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: a certain window. So with that, with me knowing that,

830
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: anticipating that, that old me to really in that window

831
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: that I had was the goal as hard as I

832
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 4: possibly could be, as consistent, bes as dominant as I

833
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: possibly could. So it was my nees that my health

834
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: is what took me out, which was fine, you know,

835
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 4: I because.

836
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: Again I I anticipated it happening. I knew it was coming.

837
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 4: When it does, it's it's not what we what we want,

838
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 4: but it's reality.

839
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: It is reality. Yeah.

840
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I spoke to coach Belichick about it, and

841
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: you know, and we came up with a plan and

842
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 4: and remember calling home, calling my wife, calling my grandmother,

843
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: calling Terians, calling my pops. Hey, this was the day.

844
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: It was, you know, this was yeah, I was this

845
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: is it, This is it? I was coming from a

846
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: business conference and he called, and uh, it was. It

847
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: was kind of a pregnant pause there where it was

848
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: like he said.

849
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: Man, I'm done, and I knew it was. I knew

850
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: it was serious. It's heart in his voice. Oh man,

851
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: it was. It was.

852
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 4: And when he said he was done, it was it

853
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 4: was we done. It was right because I had transition

854
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: before him. And what I was gonna say. The funny

855
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 4: thing about transition, I'm chasing my brother, right, I'm always

856
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 4: coming after my brother, middle school, high school, college pros.

857
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: This is the first time that I was able to

858
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: go before him, so I was able to talk to

859
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: him about transition and what it was going to be like.

860
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: And I never forget telling him. The thing that he'll

861
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 4: have to do, that we'll have to do, that I

862
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 4: had to do is humble ourselves because we're we're you know,

863
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: being down back around the draft and going to the

864
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: super Bowl and all those kinds of things. Oftentimes we

865
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 4: are not because we asked for but we're put on

866
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: a pedestal and we you know, we're these nice hotels

867
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: and there's fans and there's people doing a whole lot

868
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 4: of stuff for you. When you transition and you go

869
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: back into the home, and not that you're out of

870
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: the home, but there's nobody cheering your name, you know,

871
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: and you gotta be okay with that little quieter.

872
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: You know. It's and and when you step in the

873
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: business people may.

874
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: Allow and set up a meeting with you because again

875
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: that they know you and and and kind of appreciated

876
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 4: the career that you had. But when they're talking about

877
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: giving you a business opportunity, that ain't got nothing to

878
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: do because you caught you know seven again, if it's

879
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 4: there's money that you're spending, they want a return on

880
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: their investment. They want a service that isn't keeping with

881
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: that car. So I was telling my brother at these

882
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: business conferences, it's people that you.

883
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: Know, will chew you up elevator speech, what do you do?

884
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: And and and and to that point, we went to

885
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 4: an event and I wasn't ready.

886
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't ready. I got humble, Yeah, real quick,

887
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: real quick, I went. I told him. I was like, man,

888
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: I ain't nothing. Man I ain't never felt like that.

889
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: It was discurious because because the guy, the guy was

890
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: kind of go ahead. You know, it wouldn't have been

891
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: no different if he came on my turf in the

892
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: Pro Bowl and he you know, and then I'm on

893
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: his turf as a as a businessman. I wasn't ready,

894
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 4: you know, in my mind, I'm thinking, I am okay,

895
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: here I am.

896
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: You know, I canna man. I didn't even know how

897
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: to I had to learn how to talk the language

898
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: business culture.

899
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: How long did it take you say, like, well, how

900
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: long did it take you to figure that out? During

901
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: that transition phase? Like say, okay, I retired January one,

902
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: and then you're talking to your brother.

903
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: He's giving me some advice. Did you sit out a year?

904
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 3: Did you wait a year?

905
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: Did you? Or do you get right into it? You know?

