1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Katie Kuric and welcome to next question. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: So You'll never believe what happened to Lacy. That is 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: the title of the very funny, if completely horrifying new 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: book by comedian and late night host Amber Ruffin. Lacy 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: always texts me when something unbelievable, having start at work. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: As The book, which Amber co wrote with her sister 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Lacy Lamar, is a collection of essays about well all 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: the racist ship excuse my French Lacey has had to 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: put up with as a black woman living and working 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: in Omaha, Nebraska. Omaha um is predominantly white. I don't 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: think anybody's surprised by that. We have certain pockets, but 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: it's still even in my neighborhood, which is considered a 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: black neighborhood. I'm the only black person on my street. 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: And I tell you what all the time To give 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: you an understanding of how it's life. Amber and her 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: four siblings grew up in Omaha. The Amber years ago 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: to start her career in comedy. After years in the business, 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: she now lives in New York City, where she has 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: been a writer on Late Night with Seth Meyer since 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. She also appears in front of the camera. 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: One of her recurring segments is called Amber says, what 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: you guys, things have been crazy? Okay. First of all, 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: one of the drivers in the indie five hundred got 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: robbed at a Taco bill drive through and I was 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: like what. Then I found out that the Bachelorette is black, 26 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: and I was like what. I'm gonna have to watch 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: it for the first time. So I watched it and 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: I was like, what have you white people been watching? 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: And now Amber is the star of her own late 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: night variety show, Go Amber on Peacock, aptly called the 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Amber ruff and Show. As much as we joke about 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: whiteness on this show, I do have some sympathy for 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: white people. There's a lot of pressure on you all 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: to be constant, perfect allies right now, and that's such 35 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: a hard energy to keep up forever. When will you 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: finally be able to stop talking about race? When can 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: you all stop making calls to your congress people. When 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: can the NBA peel their Black Lives Matter vinyl off 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: the floor to make space for a City bank Ad? 40 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: I know how y'all love City Bay Kads. Every Friday 41 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: night is host of the Amber Rouugh and Show. Amber 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: gets to do what she does best, hilariously skewer the 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: kind of everyday racism she and her siblings have always 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: had to put up with. Our family is very, very funny. 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: Each person is funnier than the last. I mean, all 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: this happened to me, but I am interchangeable. I could 47 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: just as easily be lazy. I can just as easily 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: be And I'm just the person who ended up here. 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: So um we because we grew up in Omar, Nebraska, 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these things happened to us. And you know, 51 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: back when I used to live there, we would have 52 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: to have, you know, little meetings where we're like, okay, 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: now the bus has said this, this is how long 54 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: I've been working here, this is my job title at 55 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: this place. How do we handle it? You know, it's 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: kind of like a decisions by committee when something racist 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: happens at work. And you know, first and foremost, it's 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: always hilarious. And I'm sorry, not everything that is racist 59 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: that happens is hilarious, but a good number of these 60 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: things are. When you're in the rough and house, it's 61 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: probably pretty darn't funny. So we had already been in 62 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the habit of saying, y'all ain't never going to believe 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: this ship, and then we um regale one another with 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: these insane tales, and it's just it's unrelenting because it's 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Omaha and there is no system to check it. So 66 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: it's just like out of control and has been since 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of time. While Amber left Omaha, Lacey, who's 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: four years older, stayed. Most of my family is here. Yes, 69 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Amber's in New York, but my mother and father live here, 70 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: my daughter is here. I have great friends, my community 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: Benson that I live in. I love it, wouldn't move. 72 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to move. Amber always says you should 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: come to New York, and I'm like, but I I 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: think I'm staying in Omaha for a while. And in 75 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: the book, I'm working in my community and some of 76 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: those stories, but the people that I'm working with don't 77 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: represent that community. And that's what what would make it 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: difficult for me. At work, I'm working in North Omaha, 79 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: and there was a meeting about whether the workplace was 80 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: in North Omaha because it had that bad stigma to it, 81 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: and someone said, oh, well, I really wouldn't say this 82 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: is north Omaha and what she was saying was, I 83 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: don't really think there's that many black people on you know, 84 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: on this part of town, so let's not call it 85 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: North Omaha. So those are the problems, um that we face. 86 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: And right now, I've been working before the book, I 87 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: was working in a retirement home, in a retirement home 88 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: as a program director, and then you know, this book 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: took off, and so I'm not I'm not there anymore. 