1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: What you hear in this podcast does not implicate any 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: individual or entity in any criminal activity. The views and 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: opinions are solely those of the individuals participating in the podcast. 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Renee Bach wants you to know something. Yes, she admits 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: a hundred and five children did die at her ng o, 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: but she did the best she could for them, hiring nurses, doctors, 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: bringing medical equipment from the US over to Uganda, even 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: paying for kids to go to private hospitals when things 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: got serious. We can't make a difference to everyone, but 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: we can't make a difference to some people. And just 11 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: because there are so many negative things happening, and people dying, 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: and you know, kids getting kidnapped, and when it seems 13 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: like the world is just kind of crashing down, that 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can't make a difference for that 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: one person. Renee and her lawyer implored, instead of focusing 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: on those inevitable tragedies, why don't we take a look 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: at the good that they did in Uganda from two 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: thousand nine, eight hundred other children came in sick and 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: starving and went home happy and healthy. To drive that 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: point home, Renee's mother, Lorie told us about a little 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: girl named Patricia, one of serving his children's smiling success stories. 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: She came in with her body swollen from head to 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: toe and covered in boils. Weeks later, she was back 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: to a regular way, back to being a messy eater, 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: and back home with her family. I think she's just 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: like nine or ten now, and she goes to school. 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: And I mean they're a family because they thought help 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: if somebody would be able to help them. So I mean, 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: that's just a whole great story right there. And then 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Lorie sent us a video. Oh no, it was an 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: interview with Patricia's father, James o'kello. Didn't he speaks in 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: the local language. But the subtitles underneath read this white 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: has helped us up to the time our daughter got well, 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: even up to date, we thank them. If you saw 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: the photos of Patricia on Rene's blog, swollen almost like 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: she was going to burst, you think it was nothing 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: short of a miracle. But the video also showed a 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: picture of Patricia now almost a teenager, and she has 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: a scar running down the side of her face, and 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: James says, we were told that the white lady is 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: being prosecuted for keeping the flesh of my daughter on 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: ice and eating it cannibalism. I can't say I have 43 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: that on my missionary bingo card in association with I 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Heeart Media. I'm Roger Gola. I I'm Malcolm Burnley and 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: this is the mission An Area, episode four, the video. 46 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: Before we got this video, Patricia wasn't really on our radar. 47 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: She wasn't part of the court case, and she wasn't 48 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: one of the hundred and five children who died at 49 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Renee's facility. But when we started looking into it, she 50 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: didn't seem like much of a success story either. The 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: first people who told me Patricia's story were Renee's former employees, 52 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: the ones that had written affidavits in the case against her. 53 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Jacqueline at Him, one of Renee's former social workers, told 54 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: me that Renee gave Patricia a blood transfusion when she 55 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: came to serving his children. Real needed that transfusion without 56 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: cross matching the blood. I think she just went on 57 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: go to blood and started transfugient immediately, and this kid 58 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: was in critical condition. The blood had banned and that 59 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: girl has a very big ska. The transfusion of this 60 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: girl from my UK called Patricia was not good because 61 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: one whereas he was transfused. Was not Igenique. The place 62 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: was not looking good. Indeed, the girl reacted to the blood. 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: She almost died. She just survived by God is a mercy. 64 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: That's Charles o'waeny, Rene's former program manager, and he told 65 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: me if I wanted to get to the bottom of 66 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Patricia's story, I needed to talk to the woman who 67 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: was actually there, who had seen all of it firsthand, 68 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: an American volunteer named Jackie Kramlick. Jacqueline Crumblin's was always 69 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: telling know what you're doing is wrong. Let the medical 70 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: people do it. If it was not Jacqueline Crumblin's, Patricia 71 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: would have died. Jackie Cramlick was a nursing student at 72 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: Jamestown College in North Dakota when she met Chris. He 73 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: was five years older and had just gotten back from 74 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: a rock where he served with the Army. We were 75 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: in acquired together at college, and then yeah, I knew 76 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: her older sister from high school, so so you just 77 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: kept asking me how my sister was doing, until finally 78 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: they hit it off right away. Chris is lean and athletic, 79 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: with the same stubbly beard and buzz cut. He got 80 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: in the army. He seems confident, impatient. Jackie's a little 81 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: shorter and just as cheery. They