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Speaker 4: I won't be at the show.
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Speaker 2: Uh and that'll be fun atn sells out and not
Speaker 2: just for the Toyota.
Speaker 8: We'll do it in London for.
Speaker 2: I think our fourth live show there and uh yes,
Speaker 2: I would say five or six listen. We could quibble
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Speaker 7: It was instant and Greg, I don't understand your angle.
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Speaker 9: Old left h Yeah, that's gonna be fun. It's a
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Speaker 3: I think that's exciting for that week throw it out there.
Speaker 2: I have not been the same personally without the touch
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Speaker 3: Yes, so we'll be back to him for that game
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Speaker 6: We were on a planning call yesterday and we got
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Speaker 2: And one more thing, one more thing that is amazing
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Speaker 2: with Colleen. She's got a hard out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 7: You got to get that we.
Speaker 2: Had some minor issues getting the show set up this morning.
Speaker 2: Say that nath was involved. There's a really tricky situation
Speaker 2: where there was to add something addition, there was an
Speaker 2: extra number, and that just threw a lot off for
Speaker 2: me at least. Anyway, we're going to talk about there's
Speaker 2: nine to nine own two teams as we enter week three.
Speaker 7: Wounded animals.
Speaker 2: You could call them all them cornered animals, you can't.
Speaker 7: And we love animals. So we're not celebrating, no, not
Speaker 7: at all. We're gonna rank them.
Speaker 2: We're going to power rank them maybe power maybe power
Speaker 2: is not the word powerless rank from hopeless, too hopeful,
Speaker 2: powerless rankings.
Speaker 7: Eric, by the way, used up. Eric Roberts does an
Speaker 7: awesome job as our producer. Absolutely, and he's patient with us.
Speaker 2: Sure, and I'll take I'll take the fall here, used
Speaker 2: up all the patients we started today, So here to
Speaker 2: help guys. You're gonna just take try to take it
Speaker 2: as easy as possible.
Speaker 9: Done this before the show, it would be the same
Speaker 9: you would be idea.
Speaker 4: Guys, twenty minutes.
Speaker 7: Into a sitting here, so appreciate you too, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm loving it, having a blast.
Speaker 7: Are you though? The Powerless rankings one to nine.
Speaker 8: We're gonna say, you know what? Oh and two teams
Speaker 8: do we do?
Speaker 7: We are?
Speaker 2: We still hopeful? And who is hopeless? We also have
Speaker 2: let's count them. It's primetime Wednesday preview. We have a
Speaker 2: Thursday night game, a Sunday night game, and two more
Speaker 2: Monday night games. Hold your thoughts on that for a moment, Mark,
Speaker 2: We'll get to it in time. Okay, let's let's do
Speaker 2: some football. We're gonna get to the previews and then
Speaker 2: we get to have a conversation. It's been a tough
Speaker 2: week for Mark. Put it that way. All right, let's
Speaker 2: get to it. Why don't you want to just do it?
Speaker 2: Let's go because there's not a lot there's not a
Speaker 2: ton of news out there right now.
Speaker 3: We're gonna hit the biggest news in this segment.
Speaker 7: We'll couch it in other parts of the show.
Speaker 2: So here are the own two football teams heading into
Speaker 2: Week three, The New England Patriots, the Cincinnati Bengals, The
Speaker 2: Houston Texans, the LA Chargers, the Denver Broncos, the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears, the Carolina Panthers, and the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 4: How many teams?
Speaker 7: That's nine?
Speaker 3: It's nine. It's ten if you count the Vikings twice.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: That was one of the errors that was made. Very
Speaker 2: tricky situation. So they're nine teams nine. Let's do some
Speaker 2: math now, and that's what led to so many issues before.
Speaker 7: What's eighteen losses? That's good times two, got it.
Speaker 2: So what we did, with the help of Eric Roberts,
Speaker 2: we all came up with our individual one through nine.
Speaker 8: So let's start on the positive side.
Speaker 2: Of Okay, okay, So number one in the powerless rankings
Speaker 2: of own two teams, which means we are damn hopeful
Speaker 2: that there could be a turnaround.
Speaker 10: Who is that, Eric, So the number one team, assuming
Speaker 10: that we're working away from the top down, is the
Speaker 10: Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3: Three of the four of you guys gave them the
Speaker 3: number nine score.
Speaker 2: I guess by the way you could hear from Greg
Speaker 2: Rosenthal Patnam that he is not the one that gave
Speaker 2: them the first grade.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's the number seven on my list. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I am third. I am third among these really?
Speaker 4: Oh wow?
Speaker 2: All right, so let's start like talking about why majority
Speaker 2: ruled on this one. With Cincinnati, it seems fairly self
Speaker 2: evident that they started owned to last year. Now, the difference,
Speaker 2: I would say, Connie, between this year and last year was, yes,
Speaker 2: Borrow miss time in the summer, got out to a
Speaker 2: slow start, a couple of ugly performances on offense, and
Speaker 2: then I think they won ten in a row or
Speaker 2: something like that. But the Burrough health issue hangs over
Speaker 2: this seam in a really disturbing way.
Speaker 5: Because last year it was they lost to Mitchell Trubisky
Speaker 5: and Cooper Rush those first two weeks, so that kind
Speaker 5: of looked a little bleak. But it feels a little
Speaker 5: different this year seeing Joe Burrow on the sideline with
Speaker 5: the THEO gun and his calf, and this offensive line
Speaker 5: is still a problem as it always is, but now
Speaker 5: with him not one hundred percent, it's even worse.
Speaker 4: However, it did feel like in.
Speaker 5: The second half of that game against the Ravens we
Speaker 5: did sort of see a little bit more of Burrow's
Speaker 5: touch and the scores to t Higgins that gave me
Speaker 5: a little bit of hope. We just really need to
Speaker 5: see how the calf works out with him. But of
Speaker 5: all of these teams, it seems like they have the
Speaker 5: biggest upside.
Speaker 6: So they were like they actually didn't win ten in
Speaker 6: a row. They were five and four at one point,
Speaker 6: Oh really, And they were four and four after they
Speaker 6: got destroyed by the Browns in prime time and then
Speaker 6: wound up twelve and four, And it kinda is a
Speaker 6: reminder of how long the season is and like how
Speaker 6: much we can change our impression of GCS.
Speaker 3: So the ten in a row was including the playoffs,
Speaker 3: the five and.
Speaker 7: Short like they went on a streak after that.
Speaker 6: But I but last year there was no reason not
Speaker 6: to completely buy into Joe Burrow and everything he was
Speaker 6: gonna do.
Speaker 7: And I'm with you, like on this calf issue.
Speaker 6: And it was just like talking about it all summer,
Speaker 6: like is this really gonna creep up after they gave
Speaker 6: him like a month plus of non activity and it's like, bang,
Speaker 6: we're in week two and he's limping off the field.
Speaker 7: I mean, that is a major concern.
Speaker 9: That's that's why journey of your team, that's why they
Speaker 9: were a third for me, is like there's a significant
Speaker 9: chance that this calf injury completely ruins their season. Now
Speaker 9: what is significant? Is it five percent or is it
Speaker 9: thirty five percent? I there's no way anyone can know,
Speaker 9: but the way that they're talking about it, and now
Speaker 9: you know, Ian Rapport said it's gonna be something where
Speaker 9: he's not fully healthy for a long time, but that
Speaker 9: he has been feeling better the last two days, and
Speaker 9: maybe there's more optimism he plays Monday night against the
Speaker 9: Rams than there was a couple of days ago. I
Speaker 9: don't know, but I'm I'm totally spooked by it, and
Speaker 9: I they're already oh in two I just don't know
Speaker 9: how he's gonna be and if the team around him
Speaker 9: is good enough to make up for it, because they've
Speaker 9: got their own issues even if he is healthy. You
Speaker 9: mentioned the offensive line. The defensive line has stunk. Like
Speaker 9: if Joe Burrow plays in that game against the Rams,
Speaker 9: the way these two teams have looked, we'll get to
Speaker 9: the preview like that's close to a toss up game.
Speaker 9: If Joe Burrow doesn't play any games, they don't have
Speaker 9: a real backup quarterback. There are suddenly one of the
Speaker 9: worst offenses in the league. Right, and they're not gonna
Speaker 9: win games and they're already owing two. So that's why
Speaker 9: I put him a little lower, just for the what
Speaker 9: sounds like now decent chance that Burrow is gonna miss
Speaker 9: multiple games. Maybe this will be the moment we look
Speaker 9: back on where we were too panicked. But at this moment,
Speaker 9: I can't feel like I can't notes you have him
Speaker 9: at number three right, right, But I think Bengals fans,
Speaker 9: I think it's fair.
Speaker 8: You're very nervous.
Speaker 2: I agree that it's it's a time of great consternation
Speaker 2: for Cincinnati fense. But I guess if if we had
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor coming out yesterday or today and saying he's
Speaker 2: not playing this week and it's a week to week situation.
Speaker 7: I would have him down.
Speaker 2: But there's also a chance this guy, you know, these
Speaker 2: guys are warriors like that, he's.
Speaker 9: Gonna like he's gonna gut it out publicly. I get
Speaker 9: it him not saying anything. It's very different than week one.
Speaker 9: He wasn't limping off the field noticeably after Week one.
Speaker 9: That was week two. It was on a very specific
Speaker 9: throat where he was running to the left.
Speaker 4: At the end of their run. Defense is a mess.
Speaker 3: They're not they could have other issues.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, that's fair too, all these teams.
Speaker 9: I mean, I know I've gotten on Zach Taylor some
Speaker 9: of that too. It sounds like, but you know, someone
Speaker 9: made the point. I think it was I wish I
Speaker 9: think it was Mike Sando talking about different coaches, like
Speaker 9: great coaches don't have the type of seasons that Zach
Speaker 9: Taylor had the first couple of years. So if you
Speaker 9: want to say Zach Taylor is not a problem, that's fine,
Speaker 9: But he's not a six or seven coaches in the
Speaker 9: league that makes a difference, or else they wouldn't have
Speaker 9: been the worst.
Speaker 7: Even unfair that you.
Speaker 2: Keep coming after Taylor when the franchise, the whole, the
Speaker 2: focal point of everything is hurt right now. He's not himself,
Speaker 2: which limits the entire operation.
Speaker 9: But I don't think Joe Burrow as the reason they
Speaker 9: lost that game. I think he played pretty well in
Speaker 9: that game and they lost.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just allow a lot of being put at
Speaker 2: the feet of Taylor, who's had.
Speaker 7: Fair a lot of success.
Speaker 9: I just mean, are you going to come up with
Speaker 9: solutions to like dig you out of a tough hole?
Speaker 7: That's all we shall see all right, number two in
Speaker 7: our voting? Is it a vector voting system?
Speaker 4: It might be.
Speaker 5: We don't really know what the vector voting is.
Speaker 7: Sure, vector voting system? Hanging chats.
Speaker 8: Yes, there we go a little bit of data ref
Speaker 8: But I got it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, go look it up if you're too young to
Speaker 6: know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 10: Number two guys, the Los Angeles Chargers. It looks like
Speaker 10: Greg is the only one that ranked them number one
Speaker 10: on the list.
Speaker 8: I had him too.
