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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack

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Speaker 1: and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find

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Speaker 1: the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we are covering the Ohio State versus Michigan game aka

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Speaker 1: the game from nineteen ninety seven with Heisman Trophy winner,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame cornerback Slash safety and my Fox teammate

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Speaker 1: Charles Woodson. And we're talking the hate between Ohio State

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Speaker 1: and Michigan.

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Speaker 2: If we were ten and we beat Ohio State, that

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Speaker 2: it was a good season.

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Speaker 1: A little Brett fav Aaron Rodgers talk.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that history repeated it. So that's

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Speaker 2: what we're saying, and this dude can spin it.

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Speaker 1: And the perks of being a Heisman winner.

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Speaker 2: That's who you are, Like, that's what you're referred as.

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Speaker 2: They can't take that away from you.

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Speaker 1: And then we talk about what it's like playing football

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving and this week's Chill Zone presented by cores

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Speaker 1: like you gotta stick around to the very end. Let's

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Speaker 1: go Thanksgiving off your body. Yeah, I'm thankful for you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Games and Names the production of iHeartRadio November twenty second,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, Michigan Stadium and Arbor, Michigan.

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Speaker 2: The ninety fourth edition of the game, and a trip

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Speaker 2: to the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 1: On the line, Woodson fields the punt. He got one block,

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Speaker 3: This is Ohio State versus.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names Today, we are going over

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Speaker 1: the game nineteen ninety seven Ohio State versus Michigan with

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Speaker 1: the goat Charles Woodson. Charles Woodson in one sentence, why

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Speaker 1: this game?

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Speaker 2: Oh man? This was I think in terms of really

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Speaker 2: putting myself on the map, this was the game.

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Speaker 1: This was it is this the greatest game of all time.

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Speaker 2: It's the greatest rivalry in sports. Michigan Ohio state. You

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Speaker 2: don't get no better than that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better. And I can't wait to

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Speaker 1: You grew up in Ohio, you were mister Ohio and

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Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, and you go to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: What the hell is that all about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Good question, man. Well I get that question a lot,

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Speaker 2: you know, But yeah, I grew up in Northwest Ohio

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Speaker 2: He loved Michigan. He loved Michigan. Loved that wing helmet,

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Speaker 1: Man, it gets a lot of people in the nineties,

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Speaker 2: So he loved the team, and so you know, him

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, he uh he's uh sixteens, you know, junior

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Speaker 2: Probably like, man, we can't get that kid, you know

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Speaker 2: And I never wanted to be that guy, yeah, you know, uh,

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Speaker 2: Oh man always and then not only that, man, you

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Speaker 2: just I lose it? Man? You control that better?

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Speaker 1: Can you can? You got imagine you roll up here.

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Speaker 1: the other teams, Charles Woodson, the greatest fucking defensive football

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Speaker 2: He's like, hopefully his motivation? Man, make the right call?

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Speaker 2: Come on? Come on, man? You know man that it's tough.

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Speaker 1: We were we were watching a lot of your highlights

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Speaker 1: and man, you were so good around the ball. You

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Speaker 1: remember you taking one from Megatron. Didn't you come over

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Speaker 1: You got to play with Tim Brown and Jerry Jerry Rice.

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Speaker 1: He's still moving back then, what I know he had

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, man, Jane. He played hard. Yeah, on and

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Speaker 2: one on ones with with Tim. I'm you know, it's

431
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: my first practice man, and he runs like a triple

432
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: quadruple move on me. I'm like, what's one on ones man?

433
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You know it's about you know,

434
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: this is like my welcome to the NFL moment. I'm like, man,

435
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: but uh the triple post corner posts. Yeah, you know,

436
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, like, if you got to do

437
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: all that to beat me, man, then I must be

438
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: pretty good, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, those

439
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: guys made you better, man. Jerry Rice was you know,

440
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: you always heard the stories about Jerry about how hard

441
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: he worked, and that was that was real. I mean

442
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 2: that was as advertised. Like if you went up against

443
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: Jerry and one on ones and you jammed Jerry, He's

444
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: gonna have to line up immediately the next plan, you

445
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: was gonna have to do it again like he he.

446
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: You weren't just going to have him defeated on the

447
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: football field catch the ball. He was going to sprint

448
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, thirty forty yards whatever.

449
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: It was.

450
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 2: So playing against those guys, man, they were they were excellence,

451
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: you know. So you know you can't help but get

452
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: better when you're around those guys that they were true,

453
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: true professionals.

454
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: You love that offhand jam, didn't you?

455
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 2: I love quick jam?

456
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: You loved the quick jam. I've seen your quick jam

457
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: a bunch.

458
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: I tried to have a few things in my my repertoire.

459
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: Who was susceptible as a receiver to get the quick jam?

460
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: And your feet were staggered every time. Yeah, I would

461
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: have read it.

462
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you you probably would have read it, but

463
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: you probably would have read wrong. But usually usually the

464
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: bigger guys, bigger guys, bigger guys. And then I mean,

465
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: if you're on, if you're on the line of scrimmage,

466
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: then that would be that would be the guy. The

467
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: guys off the ball. I mean some of you guys, man,

468
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: you lined up in the backfield trying to get away

469
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: from the jam man. You know what I mean? Yeah,

470
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: you should be.

471
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: It should be penalties called on some of you guys

472
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: as far as far back as you guys are lined

473
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: up Canada.

474
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you got. I'll be I'll be looking

475
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: at the ref like, ruff is this guy playing receivers?

476
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: He a halfback? What are we doing? What's going on? Man? Yeah?

477
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: So you bet you offensive guys. You guys get away

478
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: with everything.

479
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: We do is we sell the tickets, buddy, you guys

480
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: win the championships, we sell the tickets.

481
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Okay.

482
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: So, uh, who is the who is the toughest cover

483
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: for you in your career?

484
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 2: Marvin? I was Marvin Harrison Harris. Yeah, Marvin man Lightning,

485
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: quick as lightning, you know. And I played him a

486
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: couple of times when I was you know, I think

487
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: my rookie year in my second year played them in Indie.

488
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: So we played them in the turf. He's down there

489
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: with Peyton Manning, and you know, Marvin was always joked

490
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: that Marvin was you know, he was going to line

491
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: up on the defensive left offenses, right, and that's what

492
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: he was gonna be. Yeah, damn it. And that's what

493
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: it was.

494
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 4: You know.

495
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: It wasn't a whole lot of motion and trying to

496
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: get him open and all that stuff. You had to

497
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: line up. You had to play Marvin head up. And

498
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: I mean to me, he he had it all. He was,

499
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: you know, as fast, he was quick. He ran good routes,

500
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: elite hands, elite hands in and out of his breaks,

501
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: you know good. So I feel like, you know, just

502
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: coming into the league and playing against him, you know,

503
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: that was I would say, you know, before I was seasoned,

504
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: I would say that was the best guy I played against.

505
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: And he always seemed to be comfortable and the uncomfortable. Yeah,

506
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Like for a small guy, he used to get like

507
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: back shoulders and he would play fadeball with the best

508
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: of them. And he was he was like five eight everything.

509
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean, short routes, intermediate routes, deep routes, seven routes,

510
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 2: over routes, you know whatever. He had it all. Like

511
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: you had to cover. You had to cover all the

512
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: routes with him.

513
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: Maybe in like five years, six years, we'll have another

514
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Charles Woodson rematch.

515
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: Oh Man, how about it with the sun. How crazy

516
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: would that be? Oh Man? Yeah, I like the sound

517
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: of that, but.

518
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: He's he's bigger than his dad. It'd be a different matchup.

519
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: And your kid looks just like you on the field,

520
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: he's like the same body.

521
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Same body type.

522
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

523
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: It had to be like be like me and Megatron,

524
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: Like Megatron was like that Megatrons.

525
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 1: Was he hard to cover Mega Tron?

526
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, because you know he for one, he was

527
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: six four six or five whatever he is, so you

528
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 2: know he's got that you know, that long catch radius, tall,

529
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: he could run, and he's a big dude. He wasn't

530
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: like a you know, slender dude. So so he's a

531
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: big dude as well, So you you know he was

532
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: he was one of those guys that you know, if

533
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: if he got that step on you, then you know

534
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: you're not you're not recovering.

535
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: And he's never covered even if he's covered because he's

536
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: so big.

537
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like you said, like I said that,

538
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: they catch radious man up. Why Yeah, it's hard to stop.

539
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: Who's the favorite quarterback to pick off?

540
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: Favorite to pick off? Ll It didn't come till late

541
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 2: in my career. I picked off Peyton my my last

542
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: year in the NFL, So I had to say that

543
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: was the favorite, because that's I mean, it's Peyton pay Man. Yeah,

544
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: you got Tom. I dropped maybe two of Tom's interception.

545
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: One of them I would have scored to it. I'm

546
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: really I'm still mad about that. You know, he's you know,

547
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: he uh, but he sent me the video one day.

548
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I gave you one. Man, I had

549
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: it too. Man was smiling like he did Brian Greasy.

550
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: He's like running down the field, I got your ass. Yeah, man,

551
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: he laid it up there, so nice for me too.

552
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: And then I dropped it. Yeah.

553
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: So it's so crazy. You got to play for like

554
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: one of the cornerstone franchises of the nf AFC, the Raiders,

555
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: and then you go and get to play with like

556
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: probably the most prestigious franchise with the Packers. How was

557
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: that transition to me?

558
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: I feel like it came out of nowhere, because it

559
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: was it was never on my radar leaving leaving Oakland,

560
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: you know, I uh, you know, went into free agency.

561
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: I got franchised twice, and I went into free agency,

562
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm thinking, I'm kind of have my pick,

563
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, places to go, and man, it was it

564
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: was dry out there. For you boy, man. And so

565
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Groen was in Tampa and then our GM Bruce Allen,

566
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: went down to Tampa and so I was like, man,

567
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: that's that's gotta be. They're gonna bring me in, you

568
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Point. And then that didn't happen.

