1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's us Josh and Chuck, and we want 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: you to know we are coming somewhere near you. We're 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: sure if you live in North America this year, that's right, 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: We're going on tour, and uh, why don't we just 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: rattle through these dates? Okay? Uh? Toronto August eight at 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: the Day and Fourth Music Hall, Chicago August nine, the 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: next day at Harris Theater. Then we are taking some 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: time off to recover after that two day grind. We're 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: eating Vancouver the Vogue Theater September twenty six, followed by Minneapolis. 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna be at the Pantageous Theater again on September 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: that is correct, yep. And then Austin Chuck on October 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: tenth of the Paramount Theater, Yes, and very special show 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: and Lawrence Kansas at Liberty Hall on October eleventh, yep. 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: And then we're gonna do a three night stand October 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: two at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn, New York. And then Chuck, 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: take it home. Uh, well take it home literally, because 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: we are finishing up November four right here in Atlanta 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: at the Bucket Theater and this is a very special 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: benefit show. Uh, and all the proceeds will be going 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: to Lifeline Animal Project of Atlanta in the National Down 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: Syndrome Society YEP and for more information into buy tickets, 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: just go to s y s K live dot com. 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know. It's from House Stuff 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: Josh Clark's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry and 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: this is Stuff you Should Know, Stuff you Should Know. Hi, Hi, 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: I was talking to everyone else. I was looking at you, though. Sure, 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: it just made it weird. I know, it's a little disarming. 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: Uh So this episode on the Stonewall Riots or did 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: you watch that documentary stone Wall Uprising? By chance? Yes? 31 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I did? Yeah, I think know one of the the 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: people interviewed and there said they preferred, or at least 33 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: he preferred to be called an uprising and not a 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: riot or something like that. Yeah. I agree, because lends 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: it definitely a much more like credible tone. Yeah, for sure. 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: A riots just like we're going crazy, we're gonna steal stuff, 37 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: we're gonna brust stuff, um and uprising is like we're 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: we've had enough and we're going to throw off this oppression. Yeah, 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: so the uh this this is being released, I believe 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: if my math is correct, uh, forty eight years and 41 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: a day. It depends on when you count the beginnings 42 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: of the Stone Wall uprising, because we'll get to it, 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: but it start at one am. So technically, uh. You 44 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: know some people, you know, when you go from night 45 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: and today still count that as the previous night. You 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Those are people who are on drugs, 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was about to say 48 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: I used to do that, but then you said that, 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: So no. But anyway, forty eight year anniversary. I thought 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: about maybe holding off till the fiftieth because I wanted 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: to do this one for a long time. But and 52 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, who knows what's going to 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: happen exactly. We could get hit by a bus. Yeah, 54 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and then we never would have done this podcast. Right, 55 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: there's no time like the President Charles Yes, especially since 56 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: we finally got a great article from the Grabster on this. Yeah. Man, 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: that guy is so good. I read this article that 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: he wrote, Um, how the Stonewall riots worked. He called 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: it the riots. Um it's I I sent him an 60 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: email just to say, like, dude, it is so nice 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: to have you back. I felt the same way. In fact, 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: I need to get his email so I can echo 63 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: that because, uh, you know you read it in this 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: just like the old days, good quality stuff. Yeah you 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about Stonewall, Yeah, let's do it. Have 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: you ever been there? No, I haven't. I even stayed 67 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: at Washington Park in Washington Square in UM, which is 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: nice UM. And I had no idea Stonewall was right 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: around the corner. I didn't didn't know very much about it. 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: I mainly just um, I knew it as like I 71 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: had a rough idea. But I think I knew about 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: the same as I know about, say Attica, So I 73 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: know sometimes people chant Stonewall, sometimes people chanted Attica. So 74 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: there you go. That was about as much as I 75 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: knew you would. And had to drink at Attica though, 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: so right some some radiator hoot. Uh you know I 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: had time to go there and grab a drink at 78 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: the stone All and I highly recommend it. Oh yeah, 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: I definitely intend to, for sure, because I love that 80 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: part of New York, to the village. So I had 81 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,239 Speaker 1: to go and look this up, right, because I was like, wait, 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm starting to see people say West Village they're also 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: saying Greenwich Village. It's the west part of Greenwich Village. 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: It is okay, so um, it's both. It's Greenwich Village 85 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: and West Village, but technically it is in the West 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Village of Greenwich Village, which is between Houston and and Broadway. 87 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: Houston and I've been in New York enough times. My 88 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: friend made a mistake. Just don't ever say Avenue of 89 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: the America's I have plenty of times. Oh yeah, and 90 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: I've gotten yelled at. Yeah, and then I think the 91 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: Hudson is the other side of the village. It's just 92 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: my favorite part of town, is it. Yeah, the the 93 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: village in the West Village is just it's the best. 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: You know, that's where it just feels a little bit 95 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: more like old New York. It's quaint, it's still kind 96 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: of quiet. All those tiny little tree line streets that 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: aren't just on a perfect grid. Uh, you can get 98 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: lost down there. You can find yourself down there. You 99 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: can you can pay a million dollars a square feet 100 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: for real estate. Yeah, it's nice, it's great. I like 101 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: the Lower East Side a lot too, though, I have 102 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: to say, yeah, and you know what, last time I 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: was in New York, Emily and I spent and I 104 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: used to hang out some in the East Village. In fact, 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of where I used to go, mostly because 106 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: that's where my friends were back in the nineties. And um, 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: I went there and it is still nice and grimy. 