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Speaker 2: It's The Daily Show with your host Michael cost.
Speaker 1: Everybody, We're cooking the Daily Show. I'm Michael Kosta. We've
Speaker 1: gotten so much to talk about tonight. Julian Assange is
Speaker 1: a free man, Alex Jones is a broke man, and
Speaker 1: the Surgeon General is warning America the gun violence is
Speaker 1: a bad who knew? Let's get into the headlines. Let's
Speaker 1: kick things off with some big international news about a whistleblower. No,
Speaker 1: not the Boeing ones. They've all suddenly died under completely
Speaker 1: normal circumstances. I'm talking about one who got some good
Speaker 1: news this morning.
Speaker 4: Julian Assange, who founded WikiLeaks and rocked governments around the
Speaker 4: world with it, is said to plead guilty in US
Speaker 4: federal court to a single felony charge in exchange where
Speaker 4: his freedom, ending the year's long legal saga around his
Speaker 4: explosive publication of US state secrets. Assage, celebrated by some
Speaker 4: as a hero, reviled by others as a reckless vandal,
Speaker 4: published state secrets of country after country, none more damaging
Speaker 4: than the vast trove of US classified documents WikiLeaks posted
Speaker 4: online starting in twenty ten, at the height of US
Speaker 4: wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: That's right, Wiki Leak's founder and man who looks like
Speaker 1: he feeds James Bond to sharks, Julian Massange is out
Speaker 1: of prison. And like many of you, when I first
Speaker 1: heard the news, I thought, which one is he again,
Speaker 1: because I thought he was Edward Snowden, And then then
Speaker 1: someone said, no, Edward Snowden is Edward Stone, and that's
Speaker 1: why they call him that, and that made sense to me. Now.
Speaker 1: Julian Osandra is the one who spent a decade on
Speaker 1: the run for revealing war crimes committed by America in Iraq,
Speaker 1: even though the people who did those crimes weren't punished.
Speaker 1: It's all things to an obscure military doctrine known as
Speaker 1: snitches get stitches. And let's be honest, a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff he leaked, we already knew America was doing
Speaker 1: bad shit in Iraq. The DNC was in cahoots with
Speaker 1: Hillary's campaign. It's like how you kind of already knew
Speaker 1: that your wife was banging her tennis instructor, but it's
Speaker 1: nice to have it confirmed.
Speaker 3: By the way.
Speaker 1: In that example, I'm the tennis instructor. Now, some people
Speaker 1: think of sand is a villain for revealing state secrets,
Speaker 1: while others argue that the States shouldn't have had those
Speaker 1: secrets in the first place. But what irks me about
Speaker 1: Assand is that he didn't reveal any of the secrets
Speaker 1: I wanted to know. You know, he's gonna dump literally
Speaker 1: millions of documents, and not a single one was about
Speaker 1: aliens or who killed JFK or why they never made
Speaker 1: a Forrest Gump sequel. I mean, I don't want ten fast,
Speaker 1: infurious sequels. I want to see Forrest Gump accidentally invent
Speaker 1: the macharena. Right, Yeah, let's move on from a character
Speaker 1: that some love and some hate to a character who's
Speaker 1: much easier to judge, Alex Jones. Now, it's been a
Speaker 1: year and a half since the Boner Pillsbury dough boy
Speaker 1: was ordered to pay one point five billion dollars to
Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook families, and now the Repo man is
Speaker 1: pulling up at the door.
Speaker 5: Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is losing his media empire. Court
Speaker 5: appointed trustee has laid out plans for shutting down Jones's
Speaker 5: Info Wars. The money will go towards the one point
Speaker 5: five billion dollars Jones has been ordered to pay families
Speaker 5: of the Sandy Hook shooting victims. He pushed the claim
Speaker 5: that the twenty twelve massacre wasn't real. The plan calls
Speaker 5: War one down operations and then liquidating inventory.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Info Wars is dead. But how will I
Speaker 1: know which vaccines turned me gay? The good news here
Speaker 1: is that this shows that if you maliciously lie to
Speaker 1: the American people, you will be held accountable like zero
Speaker 1: point three percent of the time, and the rest of
Speaker 1: the time you'll be elected president. But politics aside, I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree it's a great day in
Speaker 1: America whenever a podcast ends. So it's been a rough
Speaker 1: final week for Jones, but he spent it doing what
Speaker 1: he loves.