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm just doing events and things for the books. But 91 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: I may go back. I might go back. So Amber, 92 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: you were approached by a bunch of publishing houses to 93 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: write a memoir because you were you were killing it, 94 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: and you decided you were going to do this instead. 95 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: So what was your thinking about that? So one time 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I had I was like, you know what, I will 97 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: go talk to the book guy and the agency, even 98 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: though I am absolutely never going to write a book. 99 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: So on my way there, Lacy text me a story 100 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: and I'm laughing so hard. And then when I get there, 101 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, what if we just did a book 102 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: of my sister's stories? And he was like, we'll call it. 103 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: You'll never believe what happened to Lacey. We're definitely doing 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: this it was after the races, so you didn't even 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: have to convince them that this was a good idea. 106 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: That which is pretty amazing, right, it's super lucky, so lazy. 107 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: When Amber approaches you and says, I want to write 108 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: a book and I want you to be a second 109 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: voice in it, and I want to tell readers what 110 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: it has been like for you. Were you a little 111 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: trepidacious at all lazy or did you think, yeah, let's 112 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: go for it. Amber, No, not at all, because this 113 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: has been like a running joke in our family and 114 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: with friends, Like every time something would happen to me, 115 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: they would say, that's going in the book. You know. 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: I'd be somewhere with Amber and she'd like, that's chapter twelve. 117 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's just you's and years we would always 118 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: say this, that's going into the book. So when she 119 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: said we're going to write a book, I'm like, it's 120 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: written already. We have everything we need. Tell me a 121 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: little bit, Amber and Lacy, both of you about the 122 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: writing process. I love the fact that you use different 123 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: fonts to represent different voices. I love just reading you 124 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: guys are so funny. Amber. I love when you say 125 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: shut up, lazy and Lacey. I'd love when you say, Amber, 126 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: you're hard to like and it's just so funny and fun. 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: So how did that work? Did you guys record each other? 128 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Did you write emails? Amber explain that a little bit. 129 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: We first off, we wrote down a good portion of 130 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: the stories, and you know, it's just how Lazy speaks 131 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: is hilarious, so then you know you're really just remembering 132 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: and writing it down. So then we've got most of 133 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the stories written down. And then we went to mom 134 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: and Dad's house and spent like a few days, maybe 135 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: a week on the couch just you know, kind of 136 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: like story boarding the book and then putting the stories 137 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: in different groups and then adding the little in between 138 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: the bids. And that was the most fun because I 139 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: think what a normal person writes a book, it's quite 140 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: a process. This was not. It was simply us remembering 141 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: things that had happened and writing them down, you know, 142 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: and using my job. We were very lucky. You use 143 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of obviously, because Amber your comedy writer, and 144 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: the humor is so effective and so disarming but also 145 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: very honest. I can't explain it. You just do this 146 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: really interesting balance of humor and this brutal determination that 147 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: people shouldn't put up with this ship? Is that an 148 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: accurate way to describe it? What a perfect way to 149 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: describe it? Yes, I mean, you know, it's funny. I 150 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: can't help that it has a hilarious nous of its 151 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: own that I'm not giving it. It just is funny. 152 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: But then also, we live in a world where these 153 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: things are constant, so that is unfunny. But these things 154 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: are happening, so it's funny. You know, it goes round 155 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: and round. But this is what life is. So how 156 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: do you want to handle it? You can lay down 157 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: and cry if you like, or these things are like 158 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: quite hilarious, so you can have a bit of a 159 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: good time. You know, it's both. There is no rule 160 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: book for how to handle it, but if there was 161 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: and we wrote it, it would be laughter. I'm wondering, Lacey, 162 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: having written the book and read the book, why do 163 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: you think this might be a really effective way of 164 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: basically exposing what it's like for Black Americans on a daily, 165 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: if not hourly basis, but also helping white Americans understand 166 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: and and be better. Yeah, and you just said that 167 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 1: it's laying out one person's life on a day to 168 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: day basis. I can tell you two stories about something 169 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: racist that happened to me, and someone might be like, oh, 170 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: that's not really racist, and you know, it's only two 171 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: things that happened. But when you read story after story 172 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: after story after story UM for white people, it's like, Wow, 173 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't understand how she's going through the day, day 174 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: after day dealing with this. And I you know, I've 175 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: had phone calls and texts from people that have worked 176 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: with me that recognize some of the things that happened 177 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: in this book and was like, wow, did all of 178 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: this this happened at the job because I remember a 179 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: couple of them, and then they kind of realized when 180 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: I would come plane and would say things I didn't realize. 