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Speaker 1: Welcome to JAS Drive Johnny bye from the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Now it's to get

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Speaker 1: things started. Here's your host, j P. Shadleys Downtown Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: sets Monument Circle just a few blocks away from Lucas

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Speaker 1: Oil Stadium and across the street from there the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Convention Center. And welcome inside at JAGGS Drivetime, j P. Shadrick.

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Speaker 1: John Osier is coming up. We've got a busy show ahead.

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Speaker 1: We'll review Doug Peterson and Trent Balky. They both spoke

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Speaker 1: with the media at the podium here in Indie yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Some highlights of their comments coming up, Sentia Freeland of

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Speaker 1: NFL Network at eleven thirty today, we open it Today's

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Speaker 1: show with one of the greats in the business with

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Speaker 1: NFL media since twenty thirteen. That followed nearly fifteen years

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Speaker 1: with The New York Times covering the NFL, also time

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Speaker 1: with Newsday and the Miami Herald. It's NFL Media senior

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Speaker 1: national columnist Judy Batista. John's here too. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: the Times, Judy, good to see you, to see you guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here we are another combine. It continues to grow. The

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Speaker 1: configuration changes every year, but gosh, well, I think over

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Speaker 1: a thousand credential media here. It's what it is, a

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Speaker 1: big flagpole event of the off season. Yes, I think this. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Draft is like second only to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, which is unbelievable. Um, but and this is

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Speaker 1: the start of the lead up to the Draft. This

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Speaker 1: the way this event has grown just in the time

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Speaker 1: we've covered the NFL is astonishing. Now your first combine

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Speaker 1: with which year, I don't remember which year it was.

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Speaker 1: I was here the year that Peyton Manning was coming out,

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Speaker 1: and literally they were walking around the hotel lobby saying,

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Speaker 1: does anybody need to talk to Peyton Manning? Like that's

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Speaker 1: how there were no podiums. There was none of this

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Speaker 1: formalized setting, like you hung out with a handful of

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Speaker 1: other reporters in a lobby and the agents and their

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Speaker 1: people would sort of walk the players, you need to

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Speaker 1: talk to Peyton. And it was almost discouraged at one

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Speaker 1: point for reporters and media to be here. That's how

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Speaker 1: different it was that there was a period of not

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Speaker 1: wanting people to come. And there's people I know, Peter

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Speaker 1: six reporters. Yeah, and then it went from being okay,

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Speaker 1: well you go if you want, and now it is

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Speaker 1: a media event more than it even is a player

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Speaker 1: evaluation event. In my opinion, it's really a programming event

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Speaker 1: as much as anything. Right, I mean, all of these

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Speaker 1: workouts are going to be on TV and online and

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Speaker 1: it's and remember the kicking and screaming with football people

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Speaker 1: about how it would ruin the combat. Yes, and yes,

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Speaker 1: now players almost have to participate because players are trained

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Speaker 1: for this, right, They're trained for their time on the

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Speaker 1: present themselves that this it's incredible. There's always some news

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Speaker 1: that pops up. Today it's Jaleen Carter of Georgia. I mean,

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes before we scheduled to speak, the arrest weren't

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Speaker 1: of news amongst those players that are you know, supposed

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Speaker 1: first round picks. Yeah, that's a bad one. I mean

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Speaker 1: no doubt. All right. So also earlier this week you've

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Speaker 1: been following the competition committee conversation. The big votes come

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Speaker 1: up from the owners at the annual meeting later in March.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's down the line in Arizona, John, I

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's a lot of quarterback centric things,

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Speaker 1: as is the case it's the NFL. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: That's why they outlawed the onside kick or not outlawed,

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Speaker 1: and it's the possible return of the emergency quarterback rule, right,

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Speaker 1: you could have five quarterbacks, six, you can do whatever

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they're going to go back to that.

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Speaker 1: it's the possibility of making roughing the pass a reviewable.

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Speaker 1: you think, judy, Yeah, that's exactly how the Competition committee

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Speaker 1: It's a judgment call. What they really want is things

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Speaker 1: It's also hard to legislate football completely out of football

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Speaker 1: don't think that was really in the front of their

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Speaker 1: minds at the beginning of the season, but I think

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Speaker 1: he will find a way to have that in the

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Speaker 1: front of their minds in the proper way come April seventeen.

