1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: What's up? 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you Buck? 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: What is going on? I gotta tell you, Uh, forty 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: seven today hit the big hit hit four seven, and 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: it feels like kind of a nothing birthday, you know, 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: forty five was kind of big. I feel like fifties 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: is a huge one. Man. Seven What does that mean? 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: You just like just like a little baby, like, look 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: at you, forty seven? You even have to hit a 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: fifty number? Happy birthday? 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: Dog? 13 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: Like, what. 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Is it? What is it? We come on, we're growing okay, 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: so we're growing up. I don't buy into the hole 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: we got to have a big celebration when you're adults. Like, 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I just don't buy into that. 18 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: Well we got to have cake, right? Are we having cake? Well? 19 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Here was that was my wife brought that up. She said, 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: you do you want a cake then? Or do you 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: want just like this is the compromise. I'm willing to 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm willing to go here. I'm going to say, like 23 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: a little bunt cake, the little bunchy cake, what are 24 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: we doing? You mean? I'll tell you quick, I'll tell 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: you a quick birthday story, A quick birthday cake story. 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: So my favorite cake was yellow cake with the chocolates. 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah right, he's so basic. It's basic. It is basic. 28 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: Not gonna come. I'm not contend it's anything other than basic. Buck. 29 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: We're we're newly married. I want you know, she knows 30 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: I love that yellow cake with the with the frosting 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: on it. So she she makes it. I just have 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: a just a little bite and that's it. She kind of, 33 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, she thought that's kind of weird, like, I 34 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: know that's his favorite cake. He got a sweet tooth, 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: like he didn't eat much, so she didn't think anything 36 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: much of it. Then later on that night she goes 37 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: to have a bite and she realized she had made 38 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: the lemon cake with the instead of the yellow cake. 39 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything because it was a very 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: nice gesture. So just go go with it with the 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: lemon with the lemon cake doesn't hit the same as 42 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: the as just the yellow cake, so a. 43 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: Little different, not as much. 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: Look man, happy birthday, Like find a way to have 45 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: a sweet treat like I would hope that you would 46 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: endulge beyond just a little cupcake, minibunt cake, or whatever, 47 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: but I. 48 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Think we're gonna go with a bunch kick there. I'm 49 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to let you down on that one. This 50 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: is what we want to get into today. There's a 51 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: couple different topics before we get into our game of 52 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: the week in an interesting Thursday night game. But first 53 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: of all, Buck, I want you to give me your 54 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: thoughts on hard knocks with the AFC North. I haven't 55 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: seen the whole thing. I've seen a lot of clips 56 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: that have gotten posted, but just your takeaways, because what 57 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: I saw was pretty dang interesting. 58 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: It was pretty interesting, It's pretty compelling. You haven't lived 59 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: a life in the division for two teams. When we're 60 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: Baltimore then with Cleveland, you understand kind of like that 61 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: testiness that exists between those things. 62 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: For me, it was like my first full rate into 63 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: the deal. 64 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: Right to be in the Steelers meeting room and to 65 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 3: hear Mike tom It's one thing to think about how 66 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: you kind of perceive a coach to be. It's another 67 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 3: thing to see him run his meeting and to hear 68 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 3: him talk and share the points of Memphis. To see 69 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: John Harbaugh talk about the things that are important to 70 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: Baltimore and the Ravens as they established their culture. Same 71 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: thing with Zach Taylor and Kevin Stefanski. To me is fascinating. 