181 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: They would say, I didn't realize it was that bad. 182 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: I want people to have that aha moment, and I 183 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: think this helps them to be like great. And I 184 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: hate to say it, but people are you know, some 185 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: people are like racism is real. They didn't believe that 186 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: it was real, and then after reading this book, they're like, Okay, 187 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: that that is racism. That's right. And all I really 188 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: want people to do that are reading this book. UH 189 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: for white people that are reading this book. If you 190 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: are doing these things, stop. If you know someone that's 191 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: doing them, give them the book, tell them to stop. 192 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: It's it is educating. It's like what not to do? 193 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: Didn't Amber we say at one time we should have 194 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: told we should have named this book. Don't do that, 195 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: stop that bad, don't do that good. It's a how 196 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: to not to act at work. And I think, you know, 197 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: I think it's very impressively see that you have been 198 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: on it. I mean you have been not only calling 199 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: out this stuff, I think in a in a really 200 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: effective way. So in a way, putting it on paper 201 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: for everyone to read it must be feel very validating 202 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: for you in some ways, Lacy, right, because you know, 203 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are times when you're like, well should 204 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,479 Speaker 1: I do this? Should I not? You have to constantly 205 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: balance is this going to hurt me professionally? You know? 206 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: How much? Can I speak up? Are they going to 207 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, think I'm an angry black woman? All those things, 208 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: all those calculations you have to make constantly. So I 209 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: think this must feel, as I said, incredibly validating, like yes, 210 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: this happened, and Amber, you must feel very proud of 211 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: Lacy she's fine. No, I am proud. It's just it is, 212 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: like Lacy said, once you see the step, the sheer volume, 213 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: the sheer value of these stories, it is quite something. 214 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: And then you're forced to look back and go, how 215 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: did this human being survived this? But she did look 216 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: at her fine as ever, when we come back a 217 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: dramatic reading from Amber and Lacy, that's right after this. 218 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: You know, I want to get to some of the 219 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: funny stuff that you guys talk about. And the very 220 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: first story is really funny, and I know you kind 221 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: of don't save the best for last. You are right 222 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: out of the gate Amber with a funny story, and 223 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Lacy or Amber either one. I wondered if you could 224 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: tell that story. Yes, Lacy had black history checks, and 225 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: each check how a different historical black figure on it. 226 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: So once Lacey is paying for something and she writes 227 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: on the check, he hands it to the cashier. The 228 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: cashier takes the check and goes, oh my gosh, I 229 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: didn't realize you could get your own picture on your checks. 230 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: The picture on her check was a picture of Harriet Tubman. 231 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Good cashier, hey did not know who Harriet Tubman is. 232 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: B thought Lacey was Harriet Tubman and she couldn't tell 233 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: that it's like literally the oldest picture on earth. What 234 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: did you say to the cashier, Lacey, I said, that's 235 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: Harriet Tubman and she just goes, okay, didn't she didn't 236 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: know what it was. And I didn't have time to 237 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: do history lesson at that point. I would have loved to, 238 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: but you know, we gotta keep the line moving. I 239 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: just was in shock, and things don't shock me that much, 240 00:14:53,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: but that shocked me. Along those lines, you're to read 241 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: a section for us from the book, page one oh one. 242 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: This is a section of the book that really deals 243 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: with this. Amber and Lacy and you all have agreed 244 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: that you would would read it for our listeners. Here 245 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: is an excerpt from the hit book, You'll never believe 246 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: what happened to Lacey? Thank you so much, amper commence. 