Speaker 7: Where did you guys have them two? Okay?
Speaker 4: I had them three?
Speaker 7: All right, it's fine, Colleen. Why do you have him
Speaker 7: at three as opposed to too?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: Because I don't know why I like the Vikings after watching.
Speaker 7: Right save that, But why do you have the charge?
Speaker 2: What are you worried about the Chargers to the point
Speaker 2: that because but two, you know, with all the talent
Speaker 2: and the quarterback and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Because I think the defense has been a disaster, and
Speaker 5: like justin Herbert can be great and put up all
Speaker 5: of these points, but like that's if the defense is
Speaker 5: not going to hold up their end of the bargain
Speaker 5: in the AFC, like that's going to be a massive issue,
Speaker 5: especially in that Division with the Chiefs two. I mean
Speaker 5: they gave up thirty six points in five hundred and
Speaker 5: thirty six yards against the Dolphins in Week one. Obviously
Speaker 5: we know how that all played out, and then they
Speaker 5: only forced four incompletions from Ryan Tannehill Ryan Tannehill in
Speaker 5: an overtime loss.
Speaker 6: Yet you have two weeks in a row where you
Speaker 6: have a chance with a what we assume is a
Speaker 6: potential Hall of Fame type talent quarterback. Maybe maybe less,
Speaker 6: but like you love, I love Justin Herbert, and two
Speaker 6: weeks in a row, you don't get it done. I
Speaker 6: feel like that Brandon Staley press conference started to show
Speaker 6: some heat, Yeah, some pressure. I just don't like the
Speaker 6: the overall journey for this team. I don't trust them
Speaker 6: late in games. You're in a tough division, You're in
Speaker 6: a very tough, top heavy AFC. But yet they're two
Speaker 6: on my list because of the roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the roster is great.
Speaker 8: I just you're okay, okay.
Speaker 5: I want to imagine this team with and I hate
Speaker 5: to say it, like with Sean Payton, would it look different.
Speaker 9: They've lost two games by a combined five points to
Speaker 9: two decent teams. They Weren't's not like they were heavy
Speaker 9: favorites in Tennessee.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 9: The defense is very concerning, but the offense has been great.
Speaker 9: I mean they're top five and success rate, their top
Speaker 9: five and yards per drive, points per drive. I think
Speaker 9: Kellen Moore is pushing the ball downfield with Justin Herver,
Speaker 9: like I've kind of seen what I've wanted out of
Speaker 9: the offense. These next two games are massive, though. We'll
Speaker 9: get to them in the previous but they have a
Speaker 9: bye week in Week five, but before that it's Vikings Raiders,
Speaker 9: then after the buy Cowboys Chief So it's like, you
Speaker 9: feel like you got to get these two.
Speaker 7: You need to be too.
Speaker 3: It is tough to be Op five by I don't
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 8: Nobody wants that. All right, who do you have at
Speaker 8: number three?
Speaker 3: Number three? Guys? Little tease from calling there the Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had the Vikings at three as well up
Speaker 2: on this. Okay, Well, we're both okay with them. Like,
Speaker 2: but here's the thing, here's a tricky thing. The Chargers
Speaker 2: and the Vikings are playing this week. Yeah, and you
Speaker 2: just said it, Greg, like the defense of the Chargers,
Speaker 2: how's it gonna fare when Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: Kirk o Chains and the Vikings need to win just
Speaker 2: as badly. But they're playing in Minnesota, like the Chargers.
Speaker 2: By not finding a way Greggy to close out those
Speaker 2: first two games now put them in a really themselves
Speaker 2: in a really tough spot because I think Minnesota, as
Speaker 2: we know, last year, everything went their way in these
Speaker 2: one score games. Now they've lost to one score games.
Speaker 2: But I think they're going to be in a lot
Speaker 2: of games again. And I don't think they're a hopeless team.
Speaker 2: I think they're a middling team, but a team that
Speaker 2: could be pretty much anybody on any given day outside
Speaker 2: of maybe three or four teams. So I think they're
Speaker 2: kind of hanging around in the fringes of the playoff
Speaker 2: race come December.
Speaker 7: So but I'm not like high on them, high.
Speaker 6: The Vikings as my fourth team, but it gets foggy
Speaker 6: down in this at this point of the list. Anyways,
Speaker 6: I the Vikings tested Philadelphia. I mean, that was a
Speaker 6: weird game, but it's like you trust their offense like
Speaker 6: they can they can just do so much through the air,
Speaker 6: and Justin Jefferson gives you a chance every week Kirk
Speaker 6: Cousins is better than people think. I think their defense
Speaker 6: under flores like it's there's a lot of young players,
Speaker 6: especially in the secondary, but I kind of like their
Speaker 6: defense and what's happening to some degree, and I think
Speaker 6: they can get better. I just I think the Vikings
Speaker 6: experience will be frustrating no matter what.
Speaker 9: The To me, they're like, don't look any different than
Speaker 9: they looked a year ago when they won thirteen games
Speaker 9: and we were beating that boring drum for a while.
Speaker 9: That's like, there's not much separating this from like a
Speaker 9: seven or eight win tim and that's kind of what
Speaker 9: they look like to me. Defensively, I think they have
Speaker 9: chance to get better, but their interior offensive line was
Speaker 9: terrible a year ago. It's been terrible this year. They
Speaker 9: signed Dalton Reisner, who was, you know, too high on
Speaker 9: my top one hundred free agent's list in retrospect because
Speaker 9: he was in like fifties or sixties. But they just
Speaker 9: signed him this week, which is a sign at least
Speaker 9: they're trying to get better there and I think he
Speaker 9: will help them. But I have them a little lower
Speaker 9: because it just feels like they're they're aiming for the middle,
Speaker 9: whereas some of these other teams, we haven't gotten one
Speaker 9: of them. But the charges of the Bengals, I would I
Speaker 9: would throw in there have a chance to be towards
Speaker 9: the time.
Speaker 5: The offensive line doesn't look good. I think they were
Speaker 5: dealing with some injuries against the Eagles, if I remember
Speaker 5: that correctly. But the run game, there's no balance whatsoever
Speaker 5: on that offense, so they need to find balance. It
Speaker 5: doesn't make sense really for them to try and run
Speaker 5: the ball this week against the Chargers, considering that the
Speaker 5: Chargers have given up six hundred and sixty six passing
Speaker 5: yards already. Sixty sixty six doesn't seem great.
Speaker 7: The monitoring lie it is. Yeah, so could be super troubling.
Speaker 9: Okay, so that we're gonna have a very good OH
Speaker 9: and three team, we're gonna have an O and three
Speaker 9: team that I wouldn't stick a fork in between the
Speaker 9: loser that game.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. About number four on these rankings.
Speaker 10: Our guys coming behind the Vikings is the New England Patriots.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I had them at three.
Speaker 3: I had them at two.
Speaker 9: Maybe showing some homerism here, but to me, they're a
Speaker 9: more complete, better team on a neutral field than the
Speaker 9: Vikings and the Borough thing I talked about. So they've
Speaker 9: looked like a better team than they were in twenty
Speaker 9: twenty two, but they're still They're still sloppy. There's still
Speaker 9: a notch below I think a team like Miami or
Speaker 9: certainly Buffalo in their own division. And even if that
Speaker 9: defense is great, they've had so many injuries now on
Speaker 9: both sides of all.
Speaker 3: That's all concerning.
Speaker 9: But they do have enough ingredients I think, including the coaches,
Speaker 9: that they can get better and better as a season.
Speaker 6: Goal, I feel like they need to win games like
Speaker 6: seventeen to sixteen or seventeen fourteen.
Speaker 7: Like I don't trust their offense.
Speaker 6: We watched them together on Sunday night and I was like,
Speaker 6: visibly andverbally agitated by what they are on offense.
Speaker 7: They feel poorly coached on like I.
Speaker 6: Just feel like this is not this is not to
Speaker 6: me like a team that I trust to do anything
Speaker 6: more than maybe win eight or nine games. Their defense
Speaker 6: is absolutely solid, but that's it. You're on one side
Speaker 6: of the ball. Like I like, I think Greg, you
Speaker 6: like Mac Jones far more than I do. We will
Speaker 6: see I have him at number five, and that is
Speaker 6: like Yeah, what we've seen so far is kind of meh.
Speaker 6: And you know this is gonna be interesting because they're
Speaker 6: going to the metal lands where they've had so much
Speaker 6: success even post Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: So we'll see what version of the patch shows up.
Speaker 2: But like I don't know, maybe it is with with
Speaker 2: with mac Jones a little bit at the disconnect, Greg,
Speaker 2: I see it, you see it, like he he is
Speaker 2: capable of leading drives, you know, putting points on the
Speaker 2: board if that's if the scheme is right, he could
Speaker 2: put the pass where it needs to be.
Speaker 8: Sometimes it takes.
Speaker 2: More work than a more athletic that guy, but he'll
Speaker 2: get out of the pocket and he'll hit the throw
Speaker 2: and they'll be able to move change. However, I think
Speaker 2: the thing that I was thinking about today is because
Speaker 2: he's not special, Like he's not a true playmaker, it
Speaker 2: kind of caps the whole thing. And since there's not
Speaker 2: so much talent around him, it's gonna be really hard
Speaker 2: for them week to week to put up points and
Speaker 2: and put so much pressure on the defense, which to me,
Speaker 2: they are a seven or eight win team.
Speaker 7: Because of that.
Speaker 5: It just doesn't feel like they have anything like special
Speaker 5: that like they need more Hootzpa. With the offense, there
Speaker 5: needs to be like another gear to it. So when
Speaker 5: I watch it just kind of feels like a little
Speaker 5: flat lining.
Speaker 9: They're condensed. They need their special to be on defense. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and that's tough to do in twenty twenty two because
Speaker 9: suddenly you can be down to your top three corners
Speaker 9: like they were against Miami, and it's like you're not
Speaker 9: You're not gonna be special and they're thin on the
Speaker 9: offensive line. That's my number one concern. I think Max
Speaker 9: played pretty well despite it. I think they're quite well
Speaker 9: coached on offense because I think they're under talented and
Speaker 9: they've had open receivers. It's such a difference between now
Speaker 9: in a year ago. But you're counting on guys like
Speaker 9: to Mario Douglas and he's a sixth round little rookie
Speaker 9: who you bench. And then you're like doing the Belichick
Speaker 9: thing where you're spiting your nose to spite your face.
Speaker 3: What is it with your nose your face?
Speaker 7: You're cutting off your keep your nose spite your face.
Speaker 6: I don't know why anyone would would on that. Historically,
Speaker 6: where the phrase came.
Speaker 7: From a narcissus Narcissus.
Speaker 9: Narcissus said, I think I think they could rally though,
Speaker 9: I think they could rally.
Speaker 2: All right, where are we at number five looking at
Speaker 2: himself in that pond? Yeah, it's getting bad now, it's
Speaker 2: getting rough. Now, it's gonna start getting uglier. But later
Speaker 2: it's almost like we're at the last spot for me
Speaker 2: anyway where I have any amount of hope.
Speaker 7: What do you I.
Speaker 3: Agree up next, guys around the Patriots is the Broncos.
Speaker 6: That's exactly where I put that number fives across the board.
