WEBVTT - The Video 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.360 What you hear in this podcast does not implicate any 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:05.760 individual or entity in any criminal activity. The views and 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.080 opinions are solely those of the individuals participating in the podcast. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:18.160 Renee Bach wants you to know something. Yes, she admits 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.079 a hundred and five children did die at her ng o, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:26.160 but she did the best she could for them, hiring nurses, doctors, 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.240 bringing medical equipment from the US over to Uganda, even 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.040 paying for kids to go to private hospitals when things 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.440 got serious. We can't make a difference to everyone, but 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.800 we can't make a difference to some people. And just 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.080 because there are so many negative things happening, and people dying, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:46.280 and you know, kids getting kidnapped, and when it seems 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.879 like the world is just kind of crashing down, that 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.239 doesn't mean that you can't make a difference for that 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.840 one person. Renee and her lawyer implored, instead of focusing 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.840 on those inevitable tragedies, why don't we take a look 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.600 at the good that they did in Uganda from two 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:06.280 thousand nine, eight hundred other children came in sick and 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:13.160 starving and went home happy and healthy. To drive that 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.319 point home, Renee's mother, Lorie told us about a little 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.880 girl named Patricia, one of serving his children's smiling success stories. 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.720 She came in with her body swollen from head to 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.040 toe and covered in boils. Weeks later, she was back 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.000 to a regular way, back to being a messy eater, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.280 and back home with her family. I think she's just 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.200 like nine or ten now, and she goes to school. 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.440 And I mean they're a family because they thought help 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.760 if somebody would be able to help them. So I mean, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:51.840 that's just a whole great story right there. And then 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:58.320 Lorie sent us a video. Oh no, it was an 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:05.320 interview with Patricia's father, James o'kello. Didn't he speaks in 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.959 the local language. But the subtitles underneath read this white 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.520 has helped us up to the time our daughter got well, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.440 even up to date, we thank them. If you saw 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.040 the photos of Patricia on Rene's blog, swollen almost like 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.480 she was going to burst, you think it was nothing 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.480 short of a miracle. But the video also showed a 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.359 picture of Patricia now almost a teenager, and she has 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.720 a scar running down the side of her face, and 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:40.560 James says, we were told that the white lady is 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.720 being prosecuted for keeping the flesh of my daughter on 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:49.760 ice and eating it cannibalism. I can't say I have 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.480 that on my missionary bingo card in association with I 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:59.280 Heeart Media. I'm Roger Gola. I I'm Malcolm Burnley and 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.040 this is the mission An Area, episode four, the video. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:18.360 Before we got this video, Patricia wasn't really on our radar. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.320 She wasn't part of the court case, and she wasn't 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.320 one of the hundred and five children who died at 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:27.080 Renee's facility. But when we started looking into it, she 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.920 didn't seem like much of a success story either. The 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.840 first people who told me Patricia's story were Renee's former employees, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.120 the ones that had written affidavits in the case against her. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.440 Jacqueline at Him, one of Renee's former social workers, told 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.520 me that Renee gave Patricia a blood transfusion when she 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.280 came to serving his children. Real needed that transfusion without 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.120 cross matching the blood. I think she just went on 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.560 go to blood and started transfugient immediately, and this kid 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:01.120 was in critical condition. The blood had banned and that 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:06.360 girl has a very big ska. The transfusion of this 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:11.240 girl from my UK called Patricia was not good because 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:17.240 one whereas he was transfused. Was not Igenique. The place 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:22.240 was not looking good. Indeed, the girl reacted to the blood. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.600 She almost died. She just survived by God is a mercy. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.200 That's Charles o'waeny, Rene's former program manager, and he told 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:33.960 me if I wanted to get to the bottom of 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.320 Patricia's story, I needed to talk to the woman who 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:41.200 was actually there, who had seen all of it firsthand, 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:47.760 an American volunteer named Jackie Kramlick. Jacqueline Crumblin's was always 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.800 telling know what you're doing is wrong. Let the medical 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.440 people do it. If it was not Jacqueline Crumblin's, Patricia 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:07.520 would have died. Jackie Cramlick was a nursing student at 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.400 Jamestown College in North Dakota when she met Chris. He 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.920 was five years older and had just gotten back from 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.640 a rock where he served with the Army. We were 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:20.680 in acquired together at college, and then yeah, I knew 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.120 her older sister from high school, so so you just 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.520 kept asking me how my sister was doing, until finally 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.920 they hit it off right away. Chris is lean and athletic, 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.520 with the same stubbly beard and buzz cut. He got 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.560 in the army. He