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I'm telling you 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 4: I'm ready. 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: And Ron Wilfleep. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't get any better than that leash the fjord. 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: A singular player in Cardinal's history, Pat Tillman was one 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: of the most unique people to ever walk amongst us. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: In fact, a statue stands outside the Cardinals stadium for 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 4: all to see, but very few know what's displayed inside 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 4: Cardinals HQ. A very special big red rage. We call 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: it our Cardinals Folktales Legendary Locker Edition, The story behind 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 4: the saving from an almost certain destruction of Pat Tillman's 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,639 Speaker 4: locker back in the day. You know, Cardinals Folktales Wolf 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: it's number one in the series, the story and rightfully 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 4: so of Pat Tilman's legendary locker that is now behind 29 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 4: glass outside the Cardinals locker room, essentially a museum piece. 30 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 4: And you also know, how what we like to say 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: about Cardinals Folktales, this Emmy Award winning series, that you 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: can't spell history without the word story. But what about 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: the word folktale? What does that mean to you? How 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 4: would you define it? 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Paully, that is a great question right there, right Well, 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: first of all, folk tes l it's got to be 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: a story. So it's got to be a story about 38 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: a human being, and it's got to be a story 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: about a human being doing legendary things. That to me 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: is my definition of a folk. 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 4: Tell and that would definitely define Pat Tillman, someone where 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: football did not define Pat Tillman. We both know that. 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 4: We both go back to the days when he was 44 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 4: a star at ASU and then a Cardinal's draft pick, 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 4: and to this day. Look, we're both asked about Pat Tillman. 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: I know you are. And what do you say when 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: people ask you about the late great Pat Tillman. 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, Polly, I just say, 49 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: let me tell you a story, because this really defines 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: who he is right here. And I tell him the 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: story about when I ran into Pat Tillman who was 52 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: walking out of a bowling alley pushing a ten speed 53 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: a bike with him, and I thought it was so weird. 54 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Pat, what's up man? How you doing? 55 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: You know? And he said hello? And I said, Pat, 56 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: what'd you do? Do you write your bike here? And he 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: said to me, yeah, I did. As a matter of fact, 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: I said, what do you live around here? He said no, 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: I live about ten miles that way. I said, you 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: rode your bike here and he said, yeah, I'm training 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: for a triathlon. Paul, I remember that training. Yes, he 62 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: was training for that. And I was like, Tilly, what 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: are you doing? I mean, you're an NFL player. Don't 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: you have enough challenge right there? He said, why are 65 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: you doing that? And he said, I just wanted to 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: test myself and challenge myself. That just blew me away, Paul. 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: And yet it says so much about. 68 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: Pat it does. In fact, all the cardinal strength coaches 69 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: at the time said, no, don't do it. That's counterproductive 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: to being a football player. The explosion you need. You 71 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: don't want to run marathons and do triathlons. And you 72 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: know what Pat did it. Anyway, Look, if you asked 73 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: me about Pat Tolman, I think of the epitome as 74 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: someone who thought for themselves, right. Yeah, they felt it 75 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: was ultra important educate yourself in so many different ways. 76 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: He had that insatiable curiosity about him. You know, you 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: think about Pat Tillman, not just the football player, but 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: the Pat Tillman scholars as someone who had a three 79 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: point nine gpa at ASU. He was always driven by 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: seeking knowledge, right, the need to experience life and what 81 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: he got out of his twenty seven years you could 82 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 4: only hope to get out of a full lifetime compared 83 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: to Pat Tillman. 84 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me, Paully too, it's just I've got 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: to bring it back, man, I got to bring it 86 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: back to the white lines, the football field, the grid 87 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: iron and mother grid iron and how tough Pat Tillman 88 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: truly was as a football player. I'm sorry. I know 89 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: what he did and the way he gave his life 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: for our country in service to so many others. But 91 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: for me, the fact that he walked in between those 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: white lines as well and endured so much and absorbed 93 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: so much damage while giving damage on the football field, 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: to me so impressed with him. That's my number one 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: takeaway from Pat. 96 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 4: He still holds the Cardinals all time record for tackles 97 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 4: in a season, more than two hundred and twenty tackles 98 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 4: in a single season. Think about that. This is a 99 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: seventh round pick in nineteen ninety eight. He came out 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: as a tweener. He was the Pac twelve Defensive Player 101 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 4: of the Year at ASU, But where was he supposed 102 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: to play in the NFL? So he lasted to the 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 4: seventh round. Remember his first training camp as a rookie Wolf. 104 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: We were in Flagstaff. He came in. He was held 105 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: bent on making a statement. He was telling him, you 106 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: need this physicality, you need my mentality, and he defied 107 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: the odds. He made the team and then started ten 108 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: to sixteen games as a rookie. 109 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: And then, of course his leadership and how he would 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: impact others. Paul guys around him were inspired by Pat 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: for so many different reasons. 