Speaker 6: Jones spouted lies even as he drove to the hearing
Speaker 6: in Houston.
Speaker 7: It is all a Raisin power ground.
Speaker 6: Leading up to the hearing, he had been vacillating between
Speaker 6: tears more lies.
Speaker 7: That was the FBI and the just Department behind all
Speaker 7: these fake lawsuits against me to get me off the air.
Speaker 6: And naked opportunity peddling supposed dietary supplements until the last moment.
Speaker 7: If you order any products at info war store dot com,
Speaker 7: you will get them before info wars a shutdown.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that his listeners think the vaccine is going
Speaker 1: to kill them, but then they spend hundreds of dollars
Speaker 1: on off label weight loss supplements. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: want anything weird in my body. That's why I take
Speaker 1: Bethel polyettrazol fifteen G and tiger gut. By the way,
Speaker 1: if you're sad you can no longer buy pills from
Speaker 1: the info war Store, please consider purchasing Michael Costa's pills
Speaker 1: for a stronger brain or whatever. Just give me your money,
Speaker 1: you stupid piece of shit.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves a camera turn. Let's move on to some
Speaker 1: public health news. A lot of people don't know this,
Speaker 1: but getting shot is not good for your health. Luckily,
Speaker 1: America's top doctor is here to let you know. Knew.
Speaker 9: This morning, a first of its kind advisory from the
Speaker 9: Surgeon General's Office declaring firearm violence and urgent public health Crisis.
Speaker 9: The new advisory spells out just how pervasive firearm violence
Speaker 9: is and calls for the quote collective commitment of the
Speaker 9: nation to stop it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you knew it.
Speaker 1: I thought the Surgeon General's warnings were supposed to be
Speaker 1: for things you can avoid. You know, you can choose
Speaker 1: not to smoke cigarettes. But no one's seeing this news. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to try to get shot
Speaker 1: this weekend, but now I'll change my plans. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: a bit skeptical. I know this guy's just trying to help.
Speaker 1: It's just that in the last year, the Surgeon General
Speaker 1: has already declared social media and loneliness as public health problems.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, man, we know, all right, the
Speaker 1: surchon General never tells us anything we don't already know.
Speaker 1: Like if he came out and just said, hey, just say,
Speaker 1: you know, peanut butter stays inside you forever. That's something
Speaker 1: that's helpful and I can take action.
Speaker 3: Now, right.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. Why are we trusting a guy
Speaker 1: who calls himself the surgeon General. That sounds like a
Speaker 1: profession my four year old daughter makes up. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to be either a surgeon general or a ballerina dentist.
Speaker 1: It's like you're just mashing two real jobs together. Dummy.
Speaker 1: If we're going to have a US surgeon general. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter's a dummy. Sometimes, if we're going to have
Speaker 1: a US surgeon general, he needs to at least do
Speaker 1: one of them. Right, Either he's in charge of the
Speaker 1: President's surgeries, or we give him an army. Then at
Speaker 1: least when you sign into social media, he can drone
Speaker 1: your house. Social media addiction solved.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: Finally, let's talk about the moon. We see it in
Speaker 1: the sky every night. But did you know the moon
Speaker 1: is also in other countries? Well, it is, and now
Speaker 1: some of them are taking notice.
Speaker 10: China is now the first country to ever bring back
Speaker 10: samples from the far side of the Moon. It's Lunar
Speaker 10: Probe just completed its historic mission, retrieving samples of dust
Speaker 10: and rock from the side of the Moon facing away
Speaker 10: from the Earth.
Speaker 11: Chinese scientists anticipate the return samples will include volcanic rock
Speaker 11: that's over two million years old, a major difference to
Speaker 11: samples collected by astronauts during the Apollo missions.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, you know, China's the first one to visit
Speaker 1: the far side of the Moon, which, if you don't know,
Speaker 1: is the part of the Moon the Earth never sees
Speaker 1: because the Moon Okay, it's spinning while the Earth. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's turning like in my head is China.
Speaker 12: And it.
Speaker 1: You guys get it anyway, China did it. So now
Speaker 1: there are three different flags planted on the moon, the
Speaker 1: Chinese flag, the United States flag, and that flag from
Speaker 1: sant Alito's wife, so the woman loves flags. For more
Speaker 1: on China's landing on the Moon, we go live to
Speaker 1: Cape Canaveral with Josh Johnson. Josh, this is a huge
Speaker 1: scientific achievement. China is the first country to reach the
Speaker 1: far side of the Moon. What does this mean.