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: Uh what the village, the East Village. Yeah, it's uh, yeah, 109 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's not you know, it's it's been I 110 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: don't want to say modernized, but it's been what's the word, 111 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: not gentrified maybe gentrified updated. Yeah, it's been updated a 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: little bit. But they're still kind of a scummy, which 113 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: is great. You know, it definitely has a feel to 114 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: it still for sure, and a smell. Okay, So so Chuck, 115 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I think we You said you've been to the stone 116 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Wall before. Did you know much of the history? Yeah, 117 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean that's why I went. Um and oddly enough 118 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: I went. I just happened to be there in the 119 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: days following the nightclub shooting in Florida. So there were 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: like armed guards at the stone Wall end and the 121 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, because it's a national monument now, well, I 122 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: know a lot of people flocked to stone Wall, the 123 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: stone Wall in after the Pulse nightclub shootings just to 124 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: show solidarity and comfort one another. So the Stone Wall 125 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: has become this hub, the center of gay life in 126 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: the United States, not just in New York and then 127 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: the United States I would even say probably globally had 128 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: that much of a significance. But what's interesting about the 129 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: Stone Wall, the Stone Wall in is that it also 130 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: had that same significance just for a much much smaller 131 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: community of gays um prior to June nineteen sixty nine. 132 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: But it has for decades and decades been a center 133 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: of gay life. Is just there was pre Stone Wall 134 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: and post Stone Wall, and what that club meant to 135 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: people really just changed by how many people um knew 136 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: about it but were pulled to it. Good way to 137 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: say it, thanks man, uh so um, I think we 138 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: should start as Ed suggests, as the grabs are suggested 139 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: by talking about war Stone Wall. Yeah, and a little 140 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: bit about the sad state of uh life as a 141 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: as a gay person, as a trans person. Uh, the 142 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: whole LGBTQ community, which of course they didn't call it 143 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: that back then, but to be in that community and 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties was uh. I mean, 145 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting to talk about this stuff because there's still 146 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: a long way to go. But you can't help but 147 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: look at the progress when you look at the way 148 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: things were in the fifties and sixties. Well, what's crazy 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: is that the fifties and sixties were a low point. 150 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah for for um, I don't know if gay rights 151 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: is the right where, but gay acceptance of gay the 152 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: gay community by society at large, the fifties and sixties 153 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: were a real low in that because prior to that, um, 154 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: it was a little it was a little people were 155 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: a little cooler with it, Like straights were a little 156 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: cooler with the idea of people being gay than they 157 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: were in like the fifties and sixties. And it's thanks 158 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: to our friend McCarthy. Yeah, Like I got the feeling 159 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: that there was a little bit of just a like 160 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: don't ask, don't tell philosophy going on and not like 161 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: the hammer coming down, which is what happened in the 162 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties. It was a big pushback, and you're right, 163 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: McCarthy had a lot to do with it. He was like, well, 164 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: not only am I gonna tackle McCarthy, is um, but 165 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: while we're at it, let's let's castigate the gay community 166 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: as well, right it uh we I don't know if 167 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: you remember not, but we we talked about Joe McCarthy 168 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: being gay himself most likely or definitely I can't remember. Um. 169 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: But but in the midst of that, he he spent 170 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: time like persecuting gays even though he was gay himself, 171 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: which is pretty I mean, if the guy wasn't despicable before, 172 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: that really does it, you know, puts him over the fence. Yeah, 173 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's something that happens still, you know, 174 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: but he almost I don't I don't want to say 175 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: single handedly, but his his drive that whatever he embodied 176 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: in the McCarthy is m trials or hearings or whatever. Um. 177 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: He he helped take the He helped turn the tide 178 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: back against gay people. Yeah, it was going like okay 179 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: for a little while, and then this guy comes along 180 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: and just screws everything up. And then the next thing, 181 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, the fifties and sixties, it's really really bad 182 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: to be gay. As a matter of fact, in the 183 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: United States outside of Illinois, every other state in the Union, 184 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: if you were gay, you were illegal just by being you. Yeah, 185 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: you're basically breaking the law. Through a web of laws, 186 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: um that essentially criminalized it, whether it was anti sodomy 187 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: laws or saying you can't dance in public with the 188 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: same sex partner or you can't where I mean, they 189 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: actually had laws on what was called gender appropriate clothing, 190 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: where you had to wear a minimum of three pieces 191 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: of clothing deemed appropriate for your gender. And uh, because 192 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, they saw a big threat with you know, 193 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: they called people back then, they call it people dressing 194 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: and drag um. But we're talking about well we're talking 195 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: about different kinds of people, but a lot of times 196 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: they were transgender people, uh dressing like they dressed, you know, 197 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: like dressing according to the gender they identified with, and 198 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: they would bring in they would find someone, they would 199 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: bring in a female officer and they would take them 200 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: into a bathroom and either uh feel for parts or 201 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: make them undress and check out their clothing and arrest them. Yeah. 202 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: And it wasn't always it didn't always even necessarily end 203 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: and arrest. Like these laws were used as tools of 204 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: intimidation and just general oppression, and the cops were acting 205 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: in large part is as like this extension, the the 206 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: action extension of like that part of America that just 207 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: found gay people odious, just the whole the whole concept. 208 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: So everybody was just totally cool with the gay community 209 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: being harassed and arrested and um brutalized. Uh. There was 210 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot of um violent crime and murders against gay 211 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: people at the time. The newspapers didn't report virtually anything 212 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: that had anything to do with the gay community. Um. 213 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,359 Speaker 1: They were just complete open targets for exploitation and abuse. Um. 214 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: And it was just a terrible way to live. And 215 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: as a result, a lot of a lot of gay 216 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: people at the time just opted to act straight. They 217 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: got married, they had kids. Um, they just pretended in 218 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: order to survive in the society they were born into. Yeah, 219 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was classified until three and the d 220 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: s M as a mental illness aversion therapy was going on. Um. 221 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: I had never heard of this place and saw I 222 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: saw that documentary at Tasaca Darrow State Hospital in California. Yeah, 223 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of it any oh man. They called 224 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: it the Dachau for queers, where they would engage in 225 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: shock treatment. They would show uh gay men pictures of 226 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: naked men and then shock them and uh they would 227 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: give them. There was one drug that they gave that supposedly, Yeah, 228 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: had you heard of this, No, a drug that simulated 229 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: the experience of drowning, they would give lobotomies. It's just 230 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: unbelievable that this was happening in our country like fifty 231 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: something years ago, right, And and and so it's bad enough 232 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: if your family is sending you off for treatment or 233 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: whatever to to to basically be treated for being gay, 234 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: because again there's like the field of psychology and psychiatry said, 235 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: this is a mental illness, and we cure mental illnesses, 236 