112 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: We know his football career, we know his status as 113 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: an American hero, and we're going to get into all 114 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 4: that and his entire store how his legacy really is 115 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 4: captured in Pat Tillman's legendary locker. When we come back 116 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 4: on this very special edition, our Cardinals Folktales edition of 117 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage presented by santan for in Gilbert 118 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 4: and welcome back everyone into the Big Red Rage presented 119 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, I'm 120 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: Paul Calvic And as we noted off the top, our 121 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 4: game plan revolves around an encore presentation of Cardinals Folk Tales, 122 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: where we like to say it can't spell history without 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 4: the word story. Well, if you were to go from 124 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: the Cardinals radio studio about fifty yards to my left, 125 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 4: you would ait the Cardinals locker room, and before you enter, 126 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: you would see a locker behind glass. And there's a 127 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: reason why that locker once belonged to Pat Tilman. So 128 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: as we look at the makeup of NFL rosters and 129 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 4: we see long shot players and low round picks who 130 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: might be able to defy the odds, it's hard not 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: to think of the greatest Cardinals example of that. Ever, 132 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: at least to me, Cardinal's seventh round pick in nineteen 133 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 4: ninety eight, Pat Tillman. He was far from a lock 134 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 4: that year. He is considered a tweener between a linebacker 135 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: and a safety, but he had a plan make the 136 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: coaches take notice. And as someone who covered Pat both 137 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 4: ASU and the Cardinals, it was impossible not to notice Pat. 138 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: If it wasn't the hair flowing out of the helmet, 139 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: it was just his style of play with total abandon. 140 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: I mean, he didn't just wear pads, he used him. 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 4: So although we might know Pat's story, what's the story 142 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: behind the locker that was seconds away from total demolition. 143 00:07:49,080 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: Well here's that story. Cardinals Spoketales legendary locker. Every year 144 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: NFL teams conduct their fight for fifty three. That's the 145 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: size of an NFL roster, fifty three players, and those 146 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 4: names will always vary year to year, peck week to week. 147 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: But the Arizona Cardinals have a fifty fourth locker and 148 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: that name plate will never change. 149 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 7: Pat Tilban talk about a guy with a lot of heart. 150 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 7: Passion is kind of an important word for me, whether 151 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 7: it's you know, playing sports, or whether it's you know, 152 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 7: just living or whatever you're gonna do. 153 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 8: You should, in my opinion, you should be passionate matter 154 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 8: why do it. 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 9: He was pretty legendary just for being the guy he 156 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 9: was that being true to himself, challenging people around him, 157 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 9: you know, never being dull or just taking things for 158 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 9: granted or being complacent. He was always searching for knowledge. 159 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 6: I think it was important to save the locker. As 160 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 6: time goes by, you start to forget about things that 161 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 6: happened in history. I didn't want Pat to be. 162 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 4: Forgot legendary locker with the forever nameplate Pat Tillman. This 163 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: is Cardinal's Folktales, presented by seventy two sold where we 164 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: go in depth into Cardinal's history all time anecdotes through 165 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: the personal recollections and memories of those who lived in 166 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: We hear their words, their voices. My name is Paul Kelvic. 167 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: I've covered the Cardinals since late nineteen ninety five, the 168 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: end of the Buddy Ryan era. I've been the Cardinal's 169 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: sideline reporter since two thousand and five, and as I 170 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: can attest, you may think you know some of these 171 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 4: folk tale stories, but as I found out, as even 172 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: team historians have found out we don't like this story, 173 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: this folk tale revolving around the most widely known figure 174 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 4: in Cardinal's history, Pat Tillman, and how his legendary locker 175 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: was saved with a last second interception from a buzzsaw 176 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 4: literally by a longtime staffer. 177 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 6: I didn't really get the idea to kind of preserve 178 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 6: the locker until two thousand and six. I always put 179 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 6: it in the back of my head, like, I want 180 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 6: to save this locker. That would be kind of cool. 181 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 6: And I just didn't know when the renovations would take place. 182 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 6: And I'm sitting married lunch at Oreganos and they're taking place. 183 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 6: So I had to do something. 184 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 10: When you know the cliche, if you cut somebody open, 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 10: they bleed, Cardinal red. That's Almo. So it was fitting that, 186 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 10: you know, he would be the one that has his 187 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 10: finger on the pulse of that and in the moment 188 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 10: immediately recognizes how significant this is to preserve. 189 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 4: Before we get to that locker, the museum piece on 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 4: display showcase for all to see at Cardinals HQ, we 191 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: need to understand Pat Tilman. Notice how we didn't say 192 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: the football player Pat Tillman, because Pat was so much 193 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 4: more than an athlete Pat Tillman. 194 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: What can I say? 195 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 11: Just all around good guy, not cocky, very confident, soft spoken, 196 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 11: like the thing Desperado, and liked that movie immediately. 197 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 8: I kind of liked him. Me on long hair, He 198 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 8: didn't dress nice. 199 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 9: He was just such a unique, genuine dude that people, 200 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 9: you know, weren endeared to him. 201 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 12: He was a different kind of guy. You know, he 202 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 12: was a flower child if you will you know. Of course, 203 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 12: at the time, I didn't have any clue that he 204 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 12: would go on to to come to hero that he became. 205 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 12: But you know, he was a different type of dude. 206 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 12: He would ride his bicycle to practice every day. 207 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: Those are the voices of former Tilman teammates Larry Centers, 208 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: Jake Plummer, and all started by former linebacker Mark Maddox. 209 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: The thing is, if you asked Pat to talk about himself, 210 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: something he seldom did, I'm not sure that football player 211 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 4: would have made the top three things he'd say about himself. 212 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: To know Pat was to know that Pat was about 213 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: the next achievement, the next challenge, the next curiosity. Longtime 214 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 4: Cardinals beat writer in Arizona Republic columnists Ken Summers. 215 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 13: As a player just passionate, to the point of borderline. 216 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 13: Is this guy human? I mean, can a human actually 217 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 13: play that hard and have such disregard for his body 218 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 13: and play the game that way? 219 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: And never? 220 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 13: I mean there was just one speed, you know, one 221 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 13: gear there was you know, Steve McGinnis used to say 222 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 13: that the guy has a switch, not a dial. You know, 223 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 13: you just flip it on and it's the same, the 224 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 13: same speed. 