Speaker 13: I'll tell you what it means, Michael. It means America's
Speaker 13: guy get back to the moon right now? All right,
Speaker 13: someone called Neil Armstrong or Lance Armstrong or or Lance
Speaker 13: Bass one of them.
Speaker 1: But why why do we have to get back to
Speaker 1: the moon?
Speaker 13: Because the moon is the only thing America has left.
Speaker 13: We don't have the best cars anymore, we don't have
Speaker 13: the best democracy anymore.
Speaker 1: Even the best basketball.
Speaker 13: Players are from like Slovaka Stan. You know, all we
Speaker 13: have left is the moon, and now China's taking that
Speaker 13: from us too. No, No, as a matter.
Speaker 1: Of national pride, we're going back, Okay, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: build a whole new Moon program that's gonna be expensive
Speaker 1: as hell.
Speaker 13: Oh yeah, it's gonna bankrupt us. All right, we got
Speaker 13: to cancel Medicare and education immediately. Okay, sorry, kids, you
Speaker 13: can't read good no more. But you can take pride
Speaker 13: knowing America is the best at Moon.
Speaker 1: Okay. So, so we're gonna blow up our budget just
Speaker 1: to show China that we can also collect moon dirt.
Speaker 1: Oh man, come on, We're not going up there do
Speaker 1: that nerd shit. We're going up there to knock their
Speaker 1: flag down. Why shot shot.
Speaker 14: If we knocked their flag down, you're gonna start a war.
Speaker 1: No, no, no costa chill.
Speaker 13: What's gonna start the war is when our astronauts knock
Speaker 13: it down with their dicks.
Speaker 1: This all owl, This isn't down. This is a terrible
Speaker 1: idea for starters. Taking your dick out on the Moon.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make it explode.
Speaker 13: I know, but it's the only way to show China
Speaker 13: we're still the big dogs.
Speaker 1: But josh, we've already been to the moon. We're focused
Speaker 1: on Mars now.
Speaker 3: Not anymore. The Moon is our girl, Okay.
Speaker 13: We've been together since the sixties, Mars was just a
Speaker 13: side piece, all right, and now China is trying to
Speaker 13: take our girl behind our back and in our face.
Speaker 13: We can't let that happen. And that's why I'm here
Speaker 13: at the launching pad. What I'm gonna go win the
Speaker 13: moon back?
Speaker 1: Josh, No, don't go to them. You're not qualified to
Speaker 1: go up. Josh, come back.
Speaker 15: Josh, Josh, listen moon Juh.
Speaker 1: We've both made some mistakes.
Speaker 13: We fooled around with Mars, and you let someone else
Speaker 13: get your rocks off.
Speaker 1: But we're together now.
Speaker 13: Baby, and America is never gonna leave you again. Now
Speaker 13: let me get up in them craters, Josh.
Speaker 15: Josh, wait, Josh, don't take your dick out, Josh. I
Speaker 15: think as Dick exploded, I tried to warn him, Josh Johnson,
Speaker 15: everybody what we Dick exploding.
Speaker 14: When we come back, Lewis Black will be on the
Speaker 14: show joining me. Don't all way, Josh, welcome back to
Speaker 14: Davin Show.
Speaker 1: When a news story falls through the cracks, Lewis Black
Speaker 1: catches it for a segment we call back in Black.
Speaker 16: Ah Summer, when my bulls glue themselves to my thigh
Speaker 16: and don't let go until Labor Day and if you're
Speaker 16: a kid.
Speaker 3: It means going to camp.
Speaker 16: Summer camp used to be about playing sports, making friends, and,
Speaker 16: if you're lucky, finding a dead body. But for parents
Speaker 16: who think it's time for their five year old to
Speaker 16: start focusing on a career, there are a few camps
Speaker 16: just for them, like this one.
Speaker 13: Chick fil A is getting some backlash over its new
Speaker 13: summer camp coming to Louisiana at the end of July.
Speaker 17: Kids will learn scales such as taking guest orders and
Speaker 17: backing food.
Speaker 12: The franchises that are doing it only charge about thirty
Speaker 12: five dollars ages five to twelve, and kids learn.