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: so you can cure gayness. Let's just figure out how 237 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: to do it, and the most brutal means possible. So 238 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: it's bad enough if your family sends you off commits 239 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: you for being gay. But I think what strikes me 240 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: is even worse for some gay people at the time, 241 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: buying into the idea that they were mentally ill, that 242 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: there was something profoundly wrong with them that made them 243 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: m It's just so different that they would submit to 244 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: this kind of treatment as well. You know, yeah, that 245 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: that clip in the stone wall uprising up with the 246 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: I don't know who that guy was that came to 247 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: the school to talk to the kids. Um, just man, man, 248 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to hard to watch, to be honest, it 249 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: really is. So the lavender scare is what it was 250 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of called under McCarthy in the nineteen fifties. And 251 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, uh, this is all pre Stonewall and uh, 252 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: as Ed points out in the article, it was it 253 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: was a dark time. But um, it was also a 254 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: time where uh kind of underground the gay community was 255 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: was setting. And when I say gay community and we 256 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: say it, we're talking about l g B t Q 257 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: as a whole, it doesn't roll off the tongue, so 258 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna say different things along the way. Um, But 259 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: really what they were doing kind of quietly was setting 260 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the stage and laying a foundation for progress later on 261 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: with these kind of uh underground societies. It was called 262 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: the homophile movement, and you know, gay rights groups basically 263 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: being founded, right, And the homophile movement was basically if 264 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: Bob Newhart had been a gay activist, it was like 265 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: button down penny loafers getting along with everybody, being very 266 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: quiet and pleasant, um, being an upstanding neighbor, like really 267 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: really taking care of your lawn like that kind of stuff. 268 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Like basically, the point of the homophile movement was to 269 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: point out to straight society that gay people were totally normal. 270 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: And the approach that they took was, we're just gonna 271 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna kill them with kindness. We're gonna win them 272 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: over by by being nice and by being quiet and 273 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: by not causing a fuss. Citizens Yeah, for sure. And 274 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: one of the things that came out of this UM, 275 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: the Homophile Movement UM was a society called the Madachine 276 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: Society UM, which is basically an an underground gay I 277 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: guess gay liberation movement, but like a very slow, preppy 278 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: gay liberation movement, you know. But I founded a network 279 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: for the first time, like gay people could communicate with 280 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: one another through like newsletters that were set up by 281 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: the Madachine Society and other UM small groups like them. 282 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: That was a big deal. Like they showed footage of 283 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: them in the Stone Wall Uprising documentary and they're they're 284 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: all wearing suits and their hair is very nice, and 285 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: it's all like very well thought out. This is an 286 00:16:55,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: accidental UM. But they're acting not gay at all, but 287 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: they're holding signs saying that proclaimed that they're gay and 288 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: that they deserve rights. And I mean that was that 289 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: was an extraordinarily brave thing to do back then because 290 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: if you were out at as gay, and Ed I 291 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: think very wisely points out on this article, back then 292 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: you could be fired for being gay, and ED points 293 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: out today you could still be fired for being gay. 294 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: There's no federal protection against that. It has gotten better. 295 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: It's horrible that that's still not protected. Right. But back 296 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: in the day, if if, if you, if you had 297 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: the wrong kind of boss and they call it win 298 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: that you were gay, they could not only fire, they 299 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: could make it so you would never work again, like 300 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: your life would be ruined. So to stand there in 301 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: a suit and tie in the middle of New York 302 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: where with a sign that proclaimed you were gay and 303 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: being like years old or something like that, and having 304 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: your whole life ahead of you, that was a very 305 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: brave act to do. Even though the machine society. Um 306 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: it's I get the impression that they're they're fairly criticized 307 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: in the gay community for being really slow and kind 308 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: of plotting and not doing enough and not being radical 309 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: at all. Um at the time, not really pushing gay 310 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: rights forward as as much as as what would come after. Yeah, 311 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: but like we said, what very importantly they were they 312 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: were laying a foundation, uh for what would follow the 313 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: Stonewall riots. Um, should we take a break, all right, 314 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: let's take a break, and we'll talk a little bit 315 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: about the refuge that was the stone wall in. All right, 316 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: so we set the stage for or what life was 317 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: like uh back then in the l g B t 318 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: Q community, and um, kind of more than anything, there 319 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: was no uh, there was no and the irony to 320 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: me is just inescapable. There there was no meeting place, 321 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: There was no way to normalize. Um, So what happens is, 322 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, you couldn't just go be gay and have 323 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: a coffee with your gay friend out in public and 324 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: be affectionate and just be a normal human being. So 325 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: what happens is they ended up being driven underground and 326 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: meeting in public bathrooms and in porn theaters and as 327 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: uh in New York City, they were meeting in the 328 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: backs of meat trucks uh for hookups. And so this 329 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: further stigmatize them as like taking part in like perverted 330 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: quote unquote perverted behavior because they had nowhere else to go. 331 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: So it was sort of like this feedback loop, you know, 332 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: like had they had a place to go to begin with, 333 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: they might not have been meeting in bath houses and 334 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: might not have had this stigma attached to them so well. 335 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if they wouldn't have still been meeting 336 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: in bath houses, but I think they would have enjoyed 337 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: having more places to to not just hook up. I 338 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: think that's all that was available to them, was just 339 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: hooking up, and that was it, well exactly. And there 340 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: was one gentleman in that documentary that was just like 341 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: we I just wanted to go place like two where 342 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: I could fall in love with somebody and talk to somebody. Yeah, 343 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: that guy, I can't remember his name, but he struck 344 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: me as well. He was describing the Stone Wall. He's saying, 345 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: like that was that place. It was one of those 346 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: few places where you could just feel relatively safe being gay. 347 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: It was like one of the few places you could 348 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: slow dance. Um. And the way that he said it, Chuck, 349 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: was it was a place where you could find love. 350 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: It wasn't just about sex, although I'm sure there's plenty 351 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: of hookups and apparently there was prostitution ring ring running 352 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: out of the stone Wall, but it was a place 353 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: where you could find like was there was just a 354 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: vibe of love there supposedly is what the guy was saying, 355 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: I think, And there weren't very many places like that 356 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: in the world at the time. Yeah. So the Stonewall 357 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: in itself was um. It was a pair of brick 358 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: buildings originally that were horse stables way back in the day, 359 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: and then later on it was a bakery and then 360 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: eventually opened as the Stonewall In Restaurant in nineteen thirty 361 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: four and uh in the nineteen sixties. Uh. And this 362 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: was a pretty fascinating part of this whole story to 363 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: me because I had no idea, but the mafia had 364 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: a uh had a business idea where they would they 365 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: saw an opportunity for gay people to meet and by 366 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: booze and buy cigarettes and load money into the jukebox. 