906
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 4: I was was, I was done and I was probably

907
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: a couple of years out. Oh we actually really went

908
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: into that, So I was, I was done. I was

909
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: done in my after going into the Old nine season.

910
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 4: We started the business in October seventeenth, twenty eleven, is

911
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 4: when we got going. But we were but we were

912
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: in it. But we were going around taking coffees, lunch,

913
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: then us with people to tea to tell us before

914
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: we spend money, tell us we'll pay for coffee, lunch

915
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 4: and dinner. To get lessons. How do we come into

916
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: this construction industry, what's the best way How minority minority

917
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: companies or companies, small companies have they failed you know

918
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: what I mean? How have they been able to carve

919
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: out an identity for themselves to be known for something.

920
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: We're going around asking architects, engineers, potential clients, and other

921
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: general contractors. Construction managers look like that just like us.

922
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: And what ended up happening, which is the greatest thing,

923
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 4: is just like with a coach, where a coach see

924
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 4: that a player has invested and they'll come to them

925
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: for extra work or extra tips. That's what we were

926
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: getting from those people. We were seeking counsel front as

927
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: they seen we went into it and this was not

928
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 4: a place where we were just throwing money or we

929
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: were going to own the company and never be seen

930
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: and throw money at it.

931
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 2: And stuff like that.

932
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 4: They seen our personal investment and interest in coming back.

933
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 4: And if a guy told us or girl told us,

934
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: young lady told us to be hey, come to this

935
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 4: conference and it's in San Diego, but come to this conference,

936
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: what was happening was they was testing us.

937
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: Yep, we show.

938
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 4: Up, We on time, We suited and booted, you know,

939
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: were seeking knowledge, were there. First thing is show up

940
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: and y'all know like I know, in our sport and

941
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: for our meetings, coming to a meeting and just showing

942
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 4: up a meeting and eating clock. That ain't it, you

943
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Eight o'clock you late. If the

944
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 4: meetings started at eight and you dad, eight, you late.

945
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: So we showing up fifteen minutes early, attentive, ready to go.

946
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 4: People started to invest in us, they started champion us.

947
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: And that's really the thing that helped here and I

948
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 4: grow to lead our team is we needed some executive

949
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 4: coaching too, you know what I mean, We needed to

950
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: be poured in. And I would say for our for

951
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 4: our current and former players and legends alumni is listening

952
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 4: to this podcast, I think you have to allow yourself

953
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: to be humbled and allow yourself to be able to

954
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: work through transitional coaching for a professional career outside of

955
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 4: foot ball, like to give yourself the grace to learn.

956
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 4: Because again, like I said, I wasn't ready for some

957
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: of those business conversations. I'll be back to towns like

958
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 4: some of that shit. But it made me like okay,

959
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: all right, and my my plan days I ain't letting

960
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: I ain't letting them stay happen again. You know what

961
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like that'd be the last time coach gonna

962
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: say that, say something about that.

963
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: So you just learn to clean it up. You learn

964
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: to get better.

965
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 4: But you got to give yourself to grace to do that,

966
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 4: and you got to know what you do. That was

967
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: the biggest thing is people asking what do you need

968
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 4: to know what your business does? And you got to

969
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 4: do it in a concise way because you might have

970
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 4: the benefit, especially at these big conferences where people meeting

971
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: a lot of people, you may have the ear of

972
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 4: an executive or CEO for sixty seconds you're coming down.

973
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: That's why it's call e because everybody, everybody, everybody want

974
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: to chat.

975
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: Everybody want to and what the and the thing I'll

976
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 4: say to players in their sacond act, if it's business,

977
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 4: if it's you know, uh, philanthropic work, whatever is. What

978
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 4: we learned very quickly was while humbling ourselves is something that.

979
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: We needed to do.

980
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 4: We didn't need to fray from who we are and

981
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: what happens is is in business right if you know,

982
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: everybody goes toward and everybody goes to Howard or whatnot,

983
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 4: and they are betrayed to be these business folks. Their

984
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 4: dim a dozen't like they've gone the path towards being

985
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: the business people we are.