569
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, you know, I must be damaged

570
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: goods out here or something, you know. And then Green

571
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: Bay they started, you know, they would calling my agent.

572
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, man, we want to get Charlesing for

573
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: a visit. And I'm like, man, I'm like, dude, I

574
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: never even told you to call Green Bay. And you know,

575
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: they were like, man, they want you to come visit.

576
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: And so when everything kind of was drying up, I

577
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: was like, dang, I gotta go see what Green Bay

578
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: is talking about. And so eventually, you know that that

579
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: ran its course and I signed with Green Bay, and

580
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: you know, started off you know, rocky, rocky as hell, man,

581
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: because I really I didn't want to be there, man,

582
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: And mentally I still couldn't shake the fact that I

583
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: didn't have my pick up places to go. Yeah, that

584
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: it bothered me, and so it took a while for

585
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: me to you know, get myself comfortable. I always give

586
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot of credit to uh George Koontz who used

587
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: to play with the with the Packers. Uh. He was there,

588
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: he had a role within the organization, and you know,

589
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: we just we hung out a lot. Man. He would

590
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: introduce me to the different people in the Green Bay community.

591
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: And then he ended up, Uh I think he took

592
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: a job down him and walk. So then I started

593
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: kind of getting down to Milwaukee and just kind of

594
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: feeling my way around Wisconsin a little bit. And then

595
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: finally I was able to kind of settle down and

596
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: then I was able to kind of appreciate where I

597
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 2: was at. Yeah, you know, the history of the franchise.

598
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: And once that happened, then I then I started making

599
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,719
Speaker 2: plays and then it was like, oh, I'm good now

600
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: it was fun. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. For sure,

601
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: I was a lambe Leap. I never I never did

602
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: the lamb. I had a plan. What was the plan plan?

603
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: I was one interception return for a touchdown away from

604
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: being the all time leader, and that was going to

605
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: be when I did it, and they let me go.

606
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: Let me go, man. So I didn't get the I

607
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: didn't get to lambo leap.

608
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Six years consecutive years with the pick six ye NFL

609
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: record six six year span. You know, Sea Wood's getting

610
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: a sixer put in the books. That's crazy it in

611
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: the books. Now, what was that transition from far to Rogers?

612
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: Like?

613
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: How crazy was that? This guy's is he retiring? Is

614
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: he not? Is he here?

615
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: Is he not?

616
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: We got young bogg is that? What was that all about?

617
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that history repeated itself. Uh, yeah,

618
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: it was, it was, it was, it was. It was

619
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: kind of crazy because you know the last well I

620
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: got there in six, bretch there and there was talks

621
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: whether he was gonna play again after that year, and

622
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: then O seven happened, and it's like, what's he gonna do?

623
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: So every year you kind of you know, it's dangling around.

624
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna retire, he's coming back. But during that time

625
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: O six, you know, I'm practicing against this young kid

626
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: in practice every day and this dude, this dude can

627
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: spin it, spin it, Yeah, he can spin it. And

628
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: so you know we had our battles just in practice,

629
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: and so you gotta you gotta you know that up

630
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: close look at a young kid who's you know, figuring

631
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: it out. But man, every day man, he's just getting

632
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: better and better and better and better. And so by

633
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: the time two thousand and seven comes around and you

634
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: know Brett's it's looking like Brett's going to be, you know,

635
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: on his way out that next year. In the locker room,

636
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: it's like, we're straight, we're straight. Oh yeah, we got

637
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: our guy. Yeah, we won't have no issues. If you're

638
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: going to leave, going to another team, whatever you're gonna do,

639
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: we got twelve. We're good.

640
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: Wow, he's I mean, that's what you heard from like

641
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs with Alex Smith and Patrick and Patrick Mahome's

642
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: like they're all like, yeah, guy.

643
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're winning. We're good. But if this guy

644
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: happens to move on, we might be better.

645
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: And you knew he was going to be that good.

646
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's without a doubt, without a doubt. In practice,

647
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: he was just lighting them up.

648
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: He you know, he'd make throws in practice. Uh that's

649
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: pinpoint accurate passes, you know, with with with heat on them,

650
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: with precision, and you know, sometimes you just be there

651
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: and you be like wow, like damn, he's the backup,

652
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

653
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Brett threw a hard yeah yeah, ball too Yeah, Brett.

654
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Brett broke a lot of fingers in this time.

655
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. When you go to the Super Bowl, you finally

656
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: get your Super Bowl win, finally and you have a

657
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: great pass breakup break the collarbone. But you gave the

658
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: halftime speech. I heard what was the halftime speech?

659
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: Well it was you know, it didn't come out quite

660
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: the way I would have wanted it to. Uh, you know,

661
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: just because man, you know, I'm sitting in that in

662
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: that X ray room. Man, I saw the picture like,

663
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: if it's any any other injury, I'm playing that second half.

664
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Like I'm not sitting out of game, you know what

665
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: I mean. It's got to be really bad for me

666
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: not to play there. Yeah, shoot me, man, I saw

667
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: that picture on the screen and my bone was looking

668
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: like this. I said, oh my god. So I go

669
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: into the bathroom stall. Man, I'm just in the bathroom

670
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: just man crying. I'm like, man, I can't believe this.

671
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: Man.

672
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. I remember Greg Jennings, you know, he came

673
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: and he's opened the door. He's praying, like, man, oh

674
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: he's praying. I'm like, man, I didn't want to hear

675
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: none of that, you know what I'm saying. But I

676
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: always appreciated that. And then when the coach is calling

677
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: us up to go back out after halftime, I was like, coach, man,

678
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: can I say something? And he was like, man, Charles,

679
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: come on in. And you know, I wanted to say

680
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: something like really profound, you know how it is, man,

681
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 2: But all I could get out was, Man, you guys

682
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: know how much I want this man, go out there

683
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: and get it done, basically is what I said. And

684
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't hold back the tears. Dude, I was. I

685
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: was devastated. Yeah, yep, but shit, they went out there

686
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: and had no business man and got the thing done.

687
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: And you're a huge part of the reason why they

688
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: were even there. Man. And people don't realize the color

689
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: bone that hurts. You can't like you can't do that's

690
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: a painful injury right away.

691
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, little every little twitch, every time, every time you

692
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: get up, you're putting that pressure on it, like slow,

693
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: slow moving. That's a tough one. That was tough.

694
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: How was the parade cold? Cold?

695
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was cold, so we you know we we uh,

696
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: we had that in the stadium actually, so most people,

697
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: you know, parade you're on a bus or whatever, you're

698
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: riding through us was in lambeau Field and it was freezing, freezing, yeah, freezing.

699
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm out there in my sling and yeah, but it

700
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: was all good. Stadium was packed, we celebrated. That was awesome.

701
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a freaking awesome win. We'll be right

702
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: back after this quick break. All right, let's jump into

703
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: the next segment. Let's go back to November twenty second,

704
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven where this game took place. Let's go

705
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: over some pop culture. Number one movie was Mortal Kombat.

706
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: Number one song Candle in the Wind by Elton John

707
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: What that was? Then? Princess Diana. Oh, Princess Diana died?

708
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?

709
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: I remember her dying? I remember that song?

710
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Flubber came out, Starship Stars Ships Troopers, Stars

711
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: Starship Troopers, Titanic came out, Goodwill Hunting. Do you like apples?

712
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: How you like them?

713
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Charles?

714
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: Got it? Got it?

715
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions were Denver Broncos m v P CO

716
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: CO m VPS. They were doing this back in the day.

717
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: Bret Farv and Barry Sanders still probably both deserving no out.

718
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner Charles Woodson, Let's go, how was that

719
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: winning a herophan really the only defensive player to do

720
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: it because Travis Hunter, he played a whole lot of offense.

721
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a lot of offense. Yeah. I dibbled and

722
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: dabbled over there. That's that's what I tell people. But yeah, man,

723
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 2: you know it's one of those you know, when you're

724
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: a kid, you're like, yeah, I'm gonna win the Heisman.

725
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: And so when I went to college coming off of

726
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, high school, when I was I was running back,

727
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: I was, I was all offense and chose to play defense.

728
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: It's because I had issues playing running back. Man, you

729
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: take a beating on your knees. I was like, I

730
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: ain't gonna last like that, so playing defense. So once

731
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: I moved to defense, you know, you kind of the

732
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: Heisman's kind of out of the question. Nobody wins the

733
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Heisman on defense. And so I remember after that that

734
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: my after my freshman year, Almoni Tumor had left Mercury

735
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Hayes had left, and so we had some young guys

736
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: at receiver, and I was like, man, what do you

737
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: think about me playing a little bit of receiver too?

738
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: I was like, I will check it out. So I

739
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: played a little bit in the spring ball, and uh,

740
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: they were like, Okay, we might have something. So now

741
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: I was getting some reps on the offense. And so

742
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: once that happened, and then I got into my third year.

743
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: By my third year, my defense was I had the

744
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: defense thing on lock. Like I knew I was the

745
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: best player in the country. That's how I felt. But

746
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: then I half that little bit of offense sprinkled in there.

747
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: I was like, Ah, we might be back in the

748
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: mix for this. Yeah, it might be back in the mix.

749
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: And so yeah, season, you know, plays out. And then

750
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: there was a couple of crucial, crucial moments. One was

751
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: the one hand catch in at Michigan State and then

752
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: that was like the kind of the That was the

753
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 2: moment where the eyes really kind of was like, oh wow, okay.

754
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: And then Penn State, Penn State, what we do there?

755
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: Penn State, I had one one catch for a touchdown

756
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: thirty seven yard thirty seven yarders thirty seven yarder. Jura

757
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: Vicious was the receiver, so I masched up with him

758
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: all game. We we blow them out, I don't know,

759
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: thirty something to maybe six or something, I don't know,

760
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: but we blow them out, blew them out. So That

761
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: was another moment. And then after that game, uh, they

762
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: asked me, the media asked me if I thought I

763
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 2: was the best player in the country, and I said yes,

764
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: and then we go on and then this game comes around, and.