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Speaker 1: The pressure it's the NFL, So you're not really sneaking

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Speaker 1: up per se on any team. It's not like a

433
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Speaker 1: you know, college underdog goes on the road and wins

434
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Speaker 1: as a fifty point dog anything of that stuff. But

435
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: this team was not expected nationally to do a lot

436
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: of things last year. Well that's out the window because

437
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: everybody saw what happened in December and the playoff game,

438
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Speaker 1: and they realized now that the target is on the

439
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: Jaguars and they're not gonna be sneaking up on a

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Speaker 1: team trying to come back from behind and all that

441
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Speaker 1: those days might be done. So yeah, I'm never huge

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Speaker 1: on the whole sneaking up thing, but I do think

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Speaker 1: internally it changes maybe the pressure that a team feels

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Speaker 1: on itself. Jaguars late in the season, it was an

445
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: interesting season to me. They played without any pressure, and

446
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Speaker 1: I think they sort of used that underdog thing, but

447
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: then the reality is they had to deal with it

448
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Speaker 1: in the last maybe two weeks of the season and

449
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, so they weren't a team to me with

450
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: nothing to lose, and against the Titans, they had all

451
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Speaker 1: of a sudden to become the team that led the

452
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Speaker 1: division and they were playing a team that had lost

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Speaker 1: six or seven in a row. To me, they were

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Speaker 1: the team that had a lot to lose in that game.

455
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Speaker 1: So I think they experienced what you're talking about. But

456
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Speaker 1: then once you got to the postseason, once you got

457
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Speaker 1: to the Titans game, I think they did feel, Okay,

458
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: we're supposed to win this game. Let's fear out a

459
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: way to go do it. So I think probably they

460
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: benefited from both of those things last year JP, and

461
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Speaker 1: I think they'll benefit from the second part, playing some pressure.

462
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Speaker 1: I think they'll be a little bit used to that

463
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Speaker 1: going in the next season. Let's hear from Trent Balky,

464
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Speaker 1: general manager, And as we mentioned, the focus still is

465
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Speaker 1: on resigning pending free agents before they go to free

466
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Speaker 1: agency at the start of the league year, but you

467
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Speaker 1: know it's also looking ahead to the draft drafting well

468
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Speaker 1: for this team and developing players who answered the question right.

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Speaker 1: You know, the last two years, you know, we've delved

470
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Speaker 1: heavily into free agency and we're at the point now

471
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Speaker 1: where it's draft and develop right. Um, we got a

472
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Speaker 1: nice core, nice core of young players. Feel really good

473
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Speaker 1: about that group, with a good MIxS of veteran guys

474
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Speaker 1: with a lot of experience. That and the whole thing

475
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Speaker 1: for us now is about the locker room, making sure

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Speaker 1: we keep the locker room where we've got it. It's

477
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Speaker 1: just what we discussed a little bit earlier, but hearing

478
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Speaker 1: it from Trent Balky makes a lot of sense. I mean,

479
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Speaker 1: they've got the twenty fourth pick in the draft this year,

480
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: in the first round, and they've got a kind of

481
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Speaker 1: cherry pick what they want in some key spots. And

482
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Speaker 1: it may not be a big splash in terms of

483
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Speaker 1: free agency, as we said, there'll be a couple, but

484
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Speaker 1: the focus now turns to keeping this core together. Well.

485
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: I think it's important, and I think most fans watching

486
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: this show get it, but it is. It's gonna be

487
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: a pretty dramatic sea change this offseason from how the

488
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: Jaguars have operated in the past. Even the years right

489
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Speaker 1: after twenty seventeen. They didn't do very much in eighteen,

490
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Speaker 1: but then they go out and they acquired Nick Foles

491
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Speaker 1: in nineteen. They weren't that active in twenty, but they've

492
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Speaker 1: been active in the last few years. And so you're

493
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: used to on March sixteenth, uh, seeing a lot of fanfare,

494
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: seeing the free agency press conferences, you know, the car wash,

495
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: if you will, And that's not going to feel that

496
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Speaker 1: way this year. And I think there are people out

497
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: there who are going to see, well, they're standing pat

498
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: they're resting in their law worlds. Well, the best way

499
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: to improve in this league is to improve from within,

500
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: build on what you're already doing. Yes, you add pieces,

501
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: but this is going to be a year where they

502
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: let their core develop that they try to emphasize continuity,

503
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Speaker 1: and I don't think you'll see a lot of splash

504
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Speaker 1: in free agency, and I being an old school guy,

505
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I think I think some

506
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: fans will be uncomfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah, it's not

507
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: normal at least in to be doing it this way,

508
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: but it might be the new normal rights success. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: you hope it is. Because if it's the new normal