Speaker 2: I think I flipped over in New England just because
Speaker 2: they've been proficient on offense that they've been, you know,
Speaker 2: they've had moments where they just look better.
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson does look better.
Speaker 4: What was that?
Speaker 3: That was not the wound?
Speaker 10: I liked it to me, that was I planned a
Speaker 10: little transition and make it a little more wounded at
Speaker 10: this point.
Speaker 9: That was that I want that as part of the
Speaker 9: Broncos profile on this podcast all season.
Speaker 7: It's like a nasally again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's Kevin Saunders, their general manager. Poor thing.
Speaker 2: It's like a little Gerbil like asking for water, like
Speaker 2: the water thing is. Yeah, there's a little more animal to.
Speaker 3: It at the end.
Speaker 9: It's like, Sean, can you stop playing Jordan and Little
Speaker 9: Jordan Humphrey and Adam Trautman from the Saints for fifty
Speaker 9: snaps a game.
Speaker 7: That's what Greg would be as an animal.
Speaker 2: Uh, there is, there is, There are things to be
Speaker 2: more hopeful about, like with the Patriots, quite honestly, where
Speaker 2: the offense looks like it's a little more professionally run
Speaker 2: than a year ago. Russell Wilson has hit on some
Speaker 2: deep balls, He's got some chemistry, and there's that side
Speaker 2: of it. But again I thought there were obviously also Greg,
Speaker 2: a lot of red flags about how that game played
Speaker 2: out and Week two.
Speaker 8: Down the stretch and was like, oh is this team junk?
Speaker 7: Is that what's going on here?
Speaker 9: I think they're squarely in the middle to like the
Speaker 9: lower middle class. You know, they've lost two games by
Speaker 9: how many points? I've combined three points now one of them.
Speaker 9: You know, the hail mayor made that look better. But
Speaker 9: there there's there to me more what you guys are
Speaker 9: talking about. With the Patriots, there's I said this before
Speaker 9: the season, there's truly nothing special about this team. There's
Speaker 9: no unit, there's no group, on the team that's above average,
Speaker 9: they're all like hoping to be averaged.
Speaker 3: The defense I think is well below average at this point.
Speaker 2: I just went on a ESPN to check out some
Speaker 2: results for the Broncos their schedule, and one of the
Speaker 2: videos that popped up Jeff Saturday colon Sean Payton and
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's partnership can work.
Speaker 8: So did it happen?
Speaker 2: Like, did Jeff Saturday actually leave ESPN and become the
Speaker 2: head coach of the Cults?
Speaker 7: Yes, then returned huh are we sure?
Speaker 8: Though?
Speaker 2: Well, like, are we certain that that happened? Was that potentially?
Speaker 4: It's like one of those I felt simulation. I was
Speaker 4: there for it.
Speaker 6: It's like how did last night end? I don't necessarily remember.
Speaker 6: It's kind of that sort of situation, like a you know,
Speaker 6: this is like.
Speaker 2: An honest question, did it? Can we say with total
Speaker 2: certainty that had happened? And if you if you say,
Speaker 2: I believe you. But there's also it makes way more
Speaker 2: sense that of course that didn't happen, because that would
Speaker 2: be insane. But there's also if we all collectively kind
Speaker 2: of remember it is that the st streisand effect, is
Speaker 2: that what they call it the strisand effected.
Speaker 4: What is that effect?
Speaker 7: You're heading into waters that I'm unsure of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dan, But while you look up that the Broncos, Yes,
Speaker 5: now that they lost to the Commanders and the Raiders
Speaker 5: both at home, they have coming up in their next
Speaker 5: eight games, they play the Dolphins, the Bills, and the
Speaker 5: Chiefs twice, so they're going to be pretty rooted for
Speaker 5: a while.
Speaker 2: The streisand effects is an unintended consequence of attempts to hide, remove,
Speaker 2: or sensor information where the effort instead backfires by increasing
Speaker 2: awareness of that information.
Speaker 6: That's attached to Barber Striisan has anything to do with
Speaker 6: what you were talking about.
Speaker 3: But that's an interesting.
Speaker 4: Why did why did your brain go to this?
Speaker 2: It's it's actually fascinating. Check out the wiki page. She
Speaker 2: had a beach side of state in Malibu, and it
Speaker 2: got super on her radar that somehow there was like
Speaker 2: either like photos of it that got out there, and
Speaker 2: she made a big deal trying to suppress those photos
Speaker 2: because she didn't want to, she wanted privacy, and instead
Speaker 2: by sending it up like legal back channels, it became
Speaker 2: a big story and then everyone knew where her house.
Speaker 9: This happens a lot in sports media, you'll you'll hear
Speaker 9: a big time apology from like a mid tier coach
Speaker 9: or like an assistant or a player, like explaining something
Speaker 9: I'm so sorry about no one and like no one
Speaker 9: ever knew about it, and that actually ends up making
Speaker 9: it worse.
Speaker 2: So you're right, that's not what it is. But by
Speaker 2: the end of this episode, I'll remember what it was.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, next time we can look forward to that.
Speaker 8: Yes, all right, let's uh.
Speaker 9: I'm we'll talk about Rust Wilson plentying on the show,
Speaker 9: but I'm I'm not seeing it much different.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, number six, So now we go into
Speaker 2: the kind of like the area of the damned. We're
Speaker 2: moving from hopeful to edging towards hopeless potentially, which is.
Speaker 7: I don't like that one. That's too much. Oh that
Speaker 7: don't hurt too much. I don't like that one. I
Speaker 7: didn't like that one.
Speaker 4: We don't love it. I'm sorry, Oh.
Speaker 7: What are we doing? All right?
Speaker 10: Let's go number six behind the Broncos. Guys, the only
Speaker 10: team with a unanimous across the board all the same
Speaker 10: vote the Panthers number four. I guess four points.
Speaker 6: I think it's tough to all have a team in
Speaker 6: the same place at this point in the exercise.
Speaker 7: That's a good job by us or not.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I think it's because, like no one believes their offense
Speaker 9: is going to be above average at any point, even
Speaker 9: if Bryce starts playing better. But they have like a
Speaker 9: truly capable defensive roster, especially in the front seven. Now
Speaker 9: they keep losing guys. Shaq Thompson now is gone and
Speaker 9: we'll see when Jacy Horn gets back at quarterback, but
Speaker 9: like they have a legit frontline that's gonna like make
Speaker 9: games uncomfortable for other teams.
Speaker 3: And that's that's what they got.
Speaker 6: You remember where like when Steve Wilkes, like eight months
Speaker 6: ago or whatever had this team like destroying people with
Speaker 6: the run.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, there's seven people taking photos of us.
Speaker 2: There is more of them before and I was able
Speaker 2: to ignore that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but now there's a whole other crew.
Speaker 6: It's well, they wheel people in from these schools in
Speaker 6: these programs, Like they're often standing outside our cubicle people in.
Speaker 4: It's like a tourist group.
Speaker 6: But is it is a little bit so there you
Speaker 6: can't Also, the glass at the Chris Wesley studio is
Speaker 6: a bit tinted, so we can't really see them, but
Speaker 6: they can stare at us and try nice judging us.
Speaker 7: They can judge us.
Speaker 5: I judge you guys all the time when I walk past,
Speaker 5: I'm watching you.
Speaker 7: Yes, wherever you got, go ahead? Mark, Sorry about that, though,
Speaker 7: No are they are?
Speaker 6: They even more formidable than what Steve Wilkes had them
Speaker 6: doing down the stretch last year when they were blowing
Speaker 6: people away attack It's like the offense is more punchless.
Speaker 6: I do like the defense to some agree, but it's
Speaker 6: like cool, they're not as good as New England's defense.
Speaker 6: So it's like you if New England's gonna have a
Speaker 6: tough time surviving on one side of the ball.
Speaker 7: This team feels a little lost to me.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure Frank Reich is the savior some always
Speaker 6: project them to be.
Speaker 5: They have no playmakers though, like they have no one
Speaker 5: at the skill positions. I mean, they're gonna have to
Speaker 5: win with Miles Sanders and their defense. And it's like
Speaker 5: with Bryce Young behind that offensive line, he's already been
Speaker 5: sacked six times, Like Annie's a rookie on top of
Speaker 5: it to throw the ball to really, you need to
Speaker 5: get their guys.
Speaker 2: More, what is what are you subpower rankings? The early
Speaker 2: season hit targets. Okay, I'll go through all of us.
Speaker 2: I don't know Colleen yet. For me, Desmond Ritter, yeah, uh,
Speaker 2: for Mark, it's Frank right I second time, And I haven't.
Speaker 7: Think it's a Zach Sailor. Yeah, would be for Greg.
Speaker 6: We've met Frank target like a totally nice individual. Loved
Speaker 6: him as a backup quarterback. But like, I just think
Speaker 6: it's kind of like, oh, Frank Reich's there. There's all
Speaker 6: this stability, like is there? Like what's so stable about
Speaker 6: what happened to last year's Cults and what's so stable
Speaker 6: about this year's Panthers.
Speaker 3: It could show it to me, It could take some time.
Speaker 9: These two teams back to back reminds me a giro
Speaker 9: Everro went from the Broncos to the Panthers. That Broncos
Speaker 9: defense looks a lot worse, and I like what I've
Speaker 9: seen out of the Panthers defense. I think they have
Speaker 9: a nice coaching staff there.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the very bottom, because I know
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people screaming at their listening devices.
Speaker 2: When I said strids and effect, They're like that's not
Speaker 2: a idiot, right, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking
Speaker 2: of the Mandela effect, an observed phenomenon in which a
Speaker 2: large segment of the population misremembers a significant event or
Speaker 2: shares a memory of an event that did not actually occur.
Speaker 7: That's Jeff's Saturday.
Speaker 9: How why what happened with Mandela that he I think
Speaker 9: it was that he died in prison.
Speaker 8: It was something like that.
Speaker 5: I like that you can't remember, and that's the whole thing.
Speaker 6: That doesn't matter as much your syndrome with us here
Speaker 6: at this point, like symbion you know, Symbionese Liberation Front.
Speaker 8: It was something like that.
Speaker 3: You nailed it.
Speaker 9: Everyone thought he died in prison, which you know, of
Speaker 9: course he didn't. He was a whole thing, was a release, Yeah,
Speaker 9: twenty plus years Well, it.
Speaker 8: Was kind of a pre internet phenomenon.
Speaker 7: I think the most part. All right, numbers tells hard
Speaker 7: out not looking good. We got ten minutes.
Speaker 10: The final three guys up. Next is the Texans. Okay,
Speaker 10: it looks like Mark had them one spot below the rest.
Speaker 6: I believe in a different team more than the Texans
Speaker 6: at this moment.
Speaker 9: I'm guessing I can guess. I uh I think c J.
Speaker 9: Stroud's been promising. I think they're Will Anderson's promising, like
Speaker 9: the idea of their defenses promising. I don't know if
Speaker 9: it's totally showed up yet because of injuries. Like they're
Speaker 9: a team I'm more excited to watch. But I we're
Speaker 9: at the point where it would be shocking to me
Speaker 9: if any of these teams were close.
Speaker 3: To a playoff run.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm with you, Oh yeah, there's no way. This
Speaker 2: is a team under construction.
