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Speaker 1: show that that that that ride it out is is

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it's about leadership or policy or

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg N one. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about the situation in Virginia with Virginia's embattled governor Ralph Northam.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with All star journalist Al Weaver. Jesse Hunt,

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Speaker 1: former NRCC National Press secretary and former spokesman to Jeb

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Speaker 1: Bush's presidential campaign, Jeb Up to Jesse, Jeb is enjoying

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Speaker 1: life in Miami, back working with his son, doing consulting work,

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Speaker 1: and continuing to be a leading voice on education reform.

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Speaker 1: I love how you just said enjoying life back in Miami,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I want to go to Miami. It's

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Speaker 1: an amazing place. You've got great Cuban food. What's that

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Speaker 1: And Jennifer Holdsworth, Democratic strategist, UH, Senior vice president of

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Speaker 1: I mean, first, I just want to point out that

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Speaker 1: how nostalgic I am for the Bush family. Wow, it is. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it still surprises me on a daily basis, how fundly. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I remember all the Bushes when you know,

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Speaker 1: room if you brought them up, just stink ten years

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Speaker 1: or now you might be saying that about President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I hope not, because that means that something

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Speaker 1: much worse is happening. What are you going to What

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Speaker 1: were you going to say about Virginia? No? I I

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Speaker 1: just think that, you know, Democrats are in a really

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Speaker 1: hard place right now. I see all over the Twitter

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Speaker 1: eating their own and you know they're gonna, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: fire their own people and force them to resign. And

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Speaker 1: the answer is yes. The reason why we come so

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Speaker 1: hard for even our own is because we want to

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Speaker 1: to try to go out of our way to stick

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Speaker 1: when that means that we're gonna lose. I never give

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Speaker 1: my opinion, but I will say ultimately, these things get

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Speaker 1: decided at the ballot box. I do want to get

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Speaker 1: back to policy, though, Uh, particularly what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, Jennifer, your party? Uh, and on the environment,

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Speaker 1: because Congresswoman Alexandria Acasio Cortes announcing the New Green Deal initiative,

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Speaker 1: said earlier today with the New Green Deal. Take a listen.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is a leader on climate, has always been

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Speaker 1: a leader on climate, and I will not allow our

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Speaker 1: caucus to be divided up by silly notions of whatever narrative.

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Speaker 1: We are in this together, Jennifer, your reaction to that

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Speaker 1: sound But she says she doesn't want to divide divide

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Speaker 1: quite Do you think she means it? I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think she means it? This? This

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Speaker 1: and that just doesn't appear to be something that the

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Speaker 1: on these issues. It's interesting, though, because, I mean, she

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Speaker 1: It's it. It isn't that's a yeah. I mean, like look,

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Speaker 1: But in terms of policy and how she's been able

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Speaker 1: same vein as a Senator Sanders, Senator Warren. But I

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Speaker 1: I do want to note what Speaker Pelosi told Politico U,

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Speaker 1: Green New Deal, the Green Dream or whatever they call it.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows what it is, but therefore it right. Jenniver

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Speaker 1: I don't think Speaker Pelosi is really concerning herself with

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Speaker 1: the speaker because more than thirty three quote unquote moderates

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Speaker 1: very few. So we're going to talk about instituting progressive policy,

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Speaker 1: the standard position for nearly every House Democrat that won

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Speaker 1: I think Alexander Casti, Cutez and other Justice Democrats are

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Speaker 1: Cassio Cortez could be the only person that would usurp

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Speaker 1: There's one thing I've just kind of noticed over the

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously you had the shutdown and you had

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Speaker 1: really been able to keep them. And that's one thing

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Speaker 1: Bayinner and Ryan were not able to do with the

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Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus for years, and they still struggle with that.

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Speaker 1: You know. I do want to note h on an

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Speaker 1: entirely different note that Acting Attorney General Matt Whittaker said

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Speaker 1: uh yeah. Also, I mean, I just we were talking

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Speaker 1: Simpson says he's not impressed with Roger Stone's uh antics.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our panel, Jesse. I didn't even get

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Speaker 1: to shade you speaking of shade about the patriots, but

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Speaker 1: congrats on that whin. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to

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