225 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 4: When Pat put on the pads he used him, he 226 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: was all in. Like everything else he did. Pat never 227 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: did anything half speed, even when the drills were designed 228 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: to be half speed. That was Pat in his first 229 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: NFL training camp as a seventh round tweener, just hit 230 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: anything and everything that moved. I watched it in person. 231 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 4: I covered that nineteen ninety eight training camp in Flagstaff. 232 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: I watched the decision makers take notice that the guy 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: in the football uniform belied the dude in the surfer 234 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: shorts and the flip flops. Here's former Cardinals wide receiver 235 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 4: Frank Sanders. 236 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 14: I think probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard somewhere 237 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 14: in some Oakley shorts. 238 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: And I had a real nice golden hair, and that's it. 239 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 14: Like playing football never seemed like he should be there 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 14: until he put on his pads. 241 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: Put on his pads. A different person showed him, I 242 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: understand you hit pretty hard. 243 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 7: Now a different guy, I'm in the middle of the 244 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 7: field that falls into the plate. 245 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 6: Wow, off comes the helmet of the attended receiver as 246 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 6: he gets crushed back there by Pat Tilman. 247 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: Pat Tillman the blade. 248 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 9: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm 249 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 9: and just slapped that helmet off. 250 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 12: Even as a rookie, we used to have to call 251 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 12: him off, you know, some some practices we were, you know, 252 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 12: just fit up on the guy with the ball. But 253 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 12: he would come in and demolish the guys, which was 254 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 12: a really good tactic, and it worked out great for 255 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 12: him because he got the coach's attention. 256 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 9: He brought that segment kind of few mentality to the Cardinals. 257 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 9: I mean, rookies don't hit receivers in Ota days. But 258 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 9: he would lay some wood on a guy or like 259 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 9: put an elbow in him and get in fights, and 260 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 9: he really up the competitiveness during practice. Guys didn't like 261 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 9: him because he would hit you or rough you up, 262 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 9: or do what he whatever he felt he needed to 263 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 9: work on. And they ended up respecting him because it 264 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 9: made everybody's level come up. 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 8: He was a tone setter. 266 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 4: Let's just say that Pat would routinely exceed the perceived 267 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: practice speed limit. But that's how Pat forged an NFL career. 268 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 4: That's how Pat made the Cardinals as the two hundred 269 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 4: and twenty six player taken in the nineteen ninety eight draft. 270 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 4: How he caught the coach's attention even though he was 271 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: the reigning Pac ten Defensive Player of the Year. But 272 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 4: at the NFL level, was he still a linebacker? Was 273 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 4: he fast enough to be a safety? Pad made sure 274 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: none of that mattered, because all he did was turn 275 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: guys into tackling dummies that entire camp, even though it 276 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 4: landed in the NFL's version of a coach's time out. 277 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 4: Former Cardinals head coach Then Stobin and. 278 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 15: The one I remember was a wide receiver that he 279 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 15: got in a fight with and ended up having to 280 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 15: throw them both off the field because they every time 281 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 15: the play started whether they'd be a fight between those 282 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 15: two at the end of the play, and so I 283 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 15: sent them out. 284 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: But as Vin Stobin himself would admit later, the Cardinals 285 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 4: needed that mentality that Pat Tillman brand of physicality and 286 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: fight that tilman too, because remember, the Cardinals were still 287 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: in the same division with those Cowboys teams coming off 288 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 4: Super Bowls and physical East Coast teams from tough towns 289 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: playing bullyball like the Giants and Eagles and Washington once again, 290 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer. 291 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 9: You look at someone like him, who was similar to me. 292 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 9: We were too small, too slow, not strong enough, not 293 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 9: smart enough, all these excuses for why we shouldn't be 294 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 9: there yet. We just you know, we threw that all 295 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 9: side and said, yeah, we're supposed to be here. 296 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 8: He congratulated me, and I guess he was one of 297 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 8: my advocates. He was talking me up, So what the hell? 298 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 8: Where are you all right? Thank you appreciate your help, Jake. 299 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 7: He said that I gotta give him fifteen percent of 300 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 7: whatever I get because of his good. 301 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: Talk, so it might not be much. 302 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 9: So we had that chip on our shoulder and that confidence, 303 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 9: that quiet confidence about ourselves and belief in ourselves. 304 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 8: So we were kindred spirits right away. 305 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 15: Pat became a football player simply because of will and determination. 306 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 15: He wasn't really big enough, strong enough, fast enough to 307 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 15: play in the National Football League. But he willed himself 308 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 15: to become a good enough football player to overcome those limitations. 309 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: And it's something that Pat had already done plenty of 310 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: define the doubters. A quick personal note, I covered Pat 311 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: during his years at ASU and then his early years 312 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: with the Cardinals. Before that, I'd known of Pat through 313 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: our high school alma mater, Leland High School, in South 314 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 4: San Jose. We were both from the Alminant Valley, which 315 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 4: you might have seen featured in some of the Pat 316 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: Tillman documentaries. His future father in law was my high 317 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 4: school baseball coach. We were seven or eight years a 318 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 4: part or so, and I still remember my dad called 319 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 4: me during Pat's senior year of high school. Hey you 320 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 4: guess what he said? Leland is in this section title game. 321 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: And I cut off my dad. I say, come on now, Pop, 322 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 4: have you been drinking more of your red wine again? 