510
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: long term, it means you're drafting and developing well, you

511
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: have to supplement through free agency. This team has built

512
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: through free agency, and as I've said often, they did

513
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: a remarkable job in the last two years, especially last year,

514
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Speaker 1: building in free agency. I asked Doug Peterson after we

515
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Speaker 1: talked to the podium yesterday about their ability to add

516
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Speaker 1: what could be core players in free agency, meaning Christian Kirk,

517
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram, guys that you want to keep. It's significant

518
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Speaker 1: that they want to keep Evan Ingram. Many many guys

519
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: signed to one year proven deals signed with other teams

520
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: the next season for Henry to become a part of

521
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Speaker 1: the core, just like Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Brandon Sheriff,

522
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: these guys are guys they want to keep. That doesn't

523
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Speaker 1: always happen, and so they did a remarkable job of

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Speaker 1: building a core of players who you think are going

525
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Speaker 1: to be long term guys. But it's very risky and

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Speaker 1: it's very expensive to do that. You can't do it

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Speaker 1: on the long term, and they won't try to. They

528
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: can't try to. Right There was not a lot of

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Speaker 1: news on that front in terms of the pending free

530
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Speaker 1: agent guys yesterday, but Balky did say he met with

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Speaker 1: the Juwan Taylor camp here in Indy yesterday morning, and

532
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Speaker 1: then the Evan Ingram situation can continues. You know, sounds

533
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Speaker 1: like that's trending in the right directions. Well that way,

534
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: I think people generally get Evan Ingram's going to be here,

535
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: and Trent Balky didn't say it, Doug Peterson didn't say it,

536
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Speaker 1: because they're negotiating with these guys. But it's hard for

537
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Speaker 1: me to see Evan Ingram not being here because they

538
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: want to sign him to a long term deal. Both

539
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: sides want that, and then if that doesn't happen, the

540
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: franchise tag is very palpable for a tight end I think,

541
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: and he's round eleven million. That fits what they need

542
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: to do on their books. They can make that work.

543
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: They'd rather get a long term deal because the short

544
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: term cap would be smaller. But I would be stunned

545
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Speaker 1: if Evan Ingram's not here. I hope that Joan Taylor's here.

546
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: The team hopes John Taylor's here, but that's a much

547
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: more difficult situation because of the position. The franchise number

548
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: on that is nineteen for him for one year. I

549
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: can't see them doing that. I think they'll be conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll they'll get close. I think they'll try

551
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: to find that win win that Trent mentioned several times yesterday.

552
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: But with the right tackle, with already having a left

553
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Speaker 1: tackle under contracting Camera Robinson, having walked a little on

554
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: the team and ascending the Juan Taylor is much more iffy,

555
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: although I don't think there's less of a desire to

556
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: get him done. On the Jaguars part, don't read it

557
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: that way, but I think the reality of the financial

558
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: situation at some point it has to work for the

559
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: cap for the long term, for what they have around him,

560
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: and there's some there's some other factors that I think

561
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: make Juan Taylor less likely, although not any less hopeful

562
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: in the Jaguars part. Let's come back in the moment.

563
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 1: We'll take a time out. Cynthia Freeland. We're out to her.

564
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: She'll join us NFL media here in just a little bit,

565
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: analytics expert, her thoughts on the Jags run and quarterback

566
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: trends in the league, and all kinds of things. With

567
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Speaker 1: Cynthia coming up in just a little bit. We're at

568
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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on jag Drivetime. Welcome

569
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Speaker 1: back as Jack Drivetime from the Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty three NFL Scouting Combine is underway. The

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Speaker 1: on field testing begins Thursday. The Radio Row business continues today.

572
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Speaker 1: Our next guest has coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine

573
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Speaker 1: the next few days on NFL Network. She has been

574
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Speaker 1: with NFL Media for about seven years. Analytics expert Cynthia Freeland.

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Speaker 1: Great to see us, Cynthia. Here we are. It's an

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Speaker 1: analytics age. Let's start off with the analytics of Radio

577
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Speaker 1: Row today. For you, I saw you about an hour

578
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: and a half ago making the start of the rounds.

579
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Speaker 1: How many tops have you made today? I try to

580
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Speaker 1: make as many as I can. I truly, I know

581
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: I said this to you before, but I truly like

582
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: meeting with every single team because you know, at the

583
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: network sometimes we don't talk about we kind of talk

584
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: about like bigger topics, right, but I really do study

585
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: every single team, like very in depth. So it's nice

586
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of roll out some of

587
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: that knowledge sometimes and also like connect with you know,

588
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: because like Jackson's bike, do you even like his? Of course?