247 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: Lacy was at a director's meeting and everyone was acting 248 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: really strange. Whenever they mentioned the new coworkers starting that day, 249 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Lazy immediately knew she must be a person of color 250 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: because they all kept asking her if she had seen 251 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: her yet. She had not. They were dying to tell her, 252 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: but didn't know the right way to do it during 253 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: the meeting. One of the directors could not take it anymore, 254 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: and finally she blurted out, there will be another colored 255 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: Gale working here, Lacey. She was just so excited to 256 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: tell her that she couldn't hold it in. Lacey had 257 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: to give a history lesson on how we don't use 258 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: the word colored anymore. My new coworker and I had 259 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: one in common. We were black. Once she started, the 260 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: staff and the residence at the retirement home could not 261 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: tell us apart. Every day. They would mistake us for 262 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: each other. And I'm not in any way exaggerating. I'm 263 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: a good fifteen years older. She's fifteen years older than me, too, 264 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: shut up. I have natural long locks and she has 265 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: bone straight, shorter hair. I was in a meeting with 266 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: my boss for thirty two minutes. Thirty two minutes. When 267 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: the meeting was over, she said to me, now, son, 268 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: Lacy in because I'm supposed to meet with her soon. 269 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: I said, I am lazy, and we sat in silence, 270 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: and then she apologized. I gave a lesson on how 271 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: not being able to tell black people apart is racist. 272 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: Very well done, Well done, ladies, very good dramatic reading. 273 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: How do you. I mean, how do you deal with that, 274 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: and how do you deal with people's ignorance, because I 275 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: think they're probably well meaning people who don't quite appreciate 276 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: the level of ignorance in their comments. I did a 277 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: documentary on transgender people and I interviewed Gavin Graham, who 278 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: is in southern Virginia and wanted to use the men's 279 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: bathroom transgender mail. And he said, you know, I don't 280 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: feel like I should be teaching people about the transgender experience. 281 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: And at first I was kind of like, well, if 282 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: people genuinely want to learn and understand, and he said, well, 283 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: that's why God invented Google. And then I started thinking 284 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: about it. And after a while, you know, to have 285 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: to kind of explain it over and over and over 286 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: again to people who don't understand is it becomes very 287 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: demeaning for people. But I thought it was interesting, Amper 288 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you basically said, full stop, you are not here to 289 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: teach white people how to behave. And I wondered if 290 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: you could talk a little bit about that, because I 291 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: think it's something for that that has taken me a 292 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: bit to understand. Yeah, it is this. I am not 293 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: dragging white people into the light anymore. I lived in Omaha, Nebraska, 294 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: I did it. I don't. I'm not great at it. 295 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: I don't love doing it. It does have an effect 296 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: on you. I before everything protect my own happiness, and 297 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: it cannot thrive when I'm convincing people that I am 298 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: of any value. So I don't do it anymore. And 299 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: there are so many resources now that I think people 300 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: can figure it out. What's more is everything has kind 301 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: of gotten worse because we're now all slowly becoming aware 302 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: of the fact that racism is a thing. So it's 303 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: becoming a thing you can just feel free to talk 304 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: to me about, even though for white people it's not. 305 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: It's not a thing connected to any actual pain, but 306 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: for me it is. And so for people giving me 307 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: invitations to slog through my pain for their um enjoyment, amusement, understanding, 308 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: um learning, I'm just not going to do that. Lacy 309 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: has a different take. I wish I could do that, 310 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: But sometimes when you and I, when I tell you, 311 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: I used to do it every single time someone said something, 312 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: every single job I had, I had a speech prepared 313 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: when someone used to say something. I don't do it 314 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: as much anymore, but sometimes just for the sake of 315 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: other black people that work with me that would never 316 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: speak up. I'll give the history lesson and then you 317 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: look in the room and you see maybe not even 318 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: half or getting what you're saying anyway, or even buying it. 319 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: You know, they're like, really, and after you've given this 320 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: fifteen minute speech, and you're mad, and you think you 321 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: might cry, and and you might walk out of work 322 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: to go through all of that, And still they would need, 323 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, ten classes to understand you know why you 324 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: we don't say Negro anymore? And all these are I mean, seriously, 325 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: it does um it takes a toll on you. But 326 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: I'm still I still will teach people. I still do that. 327 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't do it as much, but I wish I 328 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: could just walk away and be like, I can't. I 329 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: don't have time google it, I can't do it all 330 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: the time. I totally hear you, guys. It would get 331 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: very old and exhausting and and hurtful to have to 332 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of do this on a regular basis. But how 333 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: can we help come up with the solution. Do you 334 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: think a lot of it is I mean a lot 335 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: of it is proximity that Brian Stevenson I think talks 336 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: about so eloquently, you