765
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: Then this game and in the Heisman, this was a

766
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: Heisman moment. We'll get into that game.

767
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: Eight.

768
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: What was on did you have did you have walkman

769
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: back then before the games? Did you guys have tape

770
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: players or would you Yeah, what were you putting on

771
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: the tape? Because that player because that's an old joke,

772
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: by the way, hold on, this isn't this is me

773
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: old joking, because you guys had I was like P

774
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: three player kid. I was an iPad kid. Okay, yeah,

775
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: you slip one end kid. You weren't an I pad No,

776
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I was an Yeah, actually I did have a little

777
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: What was what was on the pregame Listac? Tupac always, Yeah,

778
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: it was gonna be Tupac Tupac all lives on, uh.

779
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: Me against the world. Yeah, so anything Tupac, man, I

780
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: was playing. I see the Biggie down there. I played

781
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Biggie too, But Tupac was always the favorite master p

782
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: no limit anything. Yeah, man, he was He was he

783
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: was the one.

784
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: He was.

785
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: All that. Yeah.

786
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Remember didn't he have like a hoop league and little

787
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Romeo had his little he had a son at his

788
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: little TV show at this time, I think.

789
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: Please tried out of Toronto, didn't he? Yeah? Man, yeah,

790
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: he was the man.

791
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: What was it like being the big man on campus

792
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven, like at Michigan. I went to

793
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: Kent State, which is kind of almost like a satellite school. Yeh,

794
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: like you guys had real school, yeah.

795
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: No doubt. Yeah, man, I tried to keep keep a

796
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: low profile. You a bodyguard? Yeah too? You had too

797
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: much out there? No, yeah, yeah, I kept a low profile. Man.

798
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: I tried to stay out the way, you know, man,

799
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: I tried to Yeah.

800
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: This next question we asked oller our interviewees, how much

801
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: does the school pay you?

802
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't remember.

803
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: Was there a pay cut your rookie year?

804
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: It's some somewhat. Yeah. No, I didn't make any money

805
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: in school, man, I wish I would have that was

806
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: I wasn't one of those guys. Man they got the money.

807
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. Bro, we won't, we won't. We won't

808
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: get into that.

809
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: This is this is this is a Glaze podcast but

810
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: we know Charles Wilson was definitely getting cheddar back at Michigan.

811
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: Man got I got the.

812
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Little car, I got the little fifteen dollars chits like

813
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: everybody else, what is that?

814
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: You got to leave? A littlettle cars? I give you

815
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: where you can go to certain restaurants fifteen bucks you

816
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: can order. Oh yeah, that's it. That's all we have. Man,

817
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: that's all I have.

818
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: I made fifty dollars from a booster by helping a

819
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: kid move in. His kid move in. I thought, I

820
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: was like, hell, yeah, is just working a job. Yeah,

821
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty much working a job that was working

822
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: at jobs. Little chick fifty bucks, nice fifty All right,

823
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: let's jump into this game, Kyler, break it down.

824
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 5: So this is a ten and three Ohio state team.

825
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 5: They were the tenth. This was the tenth year of

826
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: the John Cooper era. Opened the year ranked ninth, got

827
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: as high as number four. This was one of those

828
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 5: years where they split quarterback duties, going between both Joe

829
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 5: Jermaine and Stanley Jackson. Antoine Winfield was on this team.

830
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 5: He was their loan All American. It was also great

831
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: year for David Boson in fourteen touchdowns and it was

832
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 5: a thousand yards and so.

833
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: I was a bad boy. He was.

834
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: He was Vikings, right, Vikings. Yeah, his son, his son's

835
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: a little yeah, yeah, no doubt. What was What do

836
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: you remember from this Ohio State era?

837
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: Now, remember that my first two years, my freshman and

838
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: sophomore year, we were I think we had lost three games,

839
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: two games going into this game or three, and they

840
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: were always undefeated, and so the tables had flipped this

841
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: ninety seven year, we were undefeated. So we beat them

842
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: both my freshman year and my sophomore year when they

843
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: were like all world now everybody thought they were going

844
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: to run through us win the national championship. We beat

845
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: them up both years, and so now that pressure had

846
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: shifted because now we were the one that was that

847
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: was undefeated. So that was the that was the thing

848
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: that I remember most about it because this was, you know,

849
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: this is my third year in college, and I knew

850
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: man that I had to get to the Rose Bowl

851
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: because that's what the big team was all about. Getting

852
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: to the Rose Bowl. One of us had to go

853
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: through the other one, whether it's Michigan, Ohio State had

854
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: to go through the other one to get to that game.

855
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: And it was like, man, we gotta we gotta get

856
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: this one done, got it, got to get it done.

857
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: Now what do you hate most about Ohio State?

858
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's like a a thing. It's

859
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: just that's the rivalry. I feel like I was just

860
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: born in it. You were born you know what I mean?

861
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: And it's it's you're like a day walker and blaze, Well,

862
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: you're from Ohio, but then you went to Michigan.

863
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 2: But I can walk around in the daytime.

864
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Is the vampire that can go out?

865
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: You can go in the daytime? Right?

866
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're like I'm at home, I can go

867
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: out because because you're from Ohio.

868
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: But I want to three years so that yeah, I

869
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: am a Yeah, I am A.

870
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: Can you put in perspective how big this game is

871
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: between Ohio State and Michigan, Like, do you guys talk

872
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: about this all year long?

873
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? This game is every practice, there's a there's a

874
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 2: there's a wrinkle that's put in that's got to deal

875
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: with Ohio State. So you're always working on something that

876
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: they're doing. So after we've worked on let's say we're playing, Uh,

877
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: Indiana's a hot team right now. Right Let's say we're

878
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: playing Indiana next week. We're game planning for Indiana. But

879
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: then that's going to be a period where we're a

880
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: breakof and it's gonna be something that they do so

881
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: all year long, you know, you're building up into your

882
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: data bank something about that team that they do. So

883
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: it's you know, we used to always say, man, if

884
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: we were on and ten and we beat Ohio State,

885
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: that damn it, it was a good season. Good you

886
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So you got you got to

887
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 2: win this game.

888
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 5: True coaching staff is like watching tape on like every

889
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 5: single High State game preparing for the final.

890
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: Always there's always and you know they're they're doing the

891
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: same thing down there, Like there's there's always there's somebody

892
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: on the staff responsible for it. Give us something that

893
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: they're doing and then we're gonna, you know, whether it's

894
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: five or ten minutes in practice, this is what they're

895
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: doing down there at High State. So we got to Yeah,

896
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: it's always always preparing for them for that team. Yeah, man, yep,

897
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: that's a rivalry. That's a rivalry. Before we move on,

898
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: talk to me about David Boston. Man, they there was

899
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: a beast man. Uh I remember, uh I remember this

900
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: this particular game. Uh, well, you know, we're in pregame

901
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: warm ups and uh, he's walking out of the tunnel

902
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: and dudes, jack yeah, and he walks out of the tunnel.

903
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: He's got no sleeves on, no gloves. You know, it

904
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: looks like he's with vast lean on his arms. He's

905
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: and guys walked around me like, damn, you gotta guard

906
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: him today. You know what I'm saying, because that's that's

907
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: how I kind of walked out of the tongue like,

908
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: dam who is this guy? But he was the man

909
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: he was he was. He was all world man, big,

910
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: he could, he could run. He had said all kind

911
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: of you know, little little records down there, you know.

912
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: But he was the rive where he was in the way.

913
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: He was in the way.

914
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: Let's jump into these Michigan Wolverines twelve and oero.

915
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 5: Michigan Wolverines were led by Lloyd Carr in just his

916
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: third season at Michigan. Started the year ranked fourteenth, finished

917
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 5: the year ranked one. This team was stacked thirty one

918
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 5: future NFL players in the roster, Brian Greasy at quarterback,

919
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: Tom Brady backing him up. But this team is defined

920
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: by their incredible defense led by Charles Woodson, they gave

921
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 5: up an average of eight point nine points per game

922
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: that was best in the nation. Some other all Americans

923
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 5: Jermaine Tooman, Charles Woodson, Germany, Jeremy, what.

924
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Are you looking at this right here?

925
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about? I was just thinking about

926
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: what he said. Our defense was stingy, man, Our defense

927
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: was good.

928
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 6: Man.

929
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: We had, Uh, we had some guys on the on

930
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: the Uh you see the name Glenn Steel there, relent

931
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: relentless pass rusher, tough as nails, Jeremy Tooman. You see,

932
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: all American tight end. You know, whenever we needed a

933
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: big play a lot of times in the passing game,

934
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 2: it was gonna be Germany, Germany Tooman. You know. Our

935
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: our offense was always built on running the ball tight end,

936
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: and uh, Jeremy was a big part of that. But yeah,

937
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: I think just our defense. Man, it was fun. It

938
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: was fun because we I mean, we went out we

939
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 2: went out in every game, man, with so much confidence

940
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: that you couldn't move the ball on us. That that's

941
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: that's how we walked on the field with that kind

942
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: of confidence. Man. And we Yeah, that was it was fun. Man.

943
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: It's just the best college defense of all time.

944
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 2: I think we're I think we're up there. Uh for sure.

945
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: Who rivals you guys? Well, you know, you know, Nebraska

946
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: had a good defense. You know they were I think

947
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: they what they called the black Shirt defense. They were

948
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: called for a minute, they were good Miami's defense and

949
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: you had some defense. One. I believe that team with

950
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: all of the tailor all American and NFL players they

951
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: had on that team. Ed Reid's on that team. Man, Yeah,

952
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: those dudes. Those dudes were tough. So I mean there's

953
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: a few of them. Thought those the ones I can

954
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 2: think of, but we were definitely one of the best,

955
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: for sure.