were both raised Christian 82 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: and held their faith close. Pretty soon they got married, 83 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: and when Jackie graduated and got her nursing degree, she 84 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: knew she could be useful abroad. That's when a friend 85 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: in Uganda told him about serving his Children and the 86 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: incredible woman running it, Renee. Without a second thought, Jackie 87 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: submitted a volunteer application, which we pulled from the court 88 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: files and asked them to read. We feel that the 89 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: size of serving His children maintains a sense of order, 90 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: while at the same time allows for God to move 91 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: and speak to the volunteer. We've been so encouraged by 92 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: the way Renee and other volunteers simply love Jesus and 93 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: love others. Serving His children is very to the point, 94 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: very biblical, and we think it is a perfect fit 95 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: for us. At the bottom of the application is a 96 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: little note. You don't have to be a licensed teacher 97 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: to teach, or be in the medical field to put 98 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: on band aids. You just have to have passion and 99 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: working knowledge in that area. The organization that Jackie and 100 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: Chris walked into was very different from the one that 101 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Renee started back in two thousand nine. In less than 102 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: two years, Renee had transformed serving his children into a 103 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: full fledged rehabilitation center. She was shipping in medical equipment 104 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: from the States and buying more materials for in house treatments. 105 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: By the time I was there, there was kind of 106 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: two parts of the house, So it was like the 107 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: general kids who are just kind of generally you know, ill, 108 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: and they're going through this process of being refed, and 109 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: most of them had I V S in and things 110 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: like that, and then there were kids who have kind 111 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: of It was this little tiny bedroom off the side 112 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: um of her living room, and it was painted red, 113 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: and there were two beds in there, and that is 114 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: where kids would be hooked up to oxygen or be 115 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: on more intensive IVY therapy, have more close monitoring. So 116 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the concept was not very different from what we would 117 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: consider you know, I See You in the sense that 118 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: kids who needed more intensive care went there. Renee called 119 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: this makeshift I See You the Red Room. The walls 120 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: were painted a deep red and were plastered with pictures 121 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: of children who had passed through the facility. One of 122 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: the first photos I saw Renee was actually taken in 123 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: the red room. In it, she stands with her head down, 124 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: arms stretched out, light filters in behind her, making a 125 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: halo around her whole body. As soon as I entered 126 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: in that room, it's when a lot of guesswork was 127 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: happening and a lot of actions that she was not 128 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: trained to do or happening. I was fit to like 129 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: provide medical care and whatever this is over my head, 130 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: like this is serious, serious, Nick, you take you walk care. 131 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: The list of medical procedures that Jackie says she saw 132 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: Renee perform reads like a med school curriculum, intramuscular injections 133 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: for moral artery puncture, blood transfusions, naso gastric tube insertion, 134 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: baby delivery, and the preparation of a dead body. In 135 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: terms of Ugandan's I don't know how you wouldn't enter 136 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: her as a doctor. I think the confusion live. And 137 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: did she ever say hello, my name is doctor Renee? 138 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely not now, she never said that in my presence. 139 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: Did she wear a stethoscope around her neck and assens 140 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: children and did uban and call her mousau, which is 141 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: in Luganda word for a doctor or nurse, Yes, they did. 142 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: She's giving that offense. She's providing I VS. She's doing 143 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: blood transfusions, she's assessing children, she's diagnosing, she's prescribing. I 144 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: don't really know how you can call those things, and 145 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: then in the same breath claim I've never representing myself 146 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: as a medical healthcare provider. What else would I be doing. 147 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: In her affidavit, Jackie claims that when she asked Renee 148 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: how she was making clinical decisions, Renee said that she 149 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: used a medical handbook, relied on her gut feeling, and 150 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: that she felt God would tell her what to do 151 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: for a child. It kind of stems from disbelief of 152 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: like God a sovereign f anything that happens was supposed 153 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: to happen. So this is really common in the missionary community. 154 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: So for example, child would die and you know, Renee 155 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: would have her hysterics, and then people would be like, 156 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Renee got a sovereign There's nothing you could have done. 157 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: Van would have prevented this, because if a child was 158 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: meant to die, child's going to die, and if God 159 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: wanted to prevent it, he would have prevented it. Despite 160 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Jackie's training, she noticed that Renee would call friends in 161 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: the States or even ask less qualified volunteers for medical advice. 