323 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: Come on? 324 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: Said no, no, no, They've got this Tilman kid. He's a 325 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: running back and nobody can tackle him, and he's a 326 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: better middle linebacker. He's all over the field. So when 327 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: people talk about Pat's ability to inspire and lift others, 328 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 4: people rightfully cite the fact that the last time ASU 329 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: went to the Rolls Bowl. It was Pat Tillman and 330 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 4: Jake Plummer. During Pat's rookie year in the NFL nineteen 331 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: ninety eight, the Arizona Cardinals won their first playoff game 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 4: in half a century. And my response is always, you 333 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 4: know what, though, Pat's greatest team achievement was leading his 334 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 4: high school to a because, believe me, the degree of 335 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: difficulty there. Pat's high school hasn't come close to winning 336 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: before or after Pat. 337 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: Both towers so the World Trade Center have been hit 338 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: by aircraft. 339 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 16: Both are in flames. 340 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 17: It's a black smoke coming from both of the towers. 341 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 7: It's a horrific scene here. 342 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 5: There are choir creers just screaming into this area from 343 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 5: every conceivable direction. 344 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 7: You know, times like this you stop and think about 345 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 7: just how not only how good we have it, but 346 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 7: what kind of a system we live under, What freedoms 347 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 7: were allowed? 348 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 8: You know, my great grandfather was at Pearl Harbor, and a. 349 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 7: Lot of my family has given up, you know, has 350 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 7: gone and fought in wars. And I really haven't done 351 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 7: a damn thing as far as laying myself in the 352 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 7: line like that, And so I have a great deal 353 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 7: of respect for those that have and what the flag stands. 354 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: For the voice of Pat Tillman September twelfth, two thousand 355 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 4: and one, after the horrific events of nine to eleven. 356 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: In fact, on September eleventh, Pat Tilman was at the 357 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 4: Cardinals facility and he wandered through the media area and 358 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: sat down to watch the news coverage as it unfolded. 359 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 4: With Cardinals beat writer Darren Rban. 360 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 8: He was like, what we do playing in the NFL? 361 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 8: He goes, We're worthless, We're actors. He goes, that means nothing. 362 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 8: This is this is so much bigger than that. 363 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 13: There's probably no better time to talk about a guy 364 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 13: who took nine to one one to heart and made 365 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 13: a life changing decision based on his feeling something he 366 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 13: felt he needed to do. 367 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 18: It was sort of the you know, man bites dog story, 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 18: like this doesn't make any sense. He's right on the 369 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 18: verge where in discussions with his agent about potentially extending 370 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 18: his contract and he decided I'm going to walk away 371 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 18: from this. But you know, it was just six months 372 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 18: after nine to eleven, and it was only three weeks 373 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 18: after he got married to Marie as high school sweetheart, 374 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 18: and it was about one week after they got back 375 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 18: from their honeymoon. He joined the Army up in Colorado 376 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 18: and then went on to become, you know, part of 377 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 18: the Rangers and one of. 378 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 4: The leaders Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. As Pat had just 379 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: set a team record for tackles in a season, his 380 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 4: jersey was worn by fans all over town. Plus there 381 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: was the business of football, as Pat was on the 382 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 4: verge of cashing in on a mega contract and he 383 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 4: literally left it all behind. 384 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 13: My reaction was just I just like I just kind 385 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 13: of had this big smiling and started laughing to myself, 386 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 13: like this is completely believable. I mean, I did not 387 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 13: expect him to join the army, but as I process. 388 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: It, like, yeah, okay, God. 389 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 13: Of all the guys in professional sports in the world, 390 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 13: he's the one who would do that. 391 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 4: Pat would leave that Cardinals locker room to join a 392 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 4: different team with a different plan, defending his country and 393 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 4: his former teammates. Remember the reactions like it was yesterday. 394 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 4: Frank Sanders, Jake Plummer, and former head coach Vince Toben. 395 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 14: I saw Pat coming out of the building, and I 396 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 14: was coming in where the players are only go in 397 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 14: the lower area. I was coming into the gates he 398 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 14: was going out and say, Pat, you doing what's up 399 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 14: with your contract? 400 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 2: He said, Bro, I'm probably gonna go to the military. 401 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: I said what he said, I'm gonna go to the 402 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: army and be arranged with my brother. So what you 403 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: go do? 404 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 14: What I want to serve my country, That's what I'm 405 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 14: gonna do. I say, brother, God bless you. 406 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 8: I just kind of like that sounds like, Pat, what 407 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 8: can you do? 408 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 9: I remember getting a call from Mike Devlin, who is 409 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 9: my center my rookie year and now is a coach 410 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 9: with the Cardinals. He said, Hey, you got to call Pat. 411 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 9: He's he's about to do something that you know, I 412 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 9: don't know if he should do this. It's you know, 413 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 9: he's giving up all this money and giving up the game, 414 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 9: and I don't know. 415 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 8: You should give him a shout. 416 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 9: And I kind of chuckled because I was like, if 417 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 9: Pat makes his mind up, he's made this decision and 418 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 9: his wife has a change his mind, and what good 419 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 9: am I going to be to go try to change 420 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 9: his mind. I'm not going to piss him off before 421 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,479 Speaker 9: he goes to fight for our country. I gave him 422 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 9: a hug and told him I love him, He'd be 423 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 9: safe out there, man, because there was no change in 424 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 9: his mind. 