1 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it. 2 00:00:36,720 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: Now, release slowly again, deep in, helle hold release, repeating 3 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: internally to yourself as you connect to my voice. I 4 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: am deeply, deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply. 5 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 3: Well. 6 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast. 7 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on 8 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: your journey. A podcast for those that are curious, creative, 9 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: and ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care. 10 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. 11 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 4: This is where we heal, this is where we become. 12 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show. This week is all about creativity. 13 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 4: We are in a very, very very potent new year. 14 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: It's twenty twenty four at the time of recording this show, 15 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 4: which numerologically speaking is an eight year, which is all 16 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 4: about completion, new beginnings, things sprouting, and it's really a 17 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: potent time to trust and unleash your creativity and your 18 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 4: creative mastery. So today's episode, I'm very excited. We have 19 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 4: a special, special special guest who I have a story 20 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: to share a little bit later. Was a big part 21 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: of my journey. Our special guest today is Goopoly, a 22 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: versatile artist known for her roles. As a singer, songwriter, producer, entrepreneur, 23 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 4: and humanitarian, she has firmly established herself as one of 24 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: the most prolific figures in R and B and soul 25 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: music today. Her seventh and most introspective album, Colors, consisting 26 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: of eight tracks, was released in November under her indie 27 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: label sky Blaze Recordings, promising a sensual and unforgettable experience. 28 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 4: Hailing from Oakland, Guoppoly's unique background as the daughter of 29 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: a South African father who escaped apartheid and a New 30 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 4: York born German Jewish mother, has shaped her journey. Her 31 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 4: musical roots and education at the Berkeley School of Music 32 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 4: have inspired her to craft powerful songs that delve into 33 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: life's intricacies with a relatable and precise approach. This artistic 34 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: prowess was evident in her iconic two thousand and one 35 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: breakthrough hit Closer. Guappoly's innovative approach extends beyond her music, 36 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: as she plans to elevate the Color's album by fusing 37 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 4: it with color, tone sense, and aesthetic apparel, creating an 38 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: immersive sensory experience. As an artist with synesthesia, the ability 39 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 4: to experience one of your senses through Another Wow. She 40 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 4: has curated scented candles and apparel through her her lifestyle 41 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 4: brand dream Seekers, adding a unique dimension to her artistry. 42 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Go Waffle, thank you, Thank you 43 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: for having me. I'm so happy to have you here. 44 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: And I just have to kick this show off by 45 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 4: telling you I will never forget where I was, who 46 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 4: I was. 47 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: And what I was doing. 48 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: The very first time I heard Closer It will make 49 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: me cry right now. I was in college, and I 50 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 4: think I first connected to the song in my freshman year, 51 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 4: which was two thousand and three, and that was actually 52 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: one of the breakthrough years for the Bay Area in music. 53 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: Like I remember, my freshman year was filled with you know, 54 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: the Hyphie movement, and like so many of my peers 55 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 4: in school came from like Valleo, they came from Oakland, 56 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 4: they came from the Bay. 57 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we were always. 58 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: Driving up and down and I was really exposed to 59 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: the vibrant music scene that was happening in Oakland and 60 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: all over the Bay. But I remember, you know, I mean, 61 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: your freshman year of college is such a pivotal moment 62 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: in life anyway. But I was also going through so 63 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 4: much at the time, someone I deeply love their life 64 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 4: was taken. I had a few other kind of traumatizing 65 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 4: things happen in that space, and I was trying to 66 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 4: figure out how to kind of go into the world 67 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: alone with these big dreams I couldn't even name quite yet. 68 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: And I remember I was sitting on the floor of 69 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: like my dorm, and I was playing the radio because 70 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 4: you used to do that back Okay, all the songs 71 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: there were not even like iPods like you know, And 72 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 4: so I remember that song came on and my eyes 73 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: just filled with tears and I just I couldn't describe it. 74 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? 75 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 4: And it took like my friend group, it took the 76 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 4: school by storm, like I remember, like all of us 77 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 4: were just like, oh my god, closer, Like it was 78 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: the song. It was just the song that spoke to 79 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 4: like the truth of our hearts and that time, you know, 80 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 4: and so many of us were just so moved by it. 81 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 4: So you know, I've had the chance to connect with 82 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 4: your work and even run into you over the years, 83 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: but that moment in time, like that what you birthed 84 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 4: into the world with that song, and I was listening 85 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: to it recently, I still listened to it all the time. 86 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 4: It was just it's just profound. It was just such 87 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 4: a medicine you gifted us with and thank you. 88 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: I'll just never forget it. So thanks. Oh my god. 89 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: I just love how vivid it was and that you 90 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: could remember the exact moment. That's that's huge for me, 91 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: you know, because we even want to cry so bad. 92 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: We've read we run into each other over the years. 