162 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: To Chris, it almost felt like everyone was just playing house, 163 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: but after a child died without explanation, it became almost 164 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: too real. The point I guess for me is when 165 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: I had to drive the van one night to take 166 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: this child's body back of the village um when Jackie 167 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: wrote along too, and I'm driving and we get out 168 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: to the village and people are waiting for us like 169 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: they're wailing and watching Charles or whoever carry out this 170 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: body wrapped in a sheet. That just brought back memories 171 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: of Iraq to me and seeing people get killed there, 172 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, yeah, this is I mean 173 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: to me that this was as real as a war 174 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: at that point, like there were people dying here. She 175 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: knew that the way serving his children operated it wasn't right, 176 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: but no matter how bad it got, Jackie just wouldn't 177 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: or couldn't speak up. I felt like I didn't have 178 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: a right to tell this person who was viewed as 179 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: a superhero Christian viewed as you know, mother Teresa and Carnate. 180 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't have a right to tell 181 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: her certain things because I didn't have the same spiritual weight. 182 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have the same social weight as her, and 183 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: I just didn't know how to contet end with that. 184 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: But after a little girl left serving his children scarred 185 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: for life, Jackie knew she couldn't keep quiet any longer. 186 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: That entire case. There was so much about that case 187 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: and what went down that just was the absolute nail 188 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: in the coffin of me not being willing to give 189 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: her the benefit of the doubt anymore as to what 190 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: was happening. So then it becomes a whole different issue. Right, 191 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: This isn't just mistakes on other ignorance. This is mistakes 192 00:12:30,520 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: done attentional. That child's name was Patricia, it was fault 193 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: and Renee hadn't been to church in weeks. The red 194 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: room was overflowing with kids and she was exhausted. It 195 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a day of rest and worship, 196 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: but just as a service began, her phone rang. It 197 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: was Mama Fatima, one of her employees at the facility. 198 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: There were two parents at the door and their baby 199 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: was in critical condition. Renee grabbed her bag and hopped 200 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: in the car. She raced across Ginger to get back 201 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: to Missess. On the outskirts of town. When Renee got 202 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: to her facility, a little girl was waiting there for her. 203 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: She was just nine months old. Her parents had been 204 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: trying to find help at different clinics for weeks, but 205 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: nothing was working. Serving his children was their last resort. 206 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: It was clear that she was very ill. She was 207 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: completely swollen from head to toe, and it's hard to 208 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: know by just looking at a kid. You know, you 209 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: really have to do some investigations. So we weren't really 210 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: sure what was going on, but just ran some initial tests. 211 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: The blood tests came back with bad news. Patricia was 212 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: positive for malaria and had a severely low humo globe. 213 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Account At the time, Serving his children had a doctor 214 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: that would come in to make rounds a few times 215 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: a week. The doctor wasn't at the facility that day 216 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: because it was a Sunday. What was called and he said, yeah, 217 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: I should probably go ahead and start a blood transfusion, 218 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: So they started one pretty quickly, though Renee noticed something 219 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: wasn't right. Patricia space and neck were swelling up. Within 220 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: a few minutes, her throat was beginning to close, and 221 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: that's when Renee finally called Jackie. I get a call 222 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: from Renee on a Sunday and she's like, could you 223 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: come down to the house. There's this child there and 224 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: I think they're having in an anti flactic action, but 225 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't know because Google says that they're supposed to 226 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: have a rash and they don't have rash, So like, 227 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: could you come see? Blood? Transfusions have become one of 228 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: the more contentious and confusing allegations that have been lodged 229 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: against RENEE, so Halima went out to a few hospitals 230 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: to get a closer look. In her blog, she constantly 231 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: wrote about this desperate search for blood for the children 232 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: at her facility. After visiting countless hospitals and health centers, 233 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: I learned that there was a national blood shortage in Uganda, 234 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: a crisis in fact. On one of my visits to 235 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the children's hospital in Jina, I remember sitting outside of 236 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: the emergency room waiting for a doctor. As I'm waiting, 237 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: I see a nurse walk by and put the body 238 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: of an older child in a room in front of me, 239 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: and then I see the child's mother come out of 240 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: the room sobbing. Later, a doctor told me that that 241 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: family had been driving throughout the whole night searching for blood. 