Speaker 3: It's the NFL situ there's always a way good. I
Speaker 3: get c J.
Speaker 5: Stroud was like taking shots downfield though, to Nico Collins
Speaker 5: and Tank Dell, and he like hurt his shoulder and
Speaker 5: he was behind a bad offensive line. And even when
Speaker 5: their offensive line is one hundred percent, they're still like
Speaker 5: not anywhere near one hundred percent effective.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they need it's a nice premium.
Speaker 6: I no, there's banged up as any offensive line out
Speaker 6: there with what they thought they'd have come in and like,
Speaker 6: but Bobby Slowick I kind of like this. It's a
Speaker 6: bit of a Shanahan system. And Stroud did a lot,
Speaker 6: I thought in the last game. But you're right, under construction,
Speaker 6: under construction.
Speaker 2: But also the Colts aren't very good, even if they've
Speaker 2: shown a little bit more than some expected. You don't
Speaker 2: want to amount what was at their home opener to
Speaker 2: be down twenty eight ten to the Colts at the
Speaker 2: half in a game in which the starting quarterback of
Speaker 2: the Colts went out like in the second quarter. Like
Speaker 2: it was a tough start. Yeah, but it's just the start.
Speaker 9: It's fair point that if you're taking moral victories out
Speaker 9: of a two score loss at home to the Colts,
Speaker 9: you've got a ways to go. But this season is
Speaker 9: all about just developing their young players and Collins Dell Stroud.
Speaker 9: If they have a legit passing attack this season like that,
Speaker 9: that's something to hold on.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now here's where it gets said. Number seven, number
Speaker 2: eight on this list.
Speaker 10: Narrowly edging out the last place vote. Guys, the Cardinals.
Speaker 10: There was one three votes, so I think that was
Speaker 10: I had them.
Speaker 6: I had them up at three. I don't know like
Speaker 6: what you had them. I had the Cardinals above the Texans.
Speaker 7: That's fine.
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a big problem. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: I have just one on one notch above and it's like,
Speaker 6: look at like you so you got them at seven. Yeah, everyone,
Speaker 6: Like I think part of it is perception, Like everyone
Speaker 6: assumes like you're doing this like vague like ghost tank
Speaker 6: job snarrow, which you're not. Like the players and coaches
Speaker 6: can't pull it off in the NFL necessarily, But like,
Speaker 6: you've got to lead over the Commanders in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 7: They're spicy to some degree.
Speaker 6: You've got to lead over the Giants, a playoff team
Speaker 6: from a year ago, in the fourth quarter, And like,
Speaker 6: I'm not in love with Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 7: But he played better. He played pretty well in the
Speaker 7: first half against the Giants. Start there.
Speaker 6: Secondly, I think you've got a defense that has disrupted
Speaker 6: quarterbacks two weeks in a row, and I'm labeling them
Speaker 6: as like the third worst team in the NFL.
Speaker 7: So that's not this is not a cell job.
Speaker 6: I just think there's a little bit more going on
Speaker 6: than the Texans.
Speaker 7: They are.
Speaker 2: I mean, they are tanking, and the reason they are
Speaker 2: tanking it's not the players and coach's fault. But that's
Speaker 2: how you give up five score scores in five possessions,
Speaker 2: four touchdowns in a field goal to lose a game
Speaker 2: that's in your back pocket because they don't have enough players,
Speaker 2: they don't have the scheme. And Jonathan Gannon is their
Speaker 2: new head coach. He was the DC of the Eagles.
Speaker 2: Troubling for a meltdown of that of that proportion. Again,
Speaker 2: it's early, but I think because of the lack of talent,
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, I had him at nine, I
Speaker 2: had him buried just because there's just nothing there. And Dobbs,
Speaker 2: I think has played at pretty high level all things considered,
Speaker 2: but what if that comes down a little bit.
Speaker 4: I just think that.
Speaker 5: They're an easier watch than I expected. Like they are,
Speaker 5: They've they've been a little bit more fun. I thought
Speaker 5: it was going to be really, really bleak, and I
Speaker 5: actually enjoyed watching Josh Dobbs like muscle his way into
Speaker 5: the end zone last week.
Speaker 4: He looked really good. I was like, wait, who what
Speaker 4: that's Josh Dobbs.
Speaker 5: And that linebacker that they have, Dennis Gardak, like he's.
Speaker 7: Pretty barbarian, He's pretty good. He's been great.
Speaker 5: So they have a couple bright spots on there, Whereas
Speaker 5: I put the Bears number last.
Speaker 9: And they've like terrible snapp for snap through two games,
Speaker 9: the Cardinals have absolutely played better than the Bears in
Speaker 9: the Texans. I don't know if that's going to continue.
Speaker 9: I don't know if there's much hope, so I put
Speaker 9: him last anyways, But yeah, Dobbs is actually a good
Speaker 9: example of them not tanking. That's the front office. They
Speaker 9: brought him in right before the season. He is miles
Speaker 9: better than I think Colt McCoy or Clayton Tune could
Speaker 9: have been. He's running Deshaun Watson's offense because the same
Speaker 9: coordinator is the last here, you know, as well as
Speaker 9: Shahn Watson, and so that that's them trying to win
Speaker 9: these games. It's not gonna work, I don't think. But
Speaker 9: I think that's fair to point out that they're not
Speaker 9: truly tanky.
Speaker 2: But why didn't they target Josh Dobbs and give him
Speaker 2: a full off season?
Speaker 9: I think well, first of all, he might not have
Speaker 9: been as available U until the Browns. The Browns were
Speaker 9: super impressed by Dorian Thompson Robbinson.
Speaker 7: I think that change.
Speaker 3: I think that was part of it, and.
Speaker 9: They probably were a little hopeful that the guys in
Speaker 9: house Cole and Clayton Tune would have been would have
Speaker 9: been better. But Daniel right, I mean, but it raises
Speaker 9: my point, the whole thing about I know it's a
Speaker 9: side point, but Watson tho, it's like, within two weeks,
Speaker 9: this guy is playing quite well for the Cardinals.
Speaker 6: But but if you're going to bring any quarterback in
Speaker 6: like in late August, like, that's odd your week.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that just is that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Extremely odd.
Speaker 9: It's almost as odd as when the Browns traded their
Speaker 9: Week one starter before week two Charlie Fry in the
Speaker 9: two thousands.
Speaker 2: Well, Derek Anderson almost one off. Its weird, Yeah, dysfunction.
Speaker 2: You could connect those things and in the number of ways. Yes,
Speaker 2: And the Bears. Let's hit on the Bears quickly, because
Speaker 2: we've got to take a break and then we're gonna
Speaker 2: hit some previews. The Bears are a scary mess right now.
Speaker 2: Two losses. The offense is not looking good, the quarterback
Speaker 2: is not looking good or confident.
Speaker 8: Do we have this in two parts?
Speaker 2: Eric, all right, let's listen to Fields talk about the
Speaker 2: early struggles of the offense of the team.
Speaker 11: Of course, you know things that I didn't like. I
Speaker 11: felt like, you know, I wasn't necessarily playing my game.
Speaker 11: I felt like I was kind of robotic and you know,
Speaker 11: not just not playing like myself. So you know, my
Speaker 11: goal this week is just to you know, say effid
Speaker 11: and you go out there and play football. How I
Speaker 11: know how to play football?
Speaker 7: And that's not.
Speaker 11: That includes thinking lesson just going out there and you know,
Speaker 11: playing off the instincts rather than just of you know
Speaker 11: so much. So to say info in my head, died
Speaker 11: in my head and literally just going out there playing football.
Speaker 7: Some code language in there.
Speaker 2: Perhaps let's listen to a little more where it becomes
Speaker 2: even more clear where he's going.
Speaker 4: What do you say thinking last what do you think
Speaker 4: was causing you to think so much?
Speaker 12: Maybe thinks much?
Speaker 11: You know, could be uh coaching. I think, oh, you know,
Speaker 11: at the end of the day, it makes it. You know,
Speaker 11: they're doing their job when they're giving me, you know
Speaker 11: what to look at stuff like that. But at the
Speaker 11: end of the day, I can't be thinking about that
Speaker 11: when the game comes. I prepare myself throughout the week,
Speaker 11: and then when the game comes, it's you know, it's
Speaker 11: it's it's time to play free at that point, So,
Speaker 11: you know, just thinking less and playing more.
Speaker 7: Mmmmmm good.
Speaker 5: Sounds like someone got their nails done in that.
Speaker 2: A lot of typing it's time to I don't have.
Speaker 5: My nails aren't that long anymore, so it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: I cut them.
Speaker 9: I feel like film Twitter has been talking about Justin
Speaker 9: Fields more than any player in the league, and like JT. O. Sullivan,
Speaker 9: who does the QB School, which is great, kind of
Speaker 9: been talking about exactly what Justin Field is talking about.
Speaker 3: Their words. He can see him thinking.
Speaker 9: You can see him thinking through his his steps, his progress,
Speaker 9: and he's just not letting go of the ball. He's
Speaker 9: not always seeing receivers, but when he is seeing it,
Speaker 9: he's not letting it fly. And they haven't been doing
Speaker 9: any designed runs. It's just been very possible, right, It's
Speaker 9: been very confusing. It's almost like they're going to reach
Speaker 9: the same realization they did last year. It's like, let's
Speaker 9: build the whole ship out of the run game here
Speaker 9: and see what happens, because that worked pretty well.
Speaker 8: But they build old play out of a black box now.
Speaker 2: I think that with Fields, Like he said it, he
Speaker 2: said like maybe it's the coaching and he also said
Speaker 2: this week's going to be different. I'm gonna be it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be myself. Is the coaching staff on board
Speaker 2: with that? Is that a conversation they had that or
Speaker 2: is he kind of saying I'm going rogue a little
Speaker 2: bit this week because I don't I don't believe in
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 7: The system that I'm in.
Speaker 4: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting situation, Connie. Yeah, you've said it all.
Speaker 2: You have a fitting to get to. But also a
Speaker 2: little teaser.
Speaker 4: Here, men, stop to take care of back schedule today.
Speaker 2: Uh teaser, Connie is going to have a prominent role
Speaker 2: in our Thursday NFL plus prematorium APU. So make sure
Speaker 2: if you're not checking that show out.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: If you need more Connie in your.
Speaker 7: Life, this is the avenue Thirsday Crematorium.
Speaker 8: Let's play this out into the break.
Speaker 2: We'll be back and hit all the previews for week
Speaker 2: three prime time.
Speaker 5: Bye Connie, Bye, guys.
Speaker 7: There's there's.
Speaker 12: A cash. Don't don't do stupid.
Speaker 8: All right, we are back and we have.
Speaker 2: Four games to talk about prime time on Wednesdays, we
Speaker 2: preview the primetime games. Let's start with Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 2: and it is the New York Giants, big Blue themselves
Speaker 2: after after a stirring comeback win over the Cardinals.