93 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: We were trying to figure out how long it's been. 94 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: But I also just watch you out in the world, 95 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: and you know, your clips come up for me and 96 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: just like inspiring moments. So I love that I get 97 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: to be a part of your journey. Thank you, you know, 98 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you so much. 99 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. 100 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so just I mean I have everywhere I want 101 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 4: to go, but just off your bio alone, I'm really 102 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 4: fascinated by your background because you have South African apartheid, yeah, 103 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 4: and you have German jew in your ancestry. Yes, and 104 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: those are you know, when we think about the plights 105 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: of human in this current iteration of human history of civilization, 106 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 4: I mean, those two lineages are just it's just some 107 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: of the most like painful persecution. How does that show 108 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: up spiritually for you? You know, that's that's quite a week 109 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: to be a blend of those backgrounds, you know. 110 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question, and you know, thinking about 111 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 3: it now, I'm like, I don't know if he saw 112 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: the movie Origin, but basically both sides of my family 113 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: have been deeply affected by the cast system, you know 114 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: what I mean. 115 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: It's beyond race. 116 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: And my father who grew up in South Africa, Black 117 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: South African, you know, under the apartheid system and left 118 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: the country. 119 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: Illegally when that was going on. 120 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: And wasn't able then to go back until like you know, 121 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: twenty nine years later when things changed and he passed away, 122 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: but he got to live in a free South Africa, 123 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: thank god. And my mom's family, you know, my grandmother 124 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: escape Nazi Germany as a teenager and. 125 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Later on. 126 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: Had my mom, And it's really interesting right now to 127 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: think of you know, she grew up in what was 128 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: Palestine when she moved there and it was a safe 129 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: place for them, and then no, I'm sorry, Mike, my 130 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 3: her elder brother ten years older, it was Palestine and 131 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: then the same address ten years later was Israel. Yeah, 132 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: you know, so there's the power struggle in that that 133 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: it was a safe place for them, but now you know, 134 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: we see more and more it was at the cost 135 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: of displacing other people and that So it's been really 136 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: I've been reflecting on it a lot lately, you know, 137 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: like about my lineage and just like what to be 138 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: grateful for what's changed, and like the struggles that are 139 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: still there and the power struggles that are still there. 140 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: I think spiritually you're asking how it's informed me. I 141 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: would say it gives me a wide perspective, and I 142 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: think it has pushed I would say compassion is probably 143 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: the biggest spiritual gift that it's taught me. And to 144 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: also know and trust that things can change even when 145 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: it feels hopeless. Because when I was a kid, you know, 146 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: there were songs like free Nelson Mandela, you know that 147 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: Kimasa Kelly would sing and Mandela was in. 148 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: Jail for almost thirty years, and it. 149 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: Just kind of seem you know, we'd always be like 150 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 3: free Mondela and like, you know that thinking the apartheid 151 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: system would one day end. 152 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: But it took so many years. It took so many. 153 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: Years that at times it just seemed like it was 154 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: a piece of hope and just trying to be optimistic, 155 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: but to be able to witness that change and know 156 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: that like perseverance is possible if you just stay steady. 157 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: Is like it's a reminder to me when it seems 158 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: like a system is never gonna change and people are 159 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: never gonna change and opportunities will never come and there's 160 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: still a lot of imbalance. But definitely for the generations 161 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 3: that followed have got a different experience. 162 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: I was just yeah, I was just gonna say that too. 163 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: It's like, I think part of kind of seeing outside 164 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: of yourself in the bigger role that we're playing in 165 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: this experience on Earth. 166 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: It's like. 167 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 4: Having, you know, having gratitude in your heart even when 168 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 4: the change doesn't get to affect your life, owing that. 169 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: It will one day. It'll one day come. It might 170 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: not be in your lifetime. 171 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Yeah, It's like that's the space where it's 172 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: you just have to really stand and the truth of 173 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 4: something in the fight of something, and you know, the 174 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: the all the strength within the lineage of it will come. 175 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 4: I may not get the benefits of it, but anything 176 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 4: I'm doing now is for the advancement. 