242 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: For their child. By the time they arrived in Ginger, 243 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: he was nearly dead. Months later, I reached out to 244 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: a malnutrition doctor to learn more about why blood transfusions 245 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: might have been used to treat severely malnourist kids at 246 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: serving his children and can you introduce yourself? What's your 247 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: name and where are you working now? Thank you very much. 248 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: My name is chi Yogo Sant. I'm walking at Embied 249 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: General Fido Hospital as a senior nutritionist and also I 250 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: Nevil as a regional nutritionist. Doctor Serage told me that 251 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: blood transfusions were incredibly risky procedures, especially for severely malnourist kids. 252 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: They were incredibly fragile and often have these other medical complications, 253 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: so even the slightest imbalances could result in death. That's 254 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: why only the most qualified experts or specialists to treat them. 255 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: They needed constant supervision. If someone is not trained any 256 00:16:54,640 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: nutrition and the management of the student, especially children with complications, 257 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: they will use or apply procedures that are not suitable 258 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: for them, that are suitable for other children, and this 259 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: would cause a lot of death in these children. Dr 260 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: Saraj said that in most cases, a child's hemoglobe account 261 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: would return to normal after a few days of close care, 262 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: but blood transfusions were an absolute last resort. The blood 263 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: itself causes complications, the transfusion would be very very dangerous 264 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: giving access with results to death of this CHILDE So 265 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: that was no one recommended. This is the sidious procedia, 266 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: the dangerous actually prosidia in these child is here, my god, 267 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: I started showing him photos that Renee had posted online 268 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: of children receiving blood transfusions at serving his children. Oh no, when, okay, 269 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: this is very well. Here he is getting your blood, franst. Wow. 270 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: And this child should should not be given a blood transfusion, 271 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: this one, I don't know for what reason, because the 272 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: child looks so stable and the child is well hydritten 273 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: because I can see look at the head, all these brains. 274 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: They shown that the child is okay. When the head 275 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: they appear is the eyes are bright, Charley is very stable. 276 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: Such a child should not be transfused. But I'm warning 277 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: from your perspective, um, you know, even if somebody is 278 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: very talented at putting in i VS, should people without 279 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: this experience, even medical professionals without nutrition expertise, be dealing 280 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: with these cases. No, no, no, no, you see, these 281 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: are sidious medical complications. It should be managed by pediatriction. 282 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Four years before Serving his Children was opened, there was 283 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 1: a study done at Uganda's bigg Ast Hospital and Lago 284 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: and it looked at more than two hundred severely malnourished 285 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: children who had died there in The study concluded that 286 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: blood transfusions and i VS were the main risk factors 287 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: in their deaths. Over the years, Renee has gone back 288 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: and forth on whether there were ever blood transfusions done 289 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: at Serving his Children. In an interview with The Smith 290 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: Mountain Eagle, she said, we do a lot of blood transfusions, 291 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: but in her response to the lawsuit, Renee denies that 292 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: Serving his Children performed blood transfusions. They sent children to 293 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: medical facilities to have them done elsewhere. When I asked 294 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: her about it again and whether she was personally involved 295 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: in starting any transfusions, her answer was puzzling. You individually 296 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: didn't start any book intrusions, even to under the discretion 297 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: of a doctor or Serving his Children did. Yes, um, 298 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: and I was usually involved in that process. But I 299 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: didn't like say Okay, this kid needs a blood transfusion 300 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: and then go and do it. Um, so that's not 301 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: to say that I wasn't involved in the process. So 302 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure that can be construed as doing it. I 303 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: started a lot of i VS for kids who got 304 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: blood transfusions, but I never carried out all of that 305 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: process on my own discretion. But at the end of 306 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the day, it's an argument over the semantics of a 307 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: risky medical procedure. Patricia was given a blood transfusion at 308 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: serving his children and unlicensed and unrecognized medical facility without 309 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: a doctor present. I don't know why. She was like 310 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: very averse to me being involved in those situations. You 311 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: don't want me here. You need to be in the 312 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: center of this. That's what's very clear to me. It's like, 313 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: not it's not about saving kids. It's a out you 314 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: being someone who saves kids. That's what this is about. 