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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you along with Sarah Scoles. We're talking about her

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Speaker 1: latest work. They're already here. We'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: later about one of her books that she wrote several

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Speaker 1: years ago called Making Contact, the Story about Jill Tarter. Jill,

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Speaker 1: of course is an American astronomer, but her work was

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Speaker 1: working with SETI as well know Seth shaw Stack. Fascinating

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Speaker 1: person Sarah that she is, isn't she? Yes, Absolutely, she's

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Speaker 1: you know, she's been at the head of the search

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Speaker 1: for extraterrestrial intelligence for decades, which is a hard thing

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Speaker 1: to be the head of. Absolutely. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: I brought up the God question is is I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the very perplexing question about

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Speaker 1: how we got here, what we're doing here. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's an accident that things are just

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Speaker 1: too orderly and they just make sense that there's got

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Speaker 1: to be some divine intelligence behind it. How it got there,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but I just think there's some kind

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Speaker 1: of order. How about you? Um, I mean I think

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Speaker 1: we definitely live in the universe that is tuned in

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Speaker 1: such a way that we can be here. And I

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Speaker 1: mean when when physicists talk about that, they often talk

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Speaker 1: about a thing called the anthropic principle, which is really

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Speaker 1: that if if it weren't a universe that were suitable

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Speaker 1: to us, then we wouldn't be alive to be thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. And so that's one answer to that question

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Speaker 1: that that doesn't involve divine anything. But um uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: once again, George, another question I don't have the answer to.

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Speaker 1: But but you but you're right, it is a tuned universe,

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Speaker 1: to be sure. My next question would have been, who's

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Speaker 1: the tuner? It's me. It's been me all along. You

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Speaker 1: did it? You you originated all of us, right, correct? Correct,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome, Thank you did a good job. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Where do we go next with this research? I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do we get this answer that all of us

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Speaker 1: have then the questions that all of us, including you,

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Speaker 1: were looking for, just you know, what's out there? Are

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Speaker 1: there extraterrestrials? Have they visited here? When do we really

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Speaker 1: get that definitive answer? Yeah, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people would like to know when I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a good time for the steady side of things, looking

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Speaker 1: for cosmic cousins out there in the universe that are

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Speaker 1: not here. You know, for a long time people have

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Speaker 1: been searching for a specific type of radio signal that

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Speaker 1: we think intelligent aliens might broadcast. And now steady scienceists

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Speaker 1: they're kind of beginning to diversify what they're looking for more.

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Speaker 1: They have like they're looking for alien lasers first of all,

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Speaker 1: and then even more unconventional ideas like looking first systems

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Speaker 1: of planets that look like they've been engineered to be temperate,

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Speaker 1: so like a set of planets that all look like

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Speaker 1: the tropics, or looking for pollution in the atmospheres of stars,

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Speaker 1: and so I think, you know, anytime you are looking

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Speaker 1: to find an answer. And I mean for the for

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Speaker 1: the are they are already here part of the question.

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Speaker 1: I think we also live in a data rich time.

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Speaker 1: For that we have satellites and sensors all over the

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Speaker 1: planet that we could be collecting and analyzing data relevant

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Speaker 1: to UFOs on and people mostly haven't in the past,

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Speaker 1: but we could, and there are a few private organizations

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Speaker 1: as as you said before, my skeptical perspective, the answer

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Speaker 1: way that I know to get at What about people, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: that have had incredible sightings, not just little things I

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Speaker 1: Strange things like that. What about these sightings from people?

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Speaker 1: Because as I say, as I say, if you see

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Speaker 1: a hundred of them, in ninety nine of them are

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Speaker 1: And it's hard because people's personal accounts are not the

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Speaker 1: radar return or something like that. Sure, would you like

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Speaker 1: to believe that there are extraterrestrials out there in the universe? Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: It would be very strange to me to live in

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Speaker 1: even if that's not necessarily what I think I would

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Speaker 1: I would love to find out if that was the case.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Scoles with us. Her website is her name linked

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Speaker 1: up at Coast to coastam dot com. The book They

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Speaker 1: Are Already Here came out in March and you can

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Speaker 1: pick it up on Amazon any other place, Sarah, Amazon's good.

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Speaker 1: There's a website called indie Bounds ide Bounds that you

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Speaker 1: What about the theory that these are coming from the

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Speaker 1: inner Earth, that they've always been part of this planet.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that one? I don't know

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Speaker 1: to consider it if it came my way, Sarah. Since

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Speaker 1: you've been doing this, which has been how many years

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Speaker 1: now investigating putting together these two books, let's see having

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Speaker 1: around six years, because Tarter came out in seventeen, right

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Speaker 1: him interested in UFOs. I also find very intriguing. It's

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Speaker 1: don't know if she's still part of SETTI or not.

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Speaker 1: SETI could have just gone away. You know, getting funding

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Speaker 1: an incredible talk called Intelligent Life in the Universe? Is

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Speaker 1: called Making Contact Jill Tarter in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Sarah,

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Speaker 1: Louis Alzando? Pretty credible? I have questions about Louis Alsando.

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Speaker 1: He and I spoke for an article that I wrote

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