Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you, my own Bowen. Look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, wow, lost cult.
Speaker 2: Ding, dull lost cult calling I'm in my scab era.
Speaker 1: No, don't say that they're gonna come for us. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm upset actually about people. Okay, we're getting
Speaker 1: off on this foot. We're gonna talk about Drew.
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 1: Okay, so wow, immediately thrust into the topics at hand.
Speaker 1: And yeah, don't apologize. You're about to apologize.
Speaker 2: I was about to apologize. So you know me so well.
Speaker 1: Bowen is saying he's a scab right now because he's
Speaker 1: wearing a Mickey Mouse hat, and I have to say,
Speaker 1: Mickey apparel is actually one of the cutest things ever. Stop.
Speaker 1: You should you should get in with the House of Mouse.
Speaker 1: I really think after all that they.
Speaker 2: Don't want me. They don't want me, they don't want you.
Speaker 2: The closest Dike out was Fox Searchlight.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, and then not even Fox Searchlight, just search Light,
Speaker 1: just search Light. We can't talk about this, but this See,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Can we talk about the difference between
Speaker 1: supporting a project that has a waiver yes and scabbing?
Speaker 1: Because it feels like the girls are still very confused, right,
Speaker 1: and there's much to say.
Speaker 2: I'm out here not I was gonna say shamelessly plugging
Speaker 2: dicks the musical, But what's like the level beyond shameless,
Speaker 2: Like there is no shame and yet there is no
Speaker 2: shame to be had, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like I would say, you are within the bounds
Speaker 1: promoting the project because the project got a waiver from SAG.
Speaker 2: We got the interim agreement last Wednesday. I had to
Speaker 2: pack my bags and rush to the airport and it
Speaker 2: was a thrill and it was so lovely to be
Speaker 2: in Toronto. We are so grateful, so lucky that we
Speaker 2: got it. Grateful to the union, Grateful to A twenty four.
Speaker 2: And this is what I said on stories. It's like,
Speaker 2: if you on an ethical perspective, if you like universalize
Speaker 2: the max, It's like if everyone were to do this,
Speaker 2: if everyone were to promote their interim Project agreement, then
Speaker 2: what happened is the strike would be over because then
Speaker 2: everybody is on board with SAG and WGA's terms like that.
Speaker 2: This is how it works, Like the unions win. It
Speaker 2: is a very thought out strategy. Why these things exist
Speaker 2: there's a reason why there's no consumer boytal and there's
Speaker 2: a reason why there are interim agreements. It's because you're
Speaker 2: able to publicize the way that this can work out,
Speaker 2: in the way that the studios are being so so
Speaker 2: so terrible in austere with how they are like negotiating
Speaker 2: or not even negotiating with the unions.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm so happy that the film was
Speaker 1: so well received. Dick the musical did so well at Tiff,
Speaker 1: and it's so exciting. I mean, you can now listen
Speaker 1: to All Love what did they call it? All Love
Speaker 1: Is Love? It's called All Love Is Love? So fun.
Speaker 1: You can listen to All Love Is Love, which originally
Speaker 1: was titled God as a Fagot. But I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: to sort of make sure that we don't scare kids off.
Speaker 1: We want kids, of course, to see the film. We
Speaker 1: want young impressionable minds to be I guess, as simply put,
Speaker 1: groomed by the film. And so in order to groom me.
Speaker 2: Keep going.
Speaker 1: But in order to correctly really groom these kids the
Speaker 1: way we want to groom them, we have to make
Speaker 1: sure we hide the title of the song. And by we,
Speaker 1: I mean Josh and Aaron and everyone involved in the movie.
Speaker 1: I am not. I just feel spiritually involved in Dixon Musical.
Speaker 1: But God is a fagot. You can listen to it
Speaker 1: now on Spotify and bring your kids into the room.
Speaker 1: It's important they hear this so they can become demon
Speaker 1: fagots as well. God faggots. It's really important we conflate
Speaker 1: this with Christianity too, And that's how we move our
Speaker 1: agenda forward, because we are, of course demon sucubis fagots
Speaker 1: who want to mold the minds of children first and foremost,
Speaker 1: so we can create an army which then can push
Speaker 1: our agenda forward and hopefully exterminate everyone who doesn't agree
Speaker 1: with us. That is, of course the mission.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mission is for this army of demon faggots
Speaker 2: to deface one statue, one Confederate statue. That's it, right,
Speaker 2: We're keeping our goals very manageable and achievable. It's just
Speaker 2: one statue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we won't say which. We won't say which
Speaker 1: because we need the element of surprise. That's how a
Speaker 1: war works, That's how civil war is going to work
Speaker 1: in this case. You know what I mean. We're not
Speaker 1: going to tell you what we're gonna attack, but just
Speaker 1: that we're gonna attack, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You are full on joker mode right now. I can
Speaker 2: feel it.
Speaker 1: I'm radicalized. I am a demon faggot from hell and
Speaker 1: I am on the ground and I feel this movie
Speaker 1: has empowered me. And I have to say this film
Speaker 1: Dixon Musical has radicalized me to be the groomer I am,
Speaker 1: and I'll be groom You're about to see me, Grumman,
Speaker 1: that's great. If it's not clear, these are a little
Speaker 1: bit of jokes, a little bit of jokes on the pod,
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: What else do we do? We want to say before well,
Speaker 2: what I want to.
Speaker 1: Say is that people, especially with platforms, and this is
Speaker 1: me being entirely serious, need to understand and do their
Speaker 1: research about who they are calling scabs, which is a
Speaker 1: really damning label to put someone on in a time
Speaker 1: like this, is to call someone who is granted a
Speaker 1: waiver by the union a scab, or to say, look,
Speaker 1: if it's a strike, it's a strike. That is not true.
Speaker 1: And it's really really, really disheartening to see people attack
Speaker 1: each other based on misinformation or you know, worse than
Speaker 1: just based on misinformation, based on just wanting to get attention, right,
Speaker 1: and I genuinely think that that is the case for
Speaker 1: a couple people. I do not want to get messy,
Speaker 1: but it's just interesting who some people choose to name
Speaker 1: and who some people choose to leave out of their criticisms.
Speaker 1: And that's all I'll say about that. But I will
Speaker 1: say that when you are out here saying scab, scab,
Speaker 1: scab towards people who are working on a project that
Speaker 1: has a SAG waiver, you have a at this point
Speaker 1: willful I think, misunderstanding of what is going on here
Speaker 1: and how the strike is working. And do us all
Speaker 1: a favor and secondarily yourself, but do us all a
Speaker 1: favor by not spreading that misinformation and not being harmful.
Speaker 2: Right now, Yes, I understand on a cognitive level what
Speaker 2: a waiver does. It creates this exceptional circumstance where you go, well, hey,
Speaker 2: if they're able to do it, then why can't you
Speaker 2: know the rest of us or whatever. It's not even that,
Speaker 2: it's like they think that that is anti labor and
Speaker 2: it's literally literally not it's literally not because it's this
Speaker 2: is a kind of like action that I think people
Speaker 2: seem to overlook the fact that there is a centralized
Speaker 2: place where all of these decisions are made and we're
Speaker 2: in the strike is because there is a central negotiating committee.
Speaker 2: There's a national board within these unions that like got
Speaker 2: us into these strikes for very good reasons, and it's
Speaker 2: those same entities that are thinking really far ahead and
Speaker 2: communicating with us effectively. I think I think every time
Speaker 2: the WGA emails come in, I'm like, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: What's this going to be in a way that I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is going to be like dense with information and
Speaker 2: we have to interpret this and whatever. But with the
Speaker 2: interim agreements, there's a reason why SAG has it even
Speaker 2: like backed down from that either like there has been pressure,
Speaker 2: like a non negligible pressure from people within the union
Speaker 2: who are like, hey, maybe we do this less, and
Speaker 2: SAG is like, loll no, it's actually helping the cause.
Speaker 2: And actually the other side is invested in you wanting
Speaker 2: to mislabel people as scabs or create tension within this
Speaker 2: action that like weakens us and weakens our side. The
Speaker 2: thing is AMPTP is this disparate group of companies like
Speaker 2: one sells you phones, one sends you stuff in cardboard boxes.
Speaker 2: One is a streamer, Like, these are all companies with
Speaker 2: different goals and different interests, and they are the ones
Speaker 2: that are like really really really not on the same page.
Speaker 2: And that is to our advantage. And the fact that
Speaker 2: there are these conversations within the like you know, the
Speaker 2: people who make these front facing videos and like make
Speaker 2: a whole thing about this, I feel like that is
Speaker 2: playing directly into that situation for us where we look
Speaker 2: like we're kind of.