315 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: So I walk in on this and I'm like, in 316 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: this really like horrific situation of like not knowing if 317 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: they're in a state of shock. Did they come in 318 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: wheezing and swollen? I don't know. Jackie knew this was 319 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: more serious than she could handle. Stop the blood, give 320 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: ben and drill um, and then she rushes the child 321 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: to camp Paula. Patricia needed more blood transfusions, but the 322 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: hospital in Kampala didn't have her type. The doctor asked 323 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: Rena if she'd be willing to give a blood sample 324 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: to see if she was compatible. The test came back 325 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: be positive, exactly what Patricia needed. It was almost too 326 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: good to be true. Patricia was given a transfusion with 327 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Renee's blood and a few days later her condition stabilized. 328 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: She was discharged into Renee's care. But when they got 329 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: back to Ginger, Jackie noticed something strange. Slowly they settle, 330 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 1: bump appears on her cheek and it's like slowly creeping 331 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: down to her jugular like skin is like gaping off. 332 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: And I'm like going back and forth with the medical 333 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: team that I had in the States, trying to figure 334 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: out what they thought, what should we do. Renee took 335 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: photos of Patricia in this condition and posted them on 336 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: her blog. The skin on Patricia's cheek is black and 337 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: bloody and there's white puss around the edges. She has 338 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: plastic tubes running all over her body and looks like 339 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: she's barely hanging on. Jackie didn't know what the disease was, 340 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: but she knew she was running out of time to 341 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: figure it out. Every day, the wound was getting bigger 342 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: and deeper, making its way down to the blood vessels 343 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: and Patricia's neck. Fortunately, a group of nurses and doctors 344 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: from Alabama had just arrived in Ginger to volunteer for 345 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: a few weeks, and after days of desperation, the visiting 346 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: doctor recommended a new tree that plan. As the child 347 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: is recovering, I'm like sorting through the child's medical file 348 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: and I see on one of the papers from the 349 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: hospital it says necrotizing fasciitis question mark written in by 350 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: a doctor. That's medical speak for flesh eating disease. We 351 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: were searching for days, like, trying to figure out what 352 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: this was, how do we treat it. In the meantime, 353 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: this child's face was being eaten off. Okay, like you 354 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: saw this, you knew this was here, Like this child 355 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: had already been diagnosed. Before you discharge the child out 356 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: of the hospital, Why would you discharge them? And her 357 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: response was, well, yeah, they mentioned something about that, but 358 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: it just didn't sound like they knew what they were 359 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: talking about. Jackie didn't buy it. She thought there was 360 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: no way a hospital would have discharged the patient after 361 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: a diagnosis like that. I'm not going to say that, like, 362 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: you know, I can't imagine a world at or where 363 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: someone might say, okay, fine, take her home if you 364 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: want to. But I'm just saying it seems very bizarre 365 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: to me that it seemed to be happening to her constantly, 366 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: that doctors were just saying to her, you could do 367 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: a better job than we could do. For her part, 368 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Renee admits that the discharged documents said that Patricia had 369 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: flesh eating disease, but she claims that the doctors in 370 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: Kampala told her it wasn't a big deal rooms um. 371 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: And the person that I spoke with was like, oh, yeah, 372 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 1: like I it's like not a big deal. I don't know, 373 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: you know. So the person that wrote her discharged papers, 374 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, wrote his findings in his summary whatever. Um. 375 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't even really read those um. 376 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: I brought them back and gave them to her nurses 377 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: to put in her file. I know, Jackie says, well, 378 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, Renee said she didn't know about that or 379 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal. But then on these papers, and yeah, 380 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: because I didn't read the papers, I just listened to 381 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: what I was told. If that was an oversight by 382 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: our nurses, then that was an oversight um. Not to 383 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: cast any blame on anyone. Of course, slowly Patricia's swelling 384 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: went away, the wound on her face began closing up. 385 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: As Renee wrote in her blog, the most important thing 386 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: about the days that came is that we saw God 387 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: move in huge ways. He literally performed a miracle before 388 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: our eyes. The pictures on Renee's blog show Patricia with 389 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: a small bandage on her face. Her mother is beaming. 390 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: Patricia is sitting in her lap wearing a yellow polka 391 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: dot diaper. In another picture, she's making a mess out 392 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 1: of a bowl of beans and rice. Patricia stayed at 393 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: serving his children for a few more weeks before going home, 394 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: but to this day she has a large scar running 395 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: down the side of her face where the disease ate 396 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: away at her There was no need for that child 397 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: to have permanent scarring at all. Now. Granted, I am 398 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: surprised that child survived at all, but I'm sure they 399 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: would have been fine in the hospital, if not clearly better. 