589
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: I like you. I just I can't get to Jacksonville

590
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: during the season. It's too far from California. Like my

591
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: job's in California, but I want to come to a game. Well,

592
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Jacks fans don't think anybody likes him. That's true. That's true.

593
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: I know I'm Jad really well and he doesn't think

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00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: anyone likes him. Yeah, he's coming around later. We'll hear

595
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: about that. Right, let's start with that then. So you

596
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: mentioned to us off the air you all these teams

597
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: now have analytics departments. Ye, and that's really been a

598
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: trend over the last five seven years, especially I know

599
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are heavy into that. It's really just a

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: history of what's happened in the past and using that

601
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: to formulate decisions. So how do you carry that over

602
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: to television format and make that interesting for people? Because

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00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: you do a good job. Thank you. That's very nice.

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00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, hopefully it's interesting. Look, the reality is is,

605
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, all of these teams, it's the technology has

606
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: enabled us to do it over the past five, seven,

607
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: ten years a lot faster, But the principles and ideas

608
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: aren't new, right, Like you know people have been doing this.

609
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: Maybe they called it quality control, or they had a

610
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: different name for it. But everyone's been trying to improve

611
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the quality of their decision making since the beginning of football.

612
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: Everyone wants an edge to win, right, So the difference

613
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: is more like figuring out how to use the newer technologies,

614
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: the different coding systems, the different ways of you know,

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Speaker 1: now instead of watching four games of film before every game,

616
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: now you can like do just tailored sequences or just

617
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: when this team was in cover four and you can

618
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: watch thirty games if you want to whatever, you know,

619
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: like so like things like that, so or you get

620
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: like just a better chance of like you know, doing

621
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Speaker 1: exactly what you wanted, just faster. Right. So I think

622
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Speaker 1: I was a banker by trade, and maybe I have

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Speaker 1: nasty a d D. So I think that's part of

624
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Speaker 1: what I'm like, I need it now at fast Squirrel,

625
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think maybe I've just like put

626
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: those two things into play to try to tell stories,

627
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: because really I view it as every player has really

628
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: great skills that could be awesome in certain scenarios, and

629
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Speaker 1: it's a really like it's like showcasing that and being

630
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Speaker 1: this is why this matters, as opposed to being like

631
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Speaker 1: this guy's good, which great, and you know, like we

632
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: already know that, right, Like what makes Christian Kirk so

633
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: good on the slot? It does the slot matter? Why

634
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Speaker 1: are we now not calling nickel corners? You know before

635
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: it was like a he's a slot corner and he

636
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: was using the pejorative and now you need a nasty

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Speaker 1: slot corner because everybody uses a slot see Kirk comma

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Speaker 1: Christian Yeah. Right, So that's that's the kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Are we? How far down the analytics road are we?

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Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean it's remarkable to me,

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Speaker 1: as somebody's covering the league by twenty five years, how

642
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: much more it is used in an obvious situations in

643
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: every game, in decisions making. It's clearly changed how coaches

644
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: approach certain situations in games. There's also been natural resistance

645
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: because people always resistance to change. How much further do

646
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: you see it going? The usage the fans will see

647
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: over the next five years if you follow me, well,

648
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I hope we stop hearing things on broadcasts that are

649
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: like man, analytics say it to go for it like

650
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: it drives me nuts because that's actually not true. Okay,

651
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Speaker 1: that's like, that's what I want to do I want

652
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: to like be the person to be like, Okay, if

653
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: you do this in past games that's worked three quarters

654
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: at the time, doesn't mean it's the right decision now

655
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: because was your right tackle beat up? Was your quarterback

656
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: just sacked three times? Like? What's going like? But you

657
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: know you can so let's just talk about it in

658
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Speaker 1: like this is why then maybe thinking this now putting

659
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: into play different like install so during the week that

660
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: the week has changed, they're trying to optimize for things

661
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: like load, which, by the way, sports performance analytics have

662
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: probably the furthest place that they still could go, but

663
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: they've come really far too, which is great. Keep me healthier,

664
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: keep me you know, more able to do my job,

665
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: and also like keep me good for the rest of

666
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Speaker 1: my life. Awesome. These are all great things that have

667
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: come from analytics, right big data. So the reality is

668
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: is you know you're going to change your week, and

669
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: so now we're practicing more fourth down situations and so

670
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: it's not just like haphazard go for it, Like that's

671
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: not what it is. Do you have the fourth down

672
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Speaker 1: play when you've seen you know, cover three six times

673
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: in a row. I don't have the answer to that.