Speaker 7: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had a they had they had to win
Speaker 2: that game. Let's start here. They're going up to San
Speaker 2: Francisco to face a forty nine Ers team that's playing
Speaker 2: as good as any team in football on a short
Speaker 2: week in primetime without most likely their best player, Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2: If they did not win that Cardinals game, this season
Speaker 2: feels like it's dirt nap time. So now you have
Speaker 2: a little you have a little bit to play with here,
Speaker 2: and Greg, you got the ten points spread here. So
Speaker 2: San Francisco a heavy favorite in this game? And is
Speaker 2: there any path? And this is really for Al Michaels
Speaker 2: and Kirk Herbstreet more than anyone else.
Speaker 7: I'm asking this question, is.
Speaker 2: There any path to this game not being a three
Speaker 2: score difference by halftime?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 9: I mean the Los Angeles Rams I thought played the
Speaker 9: forty nine Ers to a draw more or less for
Speaker 9: three quarters. And so why can't the Giants, Well, there
Speaker 9: are many reasons why, but the reason they could keep
Speaker 9: it close would be Danny franchise Danny Dimes. I mean,
Speaker 9: you gave him all that money, he's your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 9: Can he be like a Matthew Stafford that lifts everyone
Speaker 9: around him? He did it against Arizona and everyone will say, Okay,
Speaker 9: it's the Cardinals, and that's a totally fair point. But
Speaker 9: the throws he was making were really high quality throws
Speaker 9: into tight windows. Jalen Hyatt had two impressive catches, so
Speaker 9: you'd like to see more out of him. A rookie
Speaker 9: speedster who kind of changes their offense. Waller had a
Speaker 9: nice game. Danny Dimes even made some defenders miss in
Speaker 9: the open field, which is not usually his bag. I
Speaker 9: know he's a fast runner, but he's not usually like
Speaker 9: an agile runner. I was like, oh, okay, it was
Speaker 9: not familiar with this from Danny Dimes. So their offense
Speaker 9: showed enough in that game that if he can play
Speaker 9: at that level with the receivers they have, it is
Speaker 9: a little deeper they could make this at least.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think like I'm with you, Greg, I think like
Speaker 6: it's which team, uh, Which New York Giants? Is closer
Speaker 6: to reality? The first six quarters we saw from this
Speaker 6: season thought the Cowboys game was a weather game. It
Speaker 6: was a little fluky. The Giants just got caught in
Speaker 6: a vortex or it's like I don't buy that as
Speaker 6: their identity, or they the two quarters where they amassed
Speaker 6: two hundred and ninety four points converted six third yards
Speaker 6: in a row too.
Speaker 7: Yeah, not points that I'd be picking the Giant.
Speaker 6: I would say they would have a chance that they
Speaker 6: scored two hundred and ninety four points in the game.
Speaker 7: But you saw everything that you just mentioned.
Speaker 6: It's like Darren Waller like a summertime delight, like vanished
Speaker 6: early on in the season there were health issues. It's
Speaker 6: like he started to play Hyatt adds this big element
Speaker 6: to your offense.
Speaker 7: Hee that fifty eight yard catch.
Speaker 6: It's like I think Daniel Jones is a top three
Speaker 6: quarterback on the ground, like he really can.
Speaker 7: That element matters.
Speaker 6: And it's like that said, like the Niners have been
Speaker 6: extremely consistent. Brock Perdy has been answered a lot of
Speaker 6: questions like they've got so many weapons, Like I'm not
Speaker 6: in love with the Giants' defense now they did against
Speaker 6: the Cardinals in the first half of that game. It's
Speaker 6: like that version of the Giants gets wiped out on
Speaker 6: the road on Thursday night when teams just lean on
Speaker 6: what they do well or innately.
Speaker 2: Brian Dable was the Coach of the Year last year
Speaker 2: and then Week one just felt so out of place.
Speaker 2: Because you're just in addition to getting horrifically embarrassed at
Speaker 2: home by arrival, they just didn't seem prepared for the moment.
Speaker 2: And but that feels like an outlier because the first half, again, yes,
Speaker 2: I think there's some maybe residual hangover slash. You're going
Speaker 2: down the road and everyone's picking you to win, and
Speaker 2: everyone's saying the Cardinals are the worst team and it
Speaker 2: could go winless or it be the you know, number
Speaker 2: one pick, and all of a sudden they kind of
Speaker 2: punch in the mouth. And I thought that game was
Speaker 2: such a great example again of Dable and the ability
Speaker 2: at halftime to make adjustments. And you're right about Hyatt
Speaker 2: the first what are they first play call, we're getting
Speaker 2: our asses kicked?
Speaker 7: What is it?
Speaker 8: Twenty nothing?
Speaker 2: At halftime and they call a bomb and Hyatt pulls
Speaker 2: it in and almost immediate they score pretty quickly after that,
Speaker 2: the whole scene shifts, And I thought that was another
Speaker 2: thing they added in that they kind of got away
Speaker 2: from in the first half was designed kind of runs
Speaker 2: or option runs for Danny dimes. And once you added
Speaker 2: that in and he was feeling good throwing the ball,
Speaker 2: that's where you see it. You see why the Giants
Speaker 2: game all that money. So the path as we pivot
Speaker 2: over to the Niner side of it, is that Danny
Speaker 2: Dimes carries that confidence and Dable has a game plan
Speaker 2: that is really especially if Barkley's out built around utilizing
Speaker 2: his dual threat abilities. The Niners greg are going to
Speaker 2: be obviously a very difficult opponent because everything has worked
Speaker 2: so far. Brand now Yuka a little dinged up here,
Speaker 2: but Christian McCaffrey looks as good as ever.
Speaker 8: They're gonna be tough to stop.
Speaker 7: They just really are.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that matchup when the forty nine Ers have the
Speaker 9: ball is a little hard to imagine the Giants surviving.
Speaker 9: But through two games, the forty nine Ers are twenty
Speaker 9: ninth in pass blocking. Bertie's been under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 9: They have a new right tackle, Colton mckivitz, who's really
Speaker 9: struggled almost as much as their old right tackle Mike mclinchey,
Speaker 9: who's in Denver and has been one of the worst
Speaker 9: tackles in the league, is struggling, uh with the Broncos.
Speaker 9: So twenty ninth and pass blocking. Can we show up
Speaker 9: Cavon Tivoda. I'm I'm pretty high on Kevon, but he's
Speaker 9: had virtually no impact through through two weeks and the
Speaker 9: rest of their pass.
Speaker 7: I mean twice your age plus a few years. That's concerning, Right.
Speaker 6: You guys are on the way out.
Speaker 7: Wow, that is a deep He really is the worst interview.
Speaker 3: That is. That is not fair. I wasn't there.
Speaker 9: Well, No, Greg, we lived bridge the generational gas.
Speaker 8: That is the most Rosenthal response ever. No, that isn't fair.
Speaker 6: I haven't Dan and he went through that personal Vietnam together.
Speaker 6: You know, well, you were home state side as you
Speaker 6: defend a total stranger football player. Were your buds You're
Speaker 6: supposed to go? Yeah, what's his problem? He was so
Speaker 6: mean to you guys.
Speaker 9: This is what I was talking about. I'm the bad guy,
Speaker 9: you know. I mean, I play the heel. I'm just
Speaker 9: saying when he was here, we were all great friends.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: No wait, he said we were. Just give me something
Speaker 3: cave on because I'm worried there's a more cavan.
Speaker 7: I just that's fun going down memory lane with Kevon Thibodeaux.
Speaker 2: The difference between me and you guys will feel it like,
Speaker 2: once I leave this, you guys are gonna feel like
Speaker 2: you know me and it's not because I'm I want
Speaker 2: to I want to be you guys as friends, but
Speaker 2: it's because I'm afany.
Speaker 3: But you do want to beer problem.
Speaker 7: I don't you were there for that one.
Speaker 3: I thought that was great, great spirit. Yeah, we need more.
Speaker 7: One solo tackle for cave On in two weeks.
Speaker 9: We need more because their linebackers actually have played a
Speaker 9: little better than I expected, but their vulnerable Deontay Banks
Speaker 9: got lit up a little.
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 9: You mentioned might not play in this game because of
Speaker 9: because of his shoulder injury. Sounds like an acy joint
Speaker 9: spring must but.
Speaker 6: There's a matching situation if you're gonna talk about the
Speaker 6: Niners offensive line like the Giants offensive line up until
Speaker 6: there are four touchdown surge in the second half.
Speaker 7: Last week has been a disaster this season.
Speaker 9: Joe Than sacked ten times, and Steve Wilks, you have
Speaker 9: noticed a little difference out of him with forty nine
Speaker 9: ers definitely blitzing more. And he's just had a real
Speaker 9: nice knack in both games of getting free rushers to
Speaker 9: the quarterback.
Speaker 3: So that that's concerning, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Let's and we all like the Niners, I assume
Speaker 2: is Thursday Night's weird though that's one other thing. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's a weird Thursday night situation or watching a game.
Speaker 9: But there's a lot of Giants fans in the Big
Speaker 9: Bell Bottom that that might be about.
Speaker 7: That's a tough travel ask you're going on a Thursday night.
Speaker 6: I just think they've lived at weekend the San Francisco
Speaker 6: and then drive like an hour and twelve minutes together.
Speaker 3: I'm saying they live there.
Speaker 9: They live there, you know the transplants, Oh giants travel
Speaker 9: in that in that stadium is Yeah.
Speaker 3: Often that's a good visiting representation.
Speaker 8: I will say.
Speaker 2: My fear is that this will have a good, healthy
Speaker 2: deficit for the the Giants at halftime again and it
Speaker 2: might not be that easy to come back. But I'd
Speaker 2: like to be wrong. Yeah, where we had on al
Speaker 2: Michael's kirk kurb Street by the way, just I can't
Speaker 2: they can't seem to lock in chemistry wise.
Speaker 7: I don't. I I don't.
Speaker 6: I think I care a little bit less about the
Speaker 6: announcing team than you two seem too. At times they're
Speaker 6: they're kind of vanilla to me. Uh, they don't have
Speaker 6: a deep connection. But I don't think herbs. I think
Speaker 6: people keep people killing herbs Street.
Speaker 3: He's fine, he's fine. He's fine.
Speaker 8: I'm not killing it.
Speaker 6: But I hear people saying like, oh, you could have
Speaker 6: been someone else. It's like, sure, it could have been
Speaker 6: someone else.
Speaker 9: He's fine, he's fine. It's a primetime spot. So if
Speaker 9: you're doing the power rankings of different announcer groups, Al
Speaker 9: helps this group overall, although he's not the same as
Speaker 9: he once was, but they're they're more in the middle.
Speaker 9: And you want the prime times to be the best
Speaker 9: four or five groups, and to me, they're they're more
Speaker 9: in the middle.
Speaker 6: Just a hair as much as he used to about Oh,
Speaker 6: I think he cares. I'm not saying he doesn't. I
Speaker 6: think he's He is one of the top two or
Speaker 6: three guys. Ever, at what he does, it's just like,
Speaker 6: is this a bit of a mail in for the
Speaker 6: whole scenario.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go there.
Speaker 7: I think it's why am I talking? I don't now.
Speaker 6: I said you don't care. I saw anti El Michael.
Speaker 6: I think it's like a legend.
Speaker 2: My moderate hot take is that even if Al isn't
Speaker 2: throwing a ninety eight mile a Howard heat or anymore,
Speaker 2: he could throw ninety two and he could look. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I think Al should still be in the SUNDA and
Speaker 2: a football guy with Chris and I think Tarrico and
Speaker 2: Herb Street maybe even would have been a better team.