Speaker 1: The chicken sandwich business.
Speaker 3: Wow, did you hear that?
Speaker 16: Chick malayans a summer camp.
Speaker 3: Tell me now.
Speaker 16: Kids are finally getting to learn the chicken sandwich business.
Speaker 16: You know, nothing says summer fun like third degree grease burns.
Speaker 16: And the beast part about Chick fil A camp is
Speaker 16: it only costs thirty five dollars.
Speaker 3: What a bargain. I mean for thirty five dollars, you.
Speaker 16: Can't even find a babysitter on the terror watch list.
Speaker 16: Even Khalid Sheik Muhammad was forty dollars an hour and
Speaker 16: he didn't even change diapers.
Speaker 3: But if that's still too steep a.
Speaker 16: Price tag, you can always bring them for free to
Speaker 16: the company who's basically raising them anyway.
Speaker 3: Apple.
Speaker 17: For over twenty years now, Apple stores have hosted Apple Camp.
Speaker 1: This is where kids and their parents can get creative
Speaker 1: on the latest Apple devices.
Speaker 11: This year's session focuses on using the iPad to create
Speaker 11: an interactive storybook.
Speaker 1: They're creating animations.
Speaker 17: They're adding ar shapes at three D shapes to ear
Speaker 17: photos where they place the three D shapes in the
Speaker 17: world around.
Speaker 16: Then, Oh, thank god, just what our children need, more
Speaker 16: screen time. I hope they'll use these iPads on planes
Speaker 16: at full volume while I contemplate getting a second besectomy.
Speaker 3: Better safe than sorry.
Speaker 16: I will say these Apple camps seem way nicer than
Speaker 16: the ones in China.
Speaker 3: I mean, for starters, the kids get to leave. Oh
Speaker 3: stop it, seriously, wake up? How do you moan over there? Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But maybe I'm judging too quickly.
Speaker 16: Who knows these camps could be fostering the storytellers of tomorrow.
Speaker 18: And basically, a donut as a vase, but the ball
Speaker 18: always goes through his hole, so his friend helps him
Speaker 18: put like a in his in the full time so
Speaker 18: the ball doesn't go through.
Speaker 16: This girl could write the next great animated film. But
Speaker 16: if you dare touch the opening weekend of Inside Up three,
Speaker 16: I'll sue the shit out of you. Follow your dreams,
Speaker 16: but stay away from Daddy's gravy train. But if the
Speaker 16: fry Elator and ADHD don't do it for your child.
Speaker 16: There are some camps that teach actual.
Speaker 3: Skills, which is all.
Speaker 12: Fire Department gave young people the opportunity to have experienced
Speaker 12: what it's like to be a firefighter. It's hosting a
Speaker 12: kid's summer camp, and the fun kicked off yesterday. This
Speaker 12: year's summer camp introduces them to the roles and responsibilities
Speaker 12: of the Fire Department. With up close and hands on experience,
Speaker 12: campers ages eight to thirteen will get a view of
Speaker 12: firefighting tasks like pulling hose, spraying water forcible entream and rescue.
Speaker 16: First of all, I don't think you need a camp
Speaker 16: to teach teen.
Speaker 3: Boys how to pull hose. I mean they tend to
Speaker 3: figure it out on their own.
Speaker 16: By the way, camp is just like police camp, but
Speaker 16: with more cardio and less framing people for murder. I
Speaker 16: admire these kids but they better not show up when
Speaker 16: I burned down my Panama City condo for the insurance money.
Speaker 16: Stay away from daddy's other gravy train your little.
Speaker 3: Life saving shits.
Speaker 16: But a firefighting camp sounds like too much fun. Don't worry,
Speaker 16: You've still got options.
Speaker 17: At this summer camp should be longtounds middle schoolers take
Speaker 17: care of baby Tory a seventy five thousand dollars high
Speaker 17: fidelity simulator.
Speaker 1: And there's also so pick you boyson.
Speaker 3: Do you want to dress a wound or build a bony?
Speaker 17: Bay Cares Diane Roush Camp Nurse Junior at Dunedin Sally L.
Speaker 17: Bailey Nursing Education Center is not your typical teenage summer fun.
Speaker 17: Here they're learning about patient care and broken bones and
Speaker 17: CPR and more. For Camilla and Ellie and dozens of others,
Speaker 17: this might be their future.