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 15: Well, he's all in. He believed in what he believed 426 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 15: in and believed it very strongly and acted on what 427 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 15: he's bleased, where a lot of people have blased, but 428 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 15: they don't act on him. And he did no matter 429 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 15: what he was doing, whether he's on the field or not. 430 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 9: He believed in himself so much so that he did 431 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,479 Speaker 9: something that no one could fathom he would do and 432 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 9: go give up millions of dollars to go. 433 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 8: Fight for our country. Well, for Pat, it was just life. 434 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 8: That was what life was about, was doing what you 435 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 8: believed and living your life. 436 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,239 Speaker 4: And what's amazing is as media friendly as Pat was 437 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: as a player, all the interviews that Pat did when 438 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: he was at ASU and the Cardinals, you can search 439 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 4: the internet all you want, good luck trying to find 440 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 4: any interview that Pat did as a soldier once again 441 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 4: and Summers from the Arizona Republic. 442 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 13: One of the things that really resonated with me was 443 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 13: his refusal to talk about it ever. It's like, I'm 444 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 13: not in it for that, I'm not in it for 445 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 13: the stories. I'm not in it for a future movie 446 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 13: or to set myself up for business later. I have 447 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 13: my reasons for doing it. I'm not going to share them. 448 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 13: They're my reasons. 449 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 4: So Pat left his Cardinals locker behind for a foot locker. 450 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 4: One more aspect of a person who could have done 451 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 4: virtually anything he set his mind to, and quite often 452 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 4: Pat did just that. Former teammate, a longtime Cardinal staffer, 453 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards, on Pat's selfless act. 454 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 19: To serve that's humility. I choose to serve my country. 455 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 19: I choose to go disc round instead of this one. 456 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 19: The more popular vote would be stay where you at, 457 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 19: continue to do what you're doing. But he didn't feel 458 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 19: that was enough. That wasn't satisfying to him, so he 459 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 19: chose the other. 460 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: And that's former Cardinals receiver Anthony Edwards, who said it 461 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 4: so well in Cardinals' Full Tales that Pat was all 462 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: about service to his team, to his community, to his country. 463 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 4: I think, like a lot of media members, we walk 464 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: into that Cardinals locker room, you can still hear Pat's laugh, 465 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 4: you can still picture him with his teammates. And it 466 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: was that locker of Pat's that was spared the wrecking 467 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 4: ball from the demolition crew in last second dramatic fashion, 468 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 4: and when we come back, we'll hear how that locker 469 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 4: saving play, how it unfolded, how Pat's lasting legacy is 470 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: memorialized in other ways as we continue with his encore 471 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: presentation of Cardinals Full Tales Legendary Locker on the Big 472 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 4: Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are 473 00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 4: santan Ford, and welcome back to our special encore presentation 474 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: of Cardinals s Folktales Legendary Locker. Here on the Big 475 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: Red Rage, presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are 476 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: Santan Ford. I'm Paul Calvi. Seen if you go to 477 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: State Farm Stadium, you'll see the Pat Tillman statute. There's 478 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: Pat Tillman's name and number in the Ring of Honor. 479 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 4: At Cardinal's headquarters, there's Pat's locker, and that's what we're 480 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 4: talking about here tonight, the legendary locker and last we 481 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: left you here during Cardinals Folktales, Pat Tillman was making 482 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 4: that selfless decision to leave football and a multi million 483 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 4: dollar contract behind to serve his country. As we know, 484 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: Pat lost his life in action while serving with the 485 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 4: Army Rangers in Afghanistan and not only hit. All of 486 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 4: us in Arizona heard a lot of us vividly remember 487 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 4: that April morning, but our nation mourned as well, and 488 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 4: we pick up the story of how Pat's legendary locker 489 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: still stands today with a salute from Tom Cruise at 490 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 4: the Espies. 491 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 17: The news came out of Afghanistan that an athlete turned 492 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 17: soldier was gone. And when we heard the news on 493 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 17: that April day, it stopped us all in a long 494 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 17: and profound silence. And we all know why, because Pat 495 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 17: Tillman was a transcendent figure in the life of this nation. 496 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 4: Word of Pat Tillman's death came out early on the 497 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 4: morning of April twenty second, two thousand and four. Fans 498 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 4: created memorials at the Cardinals facility and in Pat's hometown 499 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: of San Jose. I remember waiting a line at Sun 500 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 4: Devil Stadium to pay respects at an impromptum memorial. The 501 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 4: news hit with the ferocity of a Tilman tackle, and 502 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 4: it struck owner Michael Bidwell and pull back Larry Centers 503 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: the same way. 504 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 18: It was a I mean, it was a gut punch, 505 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 18: a kick to the stomach, and I remember I was 506 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 18: I was standing in my closet that day, getting ready 507 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 18: for work and to head into the office and my 508 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 18: phone rangked. You know, it sent shivers down my spine 509 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 18: and we realized it's going to be shocking news to everybody. 510 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 12: I was in Dallas on the golf course. I was 511 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 12: playing with a couple of guys who played in the NFL, 512 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 12: and one of them got a call or a text 513 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 12: and said, hey, man, Pat's him and just died in Afghanistan. 514 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 2: It was a jaw dropping moment. I remember exactly where 515 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: I was, like. 516 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 12: I'm sure a lot of the teammates can tell you 517 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 12: exactly what they were when they heard the news. 518 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 4: As news traveled through the Cardinals facility, it reached the 519 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: locker room longtime trainer John Omahandra. 520 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 20: It weighed on us, impacted us a lot, and thought 521 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 20: started going through my mind a way that we could 522 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 20: memorialize him or remembering in some fashion. 523 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: In the training room. 524 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 20: I went down to pr asking him to give me 525 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 20: a photo of Pat. I took it and had it framed, 526 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 20: put it up over the tape table. So every day 527 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 20: everybody that came in got overseen by Pat, and the 528 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 20: guys would get up on the table to get taped 529 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 20: and they could maybe this past thought on trying to 530 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 20: live up to his standards of toughness and dedication, being 531 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 20: a warrior, just all the things that Pat was. 532 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: The Tilman player photo that John olmahundro referenced, well, if 533 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: you walk into the training room today, that frame picture 534 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 4: sits in this same exact spot, just like it did 535 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: days after Pat's death. 