Speaker 1: Crumbling, disorganized, inviting wear a mask. Also, it's like, if
Speaker 1: a film or a project has an interim agreement, that
Speaker 1: probably does mean that they made that interim agreement with
Speaker 1: a studio or company that is probably not the problem.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I think, because it's like you
Speaker 1: now start to hear that like a lot of the
Speaker 1: studios are like fed up with this, and the reason
Speaker 1: why we're not. They're not at the table right now
Speaker 1: is because they're infighting because they really want what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to end this. And so what I feel like is,
Speaker 1: if there is a problem, we need to start saying
Speaker 1: who that problem is and start targeting those people, Like
Speaker 1: I'll just say it, if the problem is Netflix, we
Speaker 1: need to start saying the problem is Netflix. Yeah, yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: if that is true, let's start saying it's true. And
Speaker 1: I also think there's a really interesting thing that might
Speaker 1: happen where some studios just break with the AMPTP and
Speaker 1: say like, fuck it whatever. But I think we're getting
Speaker 1: to the point now where it's gonna become pretty obvious
Speaker 1: who the problem is and where the problem is. And
Speaker 1: I just wonder, at what point do we start actually
Speaker 1: saying that, Like, of course, obviously the whole system is
Speaker 1: the issue, and the whole system needs to change, but
Speaker 1: it feels like it can outsid. I have a few holdouts,
Speaker 1: and I'll just say if the issue is.
Speaker 2: Netflix, Netflix, Yeah, let's just say it's Netflix. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: actually a role of culture. Yeah, role of culture number seven,
Speaker 2: The issue is Netflix, So let's just say say Netflix.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's just like how much more tired
Speaker 1: can we all fucking get? I've forgotten how to act.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have.
Speaker 2: I don't know the first thing about acting or writing.
Speaker 1: Really literally, I'm not confident that when I get back
Speaker 1: on screens, Oh, I'll be with myself. I'm telling you, Boing,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've acted seriously. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: acted in over a year.
Speaker 2: It's within you, Matt, It's within you. It's all abou
Speaker 2: connecting with your inner self. Thank you and you you
Speaker 2: do that every day.
Speaker 1: You are mine.
Speaker 2: I really do?
Speaker 1: You really know? Because I look at you and I'm
Speaker 1: so inspired. I'm so inspired by your gifts. Just stupid
Speaker 1: bit I will look at you sometimes I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'll have to stop myself from reaching out into your
Speaker 1: shoulder and telling you these words. I'm inspired by your gift.
Speaker 1: Because there has to be a separation between best friends
Speaker 1: and number one fan. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: if I told you what a fan I was, you
Speaker 1: would get a stalkerl agreement on me. You'd get a
Speaker 1: you get a tro temporary restraint and order.
Speaker 2: What is mutual stalking if not best friendship that's from
Speaker 2: one division, that's from one division, that's actually real culture
Speaker 2: number nine?
Speaker 1: What is mutual stocking if not best friendship that's from
Speaker 1: one division.
Speaker 2: I am your number one fan. I will out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Readers Katie's helpuses finalists be like, oh my god, Matt,
Speaker 2: remember that one time you did this. I'm a fucking kid, Stan,
Speaker 2: I stand this girl.
Speaker 1: We stand each other.
Speaker 2: You know how much I stand you.
Speaker 1: You know you're that girl to me. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: cry right now?
Speaker 2: I could.
Speaker 1: I don't be crying, Oh my god, be crying because
Speaker 1: I can't get TecTile with you right now on this
Speaker 1: virtual it feels like it's fucking April twenty twenty. I
Speaker 1: can't even reach out to you and console you.
Speaker 2: Feels like April twenty twenty all over again. Not March.
Speaker 2: March was an amazing month top to bottom. Twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I was out there.
Speaker 1: Oh, March twenty twenty was the life. Oh I loved it.
Speaker 1: It was so incredible to look around, see nothing, see nothing.
Speaker 2: Me playing animal crossing, going well, it's only going to
Speaker 2: be two weeks.
Speaker 1: Guess I'm in my yeah, oh me fucking. When I
Speaker 1: think of March twenty twenty, I think of two things,
Speaker 1: A global pandemic and parvity. That was when I fully
Speaker 1: got into survivor, the turning point of my life.
Speaker 2: The turning point I was going to say that I
Speaker 2: am not all the way done with The Morning Show
Speaker 2: season two yet you have one day I know, well,
Speaker 2: I mean by the time this episode comes out the
Speaker 2: season will be on Apple TV.
Speaker 1: No, no, not the season, the first two episodes. So
Speaker 1: remember this is not a show that releases all at once.
Speaker 2: That's right. We actually can't talk about this.
Speaker 1: No, we can talk about watching the show. We just
Speaker 1: can't be like promoting show like we can sit. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to ring my own neck. I swear to god.
Speaker 1: We can't be like this show comes out this time
Speaker 1: on this day. But we can be like we're watching
Speaker 1: this show. Like for example, like I will say many
Speaker 1: things on this episode, one of which will be how
Speaker 1: much I enjoyed seeing Bottoms. I am not going to
Speaker 1: promote the movie, but I'm going to talk about how
Speaker 1: much I enjoyed it. That is within our rights as
Speaker 1: a podcaster. During Speck, we checked, we checked, But you
Speaker 1: got to finish that second season before it comes back.
Speaker 2: Do they all just get COVID and die?
Speaker 1: Is what I say. They don't all get COVID and die.
Speaker 1: In fact, none of them get COVID and die. They
Speaker 1: do get COVID and almost die, or at least Jennifer
Speaker 1: Aniston's gasps repeatedly, I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying. You
Speaker 1: have to get to it. I'm telling you, it's what
Speaker 1: happens to By the way, I for some reason was
Speaker 1: looking back in our like shared dms or whatever, and
Speaker 1: there was a moment where you posted a story which
Speaker 1: was me telling you Jennifer Aniston gets COVID and becomes
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan in the finale of the Morning Show, and
Speaker 1: you just said omg and posted it to your story.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I posted the text because you don't know the Dushen
Speaker 2: laughter that I laughed when I saw that text, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta post this to stories.
Speaker 1: Now, what is Dushin because Dushen feels like what we
Speaker 1: do before we about to meet up with that man duche.
Speaker 2: I'm dous I'm Dushen, and I'm bending over and I
Speaker 2: get right like Jonathan Groffin looking girl.
Speaker 1: I went to Dashume. I had to do sheen because
Speaker 1: because I was gonna be like Jonathan Groffin looking later
Speaker 1: that night after Dushome, which was not the place to
Speaker 1: go eat beforehand. Dushen after Dashume is title of that after.
Speaker 2: By the way, we're excited for London, We're excited for Berlin,
Speaker 2: We're excited for we are excited.
Speaker 1: And coming and wait, we do have one thing to
Speaker 1: for sure announce, which is that our guest for our
Speaker 1: Amsterdam show is the one, the only, Michelle Collins. Okay,
Speaker 1: someone spilled sauce. Someone just spilled the tea that Michelle
Speaker 1: will be joining us in Amsterdam live.
Speaker 2: Can you even I can't, and I even I listened
Speaker 2: back to this. Someone spilled some story.
Speaker 1: It's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Michelle Collins is a treasure, a global treasure at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean literally one of the reasons why we're even
Speaker 1: doing the show there because she's there.
Speaker 2: One thousand percent. We're on the way to booking someone
Speaker 2: in Berlin that I hope works out. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: huge fans of this legendary, legendary. We might have talked
Speaker 2: about this person on the podcast a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: Who knows it's busted Queen, she's flying out.
Speaker 2: I would fly up busted. By the way, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: Daniel and everyone at you know work in the Ice Palace,
Speaker 2: please use me for any and all pole quotes. And Matt,
Speaker 2: I mean both of us, absolutely, we will say anything
Speaker 2: you want to say. The Underwear Party the best experience
Speaker 2: anyone can have in humanity.
Speaker 1: You him to be used for pop quotes. I'm still
Speaker 1: on the door at Titanique.
Speaker 2: That is the cheapest. Millions of people around the world
Speaker 2: are seeing that quote.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just so funny, Broan, because it's just
Speaker 1: the word unbelievable. And then it says Matt Rogers lost
Speaker 1: count unbelievable. You wouldn't believe it? Did you say it?
Speaker 1: Or did you not? You said it? I said it,
Speaker 1: and I'm proud to have said it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, what is your poll quote for
Speaker 2: Guts by Olivia Rodrigo.
Speaker 1: My pull quote for Guts is the following It's forwards.
Speaker 1: I know, that's right. Ah, that's good. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the big pop girly album of the moment. Guts, so
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigue's long awaited sophomore album. And you know, the
Speaker 1: sophomore album is maybe the most important album in the
Speaker 1: pop girly life cycle. To be honest with you, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you agree?
Speaker 2: Melodrama, fearless, m h either say a monster or born
Speaker 2: this way, depending on you.
Speaker 1: Depending on how you identify, I mean, depending on how
Speaker 1: you identify in terms of Katie Perry teenage dream. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean, talk about that enough.
Speaker 2: How Katie fully liked it away with Sophomore Slumpness and
Speaker 2: was like, this is one of the great pop.
Speaker 1: Albums Breakaway, break Away. I mean, it's when you come
Speaker 1: in galvanized bah yep. So basically like it's when you
Speaker 1: solidify whether you're a thing or not, and like, am
Speaker 1: I going to And it also sort of says I'm
Speaker 1: a pop star who reinvents.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, stripped, stripped my everything.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So this is like where you say I'm
Speaker 1: sort of engaging in being engaging in my own brand
Speaker 1: in this way, or I'm a reinventress. And it's basically
Speaker 1: where you're saying if you're worth yourself, because with a
Speaker 1: debut album, you can spend pretty much an entire lifetime
Speaker 1: creating it, you know what I mean, and we don't
Speaker 1: know about it, whereas the sophomore album usually comes like
Speaker 1: two years later and there's an expectation on it that
Speaker 1: was not there for a debut album, and also you
Speaker 1: probably had to do it in a shorter amount of time.