367 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: And so the mafia kind of under had these underground 368 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: uh gay bars all over New York City that they ran. Right, 369 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, we just hijacked the truck that 370 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: was full of cigarettes and booze. We should just sell 371 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: it to the gay people. It goal saloons. Yeah, since 372 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: nobody else will. And the reason no one else would 373 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: was because since it was illegal to be gay if 374 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: you were a known gay person and you were at 375 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: a bar, that bar could be shut down. So bars 376 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: were like, you, you can't come in here. We're not 377 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: gay bar. There's no gays allowed, basically, and not only 378 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: was this, you know, legal, it was it was encouraged 379 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: by the law. So the mafia was like, well, there's 380 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: there's a huge market that's just needing to be satisfied 381 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: here and we'll step up, no problem. Yeah. And you know, 382 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: before you go thinking the mafia was was some benevolent 383 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: group getting an outlet to the LGBTQ community. They they 384 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: did do that, but they were a trying to make 385 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: money and be uh they were also uh, you know, 386 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: there were there were instances of blackmailing that would go 387 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: on that they would get like maybe a straight acting, 388 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: well yield gay man and as a target and say 389 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: all right, well this guy's definitely got a good job 390 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: in a family, so let's get his information and then 391 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: hit him up for money or will out him. Um. 392 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: So they weren't you know, they weren't just benevolent mafioso's. Uh. 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: There was some you know, untowards stuff going on on there. 394 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: And for sure, for sure, yeah, one of them, like 395 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I said, was the prostitution ring at the stone Wall 396 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: and they were dealing drugs at the stone Wall in 397 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: um and again like the the entire bar, the stone 398 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: Wall in as a bar was an illegal bar. Uh yeah, 399 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: and they weren't doing it out of the goodness of 400 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: their hearts. They were exploiting like a a vulnerable population. 401 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: But it's still regardless of the mob's intentions, gay people 402 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: took the place and made at their own, their own 403 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: spot and enjoyed it. As a result. It was also 404 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: by all accounts, um not only a dive bar with 405 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: water down drinks, but from the sounds of it, it 406 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: was unsanitary. Oh yeah, like just gross and uh not 407 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 1: because of the clientele, because the mafia was I mean, 408 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: they just didn't care. They weren't keeping it clean the 409 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean they there was the one guy in the 410 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: document was like I never bought a drink there. He 411 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: was like, that's the last place I was going to 412 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: actually get a drink, Like I would go to meet 413 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: people and make friends, but um, no way was I 414 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: going to be ordering and paying for whatever they were serving. 415 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: He said they were serving like the beer out of 416 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: pictures and water buckets and stuff. Yeah, and he's like, 417 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: there's no telling what was in that beer. He said 418 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: that there was a rumor that, um, some infectious disease 419 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: had spread because of the beer at the Stone Hall. 420 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: It was like it was a dirty, dirty place, but 421 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: again it was a place where gay people could feel loved, 422 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And one of the reason it was 423 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: kind of allowed to, uh to run to a certain 424 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: degree was the mafia was paying bribes and giving kickbacks 425 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: to the cops of the six Precinct, which is where 426 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: it was so chuck, they sort of had a deal 427 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: worked out. I'm sorry to interrupt you, ma'am, but have 428 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: you seen the documentary The seven five. I've seen it twice. 429 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: How amazingly good is that. Yeah, it's one of the 430 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: best documentaries I've seen in a long time. I agree. 431 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: And Adam Diaz Man, come on, yeah, that's that guy's 432 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: like a real person. I know. It's amazing. Yeah, if 433 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: you're interested at all in bribes and dirty cops and 434 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: kickbacks in New York City in the in the eighties, uh, 435 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: definitely definitely watched that one. Yeah, it was amazing. The 436 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: seven five, which was the seventy Precinct, correct, yes, which 437 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: was cop talk. It's seven five. Yeah, I think it's like, um, 438 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: Jamaica Queens. Maybe, yeah, I can't remember, but a guarantee 439 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: they're making a feature film about that at some point. 440 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: Surely it's too good too. It's like you can't write 441 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: anything better, so sorry, man up to do your chester. 442 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about how the six was taking kickbacks from 443 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: the owners of the Stone Wall. Yeah, so you know, uh, 444 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: they were taking kickbacks. So it was allowed to a 445 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: certain degree because they were getting paid off, right, and 446 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: the place would still get rated. Apparently it got rated 447 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: fairly frequently, but when it got rated, the owners would 448 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: be tipped off. It would be rated on like a 449 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: week night when the place was pretty much dead and 450 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people weren't gonna get hassled, and when 451 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: it was rated, um, maybe there would be another bribe 452 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: taken at the time the patrons would basically be let go. 453 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: But the whole process was just a process of intimidation, right, 454 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: Like you had to show your ID on your way 455 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: out the door, and if you were gay and your 456 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: life could be ruined for being out, and you didn't 457 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: want to show any cop your I D. So it 458 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: was the whole thing was just a bad jam and 459 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: the idea that it didn't do anything really except maybe 460 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: increase the kickbacks for the cops just made the whole 461 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: thing even worse, you know. Yeah, and uh so this 462 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: kind of went along for a while. But everything changed 463 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: on the on the night of June and into the 464 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: early morning when Deputy Inspector seymour Pine of not the 465 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: sixth Precinct, which is notable, but Manhattan's first Division of 466 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: Public Morals. Uh he led a different kind of raid 467 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: with some undercover cops at about one am. And um, 468 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: everything changed that night. Yeah, that night something was different, 469 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: Like everything just kind of came together and just went 470 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: a certain way. You know how, Like do you watch basketball? Sure, 471 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: so it's astounding when you know one team can just 472 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: be killing the other team and then all of a sudden, 473 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: somebody on the losing team like steals a pass and 474 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: takes it back and just dunks it or there passes 475 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: it to somebody else for like three points and they 476 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: sink it, and the momentum just completely turns and it 477 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: can happen just like that. I have the opression that, like, 478 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: in the course of of the gay rights movement, this 479 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: was one of those instances where a pass of stolen 480 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: and taken to the other basket and just dunked. Yeah, 481 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: it's uh nice sports analogy. Um, you're right, there's something 482 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: about that kind of momentum that can't be manufactured. Uh. 483 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: It all just has to come together in an organic way. 484 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: And Uh, it's funny Ed did put in here. There 485 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: was There were some people throughout the years that have 486 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: uh said that the death of Judy Garland earlier on 487 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: June had had riled up the gay community because she 488 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: was so big in the gay community. They're all upset 489 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: over Judy Garland, and that is what kind of helped 490 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: kick off the Stonewall riots. By all accounts, that's probably 491 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: not true, but maybe they were grumpier than normal. Who knows. 492 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it just strikes me such like a demeaning, dismissive explanation, 493 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, you gays were just mad because 494 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Judy Garland, so you acted up and it just happened 495 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: to work out in your favor, you know, Right. So 496 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: what happened is Pine comes in, He's got these cops 497 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: and their intention was to uh not only shut down 498 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: a gay bar, but to shut down a mafia bar 499 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: for selling liquor without a license. Uh, And like you 500 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: said before, it was just a part of a series 501 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: of raids that summer all over Manhattan for these underground 502 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: gay bars. Yeah, the the Checkerboard had gone under on 503 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: its own, but the rumor was that the cops had 504 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: shut it down. Of a Telestar, the snake Pit, the 505 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: sewer Um, they all went down either on their own 506 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: or because of police raids. But either way, the idea 507 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: and the gay community was that they were in the 508 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: midst of a major persecution. All of their places were 509 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: getting shut down, and supposedly among the police they were 510 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: shutting down mafia bars, but the gay community wasn't getting that. 511 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: They were seeing that their gay bars are being shut down. 512 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: So there was definitely a sense of person cution that 513 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: summer in New York among gays who went to gay bars. Yeah, 514 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: things were kind of kind of simmering at this point. Yeah, 515 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: And one more thing, I want to give a shout 516 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: out to David Carter, I believe his name is he 517 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: literally wrote the book on stone Wall that the stone 518 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: Wall Uprising documentary was based on. He's just he's in 519 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: a story and of the stone Wall Uprising. So most 520 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: of the stuff that we have that's legitimate comes from 521 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: this guy's research, Yeah for sure. Uh. So what happens 522 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: is these cops come in there, they start the routine 523 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: like you were talking about, of exit the bar one 524 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: at a time, we need your ID. They didn't just 525 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: hurt everyone out in one big rush because they wanted 526 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: that identification, which part of the intimidation. And so what 527 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: happens is one by one, these people are filing out 528 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: and they don't go home because they're hanging out outside 529 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: waiting for their friends inside to get let out. And 530 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: this crowd starts gathering. Uh. Then the crowd starts building 531 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: not only from the people inside, but as Ed points 532 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: out in this article, um, other people in the community 533 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: and in the village. This is you know, it was 534 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: a gay part of New York still is. And these, uh, 535 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: the street kids start coming up, and these transgender people 536 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: in cross stressors, and you know, basically everyone in that 537 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: community was something to gain and nothing to lose, start 538 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: kind of hanging around as this uh kind of a 539 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: more intimidating. It feels like raid went on right right, 540 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: and and they a lot of them they weren't like 541 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: necessarily coming from down the street. A lot of them 542 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: have been inside like the stone Wall. Yet another thing 543 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: about the stone Wall, it was there was one of 544 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the few places where um, transgender people were welcomed, and 545 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: it was actually kind of their bar um. And like 546 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: you said, is people were filing out, showing their ide 547 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: and waiting for their friends. That crowd was growing bigger 548 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,479 Speaker 1: and bigger, and they're growing on the other side of 549 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: the cops. So now there's this crowd developing that and 550 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: the cops are between the crowd and the outside of 551 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: the stone Wall, right, so they're kind of trapped. Yeah, 552 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: it's a pretty tight area anyway, if you've ever been 553 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: over there, the whole West villages like that, but where 554 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: the stone Wall is in particular, it's just not you know, 555 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't face some big, wide open Manhattan street scene. Yeah. 556 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: And so there's this crowd is getting bigger and bigger. 557 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: There's it's hot, they're getting a little restless, they're starting 558 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: to shout some stuff at the cops. Um. And I 559 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: think there's a number of things that ed Says contributed 560 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: as as triggers or flashpoints from this what should have 561 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: been a routine police raid to harass you know, gay 562 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: bars are shut down a mafia owned bar um turning 563 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: into this uprising um and there is there were there 564 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: were several things. One of the things that the context 565 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: that was in was this is a time in the 566 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: United States as a whole when social all unrest was 567 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: pretty prominent. There are a lot of groups that were 568 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: organizing and agitating just against the status quo and the establishment, 569 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: and so the idea of pushing back against police brutality 570 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: was definitely you know, in the air in the United 571 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: States more than say, you know, five or ten years earlier. Yeah, 572 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this was a time of war protests of 573 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers if you listen to that episode, and 574 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: in fact, as you'll see in the days following, uh, 575 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: not even following the riots, but as the riots extended 576 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: into days two, three, four, or five and six, the 577 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: Black Panthers actually showed up in support, which was great. 