177 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: It will be done. Yes, yeah, ooh, I like that. 178 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's that it will be done 179 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: like that when I. 180 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 4: Think of like South Africa, especially like I named my 181 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 4: son after Mandela. 182 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: His middle name is Mandela. 183 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: Yes, I've just been like so high quest if you 184 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 4: see this ever in the future time your mother loves you. 185 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: The thing that is just I don't even know how 186 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: to like, I don't even have. 187 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 4: Words for what is Nelson Mandela right, like, because if 188 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: you think we're just starting to understand mental health, and 189 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 4: something that we know now is that if you are 190 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: put in solitary confinement like up to a year, your 191 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 4: mental health can be gravely affected. 192 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: Maybe even a month, maybe even a month, like it 193 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: can be irreparable. 194 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and think of Nelson Mandela being in his cell alone. 195 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if he was in solitary 196 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: his entire confinement, but he was. He was alone for. 197 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Thirty years, thirty thirty thirty. It's some people's lifetime. Some 198 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: people don't even get to live longer than thirty years. 199 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: And he didn't get out and go into go to 200 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: a retreat, right like, he get out of that thirty 201 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: year experience of not having his entire family being oppressed 202 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 4: in a way there is no freedom from. Yeah, he 203 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 4: didn't go into a therapy session. He got out and 204 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 4: ran a country with the mission of love. 205 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 3: With and with mental sharpness, yes, composure, charm, charm, oh 206 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: my god, you know and yeah, and I think the 207 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: whole time he must have been knowing, trusting it would become. Yeah, 208 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't like he was just thinking this 209 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: current reality is just this is going to be the reality. 210 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: He was always thinking, like the people want me, and 211 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 3: I will be running this country. And you know, I'm 212 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: sure doing so many things that sustained him and preparing 213 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: knowing he'd be released and to go. But you're right, yeah, 214 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: I don't. 215 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: Who could do that? Who else could do that? 216 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 4: Right, it's such a supernatural level of grace, compassion and 217 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: purpose and fortitude, Like it's just yes, yeah, it's incomparable. 218 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: But thank you for sharing those parts of your because 219 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 4: you know, I think we're in a time right now where, 220 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: gratefully we have deeper understanding on the fact that trauma 221 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: lives in our bodies and it affects us, and that 222 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: there is intergenerational trauma, passed down trauma and cesstral trauma, 223 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 4: so these are things that we're unpacking and when you 224 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: look at the roots of that, that's it's just that's 225 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 4: quite a substantial kind of incarnation to walk into with 226 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: having those experiences on both sides of your lineage. Yeah, 227 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: I think the more each of us can kind of explore, well, 228 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: what culturally, what has been living in the bodies of 229 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: my parents, you know, what were the experiences and really 230 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: what is the psychological effect that that has as it's 231 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 4: passed down. It's just it's fascinating. 232 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think one of the things, one of 233 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: the greatest gifts I think from South African culture is 234 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: music and harmony and songs that I grew up to. Honestly, 235 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: we're banned in South Africa at that time, but you know, 236 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: Mary and mckayba, all these different folks could share the 237 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: music and talk about the realities outside of South Africa, 238 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: you know, And so I think for me it was like, 239 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: you know, I'd listen to those artists and Stevie Wonder 240 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: and Bob Marley and different people and just think, like, 241 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: with good music you can always you can also have 242 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: a message and it's not like everything has to be 243 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: like that, you know what I mean, some stuff is 244 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: just to feel good or be a vibe or whatever. 245 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: But the activism and art can go hand in hand, 246 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: you know. 247 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: So that brings me to the way that you create. 248 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: You know. 249 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 4: One of the things that is mentioned here, I am 250 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 4: so not familiar with how do you experience. 251 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: SYNESI just I only learn the word not that long 252 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 3: ago because I think I was reading something about Pharrell 253 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: or something who said he has synesesion. He was describing 254 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: he sees music or something like that, and I was like, oh, 255 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: my gosh, I didn't know there was a name for this, 256 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 3: because for me, when I hear sounds, it's just kind 257 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: of like maybe an extra filter. Yeah, of that it 258 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: might be associated with a color or a texture or 259 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 3: which is like it's it's not always like that it 260 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: looks amazing, but it's just like certain things are going 261 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: to be a little more in harmony and work together 262 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: and certain things and I'd be like, oh, like that's 263 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: clashing to me, not just on a sonic