Speaker 1: And I think that what Olivia Rodrigo has delivered here
Speaker 1: is the promise of the premise with her, which is
Speaker 1: that she is this girl she's this gen z callback.
Speaker 1: I mean, this album could literally be like the Clueless soundtrack.
Speaker 1: It could be the Ten Things I Hate About You soundtrack.
Speaker 1: It could be and she stays reference while also being
Speaker 1: reverential and also her own thing. I don't think the
Speaker 1: album is perfect, but I will say I think it's
Speaker 1: like a nine out of ten. I think if she
Speaker 1: ever dips into mimicry a little too far, I'm over
Speaker 1: the song. But what we have here is an excellent
Speaker 1: sophomore album. Some of the stuff that she's getting into
Speaker 1: here is just like really beyond her years Lyrically, She's
Speaker 1: an incredible singer and musician. I think it was the
Speaker 1: right choice to dig in with this co writer Daniel Nigro.
Speaker 1: I think that you really can tell it's a focused
Speaker 1: vision and I'd love to get into the tracks. But
Speaker 1: what's your take on the album as a whole.
Speaker 2: I think she has broken a mold that I think
Speaker 2: no one really had a problem with. But now I'm
Speaker 2: realizing it's kind of exhausting what these girls have to
Speaker 2: go through. Where she was like, I'm gonna do my
Speaker 2: second album, I'm gonna like double down on like this
Speaker 2: one genre funnel that I had on the first and
Speaker 2: I'm going to say fuck it to like the concept
Speaker 2: of eras, you know what I mean. It's like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to stick to the same I'm going to stick
Speaker 2: to purple still, I'm gonna like it's gonna be four letters.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's hard to say if this is a
Speaker 2: continuation of Sour or if it's its own thing. And
Speaker 2: I feel like it's very much she doesn't care about that.
Speaker 2: She's not playing the game the way that like the
Speaker 2: girls have been like forced to play it in a way,
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean. And the vocals
Speaker 2: are's just very agile vocally, and it does dip into mimicry.
Speaker 2: I think with one specific song that you and I
Speaker 2: were talking about a couple of days ago, Yeah, with
Speaker 2: Lacy where you I didn't really make the connection, but
Speaker 2: it is giving Lord.
Speaker 1: I thought it was Lord. I thought I actually thought
Speaker 1: I accidentally was on skip or like you know, when
Speaker 1: Spotify will be like this is music you'll like if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this. For some reason, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: how when did this switch over to Lord? And then
Speaker 1: I saw it was her, and I was a little
Speaker 1: surprised to feel like it was so lord just because
Speaker 1: she whether or not she deserved to get in trouble
Speaker 1: for it. On the last album, she did get in
Speaker 1: trouble for the sound a likeness, but so I was
Speaker 1: surprised they weren't a little bit more careful about that,
Speaker 1: especially on that song. But really it's only that song,
Speaker 1: like the rest of it, Like I forgive the young
Speaker 1: girl pop girly generation for the way that they sing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because like it's just it's
Speaker 1: a style. It's like when Mariah and Whitney came out
Speaker 1: and everyone was singing like that. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we've seen this before. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: drag or knock the girls for no doing that thing
Speaker 1: where they put a lisp on an s because they
Speaker 1: makes it seem like they're sounding more Indian smart.
Speaker 2: But Olivia, it's it's very actually smart challenge. She's like
Speaker 2: putting on glasses in her vocals. But m Olivia is
Speaker 2: one of the girls out here though who she can't
Speaker 2: give you quiet Billie Eilish that bedroom thing. But then
Speaker 2: I think she is one of the girls out there
Speaker 2: who's like bringing us back to screaming, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 2: like hitting you with it with a loud, big vocal,
Speaker 2: and I kind of like that we could possibly go
Speaker 2: back to that direction at some point.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love the way she uses her voice and
Speaker 1: this is the difference. So she's two things. She's a
Speaker 1: great singer and she's a great recording artist. Like the
Speaker 1: way that she uses her voice in Bad Idea right,
Speaker 1: so fun you wouldn't really even know this is like
Speaker 1: probably one of the better singers of her generation, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just like I'm giving you this,
Speaker 1: and you know she's singing down on Vampire and so
Speaker 1: much of this is so well sung and well articulated,
Speaker 1: and her voice carries emotion so well. But I love
Speaker 1: the way she's produced. I love the way she's her
Speaker 1: voice is layered. I really like how confident she is
Speaker 1: in just being so soft on the mic as well
Speaker 1: as being really loud. She this album, I think, uses
Speaker 1: her instrument in a way that is even more full.
Speaker 1: And I would say that Guts feels bigger than Sour,
Speaker 1: which of course had some really big moments, but this
Speaker 1: feels like the big moments are bigger and the small moments.
Speaker 1: What I really like about this album and what I
Speaker 1: looked for from the first album was it's got much
Speaker 1: more perspective, Like whereas I felt that first album was
Speaker 1: about heart, a relationship or a situation and about an emotion,
Speaker 1: this I feel is much more holistic in terms of
Speaker 1: who she is, and I think I would consider this
Speaker 1: a real follow up to Sour. I almost feel like
Speaker 1: that's why it's called Guts, and like the way that
Speaker 1: they're stylized. Similarly, I feel like this is like part
Speaker 1: two of an artist's you know, mission statement thus far,
Speaker 1: which is like, I'm a grow in this world, growing up,
Speaker 1: I'm becoming a woman. I've been through hard star off
Speaker 1: and I know I'll go through hard stuff and I'm
Speaker 1: unabashedly emotional. And there's something really cool about that in
Speaker 1: terms of the genre that she's chosen to express that,
Speaker 1: because it does feel like it's perfectly a messed with
Speaker 1: like what's stylistically and anesthetically trending right now. It just
Speaker 1: feels like she is the voice of this generation, maybe
Speaker 1: even like in a different shade of the way Billy is.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying totally totally.
Speaker 2: I think that the bookends of this album first and
Speaker 2: last track are the thesis.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like mm hmm.
Speaker 2: All American bitch, we can we can do a track
Speaker 2: by track All American Bitch, I think is the perfect
Speaker 2: sort of and that's the very ten Things I Hate
Speaker 2: About You soundtrack. It's like, yeah, it's like sunshine on
Speaker 2: the window and then it goes into like a full
Speaker 2: fucking rocker, yeah, rock thing. What am I saying? But
Speaker 2: you do that shot of like two Things I Hate
Speaker 2: About You where it's like that crane shot from like
Speaker 2: the outside the house and then it like goes in
Speaker 2: on Julia styles.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think that that is, first of all, love that
Speaker 2: she is like every twenty year old girl out there
Speaker 2: reading Joan Diddy and going all American bitch. Wow, I'm
Speaker 2: gonnae that. Like, I just think that is such a
Speaker 2: perfect song of the ending of that song so good,
Speaker 2: like I'm grateful all that time.
Speaker 1: It's a great opener, it launches you in. She released
Speaker 1: a live performance of it, which is great. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's like, I love how committed she is to all
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean, Like what I
Speaker 1: really appreciate her is it really feels like it's about
Speaker 1: the music. Yes, I don't feel like I'm being forced
Speaker 1: a personality, you know what I mean. And that's not
Speaker 1: a knock on her personality. I think she seems cool,
Speaker 1: and I think she seems really smart and talented. But
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, even in the press that
Speaker 1: she's done, she's obviously really smart because she's completely been
Speaker 1: able to navigate all these traps that are being said
Speaker 1: for her, which are for her to talk badly about
Speaker 1: Taylor and for her to you know, comment on certain
Speaker 1: situations that could then be sensationalized. And it is a
Speaker 1: credit to her and you know, the people around her
Speaker 1: that she is not becoming that narrative because she has
Speaker 1: so clearly written a song about that and yet will
Speaker 1: not fall victim to the media sensationalizing that can happen.
Speaker 1: And of course I'm talking about the Grudge, which you know,
Speaker 1: it's written so specifically that we know what this is
Speaker 1: talking about. But also I listened to it again with
Speaker 1: the mentality of but is this universal? Could an argument
Speaker 1: be made that this is not about that relationship? And
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. I think that we're all listening
Speaker 1: to it with a certain lens, like is she responding
Speaker 1: to the fact that Taylor, you know, as a result
Speaker 1: of you know, alleged mimicry on Deja Vu and One
Speaker 1: Step Forward, Three Steps Back on the last album, got
Speaker 1: songwriting credit for her and Antonov on those tracks. Like,
Speaker 1: is it that disappointment that's being funneled into that song?
Speaker 1: I think yes, But the song is very beautifully about
Speaker 1: being let down and I thought about the people who
Speaker 1: have let me down in my life, and every word
Speaker 1: of that song spoke to that and the specific, you know,
Speaker 1: feeling of not being able to understand someone's motivations and
Speaker 1: not being able to understand when someone has acted with
Speaker 1: cruelty towards you. There's something really universal about that song
Speaker 1: that that I think she needs to be given more
Speaker 1: credit for totally.