986
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: What we had was that we were unique.

987
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: And what you'll learn in doing business and trying to

988
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 4: do businesses that ninety percent of the discussion that you

989
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: may be have that you may have with somebody has

990
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 4: nothing to do with that business you're talking, you know, sports,

991
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 4: topic of the day, and being unique and having something

992
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: to talk about other than the widget or the thing

993
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 4: or business culture and discussion made us stand out. And

994
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 4: so that's what I say to players is don't worry

995
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 4: about changing who you are.

996
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: Be who you are. It's that uniqueness.

997
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 4: It's gonna be different and gonna make you stand out

998
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 4: amongst everybody else.

999
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: But be ready.

1000
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: Once in that ten percent of that discussion, you got

1001
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 4: to know your business right and come with what you want?

1002
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: What do you want? What are you trying to get

1003
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 4: out of this meeting. We shouldn't just be meeting just

1004
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 4: to meeting. You're dealing with somebody's time. It might be

1005
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 4: an hour, thirty minutes, twenty minutes. What do you want

1006
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 4: and don't be afraid that tell people what you want?

1007
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 4: How can you help me more? People will help you

1008
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: if you open your mouth rather than you just again

1009
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: not open your mouth and don't utilize that meeting or

1010
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 4: that time that people have.

1011
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: All I can say is wow, I like that you

1012
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: just said. It seems like and You're not the first

1013
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: person to do this. I'm the same way I think

1014
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: you are too. When we retire and we get out

1015
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and we get into that transition and then we get humbled,

1016
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: we somehow get back into how we prepared, how we

1017
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: got to the league. I'm sure you do it when

1018
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: you do your notes and stuff right when you on TV,

1019
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: and it's just like, no, hold on, hold on that,

1020
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: I got to teach you thse real quick. Like we

1021
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: we we get into that, all right. I know I'm

1022
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: not in the league no more, but I got to

1023
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: get back into that I'm in the league mentality mentally

1024
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: of how we prepare, Like I think, like all just naturally.

1025
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 4: Do that, like once we came to the professional football league,

1026
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: once we once we became professionals repros for the rest

1027
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 4: of our life, y'o.

1028
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: For sure, it's a great point.

1029
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: And whatever we do, it's a great point because we

1030
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: only know one way it's like fight or flight, and

1031
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: there ain't no flight.

1032
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: You're dealing with a pro. Yeah.

1033
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: And that's why I encourage guys that your sack and

1034
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: act can be better than your first Yeah. Yeah, right now,

1035
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: because now we hopefully you've done right by your money.

1036
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: You are able to invest in yourself and able to

1037
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: multiply what you have, and like I said, humbling yourself,

1038
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: asking people for what you want and preparing like you

1039
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: knew you had to prepare if you were a safety

1040
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: or a corner and you had to go against the

1041
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: best receiver or the tight end or the running back

1042
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: or whatnot, you wasn't just showing up.

1043
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: And it's the same thing with businesses. Do your homework,

1044
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: especially on who you meeting. If somebody sends you a meeting, invite,

1045
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 4: what's the agenda, what we're gonna talk about, ask about

1046
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 4: it right. I'm not going in a meeting that I'm

1047
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: not having no kind of understanding the way we mean

1048
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: about exactly.

1049
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: I think that's very important to you try and encourage

1050
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are going through that transition

1051
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: to you know, a lot of us are fearful of

1052
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: the unknown, sure, and so a lot of times you know,

1053
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you've great, You've given some great nuggets talking about you know,

1054
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: be who you are, right and I've got some advice

1055
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: that Hey, look man, some of you guys are stars.

1056
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 3: Naturally.

1057
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: People will be attracted to you because you're a natural star.

1058
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: And when you dim your life, other people can't shine.