seems confident, impatient. Jackie's a little 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.719 shorter and just as cheery. They were both raised Christian 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.960 and held their faith close. Pretty soon they got married, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.479 and when Jackie graduated and got her nursing degree, she 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.359 knew she could be useful abroad. That's when a friend 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.479 in Uganda told him about serving his Children and the 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:04.160 incredible woman running it, Renee. Without a second thought, Jackie 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.360 submitted a volunteer application, which we pulled from the court 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.240 files and asked them to read. We feel that the 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.640 size of serving His children maintains a sense of order, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.920 while at the same time allows for God to move 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.800 and speak to the volunteer. We've been so encouraged by 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.360 the way Renee and other volunteers simply love Jesus and 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.479 love others. Serving His children is very to the point, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.560 very biblical, and we think it is a perfect fit 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.960 for us. At the bottom of the application is a 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.040 little note. You don't have to be a licensed teacher 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.320 to teach, or be in the medical field to put 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.600 on band aids. You just have to have passion and 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:48.520 working knowledge in that area. The organization that Jackie and 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.320 Chris walked into was very different from the one that 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.520 Renee started back in two thousand nine. In less than 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.200 two years, Renee had transformed serving his children into a 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:02.520 full fledged rehabilitation center. She was shipping in medical equipment 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.680 from the States and buying more materials for in house treatments. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.839 By the time I was there, there was kind of 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.320 two parts of the house, So it was like the 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.600 general kids who are just kind of generally you know, ill, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.120 and they're going through this process of being refed, and 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.200 most of them had I V S in and things 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.760 like that, and then there were kids who have kind 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:26.040 of It was this little tiny bedroom off the side 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.480 um of her living room, and it was painted red, 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.280 and there were two beds in there, and that is 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.320 where kids would be hooked up to oxygen or be 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:44.080 on more intensive IVY therapy, have more close monitoring. So 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.160 the concept was not very different from what we would 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.360 consider you know, I See You in the sense that 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.200 kids who needed more intensive care went there. Renee called 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.360 this makeshift I See You the Red Room. The walls 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.360 were painted a deep red and were plastered with pictures 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.360 of children who had passed through the facility. One of 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.160 the first photos I saw Renee was actually taken in 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.600 the red room. In it, she stands with her head down, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.680 arms stretched out, light filters in behind her, making a 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.680 halo around her whole body. As soon as I entered 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.440 in that room, it's when a lot of guesswork was 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:25.000 happening and a lot of actions that she was not 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.800 trained to do or happening. I was fit to like 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.400 provide medical care and whatever this is over my head, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:37.320 like this is serious, serious, Nick, you take you walk care. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.040 The list of medical procedures that Jackie says she saw 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:46.640 Renee perform reads like a med school curriculum, intramuscular injections 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:51.240 for moral artery puncture, blood transfusions, naso gastric tube insertion, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:57.040 baby delivery, and the preparation of a dead body. In 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.000 terms of Ugandan's I don't know how you wouldn't enter 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.800 her as a doctor. I think the confusion live. And 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.200 did she ever say hello, my name is doctor Renee? 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.360 Absolutely not now, she never said that in my presence. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.520 Did she wear a stethoscope around her neck and assens 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.280 children and did uban and call her mousau, which is 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.360 in Luganda word for a doctor or nurse, Yes, they did. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.960 She's giving that offense. She's providing I VS. She's doing 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:28.200 blood transfusions, she's assessing children, she's diagnosing, she's prescribing. I 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.760 don't really know how you can call those things, and 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:35.320 then in the same breath claim I've never representing myself 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.120 as a medical healthcare provider. What else would I be doing. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.319 In her affidavit, Jackie claims that when she asked Renee 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.800 how she was making clinical decisions, Renee said that she 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.640 used a medical handbook, relied on her gut feeling, and 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.720 that she felt God would tell her what to do 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.319 for a child. It kind of stems from disbelief of 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.280 like God a sovereign f anything that happens was supposed 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.920 to happen. So this is really common in the missionary community. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.200 So for example, child would die and you know, Renee 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.480 would have her hysterics, and then people would be like, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.480 Renee got a sovereign There's nothing you could have done. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.199 Van would have prevented this, because if a child was 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.000 meant to die, child's going to die, and if God 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:32.760 wanted to prevent it, he would have prevented it. Despite 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.120 Jackie's training, she noticed that Renee would call friends in 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.240 the States or even ask less qualified volunteers for medical advice. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.360 To Chris, it almost felt like everyone was just playing house, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.960 but after a child died without explanation, it became almost 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.080 too real. The point I guess for me is when 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.480 I had to drive the van one night to take 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.080 this child's body back of the village um when Jackie 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.160 wrote along too, and I'm driving and we get out 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.199 to the village and people are waiting for us like 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.280 they're wailing and watching Charles or whoever carry out this 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.199 body wrapped in a sheet. That just brought back memories 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:16.400 of Iraq to me and seeing people get killed there, 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.480 and I was like, okay, yeah, this is I mean 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.440 to me that this was as real as a war 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.040 at that point, like there were people dying here. She 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.760 knew that the way serving his children operated it wasn't right, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.679 but no matter how bad it got, Jackie just wouldn't 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.320 or couldn't speak up. I felt like I didn't have 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:43.440 a right to tell this person who was viewed as 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.800 a superhero Christian viewed as you know, mother Teresa and Carnate. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.560 I felt like I didn't have a right to tell 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.720 her certain things because I didn't have the same spiritual weight. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:58.120 I didn't have the same social weight as her, and 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.559 I just didn't know how to contet end with that. 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.560 But after a little girl left serving his children scarred 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.600 for life, Jackie knew she couldn't keep quiet any longer. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.760 That entire case. There was so much about that case 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.360 and what went down that just was the absolute nail 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.440 in the coffin of me not being willing to give 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.719 her the benefit of the doubt anymore as to what 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.520 was happening. So then it becomes a whole different issue. Right, 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.520 This isn't just mistakes on other ignorance. This is mistakes 0:12:30.520 --> 0:13:01.439 done attentional. That child's name was Patricia, it was fault 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.440 and Renee hadn't been to church in weeks. The red 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:10.720 room was overflowing with kids and she was exhausted. It 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.200 was supposed to be a day of rest and worship, 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.800 but just as a service began, her phone rang. It 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.960 was Mama Fatima, one of her employees at the facility. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.840 There were two parents at the door and their baby 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:28.200 was in critical condition. Renee grabbed her bag and hopped 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.079 in the car. She raced across Ginger to get back 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.280 to Missess. On the outskirts of town. When Renee got 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.120 to her facility, a little girl was waiting there for her. 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.440 She was just nine months old. Her parents had been 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.360 trying to find help at different clinics for weeks, but 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:48.640 nothing was working. Serving his children was their last resort. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.280 It was clear that she was very ill. She was 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.160 completely swollen from head to toe, and it's hard to 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.040 know by just looking at a kid. You know, you 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.280 really have to do some investigations. So we weren't really 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.080 sure what was going on, but just ran some initial tests. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.080 The blood tests came back with bad news. Patricia was 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.240 positive for malaria and had a severely low humo globe. 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.760 Account At the time, Serving his children had a doctor 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:15.640 that would come in to make rounds a few times 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.760 a week. The doctor wasn't at the facility that day 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.800 because it was a Sunday. What was called and he said, yeah, 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:22.920 I should probably go ahead and start a blood transfusion, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.720 So they started one pretty quickly, though Renee noticed something 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:32.000 wasn't right. Patricia space and neck were swelling up. Within 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.200 a few minutes, her throat was beginning to close, and 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.320 that's when Renee finally called Jackie. I get a call 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.880 from Renee on a Sunday and she's like, could you 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.360 come down to the house. There's this child there and 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.160 I think they're having in an anti flactic action, but 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.040 I don't know because Google says that they're supposed to 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:53.800 have a rash and they don't have rash, So like, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:59.040 could you come see? Blood? Transfusions have become one of 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.720 the more contentious and confusing allegations that have been lodged 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.400 against RENEE, so Halima went out to a few hospitals 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:11.880 to get a closer look. In her blog, she constantly 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.440 wrote about this desperate search for blood for the children 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:20.040 at her facility. After visiting countless hospitals and health centers, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.520 I learned that there was a national blood shortage in Uganda, 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.120 a crisis in fact. On one of my visits to 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.040 the children's hospital in Jina, I remember sitting outside of 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.000 the emergency room waiting for a doctor. As I'm waiting, 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:38.000 I see a nurse walk by and put the body 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.320 of an older child in a room in front of me, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.600 and then I see the child's mother come out of 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.800 the room sobbing. Later, a doctor told me that that 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.680 family had been driving throughout the whole night searching for blood. 