Speaker 2: And I think the only layer of specificity that she
Speaker 2: puts on top of that is that it's clearly about
Speaker 2: a mentor figure, and then people make the lead to
Speaker 2: tailor and she knows. She's very aware of that, I think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right, it is very Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: do a close read on the lyrics, you're like, well,
Speaker 2: this is just about personal disappointment, and it could be romantic,
Speaker 2: it could be this, it could be that. But I
Speaker 2: think I can't specifically quote a lyric, but I feel
Speaker 2: like she says something to the like I looked up
Speaker 2: to you or.
Speaker 1: Something, Yeah, you have everything.
Speaker 2: That kind of is the biggest giveaway. But also when
Speaker 2: you're disappointed like that, when you don't understand someone's intentions
Speaker 2: or motivations for something that's a cognitive thing you go to,
Speaker 2: It's like, you have everything, why do you want something
Speaker 2: from me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I felt this way, and that was part of
Speaker 1: the realisten I did to it. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the people in my life that I looked up to
Speaker 1: and then showed me who they really were, Like, does
Speaker 1: this work? It? Does? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of girls that age,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people in general are going to
Speaker 1: really identify, especially people who are, you know, learning to
Speaker 1: deal with new success, learning to deal with new situations,
Speaker 1: learning to do with new influences, learning to deal with
Speaker 1: what it means when someone finally sees you and then
Speaker 1: you can really see them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if I'm in high school right now, in
Speaker 2: this element, oh yeah, like it's over for sure, Like
Speaker 2: this is my entire personality.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's fostering a connection with her fans that
Speaker 1: is going to be forever. Like I think this album
Speaker 1: solidifies her for sure.
Speaker 2: Totally love Bad Idea Well, no, so what she doesn't
Speaker 2: love All American Bitch and Bad Idea Right is like
Speaker 2: even though those are like talkie songs or something, it's
Speaker 2: like on Bad Idea Right, it's like on the Last
Speaker 2: Seeing You Tonight, like yeah, really sends it in the
Speaker 2: right way. And then at the end of All American Bitch,
Speaker 2: I know my place. I know my place like yeah,
Speaker 2: so like vocally like.
Speaker 1: She's an actress.
Speaker 2: She's an actress. She's an actress. That Idea right is
Speaker 2: pure like performance, it's pure, like I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: like the line read quote unquote on like but.
Speaker 1: I really can't remember when, but I really can't remember when.
Speaker 1: So good. It's really good. And you know, I just
Speaker 1: feel like they were in the booth and getting these
Speaker 1: takes and being like yes, yes, yes, you know, like
Speaker 1: she's she scores again and again, and I will say,
Speaker 1: you know where she really shines for me. And I'm
Speaker 1: super susceptible to this shit because you know, the Pisces rising,
Speaker 1: Pisces cancer moon is gonna jump out emotional girl the
Speaker 1: house down, but when she goes to ballad Town, I
Speaker 1: am I'm really with her. And it's not just that,
Speaker 1: but like the song Logical, the song Making the Bed,
Speaker 1: that area of the album. I just really, really really
Speaker 1: was impressed by her specificity and her perspective and how
Speaker 1: much she's willing to share, because that's another area that
Speaker 1: I was wondering if we'd get into. Is it's like
Speaker 1: this idea of when you're at that age and really
Speaker 1: at any age where you've been through like a threshold,
Speaker 1: like where you've had like a watershed moment, there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of new people surrounding you, and she talks and
Speaker 1: making the Bed about how like she looks around and
Speaker 1: doesn't recognized the situations she's in, doesn't like it feels
Speaker 1: like she's like, you know, numbing herself out with like
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol. And by the way, she is so twenty,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like not to
Speaker 1: say that there's anything negative or nefarious about that, but
Speaker 1: like she has had the world place at her feet.
Speaker 2: She probably saw Dick's the musical and she was a demon,
Speaker 2: became a demon.
Speaker 1: Just this girl is really susceptible to grooming to grooming
Speaker 1: and please Dear God know that we're kidding, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying. It's like she says in the in the
Speaker 1: last song Teenage Dream, like when am I gonna stop
Speaker 1: being wise beyond my years and just be wise? Like
Speaker 1: I guess the thing is like, it is really impressive
Speaker 1: that she's able to articulate these things so young, So
Speaker 1: like she is quote unquote wise beyond her years, and
Speaker 1: I think that like she's got a point there where
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, just accept me for who
Speaker 1: I am. But the fact is, like it is impressive
Speaker 1: that she's able to get this across so cogently and
Speaker 1: so so musically appealing at the same time.
Speaker 2: But you know what she's gonna write. She's gonna right
Speaker 2: from the other side of that thought when she's like
Speaker 2: in her thirties and she's gonna be like, oh, like
Speaker 2: I this is the moment in song of when you
Speaker 2: realize that you're like, quote unquote like older. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: like that that's the moment that is like the tea
Speaker 2: right now for us.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, well it's happening with Taylor Swift. She
Speaker 1: literally did it. That's what antihero is. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, It's like that's what nothing new is or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so much of that. Like the sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm everybody is a sexy baby and I'm
Speaker 1: a monster on the hill is only a line young
Speaker 1: when you feel like they're gonna toss you out of
Speaker 1: the way, and there has to be something to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen it be a narrative in Taylor's
Speaker 1: stuff now for the last few years. Like she even
Speaker 1: gets into it in the Miss Americana documentary about like yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, what's gonna happen when they're done with you?
Speaker 1: I believe the way she phrased it was how much
Speaker 1: longer I'll be tolerated?
Speaker 2: Which is a lot to think about me. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I had a dream about Taylor. I had a dream
Speaker 2: that like we were like backstage somewhere and then she
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, well, I don't really know what my
Speaker 2: life is going to be after this tour, Like she
Speaker 2: was like, wait, this is so uninteresting.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. She was opening up to you in
Speaker 1: the dream fun way.
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, like after this, like I don't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck I'm doing, which is like not
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what that is? What that's your subconscious
Speaker 1: asking that question about yourself totally? What am I going
Speaker 1: to do after Aerostours done? Exactly? What is your next era?
Speaker 2: Dreams are about replacement, sublimation, something standing in for another thing. Absolutely, hmmm, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Quina Quina. I would say another one of my favorite
Speaker 2: songs is Love is Embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I fucking I love embarrassing. Her performance on Love is embarrassing.
Speaker 1: That like bizarre, like choice fer It's very ferky, it's weird.
Speaker 1: I love it. I My thing is I don't think
Speaker 1: she can be weird enough. I want to hear all
Speaker 1: that weird shit because that is what makes an icon.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean? Like yeah, yeah, she's,
Speaker 1: like I said, referential yet reverential. And I would say
Speaker 1: anything she can do to dig into something no one
Speaker 1: else would do is where she's gonna shine, because it's
Speaker 1: far and few between those moments on this album where
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this sounds like Lord, but they are there,
Speaker 1: and I feel like she so has her own identity
Speaker 1: and her own musical identity and her own thing, so
Speaker 1: she should just keep going.
Speaker 2: We don't know if that's like a label thing though, right,
Speaker 2: if they're like, we want a song that sounds like blank,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: What I'll say is I would actually I would imagine
Speaker 1: the label is pretty hands off musically, but probably in
Speaker 1: her shit aesthetically and totally right. But I would imagine
Speaker 1: they care a lot more about the way things are
Speaker 1: marketed than the way things sound, because they're not experts
Speaker 1: in that sure.
Speaker 2: But then it it's funny because to think about Taylor,
Speaker 2: I feel like with the nineteen eighty nine it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you have a song that sounds like him and I
Speaker 2: wish you would, and you have a song that sounds
Speaker 2: like Lana in the streams and then lo and behold
Speaker 2: like they're in the squad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's like the Taylor move. But I feel like
Speaker 2: with Olliviate's like, I'm gonna write a song that sounds
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna sound like Billy here and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: sound like Lord there, and the fact that they're not
Speaker 2: like Buddy Buddy makes it more susceptible to like you're
Speaker 2: cribbing a little, And that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, But I would say like, on first listen to
Speaker 1: the album, I was so thrown by Lacy I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: really sounds like lord huh uh huh. So then I
Speaker 1: thought it was a bigger issue with the album than
Speaker 1: it ended up being because I listened to it again
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she really doesn't need to do that.
Speaker 1: Sound like that many other people too much, like not
Speaker 1: more than a there's a million other pop girls coming up,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like because again I have the
Speaker 1: thing happen where it's like I like a certain song, right,
Speaker 1: and then it'll give me ten different artists. All the
Speaker 1: girls sound the same. They all sound the same, And
Speaker 1: the fact is that is so much less a problem
Speaker 1: with Olivia Rodrigo than everyone else. But because she is
Speaker 1: so much more public and because she is that girl, right,
Speaker 1: she's gonna get picked on it. But the truth is,
Speaker 1: had she not been in interviews saying yes, Deja Vu
Speaker 1: was really inspired by Taylor Swift's Cruel Summer, Like, had
Speaker 1: she not been like so obvious in the one step
Speaker 1: soarwarth three Steps Back, I mean that's literally the same
Speaker 1: chord and manner of playing as the other song, like
Speaker 1: she wouldn't be you know.