Speaker 6: This is like that to Rico a couple years ago.
Speaker 6: I like Rico, Okay, I like just like almore. Al
Speaker 6: to me still is box office and I wish he
Speaker 6: was still on Sunday. I just don't like Thursday Night now.
Speaker 6: Michael's doesn't.
Speaker 9: I will say that, you know, if the prime executives
Speaker 9: are listening, and I know they're huge fans of the show.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I mean I do love me a little
Speaker 9: next Gen Stats feed with Walker on Thursdays. I want
Speaker 9: it on more, more games. I just love that view
Speaker 9: good and you mix it in. It's a fun way
Speaker 9: to watch a game.
Speaker 7: All right, Let's move to Sunday night football.
Speaker 2: It is the Pittsburgh Steelers back in primetime against the
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders. This is at Allegiant Elite Allegiant Allegian Stadium,
Speaker 2: and it's interesting. It's an interesting, interesting spot. You get
Speaker 2: the Raiders here in primetime. It's always a good vibe.
Speaker 2: I think in that building. I like that stadium. I
Speaker 2: like the vibe on primetime games. It's usually pretty hot
Speaker 2: and spicy. Pittsburgh fans are maniacs, so they will travel
Speaker 2: in there. You're gonna get some good vibes in there.
Speaker 2: So I like the idea of the setup here. I
Speaker 2: do not like the way the Raiders played on Sunday.
Speaker 2: They got boat raced by the Bills. However, I don't
Speaker 2: think there are maybe three or four teams in the
Speaker 2: whole league I think that would have went up to
Speaker 2: Buffalo and played well. I think they were kind of
Speaker 2: putting a very bad spot by what happened in Week
Speaker 2: one for Buffalo at the Meadowlands. So then you got
Speaker 2: to figure out mark what's going on with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 8: Is this team?
Speaker 2: They can can put them in your own backyard at
Speaker 2: Akroshore or whatever that is, and with that crowd going
Speaker 2: ape poop, they can still get hot. They can make
Speaker 2: plays on defense and steal a game like they did.
Speaker 2: But are they going to travel and is this offense
Speaker 2: which has been a major question mark, are they going
Speaker 2: to be able to do enough on the road in
Speaker 2: this spot?
Speaker 7: Yes, I think they can.
Speaker 6: I mean, if we're gonna make an argument for the
Speaker 6: Giants against the Niners.
Speaker 7: I absolutely think that Pittsburgh, he didn't really.
Speaker 6: By the way, well, we're looking for ways they can
Speaker 6: you know, puncture on the road, and like I think,
Speaker 6: I think that the Raiders are very vulnerable. When I
Speaker 6: trusted the Raiders or began to trust them a year ago,
Speaker 6: it was based on, you know, a ground game that
Speaker 6: a couple of times. Well, but I'm saying why I
Speaker 6: trusted the Raiders. Here goes I got when they punctured
Speaker 6: people on the ground, like in two games they ran
Speaker 6: for sixty one yards in the in Week one, you know,
Speaker 6: in a win over a pretty flat line Denver Broncos
Speaker 6: team and fifty five against the Bills, and Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 6: who should be the centerpiece of your offense, doesn't show up,
Speaker 6: concerns me. Their offensive line, which they did very little
Speaker 6: to change over the course of the offseason, concerns me.
Speaker 6: And you're gonna get this version of Jimmy g in
Speaker 6: a post Kyle Shanahan universe that's throwing throwing interceptions like
Speaker 6: they march down the field against Buffalo for that opening
Speaker 6: touchdown and then no showed the rest of the game.
Speaker 6: I just I don't trust them to absolutely just take
Speaker 6: care of.
Speaker 3: Thegain to do it.
Speaker 7: No, because these are two strange teams.
Speaker 2: Nobody's saying that the Raiders are expected to take care
Speaker 2: of business here.
Speaker 9: The version of shockingly favored by two and a half.
Speaker 9: Maybe that shouldn't be shocked as.
Speaker 7: Shocking at home.
Speaker 8: That's a very I feel like shocked.
Speaker 9: I think the Steelers are significantly I would better, I would.
Speaker 8: Say based on what we've seen.
Speaker 2: Just what we've seen from the Steelers, there's I don't
Speaker 2: see a lot of reasons because you're not going to
Speaker 2: score fourteen points of their.
Speaker 7: Defense very often I've seen it.
Speaker 8: I am very.
Speaker 2: Concerned about their ability to go on the road and
Speaker 2: score points. Like what confidence should we have to take
Speaker 2: out of those first one weeks?
Speaker 9: It's partly matchup base. They played the forty nine ers
Speaker 9: in Browns. There is not much confidence. Well, Kenny Pickett
Speaker 9: needs to calm down. Those are two top three defenses
Speaker 9: so far. Yeah, but their defense is it's so helpless.
Speaker 9: Though it's a division defense too that that knows them.
Speaker 3: But he shouldn't be this bad.
Speaker 9: He's he's thirty first the in PFF in terms of
Speaker 9: their grades in a clean pocket, I thought That was
Speaker 9: interesting because it shows it's not all about the pass protection.
Speaker 9: When they've protected Kenny Pickett, he's looked a little lost,
Speaker 9: and Troy was quite hard on him. Whenever Troy's hard
Speaker 9: on the QBS, it's on my radar because he knows
Speaker 9: and I don't think he wants to be. But he
Speaker 9: was more or less saying Picket is scrambled right now,
Speaker 9: and I don't think the coordinator helps him. And this
Speaker 9: is a much easier matchup, and they they should be better.
Speaker 9: But I came into this year more worried that, Hey,
Speaker 9: Mike Tomlin, we've been waiting for a special Steelers defense
Speaker 9: actually for a while. If you get it, this could
Speaker 9: be a really good team. Their defense has been special,
Speaker 9: or it was last week certainly, uh, And I think
Speaker 9: they can hold Vegas down, but I'm just worried about
Speaker 9: where where Pickett's head is at. This is the easier matchup, though.
Speaker 2: Put it this way, if the Steelers' offense tanks this week,
Speaker 2: you're very concerned, like it's it, it becomes a panic situation.
Speaker 6: Well, you could have a coordinator switch at some point,
Speaker 6: like Tomlin is now getting asked about Matt Canada regularly
Speaker 6: and like what is special about Matt?
Speaker 7: Literally?
Speaker 2: I hate when the good blame like this, Like we
Speaker 2: just said that from a clean pocket, pickets not playing well,
Speaker 2: like but is it really like? And then and if
Speaker 2: every if Matt Canna is bad is like here on
Speaker 2: this podcast every year like Tomlin thought him well enough
Speaker 2: to keep him in the building. It was surprising and
Speaker 2: they looked spectacular this summer and through the preseason, and
Speaker 2: now it's his fault.
Speaker 9: Well, I think he was the most surprising coordinator to
Speaker 9: be retained by any team. I think it was almost
Speaker 9: a FATA complee among Steelers fans and observers that he
Speaker 9: was going to go at the end of last year,
Speaker 9: and then they rallied and I think that saved his job. Offensively, uh,
Speaker 9: he's going against an offense a defense though that's not
Speaker 9: getting any pressure right now. Max Crosby is all worldly,
Speaker 9: but you saw last week the Bills did everything possible
Speaker 9: to try to take him out. He's still got his hurries,
Speaker 9: but no one else is to Taylor Jones still Stanlor Jones.
Speaker 9: We haven't heard any update. I'd be surprised if he
Speaker 9: returns to this team. Tyree Wilson is a top ten pick.
Speaker 9: He's had forty seven pressures. I mean it's forty seven
Speaker 9: pass rush snaps this year. Dan, would you like to
Speaker 9: guess how many in terms of pass rush win rate
Speaker 9: he has won?
Speaker 7: Oh, this doesn't say forty seven.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say four percent.
Speaker 3: Zero.
Speaker 7: Okay, he's trying to be nice.
Speaker 3: He's oh for forty seven.
Speaker 9: He has a hurry, But if you go watch the hurry,
Speaker 9: it's just, uh, he loses the rep pretty clearly. And
Speaker 9: at one point, after like four seconds, Russell Wilson's just
Speaker 9: kind of runs over to his side and I guess
Speaker 9: that can.
Speaker 7: I love about you, Greg, Yeah, you check that out.
Speaker 9: I did want to see that one hurry and then
Speaker 9: I saw that zero percent. I mean that's and then
Speaker 9: they got this other guy, Malcolm Coons. They got it's tough.
Speaker 9: They said he was not much of a pastor.
Speaker 6: Het reporters said that he was gassed in week one,
Speaker 6: like wasn't really looking to be in great shape either.
Speaker 6: So that's a concerning first round pick. I would say
Speaker 6: this about Pittsburgh. You played the Niners, you played the
Speaker 6: Browns like again, top defens is like you got the Raiders,
Speaker 6: you got the Texans, a week from now. Let's see
Speaker 6: where we are off the week four with Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 6: I just I think this was late. Need this for
Speaker 6: your twelve wins.
Speaker 3: Well to the.
Speaker 6: Twelve win thing is like what You're one and one,
Speaker 6: so it's not impossible, but like they're not looking the
Speaker 6: way I thought they would expect from Kenny Pickett on down.
Speaker 9: I also want to keep an eye on Jimmy and
Speaker 9: Davante just he's getting the ball to him. Davante looks
Speaker 9: like Davante, but there's nothing over twenty yards, you know.
Speaker 9: I think of DeVante, I think a big place that's
Speaker 9: not really Jimmy's thing, and so that's just something to
Speaker 9: watch because the catches Davante's making are like, I feel
Speaker 9: like he's getting blasted every time he gets.
Speaker 2: It, where those like Crosser, Yeah, he's a gazelle just
Speaker 2: going diagonally toward the end zone.
Speaker 7: Would see some of that stuff would be nice.
Speaker 2: You're right though, at Vegas at Houston, plenty of time
Speaker 2: to figure this out on offense.
Speaker 7: But let's see it.
Speaker 9: I like the Steelers to win this straight up two
Speaker 9: and a half point dogs. I do get what the
Speaker 9: Sunday Night people are doing here, though, I was like,
Speaker 9: this is the Sunday Naked, it's week three, it's early
Speaker 9: before the records are crazy if it happens to you,
Speaker 9: and these are two of the biggest audiences you got that.
Speaker 7: Vegas, Baby Vegas.
Speaker 2: That's the way they think about those things. All Right,
Speaker 2: Monday night got two games, Mark, this has been a
Speaker 2: tough Sessler week. You have been pretty fired up behind
Speaker 2: the scenes about a number of things. That night, I was,
Speaker 2: But on Monday you were, I would say, based on
Speaker 2: tax alone, fairly furious about having to watch two games
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 6: So if I were just like out on the town, right,
Speaker 6: I'd be fine with two games on it once or
Speaker 6: ten on it once. But like, this is more of
Speaker 6: a personal work preparation type thing, which is like if
Speaker 6: you know, if you have a job you hate, like
Speaker 6: you're saying, shut up, you get to go do this,
Speaker 6: So I get it.
Speaker 7: So I hate.