1059
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: So when you shine and continue to be who you are,

1060
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: it lets everybody in the room shine and be seen.

1061
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: So continue to lean into who you are. I think

1062
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: you guys have really hit that on the head. And

1063
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: for me, I would like to know about, you know,

1064
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,479
Speaker 1: the Whole Brothers, Inc. And when you started this thing,

1065
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: did you guys have any like initial goals and have

1066
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: you achieved those goals in what is your trajectory or

1067
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the future plans for it? Sure we certainly had goals,

1068
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, we knew they would change kind of over time,

1069
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: of course, but we had read all the business metrics

1070
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: of you know, if you can make it three years

1071
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: and you can make it, you know, we heard all

1072
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: those things.

1073
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 4: We've evolved, We've a changed, We've we've got more focus.

1074
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: Whole Brothers Inc. When we started was kind of the

1075
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 4: parent company for LLC's like Whole Brothers Football Whole Brother's

1076
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: Development and Whole Brother's Construction LLC. And then we've had

1077
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: before Whople Brothers Inc. Was born, we had Whole Brothers Foundation, Inc.

1078
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 4: Which is an affiliate two hours. That's a lot of websites. Yes,

1079
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 4: but but we've narrowed our focus where our primary businesses aren't.

1080
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: We're not doing anything with the development company like going

1081
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 4: after any real estate deals. And we used to do

1082
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 4: camps and clinics with the Football Company and COVID happening,

1083
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: and so we kind of not doing much with the

1084
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 4: with the Football Company, and so it's construction and it's

1085
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 4: foundation and so sometimes narrowing your focus is part of

1086
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 4: that game plan too, and you learn that over time,

1087
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: like only got so much bandwidth, right, and I can

1088
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: keep trying to chop at everything, or I can narrow

1089
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: my focus and I can get something done. And sometimes

1090
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 4: again getting something done is the motivation to keep going

1091
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: versus being so spread out. And so we did that,

1092
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, we initially started with the goal

1093
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: of doing work in a certain kind of way, like

1094
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: like we just wanted to do college and university work,

1095
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 4: where we've kind of spread Now what we're doing. Education

1096
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 4: is a big focus college and university, but we're also

1097
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 4: doing K through twelve, so we built kind of uh

1098
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: elementary schools, high schools. We've worked at our alma mater

1099
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 4: and done some cool projects. Now that that's a cool thing.

1100
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: We're getting to come home, come back home, and we're

1101
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: through some stuff.

1102
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 3: It probably means.

1103
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: A lot more mans.

1104
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: When you see a building that you could help construct

1105
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: on your old stumping grounds and campus, that's a lot.

1106
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: Of pridect you.

1107
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: It is.

1108
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I say me and Toory talk about this

1109
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 4: like I know my campus like I've never known my

1110
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: campus places. I never went on campus. You know how

1111
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: we all we got. If you're in sociology degree, which

1112
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 4: I was, I went through the buildings of a sociology and.

1113
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: I was going back to the degree.

1114
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 4: Football facility and the dining hall, those are the places

1115
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: I know. So now we've learned a whole lot more

1116
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 4: about campus because we're working on campus. But we've done

1117
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: do work for our city. We do parks and recreation.

1118
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: We're doing this cool project that I want to kind

1119
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: of elaborate on. It's called North Carolina Freedom Park, and

1120
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 4: it's the first and only park to commemorate the efforts

1121
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: of African Americans to the state of North Carolina. So

1122
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: all this time, there's no park in Charlotte, there's no

1123
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: park in Winston or all these other metros throughout our state.

1124
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 4: And it's on the doorstep of the governors because the

1125
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: governor's mansion is writ in Raleigh, North Carolina. That's our

1126
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 4: that's our capital. And so we're doing this park and

1127
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: it has all these on these pre cast wall, all

1128
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 4: these engravements of statements, quotes from famous African Americans that

1129
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: made significant contributions to our state. So we're working on that,

1130
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 4: and we've been working on that for the past year.