578 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: Uh So another thing that happened was the uh there 579 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: was no backup. There were there were not enough cops. 580 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: They were calling for backup from the Six, but the 581 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: Six had been getting kickbacks and kind of the story 582 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: goes that they didn't so much appreciate this other group, 583 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: the division of public morals coming into their did their 584 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: uh zone and kind of taking charge of this raid. 585 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: So they were like, you know, we're not gonna send 586 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: anyone right now. At least that's how the story goes. Yeah, 587 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: seymour Pine is actually interviewed in the Uprising documentary and 588 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: he's saying like the radio kept cutting out every time 589 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: he called for backup, and he's like that had never 590 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: happened before. Um, So the the insinuation is is that, yeah, 591 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: the six Precinct was like you're on your own, pal, 592 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: this will teach you a lesson, but you could kind 593 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: of understand from the six Precincts point of view, like 594 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: it was fine, like any like three or four straight 595 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: cops could handle any number of you know, gay people 596 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: coming out of a gay bar during a raid. Because 597 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: gay gay people were viewed as docile, effeminate, basically every 598 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: everything that um the white male establishment viewed women as 599 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,479 Speaker 1: like in all of the the repugnant ways, they also 600 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: viewed gay people in exactly the same way, right, So 601 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: they idea that the sixth Precinct didn't send any backup 602 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: wasn't like these guys are gonna get killed and we 603 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: don't care. It was let those guys handle handle. You know, 604 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: this the the administrative part of this raid or whatever. 605 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: They bit this off. Now they can chew it right. Yeah, 606 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: Like what's gonna happen. They're not gonna fight back, like exactly, 607 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: you know that never happened. That was the idea. So 608 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: all this is going on, there being fight out, filed out, 609 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: this crowd is growing, tensions are brewing, and um, here's 610 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: where it gets murky and and apparently there's a lot 611 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: of versions of the story and even some infighting within 612 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:41,439 Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community on who actually started it. Uh. Some 613 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: people say that someone named Marcia Johnson uh yelled from 614 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: the bar, I got my civil rights and threw a 615 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: shot glass through the bar mirror. It was called the 616 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: shot glass heard around the world. Other people say someone 617 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: named Jackie Hormona uh started it. And other people say 618 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: this uh. One lesbian being stuffed in a cop car 619 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: was battling so fiercely that she kind of got things going. Yes, 620 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: supposedly she shouted, why don't you guys do something to 621 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: the crowd. Is she's like fighting a bunch of cops. Yeah, 622 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: to me, it doesn't matter who maybe lit the fuse, 623 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: so to speak. Um, it could have been any number 624 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: of people as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, well, yeah, sure, yeah, 625 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: I mean it could have been that. It could have 626 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: been um. The people started throwing pennies at the cops, 627 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: and then pennies turned into bricks, and then somebody um 628 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: set some garbage on fire outside of the uh the 629 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: um stone wall, and and essentially something changed, right, the 630 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: tone changed. It turned as if you were a cop. 631 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: It turned ugly real quick and whatever started it, it 632 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: started to to to move fairly quickly. And seymour Pine, 633 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: Deputy Inspector seymour Pine of Manhattan's First Division of Public Morals, said, 634 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: we need to get into the safety of the bar, 635 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: which is really saying something about what the mood of 636 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: the crowd was like if all of a sudden, the 637 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: inside of the stone wall in was now the safest 638 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: place to be, right it was. It became their refuge, ironically, 639 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: so they locked themselves in and uh did not stay 640 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: in there for too long. I mean, there were still 641 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: some patrons in there. There was a reporter in there 642 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: supposedly and uh yeah he was from the village voice. Yeah. 643 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: And then they the people outside ripped up a parking meter. 644 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: Um knocked down the door. Uh. And by all accounts, 645 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: the cops were in a bit of a state of 646 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: shock because they didn't see this coming. I think a 647 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: lot of the protesters were surprised at themselves that they 648 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: were standing up as one and and being physical with 649 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: these police officers. Yeah. And one of the one of 650 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: the people who was there, who was interviewed in the 651 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: documentary was saying, like they crowd like saw it. They 652 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: saw that the police were scared, and like crowd was 653 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: feeding on that, Like it was just feeding the crowd 654 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: that to see the cops who had always been in control, 655 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: who are the ones who had abused you know, this 656 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: community for so long, We're now suddenly scared for their lives. 657 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: Just just this crowd was just eating it up, and 658 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: it was feeding the energy that they were working off of. 659 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: And Chuck, apparently there's one of the cops was so 660 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: scared that he threw his gun at the crowd and 661 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: from what I understand, no shoullets, That's what I'm saying. 662 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: From what I understand, no shots were fired, which means 663 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: that it would have been full of bullets. So basically 664 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: that cop was like, here here's my loaded gun. Yeah, 665 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: that's weird. That's what you're supposed to do in an 666 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: old Western when you run out of bullets, right, or 667 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: with Superman, right, you shoot at him and then all 668 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: the bullets bounce off his chest, and then you throw 669 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: your gun at him and he ducks. So weird. All right, 670 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: let's take another break. The riot is in full swing 671 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: at this point, and we'll come back and finish up 672 00:38:53,160 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: and tell you the end of the story right after this. So, Chuck, 673 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: I feel like we should well we're describing the rest 674 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: of the riot. We should be playing yakety sacks, just 675 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: to give it a light touch. So it was. Um. 676 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: One of the one of the accounts that I saw, 677 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: apparently compiled by David Carter was that um, it was. 678 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: It was. It was a gay riot, right. There were 679 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 1: a lot of transgender um people dressed up women dressed 680 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: up UM doing a kick line at the police, like 681 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 1: a Rockets kick line and singing right. Um. One transgender 682 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: woman hit one of the police with her purse. Um. 683 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: There was there was a there was you know, death 684 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: only that element going on. The cops were apparently really 685 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: caught off guard by this time. The the I think 686 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: the sixth had gotten the word, and we're starting to 687 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: send back up because they had heard that these cops 688 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: were now holed up inside the stone wall and there 689 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: was a riot going on outside, so they were sending 690 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: back up. But even the backup and trained riot police 691 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: were like powerless in the face of this completely bizarre riot. Right, 692 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: they were used to a certain kind of riot, they 693 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: were not used to a gay riot, and and it 694 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: was throwing them off big time. Well, it's funny to 695 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: the uh, the one of the guys in the documentary 