know the fact that we're still 337 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 1: very segregated. But also what about what about education? Is 338 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: there some help in how how our our kids are 339 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: being educated, what they're learning, how they're learning it, because 340 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: I think that is such an important aspect to getting 341 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: to a place of deeper understanding and appreciation and and 342 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: less less racism, sexism, all the isms. What do you think, Lacy, 343 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: education does play a big part of it. Just the 344 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: other day on the news in uh, one of these 345 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: small towns in Nebraska, Uh, they just had a story 346 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: about how they kept you could choose whether you wanted 347 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: your child to take a black history course. Where do 348 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: you go from that? And you know most of the 349 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: parents are probably like, absolutely not. So history is a 350 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: big thing. Our history is not taught, Racism is not 351 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: taught in schools, and white children aren't learning that at all. 352 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: So I don't people have asked me this question, Katie, 353 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: I don't. This is where I fail. I don't know 354 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: how to change things. I don't know how to make 355 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: white people more educated. I don't know how to make 356 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: they have to want to they have to want to care. 357 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: First of all, how do you do that. I don't. 358 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: I don't have the answers for that at all. I 359 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: don't know how to make it better and change things. 360 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: And that's I feel sad when I say that, but 361 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm living in I feel at sometimes eighteen sixty five. 362 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how to how to begin to get 363 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: out of that. It is through education, But if you 364 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: have people that don't want to learn about your history 365 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: or don't want to learn about your value, I don't 366 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: know where to go from that. Do not ask me 367 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: to pull up about bout the show, Go and look 368 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: at feel sale, look at more with Amber and Lacy 369 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: in just a moment, systemic racism and Henry and how 370 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: do we start changing things Hamper in your view, obviously 371 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: you do it. I think, as I mentioned earlier, through humor. 372 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: Humor is kind of the gateway drug for talking about 373 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: racism in some ways, isn't it? Yeah? It is, um. 374 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: I do think. I'm sure there are a lot of 375 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: people with a lot of great ideas on a way forward. Personally, 376 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: I think we are lost. Everyone who is thirty enough, 377 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: it's over. This is it, This is who the world is. 378 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: There is no hope, but trying to find a bunch 379 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: of people who are kind to the end. But I 380 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: do think that, um, what we need to do, like 381 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: there is a path forward, We're just not going to 382 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: really benefit from it. Um. All of the textbooks in 383 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: America are wrong, and not like they hide black history, 384 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: they hired white history. The history books are literally very 385 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: wrong and they paint a picture of a country that 386 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: has taken care of its uh black community. But in um, 387 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: in spite of that, the black community has done wrong 388 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: by themselves. And that's not that's absolutely not what happened, 389 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: but that is the narrative we're taught in school. So 390 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: I think if you learn that, no wonder when you 391 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: hear black lives matter, you go, hey, I don't like this, 392 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: or why do you feel like you've been shifted? You know? So, uh, 393 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: it's the school system. It is every book in every 394 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: elementary school is literally wrong and needs to be thrown 395 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: at the garbage. I totally agree, you know, I did. 396 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: I did a documentary on Confederate statues because nobody really 397 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: understood the lost cause they didn't understand when these statues 398 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: were put up with after Brown v. Board of Education, 399 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: what happened? And I think that is so true. And 400 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: Black History Month I find increasingly insulting to every black 401 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: person in this country. And I know you did a 402 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: very funny bit the other night on your show about 403 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: why we need White History Month. Hear me out. I 404 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: think we do need a White History Month because the 405 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: American history that's taught in schools is so whitewashed. We 406 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: don't learn the real story. We learned lies like George 407 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: Washington chopping down a cherry tree, but not the fact 408 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: that George had eighteen slaves before he turned eighteen. Eighteen slaves. 409 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: When I was eighteen, I didn't have eighteen shirts. I 410 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: had three shirts and they all look like this. Taka. 411 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: Tell us about that amper and and is it did 412 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: that come from your uh, you know, appreciation that everybody's 413 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: learning things that are just not accurate. Yes, um, I 414 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: think people love to feel superior to black people. It 415 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: feels good and it feels comforting. I mean, I would 416 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: know I'm just assuming here, but I think that when 417 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: people get mad at the fact that there is a 418 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: Black History Month, then you know, it's a lot of 419 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: that yummy feeling of superiority, but they also just have 420 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: not been taught the truth, you know, And that's really sad. 421 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: And you can look back and you can pinpoint exactly 422 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: how it happened. It happened with um, what's it called 423 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: the Daughters of the American Revolution, who are those children? 