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.600 For their child. By the time they arrived in Ginger, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.640 he was nearly dead. Months later, I reached out to 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.640 a malnutrition doctor to learn more about why blood transfusions 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.640 might have been used to treat severely malnourist kids at 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.480 serving his children and can you introduce yourself? What's your 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:13.440 name and where are you working now? Thank you very much. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:18.280 My name is chi Yogo Sant. I'm walking at Embied 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:23.160 General Fido Hospital as a senior nutritionist and also I 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.600 Nevil as a regional nutritionist. Doctor Serage told me that 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:33.920 blood transfusions were incredibly risky procedures, especially for severely malnourist kids. 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:39.200 They were incredibly fragile and often have these other medical complications, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.760 so even the slightest imbalances could result in death. That's 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.400 why only the most qualified experts or specialists to treat them. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:54.280 They needed constant supervision. If someone is not trained any 0:16:54.640 --> 0:17:01.040 nutrition and the management of the student, especially children with complications, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.680 they will use or apply procedures that are not suitable 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.679 for them, that are suitable for other children, and this 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:15.640 would cause a lot of death in these children. Dr 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.240 Saraj said that in most cases, a child's hemoglobe account 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.440 would return to normal after a few days of close care, 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:27.240 but blood transfusions were an absolute last resort. The blood 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:33.159 itself causes complications, the transfusion would be very very dangerous 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.200 giving access with results to death of this CHILDE So 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.520 that was no one recommended. This is the sidious procedia, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:49.800 the dangerous actually prosidia in these child is here, my god, 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.639 I started showing him photos that Renee had posted online 0:17:54.840 --> 0:18:00.879 of children receiving blood transfusions at serving his children. Oh no, when, okay, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.920 this is very well. Here he is getting your blood, franst. Wow. 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:10.560 And this child should should not be given a blood transfusion, 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.760 this one, I don't know for what reason, because the 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:18.680 child looks so stable and the child is well hydritten 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:22.320 because I can see look at the head, all these brains. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:26.399 They shown that the child is okay. When the head 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.280 they appear is the eyes are bright, Charley is very stable. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.000 Such a child should not be transfused. But I'm warning 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.760 from your perspective, um, you know, even if somebody is 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.280 very talented at putting in i VS, should people without 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.880 this experience, even medical professionals without nutrition expertise, be dealing 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.400 with these cases. No, no, no, no, you see, these 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:55.680 are sidious medical complications. It should be managed by pediatriction. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.920 Four years before Serving his Children was opened, there was 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.959 a study done at Uganda's bigg Ast Hospital and Lago 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:06.480 and it looked at more than two hundred severely malnourished 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.080 children who had died there in The study concluded that 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:14.199 blood transfusions and i VS were the main risk factors 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:27.240 in their deaths. Over the years, Renee has gone back 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.280 and forth on whether there were ever blood transfusions done 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:33.879 at Serving his Children. In an interview with The Smith 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.720 Mountain Eagle, she said, we do a lot of blood transfusions, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.439 but in her response to the lawsuit, Renee denies that 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.560 Serving his Children performed blood transfusions. They sent children to 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.600 medical facilities to have them done elsewhere. When I asked 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.520 her about it again and whether she was personally involved 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:58.600 in starting any transfusions, her answer was puzzling. You individually 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.960 didn't start any book intrusions, even to under the discretion 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:08.320 of a doctor or Serving his Children did. Yes, um, 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.919 and I was usually involved in that process. But I 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.880 didn't like say Okay, this kid needs a blood transfusion 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:15.679 and then go and do it. Um, so that's not 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.600 to say that I wasn't involved in the process. So 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.159 I'm sure that can be construed as doing it. I 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:22.480 started a lot of i VS for kids who got 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.120 blood transfusions, but I never carried out all of that 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.800 process on my own discretion. But at the end of 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.800 the day, it's an argument over the semantics of a 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:37.160 risky medical procedure. Patricia was given a blood transfusion at 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:42.000 serving his children and unlicensed and unrecognized medical facility without 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.240 a doctor present. I don't know why. She was like 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.480 very averse to me being involved in those situations. You 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.479 don't want me here. You need to be in the 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.000 center of this. That's what's very clear to me. It's like, 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.679 not it's not about saving kids. It's a out you 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.520 being someone who saves kids. That's what this is about. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.119 So I walk in on this and I'm like, in 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.480 this really like horrific situation of like not knowing if 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.600 they're in a state of shock. Did they come in 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.800 wheezing and swollen? I don't know. Jackie knew this was 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.880 more serious than she could handle. Stop the blood, give 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.919 ben and drill um, and then she rushes the child 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:32.159 to camp Paula. Patricia needed more blood transfusions, but the 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.359 hospital in Kampala didn't have her type. The doctor asked 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:38.679 Rena if she'd be willing to give a blood sample 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.560 to see if she was compatible. The test came back 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:47.280 be positive, exactly what Patricia needed. It was almost too 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.800 good to be true. Patricia was given a transfusion with 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:54.960 Renee's blood and a few days later her condition stabilized. 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.680 She was discharged into Renee's care. But when they got 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:05.440 back to Ginger, Jackie noticed something strange. Slowly they settle, 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.719 bump appears on her cheek and it's like slowly creeping 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.960 down to her jugular like skin is like gaping off. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.439 And I'm like going back and forth with the medical 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.200 team that I had in the States, trying to figure 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.720 out what they thought, what should we do. Renee took 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.639 photos of Patricia in this condition and posted them on 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:26.280 her blog. The skin on Patricia's cheek is black and 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:30.120 bloody and there's white puss around the edges. She has 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.959 plastic tubes running all over her body and looks like 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.719 she's barely hanging on. Jackie didn't know what the disease was, 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.520 but she knew she was running out of time to 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.760 figure it out. Every day, the wound was getting bigger 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.240 and deeper, making its way down to the blood vessels 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:51.320 and Patricia's neck. Fortunately, a group of nurses and doctors 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.159 from Alabama had just arrived in Ginger to volunteer for 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:58.399 a few weeks, and after days of desperation, the visiting 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:03.000 doctor recommended a new tree that plan. As the child 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.920 is recovering, I'm like sorting through the child's medical file 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:10.280 and I see on one of the papers from the 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:16.520 hospital it says necrotizing fasciitis question mark written in by 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:20.760 a doctor. That's medical speak for flesh eating disease. We 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.520 were searching for days, like, trying to figure out what 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:26.199 this was, how do we treat it. In the meantime, 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:30.760 this child's face was being eaten off. Okay, like you 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.080 saw this, you knew this was here, Like this child 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.280 had already been diagnosed. Before you discharge the child out 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.360 of the hospital, Why would you discharge them? And her 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:43.960 response was, well, yeah, they mentioned something about that, but 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.359 it just didn't sound like they knew what they were 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:51.159 talking about. Jackie didn't buy it. She thought there was 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.680 no way a hospital would have discharged the patient after 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.640 a diagnosis like that. I'm not going to say that, like, 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.480 you know, I can't imagine a world at or where 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:04.159 someone might say, okay, fine, take her home if you 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.880 want to. But I'm just saying it seems very bizarre 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.639 to me that it seemed to be happening to her constantly, 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.879 that doctors were just saying to her, you could do 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.880 a better job than we could do. For her part, 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:21.320 Renee admits that the discharged documents said that Patricia had 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:25.080 flesh eating disease, but she claims that the doctors in 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:29.520 Kampala told her it wasn't a big deal rooms um. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.600 And the person that I spoke with was like, oh, yeah, 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.120 like I it's like not a big deal. I don't know, 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.160 you know. So the person that wrote her discharged papers, 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.680 you know, wrote his findings in his summary whatever. Um. 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.880 And to be honest, I didn't even really read those um. 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:47.879 I brought them back and gave them to her nurses 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.800 to put in her file. I know, Jackie says, well, 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.159 you know, Renee said she didn't know about that or 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.320 wasn't a big deal. But then on these papers, and yeah, 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.359 because I didn't read the papers, I just listened to 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.240 what I was told. If that was an oversight by 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:04.439 our nurses, then that was an oversight um. Not to 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.080 cast any blame on anyone. Of course, slowly Patricia's swelling 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.480 went away, the wound on her face began closing up. 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.640 As Renee wrote in her blog, the most important thing 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.400 about the days that came is that we saw God 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.840 move in huge ways. He literally performed a miracle before 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:28.399 our eyes. The pictures on Renee's blog show Patricia with 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.520 a small bandage on her face. Her mother is beaming. 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.639 Patricia is sitting in her lap wearing a yellow polka 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.120 dot diaper. In another picture, she's making a mess out 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:42.239 of a bowl of beans and rice. Patricia stayed at 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.960 serving his children for a few more weeks before going home, 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:49.200 but to this day she has a large scar running 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.040 down the side of her face where the disease ate 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.320 away at her There was no need for that child 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.800 to have permanent scarring at all. Now. Granted, I am 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.679 surprised that child survived at all, but I'm sure they 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:03.640 would have been fine in the hospital, if not clearly better. 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:07.679 It did away with any illusions Jackie might have had 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.320