956
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: How do you shum up this team?

957
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: Uh?

958
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: Probably you know our coach, coach Lloyd Carr, earlier in

959
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: the year, he kind of the theme for our team was,

960
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, reaching the mountaintop, maybe saying Arama something like that,

961
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: but but it was it was the story was the

962
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: story of the guy who climbed Mount Evers and.

963
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 5: So Sir Edmund Hillary. So yeah, Sir Edmund Hillary was

964
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 5: the first person to climb on Everest. I don't don't

965
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 5: don't quote me. I don't know if that's the name,

966
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 5: could be, could be, could not be I don't know,

967
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 5: but it was. It was about you know, reaching that

968
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 5: mountain top and you know along the way, there's gonna

969
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 5: be a lot of a lot of obstacles along the

970
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 5: way trying to get up. There, a lot of people

971
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: trying to knock you down. Mentally, your mind's gonna you know,

972
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 5: play some tricks on you at times, but you just

973
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 5: got to keep picking at it.

974
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: What we got these pick axes. I don't know if

975
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: that was a smart thing to do to give us

976
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: all pick axes, literally give you guys all, we got

977
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: these pick axes, man, like real real pick axes. And

978
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: so you know that was symbolized man, you know, keep climbing,

979
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: keep no matter.

980
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, you guys all had a pick axe in

981
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: your locker. Pick axe, man, you still got it. We

982
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: got to get a pick axe. We're putting a pick

983
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: axe on the wall.

984
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: Where it's at for amazing, amazing blue pick axe, amazing

985
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: blue pick as Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, we got that.

986
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: Man.

987
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: So I think that would that would sum up what

988
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: our team was, you know, because you know, throughout the

989
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 2: year everything's not going to go perfect. You know, we

990
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: were down to Iowa, I think fourteen zero and uh

991
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: Tim da White like ran like two punk returns back

992
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: on it something crazy like wh yeah, And so we

993
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: had to come back lightning, come back and win that game.

994
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: I think maybe twenty four to twenty eight maybe or

995
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty one something like that. But that's

996
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: just kind of the way that the season goes, and

997
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: it fit right in with his theme, you know, for

998
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: the year. And so that's what I would say about

999
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: that team. Man, we reached the mountain top.

1000
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: After that Iowa game us like the pick axe was there.

1001
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're ready.

1002
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: We had to pick what was young Tom Brady Like,

1003
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: you got to go against him a lot and price

1004
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:52,720
Speaker 1: scout team.

1005
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: Right, yep, yep, win against Tom Man. Tom was well

1006
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: Tom was my year. So we always know how it

1007
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: is when you come in with your group. You want

1008
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: your guy to play. Yeah, well you know you know

1009
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: who's there, Like Brian Greasy was there, Dry's back was there.

1010
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: But you know anybody from our group, he's like, man,

1011
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: you should be playing, Man, you should be playing. I

1012
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: should be start. Yeah, you should be starting. But you

1013
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: know he was always just he was steady, you know

1014
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He was He was back up he was.

1015
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: He was, uh, he was paying his dues, you know

1016
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: what I mean, He was paying his dues. But but

1017
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: he always had uh, he always had the talent, you

1018
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So we saw that now, whether

1019
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: or not he should have been starting not whatever, but

1020
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: we knew he could play, and we didn't know he's

1021
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: gonna go and do it the stuff he did with

1022
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: you guys. But yeah, but he was. He was good man.

1023
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: How was greasy?

1024
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 2: Grease Greece was a He was a gamer g a

1025
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: gamer man. Yep, he was a gamer. I mean that

1026
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: that game I was talking talking about the Iowa game Man.

1027
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: He had to he had to get out of the

1028
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: grasp of I think a defensive end, spinned around and

1029
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: then ended up throwing a touchdown to Germany Tooman like

1030
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: that was a huge play in the game. If you

1031
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: don't make that play, we probably lose that game. My

1032
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: first couple of years, the freshman year and sophomore year,

1033
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 2: he didn't start either of those seasons, but he ended

1034
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: up being a guy that beat on Ale State. That's

1035
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: my JUNI my freshman and sophomore year, so and then

1036
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: my third year he started all the way out. So yeah,

1037
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: Greece was a gamer man who was.

1038
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Like the team asshole on this team that wehole hell,

1039
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: everyone kind of accountable.

1040
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Was tough. I would say Eric Mays because he was

1041
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: one of our captains. Uh he was. He was a linebacker,

1042
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: smaller linebacker, but he was tough. Tough, He was tough,

1043
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He had he had a

1044
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: little bit of asshole about him, you know what I mean.

1045
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would say Eric Mays.

1046
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: Who's the funny guy, who's the prankster, the jokester.

1047
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: I would say the guy that probably kept it light

1048
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: the most. I would say Chris Singletary. He was also

1049
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: a linebacker, h but he was He was the guy

1050
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: that like on the sideline. He was always in your ear,

1051
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: like with some like inspirational ship on the sideline. Just

1052
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, come on, but you got

1053
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: this man, Let's do it. You know what I'm saying.

1054
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: He was always that guy. Man you could always count

1055
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: on it at some point in the game, you know,

1056
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: him walking by you and be like I would trying

1057
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: to make a play. Do you know what I'm saying?

1058
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: That was Singletary for sure.

1059
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: Who's the best player you ever played with that at Michigan.

1060
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, Uh, I would probably say it's a tough one. Probably,

1061
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I'll say s Maga be Akabatuca running back. He's a beast. Yeah,

1062
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: he was a beast. Yeah he was. He was great feet,

1063
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: tough runner, he ran, he ran really upright too so

1064
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: and it always seemed like the ball was out loose

1065
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I don't know how he always

1066
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 2: had on to the ball, but he did. But good speed.

1067
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: I mean my freshman year he had three hundred and

1068
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 2: thirteen yards against Ohio State. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1069
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: I'd say, uh, Aquatuca, Wow Yeah.

1070
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: Let's jump into the game, Kai guy, game lead.

1071
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 5: Uphilse State was coming into this game ranked fourth, with

1072
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 5: their loan loss at this time coming in a wild

1073
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 5: week against Penn State, who was number two at the time. Michigan,

1074
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 5: on your hand, was number one of the nation eleven

1075
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 5: and zer with a trip to the Rose Bowl and

1076
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 5: a National tennight in their sights. I was also worth

1077
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 5: noting that Michigan had won four out the last five

1078
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: meetings with Ohio State.

1079
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: So you owned him by them? Is you owned him

1080
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: in your career?

1081
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1082
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm undefeated three and oh proud of that three

1083
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: and oh that's right, left early for those that didn't

1084
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: gotta go. So Keith Jack was on the call for

1085
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: this game also, Bob Greasy.

1086
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: Bis.

1087
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: You know nowadays Brady would have caught some flair for that.

1088
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: It's going to be a barn burner.

1089
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 5: Tonight started out with a scoreless first quarter. Michigan recovers

1090
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 5: that OSU fumble on their own one hundred.

1091
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: And six thousand the big House.

1092
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 2: That's crazy. What's it like playing every week? Man?

1093
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: That's nothing. Every week, that's nothing.

1094
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 2: Man. We probably fit like four or five Ken States

1095
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: in there.

1096
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: Well, you want to know something, Charles, Okayah, my senior

1097
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: day we had thirty nine people and I think my

1098
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: parents were three of them.

1099
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: Old on would you say three of them?

1100
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had thirty nine people at senior day.

1101
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: Thirty nine people, all of them from the team.

1102
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: Not even because there was a snowstorm. It was like

1103
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: our senior day. It was just the parents people.

1104
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: Man. That's tough. That's a tough gig.

1105
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: That's why when I went to the Patriots, I went

1106
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: to training camp. Bro I was like nervous because we

1107
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: had like twenty five thousand people at training camps, most

1108
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: people I ever been in front of.

1109
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 2: That's wow, that's Wolds.

1110
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: The energy at the Big House, like during an Ohio

1111
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: State game.

1112
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's it's it's it's heavy, you know what

1113
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, because this is I mean, all the

1114
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: all of the other games, man are there. You know

1115
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: you got to win them all in order to kind

1116
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: of get where you're trying to get. But it's really

1117
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: about this game. I don't know how else to really

1118
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: explain it. You know, I was I was thinking that

1119
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: was on the tip of my tongue. I was thinking

1120
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: about that. But but but but it's it's it's it's

1121
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: like a there's there's a weight, you know what I mean,

1122
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: There's a weight on you man, because you know, man,

1123
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: look we got to beat this team. Like we don't

1124
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: care what happened before, the week before, two weeks before,

1125
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: don't matter. We got to win this game. So every

1126
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: everybody's like hyper hyper focused, you know what I mean,

1127
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: during this game.

1128
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: So urgencies up.

1129
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you got you like got the Superman like

1130
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: vision eyes, like laser laser focus.

1131
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: Now, going into this week, what do you remember in

1132
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: the prep week? Anything special that week?

1133
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: I just remember there was a lot of jawing going

1134
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: back and forth between both teams, you know what I'm saying.

1135
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: Some bulletin board material.

1136
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, bulletin board I remember. Remember David Boston said that,

1137
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, if they were clicking, you know, they would

1138
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: win by two touchdowns, you know what I mean. And

1139
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: he said that to the media. So that was out there,

1140
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: like we should beat Michigan by two touchdowns. Like what

1141
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Man? What are you doing?

1142
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: What he's doing? So yeah, so just's a lot of

1143
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: a lot of join going back and forth in the

1144
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: in the papers, and so you know, it just just

1145
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: added a little bit of fuel to the fire man.

1146
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

1147
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: What's something most people don't understand about this rivalry.

1148
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 2: That is really rooted in territory, Like this was a

1149
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: fight over Michigan and Ohio over Toledo.