Speaker 2: That wasn't quite the same battle as Deja Vu was
Speaker 2: because with one step word with that song, it was like,
Speaker 2: oh no, this is a sample from New Year's Dead. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and like that was like not as contentious I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're right. It's like she in her like
Speaker 2: debut era, rookie move, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 2: was like, yes, I am inspired by these people, and
Speaker 2: then that kind of left her open to.
Speaker 1: These yeah things, because in my opinion, Taylor and Jack
Speaker 1: have no right having writing credit on Deja Vu, because
Speaker 1: then go through all the other girls of that generation
Speaker 1: and pick out the ways in which they've been inspired
Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift and take writing credit on all of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's just, yeah, that is ridiculous to me,
Speaker 1: and I felt was to prove a point in a
Speaker 1: way that would really hurt me if I was Olivia,
Speaker 1: Like I completely understand that.
Speaker 2: As an eighteen year old at the time.
Speaker 1: Especially as someone who has said this is my hero, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was cool, and I'll just say
Speaker 1: that the other song, yeah, literally, right, but deja Vu,
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say something else. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Chapel Road does backing vocals on some of these songs.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, Like I think it's in the if you
Speaker 2: look at the like the personnel or whatever. In like
Speaker 2: write ups, it's been like she's enlisted people kind of
Speaker 2: like contemporaries or whatever, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: Like Chapel Roone like does a lot of backing stuff
Speaker 2: on the album on guts Oh amazing. I love Olivia
Speaker 2: sees it. She's like you for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I watched the live performance
Speaker 1: of Kaleidoscope last night. Chapel Roone released a live performance
Speaker 1: of Kaleidoscope. She is so the next one, and I
Speaker 1: really feel like everyone needs to if you haven't already
Speaker 1: turned your attention, turn your attention. She should be up
Speaker 1: talk about like best new artists, like that should be
Speaker 1: a name in the conversation, especially with fifteen thousand nominees
Speaker 1: like this girl. I don't know when exactly her album
Speaker 1: comes out. Is there a day for it?
Speaker 2: Is September twenty second?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's coming yep. And she's the major.
Speaker 1: And also if you've seen her show live in the
Speaker 1: past like six seven, eight months, because she was touring,
Speaker 1: like you know that some of the new music that
Speaker 1: she's done in the show that's still coming is really
Speaker 1: really good. She is an amazing ballad called Coffee that's
Speaker 1: not out yet, but I mean every single single that
Speaker 1: she has released, I've been like, oh my god. Not
Speaker 1: only am I excited, but I remember this from the show.
Speaker 2: Like every song that never happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, every song has full memorability and identity and value
Speaker 1: in that way where I just know this debut album
Speaker 1: is gonna give, give, give, give, give, give, give, give, Give,
Speaker 1: He's gonna give the give.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Rise and Fallow the Midwest Princess Love.
Speaker 2: She's so her own thing. I feel it's like she's
Speaker 2: just doing tiktoks from her from her room. Yeah, not
Speaker 2: that that's like, you know, unique to her and like
Speaker 2: other pop girls aren't doing that, but it's like she
Speaker 2: there's something very She's a real one.
Speaker 1: There is an extremely old soul there, which is really
Speaker 1: exciting because she's also young and stupid. But this is
Speaker 1: why I described to her when I left the concert
Speaker 1: as Annie Lennox meets Kesha, because there is a love,
Speaker 1: that spirit in there that is connected to this instrument,
Speaker 1: which is so incredible. But there is there is a
Speaker 1: real frivolousness, but it's yet it's still really thought out
Speaker 1: and targeted, like it it is a pop star creation,
Speaker 1: but it's also self aware and it's fun, but it's
Speaker 1: also soulful and that is really exciting.
Speaker 2: You and I are kind of opposites in this way
Speaker 2: where you're a balad girl and I'm not so. But
Speaker 2: even on Casual, I'm like, ooh, this is such a
Speaker 2: lovely little mood. Would you call it casual?
Speaker 1: Oh? Strip it down? It like is? I mean, I
Speaker 1: would call it mid tempo, but like, strip it down?
Speaker 1: That's beautiful song. And that's the thing is this album
Speaker 1: when it comes out. I feel like when you think
Speaker 1: about the song, so she's released thus far, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna think ballid, but like it's gonna give balance. Because
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this. You gotta watch the live performance
Speaker 1: of Kaleidoscope. I Lovescope and then this song Coffee That's coming.
Speaker 1: I remember she sang it in the concert and I
Speaker 1: was pretty fresh at that point. Basically the lyrics were
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get coffee with you because
Speaker 1: it's not just coffee for me, Like it's so much more,
Speaker 1: like there's so many ways I can fall if I
Speaker 1: even give you a little bit, and so she just
Speaker 1: plays with this idea. I remember afterwards, I like turned
Speaker 1: around to everyone around me, strangers. I was there with
Speaker 1: Sudie and Matthew Vaughan, who was my producer for my special,
Speaker 1: who introduced me to her a straight man. He was like,
Speaker 1: you got to check out chaverone. Man, she's looking sick.
Speaker 1: He had been sincere a billion times. And I was
Speaker 1: like turning around to everyone and being like fuck and
Speaker 1: everyone was like, yeah, like this is the real thing.
Speaker 1: That's why I compare it to early Gaga is because
Speaker 1: there was a palpable excitement that was like literally on
Speaker 1: everyone's skin. I mean people were like, it's a movement
Speaker 1: out a moment.
Speaker 2: You are not the first person that I've talked to.
Speaker 2: It was like I went to her show in this
Speaker 2: city and it was giving early Gaga and it was
Speaker 2: like Matt Rogers. My sister said the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, And you know, I don't send you a
Speaker 1: lot of music because I'm like, I assume you've already
Speaker 1: like heard it, or like it's someone that's like it's
Speaker 1: like when I sent you, who was I like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like sixteen years after. I'm like, oh my god, FK.
Speaker 1: Twigs and you were like, you're the dumbest person in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course no, but like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't send you a lot.
Speaker 2: I was like, Nah, she's great, and she's she's she
Speaker 2: she's been around since like twenty twelve, like j's a bit,
Speaker 2: she's been here.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It wasn't part of my landscape. But
Speaker 1: Chapel I was like, I have to send this to
Speaker 1: Bow and I was like, I don't think.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you did. Wait a minute, speaking of
Speaker 2: other culture, that Math was ahead of Sudy and I
Speaker 2: saw Shucked on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Oh did you have the best time? I adored it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a blest. I just go this.
Speaker 2: I want this on Broadway times. Give me a hundred
Speaker 2: of these over like existing ip. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, was Alex in it? Alex was in it?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. They were sat and studying me. The
Speaker 2: observation like if you like put in earplugs or if
Speaker 2: you like put the whole show on you, if everybody
Speaker 2: on mute challenged, but like Alex was still singing, like
Speaker 2: it's just so effortless. Okay, so like podcasts our individual medium.
Speaker 2: But study was just doing this like like like just
Speaker 2: opening the mouth.
Speaker 1: No, like no effort.
Speaker 2: It's literally effortless coming from Alex Newell and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. Independently Owned was a triumph. That was
Speaker 2: a twenty second applause.
Speaker 1: Oh there was a mid song standing ovation when I
Speaker 1: was there. Wow, Wow, it was a mid song standing ovation.
Speaker 1: Or it was like wild. The energy was cray Z
Speaker 1: that whole cast, to say nothing of the rest of
Speaker 1: the music. Like the musicmus was great. Shout out Shane McAnally,
Speaker 1: Gray Henson, Yeah, who wrote the music. It was a
Speaker 1: big time country music songwriter. And and he's not the
Speaker 1: only one. So I want to make sure I say
Speaker 1: his partner's name in this because she's also made Oh yes, Oh,
Speaker 1: Brandy Clark. Brandy Clark and Shane McAnally, shout out who
Speaker 1: wrote the music. This music was great. The book Robert Horn.
Speaker 1: Robert Horn just it was such a blast to watch.
Speaker 1: It was so dumb and silly and just fun.
Speaker 2: The direction to Jack O'Brien, Oh, Scott passed seet designer.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. I know that guy, but I just
Speaker 2: I just thought the whole cast, all the cast like
Speaker 2: such precise comedic performance. Yeah, in a way that in
Speaker 2: a way that kind of like and I don't mean
Speaker 2: this in the pejority of sense, but it's like in
Speaker 2: a way that kind of like transcends like Broadway comedy,
Speaker 2: Broadway humor quote unquote, which we love, but this was
Speaker 2: this was just pure like the dad jokes of course,
Speaker 2: and me you laugh at how corny they are lol,
Speaker 2: so to speak, but there are like genuine moments of like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I haven't laughed this much of a show.
Speaker 2: And what Sudie was pointing out was you get all
Speaker 2: the fucking dads in the audience howling along with the
Speaker 2: moms and the kids, and like the TikTok influencers who
Speaker 2: are like sitting next to.