424 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: The crazy old women, that's what they should be called, 425 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: crazy old women. And they literally went in and they 426 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: created a narrative for what it's emmen in America, and 427 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: they became so powerful that, you know, in order to 428 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: create a textbook, you had to run it by them, 429 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: and if they didn't like it, then that textbook didn't 430 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,719 Speaker 1: get made. And those are the textbooks we are still 431 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: all learning from today. Today, a child is going to 432 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: put down a book that was helped written by those 433 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: women and then go out and march in the protest today. 434 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: So it's it's insane that those women who you know, 435 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: whose only goal is to make it okay to um 436 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: that people were in a Confederacy, that they that people 437 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: were a part of the Confederacy, you know, to honor 438 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: their grandfathers and stuff. Dude, it's wild, it's yeah, I 439 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: think he's yeah, the daughters at the Confederacy and and 440 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: sort of perpetuating the lost cause and narrative not not 441 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: to mention the fact that Texas, because they're the largest 442 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: purchaser of textbooks in the country, they have an disproportionate 443 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: say and how stories are told in those textbooks, which 444 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: I think is is something that people don't really recognize 445 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: or realize. Can I ask you one question about intersectionality. 446 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: I found it interesting Amber you talk about characteristics of 447 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: Lacy that have nothing to do with her race, but 448 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: it's about that she's petite and pretty. And I'm curious 449 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: if you think about this intersection of gender and race 450 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: in Lacy's case and how how that plays into some 451 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: of the things that are said to her. If there 452 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 1: if they are a combination, a weird combination of both 453 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: of these things, they definitely is. I think people feel 454 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: brave when they talk to a black person. They feel 455 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: brave when they talk to a woman, but they feel 456 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: super brave when they talk to a woman who's asked. 457 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: They think they could be that's that's lazy. She's so tiny, 458 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: But the chacker is lazy, could freaking lift a car. 459 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: She's a bodybuilder. So each one of those people is 460 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: hilariously wrong. But you know, I'm like, it gets bigger 461 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: every time I say it. I'm like a foot taller 462 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: than Lazy. It's probably like fourges. But I'm like a 463 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: lot bigger than I'm a lot bigger than Lacey. And 464 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: people don't say those crazy things to me that they 465 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: would say to Lazy, but they can take me, can't. 466 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: Amber and Lacy. The book is called You'll Never Believe 467 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: What Happened to Lacey? Crazy Stories about Racism? Thank you 468 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: guys so much for making some time for me on 469 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: our podcast. And by the way, you all should do 470 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: a podcast together. You would be This would be such 471 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: a fun podcast, a great idea and get all that. 472 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we're on FaceTime breaking fifteen minutes every day. 473 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: You might as well. As I'm making a podcast. I'm 474 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: not kidding. That would be a fantastic podcast. Maybe I'll 475 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: produce it anyway. That was Amber Ruffin and Lacy Lamar. 476 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: The book is called You'll Never Believe What Happened to Lacy? 477 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: Crazy Stories about Racism. It is such a fun and yes, 478 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: disturbing read. Get it wherever you buy your books. There's 479 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: also a link in the description of this podcast. And 480 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: if you guys haven't seen that white history bit from 481 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: the Amber Ruffan Show already, we linked to it in 482 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: our description to watch it. Honestly, it is pretty mind blowing. 483 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: And that does it for this episode of Next Question 484 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: with Katie Curic. Tune in next week for a sobering 485 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: anniversary the pandemic one year later. In retrospect, I feel 486 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: sort of lucky that I got sick when I did. 487 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: I think I would have been much more distraught if 488 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: I knew then what I knew now. We're exploring all 489 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: that we've learned about COVID nineteen, our health care system, science, 490 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: and ourselves. It is amazing how much knowledge we have 491 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: accumulated in a year. You know. I kind of think 492 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: of it as we maybe have finished chapter one maybe, 493 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and this is a big book. That's next Thursday on 494 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: Next Question. Next Question with Katie Couric is a production 495 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: of I Heart Media and Katie Currik Media. The executive 496 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: producers are me I just don't want to have to 497 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: say my name one more time and Courtney Litz. The 498 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. Associate producers are Derek Clements, 499 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: Adriana Fasio, and Emily Pento. The show is edited and 500 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: mixed beautifully. 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