1131
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: We ride by it every day because it's just doorsteps

1132
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 4: from my office. So it's like watching paint dry, because

1133
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 4: stuff don't happen like that on the day. It takes

1134
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 4: some time. I've been in this project over a year,

1135
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 4: but to see that project come together and has this

1136
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: beacon of hope that is this stainless steel structure that's

1137
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: about forty foot that sits in the middle of the

1138
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: park that that that serves like a flame, and the

1139
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: flame is to provide hope to folks African Americans that

1140
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: have done so much in our state and now they

1141
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: get an honest.

1142
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you guys are gonna have Charles L.

1143
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: Sifford on there's ye I think African American PGA golfer,

1144
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: you know.

1145
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, we so so to do stuff like that

1146
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 4: and to be able to take our kids to see

1147
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 4: tangible things.

1148
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: That you know what that you know, Dad built that.

1149
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 4: You know that gas station that you're pumping that gut

1150
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 4: dad Dad and uncle built Dad.

1151
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: So it's a it's legacy building. I love it. So

1152
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: it's a cool thing to do. I love it. You know.

1153
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: The thing that's we tend to do things at least

1154
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: from a foundation standpoint or a charitable standpoint. You know,

1155
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: my daughter had a hard transplant back in two thousand

1156
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: and eight, and I had my whole foundation set aside

1157
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: and we were doing education, but once she got sick,

1158
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: I decided to change it.

1159
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: It was we're more education based.

1160
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: So I was just like, my heart's not really an education,

1161
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: but I do want to keep my foundation and help

1162
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: these kids. So we ended up changing the mission statement

1163
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: and we started doing things in hospitals now. And I

1164
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: want you guys to talk about what you're doing and

1165
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: what your promise was, because I know you guys lost

1166
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: your mom when you guys were kids to cancer, and

1167
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: I want you, can you just talk about kind of

1168
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: what your foundation is doing right now.

1169
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Whole Brother's Foundation is our mission.

1170
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 4: We support young kids with a parent or guardian that's

1171
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 4: balance cancer. We lost our mom, Aillon Foma in nineteen

1172
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 4: ninety six. She was forty three years old, so we

1173
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 4: vowed to do something out of her name. Once I

1174
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: made it to the National Football League, won the Super Bowl,

1175
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: and then after the year after that, went to this

1176
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 4: meeting called Bear Essentials where it was all these families

1177
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: and these kids and these families that were going through cancer.

1178
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 4: And I had never been to a meeting like that.

1179
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 4: When my mother was diagnoseding was going through it. The

1180
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 4: only treatment we got was amongst each other, my brother

1181
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 4: and my sister, my pops, my uncle, my grandmother, everybody

1182
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 4: came around to take care of my mom. So, but

1183
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 4: we didn't have the twos the resources to know how

1184
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: to deal with that type of traumacach. Once cancer penetrates

1185
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: the home, that's trauma. May not be a trauma for

1186
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 4: my helmet hit, a head to head hit, but it's

1187
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: a disease and it's trauma to the crib. So a

1188
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: lot of those resources, a lot of the time for

1189
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 4: mom or dad goes towards trying to beat cancer, or

1190
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 4: mom or dad resting, a lot of time for kids. Well,

1191
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 4: kids need to develop, kids need to be social, kids

1192
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: need to be kids. So I went to this meeting

1193
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, it was unbelievable the type of

1194
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 4: information that the parents were getting, also the type of

1195
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: information that the kids were.

1196
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Getting on how to deal with and cope with cancer.