Speaker 3: What the fucking is that supposed to be a baby.
Speaker 3: It looks like someone knocked up Megan.
Speaker 16: Somebody's sending that thing to the Supreme Court and we'll
Speaker 16: have abortion back in no time. But of course, there's
Speaker 16: also one very affordable summer program that parents are forgetting
Speaker 16: about ignoring your kids and letting them go off for
Speaker 16: three months. You know, watch TV, kickrocks, maybe even pull
Speaker 16: some hoes. That's how I spent my summers as a kid,
Speaker 16: and look how I turned out.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mike COVID, Thanks for having a.
Speaker 3: Little course black everyone, and welcomed back.
Speaker 1: Peter Goodman will be joining me on the show, so
Speaker 1: don't go away.
Speaker 19: Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 1: My guest tonight is a global economics correspondent for The
Speaker 1: New York Times and author of the new book How
Speaker 1: the World Ran out of Everything Inside the Global Supply Chain.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Peter Goodman. Yes, so how the World ran
Speaker 1: out of everything? During COVID we ran out of toilet paper,
Speaker 1: baby formula, computer chips. We had cars that were ready
Speaker 1: to run, but no computer chips. What the happened? And
Speaker 1: did we fix it?
Speaker 20: We have not fixed it. I'm sorry to say. The
Speaker 20: vulnerabilities are still there. What happened was a reveal of
Speaker 20: something that had been there for decades. We are dependent
Speaker 20: upon this really improvised ad hoc rickety supply chain. It's
Speaker 20: really a bunch of supply chains. We've been devoted to
Speaker 20: this kind of reckless, ruthless form of deregulation and during
Speaker 20: the pandemic, just as we were in our darkest hour
Speaker 20: of need, it buckled, and yeah, we ran out a
Speaker 20: lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: When I was reading your book, I kept asking myself
Speaker 1: the same question, which was, why don't we just make
Speaker 1: this shit here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why aren't we making all of the shit here? Well,
Speaker 1: but you you answer that, but explain, explain it. Explain
Speaker 1: to me again.
Speaker 20: We could make more things here, and there's a movement
Speaker 20: to make more things here, and that's helpful. It's in
Speaker 20: the margins. But we're not going back to self sufficiency. Look,
Speaker 20: if there was no trade, you and me wouldn't be
Speaker 20: having this conversation. We'd be out trying to feed our
Speaker 20: families with bark or whatever. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 20: that good at growing food.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're not either. So here we are. We're
Speaker 1: dependent upon a globe supply chain. I did lose a
Speaker 1: tomato in the wind last night on my rooftop garden, but.
Speaker 3: Good luck with that.
Speaker 20: Yeah, I don't want to try to feed my family
Speaker 20: through my own labor. So we have trade, and we've
Speaker 20: got a lot of jobs in this country that are
Speaker 20: dependent upon a global supply chain. And it's been a
Speaker 20: consumer bonanza. We've just done a very poor job cushioning
Speaker 20: the people who've lost jobs. We don't need to throw
Speaker 20: out globalization. We need to reconfigure it. We need sensible regulations.
Speaker 20: We need working people to get more of a piece
Speaker 20: of the action so we have a more reliable supply chain.
Speaker 1: You tell the story in the book about one company
Speaker 1: that is trying to make these glow in the Dark toys,
Speaker 1: even as a contract with Sesame Street, and he wants
Speaker 1: to actually use American manufacturing, but can't find American manufacturers
Speaker 1: to do it right.
Speaker 3: I mean, he calls around these are these?
Speaker 20: I follow this one container from a factory in China
Speaker 20: to the west coast of the United States and then
Speaker 20: across the continent to Starkville, Mississippi, where his warehouse space.
Speaker 20: He couldn't find somebody to make the molds for these
Speaker 20: products unless he paid twelve times as much as the
Speaker 20: price in China. You try to get somebody to make
Speaker 20: up kind of children's pop up book style package for.
Speaker 1: His product, and he was told, this.
Speaker 20: Is just too complicated, go make this in China. It
Speaker 20: was the path of least resistance.
Speaker 1: You follow this path, this container ship from China all
Speaker 1: the way to Mississippi and literally this is this is
Speaker 1: the path it takes. I mean, it is a harrowing journey.
Speaker 1: And as an American that buys a lot of stuff, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going, holy shit, I didn't know that all this happened.