1150
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh so this is there's some history behind it. Yeah,

1151
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: it's real, real history Toledo in Ohio, though Toledo's.

1152
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 2: In the high Toledo got Ohio. But you know, I

1153
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: think I want to say eighteen hundreds, but they were

1154
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: they were fighting over the city of Toledo because they

1155
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 2: had some some trade and implications from the lakes and yep,

1156
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 2: and uh so it's it's there's a there was a

1157
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: bad blood between citizens of both states. Literally you know

1158
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: what I mean? So, so, yes, it's about football, but

1159
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: then it's also rooted in something else as well, is.

1160
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: It what does the winner get? Does you guys have

1161
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: like a wheel or you know, like mean like the

1162
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: Paul Bunyon where we get from again, I don't no, no, no,

1163
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: just you know you got your ass whip, you know

1164
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: you got your ass. All right, let's get into this game.

1165
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: They don't need some bullshit, you know, baby will.

1166
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: Twelve twelve miles away from each other.

1167
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break.

1168
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 5: So, as we mentioned, scoreless first quarter, and then in

1169
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 5: the middle of the second quarter, Brian Greasy friinds you

1170
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: over the middle for a thirty seven yard catch and

1171
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: run that would lead to Anthony Thomas touchdown, having Michigan

1172
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 5: go up seven to oh. Then with four point seven

1173
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 5: left in the half, os U punts it away too

1174
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 5: you and you house.

1175
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: A punt take a speat for me?

1176
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: When? When? When was that was right before the before

1177
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: and a half time? Was it? Yep?

1178
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: Forty four minutes before half time.

1179
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you remember that point return? No, not at all.

1180
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't have no. I don't remember that you got it. No, No,

1181
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: But now I was interesting the time in it because

1182
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, you know, being right before halftime.

1183
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, but no, I remember first of all, the

1184
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: thirty seven yard catch, you know, coming across the middle

1185
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: of the field, and man, I thought I was going

1186
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: to score, and I had Antoine Winfields come in and

1187
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 2: so I just tried to, you know, put a quick

1188
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: stiff arm and he caught my ankles. He got me down.

1189
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: So I was like, I was going, you know what

1190
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that would have been been a nice little

1191
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: pass and catch for a touchdown. But then the pump return,

1192
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: so I had punt. You know, I was a punt

1193
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 2: returner most of the year. I think me and uh

1194
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: another receiver Russell Shaw had kind of split a little

1195
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: bit throughout the season. But I hadn't run one back

1196
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: all year, and so you know he, uh punter kicks

1197
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: his ball, man, and it's like it's like it's up

1198
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: there forever. Kick the car. Oh man, it's up there forever.

1199
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: And so you know you're going to have us shot.

1200
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you have a cushion and

1201
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: and it's one of those plays where I don't know

1202
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: if you if you like when you catch the ball

1203
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 2: and you've scored a touchdown where it seems like you

1204
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: can kind of see everything and like all the blocks

1205
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: are set up like perfectly like a movie. Yeah, that's

1206
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: the way this punt return rut was. I catch the ball,

1207
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: start out to the start out to the right, and

1208
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: then and then all the blocks start happening. And I

1209
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: told you before the game, like how your laser focused

1210
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: Like I could. I could see every block where everybody was,

1211
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: and I weave my way through. And then once that opening,

1212
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: it was one more block like right towards the end, bam,

1213
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, I finally got one. Run

1214
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: it in. And when I get there, you know, I'm

1215
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 2: telling the cameras come on because I'm about I'm about

1216
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 2: to hit this poles and then and the teammates come rush, boom,

1217
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: tackle me. I'm on the bottom of this pile. I

1218
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: can't breathe them tirelights cold out there. But it was like, man,

1219
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 2: I've been back there ten games, man never got win. Finally,

1220
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: this was the time in the biggest map, in the

1221
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 2: biggest moment in the biggest game. Finally house that thing.

1222
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: Was this your heisman moment? Well, really, this whole game,

1223
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: the whole game, this whole game, because I got that

1224
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 2: that I was the only receiver, if I'm not mistaken.

1225
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys look at it, but

1226
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: I think I was the only receiver on our team

1227
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: that had to catch in this game.

1228
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: Only receiver that had to catch everyone. It was all

1229
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: tight end and running back. It was it was being

1230
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: locked it was being locked up. It was being locked up.

1231
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: Winfield knocked out two of our players out.

1232
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: Of the game. Waitfield, good now, Oh he'll bang you.

1233
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.

1234
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 5: He was a tough dude man. Yeah, running backs and

1235
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 5: Titans and that's it. Yeah, so you're saying that when

1236
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 5: after you returned the punt, you were gonna do that.

1237
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: I was gonna I was gonna hit the high, I

1238
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: was gonna hit the pose and and the guys rushed

1239
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 2: me and and uh so then that, you know, so

1240
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: that was that was out the window. So then we'll

1241
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 2: get to we'll get to it later. But that's when

1242
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: the roads thing came. At the end of the game.

1243
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: So that ended up.

1244
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out that Howard. I mean, Howard did it.

1245
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: But what makes a good Heisman moment?

1246
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: Uh, timing, I think timing and an opponent that that

1247
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: that that's it. So, like I was saying, like I

1248
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: had some some things before this game, the one hand

1249
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: catch and then uh going down Penn State, our team

1250
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: dominating that team, and then this game, this is the game.

1251
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: And so if you shine in this game, then they're

1252
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: somewhere in there, you're gonna have your moment, you know

1253
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: what I mean. And so I had a couple of

1254
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: them in that moment. One it was it was a

1255
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: catch early in the game. Then it was a punk return,

1256
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: and then I picked one off in the end zone

1257
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: later in the game.

1258
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: In the red area, in the red area.

1259
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, so a couple of different moments in the

1260
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,919
Speaker 2: big game that you can pick from, and then being

1261
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: an integral part of the game, like you have all

1262
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: those things going for you, there's your moment, there's your moment. Yeah.

1263
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 5: So something about this touchdown that gets kind of lost

1264
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 5: in the sauce. You guys go up thirteen and oh

1265
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 5: there's a miss or a blocked extra point that almost

1266
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 5: gets house.

1267
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 2: More yeah, Andy Kasmore. Yeah, he almost runs that thing,

1268
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 2: almost running back. Yeah, with with with the biggest shoulder

1269
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: pads on you've ever seen in your life. A lot

1270
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: of those every shoulder pad game. There's these mega's shoulder

1271
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 2: pads in these games.

1272
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was That was a scary little

1273
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: moment because he was out of there too. Shout out

1274
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: Jay Feely, j Phie Jay. Feel it's Tom's roommate, right.

1275
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: I think I've heard that somewhere. He might have been

1276
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: the strongest kicker in college football. He was yoked.

1277
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: He pushed that two twenty five up a lot, yeah,

1278
01:06:59,400 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: more than most.

1279
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: So goes thirteen to zero into halftime.

1280
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 5: You keep Ohio State off the board with an interception

1281
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 5: of the end zone early in the third that's followed

1282
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 5: by a Andre Weathers forty three yard pick six.

1283
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: It was almost like a stick rode again, too, wasn't it.

1284
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: I think it was a bad throw. I think it

1285
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: was just a bad throw if I'm not mistaken. I

1286
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know if it was might have been tipped to

1287
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: you guys went up twenty nothing. You guys went up

1288
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: twenty nothing. So then they start trailing back in the

1289
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: third and.

1290
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: Fourth yep, yep. They got Boston.

1291
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: So he got you in the double movie kind of

1292
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: kind of spun out.

1293
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought he was gonna run like

1294
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: a deep curl, so I was really prepared to jump

1295
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: the route and he kept going. It's like gosh, So

1296
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: I turned, I run, I catch up. He slows down.

1297
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm comfortable with the ball in the air,

1298
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 2: being on defense. So when he slowed down, I know

1299
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: I got a chance to turn around. So when I turn,

1300
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: he's on He's on my right side. I turned his

1301
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: way and when I when I looked at the ball,

1302
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: it just carried you know what I'm saying, almost yeaheah care.

1303
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm still thick about that. And then then I was

1304
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: kind of a little discombobulated just because it carried on me.

1305
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to react at that point. And

1306
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: he caught it touchdown. So they got they got on

1307
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: the board. What do you say to you, because you

1308
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: guys were yeah he was he was doing. He got

1309
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: a penalty for you know, he had the ball out,

1310
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 2: ah yelling and all that, so uh yeah, he ended

1311
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: up getting a penalty.

1312
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

1313
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: And then I don't know how they scored, so.

1314
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 5: They scored on that touchdown, and then you guys had

1315
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 5: two fumbles. There was a stripsack that put it out

1316
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 5: of state inside the five. They punched it in when yeah,

1317
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 5: and you were twenty fourteen. But then that that was

1318
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 5: the last final score.

1319
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: Got it, got it, yep. And then before before that

1320
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 2: was the interception they were driving. They were driving yep,

1321
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 2: receiver ran uh was in the red zone, rest inside

1322
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 2: right out undercut. It can't run deep, can't run out

1323
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 2: the end zone.

1324
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: Can't run Everything's tighter in the red area.

1325
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: Everything's tighter. And so I caught that and I was,

1326
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 2: I was. The plan was to come out and the

1327
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: ground was slick, and I slipped, but out. My plan

1328
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: was to try to get that thing up to the side. Icelands, Yeah,

1329
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: come on for someone else. That was the plan. That

1330
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 2: was the plan, and I slipped, man, I was like,

1331
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: but uh yeah. So that was another one of those

1332
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: moments in the game. And then uh at the end,

1333
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: we had to you know, they got the ball back

1334
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: and we had to uh uh just basically stop them,

1335
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, from driving mc donald field. And we we

1336
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: did that.

1337
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: So and that was it twenty fourteen. Just going to

1338
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: the Rose ball.