400 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: It did away with any illusions Jackie might have had 401 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: about Renee that she was acting selflessly as a good 402 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Samaritan would. A good Samaritan is walking down the street 403 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: and see somebody who falls over, and it's like, oh, 404 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: what do I do? I'm going to do my best. 405 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: It's a one off. It's probably the only time in 406 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: the entire life they find themselves in that situation. It's 407 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: not a good Samaritan. She created an e r in 408 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: her living room and then always happened to find herself 409 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: in an emergency. It's like, you don't get to place 410 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: yourself in an e er and then claim what was 411 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: an emergency. She wasn't a good Samaritan. She was a fraud. 412 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: Like that's the difference. Like if I were to walk 413 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: into an ear and just start like willing nearly treating 414 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: people because the line is long, you bet your butt, 415 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: I'd be like kicked out of there and arrested in 416 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: two seconds. That is not a good Samaritan. Law Today, 417 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Renee admits that her memory of the whole Patricia saga 418 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: is a bit hazy. What you don't understand is that 419 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: I lived in Negana for ten years and Patricia is 420 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: one of like almost a thousand kids that was like this, 421 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: and so recounting her exact story and then being held 422 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: and bound by those details on record for the media 423 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: is really tough because then it kind of is that 424 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: he said, she said game. You know, Jackie's like, well, no, 425 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: Renee said this or Renee did this, And I'm like, honestly, 426 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: don't remember that happening, But if Jackie said it did, 427 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: it's probably true because she likely has a better memory. 428 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: What happened with Patricia is what happened eight times out 429 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: of ten with kids that walked into our front door. 430 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: And honestly, I know it's been said like, oh, she's 431 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: scarred for life from Renee or whatever, and Jackie's had 432 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: a lot of really negative things to say about that 433 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: instance and me in that situation, and I'd love to 434 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: say some really negative things about Jackie and the instituation, 435 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: but in all honesty, Jackie is the one that determined 436 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: the drug that stopped that flash eating bacteria, and so 437 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: if it weren't for Jackie, she could have died. Renee 438 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: denies all of Jackie's accusations entirely. She says she never 439 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: did any of the medical procedures that Jackie claims. She 440 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: says she trusted her local staff and that she only 441 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: assisted when asked by professionals. I was always encouraged and 442 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: led to believe that, like, yes, if someone else can't 443 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: meet this need and you have the know how, then 444 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: you should agree. You know, if someone said can you 445 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: start this I V and you know how? Like, well, 446 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: why would she not? And she denies wanting to push 447 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: Jackie away. Instead, she says that Jackie just couldn't handle 448 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: working at the clinic. Renee says she was too emotional, 449 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't take advice from local nurses, and just wasn't ready 450 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: for Uganda. Any time you start a new job, everyone 451 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: who's been there longer than you was always going to 452 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: be like, you don't know anything. You're just such a newie, 453 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: you know. It's so definitely a part of me thinks like, oh, 454 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: come on, Jackie, like buss your heart. You haven't been 455 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: there that long, and your world was very sheltered while 456 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: you were there because you self admittedly like emotionally couldn't 457 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: handle the tough reality of being in a developing situation 458 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: like that. So I don't know that it's really fair 459 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: for you to say like what you would or wouldn't 460 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: have done in this situation. Renee also says that Jackie 461 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: never actually got a license to practice nursing in Uganda, 462 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: which means any medical work that Jackie did would have 463 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: been illegal, But Jackie says that she was told by 464 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: Renee's mother that a nursing license was unnecessary. Shortly after 465 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: Patricia went home, Jackie resigned from serving his children. She 466 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: wrote a letter addressed to the board of directors, made 467 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: up of a few church leaders from back in Virginia. 468 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: The letter was polite, but offered a stern warning of 469 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: what was going on and serving his children. I don't 470 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: wanted a letter to like be like, oh, you're undoubtedly 471 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: motivate it in an intelligent and blah blah blah, but 472 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: you're not trained. And the response is like, that's hurtful, 473 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: and like the fact that you find that hurtful, it's 474 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: really troubling. I don't know what you find hurtful about 475 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: the fact that you're not a trained professional. What you're 476 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: saying is it's hurtful to you to be told that 477 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: you're not believe you are like this fantasy of yourself. 