Speaker 1: I just press click and then it shows up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well then it worked.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Do I do we need to buy less
Speaker 1: dumb shit? I know it's like not the most intellectual question,
Speaker 1: do we need to buy less dumb shit? It's a
Speaker 1: legitimate question.
Speaker 20: Look, I rode for three days with a long haul
Speaker 20: truck driver from Kansas City to Dallas and back.
Speaker 1: It sounds like my worst nightmare.
Speaker 20: It's everyone's worst nightmare, which is why we don't have
Speaker 20: enough truck drivers. And the best part of that moment,
Speaker 20: we're somewhere in Oklahoma and this truck driver looks out
Speaker 20: the window and he says, people just buy too much
Speaker 20: the word you just use. And we could do well
Speaker 20: thinking more carefully about what we buy and what we need.
Speaker 20: But let's face it, like we're gonna keep making stuff,
Speaker 20: We're gonna keep consuming stuff. The question is are we
Speaker 20: going to have a more resilient supply chain or one
Speaker 20: that's just optimized for basically big box retailers and investors,
Speaker 20: because that's what we've had now for decades.
Speaker 1: I had before reading your book, I had always kind
Speaker 1: of seen China as this aggressor that has taken American
Speaker 1: jobs and manufacturing. And do you feel that's the case.
Speaker 1: Is that an accurate portrayal? I think what you painted
Speaker 1: the picture so well in here was that it's American
Speaker 1: business executives, right that are saying we can make more money.
Speaker 1: It's not the American worker that's saying this. It's the
Speaker 1: executed factory.
Speaker 20: Jobs moved to China because publicly traded corporations governed by
Speaker 20: the imperative to lower their costs and produce lower priced products,
Speaker 20: but fattened their margins as well. They sent production to China.
Speaker 20: They were encouraged to go there by the investor class,
Speaker 20: and it worked out really well for them. And look,
Speaker 20: this is an old story, right, Chinese labor was brought
Speaker 20: in to build the railroads, talk about it states, Yeah,
Speaker 20: and the Walmart going to the People's Republic of China.
Speaker 20: That's just a continuation of the old story of basically
Speaker 20: undercutting American labor unions, undercutting American working people. These are decisions,
Speaker 20: you know, the hollowing out of our factory towns that
Speaker 20: are not made in Beijing. These are decisions made in
Speaker 20: boardrooms in New York, in Seattle, in Congress.
Speaker 1: It's not always portrayed that way, right, you know, it's
Speaker 1: portrayed as there's China taking our economy.
Speaker 13: Right.
Speaker 1: But what we have a big debate coming up Thursday night.
Speaker 1: Trump in correct me if I'm wrong, But Trump puts
Speaker 1: some tariffs on China, and Biden has kept a lot
Speaker 1: of those, has advanced them, has advanced that. What can
Speaker 1: we expect when this question comes up Thursday night? Where
Speaker 1: do they stand on?
Speaker 20: You know, I don't know how much nuanced there will
Speaker 20: be in that debate, but let's face it, there.
Speaker 1: Are very few things I think we all know that debate. Yeah, yeah, there.
Speaker 20: Are not many things that garner agreement in American polities.
Speaker 20: But one of them, unfortunately, is the sort of cartoonish
Speaker 20: depiction of China as this job killing juggernaut without any
Speaker 20: of the details that we've already discussed. I mean, I
Speaker 20: think in terms of the differences between these two candidates,
Speaker 20: Donald Trump is a threat to the global supply chain.
Speaker 20: He's proud to be a threat to the global supply chain.
Speaker 3: He likes the photo.
Speaker 20: Op of slapping tariffs on steel and mugging for the
Speaker 20: cameras with steel workers going back to work. Never mind
Speaker 20: that there are six to eight times as many people
Speaker 20: who go to work at factories in America that buy
Speaker 20: steal as there are people who make steel, so those
Speaker 20: companies are less competitive. Biden is also bashing China. This
Speaker 20: is a bipartisan initiative, but it's a much more nuanced
Speaker 20: kind of industrial policy.
Speaker 3: It's less about.
Speaker 20: Containing China's rise. I mean, Trump is really about let's
Speaker 20: have a cold war with China. Biden is more about
Speaker 20: let's embrace industrial policy. Let's try to make electric.
Speaker 1: Vehicles in the US.