1339
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: Going to the Rose Bowl and then and that's when

1340
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: you know, after the game, they're handing out the roses

1341
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: and I grabbed that thing the first thing I do,

1342
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 2: bite it. And then that's that's my moment. So, uh,

1343
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,919
Speaker 2: in my and things my football life, I say, Desmond

1344
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: has the polls, I have the rose. Look at that.

1345
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1346
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: You're a poet and you didn't even look at you, Charles. Yeah,

1347
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: So you have your Heisman moment on the field was

1348
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: the punt return and then the Heisman moment picture is

1349
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: the rose.

1350
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: That's it, man, that's it.

1351
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: What's the aftermath of this? Kai guy?

1352
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 5: So Michigan completed their first undefeated regular seasons in nineteen

1353
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 5: seventy one. You would go on to win the Heisman,

1354
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 5: which is beating some wild people. Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf,

1355
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 5: Randy Moss who had ninety catches, one hundred and one thousand,

1356
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 5: six hundred and forty seven yards twenty five touchdowns.

1357
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: Ricky Williams finished fifth.

1358
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: Ricky Williams Fish and Ryan Ryan Yeah, Ryan least yeah

1359
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: four for a second.

1360
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 5: Moss was fourth, and then Ohio State would fall the

1361
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 5: fly Florida State in the Sugar Bowl twenty to fourteen.

1362
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 5: You guys would win the Rose Bowl beating Washington State

1363
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 5: twenty one to eighteen. However, in finishing first in the

1364
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 5: AP for a national champions job verb Nebraska finished first

1365
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 5: in the coaches poll.

1366
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,560
Speaker 1: Considered a split national championship? What a split national championship?

1367
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: Were they undefeated too?

1368
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: They were?

1369
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 5: They had a better opponent in the fin In their

1370
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 5: bowl game they beat Tennessee. Yeah, Peyton Manning. They crushed

1371
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 5: Tennessee in that game. And this was the last year

1372
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 5: of the before the BCS. Next year was BCS and

1373
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 5: Tennessee one nineteen ninety.

1374
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: Yes, so this is a year later we would have

1375
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: been able to play Nebraska.

1376
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: You still counted as a natty, right, Oh yeah, it's nay,

1377
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: this is a natty undefeated, come on, undefeated, Heisman everything,

1378
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: Natty everything. What was like Heisman Night in New York?

1379
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: Do you guys like that's going to be a fun

1380
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: night party?

1381
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: Man?

1382
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: How was Randy?

1383
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: You guys?

1384
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: Do you guys hang out with each other?

1385
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: We didn't. We didn't hang out after then. We hung

1386
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: out a little bit before because we would have we

1387
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 2: would have gotten up there that Thursday night, Friday so

1388
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 2: they kind of take you around the city a little bit.

1389
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's around Christmas time, so you know what

1390
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean.

1391
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's eighteen years you're twenty years old. Yeah,

1392
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: it's your first time seeing the big city probably yeah.

1393
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's been seeing the uh with the big

1394
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 2: tree with the Rockefellers say, yeah, it was, yeah, it was.

1395
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: It was a real scene.

1396
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 1: Man.

1397
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: But but then, uh, the night after I had one

1398
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 2: of my one of my buddies from college, Marcus Ray,

1399
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 2: who was a safety on the championship team. We kicked it.

1400
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 2: We found a little spot man to go hang out,

1401
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 2: a little club. Me and him got on the microphone.

1402
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 2: You were not flowing, oh man. We was flowing, man.

1403
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: He was free freestyle of man a homie. We took

1404
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 2: over the mic. DJ let us up there. It was.

1405
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: It was going back flow. I was flowing man. Back

1406
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: in the day. I I felt like I had a

1407
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: little something.

1408
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: I got put on flobation on the mic when I

1409
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: you got to put on a flobation?

1410
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 2: Is that what they call it? Flobation? Yeah?

1411
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: They take it the mike away from me. They put

1412
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,959
Speaker 1: me on used to put me on flow bation. Horrible, horrible.

1413
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, what what's the like Heisman

1414
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: perk that you that no one might not know about.

1415
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 1: What's like that one special thing that.

1416
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: You get or like nah, yeah, I just think the

1417
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: perk is that that that's that's who you are, Like,

1418
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 2: that's who you're referred as.

1419
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: Like, man, you know.

1420
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: He won my trophy like that Just that just happened

1421
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 2: the other day, Like, man, I was at I was

1422
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: actually at my son's game last night, and one of

1423
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: one of the guys after the games, like, hey, man,

1424
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 2: going to get a picture and I think he had

1425
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: like his daughter or something with him. She's like He's like, man,

1426
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: you don't know who this is, man, child, what's one

1427
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: of the best. He won the Heisman Trophy? Like sir forever,

1428
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, that they can't take that away from

1429
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 2: you can't take that take away from you.

1430
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: Man.

1431
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 5: Also in the aftermath, Charles would go on to have

1432
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame NFL career. Drafted fourth overall the

1433
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight to oaklandy Covered winning Defensive Rookie of

1434
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 5: the Year. You're a three time All Pro Super Bowl champion,

1435
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 5: nine time Pro Bowl Defensive Player of the year twenty nineteen.

1436
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Well deserved Defensive Player of the Year

1437
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen.

1438
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: Can we talk two thousand and nine? Nine?

1439
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 5: Can you talk about Tyler for a second, another Michigan cornerback,

1440
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 5: you know, tied off Taiwan.

1441
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: You know Ty shot clo shot o'clock. Yeah, that's Tie

1442
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 1: My guy. I love Tye, my guy for sew Tye.

1443
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: Ty left early. I thought I was going to get

1444
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: to play with ty one year in Michigan. Yeah, he

1445
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 1: left early. He was Was he the guy when he left?

1446
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 2: Oh? He was? He was the man? All right?

1447
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: What's the legacy of this game? Before we score it?

1448
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: This game? The legacy nineteen ninety seven, the game between

1449
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Michigan. Legacy from Charles Woodson.

1450
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: Is Well, I guess for me, I guess it would

1451
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 2: be that I mentioned earlier, like this was the game,

1452
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: right that truly, Like there's other little you know, the

1453
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 2: other moments I feel like are kind of ancillary moments,

1454
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: But in terms of what really gave me the notoriety

1455
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 2: right in the football world, I was that game. Like forever,

1456
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 2: you know, people are going to remember that game. Heisman moments,

1457
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: you're undefeated, get a chance to go to the Rose Bowl,

1458
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: get a chance to play for a national championship. You

1459
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: had to go through Ohio State to do it. That

1460
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 2: was like that, that's that's almost like my bas is,

1461
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: my bas is, like where I grew up, Like that's

1462
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: my that's my foundation. But the base in terms of

1463
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: all of the other stuff that came after, like NFL

1464
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, that was the start of all that.

1465
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, If that makes if that

1466
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 2: makes sense.

1467
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 5: Well, now that you say like that, like you did that,

1468
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,839
Speaker 5: that's the pinnacle of college football, right, Heisman undefeated national championship,

1469
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 5: Michigan High State rose Ball, Like.

1470
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the dream, right, what more could you like?

1471
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: When you lay down, you're like, man, I wish I

1472
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 2: could win the championship. Oh I did that.

1473
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 1: Jesus must be nice. Yeah, Well you never experienced beating

1474
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 1: the Zips. No, we beat the Zips. Bro we beat them.

1475
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: But I got that wagon with one year. What was

1476
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: your record against the Zips? One and one and two?

1477
01:16:53,800 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 1: Man came out early, Zips, did you? All Right, let's

1478
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: name the game, then we score the game. Is this

1479
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: the greatest game of all time. Let's score it. Remember,

1480
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: decimals are encouraged. We came up with these names. If

1481
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: you have a name, we can use it. But we

1482
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,879
Speaker 1: came up with the game ninety seven, the Heisman clincher.

1483
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: In your buckeye, now in your buck eye, in your

1484
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: buck eye, in your buck guy, Charles in charge Woodson

1485
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:31,640
Speaker 1: ninety seven or do you have a name or do

1486
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: you resonate with one of these names?

1487
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: Oh Man, in your buckeye has a little ring to it,

1488
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:38,480
Speaker 2: in your buckeye.

1489
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 4: I like it.

1490
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: I like it. Let's score the game. The stakes zero

1491
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: to ten decimals encouraged, The stakes of this Ohio State

1492
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: Michigan game to go to the Rose Bowl, potential Heisman

1493
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: clinching moment, the stakes of this game for you, zero

1494
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 1: to ten decimals encouraged.

1495
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: The stakes are the highest. So that's ten right, all right?

1496
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: We got it.

1497
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: Give I mostly give people ship for scoring at ten.

1498
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is crazy.

1499
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot.

1500
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with like a nine nine. Why would

1501
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: you go now?

1502
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: Because the national championship we've done. Literally people that are trying, no, no, no, that.

1503
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: Game is the national championship. We weren't worried about the

1504
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 2: next game. We're gonna win that.

1505
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but we've done.

1506
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying. I'm just I'm just saying, dude,

1507
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: it's the game.

1508
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: I score.

1509
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: There's nothing after the game.

1510
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: You have your score, my score, Charles.

1511
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 2: But look, if there's if there's if there's a a contest,

1512
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: and it's called the game, there ain't nothing after that

1513
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: but that.

1514
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: The game is only said the game by the two

1515
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: teams that play in the game.

1516
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: But if you watch the telecasts, like before the game

1517
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: ever comes on, everybody refers to it as their game.

1518
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: The game is between a different team. No, there's a

1519
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 1: game tomorrow. Is high score. You're not bullying me into

1520
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: changing by score, Charles. You will not bully me into

1521
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: changing by score. Yeah, kind of eight point nine out

1522
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: of nine point one star power of the game, guys

1523
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: on your team, guys on other team, coaching staffs, star

1524
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: power zero to ten, ten being fucked. There's so many

1525
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: stars it's not even funny, all fun being. There's no one.