674
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: But your coach does, right. So the so the reality

675
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: is it's just it's a it's a way of staying

676
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: organized and trying to use your assets aka your players,

677
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: to beat my assets in the best way possible get

678
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: the biggest return on investment. Has a coach ever blamed

679
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: you for everything? Yes, for going for something, but he

680
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: really didn't want to. I'm sure that happens, luckily. I've

681
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: never been in that situation, but I will say that

682
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: I did. There was one coach who I called out

683
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: for not that. He's like, don't you let I go

684
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Speaker 1: for a un fourth of mind, You are going for

685
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: it in ridiculous situations. You just want to be knows

686
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: of the fourth down coach. And he's like, well, isn't

687
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: that analytics. I'm like, no, okay, it's all about context. Right.

688
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: So if then right, like, you're not gonna build more

689
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: trucks if everybody's not buying them, right, right, So make

690
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: the decisions to you know, figure out what you have

691
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: and make the rights. It's decision making, right. If you

692
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: can get ten percent better at your there's seventy snaps

693
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: in a football it seventy plays in a football game.

694
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Speaker 1: That's seven places. How many games have coming down to

695
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: seven places? The answer is a lot, most right, So

696
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Speaker 1: if you can get ten percent better, if you can

697
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: make the quality of those seven play, that's a huge improvement.

698
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Speaker 1: Synths and a coach who knows that very well, Stug Peterson.

699
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean the guy was he was the fourth down

700
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Speaker 1: coach before all these other four towns. He's not the

701
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: one who yelled at me because he actually a guy

702
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: who works on your staff now, who I think is

703
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: one of if not like, his name is Ryan Paganetti,

704
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Speaker 1: and I have to say I'm Italians, but back and Eddie,

705
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: you can't say it the other way. But anyway, so

706
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: he does a really good job of explaining how the

707
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: fourth down should work. Because Doug was not the one

708
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Speaker 1: who got mad at me for that. He was not.

709
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: It was another one. He's out in California and you

710
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: may have beaten him in a most epic comeback. Okay, anyway,

711
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: so it wasn't it was fun, all right. So you

712
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: mentioned Christian Kirk earlier. I mean, so Zay Jones had

713
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: a big year, Evan Ingram had a big year. He's

714
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Speaker 1: coming up. You know. They got to figure it out

715
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Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks with him, Calvin Ridley

716
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: could be on this team now, I mean they got

717
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: to figure that out. What does the Ridley edition, if

718
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: he's reinstated, do for the rest of the idea of

719
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: this offense in Jacksonville. Yeah, that's a pretty scary offense. Um. Look,

720
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Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing that you see in Doug

721
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: Peterson led offenses, and you've seen it all the time,

722
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get better as the season goes on and as

723
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Speaker 1: they play with him longer, in part because he creates

724
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: so many different opportunities for all of the different pass catchers.

725
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Speaker 1: So if you're adding a guy like Calvin Ridley, who

726
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: since his days at Alabama was a pristine route runner,

727
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: it's it's so reliable, Like and I say that in

728
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: like the sexiest way possible, right, Like, it's it's great

729
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: to know exactly where your wide receiver is going to

730
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Speaker 1: be at the moment that you need him to be there.

731
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Speaker 1: That's incredible everything. So he's got great speed, but I

732
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: don't care about like like the speed speed for a

733
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Speaker 1: forty's sake, But I care about are you going to

734
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: in a game? Are you gonna run that deep crosser?

735
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: It's the exact second. I need you there so our

736
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: time and can get So that's what is really going

737
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: to be interesting because Christian Kirk has great feel for that.

738
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: Zay Jones really improved in that this season, especially as

739
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a season went on, and I would be surprised, Like

740
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: what Evan Ingram is awesome, But I don't know if

741
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: they need to spend there because there's a lot of

742
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: good tight ends coming out of and and I like

743
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram like, this is no shade. This is just

744
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: saying like it's it's an interesting because supply and demand,

745
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: there are a supply of good tight ends that could

746
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: potentially do that role, especially if you're getting Calvin Ridley anyways,

747
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: not being mean, not being mean, good, nice, Yes, how

748
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: do you apply to make the draft interesting for fans

749
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: from an analytics point of view? I know you've when

750
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: you do a mock draft, you always preface it by saying, hey,