536 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 6: I think there's a wow factor to it. Take, for instance, 537 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 6: JJ Watt when he signed with the Cardinals, he took 538 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 6: a picture in front of it. It means something to him. 539 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 6: He's very familiar with the story. He's involved with the 540 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 6: Pat Tillman Foundation. 541 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 16: I've obviously long. 542 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 8: Been a fan of Pat Tillman. 543 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 16: What he stood for, who he was, and everything about 544 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 16: his legacy is unbelievable to me. So to be here, 545 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 16: to be walking the same halls that he walked and 546 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 16: to see his locker was special for me. 547 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 6: It made me feel good to see him, the guy 548 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 6: of his level, standing in front of that and it 549 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 6: means something to him. 550 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: That's the voice of Jim o'mahundra, longtime Cardinals broadcast producer 551 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 4: more than two decades on the job. While his father, 552 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 4: the aforementioned John o'mahundro spent forty two seasons as a 553 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 4: Cardinals athletic trainer. A couple of other longtime Cards employees, 554 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 4: Darren Urban and Dave Pash, give us the scattering report 555 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 4: on Omo. 556 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 16: I would paint Jim o'mahundro in this way he works 557 00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 16: for the team. 558 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 10: But I I feel like in a lot of ways, 559 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 10: Cardinals DNA is literally in him. 560 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 6: So I've been around the Cardinals my entire life. My 561 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 6: dad was an athletic trainer for the team for forty 562 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 6: two seasons. I like to say I was negative nine 563 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 6: when he started with the team, and so I was 564 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 6: literally born into this organization. I couldn't imagine it any 565 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 6: other way. 566 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 5: Cardinal football means so much to him. Outside of the 567 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 5: Bidwells who grew up with Cardinal football, I can't think 568 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 5: of anybody who has a closer connection than the Bidwell 569 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 5: family than the ol Hundre family because of the time 570 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 5: and the energy that's been spent rooting for the team. 571 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 4: So when people ask how exactly did the Tilman locker 572 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: end up encased in glass when every other locker is 573 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 4: no moss Well glad yes, Because remember earlier the story 574 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 4: that we thought we knew but didn't. Well, here we 575 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: go twenty fifteen. The Cardinals locker room. It's a hard 576 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: hat area, not your typical football helmets, but construction workers. 577 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 6: It's a day after the Super Bowl, kind of slow 578 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 6: around the facility. So I come over here to Oreganos 579 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 6: just to get a normal lunch. So I ordered a 580 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 6: slice and a salad and I'm waiting for the food. 581 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 6: So I'm scrolling through Twitter. I see a tweet by 582 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 6: Darren Urban that alerts me to the renovation starting at 583 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 6: our Tempe facility. So I freak out. There's a photo 584 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 6: with a destroyed locker on the ground. So I had 585 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 6: ordered my lunch, it hadn't come yet, and I'm like, 586 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 6: I got to get out of here. So I throw 587 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 6: twenty dollars down onto the table and I'm out of there. 588 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 6: I just run to my car, drive down, get to 589 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 6: the facility, run through the parking lot, run through the auditorium, 590 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 6: the weight room, the training room, step into the locker room. 591 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 6: The carpet is all torn up. The glue from the 592 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 6: carpet is there and it rips my shoe off my foot. 593 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 6: So I'm hopping around the corner to see two lockers 594 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 6: on one wall and about four lockers on the other. 595 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 6: There's a guy with a saw walking directly for Pat 596 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 6: Tillman's locker. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't 597 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 6: cut that one out. That's Pat Tillman's locker. So that's 598 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 6: what happened and prevented it from being destroyed. 599 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: And that is quite a series of events. I mean, 600 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: think of how razor thin that margin was one more stop, 601 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 4: like perhaps or almost stopping to unglue his shoe, and 602 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: that Tilman locker would have been turned into lumber. That 603 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: got the attention of Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. 604 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 18: Found out an hour after it happened that Jim Olmhunter 605 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 18: was walking through and said, wait, don't touch that. And 606 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 18: so we're like, okay, we don't know what to do 607 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 18: with it right now, but we're going to do something. 608 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 18: And then because we were doing a renovation of the building, 609 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 18: we look for an area where we could put it, 610 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 18: and the designers found what I think is a perfect 611 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 18: entry area right outside the locker room. So it's it's 612 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 18: a perfect area and it's really a landmark within our 613 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 18: building and serves as an important reminder for his sacrifice 614 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 18: but also his spirit. 615 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 6: Everybody who go out to the practice field, they walk 616 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 6: by it. Everyone who comes in from the practice field, 617 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 6: they walk by it. And if you look at the 618 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 6: old foot front of the locker room, it's literally on 619 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 6: the other side of the wall, kind of diagonal from 620 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 6: where it was, and I think that's pretty cool. It's 621 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 6: kind of hollow ground in a way. 622 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 4: Remember it'd been over a dozen years since Pat had 623 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 4: left his locker, so over those years a number of 624 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: other players use that locker. 625 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 6: Pat's final year in the locker room was two thousand 626 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: and one, so every year after that, I would kind 627 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 6: of look to see who had that locker, and I'd 628 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 6: make it a point to go up to him and say, Hey, 629 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 6: you know who's locker you are sitting in, And they're like, 630 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 6: who said Pat Tillman. Some of them looked at me 631 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 6: like I was nuts, Like what this is Pat's locker? 632 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 16: You know? 633 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 6: Some that come to mind, Gabe Watson, former defensive tackle. 