Speaker 1: You, like, yeah, it's a big old hit.
Speaker 2: It's a big hit that like kind of invites everybody
Speaker 2: to like just have a good time. And that's so weird,
Speaker 2: that's so rare these days. But everyone great Henson, Ashley
Speaker 2: Kelly who I met, she was so lovely. Andrew Durant,
Speaker 2: who's great. John Bellman was the Gordy, he was such
Speaker 2: a good villain turned like oh yeah, redeemed hero or
Speaker 2: whatever in the end like that, it's just a lovely,
Speaker 2: lovely time. And I really thought the marketing was very
Speaker 2: effective because I think like, once you know, you know,
Speaker 2: like when New York saw like these ads go up
Speaker 2: on the train, we were like, what the fuck is this? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think like it kind of makes you go
Speaker 2: in blind and like have your expectations be like pretty
Speaker 2: vague or nonexistent. And then the way they did this
Speaker 2: was perfect because I went in being like I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm about to see, and then it starts off.
Speaker 2: It's it's silly and frivolous and stupid and fun, and
Speaker 2: then the Cornstalk's like lift up and die and everyone's
Speaker 2: screaming on stage. I'm like, this is hilarious. I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy you guys both enjoyed it so much
Speaker 1: because it was I had the best time, and I
Speaker 1: agree it's a really it's one of those things where
Speaker 1: it's like if your parents are coming to.
Speaker 2: New York parents show, it's a great parent show.
Speaker 1: It would be a huge hit. And I know that,
Speaker 1: Like I think when it first came out, I was like, huh,
Speaker 1: like just like everyone else, and then it ended up
Speaker 1: being one of my faves that i'd seen. I also
Speaker 1: experienced some New culture and I mentioned it at the top,
Speaker 1: but I did go to see Bottoms. Huh. This was
Speaker 1: so fucking good and if you haven't gone to see it,
Speaker 1: you got it. I mean the way that gen Z
Speaker 1: was really fed by guts and also Bottoms lately like this,
Speaker 1: I ow and Rachel are such stars in it. Emma
Speaker 1: Seligman the director, she can and will do it all.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Like there is there is a style
Speaker 1: of the way that she shoots the dialogue. She shoots
Speaker 1: it very directly, like it's I can't even really, it's
Speaker 1: just all the comedy just sings, and it is fucking
Speaker 1: funny first and foremost, like of course it's it's about
Speaker 1: their central friendship. But I just loved a movie that
Speaker 1: just was like I just fucking laughed the entire time.
Speaker 1: It's so much more violent than you think it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: The entire cast like, and this movie is like Patrick
Speaker 1: Rodgers said it best. He said it was like Dada.
Speaker 1: It was like completely insane and unhinged, but in a
Speaker 1: way where every actor was so like uniform in the
Speaker 1: tone and knew exactly what they had to do, and
Speaker 1: the two of them are like big, fun characters, but
Speaker 1: they're also great anchors. The supporting characters are like really
Speaker 1: crazy and like everyone's got their own thing that's like
Speaker 1: very well defined, which is a compliment to the script
Speaker 1: in the direction, like you don't feel like any characters
Speaker 1: are thrown away. You know exactly who everyone is, and
Speaker 1: it really feels like just like almost like a surreal
Speaker 1: version of a high school comedy that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: because people have been like, oh, you know that looks
Speaker 1: like clueless or mean girls or easy a. No, this
Speaker 1: is like its own like fucked up world. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I thought that that was like a really signature thing
Speaker 1: on this movie. Is it It operates actually in like
Speaker 1: outer space, right, but in a setting that's like familiar
Speaker 1: enough to us that like in that way like references
Speaker 1: all those movies, Like, for example, the football players are
Speaker 1: never not in their football uniforms like they're in school,
Speaker 1: like in their football giche the whole time, Like and
Speaker 1: I just I can't say enough. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: to see bottoms.
Speaker 2: And it's so like just from what I know and
Speaker 2: what I've heard, it's like so different from sugar Baby.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh that nuts when you know MM is
Speaker 2: gonna kill it. Completely different, Yeah, another data work Dix
Speaker 2: the Musical, And actually I'm having not seen Bottoms. I
Speaker 2: don't really know what people mean when they say this,
Speaker 2: but I think a lot of like they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: these two movies coming out within what however, you know
Speaker 2: a month or two of each other, is like really
Speaker 2: great datast Oh yeah, that's a nice moment for cinema
Speaker 2: where that we might not have again for a long time.
Speaker 2: Where it's like these ridiculous movies where Dicks Dix people
Speaker 2: were like missing jokes because they were laughing in Toronto
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh but wait, you missed that one.
Speaker 1: It's like it's these psychotic two handers that made like
Speaker 1: with you can tell without much of a budget. But
Speaker 1: they have vision, you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 1: has a vision, it has a everyone's really unbrod with
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and I don't know, it was inspiring
Speaker 1: for me watching it. I was psyched. I just can't
Speaker 1: tay enough. I mean, I knew I would like it,
Speaker 1: but I was like blown away. And they're both such stars.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's really cool.
Speaker 2: They were lost cult guests first they became stars.
Speaker 1: Well, we wanted to have them on now, but we're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do that right now.
Speaker 2: But soon we can literally say on this podcast, and
Speaker 2: just so people are you know, jumping to anything. It's
Speaker 2: like Matt can talk about how much he enjoyed this
Speaker 2: movie having not been in it or been involved or
Speaker 2: written it. But we are obviously where that we cannot
Speaker 2: have the stars of the film come out come on
Speaker 2: the podcast.
Speaker 1: Right So, And I did actually want to loop at
Speaker 1: to the beginning of this conversation because I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about the Drew Barrymore thing, so like just
Speaker 1: to make a distinction what she is doing. And we
Speaker 1: love Drew Barrymore, we.
Speaker 2: Love We've talked about how much we love her on this.
Speaker 1: Oh she's a legend and well, but she is making
Speaker 1: a big mistake, like she what she's doing is wrong,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually really surprised that she's crossing.
Speaker 2: Picket lines and her arguments don't make any sense like
Speaker 2: her post. I'm like, a, this is not a public service.
Speaker 2: You're doing a talk A daytime talk show is not
Speaker 2: like this, mitzvah, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 2: not this like amazing thing you're doing to like help
Speaker 2: heal society's wounds at a time like this, So please
Speaker 2: don't like frame it as that. And secondly, she's like,
Speaker 2: don't forget I backed out of the you know, MTV
Speaker 2: Movie Awards at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Of a strike.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, well it's going to be And you're
Speaker 2: also going, well, then it is extremely meaningful and fucked
Speaker 2: up that you would like kind of say fuck it
Speaker 2: all after like a few months, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that what it is with Drew is
Speaker 1: she's bleeding heart. I think her intentions are good. I
Speaker 1: think she's thinking about her crew and her staff, and
Speaker 1: I think she's also thinking about the longevity of the
Speaker 1: show because I think that the show is very meaningful
Speaker 1: to her. And I think she's looking around and seeing,
Speaker 1: you know, series get canceled left and right, and I
Speaker 1: think she's in a really you know, when you're the
Speaker 1: lead of a daytime talk show like that, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. So I understand that it might not
Speaker 1: be an easy situation for her, but this decision should
Speaker 1: have been an easy one because you can't go out
Speaker 1: there and say, you know, we're in compliance, not talking
Speaker 1: about or promoting struck television shows and films when yours
Speaker 1: you want show and what we are, what we are
Speaker 1: showing here without any interim agreement or waiver or like
Speaker 1: any communication really with people that would advise her not
Speaker 1: to do this. Is what she's doing is this is
Speaker 1: the opposite of disruption in the industry, because what she's
Speaker 1: saying is I actually can do my show without my writers.
Speaker 1: And that is exactly the ideology that we are fighting against,
Speaker 1: because she is not attached to a studio or a
Speaker 1: system that is complying. She is simply just going back
Speaker 1: to work despite the fact that her writers aren't working,
Speaker 1: which is insulting and it is wrong.
Speaker 2: And it's not like she's like new to the business.
Speaker 1: No, And that makes it even more frustrating because another
Speaker 1: thing is, if she were concerned, she is certainly in
Speaker 1: a financial position to take care of her crew and
Speaker 1: her staff. And I'm not saying what anyone should do
Speaker 1: with their money. I'm not this is conjecture, really, but
Speaker 1: I mean, Kelly Clarkson is paying her staff, you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to compare them, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to put I'm just saying there is precedent for
Speaker 1: taking care of your staff, especially when you are Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore No, you know what I mean. Like, compare them.
Speaker 2: They're two huge daytime talk show hosts, and one is
Speaker 2: not crossing the picket line and the other is.
Speaker 1: I just know that there comes a certain amount of
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes different when you do this with women.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to do that. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: there is precedent for supporting your staff during this time
Speaker 1: that does not require that everyone cross a picket line now,
Speaker 1: especially now, and it's when these areas for what is
Speaker 1: acceptable and what is not acceptable should be really well
Speaker 1: defined and we should know better. For us to deliberately
Speaker 1: not know better and then try to excuse it publicly
Speaker 1: feels really oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And I feel like the how they're trying to control
Speaker 2: the narrative is also really strange because they kicked out
Speaker 2: two audience members who were just wearing pins. This is
Speaker 2: bad wearing pins, like barely even visible from the monitor.
