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Speaker 1: No, they would have, and it would have been very

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Speaker 3: So it's a very intense relationship. You can see how

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Speaker 2: father of two. Meghan and Christopher are having an affair.

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00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Meghan and Gregory are a former couple with four children,

430
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: and they are battling out over custodial issues. It never

431
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: occurred to me that Meghan might have chosen to involve

432
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: herself in a relationship with somebody she thought might have

433
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: a better idea on how to kill and get rid

434
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: of somebody. And to be honest with you, now that

435
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: You've opened up that door of my brain. That's all

436
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: I can think about. Do you know how to kill it?

437
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: I mean no, not you, Joe, just in general. I mean,

438
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: if you're looking for somebody, I mean, you want to

439
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: get rid of them, who are you going to look for? Well,

440
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: a deputy corner would be a good place to start,

441
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: I would think, but based on what happened here, he

442
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: was the wrong one.

443
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, I can't tell you how many times

444
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: I've been the button of jokes relative to that. It's

445
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it's a door that people like to work through comically

446
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: and walk through comically. I think they, you know, it's

447
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: always wink wink, nudge, nudge, you know about Well, we've

448
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: got the guy here that knows how to get rid

449
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: of a body, you know, and that that'll happen, you know,

450
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: very you know, with some frequency. I hear. I've heard

451
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: that joke for years and years. But let's face it.

452
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not so much the knowing how

453
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: to do it as it is the observation of how

454
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: people have previously done it and how they screwed up.

455
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: And that's the.

456
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: Big piece of this, you know, the last several years

457
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: of doing Nancy Grace doing crime stories with Nancy Grace

458
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: doing it on when she was on hl N, CNN,

459
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 2: and all the other incarnations. You and I have been

460
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: on those shows. You've been on every network there is

461
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: talking about Usually it's a crime, somebody's dead and you're

462
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: having to break down all the things that happened. And

463
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: I've been on these shows listening to you over the years,

464
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: and you would be amazed at how many times I

465
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: sit there and I think, I really wish I had

466
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: paid attention in biology class. I had no clue. I

467
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: have to look words up most of the time when

468
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: you're talking about stuff. Oh lord, it's just it's amazing

469
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: to me. But here's the thing I didn't really know

470
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: until I was watching the TV show Ozark that if

471
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: you even when you puncture the lungs when you try

472
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: to think a body and they tend to float up anyway.

473
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they do. I got to tell you. It's

474
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: there's any number of ways that I have borne witness

475
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: to people attempt to get rid of bodies and failed miserably.

476
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: And of course, and I saw this played out a

477
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: lot in my career in New Orleans, in particular because

478
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: you're It always fascinated me, and this comes back to

479
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: to this area as well. It always fascinated me that

480
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: we have the I guess you could get into an

481
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: argument with a wildlife biologists to say what is the

482
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: actual apex predator in North America and some would argue, well,

483
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: perhaps a brown bear or a grizzly bear. My money

484
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: is always on an alligator. And so being in swampy areas,

485
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: I was always fascinated by people that would go to

486
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: a swamp and wrap bodies in plastic and then walk

487
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: away from them and get rid of a body that way,

488
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to going out and seeking out an area

489
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: where you might have the apex predator on the North

490
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: American continent that is an eating machine and you you know,

491
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: and I would see that many times. So it played

492
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: out many times in cases that I'd worked, thinking if

493
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: you had just gone, you know, like half a mile away,

494
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here. A matter of fact, people would

495
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: still be saying, well, you know, we're gym at or

496
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: you know where Susie at because we haven't seen a

497
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: long time. Well there's a reason I ain't seen her. Uh,

498
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: there's Sometimes it almost appears as though, that people overthink things,

499
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: and Nancy has actually asked me questions, David, I got

500
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: to say this kind of a personal confession here. Nancy's

501
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: actually asked things of me on on air before, and

502
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I've been hesitant to say them because because I don't

503
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: know who's listening and he's watching, and it's and I've

504
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: had people ask me that question. They'll say, does it

505
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: ever bother you that you're teaching people? You know, these things?

506
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: But I guess you could say that. I guess you

507
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: could say that if you were an accounting professor at

508
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University where I teach. You know, well, if

509
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: if you're an accounting professor, or do you think that

510
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: they're teaching people how to cook the books, how to

511
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: under money? Well, well, part of it maybe I don't.

512
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, But it all comes down to what's

513
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: in the heart of the person, right how they're going

514
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: to use that information.

515
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Look at the television shows over the last thirty years. Yeah,

516
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: and you're talking about crime dramas and dramas about the

517
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: health you know, in the hospital from the Yard of

518
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: Grey's anatomy to the relationships that go on in those situations.