Speaker 6: Complaining about the role in general. But it's like when
Speaker 6: you have two games on it once, like and we're
Speaker 6: we're trying to take notes on both games, make observations
Speaker 6: because we're going to talk about it ten minutes later.
Speaker 6: It's like, you know, you don't have a full night
Speaker 6: to go rewatch the kind of thing. So it's like,
Speaker 6: this is like Sundays at ten am here on the
Speaker 6: West Coast when you got ten games exploding. I've got
Speaker 6: an ear piece from one game, yep in one ear
Speaker 6: and then the other. And so you've got multiple commercials
Speaker 6: for both feeds happening, you got facts and figures flying,
Speaker 6: you got two Yeah, trying to watch both things at
Speaker 6: the same time. So I can like, I know Greg's
Speaker 6: has just turned the sound off on one, but like
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 7: I like to process visually, and like here trying to
Speaker 7: drive yourself games each year thing after we get out
Speaker 7: of Sunday's crazy.
Speaker 6: It's crazy, but like on Monday choice, but we're used
Speaker 6: to on Monday night having like one game and it's
Speaker 6: like I can either watch it alone with friends and
Speaker 6: like take notes and we do our show after, and
Speaker 6: it's like this, there's something peaceful about focusing on one event.
Speaker 6: And so when you're giving me two at the same
Speaker 6: time and you're you're doing this on Monday night, I
Speaker 6: don't know who's winning because by the way, you're pairing
Speaker 6: typically a good game with in these two weeks, the
Speaker 6: second game, the second Monday night game is clearly a
Speaker 6: lower card, a lower bill, and I got to deal
Speaker 6: with Panthers Saints while I'm trying to watch Brown Steelers
Speaker 6: get out of my hair.
Speaker 9: It's interesting though they care they flipped which game is
Speaker 9: on ABC because that I think the Eagles game egles Buck.
Speaker 9: The earlier game is this week because this week if
Speaker 9: if Joe Burrow is healthy, they're both fun games. They're
Speaker 9: both pretty good games. But Joe, but.
Speaker 6: No one expected the Rams to be like the Rams
Speaker 6: came in as a lower billing.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you're right. I'm with you.
Speaker 9: I don't need to hear about the guy who's selling
Speaker 9: windows at a lesser expensive cost because his dad.
Speaker 3: Did you know that? Right?
Speaker 6: That commercial is happening twice at the same time, and
Speaker 6: if at that the apartment window opened, I would jump out.
Speaker 3: I just like I would.
Speaker 9: I liked when they did the Monday Nights where they
Speaker 9: were at different times. That's all one at a time, right, But.
Speaker 7: I'd be fine with that.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying more football.
Speaker 7: Oh it's more football, So it's like I get it.
Speaker 6: It's great, but it's just like when you're trying to
Speaker 6: hit your basically coming at me with two snowstorms.
Speaker 2: A couple of things, A couple of things. This is
Speaker 2: all great. I understand where you come from.
Speaker 7: You've you've had words about it.
Speaker 2: You've so oh, I'm with you. So I'm with you too.
Speaker 2: One thing. I'll throw this out there. Yeah, Monday Night football.
Speaker 2: One of the games, the main game quote unquote Steelers
Speaker 2: Browns may be a little bit heightened Mark Sessler in
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 2: And so the fact that there's this second game is
Speaker 2: leading to a level of agitation that maybe takes Greg
Speaker 2: and Dana back a little bit. And then you start,
Speaker 2: you know, piecing together some of the the logic. You know,
Speaker 2: the legos start clicking together. Yeah, Okay. The other part
Speaker 2: is and this is pulling back the curtain. My beloved
Speaker 2: puppy Captain gets clipped by a car in the middle.
Speaker 7: Of this game. Terrible.
Speaker 2: So I'm racing the dog to the vet and thankfully,
Speaker 2: by the grace of goad, he just got kind of
Speaker 2: banged on the snout and he had a laceration on
Speaker 2: his nose and he got stitches.
Speaker 7: And the driver just took off, by the way, right.
Speaker 2: Didn't run piece. I'll find you up. You're going down yep, Okay,
Speaker 2: but let's stay on topic. So I let you guys
Speaker 2: know that, Hey, guys, I'm disconnected from both these games.
Speaker 7: I'm at the vet. Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh And and the first the first text is mark
Speaker 2: from you. That's terrible. We'll handle tonight. That's I think
Speaker 2: trying to handle that, and we'll handle this. Yeah, love it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's not just a great colleague, it's
Speaker 7: a great friend. Yea.
Speaker 2: Then some things go sideways in Cleveland world. And there
Speaker 2: are twelve consecutive texts on this thread while I'm in
Speaker 2: the waiting room waiting to find out if my dog's
Speaker 2: gonna live. I didn't know how serious it was at first,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I don't need to read these.
Speaker 7: I don't remember what I wrote. Do you want to
Speaker 7: throw in a couple of great I don't, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to read it.
Speaker 9: This is like it's PTSD for me too. Even though
Speaker 9: I didn't have the dog situation, I was trying to.
Speaker 9: I was do live on on Channel five in the UK,
Speaker 9: doing the game, trying to have fun. It's a long
Speaker 9: day for alls with very emotional right and I'm starting
Speaker 9: to feel this market gee, I'm sinking me down and
Speaker 9: I don't want that.
Speaker 7: I well, I apologize for that. Greg. I forgot that
Speaker 7: you were on live television in another country.
Speaker 8: So one guy's on live TV.
Speaker 2: The other guy's on the vet, crossing his fingers that
Speaker 2: his dog still has a pulse.
Speaker 7: And then you got me. It started out good.
Speaker 6: I was a good professional out of the gate, and
Speaker 6: then it went south. It can't it's hard to you know.
Speaker 3: You know what, though it was showtime, great attitude shows up.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely, very great, very good attitude.
Speaker 2: It's like, sir, we're now ready to give you the
Speaker 2: information based on our tests about your dog and potential
Speaker 2: fatal internal injuries. Oh hold on one second, I've got
Speaker 2: seventeen text in row. Must be a major emergency. Oh
Speaker 2: never mind, Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 7: All right, it's very fair. It's very fair.
Speaker 2: You're very passionate. That's the mask slipped a little bit there.
Speaker 2: That's all to say the least.
Speaker 9: Your passion is what makes you excellent, though, so you
Speaker 9: don't want to take away.
Speaker 3: It's like Josh Allen's playmaking.
Speaker 9: It's like that's a good You're going to get some interceptions,
Speaker 9: but you don't want to take that away.
Speaker 8: From anybody else.
Speaker 2: Anybody else is sending texts like that, knowing the situation
Speaker 2: I was in, I have an issue with it with you.
Speaker 7: I was like, I know why. I also on my
Speaker 7: phone because.
Speaker 2: It was the Nick Chubb night, and I said, I
Speaker 2: get it, you did, and you just want to shout
Speaker 2: it at something or connect with somebody about how unfair.
Speaker 7: And cruel the world can be. Yep, I got it.
Speaker 6: And I know you're quizzing me always about the Browns
Speaker 6: Fantom thing and like they're but something clicked in that
Speaker 6: night when that happened, and then you're losing on national
Speaker 6: television for like the eight hundredth time in my life
Speaker 6: to the Pittsburgh Steelers on primetime and everyone's giggling and
Speaker 6: laughing and your season's gone down the toilet. I started
Speaker 6: to get agitated and it started to dwell up of
Speaker 6: old emotions. Then it's like, what I'm gonna do. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna text my coworkers angry and Ray.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna take my misery and you're gonna be part
Speaker 9: of this credit to them.
Speaker 7: But that's I get that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been there, Yes, my friend.
Speaker 7: Only a week ago.
Speaker 6: You were there, so I if anything, now understand more
Speaker 6: where you were a week ago?
Speaker 2: So I was the Rogers thing straight up catatonic, So
Speaker 2: there was no text thing.
Speaker 8: Don't text me, I'm not texting anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been in that state as well, more of
Speaker 2: a rageful state.
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 6: In the Rogers thing, we knew Greg and I like
Speaker 6: unspoken did we text you? Oh that's so terrible, what
Speaker 6: a terrible you guys got it too, total silences. We
Speaker 6: know what's going on there.
Speaker 7: Nailed it. Let's get to these games.
Speaker 2: So there's two games again Jesus Christ for Heaven's sake,
Speaker 2: but no, and it's happening again fourteen So last this once, uh,
Speaker 2: this year they're doing three times, and I do fear
Speaker 2: for you Mark that if they If it was once
Speaker 2: last year, it's three times this year.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this this tank has no reverse gears, and
Speaker 9: I think it's going on.
Speaker 6: That's probably where my agitation. That's it's like it's net.
Speaker 6: They never retract. The idea just grows and compounds the.
Speaker 2: Amount of eye Oh high high Pandora's box if it
Speaker 2: opens and demons.
Speaker 7: Fly out, Yeah, ruining our primetime follow.
Speaker 2: Mark and the Covenant, Philadelphia, Eagles at Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: Yes, game two teams.
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, this is a great this is great. You
Speaker 8: know why I like this.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, of course I'm not as high on
Speaker 2: Baker's chances this season, but it's undeniable that Baker Mayfield
Speaker 2: has played well for the better part of I would
Speaker 2: say the last six quarters. Shaky first half in Week one,
Speaker 2: great in the second half, played very good football last
Speaker 2: week got ten, but by two and zero. I love it. Next,
Speaker 2: so you have two things that are great here. You
Speaker 2: have a great Philadelphia defense, defending conference champions, but you're
Speaker 2: sending him on the road, and you have Baker in
Speaker 2: one of his little Baker zones. And I just think
Speaker 2: one way or the other Baker zone. Yeah, one way
Speaker 2: or the other, it's going to be explosive.
Speaker 7: It's either gonna be feeling pretty dangerous.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be Baker like exploding like a firework or
Speaker 2: going up in flames like a dumpster fire, where that
Speaker 2: confidence is either going to betray him or it's gonna
Speaker 2: take this team even higher. And then everyone's talking about
Speaker 2: the Bucks on Tuesday morning.
Speaker 9: I am really excited for this game for that reason too,
Speaker 9: And I'm hopeful there could be a middle ground. And
Speaker 9: I've never been a big Baker guy. I think he's
Speaker 9: been very frustrating to watch. But what I've liked about
Speaker 9: him this year is with this offense and people saying, oh,
Speaker 9: you know, it takes a long time, he he looks
Speaker 9: more comfortable in this offense than I've seen him in
Speaker 9: a really long time. On time showing in anticipation. That's
Speaker 9: what I've never really seen, not a Baker like throwing
Speaker 9: the ball before the receivers make their cuts. And when
Speaker 9: you have Godwin and Evans, you can really trust in
Speaker 9: those guys and that maybe there is a balance where
Speaker 9: they don't win this game. And he's not sensational, but
Speaker 9: he's okay, he's solid. Because if if that's the Baker
Speaker 9: we get this year, and that's the one we've seen
Speaker 9: so far, I think they're a fun team to watch,
Speaker 9: and there are some spots in this Eagles defense you
Speaker 9: can attack. Their off ball linebackers are not great in coverage,
Speaker 9: and they lost Avonte Maddox their slot corner, and who.
Speaker 3: Is his backup.