level, but 264 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: visually not going together, and like words and letters and 265 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: numbers have colors and I just see it. So it's 266 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 3: just a subconscious kind of thing. But I think, as 267 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: you know, now you said you heard Closer in two 268 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 3: thousand and three. So it's been like I've been in 269 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 3: this for a minute, and I think I want to 270 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 3: inspire other people, but I also want to be inspired, 271 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 3: and I want to share my music and creativity in 272 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: new ways. So with this project, I was like, can 273 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: I somehow help people see the music the way that 274 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: I see it and feel it, you know? And it 275 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 3: took me a long time to even put into words 276 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: how I would do that, Like how can it be tangible? 277 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: And so I created like the songs kind of are 278 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: grouped in different color tones in my mind, and there's 279 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 3: three different color sense. 280 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: Now I can give you the gift I wanted. 281 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: I've been like the saving from when I came on 282 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 3: the show, and I love sense, which was so wonderful 283 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: because when I came in here, it smelled so good, 284 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: you guys. 285 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: What is all this beautiful stuff? Oh my god? 286 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 3: I wanted something like Okay, so for the first or 287 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: the current song right now is purple, and the through 288 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: the music like lyrically the vibe, I feel like it 289 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: should smell like that. 290 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: Wow, I love your reactions. 291 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 4: It yeah, moaning in the. 292 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: Streets and it's like What does it smell like to you? 293 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: Not tell you what it is. 294 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 4: It smells like freedom, Like I feel like I'm in 295 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: kind of like this open state of being almost like 296 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: kind of in the void, but it's it's also like 297 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 4: a blooming field. 298 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: Ooh. 299 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 300 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: It just feels like it's inside of you and outside 301 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: of you. 302 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: Yeah sometime, yes, Okay, good because I was going for 303 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: something atmospheric that kind of brings you in. 304 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: And so beautiful. Thank you. 305 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: The song was kind of influenced by Prince, which I 306 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: feel like creatively it's like something that I tap into 307 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 3: a lot when I'm working on a song because I 308 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: feel like there's something. 309 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: Did you and Prince collaborate? We talked about collaborating. 310 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 3: We never got in the studio, but I do perform 311 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 3: at his club at thirty one twenty one one time 312 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: and he, you know, came on stage and played on 313 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 3: Crushed Out. I'm like, there's a there's a recording of 314 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: that somewhere and then you know, other jam sessions. 315 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: But this is what purple shit feel like, this silky texture. 316 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: And you're sleeping and go out any whatever, Wow, this 317 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 3: is gorgeous. Yeah, and it's one hundred percent silk, so 318 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 3: it feels good, but it's like electric book comforting. 319 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: It's such a beautiful shade. It's very supernatural. Yeah, this 320 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: is so beautiful. 321 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like what I've been working on 322 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: to articulate for a long time, Like during the pandemic, 323 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: you know, when I was like doing private shows for 324 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 3: my living room, you know, for for different organizations and 325 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 3: and different stuff like that, and waiting to be in 326 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: person with people. I mean that was like the strangest 327 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: experience ever. But I was like, how can there be 328 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: something where people can walk away from a show and 329 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: still feel connected somehow to the vibe? Like how can 330 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: I go past just T shirts and stuff like that 331 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: but leave people with like more of an expression. 332 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: Yes, and an experience. 333 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, in a moody you know that you can like 334 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: put it on and recreate it, and even on the 335 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 3: label you can scan it and it goes back to 336 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 3: the song. 337 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm obsessed. Yeah, it's like it's so experiential, 338 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's just very much. Yeah. 339 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 4: I'm so curious because I think we're just kind of 340 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: collectively everyone's always known this, right, music is so healing, 341 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 4: but we're really understanding No, actually it can heal you. 342 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, music is absolutely a posty. 343 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 4: It can, yes, for sure, soothe your nervous system. You're 344 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 4: seven albums in. Did you always kind of. 345 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: Know that you were a healer through music? I never 346 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: even heard someone say that before. But I love it really, 347 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: I love it really. I think that. 348 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: I always love to do music. And you know, the 349 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: first places that I would perform were like at women 350 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: and girls retreats and youth retreats and stuff like that, 351 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 3: and I would sing a cappella and it was like, 352 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: you do your thing now, you know what I mean? 353 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 3: And I'd sing like a sweet honey in the rock 354 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: song or a jazz song. Before I started learning to 355 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: write my own music, and I liked seeing how the 356 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: energy affected people, you know, I felt like it brought 357 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 3: out emotions and kind of I saw how music can 358 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 3: change the energy. And I felt like I always wanted 359 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: to be an artist, but I was like, let me 360 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 3: if I could. I still want to have an impact. 