519
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: You had dead people all the time to crime dramas.

520
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we are fascinated with, those things

521
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: that are on the other side, that crime, the other

522
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: side of what we see as polite society and right

523
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: and wrong. And the next step is, Okay, once you've

524
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: killed somebody, if you want to get away with it,

525
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? And what we end

526
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: up reporting on most of the time is what somebody

527
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: did that led to them getting caught and spending the

528
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: rest of their life in prison. And what boggles my

529
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: mind is how people decide to kill somebody so flippantly

530
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: that they can't even stay out of jail for a month.

531
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: You took a permanent solution, and you didn't plan to

532
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: get away enough to be gone for a month.

533
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And that's that is the fascinating part. And

534
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: I think that that plays in deeply with this case,

535
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: in particular with mister Rice's homicide. And I'll go ahead

536
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: and plainly say that this is a homicide and it's

537
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: a continuing homicide investigation to you that has yet to

538
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: be adjudicated, except for one part that I want to

539
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: get to here very quickly. That is fascinating. We don't

540
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: see this happen very often. But back back to our

541
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: primary focus when we think about these circumstances, what we

542
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: got involved, well, two major pieces of evidence in this case, Dave. Obviously,

543
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: I've kind of buried the lead here because we do

544
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: have a body that has been discovered, that has been

545
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: wrapped in a tarp and has been weighted down with

546
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: center blocks. But also that old bit of evidence that's

547
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: kind of new evidence that keeps popping up is digital evidence.

548
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: We've got this individual that has assisted, if you'll allow

549
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: me to say that, in the taking of the life

550
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: of another person, and his digital fingerprints are all over

551
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: this thing.

552
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Dave, unbelievable that forensic data recovery is a I know

553
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: it's been ongoing pursuit for the last twenty years, but

554
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: now we've gotten to this point where in this particular case,

555
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: it wasn't just the fact that they had text messages

556
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: from Ms Jackson to mister John tell say I'm gonna

557
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: cut his brakes, which, by the way, cutting breaks on

558
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: a car really, come on.

559
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: Do they watch Mannix? I know, I don't know.

560
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Barnarie, Harry O, Mannix and Rockford were all

561
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: out in the garage Barby Jones. Yeah, yeah, Barnardy did.

562
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is, who really know? Really you're

563
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: going to cut breaks? Which one? Do you even know

564
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: where to begin with that?

565
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: Right?

566
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: Most people don't look maybe in the movies or TV shows,

567
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: but it doesn't I mean, if that's your thing, really

568
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: go ahead, you know. Do you really think they're not

569
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: going to figure that out when they look under there

570
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: and say, gee, this break line has been cut.

571
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: You know precisely? And if your deputy corner you should

572
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: know better than that, because yeah, the car is not

573
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: a dead body. However, you are around enough people in forensics,

574
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: trust me, you know them. And there's a thing called

575
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: tool marks. And if you were to even attempt to

576
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: do that, uh, and not involving in a homeside I

577
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: guess I guess you're going to The whole idea is

578
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: that in one of the flattest areas of the country, right,

579
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: you're going to cut the brake line on somebody so

580
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: that their brake sail and they, I don't know, run

581
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: down the one hill that might be in Hory County

582
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: and slam into a building or tree. It's it's not

583
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: going to profit you much at that point time. So

584
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: you look at that that train of logic there, and

585
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: you see that these are not individuals that are really

586
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: for thinking, as you mentioned just a second ago. They're

587
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: they're not They're not able to see the long game here,

588
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: because the fact is is that, uh, you know, we

589
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: we've got we've got this individual whose phone, whose phone

590
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: is literally approximating the same location as the deceitent.

591
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: How was the guydad, Joe, I meant to ask you

592
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: that a minute ago. How did he actually die? I

593
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: know we had him wrapped up and put in the water,

594
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 2: but was he shot stabbed?

595
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: Well, we shot, he's executed. Yeah, he's he's been executed

596
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: and shot in the back of the head apparently, And

597
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: of course by the time he's recovered, he's he's in

598
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: again in a moderate to advanced state of decomposition. At

599
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: this point, I've been dead for a month in the swamp, yeah, river.

600
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: But but here we go. We're back to my old

601
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: term of cocooning. And so you wrap a body up

602
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 1: and they did this with zip tized. By the way,

603
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: they zip tied both ends of the bag and secured

604
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: it with cinder blocks. Listen, I mean, I guess and principle.

605
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: It's a great idea if you're, you know, watching a

606
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: movie and you're writing a script, but is it practical.

607
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: There is a high probability they're going to find the

608
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: decedents remains, and when you do find them.