72 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 3: And I watched it on my computer last night, and man, 73 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: I was on the edge of my seat just wanting 74 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: to get more of the engagement in those things. And 75 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: then the way that they embraced the competitiveness and the 76 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: combativeness of those rivalries. There's no shrinking like, oh, it's 77 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: a riper game. So look, guys, you know it's gonna 78 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: be physical. You know what it's going to be, and 79 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: you know by being in the division, our business is done. 80 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: And to me, it was just it was different. It 81 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: was different than what I've seen. 82 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: And so I can't wait for next week's episode to 83 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: come up because I am locked in now. I am 84 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: all about like just seeing how these teams and these 85 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: organizations go. And I'll see this. You weren't privy to 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: this because when you were in Baltimore. I will say, 87 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: I work for other organizations where like I, I was 88 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: always on Baltimore because we were envious of the success 89 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: that they had when it came to play, identification, player development, 90 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: all of those things. And so to get a little 91 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: nugget a little peak behind the curtain on how those 92 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: things are done. To me, it answers some of these 93 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: long hel questions that you might have had about the organization. 94 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one of the things that's fascinating is 95 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: you have the long tenured coaches, when you have Harbaugh 96 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: and you have Tomlin. So I think the clip that 97 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: I saw Tomlin, he was talking about Cincinnatian look that 98 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: that group's been there for a while, you know, Zach 99 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: Taylor and Joe Burrow and even Stefancy. He's been in 100 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: Cleveland for a little bit. And the one line I 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: heard from Tom was like, we know exactly what it is. 102 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: We know what they're gonna do. We know who we are, 103 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: They know who we are. We know who they are, 104 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: they know who they are. Like all these other divisions 105 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: where quarterbacks are changing, coaches are changing, there's just all 106 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: this you know, you know, turnover year after year after year. 107 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: I think in some ways it helps those two teams, 108 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: specifically the Ravens and the Steelers. They have each other 109 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: to push each other, and it's each and every year, 110 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: and it's not just in season, it's off season when 111 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you're trying to build your roster. 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a couple of things that stood out 113 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: to me because you talk about long tenured coaches, there 114 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 3: seemed to be a cadus in the rhythm that Mike 115 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: Tomlin and John Harbor had because they've been around for 116 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: a long time. There was a confidence that they spoke 117 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: with in terms of a certainty and knowing the other 118 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: team and how the other teams go about playing their 119 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: games and what they're built upon. It also to me 120 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: because we're about to hit the off season hiring cycle 121 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 3: and we chance in this see what a head coach 122 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: really does, because a lot of what we talk about 123 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: head coaching is what we see on game day, and 124 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: we project offensive coordinators to be head coaches without really 125 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: knowing how they run meetings, how they command the room, 126 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: and those things. 127 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: DJ an underrated aspect of being a head coach is 128 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: your ability to command the room, your ability to convey 129 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: the message with the level of confidence and certainty that 130 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: all all of the players believe in whatever it is 131 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: that you're selling to me. I think it's really important 132 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: from a communications standpoint that your head coach projects the 133 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: confidence the self for suredness that what I'm telling you 134 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: is a nugget of gold and if you follow me, 135 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: is going to play out. 136 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: I think it's understated, but you only get a chance 137 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: to see people in these environments when you have behind 138 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: the scenes access like hard Knock has provided us. 139 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a simple question. Is it possible 140 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: to have a tough team without a tough coach? 141 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: No, you can't. You can't. 142 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: And when I mean tough coach, I'm not talking about 143 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: the guy that may use harsh language in those things, 144 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 3: like because that to me. 145 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: Walsh is tough. Yeah, Like Andy Reid is tough. These 146 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: guys that everybody had, like these offensive, visionary guys, there's 147 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: also a toughness to those guys. 148 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that toughness is related to your 149 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: emotional control, your ability to understand when you need to 150 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 3: ratchet it up, when you need to dial it back, 151 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: how you handle adversity, losing, does your emotions, do your 152 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: emotions change? Do you have bad body language? Do you 153 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: pout and salt? To me, that's everything because ultimately, DJ 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: the team is a reflection of the coach, and so 155 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: if you have a tough, grizzled coach, the team is 156 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: gonna be tough and grizzled. And I was in the 157 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 3: middle of doing this thing, like looking at the Detroit 158 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: lines and looking at Dan Campbell and DJ realizing that he. 159 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: Started out four to nineteen. 