696 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: said the next day he was talking about all the 697 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: the fake jewelry and the sequence on the street and 698 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: he was like, it looked like just like a field 699 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: of like shimmery diamonds and things. So this is you're right, 700 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: this is unlike any riot they had experienced. And um, 701 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: I guess this was precursor to SWAT. Was New York's 702 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: tactical patrol force. Yeah, it might have been, what wasn't 703 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: it And temporary SWAT was like called out for the 704 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: against the Black Panthers in l A for the first time. 705 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 1: It would have been like maybe that year, the year before, 706 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: but New York wouldn't have had a SWAT team by then. Yeah, 707 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: We did an episode on SWAT, so you can go 708 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: listen to that and correct us at will. But so 709 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: they call in the technical Patrol Force. Uh, things are 710 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: definitely serious at this point, and uh they were probably 711 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, between six hundred and a thousand people. Uh, 712 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: people started calling people on the phone. Uh, you know, 713 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: get down here, it's going down, and um the crowd 714 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: swelled in. You know, when you got a thousand angry 715 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: people from the LGBTQ community that had had enough after 716 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: years and years of mistreatment. Um, it was pretty serious affair. Yeah, 717 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean any time people are throwing bricks 718 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: at cops, it turned serious pretty quick, right. Yeah. So, um, 719 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: because you said before, like the the layout of the 720 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,279 Speaker 1: streets in in the um Westville are not like in 721 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: a neat grid. The cops would chase the rioters or 722 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: the um, the protesters, whatever you want to call him 723 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: at this point down one street, and then the crowd, 724 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: rather than running and dispersing, would just turn as a 725 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: hole down another stream, come back around, and then they 726 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: would be chasing the cops. So there was this whole 727 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: like chase and and like just just changes in the momentum. 728 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: Like we were talking about earlier. Um, and it just 729 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: went on for hours and hours and hours basically until 730 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: daylight from what I understand. Yeah, So eventually, um, this 731 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: crowd dispersed, but uh, it did not end there. This 732 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: went on for about six days, and uh. Another guy 733 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: in the documentary said that he felt like people were 734 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: even more angry on day two. Um kind of once 735 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: word got around, Um, but on day two, three, four, 736 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: or five and six, it was a little bit different. Things. 737 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: Actually they got a little more organized, um, and not 738 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: in a in a violent way, like you know, here's 739 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: how we're gonna take them down strategically. But uh, like 740 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: we said, people started coming out. Black panthers came out, 741 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: hippies came out, so the rights protesters, tourists came out. 742 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: It became a like Ed says, a counterculture event. And uh, 743 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: before you knew it, it was. It was kind of 744 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: the first big, major major gay protest was going on. 745 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: Right They basically anybody who wanted to fight the cops 746 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: was like, let's go do this, and they they did 747 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: for like you said, two, three or four or five, 748 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 1: six days. It was coalescing. It feels like day two 749 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: though Day two seems to be like the the day 750 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: when everything really came together, because there were still more 751 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: protesters than cops. Apparently, although the cops changed tactics. They 752 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: were no longer like hitting people with clubs in the legs. 753 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: They were hitting him in the head and they were 754 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: like a lot of people with head injuries laying around. 755 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: It was pretty grizzly and brutal, but the protesters were 756 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: still like fighting pretty hard. But in the midst of 757 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: all this there were also people giving speeches and they 758 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: were chanting gay power. Um. There was a political tone 759 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 1: to it that hadn't been there the night before, and 760 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 1: that that wouldn't be there necessarily for the following nights 761 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: because a night I guess three, um, there were more 762 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: cops than than protesters from that that moment on. But 763 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,600 Speaker 1: one of the one of the other things that that 764 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 1: really kind of egged this whole thing along as well 765 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: was that the next night, after this this riot and 766 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: protests and um at following the raid, the stone ball 767 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: In opened again for Saturday. So they opened up on 768 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: Saturday and it was just a they just put out 769 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: a welcome sign for all of the protesters saying, come 770 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: on back, it's not done yet. Yeah. So Eventually everything 771 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 1: quieted down after those six days by that next Sunday 772 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: and UM, but the this would not be the end. 773 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: It was really just kind of the beginning of what 774 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: was to come. UM. A few months after that, they 775 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: had a commemorative march in New York and across the 776 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: United States, and then that was just one March. And 777 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: then a year later, on the first anniversary of the riots, UH, 778 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: they had what would become the first Gay Pride March. 779 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: They didn't call it that at the time. UM. And 780 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,319 Speaker 1: in the in the documentary, it's it's really moving when 781 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: UH they're talking about you know, at first they didn't 782 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 1: you know, they said they didn't know if it was 783 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: supposed to be from Christopher Street to UH to Central Park, 784 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 1: and they said, we didn't know if we were gonna 785 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: make it that far. We didn't know if there would 786 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: be ten of us or twelve of us. UH. It 787 00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: was just sort of uncertain. You know. It was obviously 788 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: way before internet, and so there wasn't you know, communication 789 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: like you have today. But what they had relieflets, and 790 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: they handed out thousands of them, UH, and there were 791 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,480 Speaker 1: a few hundred people at first, but all these people 792 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: from the LGBTQ community were apparently in the streets and 793 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: support and as they marched they joined in. I think 794 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of fear to you know, 795 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: hold up a sign and join a march until they 796 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: saw other people doing the same thing, and so they 797 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: kind of joined in. And by the time they got 798 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: to Central Park, you know, there were thousands and thousands 799 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 1: of people, uh in what would be, you know, the 800 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: first Pride parade in the United States, and apparently the 801 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: the time that was scheduled, Like, the parade finished in 802 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: about half the time they had allotted for it because 803 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: everybody was moving so quickly because they were so excited 804 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,479 Speaker 1: and so nervous about what was gonna happen. But yeah, 805 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: it turned out to be the first gay Pride parade. 