1526
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: It's an akron Ken stake. What are you talking about.

1527
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 1: There's we had a couple couple of studs there.

1528
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: Star power. How many interesting.

1529
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: NFL players on Michigan thirty one, thirty one? How many

1530
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: on Ohio State? Probably a bunch of bunch, Yeah, a

1531
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: lot of stars. Lloyd Carr, future Tom Tom.

1532
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1533
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was some Michigan celebrities in the building too.

1534
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,480
Speaker 1: This place was slammed with celebrities.

1535
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: Let's go, let's go. Nine point four. Pretty good one.

1536
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 2: It's a good one for me. I will go.

1537
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

1538
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: I feel like Charles just bullying me with his eyes.

1539
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: Oh my score, I'm gonna go with they you are

1540
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,640
Speaker 1: very impressionable. Eight point nine, eight point nine, A lot

1541
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 1: of stars. See who is their quarterback? Of ohouse? Greasy

1542
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State? Ohio State was some guy that.

1543
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: Stanley Jackson. There you go.

1544
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: They had two.

1545
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 5: You know, they say, if you've got two quarterbacks, you

1546
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 5: don't have any jack had a nine point one. I

1547
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 5: had a seven point five. Why do you have a

1548
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 5: seven point five? Because I mean, who is the other quarterback?

1549
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 5: They had two quarterbacks? John Cooper coach. You know, it's

1550
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 5: not like a Pro Bowl game with like ray Lewis

1551
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 5: and Ed Reed and Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and

1552
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 5: you know Elton John's doing halftime show.

1553
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 2: I see what you I say what you did there.

1554
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: Let's go with the gameplay of the game. How the

1555
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: game went.

1556
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 2: Zero?

1557
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: Ten? Man?

1558
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the game was those scoring game, those

1559
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: scoring games play.

1560
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm going nine to five, like the nine five. Jesus,

1561
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go uh. You know, I'm a team or

1562
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: guy like old school brute football. But there were some turnovers.

1563
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 1: I like this, you know, I like to see a

1564
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: little cleaner offense. You know, I'm offensive guy. So I'll

1565
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: go with the eight point two. Jack had a seven

1566
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: point a seven point four. The name of the game,

1567
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: we grade the name of like in your buck eye.

1568
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: It's also the cultural like significance this game, which I

1569
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: think is very high. This is a very high culturally.

1570
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: You're going ten.

1571
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 2: Ten, all right?

1572
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: We got ten for from Charles, no bias there, non

1573
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: bias opinion. That's a great name and everyone knows this game.

1574
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 1: I'll go with the eight point nine.

1575
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: That's the worst score you could have given up. What

1576
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: are you talking about?

1577
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: It's a great jacket a nine. I also had an

1578
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: eight point nine, eight point Where does this put Let's

1579
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: see where it lands on the list. O, what's our

1580
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: grand total? It's an eight point eight six, the highest

1581
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 1: scoring game. Eight point eight six.

1582
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 6: It's our new It's tied for twelve, actually, I'm sorry,

1583
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 6: tied for twelve with Super Bowl fifty two Eagles versus Patriots,

1584
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 6: just ahead of Super Bowl eighteen Raiders versus Redskins, and

1585
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 6: just behind Choke at the Doke Florida versus Florida State

1586
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 6: nineteen nine.

1587
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 1: Four Choke respectable, man, it's very respectable for it.

1588
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 2: Miracle on Eyes two thousand and one, Stanley Cup Malcolm

1589
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: Butler game. Oh that's that's a good one.

1590
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Then my favorite is.

1591
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: Like number eight.

1592
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: I like the ninety ninety nine Women's World Cup Final America.

1593
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: A lot geopolitically stuff going on in that one.

1594
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 5: See that's when you talk about stakes, like the geopolitical, Yeah,

1595
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 5: geopolitical if you put it like that. Yeah, Like I

1596
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 5: persink the highest state game ever would be the Space

1597
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 5: Jam game because like the world could have been like

1598
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 5: ruined if they lost that game.

1599
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: It's a fiction game, bro.

1600
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, yeah, I'm happy with that.

1601
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: It's a good card.

1602
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 2: That's really good.

1603
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 5: Is it?

1604
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 1: What choke a dog is better? I don't think so.

1605
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: There we do rescoring or was the Choka dough. I was.

1606
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 5: Where Florida was kicking this ship out of Florida State,

1607
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 5: and then Florida State scored like twenty unanswered points to

1608
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 5: like tie it late, Fred Taylor versus work done.

1609
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

1610
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 5: Back in the day, we did that game with bur Kreischer.

1611
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 5: He's a big Florida State fans, so kind of kreyser game.

1612
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,839
Speaker 5: How did it get so high? That's crazy because.

1613
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: You're impressionable, so you you base your score off of

1614
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: what the guest does. Like this is non bias here.

1615
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Let's move it on, Just move it on.

1616
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: Here's our lower scores, Charles, we miss anything from this

1617
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 1: game now?

1618
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: I think we hit. We hit all of the all

1619
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: of the moments, all the big moments. You missed the

1620
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 2: after party after the game. That was the after party

1621
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: after the game. That was a good time.

1622
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: We'll keep it with the good time, good time, a

1623
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: good time. Everyone's got to go check out Woodson. Whiskey

1624
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: also intercepted intercept wines. Intercept wines, don't we have a

1625
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: cigar come company too? I think not yet, not yet,

1626
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: not yet.

1627
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: We need to get it.

1628
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: We should also maybe do a Rose company. Oh, we

1629
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 1: could do a Rose distribution company. It comes with the cigar,

1630
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: It comes with the cigars. Everyone go check them out

1631
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: your I G what's your Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson, Fox

1632
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 1: NFL kickoff every Sunday.

1633
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 2: Let's go, Charles, thanks for coming on. I appreciate you

1634
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: having me man. Man.

1635
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 1: That's that was a fun episode to go down memory

1636
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:35,879
Speaker 1: lane with Ohio State Michigan, with Michigan legend college football

1637
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: lore NFL Hall of Famer Charles Woodson and Jackson the

1638
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: Boys the Boys back. I hated missing that one, Oh Charles,

1639
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: I would have wore my asscot for it.

1640
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 2: Jack. That's okay.

1641
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: We needed our mascot to ask the ascot needed our mascot.

1642
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: I love it, Scott. I heard it was an amazing interview.

1643
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: Though.

1644
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 1: Ye, Charles brings a heat every time he's a captain.

1645
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: We got captain energy.

1646
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you guys are already teamates pro

1647
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 4: stud like right A, buy a easy money.

1648
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,120
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1649
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1650
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,520
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1651
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 2: Exis alack a rock? All right?

1652
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: What are you doing here today?

1653
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: Jack? All right?

1654
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,839
Speaker 1: It is Thanksgiving season.

1655
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 4: With that being schedules, we don't want to talk to

1656
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 4: you a little bit about what it's like to play

1657
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 4: football in the National Football League on Thanksgiving.

1658
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: They just go together, baby, Yeah, yetty meatball, peas and

1659
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 1: carrots football. He played on it twice, one in Detroit,

1660
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: one in New York.

1661
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 2: YEP.

1662
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Detroit almost housed to punt. I think I got tackled

1663
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: by the punter, made a big block for West on

1664
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: a slip screen.

1665
01:25:58,960 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 2: He scored on it.

1666
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: But we won that one, and then we scored two

1667
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: touchdowns in that Thanksgiving game, And so that would have

1668
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: been the that would have been the morning game. Would

1669
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: that have been the morning game when you played in Detroit? Yeah,

1670
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: we played the morning game like games at what starts

1671
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: at twelve eastern? Yeah, I mean the whole schedules jacked up.

1672
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: You usually do your Thanksgiving if if you're on the road,

1673
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: which we were on the road both times, you do

1674
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: it the friday you're back, or the Wednesday before, or

1675
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: usually it's when you come back because you have a

1676
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 1: day off. Did we have any we had like Christmas

1677
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: games where they were at home where but we still

1678
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: you still practice, you still have your stuff. Everything is

1679
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: kind of abbreviated a little bit because it is a

1680
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: Thursday game, So there's no like physical tough practice because

1681
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: there's no practice on Thursday night games regardless, because you're

1682
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: still recovering from that week before. But uh, I think

1683
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: they provide Thanksgiving turkey stuff during at the facilities before

1684
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 1: like that whole week you get like Thanksgiving turkey stuff, stuffing,

1685
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 1: mashed potato, stuffing, mashed potato, mac and cheese. You have

1686
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: a lot of Southern guys, so that the mac and

1687
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: cheese is big in the South. You have mac and

1688
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: cheese hit yours.

1689
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 2: No.

1690
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: See that's the thing.

1691
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm a Southern man and I don't even eat mac

1692
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 4: and cheese on things to never have and it's.

1693
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Black guys, No, but they're northern.

1694
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 5: There are other I have incorporated mac and cheese into

1695
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 5: my things just because it's excuse, I mean, it's all

1696
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 5: grow up like it.

1697
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: But it's like you get access. No I never did,

1698
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: did you guys at all? Now? We were green bean castle,

1699
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: same green bean castrole stuffing. Yeah, crainberry, canned cranberry. I

1700
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: like can cranberry. Yeah, I like the can cranberry and

1701
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: the mashed potatoes, gravy turkey. Best one I've ever had.

1702
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: That was at Conley's house.

1703
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 5: Okay, so tell us about tell us about where you

1704
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:01,919
Speaker 5: would actually have Thanksgiving?

1705
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: When you would do Thanksgiving. I think we went to

1706
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: his house that year. I think I've been to Mankins

1707
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: for one, then did my own for younger guys as

1708
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: I got older, like I think a receiver, Oh you

1709
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: did you hosted? I didn't know that maybe once you

1710
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: just wouldn't have any giving or over or something. How

1711
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 1: many times have you had Thanksgiving with your family while

1712
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: you were playing. Later in my career when Lily came, Yeah,

1713
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: we would have like a little Thanksgiving, but it was

1714
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're your mercenary at least early in

1715
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,759
Speaker 1: part of my career. So you go to the married

1716
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: family guy's house. So Dan Conley he did like three turkeys.