160 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: They were fourign nineteen in Detroit and they're thirty one 161 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: and eight since then, And the little things that he 162 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: talked about and how he was unwavering in his belief 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: on what you had to do to turn around a culture. 164 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: To me, that's everything. And at a time where like 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: everyone we're. 166 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: Gonna talk about offensive coaches and all of that stuff, 167 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: I would just say, whether it's an offensive guy or 168 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: a defensive guy or whatever, the guy needs to be 169 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: tough minded. He needs to have a level of confidence, 170 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: and as he gets into the job, he needs to 171 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: be able to engage and interact with every side of 172 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: the team, offense, defense, special teams. He needs to have 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: his presence there. I don't think you can do the 174 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: thing where hey, man, I'm the offensive guy, you're the 175 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: defensive gaal will. 176 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: That you do your thing. 177 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: The head coach needs to be the head coach where 178 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: you manage the whole thing, even if. 179 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: You're the play call. Yeah. 180 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think McVeigh started off in LA by 181 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: having U gosho do we have with him again? Yeah, Oh, 182 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: it's right. He had Wade Phillips. So Wade Phillips is 183 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: basically the defense is yours. I'm gonna control the offense. 184 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: And they had some success, but they didn't get to 185 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: where they wanted to be until McVeigh kind of was 186 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: the overseer and ended up hiring people underneath him on 187 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: the defensive staff that he was a little more involved 188 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: with at that point in time. But I think that's 189 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: right to your point of that leader, that point man 190 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: the buck stops with may type leader, and that sounds 191 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: exactly like what you're seeing in that Hard Knock show. 192 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing more clip. Was there any 193 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: other anything else you learned that maybe we didn't know 194 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: from the outside. 195 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 3: Consistency and stability, and this will go to what we're 196 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: about to talk about. We may see eight to ten 197 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: jobs turnover. DJ teams that are successful are the ones 198 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: that hang with the plan and so like they don't 199 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: blink if it doesn't start out right, they continue to 200 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: stick with it. They understand the process, and they're willing 201 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: to live through some of the bad, some of the 202 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: rough patches. Let's just think about John Harper's had seasons, 203 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 3: multiple seasons where they haven't had winning years, whatever, but 204 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 3: they didn't pull the plug on the deal. 205 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: They continue to stay the course. 206 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh still is even though Mike Tomlin's never had a 207 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: non winning season. They've had some years that would lean 208 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: where they haven't been what they were. But those organizations, 209 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: I would say they're built the right way because they 210 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: have a level of stability where you continue to grow, 211 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: you continue to chart, you may tweak things, but you 212 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: have a foundation that is in play. That foundation has 213 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: led to a lot of success and you may have 214 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 3: up and down years, but everyone is kind of committed 215 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: to the plan in the process. 216 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: That's that's a great way to uh to describe that. 217 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's just a belief. It's a belief, and 218 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: belief means no matter what else is around you, what 219 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: other swirling pieces of information or or results don't matter. 220 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: It's just you. We have a belief and a faith 221 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: and we're going to stay with the mission. 