609
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: Day.

610
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: One of the reasons I like to use that term

611
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: cocooning is that you are containing that body in total.

612
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Now you might have water that has entered into the back,

613
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: but anything that's there, some of that fine particulate matter

614
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: that might be there, You're going to prevent perhaps any

615
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: kind of aquatic life from attacking areas where you might

616
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: have injuries. They won't be as much as degraded as

617
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: they would have been otherwise if they left the body

618
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: completely exposed. So, you know, for all of your care

619
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: and your preparation of ending this man's life, a man

620
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: who by the way, was the father of four children,

621
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: you know you've failed miserably.

622
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: Day, Yeah, Joe, to try to tell this story timeline,

623
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 2: thumbnail sketch, what everyone you know? Very sure?

624
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: Here we go.

625
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: Gregory Rice is forty six years old. He has four

626
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: children with Megan Jackson, who is thirty nine. Four children.

627
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: They never got married during their long relationship, but have

628
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: four children. Now that they are broken up, they're negotiating

629
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: visitation and support. Christopher Dantell works as a deputy corner.

630
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: I meant to mention Megan Jackson has a contract with

631
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: the county to pick up dead bodies and take them

632
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: to funeral home or to the corner or whoever needs

633
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: the body. That's what she picks up and takes. That's

634
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: how Meghan Jackson and Christopher Dantell get to know one another. Again.

635
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: He's deputy corner, So there you go. Person delivering the

636
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: dead bodies would get to know the deputy corner. When

637
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Gregory Rice is reported missing in the midst of this

638
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: support and visitation negotiation with Meghan Jackson, the suspicious eyes

639
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: of the county fall on Christopher Dantell and Meghan Jackson.

640
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: It's an open secret they're having an affair, apparently, And

641
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: when Gregory Rice's body is found in the Little Pedee River,

642
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: there's enough evidence to charge murder. He's been shot five times,

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Speaker 2: he's been wrapped in a tart and tied up to

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Speaker 2: his cinder blocks and sunk right, but his body floats

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Speaker 2: back up anyway, and that's why we're here. So at

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Speaker 2: the Christopher d'antell's trial. They're getting ready to start. Jury

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Speaker 2: selection is finished, and as things are moving forward, Christopher

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Speaker 2: d'antell changes his plea from not guilty to murder and

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Speaker 2: accessory after the fact. He actually says, I'll plead guilty

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Speaker 2: to accessory after the fact. Give it to the murder charge.

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Speaker 2: They'll agree to it.

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Speaker 1: Boom.

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Speaker 2: Here is what was said by the senior Assistant Solicitor

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Speaker 2: Mary Ellen Walter to Circuit Court Judge Alex Hymon. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna paraphrase Megan Jackson said to Christopher dantell. Essentially, it

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Speaker 2: was him or you. I need you to go get

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Speaker 2: him out of the cooler at the Myrtle Beach Funeral

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Speaker 2: Home and get rid of him. She then goes on

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Speaker 2: to say, we then have surveillance video of mister don

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Speaker 2: Tell at the Lowe's Home improvement store purchasing items that

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Speaker 2: were later found to be used to dispose of greg

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Speaker 2: Rice's body, specifically a tarp, ragets, straps, two cinder blocks,

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Speaker 2: and some zip ties. There you have it. It was

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Speaker 2: that and a few other things that make Christopher Dontell go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm out. I'm tapped. I am tapping out. And that's

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Speaker 2: what he does. He is not going to testify at

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Speaker 2: Megan Jackson's trial coming up in February.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting, though, to see how this,

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Speaker 1: how this unwinds as we move forward, because this is

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Speaker 1: it's an unusual case. That's why I wanted to cover it,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you know, from the perspective of an

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Speaker 1: old medical legal death investigator, and then from the perspective

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Speaker 1: of of these two that thought that they could get

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Speaker 1: away with the case. And finally one of the co

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Speaker 1: conspirators here, you know, has a change of heart at

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Speaker 1: the last moment. I guess he could potentially see the

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Speaker 1: light of day at some point in time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina Penitentiary time's hard, Tom Dave, and he's got

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Speaker 1: a long road ahead of him. I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: interested if she decides to take maybe a plea going forward,

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Speaker 1: But at this point, she's still innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't rolled over on anything. And we'll keep an

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Speaker 1: eye out for the upcoming trial of Megan Jackson, who,

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Speaker 1: again thirty nine years old, was working as a livery

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Speaker 1: driver for the Hory County Corner's Office and decided to

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Speaker 1: end the life of a man that she had created

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Speaker 1: for lives with. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is

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Speaker 1: Bodybacks