Speaker 2: The screen, It's like, you can't the audience at home
Speaker 2: isn't going to clock it necessarily. So that's one.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: They said they were kicked out because of security concerns.
Speaker 2: It's and then Drew has to put out a statement
Speaker 2: saying that she was not or someone has to put
Speaker 2: out a statement from the show saying that she was
Speaker 2: not aware of this, and it's not relevant.
Speaker 1: Right, it shouldn't have gotten there. And I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, I had a lovely, wonderful time when I
Speaker 1: was on that show. I adored everyone that work there.
Speaker 1: It just feels like I wish that there was a
Speaker 1: little bit more consideration given to this decision because it
Speaker 1: is not the right thing. And I hate seeing people
Speaker 1: that otherwise are so beloved and have done the right
Speaker 1: thing and like so clearly have their heart in the
Speaker 1: right place make a big decision like this. That's wrong
Speaker 1: because you just know that she's getting like dragged all
Speaker 1: over and she doesn't not deserve it for this decision.
Speaker 1: It's just when she's a good person and is not
Speaker 1: someone who's like you know, not to name names, but
Speaker 1: like evil or actually deserving of the vitriol that they're getting,
Speaker 1: like or fucked up or part of a bad system,
Speaker 1: it sucks. I wish this hadn't happened. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to say that, like there's a distinction between
Speaker 1: like what's going on with Drew Barrymore and what's going
Speaker 1: on with like actors in Venice who have waivers and
Speaker 1: like Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson who have a waiver
Speaker 1: with SAG for a twenty four to be able to
Speaker 1: promote this movie and we will have them on the
Speaker 1: podcast and we're in compliance. So just try and understand
Speaker 1: before you react, because now it's getting to the point
Speaker 1: where it's like, do you actually have a reason to
Speaker 1: be upset or were you told you should be upset
Speaker 1: and so now you are like it just feels silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people are just informed by really whatever
Speaker 2: they're informed by, And I know that's what you're saying,
Speaker 2: but it's like that sometimes there is no like potting
Speaker 2: soil for it. It just kind of like shoots up
Speaker 2: like a weed. And you're like, I don't I don't
Speaker 2: have to. I understand. It's I guess at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the episode, I understand cognitively how these these waivers
Speaker 2: are strange and they're they're confusing and you don't know
Speaker 2: what to make them and you go, well, then what
Speaker 2: makes this strike effective? How can we be how can
Speaker 2: we when when this is like causing so much infighting,
Speaker 2: but that that is an outcome that the students are
Speaker 2: invested in for you, as in someone in the unions
Speaker 2: who is who is mischaracterizing something like this as scabbing, right.
Speaker 1: Haven't been bouncing your ass toabongos?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We all watched the video between Things in Toronto and
Speaker 2: it was just like, God, this is so pussy tight,
Speaker 2: like a nun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just have to say, I would go
Speaker 1: to met Gala in a roll. I can body every
Speaker 1: look and I can body every pose poetry the video
Speaker 1: is I love they look so unbelievable like and also
Speaker 1: just that last final heighten until like Cardi and that
Speaker 1: like Tricksie Mattel by way of Riba mac entire Wig.
Speaker 1: I was so into it. They look amazing.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, but the product placement is like perfect.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not going to eat or drink any
Speaker 2: of that. But Carti sells the fuck out of it.
Speaker 2: She's enjoying whatever the pretzels chips I forgot. She's enjoying the.
Speaker 1: Nothing funnier to me than product placement. I love it
Speaker 1: lean in.
Speaker 2: The way she's putting these things in her mouth.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 2: Selling it. She's she is experiencing pleasure unlike any and like.
Speaker 1: History, anyone has ever known. Anyone is experiencing pleasure unlike
Speaker 1: anyone has ever known. That's actually a rule of culture
Speaker 1: number thirty one.
Speaker 2: Cardi B is experiencing pleasure like anyone has ever known.
Speaker 1: Wow, I have to say, it's been on repeat. But like,
Speaker 1: was it you who told me that? Like the internet
Speaker 1: was split on it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Are there?
Speaker 1: Like what are they? What's their point? I think their
Speaker 1: point is.
Speaker 2: It's it's this is basically the same as wop and
Speaker 2: you go, yeah, and what's the problem with that?
Speaker 1: And wop?
Speaker 2: It was clearly like a cod like early lockdown video,
Speaker 2: where like they were like not shooting, they were like
Speaker 2: far apart or whatever they're they're scissoring. Now are you happy?
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't understand when something is a
Speaker 1: grand slam. Let's use a baseball analogy, shall we. If
Speaker 1: you have one home run and then there's another home run,
Speaker 1: you just hit two home runs.
Speaker 2: No one's mad.
Speaker 1: Would you Are you bored because of the second home run?
Speaker 1: Or are you cheering again? Boring people are bored? Masistor right,
Speaker 1: massis stor rate, Hey bitch, how many letters in devoured
Speaker 1: eight Girl, What's more? Plus four eight girl? What time
Speaker 1: is my favorite show? On eight o'clock? Thank you? Thank you?
Speaker 1: At e o clock. Oh, I wanted to say I
Speaker 1: went to the Jonah's Brothers concert not for me, and
Speaker 1: I got a lot of hate because I guess we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be on Sophie Turners quote unquote side.
Speaker 2: Can I just say, we don't know these people. We
Speaker 2: don't know these people. Although were you so were you
Speaker 2: at the show where Joe was like, if it's not
Speaker 2: from these lips, don't believe it.
Speaker 1: First of all, if he said that, I didn't hear it,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't know or care the.
Speaker 2: Rumor that I heard, and not that I know or
Speaker 2: carry either, but the rumor that I heard, and someone
Speaker 2: like quot quot beeted it in a really funny way.
Speaker 2: But that the headline is like, allegedly Joe had like
Speaker 2: ring camera footage of Sophie saying things on audio and
Speaker 2: like caught her saying something or doing something with someone
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Often I didn't hear it about the ring camera of
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 2: So then someone quoted that and went and quoted that
Speaker 2: tweet and went she's been stealing.
Speaker 1: Amazon packages all over the city. Oh my god, Sophie,
Speaker 1: Amazon package thief caught by ring light. I want that
Speaker 1: scandal so bad, like Ron's actress twenty seven caught in
Speaker 1: widespread Amazon theft package Ski packages. Just like Sofa Sansa's
Speaker 1: face on a ring.
Speaker 2: Light, like a gorgeous face.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a star. She was, like, she
Speaker 1: should be on the HBO show. She is girl. I
Speaker 1: know Koreana. I will say I think there were three
Speaker 1: songs I recognized, one of which was Benning up you baby.
Speaker 1: That's a class. They have such and I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say it, stupid little voices. Yeah, jealous I definitely shook
Speaker 1: my ass to that. I love jealousy the ocean, love that.
Speaker 1: And then I definitely was like, I'm a suck off oil.
Speaker 2: You had fun?
Speaker 1: I had fun. First of all, it's called five albums,
Speaker 1: one tour or something. It is so long, and they
Speaker 1: were doing their own little version of eras and I
Speaker 1: was just like, girl, we have to differentiate between the errors.
Speaker 1: That's what keeps the plot moving. Here. It feels very
Speaker 1: the same again and again again. But they are not
Speaker 1: my culture. They never were, they never will be. I
Speaker 1: have respect for what they do, and I honor any
Speaker 1: Joe Bros. Fans, but still haven't seen Camp Rock.
Speaker 2: I know what we talked about this how that that
Speaker 2: was just one microgeneration below us.
Speaker 1: Correct, and I think it may remain that way, although
Speaker 1: you never know. One of these days I might pop
Speaker 1: it on. Yeah, but I'm married to medicine wormholl right now.
Speaker 2: Oh get I need to get on your level.
Speaker 1: You have worked to do with morning show, so I
Speaker 1: have worked.
Speaker 2: To do with morning show. Thoughts on Salt Lake City,
Speaker 2: thoughts on Ronie thoughts.
Speaker 1: Great premiere of Salt Lake is back.
Speaker 2: Thank god? Oh that's back on tonight. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ken, not fucking wait, big night tonight eating I
Speaker 1: had Ronie actually put me to sleep this week, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: And what no one knows is that the Atlanta reunion
Speaker 1: at the last second was really giving.
Speaker 2: Gabe was Drew walked off? Is that what happened?
Speaker 1: She walked off, the walked back in, and then she
Speaker 1: sang her new song on stage two Ralph and it
Speaker 1: was so awkward but delicious, and it was it was something.
Speaker 2: More awkward than wh Nicki Minaj made Candace saying drive
Speaker 2: back it was more awkward than that. That was awkward
Speaker 2: because you're saying the entire song, Well, she's not a
Speaker 2: good she's not a seasoned performer. She knows not she
Speaker 2: would know not to do that.
Speaker 1: I would say her voice is good. But it was
Speaker 1: just like this man is really gonna sit here and
Speaker 1: like you're gonna sing this weird song just to a
Speaker 1: backing track. And the way she was like looking at
Speaker 1: him and pointing her finger in his face, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this is a lot. Anyway, the season was terrible.