Speaker 20: These are some significant difference.
Speaker 1: I was in Vermont this weekend performing I eat a
Speaker 1: lot of ice cream in my life. I wanted to
Speaker 1: go see the Ben and Jerry's ice cream factory where
Speaker 1: it all started. These were two men in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: eight who started making ice cream out of a gas station.
Speaker 1: Right and then, as I kind of dug into it,
Speaker 1: I was also reading your book. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: perfect tie in. I REALI, oh, they sold the company
Speaker 1: to Unilever in year two thousand and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these two men who really care about keeping things local,
Speaker 1: who really cared about social issues. It felt like the
Speaker 1: big evil corporation was constantly pushing back against them and
Speaker 1: was constantly looking at profit margins. Is there something that
Speaker 1: I can feel optimistic about? Is capitalism always just defeat us?
Speaker 1: And these two little Ben and jerrymanscup it's capitalism.
Speaker 20: I mean, you know, the people who benefit from the
Speaker 20: status quot would have us believe that regulating and taxing
Speaker 20: and enforcing anti trust laws, we might as well, you know,
Speaker 20: be advocating Venezuela style, you know, I mean it's just nonsensical, right,
Speaker 20: Capitalism needs markets, Markets need regulation. They can't function with that.
Speaker 20: But in terms of what we can do, you know,
Speaker 20: consumers are not going to save us from the vulnerabilities
Speaker 20: in the globally comt We're busy dealing with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I can I can keep buying plastic shit
Speaker 1: from my four year old daughter on Amazon. I'm not
Speaker 1: turning you in.
Speaker 20: I mean, it's going to take any trust enforcement, labor
Speaker 20: mobilization so that working people get a piece of the action.
Speaker 20: So they're less likely to quit their jobs in the
Speaker 20: middle of a pandemic. I mean, you know, Henry Ford
Speaker 20: problematic character Newer a thing or two about making things
Speaker 20: in the supply chain. He said explicitly as he raised
Speaker 20: wages for workers in twenty fourteen and was called a
Speaker 20: communist by somebody, said, I just want to make things reliably.
Speaker 20: Any business that's premised on low wage labor is inherently unstable.
Speaker 1: Right And that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 8: It feels like, I mean, normalcy is built on this
Speaker 8: idea that huge numbers of people have to do dangerous
Speaker 8: jobs away from their families, with little control or understanding
Speaker 8: about their schedules, and they just have to suck that
Speaker 8: up for the benefit of our sort of just in time,
Speaker 8: ruthlessly efficient that turns out not to be so efficient.
Speaker 1: Global economy. You personally that I can steal from you?
Speaker 1: What can I do? What do you do? What any
Speaker 1: habits of yours that have changed since research and writing this?
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean I try to give my business to
Speaker 20: people who are actually in control of their businesses. I mean,
Speaker 20: if you're mostly transacting with big companies that are answerable
Speaker 20: to Wall Street, then you're ultimately transacting with entities that
Speaker 20: are thinking about shareholder interests the bubble. They can't afford
Speaker 20: to be kind to their workers necessarily because their competitors aren't.
Speaker 20: They can't afford to think about keeping production local, they
Speaker 20: can't think about the highest quality ingredients, and they can't
Speaker 20: think beyond the next quarter. So certainly local small production.
Speaker 20: But again, consumers are not going to save us from
Speaker 20: the vulnerability and the global supply chain. It's going to
Speaker 20: take regulation, it's going to take labor mobilization.
Speaker 1: But it helps to know that my fourteen dollars strawberries
Speaker 1: at the farmers market is probably going to better use
Speaker 1: than the nine dollars strawberries at the Amazon. You need
Speaker 1: to stop somewhere else, exactly. These are the celebrity prices
Speaker 1: that I get. Look how the world ran out of
Speaker 1: everything is available now you're good man, everybody, Thank you
Speaker 1: everything A quick break of the white back after us.
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Speaker 9: What makes you nervous?
Speaker 7: Oh when my wife yells at me when I'm coming
Speaker 7: home from work, and not really I'm unsure what she's
Speaker 7: mad about.
Speaker 11: On this particular day is really when I when I
Speaker 11: get nervous.
Speaker 9: How about for the debate, because if that happens on Thursday,
Speaker 9: you know you'll have about It's.
Speaker 1: All good to take that offline.
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