478 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: Years later, Jackie would even help file a police report 479 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: against Renee. No one's going to call out a girl 480 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: who has like dropped her life and moved here and 481 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: is serving serving serving to be like, are you really 482 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: doing this right? Well, they look like a huge asshole now. 483 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: No White Saviors seized on Patricia's story. They shared Renee's 484 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: blogs and photos. The captions reminded followers quote Renee was 485 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: not a license or trained medical professional. Her center was 486 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: also not a licensed medical facility. Yet here they are 487 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: giving a blood transfusion to a critically ill child. There 488 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: was no doubt that Renee and Lorie were losing the 489 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: online battle. It looked like they were losing the ground 490 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: game too. No White Saviors had been canvassing Uganda for 491 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: families who had suffered injury or death at serving his children, 492 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: convincing them to join up in the cause. No White 493 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: Saviors even convinced former volunteers and employees to join the 494 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: lawsuit and put them in touch with journalists ourselves included. 495 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: But Lorie believed she had an ace in the whole. 496 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: A video testimony of Patricia's father, Laurie told me about it. 497 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: This is the child that No w Saviors is saying 498 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: that Renee just figured this child, and Renee did this, 499 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: and you know they're using it to crustify her. But 500 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: the family themselves actually are so thankful and are willing 501 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: to do whatever they can to the corney. That's just 502 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: like one of the kids. The questions appear on a 503 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: black title screen, and James Akello, Patricia's father, answers them 504 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: directly to the camera. He's speaking in his local language, 505 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: and English subtitles are pasted underneath. He speaks quietly and calmly, 506 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: but his eyes keep starting throughout such a James offered 507 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: a glowing review of the services his daughter had received. 508 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: He says that Renee paid for all of Patricia's hospital bills, 509 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: nearly a thousand dollars. He says he's grateful for Renee 510 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: and his eyes the woman who saved his daughter's life. 511 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: I have never seen the white lady treating my child, 512 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: but what I saw our local medics came in to 513 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: treat my child. But the next question, that's what this 514 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: video was really about and why we think Lorie shared 515 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: it with us in the first place. It goes like this, 516 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: will you briefly explain how you met the people who 517 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: are asking you to accuse the white lady, Renee Bach, 518 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: of chopping the meat off of your child. The first 519 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: time we went to serving his children, we met Joyce 520 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: aunt Jackie pastor who would always preach to console us 521 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: every time, and the black man who was the driver. 522 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: James goes on to say that earlier that year he 523 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: was approached by some of Renee's former employees. He says 524 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: they offered to pay his family to give testimony in 525 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: the civil suit that no white save years had helped 526 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: bring against Renee and Gina's High Court. That case is 527 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: still under deliberation. James said they wanted him to say 528 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: that Renee had cut off the skin of his daughter 529 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: and eaten it up. Dumbs mind. Cannibalism is a pretty 530 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: old trope in Africa. In colonial times, missionaries would write 531 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: stories about the man eating cannibals they had encountered in 532 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: the wild. In the seventies, Uganda's old dictator Idioman is 533 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: said to have told a reporter, I don't like human flesh. 534 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: It's too salty for me. The press needless to say, 535 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: ate it up. And if you remember hearing about Joseph 536 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: Coney in two thousand twelve, you might remember claims that 537 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 1: he made soldiers drink blood or eat human flesh. Even 538 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: these days it's not uncommon to see headlines in the 539 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Uganda tabloid's about witch doctors in the village making potions 540 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: out of the body parts of children. If Renee's critics 541 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: wanted a headline that was sure to generate clicks and retweets, 542 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: what could be better than white savior eats black babies. 543 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: But in the video, James completely refutes that will do 544 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: the thing to yok and come each other. He goes 545 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: on to say, even for ten million shillings, I can't 546 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: take it and I cannot falsely testify accusing the woman 547 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: who treated my child. But the experience spooked James so 548 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,919 Speaker 1: much that since then he has kept Patricia and hiding. Yeah, 549 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: we are afraid because the other people here cautioned me 550 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: that these people can come at any time to kidnap 551 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: and kill the child in order to change the case. Okay, 552 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: So as an attempt to clear Renee's name, the video 553 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: sort of falls short because the story James tells is 554 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: just so full of holes. First off, he makes no 555 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: mention of the flesh eating disease that nearly killed his