361 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: I want that thing that brings us together in it. 362 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: So I think there's part of that that's always been 363 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: in my intention or whatever. And you know, sometimes you 364 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: can't tell what impact it's having. And then there's like 365 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: little reminders or someone will say something or like you 366 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 3: know what she said while we were talking, and then 367 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: it's like an affirmation. 368 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: Deeply. 369 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: Well, it can be such a potent healing medicine, and 370 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: it can also honestly be the thing that. 371 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: Leads to astray. 372 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 4: Like I think of some of the negative effects that 373 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 4: you know, I'm in the millennial generation. That that generation 374 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: that we've experienced really due to a lot of the music, 375 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: Like the way we interact as men and women. 376 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: We can't. 377 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: We can't say we weren't affected, like me hearing sex 378 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 4: presented in a certain kind of way about kind of 379 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 4: a woman being mistreated, beat it up and then throw 380 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 4: her away, Like I heard that every day, all. 381 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: Day for twenty years. Like every time I listen to anything. 382 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: It has an effect. 383 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, has an effect on the kind of worth we 384 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: attribute to relationships, to our bodies, to everything you know. 385 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: And so yeah, there's those. There are the artists, the 386 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: healing artists, the healing. 387 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 4: Musicians that make the music that I think allow everyone 388 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 4: else to heal and to feel seen and to feel heard, 389 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 4: to feel hope and enthusiasm. 390 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: Thank you. 391 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I mean, if you listen to 392 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: my playlist, it's like the all the extremes. 393 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, and I know you've got to have 394 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: some like too short. I have got to have forty 395 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: on there. 396 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to be included, even like you know, 397 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: like Snoop from you know, ninety four. Yes, And I 398 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: think that for me, I realize there it has to 399 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: be you know, it's like a soundtrack to my life. 400 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: And I have to be in the right space for 401 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: the right thing. 402 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 3: And there's you know, ratchet songs that if I want 403 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: to turn up or I need energy, is fun. 404 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: But if i'm. 405 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 3: You know, if it's too early in the morning, or 406 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: I'm feeling sensitive, or there's just like some real stuff 407 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: going on, you know what I mean, like some stress 408 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: that I need to go through, I'll hear the lyrics 409 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: in a different way and I can't and I have 410 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 3: to switch way switch the frequency. 411 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, to. 412 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 3: Just like way calmer things. And I love that hip 413 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: hop is grown so big now that it's like we 414 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: get to see you know, artists like Andree three thousand 415 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: that's doing something totally different. It's like, oh, this is 416 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: what I was listening to on my own, But it's 417 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 3: like it's dope to see it presented in a larger way, 418 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: you know, and like also acceptable for men to tap 419 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 3: into that because it's like we've been tapping into you know, 420 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I think, yeah, there's like a 421 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: mood for everything. But definitely on a subconscious level and 422 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: conscious level, music definitely has an impact. It's like we 423 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 3: memorize stuff from when we were kids because it has 424 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: a melody, right, you go so deep down yeah, yeah, 425 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 3: and then you're like, what would I say? I know, 426 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: ain't no fun word for word, like I know. But 427 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 3: it's also because the music, Oh that song is so classic, 428 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: and that's it's like you'll see every woman is still 429 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: like looking around like is it for me? 430 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Is it safe? 431 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: No? 432 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: Literally, misogyny has the best beats of all now okay, 433 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 4: I really And also I got to say shout out 434 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 4: to Dre and New Blue Sun, phenomenal album and just 435 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 4: so yeah, just extraordinary to release that into the world. 436 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 4: Your creative process, so I mean, you are You're a 437 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: true creative and we are in the age of creativity 438 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: and I think you know wellness has had so many 439 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 4: transitions in the last seventy several years, but where it's 440 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 4: really headed is each of us kind of owning our 441 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 4: ability to be artists and whatever ways that we are, so, 442 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: you know, having created healing music, I'm gonna keep saying 443 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: that for seven altums, you know, having a career that 444 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: has spawned this length of time, and then also continuing 445 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: to elevate the creations with multisensory experiences, with everything else 446 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 4: you're building. How do you create the kind of nourishing 447 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: space to invoke that creativity in yourself? How does one 448 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: tap into that ability? 