Speaker 1: The reunion was great. And that's all I guess I
Speaker 1: have to say about that.
Speaker 2: I told you this off pod. I've done a season
Speaker 2: nine rewatch of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Oh, the best season.
Speaker 2: I just just just to get the foot lead up
Speaker 2: to who said that?
Speaker 1: Who had been saying that?
Speaker 2: Yep, oh you get that? And more, Oh you get
Speaker 2: Have you gotten to the reunion yet? I'm about to
Speaker 2: get to the READI but no, the whole season's excellent.
Speaker 2: I mean, like Phaedra, that's like the bomb in Padra's office,
Speaker 2: freaking frack, freakin' frack. And I mean yeah, like this
Speaker 2: show is a vibe and then you forget like this
Speaker 2: Fadra fucking left after this season, never to be seen again.
Speaker 2: Uti Ultimate Girl's strip.
Speaker 1: Wait until I know you see the reunion by the way,
Speaker 1: first ever four part reunion, because there was just so
Speaker 1: much going on, explosive, it was see I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I want you to really let me know when you
Speaker 1: are doing that so that I can be by by
Speaker 1: my phone.
Speaker 2: Yes, girl, when Atlanta's good, it's it's great. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's really bad.
Speaker 1: It's dreary when it's bad, but when it's great, it's
Speaker 1: one of the best.
Speaker 2: That's true for a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Really, I'm going to get into it. Actually, I have
Speaker 1: a good idea for me. I don't think Sony.
Speaker 2: I have one that is about something we talked about
Speaker 2: and it might shock you and people. But I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm leading with that before yours. That's so rude of me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, Well, everyone is on the edge
Speaker 1: of their seat.
Speaker 2: This is no Honey, This is I don't think Sony.
Speaker 2: This is where we take one minute to really go
Speaker 2: into a polemic, honey, about something in culture that we hate, despise.
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think Sony. As time
Speaker 2: starts now, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey, if you're sleeping on Married to Medicine.
Speaker 1: I said it years ago about Potomac, and I feel
Speaker 1: we got some people, some readers, some finalists and publicists
Speaker 1: and katies to go in that direction. I am saying
Speaker 1: it now from Married to Medicine. This is one of
Speaker 1: the best shows on Bravo. Some of these reunions, Andy Cohen,
Speaker 1: your best work. The real shit happens on Married to
Speaker 1: Medicine reunions. Doctor Jackie is an icon, Doctor Simone is
Speaker 1: an icon. Quad Web I am a super fay second
Speaker 1: to Miss Quad. We all have to be watching Married
Speaker 1: to Medicine. It returns very soon. And Phaedra Parks, I
Speaker 1: think started dating a doctor just so she could get
Speaker 1: on the show. I don't know if that's a real relationship.
Speaker 1: It feels convenient to me, but I don't care because
Speaker 1: we're gonna get phage three. I'm Married to Medicine in
Speaker 1: the cast, and remember all these women are Atlanta women,
Speaker 1: so they are naturally friends. What I love about the
Speaker 1: show is the relationships are real. The marriages are really
Speaker 1: crumbling and being rebuilt. We see real movement at reunions
Speaker 1: and in the show. These women are funny and they're professionals.
Speaker 1: I don't think so hone if you're a sleep and
Speaker 1: I'm Married to med.
Speaker 2: And that's one a minute. I have caught a couple
Speaker 2: episodes and I remember being intrigued, and now you've really
Speaker 2: sold it to me.
Speaker 1: You want to know what it is. The steaks are
Speaker 1: so high. It doesn't feel like a stupid show because
Speaker 1: the steaks are high because well, I mean, not only
Speaker 1: like are they real friendships, but like they're really really
Speaker 1: really committed to what they do and passionate about what
Speaker 1: they do. And it was a really fascinating season. I
Speaker 1: believe it was season eight when COVID was hitting, and
Speaker 1: also you know, like the Black Lives Matter protests were happening,
Speaker 1: and it was just like a really really engaged season
Speaker 1: for them, and that it's just like a really, really,
Speaker 1: really fun and good show. And I would say, if
Speaker 1: you're a fan of the Housewives stuff and you haven't
Speaker 1: engaged with Married to Medicine, you're going to get everything
Speaker 1: you want from a Housewives franchise and more with Married
Speaker 1: to Medicine.
Speaker 2: Love love that can't wait to watch.
Speaker 1: Ooh and now we were teased earlier. God, you ever
Speaker 1: look at your phone and you haven't looked at it
Speaker 1: for a while, and you see the amount of stuff
Speaker 1: and you're.
Speaker 2: Like, I know, I know, No, I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: think about it, Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's happening to me, and I'm overwhelmed. But
Speaker 1: right now, what we're gonna do is we're gonna turn
Speaker 1: to bone Yang and we're gonna say, bone Yang, are
Speaker 1: you ready to tell you? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: I am. Then that being the case, this is Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang's I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: Saying God damn in a song, I'm sick of it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it feels like a shortcut to like fill in
Speaker 2: some syllables. Olivia is doing it, Taylor is doing it,
Speaker 2: They've all done it for too long and night it
Speaker 2: always hits the ear a little wrong. I don't like
Speaker 2: when someone says god damn. Like the only time I've
Speaker 2: liked god damn in a song is Beyonce Flawless. Otherwise
Speaker 2: I think, now, why did you have to say that?
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it. It just
Speaker 2: sounds off right. What does Olivia say? In the on guts, oh,
Speaker 2: like a goddamn vampire. And I'm like, goddamn vampire. Like
Speaker 2: it feels like first pass, I was like, you could
Speaker 2: have found a better two syllable thing to put in there.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, not that I could do her job
Speaker 2: better than she can or Dan and igro, but I think,
Speaker 2: and I say, we got to cool it with the
Speaker 2: goddamns and songwriting these days. It's gotten to be too much.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. What about this, like a motherfucker vampire?
Speaker 1: Mo the fuck? Moll the fuck? I would like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand what's so? Are you religious?
Speaker 2: I'm not religious, but I don't like it when I
Speaker 2: just it's something something really doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 2: When I hear goddamn being used a little a little
Speaker 2: gratuitously in songs, goddamn offends you. I don't mind when
Speaker 2: someone says it in conversation or in dialogue or anything
Speaker 2: and speaks it. I just think it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a war. It's a goddamn fight in my life. And
Speaker 2: you start, I'm like, but you didn't have to say goddamn, Taylor,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I just think goddamn is
Speaker 2: like it is, like it's just filler. It's just lyrical
Speaker 2: filler in me.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question?
Speaker 2: And it's not just Olivia and Taylor, obviously, it's like
Speaker 2: every Obviously it's a lot of foolish word. It's a
Speaker 2: lot of people.
Speaker 1: Do you accept it in Flawless by Beyonce because it's
Speaker 1: its own thing like goddamn, God, damn, damn and like
Speaker 1: a filler, So you don't, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I must have reader's case, publicist, finalists who get
Speaker 2: who understand me. And if you don't, that's fine, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you do. But I I just I noticed that
Speaker 2: word a lot. And it's not because I'm religious or anything,
Speaker 2: but it is because I'm just like, we're really we're
Speaker 2: really doing this a lot. Just just just just notice,
Speaker 2: just notice anytime someone says god damn in a song,
Speaker 2: I just wait.
Speaker 1: I just think, hmm, did it need to be? Did
Speaker 1: it need to be?
Speaker 2: And and you got to think with Olivia, like when
Speaker 2: she was cursing on sour, I'm like, well, is she
Speaker 2: just doing this because it's like she can and she
Speaker 2: and it's shocking. And then I remember when what a
Speaker 2: moment was when Taylor started cursing in her songs. It
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, it's this, it's this thing where like
Speaker 2: it kind of grates against like the way these people
Speaker 2: have like recently developed in front of your eyes or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, am I making any sense?
Speaker 1: You're making sense. I just think that you always want
Speaker 1: to challenge the girls too.
Speaker 2: I'm not no, I'm and I'm this is not a now,
Speaker 2: not even.
Speaker 1: I get it, but like it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: It's like something that you hear that like irks you.
Speaker 1: I'm irked, did you hear? And I think it's in
Speaker 1: logical When Olivia was like, I can't do this, I
Speaker 1: can't do this, I can't get you off. I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like I said, I said.
Speaker 1: I had to say grew. I'm that one. I literally
Speaker 1: grew And I was like, and I haven't grewed in a.
Speaker 2: Law that's a or just grew.
Speaker 1: Ooh, it's totally very clear. Right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not even getting it on Zoom because it's like
Speaker 2: it's like suppressing.
Speaker 1: You're not getting it on zoo. You didn't get that.
Speaker 2: I can tell that it sounds beautiful because you were
Speaker 2: giving Alex Newell. You were going you were just giving
Speaker 2: a perfect tone, but the face was neutral. Oh hmmm.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well anyway, that's.
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Speaker 1: I can use the mic too to tell story. Goddamn vampire.
Speaker 2: See I just it sounds kind of like lame to me.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get put on a list when like you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's the it's Trump's second term or whatever.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, they're gonna ship us off far and they
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