1197
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 4: And you went to this meeting because like y'all know,

1198
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 4: when y'all play, our community, folks would try to connect

1199
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 4: you to the community for things that resonated with you, right,

1200
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 4: And they know that toy mom had passed away from cancer,

1201
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: and they was like, hey, you probably should go to

1202
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 4: this meeting. You probably relate to this. And when he

1203
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 4: went to the meeting, that's when he So Marson Moran,

1204
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 4: who's our play development and handled all of the stuff

1205
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 4: that we get out in the community, took me to

1206
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 4: this went to this She suggested that I go to

1207
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 4: this meeting. So we went and I was like, you know,

1208
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: we don't have a program like this in North Carolina.

1209
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: Like the kids could benefit from something like this in

1210
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: North Carolina. I know I am in my twenties, yeah,

1211
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: and I'm benefit benefit be infinite from it. Now at

1212
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 4: twenty some plus years old, I can only imagine what

1213
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 4: it'd be like if I was a kid and coming

1214
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 4: on up through the ranks. So we started started the

1215
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 4: foundation in two thousand, bought the program to North Carolina.

1216
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 4: It's called Kids Can. Kids Can still accomplish and achieve

1217
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: anything that they want though their parent are guardian is

1218
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 4: balance cancer and we work with area hospitals in North Carolina.

1219
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 4: We have programs that provide peer empathy, education, mental support

1220
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 4: to those families, and those families at the hospitals meet

1221
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 4: on a monthly basis. Terrence and I often attend those meetings. Again,

1222
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 4: these are it's our foundation, it's the families that we're supporting.

1223
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 4: We feel like we feel like that it's important not

1224
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 4: only to have your foundation, but be visible, yes, present,

1225
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 4: be present the time. Like the resources is cool, and

1226
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 4: we can generate a lot of resources, and we can

1227
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 4: bring a lot of resources to the foundation, but you

1228
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: can bring more than that by being present, being visible,

1229
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 4: spending the time building relationships with those families. So we're

1230
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: able to do it with those kids can families. So

1231
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 4: right now where we have what four programs in North

1232
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 4: Carolina and then one in Saint Louis, and we're just

1233
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 4: again just helping kids man give them the confidence, give

1234
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 4: them the information that they need to be able.

1235
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: To go on.

1236
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 4: And one of the other things about the foundation that

1237
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 4: we're really excited about too, is we have a scholarship

1238
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 4: program now. So the kids that go through the Kids

1239
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 4: Can program at ages six to seventeen. So a lot

1240
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 4: of those kids, once they finish high school have aspirations

1241
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: to go off to university. Well, again, the resources are

1242
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 4: dried up and maybe able to get some pension plant,

1243
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it to get some type of college

1244
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: education or some type of scholarship or something. So we say,

1245
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 4: you know what, it'd be cool if we take some

1246
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 4: of those dollars start a scholarship program and for kids

1247
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 4: that need a little extra push, we can provide a

1248
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 4: scholarship form and they can go off to university. So

1249
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 4: our foundation also provides scholarship dollars for those kids that

1250
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 4: go through the program. And I think we've now given

1251
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 4: over maybe one hundred some plus thousand dollars and scholarship

1252
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 4: funds to those kids in our programs. So that's the

1253
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 4: some of the that's the gist of what Hope Brother's

1254
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 4: Foundation it's all about. Again, we it's cancer centric certainly,

1255
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 4: but it's something near and deal to terrences my heart

1256
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 4: because my mom passed away.

1257
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 2: So it gives us great joy and it makes it

1258
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: you know, it makes it.

1259
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: Easier to go and to go out and the fundraise

1260
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: and to keep this thing going and and have the

1261
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 4: type of impact that we have.

1262
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: So you got Whole Brother Foundation, Hope Brother and Holt

1263
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: Brother Plumbing, Whole Brother.

1264
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: You got media.

1265
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1266
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: Y'all got all the Whole Brother this and everything. But

1267
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: but I will say this two peanut, and I'll say

1268
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: to to our listeners. With your foundations found we've also

1269
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: found that having a foundation has also.

1270
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: Brought us business. Yeah, vice versa, vice versa.