222 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 223 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: And eventually that thing ends up lining up, which is 224 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell to a t. Which you know, if we're 225 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: gonna talk about team building, I do want to get 226 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: to one other topic here before we, uh we end 227 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: up hitting on a couple of these games, I'm gonna 228 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: butcher this name. So my apologies to Matt ahead of 229 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: time here, Matt verderame gosh might be right, might be 230 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: off there? From from si Now wrote an article that 231 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: posed the question, should the Cincinnati Bengals team we're just 232 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, with Jamar Chase and the contract 233 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: situation on the horizon, would they be better served instead 234 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: of paying him the massive amount of money that he's 235 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: going to demand, would they be better serve from a 236 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: bigger picture, to do the Tyreek Hill trade, to do 237 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: what the Kansas City Chiefs did, who kind of rebuilt 238 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: the rest of their roster. You could say that that 239 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: roster has been a little bit of the spine of 240 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: these Super Bowl teams that they've been cranking out. To 241 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: go back to that trade, it was March twenty third, 242 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the Triefs. The Chiefs traded Tyreek Kill 243 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Tomami Dolphins in exchange for a twenty two first round pick, 244 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: which Miami had previously acquired from San Francisco for Niners, 245 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: a second round pick in twenty two, two fourth round picks, 246 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: and a twenty twenty three to sixth round pick. Then 247 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: once the trade's done, they signed Tyreek Hill four years, 248 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million, including seventy two million guaranteed, 249 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: mak him the highest paid receiver in the NFL. And 250 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: obviously that number goes way up over time with where 251 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: we are now compared to twenty two and where the 252 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: receiver market is. So I don't I don't hesitate to 253 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: tell you there will be a line of teams that 254 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: would be willing to trade that package right there, and 255 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: probably more just when you consider he's just cleaner, you know, 256 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: he's cleaner than Tyreek Hill. That would that would make 257 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: that asking price go north of that to the point 258 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: where you might be looking at two first round picks. 259 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: You know, I do wonder when we're going to get 260 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: to that point because of the way the escalating prices 261 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: of that wide receiver market, and then when you started 262 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: thinking about return on investment. I will say this love 263 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is a game change, a difference 264 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: what he does in terms of running routes and what 265 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: happens after he touches the ball. 266 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: He's different. 267 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: But now we're getting to the point where we're paying 268 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: wide receivers thirty plus million. 269 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: Dollars a year. 270 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Can you have a wide receiver that makes an 271 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: impact on a weekly basis? 272 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: To justify what that is? 273 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: And I would say, if you're a team that's considering 274 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: trading away you're number one, how. 275 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 2: Good is your quarterback? 276 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: I think the more the quarterback is a truck compared 277 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: to a trailer, the more willing you are to live 278 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: with that kind of deal. When you have a Pat Mahomes, 279 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 3: you can make the move because you fully believe that 280 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: Pat Mahomes is a truck. When you are Josh Allen 281 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: and the Bills move on from Stefan Diggs, you fully 282 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: believe that Josh Allen is a truck who's capable of 283 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: elevating those around you. I believe that we are in 284 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: agreement that Joe Burrow is a truck who would make 285 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 3: the people around him better. Cincinnati could do it because 286 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: I don't believe that there would be a drop off 287 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 3: in offensive production if you remove Jamar Chase and say, hey, 288 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, we're gonna take you number one away, but 289 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: you're we're gonna give you better pieces around you, a 290 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 3: more balanced team so you can win so you won't 291 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: have these games where we score thirty but we're still losing. 292 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: We have a better and more balanced team. Yeah, it 293 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: has to be something that you consider because we've seen it. 294 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 3: How many thirty million dollar wide receivers are playing on 295 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: teams that are relevant right now? I mean amar Ras 296 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: Saint Brown is, but who else? I mean Justin Jefferson. 297 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: AJ Brown's up there. AJ Brown's getting up there. 298 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah he is up there. Forgot him in. 299 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. DeVante Smith's number is not as high as it 300 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: could be. He's a hey, got a good value on 301 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: that one. But I was just going through the Super 302 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Bowl winners because we were on the same page, and 303 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking, these last couple of Chiefs teams haven't 304 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: had a big time receiver. But but it's a mixed 305 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: back because Tampa had Mike Evans and Godwin are both 306 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, upper upper tier Mike Evits maybe a Hall 307 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: of Famer, to be honest with you. The Rams had 308 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup who kind of took over that Super Bowl 309 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: at that time was the was was a premier, premier player, 310 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: but I don't know that they were paying him at 311 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: that time. 312 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: And we're paying him like what that number was like 313 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: now we had a thirty million dollar mark, Like now 314 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: we're in old quarterback money. 