634 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 21: O Mahandro told me, you share the same locker that 635 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 21: Pat Tillman had. I'm like, are you serious? You know 636 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 21: you hear the stories behind them, and there's only a 637 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 21: few people that can say shared the same locker it's 638 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 21: just honored to just be in any company with them. 639 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 6: John Fullington was a reserve offensive lineman who was the 640 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 6: final occupant of Pat's locker, and he was genuinely touched. 641 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 6: I told him, and he he was just like, I'm honored. 642 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 6: He didn't know what to say. So, you know, you 643 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 6: see guys that maybe had that locker. Then you see 644 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 6: guys that in future years will walk past that locker 645 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 6: and you kind of get the idea of what they 646 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 6: might feel about it. 647 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 4: You know, the first time you see Pat's locker on display, 648 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 4: and as someone who sees it on a daily basis now, 649 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 4: it is a heck of a first impression that makes 650 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 4: for a lasting impression. Here's VP and meter relations Mark Dalton, 651 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 4: followed by former Cardinals Larry Centers and Anthony Edwards. 652 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 10: When you get to that spot, it's almost a universal reaction. 653 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 10: People just stop and conversation ceases and they just take 654 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 10: it in and there's like a solemn moment of reflection, 655 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 10: which is really cool. 656 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 12: Keeping his legacy alive. I think that's a big step 657 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 12: in the right direction. You know, the generations go on 658 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 12: and the people, the players come, and the players go, 659 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 12: but to see him immortalize in that way and appreciated 660 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 12: by the organization. I think that's a really good move 661 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 12: of the team. 662 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 19: It's a reminder as a player that's leaving out of 663 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 19: the locker room going to the practice field, here's someone 664 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 19: was dedicated, committed to excellence in. 665 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: Whatever he did. 666 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 19: Just let us do the same thing and take it 667 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 19: to the field today and be our very best. So 668 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 19: it comes as a reminder of striving for excellence. 669 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 6: Each time a guy walks by, they're gonna see Pat 670 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 6: and his locker there, and remember, you know, hey, you 671 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 6: could be having a crappy day. You could be complaining 672 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 6: about little things, and then you see that and you 673 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 6: check yourself a little bit. Say, Okay, there's thousands upon 674 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 6: thousands of men and women all over the world serving 675 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 6: our country, and you know they can't afford to have 676 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 6: a bad day. We can afford to have a bad day. 677 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 6: So you've got it pretty good. 678 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 4: In the NFL, everyone is looking for impact players in 679 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 4: Cardinals team history, and that is going back more than 680 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 4: a century. Not a single player on the field and 681 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 4: off combined is at a bigger impact than Pat Tillman. 682 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 11: Pat Tillman was all about team and if you can 683 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 11: walk past that and not get something inside of you turning. 684 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: We got some issues. 685 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 5: Go back to the whole idea of you know, it's 686 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 5: not what you say in life, it's what you do. 687 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 5: And we can all talk, but ultimately it's what we do. 688 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 5: And I think the lasting legacy of Pat Tillman is 689 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 5: this is someone who did, who believed in something and 690 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 5: was willing to risk his life for it. 691 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 4: That's voice of the Cardinals day past, preceded by former 692 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 4: Cardinals linebacker Mark Maddox, make an impact players today when 693 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 4: they see Pat Tillman's locker, it says, challenge yourself to 694 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 4: do as much with your life as Pat did in 695 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 4: his twenty seven years. To me, that's what Pat's locker 696 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 4: stands for, and that's why it still stands today for 697 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 4: all to see. 698 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 9: To me, when they keep his locker alive and his 699 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 9: legend alive there, it's telling the players to like, live 700 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 9: your trueness, to be who you are, and like, hey, 701 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 9: you know, don't go against the grain just because you 702 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 9: want to go against the grain. But if you have 703 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 9: a feeling and it's a thought and it's something you 704 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 9: believe in, and if it's against the grain, do it 705 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 9: and trust yourself because Pat was like that. 706 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 4: And there you have it, Cardinals Foketales legendary locker, the 707 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 4: one locker that will never change nameplates, the same locker 708 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 4: where we used to witness Pat reclined between practices, taking 709 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 4: a snooze to refresh for what was next. And that's 710 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 4: just one tribute to Pat's greatness that seemingly everyone has 711 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 4: a story. In fact, I'll share a quick one with 712 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 4: you here. I knew a guy at Asu, went to 713 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 4: school with him, and he told me years later that 714 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 4: he was Pat's next door neighbor for a spell. One 715 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 4: night he got home from work, he pulled into his 716 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 4: driveway and he couldn't help but notice there's Pat on 717 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 4: his roof. His buddy of mine gets out of his car. 718 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 4: He's half stupefied and he yells out, ay, Pat, what 719 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 4: are you doing on your roof? And Pat looked at him, 720 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 4: just watching the sunset, dude, just watching the sunset. And 721 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 4: that was Pat. He took nothing for granted, and he 722 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 4: inspired others to do the same. But how do you 723 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 4: convey that, how do you pass that along? How do 724 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 4: you honor that? Well? The Cardinals do just that every 725 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 4: day by putting Pat's locker on display at their training facility. 