1271
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 4: So so there's so there's as you as you get

1272
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: into continue to get into your business and continue to

1273
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: get into your career, you'll learn how how the two

1274
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 4: can can intersect and how the two can can help

1275
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 4: and play off each And we've done some things strategically.

1276
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 4: Where the foundation started out in two thousand as Toy

1277
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: Whole Foundation, and then it went to Hope Foundation, and

1278
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 4: then as part of a kind of global branding initiative,

1279
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: we changed the Whole Brothers Foundation again just to make

1280
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 4: the connection, and it resonate in part of the bringing

1281
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 4: the business stuff on with decisions that we made because

1282
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 4: we were very confident that the two could work off

1283
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 4: each other. But we never did a foundation because I mean,

1284
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 4: it's proof and it's evident because the foundation started in

1285
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: two thousand, But we didn't do a foundation to get business,

1286
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

1287
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: It just we had a foundation and then we started

1288
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: a business. Right. But we see that and I say

1289
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: this real quickly, too cut you. I'm sorry.

1290
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 4: You know, we often hear people often say to us

1291
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 4: how unique we are as a as a UH as

1292
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 4: a firm. It's because we do provide that foundation art right.

1293
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: So we're a for profit, but we also have a

1294
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: nonprofit arm as well, So we're obviously nonprofit.

1295
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 4: What we're going out and we're solictening to business and

1296
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 4: we're doing a service, but we're also doing a service

1297
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 4: with our foundation by building our community where we live,

1298
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 4: eat and play right. And so it's it's it's connected. Yeah,

1299
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 4: it is connected. And I was gonna say that's another

1300
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: thing about players that we oftentimes, as you talked about,

1301
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 4: you know, we start foundations before we finish our career.

1302
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: You know, we're helping, we're involved in the community. And

1303
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: it's again, it's a thing that makes us unique. And

1304
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 4: I talked about us not needing to change. But you

1305
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 4: can take that uniqueness right and you start a nonprofit

1306
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 4: again not just to do it, but for something that

1307
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 4: you feel that you can be just as good as

1308
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 4: you were in your sport and your crab. You can

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Speaker 4: be good in creating this service. But what will happen

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01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 4: is is because again you're so you support your community,

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: and you've in supporting your community. When there's a choice

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Speaker 4: between you know, Hope Brothers Plumbing versus uh Tillman and

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01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 4: Harping Harper Plumbing, they might choose us because we've been

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Speaker 4: in this community for because they know these dollars gonna circus.

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Speaker 2: I don't want him.

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Speaker 1: Look, I would just say this, Uh, A person I

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Speaker 1: love and respect a lot is a pastor of Mind's Ain,

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Speaker 1: Pastor Duran Gray. He said something so great and you

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: guys have really hit it home today is that once

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Speaker 1: you're affected by something, you become an advocate for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so you guys are talking about this with with

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: the lymphon, with losing your mom and peanup with your

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01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: daughter and everything like that. What is something that your

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: mom has taught you to start with you that you

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: still use and that you still have hold with great

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: value and that you used in your everyday life.

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Speaker 2: My work, my work ethic, it comes from my mom.

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Speaker 4: I mean, not not that my dad, because my dad

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 4: certainly wasn't a slouch and he was a he is

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 4: a is a marine and was provided to I say

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 4: careful not to say awarded, because you don't get awarded

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: to purple Heart, but you definitely earn earned the Purple

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: Heart might lose some flesh served in Vietnam. But our

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01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 4: backbone to our house was our mom. And I to

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01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 4: this day cannot remember a day that my moms worked.

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 4: She worked at Glenn Raven Mills, and she got up

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01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 4: five thirty in the morning, had to be work at

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Speaker 4: seven to three, and she did it day in, day out.

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Speaker 2: And so it's it's it's her work ethic.

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Speaker 4: It's it's little that I know in nineteen eighty six,

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01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 4: we talked about kind of my mom being diagnosed with lymphoma.