315 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: And I don't just dismiss it because I'm anti trading 316 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: jack gold jacket guys, Like I don't know if I 317 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: wanted on my resume that I traded a gold jack get. Obviously, 318 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: the the Giants have some probably remorse on not retaining 319 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley. I know people were thrown out at the 320 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: trade deadline. Oh maybe Max Crosby gets traded from the Raiders. Now. 321 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: I think there are some insites though, where you have 322 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: to think about it, and it's to get yourself out 323 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: of a little bit of a mess. And right now 324 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals have a little bit of a roster mess 325 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: that this could help clean up. They have a lot 326 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: of holes that they need to fill and this would 327 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: give you a lot of shots at the target to 328 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: be able to fill out your roster. And it's why 329 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: I said the Miles Garrett thing, another gold jacket player. 330 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to trade gold jacket players, but based 331 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: off the money that we could then reallocate to go 332 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: along with the massive amount of picks, it's going to 333 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: help me shovel out of this mess I'm in with 334 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. 335 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and some of it depends on your track record 336 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: as a look as a player evaluator, as a team builder, 337 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: Like how successful have you been in terms of understanding 338 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: how to pick players, how to identify them and develop them, 339 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: because all that comes to it, because once you make 340 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: that move, it puts all the pressure on you to 341 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: get it right. Say this, Kansas City has not necessarily 342 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: gotten it right when it comes to what they've done 343 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: at wide receiver. However, the quarterback mask a lot of flaws, 344 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: and defensively, they've been able to hit on enough of 345 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: their draft picks that they've been able to get along 346 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: without a Marquie receiver. And this would be probably the 347 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: first year and lacking the elite receiver could catch. 348 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Up with Well hear me out on this. I know 349 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford was older, right, but throughout the age, let's 350 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: look at the career age numbers for quarterbacks age a 351 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: lot better than receivers. Don't see any I mean we've 352 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: seen look at Stefan Diggs, Keenan Allen, some of these 353 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: guys who were look at DeVante Adams. These guys are 354 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: not far beyond thirty and it's fallen way off, whereas 355 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is still playing at a very high level 356 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: as he gets near forty. So the window, I guess, 357 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: I would say the Detroit Lions passed up maybe another 358 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: six six year elite play of quarterback for Matthew Stafford 359 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: to just fill their coffers. Now they got Jared goff 360 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: back along with everything else, and they've built a team 361 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: that's now it's a much better roster than the one 362 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: Stafford was on previously. What would the difference be from 363 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: them that was a quarterback? For crying out loud, I 364 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: just I don't think you can just dismiss this. I 365 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at this and rolled 366 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: their eyes and said, well, you never treated Jamar Chase 367 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: the best receiver in the NFL. You can't do that. 368 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: No, you can't do that. 369 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: But but DJ I, you're right, and it's funny that 370 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: you use Detroit, right, So you just go back and 371 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: you look at their error. 372 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: Right. 373 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: So we talked about the four years since Dan Campbell 374 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 3: and Brad Holmes. Brad Holmes have been there. I'm just 375 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: gonna read off these names so you can just see 376 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 3: ken a Stewell, Aiden Hutchinson, Jamison Williams, Jamar Gibbs, Jack Campbell, 377 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: tarn o'nold, Amara Saint Brown, Sam. 378 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: Laporter, Herbie Joseph, Alie McNeil, Brian Brant. That's a whole 379 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: lot of play. 380 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: I mean, the only ones that you would say are 381 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: not blue players are stars right now would be maybe 382 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: Jack Campbell. 383 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have elite players. Yeah, killed the. 384 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 3: Leite players and they were able to parlay it, and 385 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: so yeah, it puts a lot of pressure on you. 386 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: But when you think about the depth of their team 387 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: and how they've been able to balance out their roster, Yeah, 388 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: that trade certainly gave them a little kickstart. 