449 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like by any means necessary, That's 450 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: what it feels like. 451 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: It might be the discipline of showing up at the 452 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: studio even when I don't have an idea, you know, 453 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: and just like be in the practice of showing up, yeah, 454 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: you know. And it might be me not overthinking and 455 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: just taking a walk by myself by the beach, just 456 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: with my headphones on and my little voice memos. And 457 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: sometimes for me, when I don't have the pressure of 458 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: like you have to come up with something right now, 459 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: and it's this allotted amount of time and you're on 460 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: the clock, sometimes I'm just freer because it's like my 461 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: subconscious can be exposed or whatever air out. Sometimes I'll 462 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 3: just be driving around and I it's odd, but that's 463 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 3: kind of a creative time for me. And I think 464 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: it's because I'm paying attention to something else, so I'm 465 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: really not overthinking it, and so I might just be 466 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: like listening, you know, to a beat that I'm trying 467 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: to work on, and it's just. 468 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I feel more open. 469 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 4: I'm going to kind of like I'm hearing that you're 470 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: creating this space, like let the download drop in. You're 471 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 4: not like pressurizing it, yes, And that comes from. 472 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: I used to pressurize it and sometimes it was just 473 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: stressful and I was like, do people have fun in 474 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 3: the studio because this doesn't. 475 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: Feel fun right now, you know. 476 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm putting this on myself, like if 477 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: I you know, and years ago, I couldn't have recorded 478 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: multi tracks on my phone just to keep notes, you 479 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying for when I go in the studio. 480 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 3: But now it's like there's so many things you can 481 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: do on your own at home, blah blah blah. It's 482 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: just a little more freeing and then I can do 483 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,479 Speaker 3: the real thing when I'm in the studio, and then 484 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: sometimes it's sitting down with musicians. I wrote a lot 485 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: of these songs with Errol Cooney, who plays guitar, and 486 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: Mike Auberg, who plays keys, and I kind of like 487 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 3: let it come together as a puzzle and a little 488 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 3: more organically and a little more thoughtfully because I had 489 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: a lot of time on my hands this time. And 490 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: then I also worked closely with Bedrock, who's a producer 491 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: and just like creates such a vibe. 492 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: But I think I just like being around people that 493 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: I can be comfortable. 494 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, God, that's so important, Like would you 495 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 4: say that that is kind of being in soft place, 496 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 4: being around people that you know when I hear the 497 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 4: words comfort, I feel most comfortable when I'm like myself, 498 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 4: which is yeah, a. 499 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Little weird, a little fun, a little Yeah. It's just permission, 500 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 1: not like I have to be on. 501 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't want to feel like I have to 502 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: be on when I'm in the studio or that I 503 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: have to be perfect or it's going to sound good 504 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 3: right away, because I feel really vulnerable when I'm first 505 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: coming up with an idea and I don't know if 506 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 3: it's dope, I don't know if it's trash. I don't 507 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: know if and it might sound wonky when it first 508 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: comes out, but if I feel safe, it might be magic, 509 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 3: you know, And then that gets captured and I'm not 510 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: like scared a way to even try it. 511 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: That is such a word right there that I feel 512 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: like can be applied to everything for all of us, 513 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 4: which is like, if I feel safe, then I can 514 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 4: make the magic. Like then your magic is present, like 515 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 4: when I'm in my safety, when I'm feeling yeah, stable. 516 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 3: Safe, You're not like worrying, You're not watching your back 517 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: at the same time, or too self conscious at the 518 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: same time. Sometimes I would even record, like can I 519 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 3: do this without the engineer for a moment, Like can 520 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: you set me up and then walk out so that 521 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: I'm not even thinking about someone else judging me while 522 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: I'm in the first phases of creating. 523 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: You know, that's so freeing to hear, you know, I'm 524 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 4: kind of I've really spent a lot of time the 525 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 4: last couple of years trying to court my own creativity 526 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 4: and just really let it be in its freedom. And 527 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 4: I think you know, as you shared, like so many 528 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 4: people have so many things to birth inside of themselves, 529 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 4: but until you discover the key that unlocks your genius. 530 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 4: It can feel so challenging, but it's like having just knowing. 