daughter. Then, 556 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: when asked whether Renee ever performed medicine on Patricia, he 557 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: says he never saw any white person touches child, even 558 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: though Jackie Kramlick and a team of visiting doctors tended 559 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: to her for weeks. He even admits that he wasn't 560 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: around at the facility that much. It was his wife 561 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: who stayed by Patricia's side, so how could he speak 562 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: confidently about the care. Finally, No White Saviors, the former employees, 563 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: and the lawyers, none of them had ever accused Renee 564 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: of cannibalism. James was defending her from an allegation that 565 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: no one had made the purpose of the video seemed 566 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: less about Patricia as a success story and more about 567 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: smearing the other side for tampering with witnesses. It wasn't 568 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: the only time, and this happened, according to Renee, No 569 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: White Saviors was paying off Charles, the former program manager 570 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: at serving his children, and so I honestly feel like 571 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: he The NWS had already offered him an extensive amount 572 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: of money to take him to clients, and he was like, well, 573 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: if we sit down and you offer me more money 574 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: than I'll basically work for you and work for you 575 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: by not working for them. Did indicate that that's just 576 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: a personal hunch. Yeah. She also said that both Charles 577 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: and Jacqueline, the former social worker at serving his children. 578 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: We're going around town and swaying ex employees not to 579 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: speak up on behalf of Renee, often through extreme tactics, 580 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: because all of those guys, I think, said more than 581 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: once like oh, Renee's I mean, they said things like 582 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: Renee said she will kill herself if I testify against 583 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: her in court. Renee said she'll just commit suicide. So 584 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: they're they're saying all kinds of things like that. Renee 585 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: said She's going to burn down my house if I 586 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: testify against her court. And soon enough, Renee's camp wasn't 587 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: just accusing No White Saviors or the former employees of 588 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: tampering with the case. She was now starting to accuse 589 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: us of bribery and conspiracy. I'd spend time reporting with 590 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: and about No White Saviors, and Lorie would tell you 591 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 1: that I was working for them, even called me the 592 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: NWS journalist. I tried to explain, you were embedding as 593 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: a reporter, trying to see the world through their eyes. 594 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: Renee even asked me if you were dating Kelsey, which 595 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: was crazy. It was clear that they were trying to 596 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: drive a wedge between us. I even heard a rumor 597 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: in Ginger that I had been fired from the investigation 598 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: for bribing sources to give false testimonies. To me, this 599 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: felt like another window into Lorie and Renee's worldview. Again 600 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: and again they viewed these small, isolated events in their 601 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: lives as being part of some broader evil or a 602 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: broader grace. Lori and Renee's this whole case not as 603 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: one based on what actually happened at Serving his Children, 604 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: but as a campaign engineered by people with personal vendettas 605 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,839 Speaker 1: against Renee. It was a version of the story where 606 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: Renee was the real victim. So yeah, to them, I 607 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: was just another conspirator. It seemed like every time our 608 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: team started investigating some part of this story, something would 609 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: come up to try to throw us off the scent 610 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: or distract us from our investigation, And each time that happened, 611 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: the truth of what actually went on at Serving his 612 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: Children all of those years ago got muddier and muddier. 613 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: The video and the cannibalism rumors were a message that bribes, intimidation, 614 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: and other criminal activities were happening in the backdrop of 615 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: our investigation. But was any of that real, or was 616 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: it an attempt to take the focus off of Renee 617 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: and put the blame on everyone, anyone but her. On 618 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: the next episode of The Missionary, we go beyond the 619 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: media frenzy and the rumors to try to find the 620 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,799 Speaker 1: medical facts what happened. Now, I've got a story that 621 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: got me just I even wanted to just throw this 622 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: at somewhere for real. It got me so emotional, and 623 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: it's all about this fake ass, you know, white supremacist. 624 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: She ain't even a doctor. She didn't get children who 625 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: were fine from the villages, but she was getting children 626 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: from the villages who are the spirit to bring them 627 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: and how at least they for them to afford a 628 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: smile if they were readying those children who are dying 629 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: happy being attended to. Saw that video running, so she 630 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: wanted to know the issues to do that first. It 631 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: went down. Producer Primary Port The Missionaries produced an association 632 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: with iHeartMedia. It's written and reported by Roger Gola, Helene 633 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: mcge Coondi, and Malcolm Burnley. 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