751
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: this is not necessarily trying to guess who. I don't

752
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: care about that. So how do you what's the art

753
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: yep of bringing analytics from your point of view into

754
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: the draft analysis part? Yeah, so, especially like the first

755
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: round is the first it's always funny because we only

756
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: mock the first round, but we really should be mocking, Like, like,

757
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: I care more about rounds two through four because that's

758
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: like the meat and potatoes of your team, and if

759
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: you can get that right, then you're great. So I

760
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: think that like a lot of it is like who

761
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: is this person? Everyone wants a comp everyone, everyone wants

762
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: like you are the next book like, but that's not

763
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: really what's impactful. What's more interesting is more like, okay,

764
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Speaker 1: um on the Jags, he this guy who's let's call

765
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: him a seven out of ten, right, but if he's

766
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: a jack, then he's an eight. Wow, then we got

767
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: good value there, Okay, rights, Right, So it's it's more

768
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: about fit, and it's more obviously positional value matters a ton, right,

769
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: but it's about it's about how the fit works and

770
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: trying to say in this team, he will play the

771
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: X roll whatever. You know what I'm saying, Like, he's

772
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: out the true outside whatever receiver. That's not gonna be

773
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: who you draft, but you know what I'm saying there,

774
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Speaker 1: you go give her a follow on Twitter at see Freeland.

775
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Speaker 1: If less you're evn Ingram and then you're you're here,

776
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: you'll get paid somewhere else. Let the right come on back, Evan,

777
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: come back. Things are trending the right direction, sith you,

778
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Speaker 1: that's what's going on. I'm trying to I'm trying. I'm

779
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: trying to get you. I'm trying to get you like

780
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: like even more good players. I'm not saying he's I'm

781
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: just saying, like you could get a lot. There's there's

782
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Speaker 1: only two hundred and twenty eight point four million or

783
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: two hundred twenty four point eight we like you gotta

784
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out where to spend. Wisely, you don't

785
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: always get to this rookie quarterback contract. You're gonna have

786
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: to pay that one that's coming soon. I know you

787
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: better pay it sooner than later. Correct, be smart to

788
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: pay it. Figure it out now, you know what I mean,

789
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Speaker 1: Like figure out how to There's a lot of some

790
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Speaker 1: money in the piggy bank for the rainy day coming up,

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Speaker 1: I guess Cynthia, thanks for the time we're having to

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Speaker 1: enjoy your work. Yeah, anytime, truly, NFL Media, We're back

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland Judy Bautista earlier in the show. The analytics

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Speaker 1: conversation with Cynthia is always fascinating to hear her work

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Speaker 1: on the air and to get to converse with her

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Speaker 1: here and get inside that head a little bit. That

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Speaker 1: is it's a different place, but it's where the league

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Speaker 1: is right now. That's where it's going to stay for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah. She has a great job of

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Speaker 1: taking something that is very numbers based, which can be

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Speaker 1: make it understandable. And I've always thought she has a

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Speaker 1: great job whither I was glad to have run the

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Speaker 1: show all right. So the rest of the week here

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Speaker 1: at the combine, the prospects are rolling through a day

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Speaker 1: or so before they go on the field tomorrow. I

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Speaker 1: think the defensive lineman, linebackers are out there. They were

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Speaker 1: at the podium earlier today. That's the last wave I

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Speaker 1: believe of coaches and gms today as well, and then

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Speaker 1: it's week kid. Use. The testing continues and we'll be

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Speaker 1: out of here on Friday. Our coverage will continue tomorrow

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Speaker 1: of Jack's Happy Hour on radio at four o'clock from

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Speaker 1: this table right here in this convention center tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: wrap up the week here in Indy. Yeah, a couple

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Speaker 1: of stories coming up on Jaguars dot Com. Doug Peterson

842
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: talked up things yesterday. They were interesting to me, and

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00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: so did Trent. How they're going to use the running

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Speaker 1: backs next season. I think Doug wants more out of

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00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: that position. Not a knock on a specific player, but

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Speaker 1: I think he wants the offense to gain more from

847
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Speaker 1: that position, and I think he sees ways that he

848
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: can get more out of that position, and certainly have

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Speaker 1: a story on his thoughts on Trevor Lawrence and how

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Speaker 1: he will look as he develops going forward. So looking

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Speaker 1: and certainly our guest Judy Patissa Cynthia Freeland. Coming up tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: I'm JP Shadrick. This is Jags Drive Time from Indianapolis.