Speaker 9: It was a guy Zach Macpherson who's also out for
Speaker 9: the season. So they're they around their third slot corner.
Speaker 9: They're you know, the middle of the field is a
Speaker 9: little mushy there, and I think the e Buck's gonna
Speaker 9: attack him that way.
Speaker 7: I really like.
Speaker 6: What Philadelphia did on the ground last week after they
Speaker 6: got they've been they I think them coming out of
Speaker 6: the gates slow has been one of the more surprising
Speaker 6: elements of the season.
Speaker 7: You have a double coordinator switch.
Speaker 6: I thought on offense there'd be a lot of seamless
Speaker 6: transition because he was the QB coach a year ago.
Speaker 7: He's known jail and hurts for so long.
Speaker 6: But last year in a or last week in a jam,
Speaker 6: like to come out and run for two hundred and
Speaker 6: fifty nine yards, to own the ball for twenty one
Speaker 6: minutes in the first half, and really like the Vikings
Speaker 6: climb back into that. But it's you're doing that on
Speaker 6: offense and then on defense they completely two weeks in
Speaker 6: a row. Patriots held to seventy six yards on the
Speaker 6: ground Vikings twenty eight. The Vikings were a one dimensional attack.
Speaker 6: So if you can take Tampa's offense and make it
Speaker 6: they're not a great run team to be in with,
Speaker 6: but make them very one dimensional and put a lot
Speaker 6: of it on Baker Mayfield and you got guys like
Speaker 6: Jail and Carter looking fantastic out of the gate as
Speaker 6: a rookie. Like, I think this is a situation where
Speaker 6: we see Philadelphia starting to come into their own and
Speaker 6: heat up, and the Baker thing, I'm with you, it's
Speaker 6: been impressive, but like, do we trust that to continue?
Speaker 6: Do we trust the Bucks continue? His connection with the
Speaker 6: Mike Evans though, has been very special, Like when we
Speaker 6: talk about Devonte Adams and Jimmy g Like, Baker and
Speaker 6: Evans have done a better job than Tom Brady and
Speaker 6: Evans did a year ago.
Speaker 3: Evans looks better. I won't lock this game that.
Speaker 9: I thought about it for a second and I was like, no,
Speaker 9: you know, I'm giving the I'm giving the Bowls Sons
Speaker 9: enough credit. Where he's going against a quarterback that's struggling.
Speaker 9: To me, that's the number one story in this game.
Speaker 9: It's one of the number one stories in the NFL
Speaker 9: so far this season that Jalen Hurts has looked uncomfortable,
Speaker 9: little indecisive just when he's back there in the pocket.
Speaker 9: They haven't really used the quarterback run game either. That
Speaker 9: might they might go back to that but they've they
Speaker 9: kind of started the season not doing that and he
Speaker 9: just hasn't. He hasn't been as decisive. And Bowls is
Speaker 9: a great test.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 9: This is the Bucks team that really made him struggle
Speaker 9: in that playoff game and had everyone wondering if Jalen
Speaker 9: Hurts could really make a jump going into last season,
Speaker 9: and he did it.
Speaker 3: And Bowles will throw a lot at you.
Speaker 9: And I think that's a good challenge for Hurts early
Speaker 9: in the season when he's he's definitely not playing that
Speaker 9: well through two games. Only two games, but it's two games.
Speaker 9: It's quite surprised.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I am
Speaker 6: gonna do it. Oh wow, I'm locking up the Eagles
Speaker 6: on the road.
Speaker 7: This could be fatal. I'm owing to in the low
Speaker 7: You're you're a wounded animal yourself. Yeah, and the Locks
Speaker 7: need this. I'm a tense I'm a tenth team on
Speaker 7: that list. But here's the thing, because I I was
Speaker 7: thinking the other.
Speaker 6: You imagine me if I lose my lock on Monday
Speaker 6: night while two Monday night games are happening, this timmer I.
Speaker 7: Made Oh no, no, oh god no. And it's the
Speaker 7: earlier the earlier game.
Speaker 2: My thought here is I like the Eagles bringing the
Speaker 2: Bucks down to earth.
Speaker 7: Here, what's the spread? Is it even lockerwer in a half?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I don't want to root against Baker. I I
Speaker 2: don't want to be like, oh god, I don't want
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 7: I hope he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't continue playing well because I want a fun, like
Speaker 2: crazy game. I'm staying away from time time this week.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a lock on the Sunday games.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Uh, let's just get back to that world.
Speaker 2: But you will be now actively rooting against Baker, which
Speaker 2: I know you always like Baker.
Speaker 7: So that's a toughie. You're in it.
Speaker 2: You're in an interesting spot yourself here.
Speaker 7: I don't see it as a it's a lot of
Speaker 7: energy anti Baker.
Speaker 3: I fear.
Speaker 9: I fear for Monday Night. Maybe take there. I will
Speaker 9: not take that dan catatonic approach.
Speaker 6: I vowed Greg, I will not text you at all
Speaker 6: on Monday.
Speaker 7: Now, it's fine, I will not. You're on live television
Speaker 7: in another nations, Fine, all right.
Speaker 8: The other Monday Night game.
Speaker 2: Is the Cincinnati Bengals at home against the LA Rams.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, the Mangles zero and two.
Speaker 2: It really helps schedule wise, a little bit of a
Speaker 2: break here that Burrow is getting another day here, and
Speaker 2: maybe that that helps. We shall see if Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: plays or not. If Joe Burrow doesn't play, I mean,
Speaker 2: who's Jake Browning?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I no think if he didn't play, I don't
Speaker 9: know if we'll have this information. I think I'd lock
Speaker 9: up the Rams, but at this point I'm not going
Speaker 9: to do that.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, like, because of the catastrophe with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, we have a whole bunch of jacked at
Speaker 2: primetime games coming up on the schedule. I do not
Speaker 2: need to see the backup quarterback of the Bengals on
Speaker 2: Monday Night.
Speaker 8: So let's just hope Burrow plays.
Speaker 2: And you know what, I'd like to see like a
Speaker 2: gutty Burrow effort where he kind of shreds and I
Speaker 2: think he can against the Rams in this spot.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he can too. I think his struggles
Speaker 9: were overstated last week. There was a couple drives early
Speaker 9: and they just didn't have the ball much where there's
Speaker 9: a drop and guy was out of bounds.
Speaker 3: I think Burrow played well.
Speaker 9: I think it was a pretty normal Burrow game aside
Speaker 9: from the interception that's a big that's a big aside.
Speaker 9: He doesn't throw many red zone interceptions, but I think
Speaker 9: he played well. And I don't think this Rams defense
Speaker 9: is as much as they're doing as well as they
Speaker 9: can and they think they found a couple of rookies
Speaker 9: they liked in Kobe Turner and Byron Young.
Speaker 3: That's what the seede's all about.
Speaker 9: I think they're going to be a bottom ten defense
Speaker 9: at best, but I think they're Quarterback Matthew Stafford's playing
Speaker 9: so fast right now, making decisions quickly, and he's on
Speaker 9: the same page with Puka. He's like sending the same
Speaker 9: little pre snap signals to Puka that he would do
Speaker 9: with Robert Woods. We've been comparing Puka to Cooper Cup,
Speaker 9: but our friend Jordan rod Rigg's been comparing him to
Speaker 9: Robert Woods. And she's smarter when it comes to a
Speaker 9: lot of things, but definitely the Rams, and I think
Speaker 9: that makes sense that he's sort of in that Robert
Speaker 9: Woods's role, and man, I love that, and I love
Speaker 9: Stafford against his defense, who hasn't had any pass rush
Speaker 9: through two weeks. That's what I mean about the Bengals
Speaker 9: where I was like, just like a little like, huh,
Speaker 9: what's going on with the Bengals? Really got steamrolled last
Speaker 9: week defensively.
Speaker 2: I also but we like we like Captain Lou Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did get it together?
Speaker 8: Are we like?
Speaker 2: I just think it's it could sometimes be deceiving, especially
Speaker 2: given the offense is funk and why it probably isn't
Speaker 2: such a funk that I'm just not.
Speaker 7: I feel like they're gonna kick.
Speaker 9: It might be right that we're overreacting, but if he's
Speaker 9: not playing in this game, then they could be zero
Speaker 9: and three, and that's that's a problem.
Speaker 6: I it's that injury just concerns me because it's just
Speaker 6: seems like there's such a realistic chance that that nags
Speaker 6: him all year.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: I kind of agree with Greg on some of the
Speaker 6: Zach Taylor critique because, yeah, you taking a T into
Speaker 6: a super Bowl, but this is two years in a
Speaker 6: row where like you've come out of the gate real slow,
Speaker 6: and it isn't all because of Burrow's health. It's you
Speaker 6: can't just pin it all on his calf and like
Speaker 6: that you put your team's been.
Speaker 7: All right, that's it. What I wasn't gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna move to Sundays, but Joseph Burrow plays
Speaker 2: this football game, and that's the coat I am locking
Speaker 2: up the Bengals.
Speaker 8: I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear Captain Louslander Zach Tayler is up.
Speaker 2: Bum don't want to hear it. Joe Burrow will ever
Speaker 2: be the same this year. I'm I know what this
Speaker 2: team is made of. They are a tough bunch of
Speaker 2: tough sbs and they are not gonna lose in their
Speaker 2: building and go zero to three under any circumstances if
Speaker 2: that man is on the field at quarterback.
Speaker 8: So yes, give me the Bengals Cincinnati Zoo on.
Speaker 3: The same time decision.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what if it's a scenario where you've not locked
Speaker 6: the game all week and then you've locked the Bengals
Speaker 6: and then Burrow on we find out it's sick tough sitch.
Speaker 7: I'm in a tough stitch. You could flip over to
Speaker 7: the Eagles, I guess if you If.
Speaker 2: If it comes down to that, I'll have to do
Speaker 2: obviously an emergency pivot to the earlier game.
Speaker 8: But I don't want to do.
Speaker 6: If there's such a tough team, why would you not
Speaker 6: lock them up with or without Brow?
Speaker 2: I guess they have a top three quarterback in the
Speaker 2: whole league. I mean, is uh is more of a
Speaker 2: It's a good question.
Speaker 8: It's fair.
Speaker 7: It's fair to say that talked about the whole roster,
Speaker 7: not just you're right.
Speaker 2: And yet I can't. I just can't ride with Jake.
Speaker 7: Can't ride with Jake.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 9: I mean that would be crazier than what the Westling
Speaker 9: brothers did last week. In my humble opinion, the Rams
Speaker 9: have been a better team through two weeks than the Bengals,
Speaker 9: and then you throw Jake Brownie in there, forget about it.
Speaker 7: And if if.
Speaker 2: There's some discouraging reports come out in the next three
Speaker 2: or four days, I can get ahead of it and
Speaker 2: maybe moved back to Sunday.
Speaker 7: We'll see.
Speaker 2: But right now I think Joe barring a setback, even
Speaker 2: from where he was Sunday. He's thinking, I cannot not
Speaker 2: be on the field of my guys when we need
Speaker 2: this ball game.
Speaker 7: I believe it's about heart too. I like your luck.
Speaker 7: It's about her.
Speaker 2: We get hired, we gotta go. Hey, so again, thank
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