726 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us everyone. I'm Paul KELVC. This has 727 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 4: been Cardinals s Folktales Legendary Locker presented by seventy two Soul. 728 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. You know it's stories like that, and 729 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 4: so many people have stories regarding Pat Tillman. That's how 730 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 4: his legacy lives on today. If you go to the 731 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 4: Pat Tillman Foundation website and they stayed out Pat's life 732 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 4: and principles and service, that's his true legacy. How Pat's 733 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 4: family and friends started the Pat Tillman Foundation to carry 734 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 4: forward that legacy. If you go two days after his passing, 735 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 4: it was the NFL Draft two th thousand and four, 736 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 4: and then Commissioner Paul Tagliboo wore a black ribbon with 737 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 4: Tilman's name on it and a helmet pin with his 738 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 4: number forty. And there was Paul Taglibou while flanked by 739 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 4: five Marines in Madison Square Garden, and he told the 740 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 4: audience quote, Pat Tillman personified the best values of Americans 741 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,280 Speaker 4: and the National Football League. And we know Pat's legacy 742 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 4: is personified by Pat's Run, which is held annually in 743 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 4: tamp and when we come back, we'll bring back and 744 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 4: talk with Ron Wolfley, who covered Pat watched all those 745 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 4: games from Sun Devil Stadium, both ASU and the Cardinals. 746 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 4: As we continue with this encore presentation of Cardinals Folk 747 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 4: Tales Legendary Locker presented by Santan four in Gilbert, and 748 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 4: welcome back to this very special edition of the Big 749 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 4: Red Rage, Our Cardinals Folk Tales Legendary Locker Edition all 750 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 4: presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert, Paul kelvc Ron wolf Ley, 751 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 4: and the story behind the saving literally saving Pat Tillman's 752 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 4: locker from a certain destruction within seconds, wolf we heard 753 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 4: the story man of our own executive producer, longtime producer 754 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 4: for the Cardinals, Jim al Mahandro. He saw a picture 755 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 4: posted by Darren Urban of the renovation of the Cardinals 756 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 4: locker room and he just ran a four three forty 757 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 4: out of the restaurant where he's having lunch, and if 758 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 4: he would hit one more stoplight, he probably wouldn't be 759 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 4: able to make it in time back into that locker 760 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 4: room to save Pat Tillman's locker. And as we say, 761 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 4: there's fifty three players on an NFL active roster, and 762 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 4: then the Cardinals have designated their fifty fourth locker where 763 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,040 Speaker 4: the name plate will never change. It is behind glass, 764 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 4: and it's quite a story as to as it all transpired. 765 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pauli, you know what's incredible you stop and think 766 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: about it, man, Just the fact that Jim Almahandro would 767 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 1: be the guy, he would be the guy that would 768 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: actually burst in and save Pat Tillman's locker. You know 769 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: what a historian he is. He's the best game day 770 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: producer on the face of the planet. Yet at the 771 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: same time, this guy is a historian man for Cardinal football, 772 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: and the fact that it was him who actually came 773 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: in and stopped them from literally cutting right into that 774 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: locker and everything that has happened to that locker. Since 775 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: that's exactly what a folktale is, man, this is a 776 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 1: folk tale about a folk tale legendary acts by human beings. 777 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 4: You know, players to this day see it for the 778 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 4: first time and it stops them in their tracks. Yes, 779 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 4: JJ Watt most recently when he showed up, he stopped 780 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 4: that very locker. Dennis Gardak We've talked to gard Deck 781 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 4: the Barbarian about it. Have we not wolt this? 782 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: You know? 783 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 4: He current players. You know, some are so young they've 784 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 4: only read books about Pat Tillman. But it's what that 785 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 4: locker says to them, and to listen to them tell it, Welf. 786 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 4: It essentially means, Okay, can you get as much out 787 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 4: of your life out of your career that Pat Tillman did? 788 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 4: A guy who was barely drafted a seventh rounder and 789 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,760 Speaker 4: then went on to achieve so much, not only in football, 790 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 4: but obviously in life itself. 791 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,919 Speaker 1: You know, I love that, Paully. That is a great thought, 792 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. You know, you think of 793 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: Pat Tillman though the statue, of course, is what I 794 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: think of at State Farm Stadium and the Tilman Tunnel 795 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: at ASU, and you know, just the the legendary impact 796 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: that this has had on so many football players and 797 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: so many Americans. The ultimate sacrifice of Pat Tillman and 798 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: what he did for this country and for everyone who 799 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: serves this country, and for his teammates as well. It's 800 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: truly inspiring. 801 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:57,799 Speaker 21: Yeah. 802 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point about the statue of the 803 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 4: till Tunnel. How about the bridge and the Arizona Nevada 804 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 4: border named after Pat Tillman. The USO centers worldwide. I 805 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 4: know it was a couple of years ago. I was 806 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 4: like the fifth assistant coach for my son's little league team. Right, 807 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,839 Speaker 4: everyone had to introduce themselves and they said, what do 808 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 4: you do for a living? And okay, and who have 809 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,879 Speaker 4: you interviewed? Who have you interviewed? And I named Larry Fitzgerald, 810 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 4: Randy Johnson, old timers like Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Lebron James. 811 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 4: But when I named Pat Tillman, everyone stopped and everyone 812 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 4: wanted to know more about Pat Tillman. That's how his 813 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 4: name resonates even today. 814 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: Truly, just an incredible human being. Paully. I know that 815 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: you and I over the years, of course, have talked 816 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: about our relationship just knowing Pat Tillman from time to time, 817 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: and the respect and the regard that we have for 818 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: him can't be measured with human hands. 819 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 4: When my son was born, actually I bought him a jersey. 820 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 4: It's the only jersey I've ever purchased for him, and 821 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 4: it's a Pat Tilman jersey because it's about so much 822 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 4: more than football. Football did not define Pat as he 823 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 4: went unto service country and his status now as an 824 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 4: American hero. I hope everyone enjoyed that Cardinals Folktales Legendary 825 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 4: Locker special. Thanks Jim Amhondro for Ron Wolfley on Paul CALVC. 826 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 4: This has been the Big Red Rage presented by santan 827 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 4: Ford in Gilbert. 828 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 2: Number one. 829 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 3: Til you've been listening to the Big Red Rage presented 830 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 3: by santan Ford in Gilbert? Are you santan Ford State Farm? 831 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 3: Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm 832 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 3: and buy Arizona Cardinals podcasts. 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