806 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: The guy called it, they called it a run. Yeah, 807 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: it was pretty funny. Yeah, but it's pretty amazing that 808 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: as it went it just attracted support, Like that's a 809 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,280 Speaker 1: heck of a parade. When the bystanders get sucked into 810 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: the parade, that's a good parade right there. Yeah. So 811 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: out of this grew the activists Alliance the Gay Liberation 812 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,920 Speaker 1: Front UM ed pointed out an irony that it really 813 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: never occurred to me. But one of the reasons it's 814 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: considered sort of the birth of the modern gay rights movement, 815 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: he said, is because it was not the start of 816 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: the gay rights movement. And like we said earlier, there 817 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: was that foundation was already there. Uh, this was just 818 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: sort of the catalyst. They weren't starting from scratch. They 819 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,520 Speaker 1: had these groups that were together and they were kind 820 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: of just I think waiting for this, for something to 821 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: happen to really bring them attention. And UM. Even though 822 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,120 Speaker 1: there were some uprisings in sixty five and sixty six 823 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: and sixty seven in San Francisco and l A, they 824 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: weren't UM although the New York Times didn't cover this 825 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: like they should have either, But those weren't covered by 826 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: major newspapers at all, just underground newspapers, so they never 827 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: really uh kind of got the the coverage, and they 828 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: weren't as noteworthy a stone Wall ended up being. I 829 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: was reading about that to the UM Compton caffee Compton's 830 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: Cafeteria riot in San Francisco, and I think nineteen seven 831 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: UM was a pretty big riot actually, and it was 832 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:15,520 Speaker 1: a transgender UM riot where transgender women who were UM 833 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: working the tender Loin as sex workers because it couldn't 834 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: get work anywhere else. Um, they were just sick of 835 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: being brutalized by cops. And one of them was being 836 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: arrested for being transgender, and she threw her a cup 837 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: of coffee in the CoP's face, and the whole riot, 838 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: just the whole the place just rioted. Like it was. 839 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,959 Speaker 1: It was just an explosion of violence in the face 840 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: of brutality. And none of the papers mentioned it didn't 841 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: even get mentioned. Like the mainstream media would not touch 842 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: anything that gay people were doing, including rioting in the 843 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 1: streets of San Francisco. Um, just they just wouldn't talk 844 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: about it. Well. And yeah, like I said, the Times, 845 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,279 Speaker 1: while they did cover it, it was it wasn't a 846 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: backpagees thing, but it definitely didn't at the attention that 847 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,640 Speaker 1: any other kind of like you know, violence against police 848 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: would have gotten at the time. But um, the LGBTQ 849 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: community didn't. They just didn't stop. Basically, they said, you know, 850 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: we're going to turn these into groups and marches and 851 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,279 Speaker 1: rallies and parades and protests. And that was really the 852 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: significance and and the legacy that Stonewall had today is it. 853 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: It really just was sort of a uh parton the pun, 854 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 1: kind of a coming out party for the entire movement. 855 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it was a debut tant fall for 856 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 1: the gay community. It was. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Um. 857 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,920 Speaker 1: I think that was the key was organizing, like taking 858 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: that momentum and organizing it, turning it into something big. Yeah. 859 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: I think that's probably the key with anything like that. Yeah. 860 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,800 Speaker 1: And I think it also, um, I think it brought 861 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: together that community in a way that it hadn't before. Um. 862 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: It seems like they always sort of supported one another, 863 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: but they're are in word or we're in our divisions 864 00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: of you know, kind of straight acting masculine gay men 865 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: and lesbians and the trans community. But this seemed to 866 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,840 Speaker 1: bring everyone together of all races and um, just apparently 867 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: the the entire riot and and uh protest scene was 868 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:28,760 Speaker 1: just incredibly diverse. You know. Don't watch the movies. Yeah, 869 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: so very bad. Yeah, one of the heroes in one 870 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: turns straight and marries a policewoman in the end. I mean, 871 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: the documentaries are good, but there's been two movies two 872 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, the one and two thousand fifteen was just 873 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:48,759 Speaker 1: an abomination. Basically. Yeah, documentaries are rarely bad, almost never bad. Yeah, 874 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,680 Speaker 1: the it's the the movies. Movies, they're not that great sometimes. Yeah, 875 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: the one in Roland Emmerick made this movie and what's 876 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,200 Speaker 1: that name? Familiar? I know that name? He did Independence 877 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: Day in Godzilla. Okay, Like, I have no idea what 878 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: he was doing with this thing. Maybe he I don't know, 879 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: Maybe he's gay, Maybe his heart was in the right place. 880 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: I have no idea. Like, I don't know anything about 881 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,360 Speaker 1: the guy. But all I know is he was roundly 882 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: criticized for whitewashing, uh what happened and fiction and he 883 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,920 Speaker 1: said it was fictionalized, But like, why fictionalize it? Why 884 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: just cast a bunch of handsome white dudes when you 885 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,359 Speaker 1: can tell the real story, you know? Right? Yeah, and 886 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: and and it's like you you said you already kind 887 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: of touched upon. But I think it bears repeating. Like 888 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion about who did what and 889 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: who played what role in in the Stone Wall Uprising, 890 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: and I think the transgender community in particular feels like 891 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,359 Speaker 1: yet again they're being put in the in the back 892 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: seat behind masculine, white gay males um when when in fact, 893 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: they may not have played a bigger role or may 894 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: have played an equally significant role to tran the trans 895 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: gender community that was there at Stonewall Um. But historically speaking, 896 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: the transgender community or sub community or subculture of the 897 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: gay community has has usually taken a back seat to 898 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,719 Speaker 1: the what I guess what you would just call that, 899 00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:22,600 Speaker 1: that white masculine male community. And and I can understand 900 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,080 Speaker 1: being upset about that if if you know, if you're transgender. 901 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: Uh so in twenty six uh and I guess I 902 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: was there right after this um because it was already 903 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: a monument, the Stonewall in and the cute, little tiny 904 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: Christopher Park right there next door out front was designated 905 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 1: a national monument by President Obama, the very first such 906 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,000 Speaker 1: dedicated to gay rights. And the Pride March still ends 907 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: on Christopher Street every year. And I say, go and 908 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: have a drink there. It's a truly historic place, and 909 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,720 Speaker 1: it's a landmark. And I would guess now they've cleaned 910 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: it up enough so you won't catch anything from the 911 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,959 Speaker 1: house beer. Yeah, it's not. They don't have buckets of beer. 912 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 1: We have buckets of beer, but it's coronas in a 913 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 1: bucket of ice. Yeah, find your find your beach is 914 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,240 Speaker 1: with the stone Wall. You got anything else? Nope? Man, 915 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: go watch the Stonewall Uprising American Experience documentary everybody, especially 916 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: the part of the footage of that first Pride parade 917 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 1: when it ends in the park. It'll just do your 918 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,560 Speaker 1: heart good. Uh. 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