389 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. All right, interesting topic, concourage, you go 390 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: read that article. It's good. It's a good discussion for sure. 391 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: Let's say, quick break, we come back. We'll get to 392 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the Thursday night game as well as a couple of 393 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: the games. Are keeping an eye on right after this? 394 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: All right, buck tonight packers on the road at the Lions, 395 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: who we were just discussing your take on how this 396 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: thing goes down in Detroit. 397 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: I think the Packers are catching the lines at the 398 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: right time. You do want to wins. The breaking point 399 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: for Detroit when it comes to the number of injuries 400 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: that they sustain. Alex Lazoni Azeloni, Yeah, Malcolm Orriguez goes 401 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 3: out at linebacker. They don't have Aiden Hutchinson already, and 402 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: so the beginning to reel from some of the injuries 403 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: on defense. Offensively, look there as good as it comes, 404 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: and they can control the game with their offense. But 405 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: you do wonder will there be a breaking point for 406 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: this Lion's defense when it comes to dealing with the 407 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: heavyweights that are coming. And keep in mind they are coming, 408 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 3: the Packers, the Vikings, the Eagles, all of those teams 409 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 3: are coming, and from a defensive standpoint, you better have 410 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 3: your personnel in place to be able to deal with 411 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: those teams. 412 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's there's a lot of things that 413 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: point to the Packers of getting this. I do feel 414 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: like the Lions and it's not this is not tough 415 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: to figure out here, but with two games here on 416 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the Packers they have a little room. But then you 417 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: got the two loss Vikings sandwiched in between them. So 418 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of people talking about 419 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: how the Packers can go in there They're going to 420 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: be a little bit there's a little bit more for 421 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: them here. The Lions could afford to drop one them 422 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: with Minnesota hanging out there, they can't. A short week 423 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: and that fast turf and that environment. I know they're 424 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: missing some pieces, but I still like the Lions in 425 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: this game. Man, Oh, I'm with you. 426 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: Like look have him in there a few weeks ago 427 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: with the Jaguars. I will say the Lions at home 428 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: are a different animal. That city really gets behind them. 429 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: Four field is a Rockets environment. I also think the 430 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: Lions understand the importance of having home field in the postseason. 431 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: They have a tendency to be able to kind of 432 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 3: get it going when they need to get it going. 433 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: If the Lions are able to secure home field for 434 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: the postseason, man, you might be able to write their 435 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: ticket to the super Bowl because of that energy. I mean, 436 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: I like the Lions in this one against the Packers, 437 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: even though Packers on paper have them right where they 438 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: want them. 439 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Yep, it'll be a close game. I do believe that 440 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Thursday night, that is five to fifteen West Coast, eight 441 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: fifteen East Coast on Prime Video. We've got the ten 442 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: am our time one o'clock Eastern Falcons at Vikings. I 443 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: just saw the Falcons. Man, there might be more pressure 444 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: individually on Kirk Cousins this week than any other quarterback 445 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: in any of the game this year, coming off the 446 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: three games scared that he's on and then you factor 447 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: into that going back to players old team in the 448 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. That is a lot of pressure and you've 449 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: got Michael Pennix breathing down your neck. 450 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of pressure on them and there 451 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: are a lot of It's funny how the buzz all 452 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: of a sudden now is all the way back on 453 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: Michael Pennix, right Like in terms of like Kirk had 454 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: a bad little stretch kind of opened the door and everyone. 455 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: Is like, oh, you gotta put Michael Penix. 456 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: And I'm like, man, we're gonna put the Ricky in 457 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: in the middle of a playoff run like this is 458 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 3: this is crazy. 