531 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 4: You can have so many rough drafts, you know. 532 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: So many, so many yeah, until it feels good. 533 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel like even like I remember this 534 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: is fifteen years ago when I was working in LA Radio, 535 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 4: Kanye maybe more, I don't know what year it is. 536 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 4: Kanye came out with Atoits and Heartbreak. Yes, Yes, incredible album, 537 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 4: and I remember he did. He had this private listening 538 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 4: session that was in a abandoned parking garage and there 539 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: were fifty naked women standing there wearing masks, and the 540 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 4: only people that saw. 541 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: It, Oh, you were at like when they were doing 542 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: the video. No, it was just the listening session. 543 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: It was. 544 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 4: It was one of the most incredible things I've ever 545 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 4: been to. But the year was like two thousand and eight, 546 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: and I remember I was standing there and I was 547 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 4: I was staring at these women and like they were 548 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 4: kind of passing out because like standing straight for so long, 549 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 4: you have to bend your knees a little while, so 550 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 4: they would just gently sit themselves on the floor and 551 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: they had wool masks all over their face and they 552 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 4: were completely nude, and I remember looking at that and 553 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 4: been like okay, wow, And then I saw him recreate 554 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 4: that over the next ten years, like no one saw 555 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 4: it there except the people that were there. But then 556 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 4: I ended up seeing those same textures and those same 557 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 4: mass or those same stylized women appear so many times 558 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 4: any different things he did over the next year years, 559 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 4: And it was one of the most revolutionary things to witness, 560 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 4: kind of secretly because no one, you know, I don't 561 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 4: know if anyone else is connecting those dots. I saw 562 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 4: it and felt it, and I was just like, oh, 563 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 4: you can keep trying, like you can keep perfecting the vision. 564 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: You can you don't have to do. 565 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 3: Talk about yeah, you know, like even if people don't 566 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 3: get it, I'm going to go all the way until 567 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: it really evolves to like where you all see it clearly. 568 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, till you get it. Maybe we're even in the 569 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: year where people are awake enough to get it. Yeah. 570 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 4: It was just I think about that all the time, 571 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 4: and it was just such a powerful thing to witness 572 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 4: and kind of be able to see play out over time. 573 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: Deeply. 574 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 4: Well, what are all the ways that everyone can connect 575 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 4: with you and connect with your work? And especially connect 576 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: with all the beautiful new experiences. 577 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 3: Well on all the social media handles. I'm just at 578 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 3: Guappolai gap and through guaplea dot com they can get 579 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: the merch. But I also have a site Dreamseeker dot 580 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 3: com that has all the dream Seeker merch and colors 581 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 3: is out there on every platform. And I have some 582 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 3: more shows coming up. I'm kind of touring different areas 583 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 3: at a time in intimate venues. 584 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: And you know, sharing it. So I hope you can 585 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: come here. 586 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 4: Yes, I need to l one. Yeah, yeah, please, thank 587 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 4: you so much. Ah Well, I hope everyone first of 588 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 4: all listens to the album Colors, but definitely in this 589 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 4: episode by putting on closer, I know I will be 590 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 4: listening to that as I drive home today. Thank you 591 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 4: for your work. Thank you so much for your work. 592 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 4: Thank you for your heart. Thank you for your intention 593 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: and all the things that you create, and just all 594 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 4: the beauty and healing you. 595 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: Birthed in the world with your creative process. 596 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 3: Thank you that was so beautiful. Thank you for your 597 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: energy and for your platform and for the space. 598 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: That you hold. It's an honor. Thank you. 599 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 4: A little soul work today for everyone is I would 600 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 4: share that after you listen to this episode and listen 601 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 4: a closer, spend the next week until we meet again, 602 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 4: really investigating and having grace with your own creative process. 603 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 4: You don't have to know what you need a birth 604 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 4: right now, but I know you feel something, You feel 605 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 4: a seed of something. So just create the empty space 606 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 4: that is not filled with your plans, with the way 607 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 4: you think it should be structured. Just sit and let 608 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 4: it arrive, you know, let something come into your awareness 609 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 4: and be in practice with it. You don't have to 610 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 4: perform this week fully execute this week. Just begin to 611 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 4: really court, flirt with play with what is my creative process? 612 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 4: That's a great question a journal to and meditate too 613 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 4: and think about until we meet again. 614 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: No, I'm as stay. 615 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 4: The content presented on Deeply Well serves solely for educational 616 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 4: and informational purposes. It should not be considered a replacement 617 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: for personalized medical or mental health guidance and does not 618 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 4: constitute a provider patient relationship. 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