1717
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: He did like smoked deep fry, a bake, made everything handmade,

1718
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: some of the best yams and I'm not even a

1719
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: yam sweet potato guy. I mean everything he made was elite.

1720
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I think his brother was a chef and he was

1721
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,680
Speaker 1: really passionate about the chefing. I think he made a

1722
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: homemade cider, apple cider, homemade beer, Get homemade marshmallows for

1723
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: the s'mores for the kids. This guy had homemade everything. Geese, Louise,

1724
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: How do you do the turkey?

1725
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 2: Is it Friday? Was it baked?

1726
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 1: One of each?

1727
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: About?

1728
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: Smoked one of each? I smoked? Baked in a deep

1729
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: Noah's Ark of turkeys. I mean this man Noah's Ark

1730
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: of everything.

1731
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: That's crazy, stuffing inside the bird or stuffing made separately.

1732
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Always I think he made it out. I think he

1733
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: may have had both, but outside. But you don't eat

1734
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: the stuffing in the bird.

1735
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: I don't think.

1736
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a little weird. I feel like some

1737
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: people have in the past.

1738
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 2: But they do they didn't.

1739
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: What's the point of putting stuff in the bird?

1740
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: I can eat it. I don't know.

1741
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: It's just it kind of dries. They call it dressing.

1742
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: What about in college? Because this game was a college game?

1743
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 2: Like you did you do?

1744
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: And you're not really having like there are any vels

1745
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 1: out like your no, you're out with all your dining hole. Yeah,

1746
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: freaking dumb bar and Kent State can eating cafeteria turkey.

1747
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: I used to hate the turkey. I can't oh brutal

1748
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: bro like it's just you know what I mean, it

1749
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 1: was not. I don't think it was real turkey. I

1750
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: think it was like those the loafs of turkey that

1751
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: you buy and they just cut it. Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah,

1752
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: it's like deli meat turkey and the gravy.

1753
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 4: That's when you need the gravy to try to counteract,

1754
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,639
Speaker 4: but have a great grade.

1755
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: I remember the college food being very bad. I can

1756
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: see that, you know, like it was all right, that's

1757
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:22,719
Speaker 1: like your last game of the year in college. Usually

1758
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: I did go to a coach, Martin's house. I think

1759
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: once or twice. He used to have me, have me

1760
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: at his house and his wife could cook, you know,

1761
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: from Kentucky or something that feels like a.

1762
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 2: Turkey.

1763
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: But you can't have the stuff, you know, stuff, no gravy.

1764
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: Gravy is that extra gravy.

1765
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1766
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: The Thanksgiving in the NFL, it's I liked it because

1767
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: you're the show and everyone's watching you. That's true. And

1768
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 1: I was always used to not being around my family

1769
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: for that long period of time, and at that point

1770
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: in my life, my family was really the teammates, you know,

1771
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 1: because you were so accustomed to even if you weren't

1772
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: playing on Thanksgiving, You're going, you know, to one of

1773
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 1: your teammate's house. You had a little short practice in

1774
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: the morning, but you still have practice. It's always a

1775
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: fun day because you had the the excitement of holiday

1776
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: and eating afterwards, hanging out with family, you know so,

1777
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: but it still was always a work day. Now I

1778
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: liked it because you got to earn your turkey, you

1779
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like if we practiced all on Thanksgiving,

1780
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: we didn't have a Thanksgiving game like I always remember,

1781
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: we were letting. We were always let out pretty early.

1782
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 1: We didn't have like after meetings and be an early practice,

1783
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 1: get in, get our work done. But it you know,

1784
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 1: then you got to go home and you felt like, oh,

1785
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 1: I could eat the turkey.

1786
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna earn that trip to fan Baby, I

1787
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 4: earned that. I'm gonna earn wearing these stretchy pants. I

1788
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 4: guess I'm looking at I'm deep over here in the

1789
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 4: box score. Nick Harris took you down on that return

1790
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 4: punter the Detroit Lions.

1791
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 2: I remember I got ridiculed for that.

1792
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 4: The classic sewn Over's Tom Brady matchup.

1793
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 2: What year was that?

1794
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: This was twenty ten?

1795
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Ben Jarvis Greenell's Danny Woodhead big deon branch game.

1796
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 5: Big deal on Now, Like, if you like started the season,

1797
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 5: you get the schedule or whatever, and you've got to think,

1798
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 5: do you want a Thanksgiving game or do you not

1799
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 5: want a Thanksgiving game?

1800
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: You probably I mean I don't want to Thanksgiving game

1801
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: because they're not at home for us usually.

1802
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's if you at home. Maybe it'd still be

1803
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 2: a night game if you haven't been.

1804
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the night game was relatively recent. Addition, the

1805
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Patriots just was one of the maybe the second one. Yeah,

1806
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving game. Yeah, because it usually just be the two

1807
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: day games or three.

1808
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 5: And the Patriots played another night Thanksgiving game against the

1809
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 5: Vikings after he'd retired.

1810
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say you probably wouldn't want to. You'd

1811
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: rather the easy practice in the morning or like the

1812
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: low key practice in the morning. And I also want

1813
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,439
Speaker 1: to alignment thanks still, I mean, you still had like

1814
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of day off even though you worked. Yeah, it

1815
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: wasn't that a full day of work, and you got

1816
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: to like do a whole lot of nothing for a

1817
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 1: long part of the day and just watch food or

1818
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: watch football, you know, and do the Thanksgiving thing. Culturally,

1819
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: be a part of it as opposed to happen to work.

1820
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: And even if you were like you didn't have a

1821
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: place to go and you were like scheming up where

1822
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: you're going with your friends, it was still fun to

1823
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: do that. No, I feel that.

1824
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:25,560
Speaker 5: So now on the Sunday after Thanksgiving, like, can you

1825
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 5: catch a vibe on the guys who maybe had a

1826
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 5: little bit too much on that Thursday or these guys

1827
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 5: cruising through that.

1828
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 2: No one's that.

1829
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 1: Sluggish you could you remember a coach saying something like afterwards.

1830
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: What do you guys eating too much? Got to have turkeynos? Yeah?

1831
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

1832
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: Like some ass on? Yeah? O, no, get that turky

1833
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 1: out here.

1834
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1835
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 4: Wait, So you guys would practice if you didn't have

1836
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,719
Speaker 4: a game that day in the morning usually okay, that makes.

1837
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: Quick in and out like a nine o'clock practice, which

1838
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: practice usually started around like twelve thirty one. Oh wow,

1839
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,759
Speaker 1: that is really you know, get out by eleven twelve.

1840
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 2: Nice.

1841
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,800
Speaker 5: Now that I'm like just thinking about this, why aren't

1842
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 5: the Patriots having like a Thanksgiving Day game every year

1843
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 5: like the Cowboys and the Lions. I mean, the first

1844
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 5: Thanksgiving happened like, that's a great point. Fifty miles from

1845
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 5: the stadium, that's a great point. I mean yeah, yeah,

1846
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 5: this year we got Green Bay at Detroit is the

1847
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 5: early one as usual. Then you got Kansas City at Dallas.

1848
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 5: Kansas City at Dallas.

1849
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 4: That's the four thirty slot. Then you got the night

1850
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 4: game Sincey at Baltimore.

1851
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 1: Something that I don't think it's enough.

1852
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 5: Like we all talk about NFL Thanksgiving, but that weekend

1853
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 5: is home to some of the best college football games.

1854
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: This is true. Right, Friday and Saturday, right, always the game,

1855
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: the Egg Bowl? You got the Egg Bowl?

1856
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1857
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: Oh man, like Friday game, Friday game, NFL.

1858
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he Amazon Prime, Right, who is it this year?

1859
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: Is it Bears Eagles?

1860
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 5: Bears Eagles's Okay, double trip?

1861
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. Go for a triple hearing the

1862
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: more dots because they put the microphone on the I

1863
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 1: love it. It's way better.

1864
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: It's so good. You know.

1865
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 5: That's something that hockey does. They like the boards sort

1866
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 5: of like all the sticks and the things. Makes it

1867
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:16,759
Speaker 5: sound like it's happening.

1868
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 2: I love that doing sound.

1869
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Also, we'd be remiss. We're talking New England football. That's

1870
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 1: your rivalry day isn't it.

1871
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1872
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, high school football. That's one thing I remember

1873
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: too a lot. They would always there the super Bowl,

1874
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: they call it the super Bowl, yeah in Massachusetts. Yeah,

1875
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: and it was always out Foxborough, so we'd be leaving

1876
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 1: or something.

1877
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:43,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the super Bowl was not Thanksgiving in Massachusetts.

1878
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's changed now, but back in

1879
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 5: the day, you would play your like town rival, so

1880
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 5: like mthun would play.

1881
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 1: That's what it was. There was some kind of football

1882
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: game there always every big play on Thanksgiving to play

1883
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: in Foxborough.

1884
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 5: No, I'm Western mass We never got to play in

1885
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 5: Foxborough or like super Bowl that we played in.

1886
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 2: Was that what you state? Yeah?

1887
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,200
Speaker 5: But my first my senior year, they had a Berkshire

1888
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,759
Speaker 5: County Championship that we played on like ten am.

1889
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm at home on Thanksgiving, which was awesome.

1890
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 5: It was the first ever played and I did earn

1891
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 5: my fucking turkey and we won Berkshire County Championship.

1892
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 1: Let's go, damn right, don't forget it, go Mounties. They

1893
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: don't exist. By all right. We'll have about happy Thanksgiving

1894
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving football. Ah, you old guys out there about to

1895
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: play in that Turkey Bowl. Stretch, don't forget to Stretch

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