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Speaker 4: She was diagnosed in nineteen eighty six with on phone.

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Speaker 4: I was six years old, he was ten, my sister

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01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 4: was fourteen. Well, my mom was so strong that me,

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 4: as a six year old tory them and my sister knew,

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01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 4: but I didn't know. So cancer went into remission in

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 4: eighty six and came back in ninety five. But my

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 4: mom was going through keemo all of that in eighty

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01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 4: six eighty seven or so, and getting up not missing work.

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01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: And when we knew there was an issue was when

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 4: my mom could not go to work. She came home

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 4: in ninety five, she felt something in us stomach, something

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 4: was going on, called off work, and two weeks later

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01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: she knew something was going on. She went to go

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01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 4: to the doctor and finally got the news that she regretted,

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01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 4: which was that cancer had come back.

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Speaker 2: But it was her work ethic that wrong.

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Speaker 4: I can tell you, pen, I can tell you no

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: matter the defensive drills wave, you know, backpedaling down the line,

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 4: you know, from one side line to the other side line,

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 4: how that would burn my quaus and your cuaus and

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 4: all those kinds of things, and I think about my

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01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 4: mom and I work at it. I'm out here getting

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Speaker 4: paid to do this in the National Football League. So

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Speaker 4: for me, it's that memory of her and her work

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01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 4: ethic and her persevering with something that unlike mostly what

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Speaker 4: we deal with was life and death. And the fact

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Speaker 4: that here I am at thirty three years old and

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Speaker 4: I'm facing a situation with life and death and I

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 4: had these kids that are looking up to me and

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 4: need me, but getting still getting up, working day in

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Speaker 4: and day outs. Something that I pull from. I draw

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01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 4: from when there's times that get rough, because if you

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01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 4: sack and act first at you're going to have adversity.

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Speaker 4: And so what are you drawing from? What's your source

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 4: of inspiration? She has been and it is my source

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01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 4: of inspiration. Yeah, I think for me and all of

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01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 4: what Terrence said, but more importantly her example man like,

1379
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 4: you know, love their family, Listen to all her brothers

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Speaker 4: and sisters, loved her kids, you know, with what as

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01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 4: Terrence mentioned, with work, chemo, come home, come pick us

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Speaker 4: up from school from basketball practice, drive us home, be

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01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 4: at the games on Tuesday, bet the games on f

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Speaker 4: Like we know, she's dead, tired, but her example of

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 4: just being there, I think to me is what it's

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Speaker 4: what's everlasting.

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Speaker 2: When I think about my mom, it's her being there

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Speaker 2: and just herle.

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Speaker 4: She's always say to you know, you know people, you know,

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 4: folks that have something to say about you, where you're

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 4: doing good or bad, So you might as well keep going.

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Speaker 2: That's great, you know, and do it.

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01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: You do it with grace to do it with and

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01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: do it with the smile is Terrence mentioned so well, well, look, man,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: Cold brothers. By the end of the day, we'll have

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01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: another hope electronics do something else.

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 4: What it won't be because y'all do so well with

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 4: sack and acts and in the way y'all transition. What

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 4: it won't be is a podcast.

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: All kill it.

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Speaker 3: Guys for coming here, man, Terrence, I love you, guys. Luck.

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: I can't wait to knock that door down, man. And

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01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: probably the only person that's gonna be happier than you

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: will be your brother.

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01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I have them come out, pull the cloth off

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01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: the bus man.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, Thank you, Thank you much, live, thank you guys

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: for listening. You know, with with every show we do,

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: in every guest we have, we try to make it

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: very authentic and just be vulnerable and open and secure

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Speaker 1: and make this a safe place for these guys to talk.

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: can't thank you enough. We are here to educate and entertain.

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,479
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01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,120
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01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,759
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Speaker 2: Give us a listen, hit that button, click it.

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