459 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: But Kurt has to bounce back. The problem that you 460 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: have these last two games with six picks doesn't look 461 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: the same. 462 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: No touchdowns. He put one touchdown on the board and 463 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't for his guys. 464 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like you beginning to wonder, like, hey, what 465 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: is the ceiling for this team with Kirk Cousins at 466 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: the hemp. And let's be honest, on the other side, 467 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings offensively, Sam Donald keeping them humming what 468 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: they have going, Jordan Addison, Justin Jefferson, the re emergence 469 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: of TJ. Hawkston, as he contine used to get more 470 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 3: comfortable coming off with that injury. This offense that they 471 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 3: have in Minnesota, Man, I think the best is yet 472 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 3: to come to me. 473 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: This is one where they take care of business and 474 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: really handle the Falcon. 475 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: The one thing positive for the Falcons, I believe they 476 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: had ten sacks on the season coming into last week. 477 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: They had five sacks against the Chargers last week. So 478 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: maybe this pass rush that's been eluding them for a decade, 479 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: maybe they found a little. 480 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: Something last week they need. 481 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: They're gonna need a little bit more of that in 482 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: this ball game. All right, Buck, what have we got here? 483 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: We got the game of the week? What we got? 484 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 485 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 3: DJ is time for Game of the Week presented by 486 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: DraftKings Sportsbook. This week, the game is the Chargers at 487 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 3: the Chiefs. The spread is minus four favoring the Chiefs. 488 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: Over under is forty two and a half. I know 489 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: this is a tough one because you have. 490 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: A vested interest in this doing your work with the Chargers. 491 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: Look really compelling matchup, But to me, not that it's 492 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 3: a statement game for the Chargers. But I kind of 493 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: believe this could, I will say, legitimize him. We kind 494 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 3: of give them a little something that the league has 495 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 3: to take notice if they're able to knock off the Chiefs, 496 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: particularly on the road. 497 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: I like the lunch baill. Hey did you get a 498 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: lunch pail? Did you get a lunch Bill didn't want? 499 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: I want one, I would love one. I did not 500 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: get one. The funny thing is I did not know 501 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: even though this whole story existed. And then Colleen Colleen 502 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: uh sent Money and myself a text saying could she 503 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: get a lunch pill because she's going to use it 504 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: on TV this weekend. I'm like, I have no idea 505 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: what you don't know what you're talking about? I have 506 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on? No, I don't. I don't 507 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: own a Charger's lunch pail, but uh, uh, money might 508 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe money has one. Y. 509 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: I feel like you need to be at the boat, 510 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: uh and make sure that you get your lunch. 511 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: You gotta swoop one of those things up. 512 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, your favorite words where there's sabot, steward, whatever it is, courage, 513 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: all these other things like I'm gonna tell you, my 514 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: man understands how to build a team. Like it's such 515 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: a quirky thing, but it's so great. It's so I 516 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: love it, man. 517 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: They love it. 518 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: And for him to do it this week signals the 519 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: importance of this game. But he could have done it 520 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 3: last week. He does it this week against the Chiefs. 521 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: It's about them getting back to it. I am sure 522 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: that the message is about making this a blue collar 523 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: football game. They appear to kind of smell a little 524 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 3: blood in the water when it comes to the Chiefs fulnerability. 525 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 3: This would be a great time for the Charges to 526 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 3: really establish who they are and who they're going to 527 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: be over the next four to five years. 528 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm the Jim Harbor. 529 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost to him at home in a game 530 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: they were leading. They lost seventeen to ten. But remember 531 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: Derwin James suspended for that game, and their tackles weren't healthy. 532 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: They were coming off of being injured. So they're in 533 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: a little bit better position now that the challenge is 534 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: going to be the interior three against the Chiefs when 535 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: they can get Chris Jones isolated inside there, that's going 536 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: to be a challenge. But you know, if I was 537 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: going to give Justin Herbert the schedule every year, if 538 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: I'm Jim Harbaugh with the way the roster is right now, 539 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: I would I would have you know, this is the 540 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, where the opponent, who the opponent is, where 541 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: we're playing, the time of the game, and at the end, 542 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: I would either have I would either have Clark Kent 543 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: or Superman. Like we've played a lot of Clark Kent games. 544 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: Its Superman a Superman game. 545 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: And DJ like we've talked about it, and we've talked 546 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: about like maybe the proper utilization of the franchise quarterback 547 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 3: and how if you have a seventeen game season, the 548 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 3: goal is not to squeeze everything out of him every 549 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: seventeen games, but hey, they're about four or five big 550 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 3: games where you need him to play a as Superman. 551 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: This is a game for Justin Herbert where maybe they 552 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: do something that's a little different before they've sat and 553 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: really try to establish a run, try to cram it 554 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: down upon the store. Maybe this is a game where 555 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: they kind of spread them out, open it up a 556 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 3: little bit, and allow Justin Herbert to be who we 557 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: can be when they need him to be that. But 558 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: this is a big game for the Charger. I think 559 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 3: they're motivated to get it done. I just don't know, man, 560 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 3: it's just so hard to say that the Chiefs are 561 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: gonna lose because they just kind of find way. 562 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: It'll come down to the end of the game and 563 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: the Chiefs will have the ball that it feels like 564 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: every time these teams play, that's that's what it looks like. 565 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 3: And you're gonna have to get off the field. So 566 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: this this is a jesse mentor game. Jesse Mint is 567 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: gonna have to be able to finish it off, and 568 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: so give me the charges in debt. I'm gonna take 569 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 3: the charges to do it. I know you can't decide. 570 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: I thank you, but I am going with the charges 571 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 3: to knock up the Chiefs and it'd be great because 572 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 3: it'd be the first time Chiefs have been knocked off 573 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: in a while in a one score game. Download the 574 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: Draft King Sportsbook app now use code MTS. New customers 575 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 3: can bet just five bucks to get one hundred and 576 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 3: fifty dollars and bonus bets. If your bet wins only 577 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: on Draft King Sportsbook with code MTS, the crown is yours. 578 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's gonna be a fun one, man. I'm 579 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: looking forward to that. A couple of the games here 580 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: we have a teams with some significance here, some importance. 581 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you three. You tell me the one 582 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: that you're looking forward to the most. Actually, I'm just 583 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: gonna give you two because we just hit on the 584 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Chargers and the Chiefs, Seahawks, Cardinals, Bills, Rams. What are 585 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: you looking forward to the most? There? 586 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: Oh, Bills Rams. Let's say this. I'm looking forward to 587 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: see how the Bills take care of business. The Bills 588 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 3: have re share. 589 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: For Buffalo, the careful. This one's like this one smells 590 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: like a little bun of rope. 591 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little trap. So so for me, if 592 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: you're the Buffalo Bills. 593 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: And if you're going to be the team that people 594 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: are beginning to line them up to be the super 595 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 3: Bowl team, the team that the thrones to Kan City Chiefs, 596 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: this is one where you take care of business. Josh 597 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 3: Allen gets the team going offensively. They're playing more like 598 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: a blue collar team with a little run, little throw, 599 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: not as much splash, but a lot of physicality and toughness. 600 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: I'm with them. I like their defense. The defense has been. 601 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: Playing well, even as formidable as the Rams can be. 602 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,959 Speaker 3: To me, this is a Buffalo Bills game. I think 603 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: the Mules Mafia takes over. I think this is all 604 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills. 605 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's going to be a little closer. 606 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: I think the Rams come out with a lot of 607 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: energy and passion here. They're right in the middle of it. 608 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: They're right in the thick of it and the race 609 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: they're in the NFC West. But I do think Buffalo 610 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: maybe a little too much as we get into the 611 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: fourth quarter of that ball game. All right, Buck, that's 612 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. It's been a fun one. 613 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: We will be back tomorrow. We got one more episode 614 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: coming your way before we get to a weekend of 615 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: championship football at the college level as well as a 616 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: great slate of NFL games. So we will catch you 617 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: right here tomorrow on Move the sticks.